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I've seen bismuth do some weird shit in my lab.milliampmeter suddenly ticking its arm like a geiger-counter ticks the speaker

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J have ideated only a simple reactor for this:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-lead-can-be-turned-into-gold/

What is the principle of the operation?

the transmutation of lead and bismuth in gold by means of an electromagnetic field and light radiation...

http://italian.alibaba.com/product-gs/customizable-electric-heating-tin-bismuth-solder-wire-sn42bi58-60143760042.html

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I have two questions:

1- What is the color in the light spectrum of the output gold?

2- What are the element ingredients in "real" gold?

Lets say your machine makes gold (theoretically) would it have the same principals as real gold a.k.a. 14 or 24 karat? Or will it just have the color gold in the light spectrum?

Either way, it would seem fake (artificial) 'cause that is not how gold is normally made?

Bismuth has a lowish 'profitis point',it can be transmute in a number of ways

QuoteBismuth has a lowish 'profitis point',it can be transmute in a number of ways

I took a look at bismuth pictures and they all look about the same...the rainbow in colors in the crystals. Lots of yellow though. I also saw how bismuth can "levitate" a magnet too. Bismuth is a real phenomena piece of matter to be honest. But I don't see how it can turn to gold at all, maybe just rearrange the molecules to look all gold color only?

The same can be said about liquid mercury? Looks silver in color? Or white gold color? But it does have some strange properties. I see them both as "dark matter"...mostly I see liquid mercury closer to dark matter than bismuth since liquid mercury, although a liquid, can hold up mass than any other liquid? (dense liquid) The dark matter in outer space is some type of dense "liquid/air" that is the layer of space time. That holds up galaxies floating in the space (floating on liquid mercury type?). Bismuth could be said is part of outer space electric universe too. It just depends how you look at things...I think it's called "frames of reference"

part 1 https://youtu.be/Y75kEf8xLxI

part 2 https://youtu.be/dAoGpflOmdw

part 3 https://youtu.be/3ug23VTMies

part 4 https://youtu.be/GzvGfOgf7Y4

In my own personal opinion, it would be more efficient and profitable to dig up gold from the ground than to make it. Turning bismuth to gold sounds to good to be true...if that is the case, turn gold to bismuth?

Quote from: joel321 on October 03, 2015, 12:41:31 AM
I took a look at bismuth pictures and they all look about the same...the rainbow in colors in the crystals. Lots of yellow though. I also saw how bismuth can "levitate" a magnet too. Bismuth is a real phenomena piece of matter to be honest. But I don't see how it can turn to gold at all, maybe just rearrange the molecules to look all gold color only?

The same can be said about liquid mercury? Looks silver in color? Or white gold color? But it does have some strange properties. I see them both as "dark matter"...mostly I see liquid mercury closer to dark matter than bismuth since liquid mercury, although a liquid, can hold up mass than any other liquid? (dense liquid) The dark matter in outer space is some type of dense "liquid/air" that is the layer of space time. That holds up galaxies floating in the space (floating on liquid mercury type?). Bismuth could be said is part of outer space electric universe too. It just depends how you look at things...I think it's called "frames of reference"

part 1 https://youtu.be/Y75kEf8xLxI (https://youtu.be/Y75kEf8xLxI)

part 2 https://youtu.be/dAoGpflOmdw (https://youtu.be/dAoGpflOmdw)

part 3 https://youtu.be/3ug23VTMies (https://youtu.be/3ug23VTMies)

part 4 https://youtu.be/GzvGfOgf7Y4 (https://youtu.be/GzvGfOgf7Y4)

In my own personal opinion, it would be more efficient and profitable to dig up gold from the ground than to make it. Turning bismuth to gold sounds to good to be true...if that is the case, turn gold to bismuth?

Try using JB Weld.  It can do this.

Bill

Quote from: joel321 on October 02, 2015, 01:46:56 AM
I have two questions:

1- What is the color in the light spectrum of the output gold?

2- What are the element ingredients in "real" gold?

Lets say your machine makes gold (theoretically) would it have the same principals as real gold a.k.a. 14 or 24 karat? Or will it just have the color gold in the light spectrum?

Either way, it would seem fake (artificial) 'cause that is not how gold is normally made?

bismuth and gold are elements.

QuoteTry using JB Weld.  It can do this.

lol You need to get paid for advertising JB weld. Let me set a challenge for you bill.

Lets 'weld' two pieces of plastic the same, ok. You use JB weld and I use other methods. Are you up for the challenge? The same plastic that is broken, you JB weld two pieces and I 'glue' them together by my own method and see which holds better?

Do you want to take the challenge?

Quote from: joel321 on October 03, 2015, 01:47:43 AM
lol You need to get paid for advertising JB weld. Let me set a challenge for you bill.

Lets 'weld' two pieces of plastic the same, ok. You use JB weld and I use other methods. Are you up for the challenge? The same plastic that is broken, you JB weld two pieces and I 'glue' them together by my own method and see which holds better?

Do you want to take the challenge?

Do you not remember?  I have already accepted this challenge from you and...I have already won. 

So, are you requesting a rematch then?

Bill

PS  I get paid $1,000 every time I mention JB Weld.  See?  I just made more money.

QuoteDo you not remember?  I have already accepted this challenge from you and...I have already won. 

So, are you requesting a rematch then?

I don't remember me showing proof of my welding two plastics together that hold better than JB weld. I do remember we discussing how JB weld "WORKS" under water...I have seen that in the TV show "bering sea gold" where they mix up the two compound and then dive under water to patch the small hole in the boat = smudge it all over and call it a 100% fix. Lol

At any rate, yes, I want a rematch! Lets see you win welding two broken pieces of plastic with JB weld VS me fixing them with no JB weld at all? How much are we betting here, 3 dollars? ::)

Don't think for a minute that I have forgotten how you JB welded fan on a poor ladies washing machine motor...or was it a dishwasher? lol

Quote from: joel321 on October 03, 2015, 02:16:18 AM
I don't remember me showing proof of my welding two plastics together that hold better than JB weld. I do remember we discussing how JB weld "WORKS" under water...I have seen that in the TV show "bering sea gold" where they mix up the two compound and then dive under water to patch the small hole in the boat = smudge it all over and call it a 100% fix. Lol

At any rate, yes, I want a rematch! Lets see you win welding two broken pieces of plastic with JB weld VS me fixing them with no JB weld at all? How much are we betting here, 3 dollars? ::)

Don't think for a minute that I have forgotten how you JB welded fan on a poor ladies washing machine motor...or was it a dishwasher? lol

It was a dishwasher and...the repair guy wanted to install a new motor/fan assembly for $200 and I fixed it for her for like $2.  That was 4 years ago and...she told me it is still working great.

