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This one claims a lot of energy from a single plant, so its proberbly lost in translation.
If its possible its a great breakthrough but most likely a bust given past research in this field requiring over 100 square meters to get the same power output.
Good to see young people thinking out of the box
I see in the vido they are just plugging into the soil nearby the plant I am sure "Pirate" will have a lot to say about this.
http://revolution-green.com/new-e-kaia-technology-harvests-excess-energy-from-plants/
Kind Regards
Mark
Sounds like another "electrolytic in disguise" invention.
There is a more interesting development involving trees as some sort of aerial. I was going to chop down a nuisance tree in the garden and am having second thoughts.
All plants contain fuels known as fructose/galactose/mannitol/starch etc
Quote from: markdansie on May 12, 2015, 09:42:29 AM
Charge your phone from your pot plant?[/font][/size]
This one claims a lot of energy from a single plant, so its proberbly lost in translation.
If its possible its a great breakthrough but most likely a bust given past research in this field requiring over 100 square meters to get the same power output.
Good to see young people thinking out of the box
I see in the vido they are just plugging into the soil nearby the plant I am sure "Pirate" will have a lot to say about this.
http://revolution-green.com/new-e-kaia-technology-harvests-excess-energy-from-plants/ (http://revolution-green.com/new-e-kaia-technology-harvests-excess-energy-from-plants/)
Kind Regards
Mark
Finally, a Power Plant.
Sorry, I could not help myself. But seriously, those electrodes in that device (whatever it is) are not very big and not far apart so, if they can charge a cell phone from it, they are doing better than my large earth battery which uses a huge carbon rod and a 5 pound block of magnesium spaced 20 ft. apart. The best they could do using galvanic action alone would be about 1.7 volts at very low mA's. I did note that the soil in most of the pots they were using looked pretty dry, which is the same soil conditions I get my best results with the E.B.
Maybe a decent sized supercap in that device, and a JT type circuit and what they don't tell us is that it has been charging up all night in the dirt and then, you stick it in a pot and it charges your phone. My guess is that it would still charge that phone while sitting on the table in the open...but...i have no idea really.
Hopefully, we will find out more about this. I can not see how those small plants do anything in the process as I can only get about 1 volt from a large tree. (With very, very low mA's)
Bill
Quote from: Paul-R on May 12, 2015, 09:54:36 AM
Sounds like another "electrolytic in disguise" invention.
There is a more interesting development involving trees as some sort of aerial. I was going to chop down a nuisance tree in the garden and am having second thoughts.
Paul:
Check your tree using a dmm set on dc volts. Stab one probe into the tree and the other into the soil near the tree. All of the trees here I have tried have a negative voltage of about 1 volt. In other words, to get a positive reading on the DMM, I have to place the minus probe into the tree and the plus probe into the ground. The ground is positive in this case and it really astounds me. I have been trying for about 4 years now to get someone else to try this to see if all trees are negative, or just over here in my area.
Please try this and report you findings.
Thanks,
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 13, 2015, 01:16:28 AM
Paul:
Check your tree using a dmm set on dc volts. Stab one probe into the tree and the other into the soil near the tree. All of the trees here I have tried have a negative voltage of about 1 volt. In other words, to get a positive reading on the DMM, I have to place the minus probe into the tree and the plus probe into the ground. The ground is positive in this case and it really astounds me. I have been trying for about 4 years now to get someone else to try this to see if all trees are negative, or just over here in my area.
Please try this and report you findings.
Thanks,
Bill
Bill
It just so happens i was doing this very test a couple of weeks ago-->see video below.
With a S/S pipe in the ground,and a S/S screw in the tree,i also get 1-1.2 volts-positive earth as well. The voltage go's up when the wind blow's,and comes down when there is no wind. Also,check your voltages during mid day(good sun),and when dark at night.
I think the trees sleep as well lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X0ME8eygwg
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 13, 2015, 01:16:28 AM
Paul:
Check your tree using a dmm set on dc volts. Stab one probe into the tree and the other into the soil near the tree. All of the trees here I have tried have a negative voltage of about 1 volt. In other words, to get a positive reading on the DMM, I have to place the minus probe into the tree and the plus probe into the ground. The ground is positive in this case and it really astounds me. I have been trying for about 4 years now to get someone else to try this to see if all trees are negative, or just over here in my area.
