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Title: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: gammarayburst on March 31, 2015, 01:07:31 PM
See attached,
Thanks, Butch LaFonte
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: profitis on March 31, 2015, 03:16:54 PM
You've tried this mr lafonte?
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: gammarayburst on March 31, 2015, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: profitis on March 31, 2015, 03:16:54 PM
You've tried this mr lafonte?
Just a theory now, but I plan on testing a one inch model. It will have to be put in liquid nitrogen for the super conduction to fire it off.
The secret to hot fusion is keeping it confined so the temperature and pressure can continue to increase and allow the fusion process to self sustain and consume the entire fuel.

Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: LibreEnergia on March 31, 2015, 05:21:10 PM
Quote from: gammarayburst on March 31, 2015, 04:24:41 PM
Just a theory now, but I plan on testing a one inch model. It will have to be put in liquid nitrogen for the super conduction to fire it off.
The secret to hot fusion is keeping it confined so the temperature and pressure can continue to increase and allow the fusion process to self sustain and consume the entire fuel.

Hmm, good luck on finding a source of tritium and an confinement mechanism that would provide the temperatures and pressures required to initiate fusion. A steel sphere is no where near sufficient for that.

I'd advise you not to try this at home, unless you want to blow yourself up and irradiate the neighbourhood.

It is April 1st I guess. I'd hope you're joking.
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: gammarayburst on March 31, 2015, 08:07:20 PM
Quote from: LibreEnergia on March 31, 2015, 05:21:10 PM
Hmm, good luck on finding a source of tritium and an confinement mechanism that would provide the temperatures and pressures required to initiate fusion. A steel sphere is no where near sufficient for that.

I'd advise you not to try this at home, unless you want to blow yourself up and irradiate the neighbourhood.

It is April 1st I guess. I'd hope you're joking.
The fuel is deuterium.
If the fuel was the size of a small marble and the sphere was one foot in diameter I think it would hold it long enough for all the fuel to burn.
No, it's not an April fools joke. I plan on building a 1 inch diameter sphere for testing.
Butch
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: LibreEnergia on March 31, 2015, 09:08:08 PM
Quote from: gammarayburst on March 31, 2015, 08:07:20 PM
The fuel is (deuterium oxide (2. H 2O ) or D 2O) [/font][/size]
If the fuel was the size of a small marble and the sphere was one foot in diameter I think it would hold it long enough for all the fuel to burn. [/font][/size]
No, it's not an April fools joke. I plan on building a 1 inch diameter sphere for testing.[/font][/size]
Butch[/font][/size]

One of the reasons fusion has proven so elusive is that there are NO materials that can withstand the temperatures and pressures required to contain a plasma at the energies required.

That's why they use magnetic (such as ITER) or inertial confinement (such as NIF).

You're just dreaming if you think any amount of steel can do the job.
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: gammarayburst on March 31, 2015, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: LibreEnergia on March 31, 2015, 09:08:08 PM
One of the reasons fusion has proven so elusive is that there are NO materials that can withstand the temperatures and pressures required to contain a plasma at the energies required.

That's why they use magnetic (such as ITER) or inertial confinement (such as NIF).

You're just dreaming if you think any amount of steel can do the job.
That's the point of it! The very small amount of fuel, half an ounce and a one foot diameter sphere will self destruct but in the time it takes a portion of the fuel will have burned.
Butch
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 31, 2015, 10:15:47 PM
Where are you going to get, or how are you going to make the heavy water?

Bill
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: gammarayburst on March 31, 2015, 10:29:18 PM
Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 31, 2015, 10:15:47 PM
Where are you going to get, or how are you going to make the heavy water?

Bill
Special note > Inertial electrostatic confinement[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nuclear_fusion&action=edit&section=6)]
Main article: Inertial electrostatic confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_electrostatic_confinement)Inertial electrostatic confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_electrostatic_confinement) is a set of devices that use an electric field to heat ions to fusion conditions. The most well known is the fusor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor). Starting in 1999, a number of amateurs have been able to do amateur fusion using these homemade devices.
Bill, if an eight grader can get it, I can.
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: LibreEnergia on March 31, 2015, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: gammarayburst on March 31, 2015, 10:10:19 PM
That's the point of it! The very small amount of fuel, half an ounce and a one foot diameter sphere will self destruct but in the time it takes a portion of the fuel will have burned.
Butch

For fusion to be useful the amount of energy released needs to be more than the energy input. No physical containment, and certainly one made of any amount of steel will allow that to occur. The temperatures are simply too hot. The containment is destroyed  causing the fuel to stop fusing before energy break even is reached.

I'd hope you'd realise the amount of energy released in destroying a one foot steel sphere might exclude it from being the sort of experiment you'd want to try at home...
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: LibreEnergia on March 31, 2015, 11:04:49 PM
Quote from: gammarayburst on March 31, 2015, 10:29:18 PM
Special note > Inertial electrostatic confinement[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nuclear_fusion&action=edit&section=6)]
Main article: Inertial electrostatic confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_electrostatic_confinement)Inertial electrostatic confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_electrostatic_confinement) is a set of devices that use an electric field to heat ions to fusion conditions. The most well known is the fusor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor). Starting in 1999, a number of amateurs have been able to do amateur fusion using these homemade devices.
Bill, if an eight grader can get it, I can.

No fusor has come anywhere near breakeven energy.
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 31, 2015, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: gammarayburst on March 31, 2015, 10:29:18 PM
Special note > Inertial electrostatic confinement[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nuclear_fusion&action=edit&section=6)]
Main article: Inertial electrostatic confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_electrostatic_confinement)Inertial electrostatic confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_electrostatic_confinement) is a set of devices that use an electric field to heat ions to fusion conditions. The most well known is the fusor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor). Starting in 1999, a number of amateurs have been able to do amateur fusion using these homemade devices.
Bill, if an eight grader can get it, I can.

Having machined parts for the Tokamak, (Princeton's Plasma Physics Labs) I do not think 8th graders can do this.  Even this multimillion dollar project did not produce O.U.  I wish you luck but, containment will be a huge problem for you.

Bill
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: franco malgarini on April 01, 2015, 03:54:24 AM
http://www.reinventore.it/shop/it/acqua-pesante-d2o.html







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Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: gammarayburst on April 01, 2015, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: franco malgarini on April 01, 2015, 03:54:24 AM
http://www.reinventore.it/shop/it/acqua-pesante-d2o.html (http://www.reinventore.it/shop/it/acqua-pesante-d2o.html)







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Thank you!
Butch
Title: Re: Hot Fusion At Home?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 01, 2015, 10:35:33 PM
Quote from: franco malgarini on April 01, 2015, 03:54:24 AM
http://www.reinventore.it/shop/it/acqua-pesante-d2o.html (http://www.reinventore.it/shop/it/acqua-pesante-d2o.html)

25 grams?  He would need gallons.

Bill





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