I was just kidding...I do not get any money from JB Weld for mentioning their product.  I actually use many different types of epoxy in my repairs.
My heat pump is still pumping and...my car radiator is still fine after 1 year.  Not as good as a new radiator...sure...but...that would have cost me $250.  I fixed it for like $2.

Bill

The key to good repairs with epoxy is _surface preparation_. And of course using the right epoxy for the job. The reason that an epoxy (JB Weld) repair can be stronger than the original unbroken piece or plastic-welding is that you can build up a "fillet" of epoxy that spreads the stress over a larger area than the original crack or break. Of course this is adding material and changing the size/shape of the original part somewhat, but often this is not as important as fixing the part in the first place.

Many automobile radiators these days have plastic top and bottom tanks with only the channels/fins made of metal. The bond between the metal and plastic is made with epoxy of some kind or another. I went through a couple of these over the years on my old Chevy before I found a replacement that was good metal all the way through, with soldered seams. A couple of years ago the engine was overheating from sludge buildup so I took the radiator to a local radiator shop--- they unsoldered the top and bottom tanks so that the whole thing could be boiled out in some kind of fancy tank full of acid or something, then they reassembled it... but they put the top tank on backwards! So they had to take it apart again and put it together right. I lolled at that for sure.... it still cost about half of what a new replacement radiator would have cost. Now my old Chevy runs cool again.

QuoteIt was a dishwasher and...the repair guy wanted to install a new motor/fan assembly for $200 and I fixed it for her for like $2.  That was 4 years ago and...she told me it is still working great.

I understand bill. I hate how LCD TV's get thrown out just because two ten cents capacitors went bad in the power supply board. I have revived like 30 LCD monitors due to bad capacitors in the power supply board. I have saved about 5 vacuum cleaners that have been thrown out because the hose got clogged. As a matter of fact, I just "fixed" a "eureka! Whirlwind" vacuum cleaner just two days ago. If I had the room, I would have a bunch of LCD monitors and vacuum cleaners to fix. REPAIRED WITH NO JB WELD lol. Oh! Even washing machines and dishwashers, they all work on the same principal.

QuoteI was just kidding...I do not get any money from JB Weld for mentioning their product.

This is obvious to me bill, lol.....don't you have two jobs and a 4GHz overclocked computer too?

QuoteI actually use many different types of epoxy in my repairs.
My heat pump is still pumping and...my car radiator is still fine after 1 year.  Not as good as a new radiator...sure...but...that would have cost me $250.  I fixed it for like $2.

Yes, I agree with you. I have done many repairs myself but not just with JB weld. In the electronic side of things, use a soldering iron and solder. Have you even replaced a SMD component? HECK! My insurance company estimated a car crash from a teenager to be over $3000US when I repaired it with $300US...a guy was charging my neighbor $2000US to fix their AC when I fixed it for free...things are more complicated than JB weld dude. Lol

If you cannot tell me how an AC system works, I find it hard for you to understand how Bismuth could potentially turn in to gold...your JB weld stuff is just funny stuff lol. That pride of fixing a dishwasher is all the pride you have bro? How about the stories in your younger years? When you made a change in someones mentality or made someone make money? I am still waiting for you to write a paper/book from when you where 5 years old to the age you are right now...will you do that? I want to hear the story of pirate besides this bullshyt of JB weld.

QuoteThe bond between the metal and plastic is made with epoxy of some kind or another. I went through a couple of these over the years on my old Chevy before I found a replacement that was good metal all the way through

Metal all the way through you say? :P but but but, what about JB welding? If everything is metal then to weld the metal we need to use tig welding or arc.... no JB weld needed :(

Sorry OP, I'm still thinking that you turning bismuth to gold is far-fetched just as you cannot turn GOLD TO BISMUTH? 

"But I don't see how it
can turn to gold at all, maybe just rearrange the
molecules to look all gold color only?
The same can be said about liquid mercury? Looks
silver in color? Or white gold color? But it does have
some strange properties. I see them both as "dark
matter"


Its funny that you should mention "dark matter" because this is how lenr works.if you shove all the elements into a black hole each one of those elements will have particular disintergration or intergration points where they either breaks down into more stable elements or re-arrange into more stable elements.I was the first guy ever to give these breakdown/assembly points a name,the 'profitis points'.bismuth is a heavy,unstable nucleus and will be rather sensitive to these  black holes.  I've seen talk about guys dissolving mercury in nitric acid and shoving it into the sunshine infront a magnify-glass(your laser) and getting gold.there's also talk of gold from tungsten but the efficiencies/costs of these lenr conversions are all uncertain.

We can also produce platinum wires from that reactor

I'm keen to do experiments with the mercury acetate/nitric acid formula just to see if I can detect any gold.all those gaseous products (NO2/N2O/H2) of reaction are in the NASCENT(hyper-active) states.

QuoteIts funny that you should mention "dark matter" because this is how lenr works.if you shove all the elements into a black hole each one of those elements will have particular disintergration or intergration points where they either breaks down into more stable elements or re-arrange into more stable elements.

I don't care about the blah blah blah....I just care for someone to explain the "dark matter" once and for all!. If you can't then you have NOT figured out the UNIVERSE so STOP pretending like you do or you should get bullied!

QuoteI was the first guy ever to give these breakdown/assembly points a name,the 'profitis points'.bismuth is a heavy,unstable nucleus and will be rather sensitive to these  black holes.

A guy that told me to suck his dick on the internet is "intelligent" enough. Actually, you don't define "dark matter" at all. Let alone "gravity" NOR "point of reference". I honestly feel like you are trying to explain an answer but I just can't see the solution in your mouth?