Please try this and report you findings.
Thanks,
Bill
Should I try and get the probe into the tree as high as possible?(It's a matter of whether I should try and borrow a ladder on my way home)
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 13, 2015, 01:16:28 AM
Paul:
Check your tree using a dmm set on dc volts. Stab one probe into the tree and the other into the soil near the tree. All of the trees here I have tried have a negative voltage of about 1 volt. In other words, to get a positive reading on the DMM, I have to place the minus probe into the tree and the plus probe into the ground. The ground is positive in this case and it really astounds me. I have been trying for about 4 years now to get someone else to try this to see if all trees are negative, or just over here in my area.
Please try this and report you findings.
Thanks,
Bill
Hi Bill,
I knocked three nails into the tree. At 4 foot a stout 4", A, and a clean new 1" panel pin, B. At about 8 foot, a another panel pin, C.
Also a ground, aluminium rod, about 18", hammered 12 " into the ground.
The voltage between:
the ground and A was + 0.4 v
the ground and B was + 0.8 v
B and C was + 0.8 v
I thought there was electrolytic stuff going on until I hammered that second panel pin, C, in at 8 foot. The $64,000 question must be: What happens when we try to draw a current?
''What happens when we try to draw a current?''
Oxidation baby pure oxidation.you might aswell shove both metals inna saltwater its the same fucking thing.this whole plant thing is preposterous
Quote from: profitis on May 13, 2015, 04:02:07 PM
''What happens when we try to draw a current?''
Oxidation baby pure oxidation.you might aswell shove both metals inna saltwater its the same fucking thing.this whole plant thing is preposterous
It's a theory. You seem very committed to it. It is the type of single minded commitment which rules out any possibility of inspirational discovery. (There has just been a documentary on BBC4 about 20th Cent scientists, including a big chunk on Jocelyn Bell Nurnell and Richard Feynman).
Maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong.
Brad:
Thank you for the reply. This is interesting and the first time I have feedback on tests I did 8 years ago or so. I was thinking that maybe it was reverse down under, ha ha. So, you too have negative trees and a positive earth. There is probably a great explanation for this but, I have never heard of any. Interesting also how you noticed changes due to wind and sun conditions. I never tested for that...never thought of it.
Thank you.
Paul:
Yes, part of my later testing involved making an array out of galvanized nails in the tree (tapped in and not deep) and just testing the voltage potential to ground. Volts were not higher but I did see a slight increase in power.
Now, as long as you are doing this, could you just stab your meter probes into your tree and the earth (no electrodes needed) and see if you too have a positive ground and a negative tree? Long ago, I was sort of thinking that maybe some trees were + and some were -. Maybe all of them are minus?
As far as going up higher in the tree to see if it helps/hurts, I have never tried that. Sadly, my apartment complex decided to remove my tree last year so...I would have to venture out somewhere else to make any more tests.
Bill
Quote Paul-R'It's a theory. You seem very committed to it. It is the
type of single minded commitment which rules out
any possibility of inspirational discovery.'
Lol aww cumon pauli you've got 20 tons of actively pumping ions in that tree plus a very distinct ph difference between the soil and the tree's blood.you've got like 20 naturaly galvanic variables to rule out before you even come to vandergraaf grounding as an explanation.but ok maybe a tree is a convenient cell-fone charger I mean there's plenty around to stab.sometimes the simplest explanation is the one to look at in science I think fennyman would agree with me here.
Quote from: profitis on May 14, 2015, 04:43:07 AM
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plus a very distinct ph difference between the soil and the tree's blood
That's why I first reckoned it was galvanic.
But there was a 0.8v pd between two identical nails hammered into the tree three foot apart. Exactly the same voltage difference.
Someone somewhere reckoned that trees could be an aerial for Tesla's 685,957. I shall do Bill's work and then connect a cap between the tree connection and the ground and run it like a 685,957 apparatus.
Quote from: profitis on May 13, 2015, 04:02:07 PM
''What happens when we try to draw a current?''