QuoteI've seen talk about guys dissolving mercury in nitric acid and shoving it into the sunshine in front a magnify-glass(your laser) and getting gold.there's also talk of gold from tungsten but the efficiencies/costs of these lenr conversions are all uncertain.

If you had one million worth of gold bars, you would not be wasting your time thinking how bismuth can be turned to gold. The manipulation of gold is great with you!!!

-How do you make fire with gold?

-How do you eat gold?

-How does gold make babies?

-How does gold becomes a judge of justice?

-How does gold tell you how to live a human life?

-HMMM gold = money only?

Profitis, you do not intimidate me at all bro.

spiral reactor

"I don't care about the blah blah blah....I just care for someone to explain the "dark matter" once and for all!."

This guy explains it all http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Dark%20Energy%20or%20Dark%20Matter.doc (Copy this and paste into google)


"A guy that told me to suck his dick on the internet is "intelligent" enough. Actually, you don't define "dark matter" at all. Let alone "gravity" NOR "point of reference". I honestly feel like you are trying to explain an answer but I just can't see the solution in your mouth?"

Negentropy



"If you had one million worth of gold bars, you would not be wasting your time thinking how bismuth can be turned to gold."

Mm You sure about this?

"Profitis, you do not intimidate me at all bro."

Oh yes I do

QuoteThis guy explains it all

I read the paper and, although I did not understand most of it, it shows how there is a COP>+ and also makes me wonder about the "vacuum" as if the vacuum is the ULTIMATE truth of the universe...what? The universe is a vacuum? A vacuum inside the earth is the same as a "vacuum" in outer space?

I also took from the paper that the universe is ELECTRIC and flesh just like our brains/thoughts. Our brain is gray gooey matter but the electricity makes the neurons talk to each other. So we have fresh and electricity combine to make thoughts. Then we have philosophers (everyone else really) how the flesh and electricity make consciousness? I have thought about this myself and I STRONGLY believe that electricity may have "consciousness" and not just a "dumb" particle/photon bouncing around. This leads me to believe that photons may have a "brain" a purpose!. But I am getting ahead of myself....the "dark" matter solution cannot be explained from the "inside", because all explanations from the inside will only be guesses. "dark matter" can only be explained by aliens :P So we are just left alone to play with vacuums and rockets to try to make sense of this 80% of the unknown. BUT the paper clearly shows COP>+ since that is what "the big bang shows" too. HUGEEEE! Amounts of energy particles/molecules are passing by us that reach other galaxies. I see them as water rivers....the sun light that we need to survive also reaches other galaxies just enough to be able for the naked eye to see the glimmer in the sky. BUT not enough to give our skin vitamin D.

QuoteNegentropy

Negentropy = profitis trying to speak like he is a god. Hehehe.

QuoteMm You sure about this?

Yes I am sure because the rich would never try to this. The only reason someone would ant to turn bismuth in to gold is because they are motivated by GREEED hence they don't have gold. If you have gold worth millions, you are more concerned someone steeling it from you NOT trying to make more gold.

QuoteOh yes I do

No you don't :P

"The universe is a vacuum? A vacuum inside the earth
is the same as a "vacuum" in outer space?"

Yes here the word vaccuum has nothing to do with an actual vaccuum.it has to do with quantum entanglement and assymmetry of systems.when a supergiant star collapses under its own gravity the energy field which it is pressing against is the real vaccuum.this energy field is humungous and is the pillar of all existence.when we press on this vaccuum field weird shit begins to happen like time-space distortion,things vanishing in one location and appearing in another etc like magic.I believe human thought can even learn to tickle or teaze this energy field as ones thoughts are part of the system of existence.


"I STRONGLY believe that electricity
may have "consciousness" and not just a "dumb"
particle/photon bouncing around."

I always wondered to myself,'is a sodium atom conscious of and aware of an approaching chlorine atom?' It must become 'aware' after a certain point as it reacts to the chlorine atom.this is deduced from the fact that we ourselves are a mere pile of reacting atoms not much different to the sodium and chlorine atoms, just more complex that's all.yet we are 'aware' of things.degrees of complexity of awareness appear to be linked to intellegence.

"Negentropy = profitis trying to speak like he is a god.
Hehehe."


it all boils down to one thing really.the bismuth nucleus strips itself in an desperate attempt to get out of the black hole of negentropy. 

"the rich would never try to
this. The only reason someone would ant to turn
bismuth in to gold is because they are motivated by
GREEED hence they don't have gold. If you have gold
worth millions, you are more concerned someone
steeling it from you NOT trying to make more gold."

Well if I had a coupla mils I would definitely look into ways of getting more mils.turning bismut into gold at a profit would be a high priority because then people will like me more.especially women. 

"No you don't :P"

Yeah right

QuoteYes here the word vaccuum has nothing to do with an actual vaccuum.it has to do with quantum entanglement and assymmetry of systems.when a supergiant star collapses under its own gravity the energy field which it is pressing against is the real vaccuum.this energy field is humungous and is the pillar of all existence.when we press on this vaccuum field weird shit begins to happen like time-space distortion,things vanishing in one location and appearing in another etc like magic.

But profitis, how can the same vacuum be the same inside earth and the same in the galaxy and the same in the edge of the universe and the same in the "black hole" horizon? IF all vacuum was the same,  all matter would be the same. WOW! You just made me realized a thing about LIGHT, light is not the same from billions of years ago...the light that we see with our telescopes is "dirty light" not pure. I love the thinking profitis, don't you? This means that the light that we see is not 100% proof of a "big bang" at all...the light could be lying to our telescopes. NOW how about our perception of a vacuum? First of all, who is sucking the air out in space? Who is the vacuum in space that is sucking the air? And for what? ALSO, why is the air of the earth is not being sucked by the STRONG vacuum of outer space?

Admit it profitis, you don't know what the vacuum is. WELL, only in the earth sucking the air out of a container. What is "sucking" the air in outer space? There has to be a vacuum? And the answer is "the big bang" but there are vacuums like the "black holes" too = explosions creating "vacuums". The we have multiple "big bangs" and multiple galaxies that our human brains cannot understand at this very moment. Specially the vacuum...profitis, the earth vacuum is not the same as the galaxy "vacuum". :)

QuoteI believe human thought can even learn to tickle or teaze this energy field as ones thoughts are part of the system of existence.