Oxidation baby pure oxidation.you might aswell shove both metals inna saltwater its the same fucking thing.this whole plant thing is preposterous
And yet i used a 316 grade S/S screw into the tree,and a 316 grade S/S tube into the ground,and could measure 1.2 volt's,which also had enough current to drive my oscillator. can you show us two S/S probes getting 1.2 volts from a tub of salt water?.
Well here's a voltage frm two pieces iron at diff ph you guys so I can do same trick without trees.if I were to shove fructose in the anode compartment I'd probaby raise voltage still further.
Pauli'But there was a 0.8v pd between two identical nails hammered into the tree three foot apart. Exactly the same voltage difference.'
Interesting.3 foot is a long distance apart though and could be attributed to the aged difference in chemicals down below vs ontop.possibly a ph or enzymatic sugar breakdown differential but I won't rule out vandergraaf statics ontop of that. would love to know what kind of currents you're getting?
Bill:
If the earth rod is good, the results are as before. But if the earthing is poor, i.e. probe stuck into ground, then the voltage reverses and is a bit less in value. Most odd.
prof:
Using an Avometer (continuing thanks to Brian from the UK Free Energy conference in '08), there was indicated 0.02amp from a good earth to the tree, the tree being positive.
I'll do a bit more this weekend and check with the dmm to see if it is the same. (Bill said to use a dmm).
Ahh yes thanks pauli.I expected roundabout that currents for same-metal electrodes.I wonder what electrode material these kaias were using though to kick it up? I know for a fact that aluminum/steel couples will kick ass..
Quote from: Paul-R on May 16, 2015, 10:56:22 AM
Bill:
If the earth rod is good, the results are as before. But if the earthing is poor, i.e. probe stuck into ground, then the voltage reverses and is a bit less in value. Most odd.
prof:
Using an Avometer (continuing thanks to Brian from the UK Free Energy conference in '08), there was indicated 0.02amp from a good earth to the tree, the tree being positive.
I'll do a bit more this weekend and check with the dmm to see if it is the same. (Bill said to use a dmm).
Thanks Paul. You, of course, do not have to use a DMM, I just found it easier to see the minus of the tree without bending the needle on one of my analog meters from having it try to go backwards. If my tree were still here, I could check the tree vs my carbon rod as a ground and also my magnesium block as a ground to see what happens....but...no tree. (sigh)
A long time ago, back in the Stubblefield topic, someone posted a youtube video of a company making cell phone chargers that worked by
tapping into any tree. None of us could see where they would have been getting the power to do this and, I have not heard anything about them since.
Bill
I know DMMs shouldn't be used with cold electricity. I'll try both. It is the voltage reversal that intrigues me. I wonder if there are two effects, and at some point, one increases in strength and dominates the other. It would seem connected with the resistance in the earth connection.
What happened is strange.
I connected the + pole of the Avo to the 1" panel pin in the tree and the other to a domestic SS table knife.
I stroked the earth with the knife and noticed that the needle dropped BELOW zero. I very gently applied a couple of ounces of force on it and the needle increased further below (but not hitting the Avo's stop).
Then I plunged the knife 6 " into the earth and noticed the needle move from its -ve position, through zero up to +0.8V
I repeated this process a couple more times with the same results.
What is going on?
Your going from vandergraaf into galvanic pauli
Quote from: profitis on May 18, 2015, 03:37:22 PM
Your going from vandergraaf into galvanic pauli
I can see the galvanic connection. By Van der graaf, you mean creating an electrostatic charge by wiping a silk cloth like object on an insulator, as in the famous generator. This doesn't make much sense to me. The earth was damp, the knife a highly conductive item.
Well the tree is covered with billions of hairs and the leaves do move a lot in the wind so I imagine some chargeup of sorts happenin ther pauli.one must also take into account ph and salt concentration differences with depth in soil.this whole issue boils down to one thing really: current.the question we ought to ask ourselves is is the amps consistent with corrosion currents or with statics or both.if the amps are in the +200 milliamp range for two of the same electrodes and constant then I'd chek if there's a difference on a windy day vs a calm day
I think you have zinc nail and youre just making a battery paul
Quote from: jonfrommanahawkin1 on May 20, 2015, 06:46:52 PM
I think you have zinc nail and youre just making a battery paul
No, we've been through that; see above. I'm waiting for a windy day.