YES! This part of the brain is BEYOND the math BEYOND the vacuum. It is pure energy from "evolution" that tells us to keep on living. No matter the corruption. No matter the forks on the road, we need to keep on going. This energy is what drives us and makes us to keep going. What is this energy? Why does it not allow for everything to die? Why does it keep going on and on and on? So I can come back and bully profitis? :)

QuoteI always wondered to myself,'is a sodium atom conscious of and aware of an approaching chlorine atom?' It must become 'aware' after a certain point as it reacts to the chlorine atom.this is deduced from the fact that we ourselves are a mere pile of reacting atoms not much different to the sodium and chlorine atoms, just more complex that's all.yet we are 'aware' of things.degrees of complexity of awareness appear to be linked to intellegence.

You know what profitis...all atoms have a "DNA" consciousness. I don't care what psychologist tries to tell me, or what neurologist tries to tell me, all living things have consciousness. As a matter of fact, you are your worse enemy. You fight a battle in your head from what is right from wrong. If I say this, is it right? If I do this is it right? Can I make this work? Etc. Our brains do this so we can find the evolution of the truth while at the same time FOLLOWING the path of the "creator". Ask yourself, why is iron iron? Why is copper copper? Why is air air? The atoms can move around to make whatever they want but the atoms are not chaos/stupid, they have a chaotic order.

YES sodium atom is concision so is chlorine. The "atomic" conscious is a 0 or 1. You have to understand, that even the 0 and 1 have atoms? Who the hell told the 0 to be a zero in the atomic world?

Quoteespecially women. 

EYY! You like multiple ladies profities :) Dude, then you are in the wrong forum, there are many forums towards pick-up-artists all over the web https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_community#Pickup_artist

Prototipe 1

preliminary demonstration of a reactor Portable

"But profitis, how can the same vacuum be the same
inside earth and the same in the galaxy and the same
in the edge of the universe and the same in the "black
hole" horizon? IF all vacuum was the same,  all
matter would be the same."

All matter is comprised of the same thing,dipoles of quanta.it was apophasis pointed this out nicely in the other thread.


" WOW! You just made me
realized a thing about LIGHT, light is not the same
from billions of years ago...the light that we see with
our telescopes is "dirty light" not pure. I love the
thinking profitis, don't you? This means that the light
that we see is not 100% proof of a "big bang""


The giant bang is just a theory. movement of matter/light/and debris in the universe indicate that they're all moving away from the centre of something.


" NOW
how about our perception of a vacuum?"


This is a mind-fuck.a 1cm3 of deep outer-space is really a nothing,non-existance personified.but shove a quanta of matter or light in there and now the same behaviours that happens here will happen there.


"ALSO, why is the air of the earth is not being
sucked by the STRONG vacuum of outer space?"


Gravity



" What is this energy?
Why does it not allow for everything to die? Why does
it keep going on and on and on? So I can come back
and bully profitis? :)"


We're not meant to know the answer to this and we never will.quite depressing.but I can tell you one thing with certainty,the sun will run out of fuel one day.then there'l be no more nerds left for you to bully.

" The atoms can move
around to make whatever they want but the atoms
are not chaos/stupid, they have a chaotic order."


A-ha.the pattern of ALL existance.its as if existance cannot makeup its mind which way it wants to go.neither total chaos nor total order.lucky for us this allows us to make up its mind for it using certain methods.


"YES sodium atom is concisious.  Who
the hell told the sodium to be sodium in the atomic world?"


A-ha,remember the universe is see-sawing between anarchy and order so its gona spit out some sodiums here, platinums there,calciums there.

"EYY! You like multiple ladies profities :)"


If one can't afford one then one must go multiples

" Dude, then
you are in the wrong forum, there are many forums
towards pick-up-artists all over the web https://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Seduction_community#Pickup_artist"

that forum won't teach me how to make gold out of trash dude I'm stayin right here close to the lenrists.the best pickup line proven by survey is a pic of a guy leaning on a bmw,no words required

QuoteAll matter is comprised of the same thing,dipoles of quanta.it was apophasis pointed this out nicely in the other thread.

You mean ALL MATTER is the same inside the KNOWN. I'm getting tired of saying this, but we LEARN FROM THE OUTSIDE IN...we are not learning from the inside out. So, like I was saying, our vacuum cannot be the same as the vacuum from the outside. IOW, 100% point blank, we are just here to learn period. Your parents could have raised you to be retarded :P while your neighbor same age could probably became the king of England (example)...but even though through all of this, knowledge comes from the outside not from the inside. And since knowledge and awareness comes from the outside, we are only learning and nothing is 100% true as we speak. So our mere vacuum of a motor and fan is not the same as the galaxy vacuum at all. You don't even know what is causing a "black hole" to suck stuff in with out even knowing what the motor is?

QuoteThe giant bang is just a theory. movement of matter/light/and debris in the universe indicate that they're all moving away from the centre of something.

Hehehehehe like I did not know that...you forgot to mention that it came from matter smaller than this dot →.

QuoteThis is a mind-fuck.a 1cm3 of deep outer-space is really a nothing,non-existance personified.but shove a quanta of matter or light in there and now the same behaviours that happens here will happen there.

Still, the vacuum perception of the galaxy vacuum CANNOT be reproduced here on earth! And hence it cannot be reproduced, it's just "theories". Again, we only learn from the outside like a bird brain following crumbs of bread. The bird is not throwing crumbs of bread but eating them = learning from the outside in. Not!!!! a human was born that can make a universe. It is pretty simple profitis, the universe exists, now lest see you create one?

QuoteGravity

Gravity inside gravity inside gravity inside gravity inside gravity = lets call everything gravity lol That's like saying ANIMALS...but what are animals? Just animals!

QuoteA-ha.the pattern of ALL existance.its as if existance cannot makeup its mind which way it wants to go.neither total chaos nor total order.lucky for us this allows us to make up its mind for it using certain methods.

Profitis, your body is a chaotic "ordered" of a body and that chaotic order of atoms is also in your brain. Your brain is free to think whatever it wants but the DNA of the thinking is to give those wireless thought through both the mouth and the thought to pass a long to the rest. You can be there sitting in your chair and speak many upon many things with out making a change while HISTORY and EVOLUTION but the atoms ALREADY know this. The atoms will not allow you to destroy their "atom" order (DNA). Now lets think about if we are thinking for ourselves or are we being "manipulated" by the atoms? When I think that I'm just a clump of atoms, I kind of have to believe that I am a puppet of the atoms. What ever I know I only know because of what the atoms allow me to learn. IOW, you are controlled by the atoms period. The truth of the future is if you can understand what the atoms teach you.

QuoteA-ha,remember the universe is see-sawing between anarchy and order so its gona spit out some sodiums here, platinums there,calciums there.

Yes but we are talking about human evolution here. Does gold created the human evolution or greed? No matter what, all the human payments came from natural resources.

QuoteIf one can't afford one then one must go multiples

How much are you worth? Maybe I can afford you to mow my grass.

Quotethat forum won't teach me how to make gold out of trash dude I'm stayin right here close to the lenrists.the best pickup line proven by survey is a pic of a guy leaning on a bmw,no words required

Ohhh, playa play on. Lol How much gold do you own BUT please don't give me your address. NOT because I would want to take your gold, but because there are many many many many many poor people that would kill for money. They can't hunt for food, so they hunt for money.

" ALL MATTER is the same inside the
KNOWN. I'm getting tired of saying this, but we
LEARN FROM THE OUTSIDE IN...we are not learning
from the inside out."

Your consciousness is outside-in or inside-out?irrelevent

"So, like I was saying, our vacuum
cannot be the same as the vacuum from the outside."

What are you saying.in physics the E-vac or zeropoint field is pan-universal this includes you buddy.

"IOW, 100% point blank, we are just here to learn
period."

Absolute bullshit,we are here to exist.period.what happens with human existence is inconsequencial to the universe


"Hehehehehe like I did not know that...you forgot to
mention that it came from matter smaller than this
dot →."

So it was pure potential for existance.would you say that the potential for existance itself was pan-universal or just located at one spot for all eternity (I got you thinking now right?)



"Still, the vacuum perception of the galaxy vacuum
CANNOT be reproduced here on earth! And hence it
cannot be reproduced, it's just "theories". Again, we
only learn from the outside like a bird brain following
crumbs of bread. The bird is not throwing crumbs of
bread but eating them = learning from the outside in.
Not!!!! a human was born that can make a universe. It
is pretty simple profitis, the universe exists, now lest
see you create one?"


Hehe, if you only knew.lemmepuddit2uthisway,,if you can learn to communicate with and tame this pan-universal E-vac you become GOD himself but becareful,with power comes responsibilty.


"Gravity inside gravity inside gravity inside gravity
inside gravity = lets call everything gravity lol That's
like saying ANIMALS...but what are animals? Just
animals!"

Your point is?


"The atoms will not allow you to
destroy their "atom" order (DNA). Now lets think
about if we are thinking for ourselves or are we being
"manipulated" by the atoms? When I think that I'm
just a clump of atoms, I kind of have to believe that I
am a puppet of the atoms"

Clump of existance and puppet of existance yes,it takes higher learning,let's call it spiritual or quantum learning, to be able to detach yourself from the instructions of your instincts when knowledge is required.the first rule number one:question everything including yourself.


"Yes but we are talking about human evolution here.
Does gold created the human evolution or greed? No
matter what, all the human payments came from
natural resources."

I thought we were talking about the vaccuum field of the universe?humans,animals,plants only interest me insofar as consciousness and thought is concerned as consciousness is the link between us and non-existance.non-existance is what spat out the universe.non-existance is the real power behind it all.


"How much are you worth? Maybe I can afford you to
mow my grass."

You'l pay in dollars?I'l take it

"Ohhh, playa play on. Lol How much gold do you own
BUT please don't give me your address. NOT because
I would want to take your gold, but because there are
many many many many many poor people that
would kill for money. They can't hunt for food, so
they hunt for money"


Yes I better invest in a glock 40 before I nail this bismuth's ass thanks for the warning

Quote from: profitis on October 13, 2015, 05:34:15 PM


Yes I better invest in a glock 40 before I nail this bismuth's ass thanks for the warning

Yes but, just remember that the Glock Company only made those weapons for greedy profits.  They sold them to the greedy gun dealer from
whom you would buy one.  Forget that it is one of the finest handguns in the world, and has been used to save tens of thousands of lives since its invention.  Forget that Glock would not have invested the money in R&D to develop this fine weapon unless they thought they could make greedy profits with it  In Joel's perfect world, you would only have a pointed stick to protect yourself with that you had to make yourself because if someone made one for you, they would probably want to make money from doing so.

Bill

PS  I had a Glock model 22 (.40 cal.) but I sold it last year for a greedy profit so I could eat.

@Pirate88179 (http://overunity.com/profile/pirate88179.8844/)

QuoteIn Joel's perfect world, you would only have a pointed stick to protect yourself
with that you had to make yourself because if someone made one for you, they
would probably want to make money from doing so.

I think you have it wrong because in a perfect world we would have no need for weapons because there would be no violence. Thus the problem is not weapons but the mentality of the people who hold and use the weapons. However people often like to blame their own mental deficiencies on inanimate objects rather than address the real problems. I believe it is going to get worse simply because technology is advancing much faster than people's intelligence which is a recipe for disaster. Thus if we hold this path then logically we will have billions of stupid people weilding advanced weapons.
I see two options at this point, one we hold the staus quo and destroy ourselves or two we come to our senses and outlaw all weapons on a global scale. I like to think of it this way, if we ever met an advanced alien civilization with advanced intelligence do you think they would be carrying a gun?, lol. Well no that's just silly and the most educated and intelligent people here on Earth rarely if ever carry a gun either. Which tells us a great deal about the people who do carry guns who are not the most educated or intelligent people.

We should try to be more like the best humanity has to offer not the worst.

AC

Quote from: allcanadian on October 15, 2015, 12:46:26 AM
@Pirate88179 (http://overunity.com/profile/pirate88179.8844/)I think you have it wrong because in a perfect world we would have no need for weapons because there would be no violence. Thus the problem is not weapons but the mentality of the people who hold and use the weapons. However people often like to blame their own mental deficiencies on inanimate objects rather than address the real problems. I believe it is going to get worse simply because technology is advancing much faster than people's intelligence which is a recipe for disaster. Thus if we hold this path then logically we will have billions of stupid people weilding advanced weapons.
I see two options at this point, one we hold the staus quo and destroy ourselves or two we come to our senses and outlaw all weapons on a global scale. I like to think of it this way, if we ever met an advanced alien civilization with advanced intelligence do you think they would be carrying a gun?, lol. Well no that's just silly and the most educated and intelligent people here on Earth rarely if ever carry a gun either. Which tells us a great deal about the people who do carry guns who are not the most educated or intelligent people.

We should try to be more like the best humanity has to offer not the worst.

AC

Be sure to tell that to the guy that breaks into your house at 3:00 am and wants to murder your family.  I am sure he will listen to reason.

The world is full of sick people, I wish it were not this way, but it is. To pretend otherwise is not smart in my opinion.  I carry a gun.  I get paid to carry a gun.  I protect people, and myself.  I see nothing wrong with that.  If you want to sacrifice yourself and your family members to the crazy folks, then I suppose that is your business.  Good luck with that.  I can honestly say that I have never shot anyone that didn't need shooting.

Bill

PS  My IQ is 139 so, there goes your stupid people owning guns theory.

@Pirate88179 (http://overunity.com/profile/pirate88179.8844/)

QuoteBe sure to tell that to the guy that breaks into your house at 3:00 am and wants
to murder your family.  I am sure he will listen to reason.
The world is full of sick people, I wish it were not this way, but it is. To pretend otherwise is
not smart in my opinion.  I carry a gun.  I get paid to carry a gun.  I protect
people, and myself.  I see nothing wrong with that.  If you want to sacrifice
yourself and your family members to the crazy folks, then I suppose that is your
business.  Good luck with that.  I can honestly say that I have never shot
anyone that didn't need shooting.
PS  My IQ is 139 so, there goes your stupid
people owning guns theory.

I don't actually know anyone who has ever had there house broken into and many days we leave the house and garage unlocked and leave the keys in our vehicles outside over night. You know I have to ask... if you have such a high IQ then why would you live in such a violent place where guns are a necessity?. It would seem to me the intelligent thing to do would be to move somewhere else away from the crazy folks.
The thing to remember is that the mind can rationalize almost anything which becomes normal to it no matter how insane it is. For some drug use or carrying a gun becomes normal to them and they cannot use critical thinking to see it for what it is. Logically if we need to carry a gun because we feel threatened by all the percieved sick or crazy people all around us then this is not normal, it is not acceptable and it is obviously a problem which needs to be addressed. Denial is not a solution.

AC

QuoteYour consciousness is outside-in or inside-out?irrelevent

Listen to this profitis, our learning is a toroid consciousness. The once and for all truth needs to come out about the truth. Your mom and dad gave life to you? Their genetic code was pasts along to you? They raised you not to be stupid as best they could? For what? To run a company? To raise cattle or sheep? To get rich? Or are you now trying to figure out how to get rich? Everything that you know is coming from the OUTSIDE-IN. The OUTSIDE-IN is also coded that male and female make love and then make a baby. NOW lets go deeeppper. Why did the female and male want to make a profitis baby? Because their INSIDE-OUT DNA to reproduce? This is the INNER DNA showing to reproduce and the knowledge to survive comes from the OUTSIDE-IN...we kind of have a DNA LIFE toroid going on here. Where the ONLY purpose of life is to keep on the toroid going. BORING! We have mom and dad making babies? (inner DNA). We have babies taught to learn hw to survive in this world (outer DNA). SOOO it looks like the inner DNA is CONSTANT NS THE outer DNA IS MOSTLY "ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE".  Profitis, you have said it yourself, you wanna make love to many ladies? The DNA gives you this pleasure.....it makes you feel good. If you don't want to reproduce, you die. Because the INNER-DNA tells you what to do.

QuoteWhat are you saying.in physics the E-vac or zeropoint field is pan-universal this includes you buddy.

Yeah I know I exists inside the "vacuum" of human politics. All of these politics are only trying to understand the universe....remember the earth being carried by a huge turtle? Or the earth being flat? While being 99% convince on that ideology many killings where committed in many places! So then I come to my theory! Why are humans fighting each other? = GREEED? Why would I want to take your woman and kids when I have my own woman and kids? = GREEED? Why do I want more money than I can spent in my whole entire life? = GREEEED? Now if we can understand how viruses work and how GREEED works, we can understand that corruption-corrupts-absolutely and now the human DNA BEAUTIFUL PATH is not even taken into consideration BUT only THE greeedy part is. AND this is why we facing a 6th great extinction because the consciousness of the EVOLUTION of the DNA would never allow that to happen. This is very simple to understand...people neeed a strong leader. 1) will make you move forward 2) will make you feel like dirt to feel better and kill the earth. = God VS devil.  Super hero vs bad guy. Positive VS negative.

QuoteAbsolute bullshit,we are here to exist.period.what happens with human existence is inconsequencial to the universe

hehehehe what did your parents teach you? Just because you can't understand does not mean that this universe is chaotic. :P

QuoteSo it was pure potential for existance.would you say that the potential for existance itself was pan-universal or just located at one spot for all eternity (I got you thinking now right?)

hehehehe my dad use to bully me, I meet bullies all of the time....you know what I love? When they get fired from their "expert" positions! You know what profitis, I have figured you out! You want to feel praised. You want many females at your feet. You don't want to work hard to get FREEE energy. LOL....you and pirate would get along pretty well...lol...but first tell each others ages...because you two cannot deal with new born babies.

QuoteYou'l pay in dollars?I'l take it

Yeah, I pay in USD money. If I go against your CORE LIFE BELIEFS because I would pay your $2000USD would you agree with me because I payed you that money? LOL....how can I KNOW YOU WOULD NOT KILL ME TO TAKE $10,000 OF MY BACK ACOUNT?

QuoteYes I better invest in a glock 40 before I nail this bismuth's ass thanks for the warning

Hmmm post a pic leaning against a BMW if you make it there. Lol If you don't have money, don't worry about your imaginary car. And you know there are other road blocks past your imaginary car? Maybe that no guns are allowed in the building? Maybe it only takes brains about thinking the in and outs about the galaxy?

Quote from: allcanadian on October 16, 2015, 02:39:34 AM
@Pirate88179 (http://overunity.com/profile/pirate88179.8844/)
I don't actually know anyone who has ever had there house broken into and many days we leave the house and garage unlocked and leave the keys in our vehicles outside over night. You know I have to ask... if you have such a high IQ then why would you live in such a violent place where guns are a necessity?. It would seem to me the intelligent thing to do would be to move somewhere else away from the crazy folks.
The thing to remember is that the mind can rationalize almost anything which becomes normal to it no matter how insane it is. For some drug use or carrying a gun becomes normal to them and they cannot use critical thinking to see it for what it is. Logically if we need to carry a gun because we feel threatened by all the percieved sick or crazy people all around us then this is not normal, it is not acceptable and it is obviously a problem which needs to be addressed. Denial is not a solution.

AC

Sure, just ask the families of those mounties that were gunned down in your gun free country.  So, you claim to have no crazy people there, and no guns yet somehow, those poor mounties were killed by a crazy guy with guns.

You make absolutely no sense at all and fail to apply logic to this situation.

I am done with this discussion as you just do not get it and probably never will.

I almost feel sorry for you and your family.

Bill

PS  My I.Q. is not really all that high but, it is higher than average. (100 is average)  My older brother's I.Q. is over 150 and my late father's was much higher than that.  By the way, my Dad, being ex-military, had guns and so does my brother.  You might want to re-examine your "only stupid people have guns" theory.

One more point.  You are totally correct when you said if someone lives in a high crime ( murder) area, they should have the smarts to move elsewhere.  I agree.  But, let's look at the murder rates in LA, Chicago, NY, Baltimore and DC.  Do you know what they all have in common?  They are gun free zones. (except for cops)  Same with the school shootings...all gun free zones.  Does that not tell you something?  In Chicago alone there are over 50 gun murders/week.  Yes, that's 50!  But how can that be in a gun free zone?  Easy, the bad guys will still always be able to get a gun. (they don't seem to follow the laws it seems)  Isn't it better to be able to be armed against them?

@Bill

QuoteSure, just ask the families of those mounties that were gunned down in your gun free country.  So, you claim to have no crazy people there, and no guns yet somehow, those poor mounties were killed by a crazy guy with guns.[/size]You make absolutely no sense at all and fail to apply logic to this situation.I am done with this discussion as you just do not get it and probably never will.I almost feel sorry for you and your family.

Logically I do not live in all of Canada so to presume the worst case scenario in Canada must apply to me personally where I live is a little woo-woo Bill.

QuotePS  My I.Q. is not really all that high but, it is higher than average. (100 is average)  My older brother's I.Q. is over 150 and my late father's was much higher than that.  By the way, my Dad, being ex-military, had guns and so does my brother.  You might want to re-examine your "only stupid people have guns" theory.

So you and your brother are really smart but like to live in violent gun infested parts of the world and shoot people... that about cover it Bill?.

QuoteOne more point.  You are totally correct when you said if someone lives in a high crime ( murder) area, they should have the smarts to move elsewhere.  I agree.  But, let's look at the murder rates in LA, Chicago, NY, Baltimore and DC.  Do you know what they all have in common?  They are gun free zones. (except for cops)  Same with the school shootings...all gun free zones.  Does that not tell you something?  In Chicago alone there are over 50 gun murders/week.  Yes, that's 50!  But how can that be in a gun free zone?  Easy, the bad guys will still always be able to get a gun. (they don't seem to follow the laws it seems)  Isn't it better to be able to be armed against them?

Tit for Tat has never really worked Bill because it's immature and based on a playground mentality. Little Johnny hit me so I hit him, then Bill hit me because I hit Johnny and frank hit Johnny because he hit Bill. You see the problem here is when responsible adults claim to be responsible adults but use the same reasoning as children. If all adults actually acted like adults and addressed the real issues then we wouldn't need guns and we wouldn't be having this conversation... would we?.




AC

Quote from: allcanadian on October 16, 2015, 10:59:15 PM
@Bill

Logically I do not live in all of Canada so to presume the worst case scenario in Canada must apply to me personally where I live is a little woo-woo Bill.



So you and your brother are really smart but like to live in violent gun infested parts of the world and shoot people... that about cover it Bill?.



Tit for Tat has never really worked Bill because it's immature and based on a playground mentality. Little Johnny hit me so I hit him, then Bill hit me because I hit Johnny and frank hit Johnny because he hit Bill. You see the problem here is when responsible adults claim to be responsible adults but use the same reasoning as children. If all adults actually acted like adults and addressed the real issues then we wouldn't need guns and we wouldn't be having this conversation... would we?.




AC

Well, we are not having this conversation because you are too lost and I can't help you.  You left out crazy adults, you know, those guys that kill folks for the $5 in their pockets?  I live in a very low crime state, much lower than yours.  The difference is, I refuse to be a victim, nor allow anyone I care about to be a victim.  You do not seem to care so,...like I said...good luck to you.  Remember, it only takes one nut to turn your life upside down by murdering the ones you love.  Your insistence of there being no crazy folks in Canada was full of crap wasn't it?  Now you claim that, that was not near you so...it does not bother you.  What if, say, just for a thought experiment, that those mounties and all of those other folks that got killed thought the same thing as you?  I'll be their families think different now don't they?

We have a state that banned all guns, just like you want...and a nut drove his car into a group of school children waiting for the school bus.  He killed and maimed a bunch of them.  So, your answer is that now we have to ban cars?  It is so funny, in electronics, you are very logical, in this topic, not so much.

One more story...a few years ago, thanks to Obama's budget cuts, a guy got let out of the insane asylum.  He was in there for murdering his mother with an axe.  So, he gets out...and a week later he moves to my town and, at 2:00 a.m. he breaks into a ladies home using his axe to chop the door open.  She was in her bedroom and, she got up and locked her bedroom door.  A few minutes later, she watched as he chopped his way into her bedroom.  This woman was 72 years old and had no connection with this guy at all.  When he finally chopped his way into her room, she blew him to hell with her 357 mag.  What would have happened to that woman had she not had a gun and knew how to use it?  Should she have just died because guns are evil?  The perp did not have a gun, he had an axe, so, maybe we should now ban axes?

My guess is that she would not agree with your fear of guns at all.

Bill

Hey bill let me tell you this. When I was growing up I got in to many HAND TO HAND fights as a teen. This means me breaking your bone or maybe just giving a black eye or a sore rib. Now after fighting and understanding that it was immature and stupid...we both came out still alive...both could have come out to make a big difference in this world or even if not, GREW UP TO BE "NORMAL".

Now replace that with guns? People are always are going to DEBATE!!! this does not mean one should  HAVE the right to kill those they don't agree on? Guns are made for war and ONLY to kill period. In the evolution side of things, animals defend themselves with intimidation or venom but they HAVE A CHANCE to evolve to defend themselves. One bullet, means you are dead. Actually, the bullet signifies the immaturity of the human beings and also signifies their destruction of one another. Just wait when there is a nuclear war started. Your gun will not mean anything.

Please tell me who would you shoot with your gun?

Then please tell me if the cops shoot others for the same reason?

The evolution shows that hand to hand combat is the NORMAL thing to do. NOT just kill people you don't agree with inside a political loophole. When I had hand to hand fights, they ended up being my friends.

Quote from: joel321 on October 16, 2015, 11:52:41 PM
Hey bill let me tell you this. When I was growing up I got in to many HAND TO HAND fights as a teen. This means me breaking your bone or maybe just giving a black eye or a sore rib. Now after fighting and understanding that it was immature and stupid...we both came out still alive...both could have come out to make a big difference in this world or even if not, GREW UP TO BE "NORMAL".

Now replace that with guns? People are always are going to DEBATE!!! this does not mean one should  HAVE the right to kill those they don't agree on? Guns are made for war and ONLY to kill period. In the evolution side of things, animals defend themselves with intimidation or venom but they HAVE A CHANCE to evolve to defend themselves. One bullet, means you are dead. Actually, the bullet signifies the immaturity of the human beings and also signifies their destruction of one another. Just wait when there is a nuclear war started. Your gun will not mean anything.

Please tell me who would you shoot with your gun?

Then please tell me if the cops shoot others for the same reason?

The evolution shows that hand to hand combat is the NORMAL thing to do. NOT just kill people you don't agree with inside a political loophole. When I had hand to hand fights, they ended up being my friends.

I only shoot people that are trying to kill me, or someone I am responsible for. (That is the law) End of story.  You can't just shoot someone because you have an argument with them.  I mean, I guess you can but, now you are charged with murder. (I have never been convicted of murder)

There are plenty of times that a gun can stop crime without shooting anyone.  Here is an example:  I am walking down the street, a guy comes up to me with a knife and wants my wallet...I say...sure...just hang on...it's right here...and pull out my gun and...guess what?  He suddenly decides that he no longer wants my wallet.  He emphasizes this point by running away at high speed.  So, no one was hurt, and, I still have my wallet.  Do you think if I tried to tell him that what he was doing was wrong would have stopped him?  Of course not.  This happens thousands of times every day in the world.  Guns save lives.  The statistics prove it over and over.

Don't misunderstand me.  You never, ever, ever pull a gun on someone unless you are ready, willing and able to shoot them.  Had this guy charged me with his knife, he would be dead.  I am glad he ran away.  Probably the next guy he tried to rob shot him.  I am glad that is not on my conscience.

Joel, you do know that you can kill a human with your bare hands about 30 different ways right?

Bill

Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 16, 2015, 07:46:54 PM
Sure, just ask the families of those mounties that were gunned down in your gun free country.  So, you claim to have no crazy people there, and no guns yet somehow, those poor mounties were killed by a crazy guy with guns.

You make absolutely no sense at all and fail to apply logic to this situation.

I am done with this discussion as you just do not get it and probably never will.

I almost feel sorry for you and your family.

Bill

PS  My I.Q. is not really all that high but, it is higher than average. (100 is average)  My older brother's I.Q. is over 150 and my late father's was much higher than that.  By the way, my Dad, being ex-military, had guns and so does my brother.  You might want to re-examine your "only stupid people have guns" theory.

One more point.  You are totally correct when you said if someone lives in a high crime ( murder) area, they should have the smarts to move elsewhere.  I agree.  But, let's look at the murder rates in LA, Chicago, NY, Baltimore and DC.  Do you know what they all have in common?  They are gun free zones. (except for cops)  Same with the school shootings...all gun free zones.  Does that not tell you something?  In Chicago alone there are over 50 gun murders/week.  Yes, that's 50!  But how can that be in a gun free zone?  Easy, the bad guys will still always be able to get a gun. (they don't seem to follow the laws it seems)  Isn't it better to be able to be armed against them?

Deja vu all over again. Like 1,000 MPH on the deck.  ::)

50 X 52 = 26,000 a year. That's a BIG number for a small nation like Chicago. Wait a minute. Chi is a town, not a nation. Got yo numbers wrong AGAIN Billy? Do you EVER write the right thing? But you might be correct, I don't keep with gun murders in Chi. Got any reference to verify yo fantastic figure?

Do you get your thinking as clear as this when you are deciding whether or not you need to shoot somebody in your line of work?


CANGAS 184

PS My IQ is not 184.

Quote from: joel321 on October 16, 2015, 11:52:41 PM
Hey bill let me tell you this. When I was growing up I got in to many HAND TO HAND fights as a teen. This means me breaking your bone or maybe just giving a black eye or a sore rib. Now after fighting and understanding that it was immature and stupid...we both came out still alive...both could have come out to make a big difference in this world or even if not, GREW UP TO BE "NORMAL".

Now replace that with guns? People are always are going to DEBATE!!! this does not mean one should  HAVE the right to kill those they don't agree on? Guns are made for war and ONLY to kill period. In the evolution side of things, animals defend themselves with intimidation or venom but they HAVE A CHANCE to evolve to defend themselves. One bullet, means you are dead. Actually, the bullet signifies the immaturity of the human beings and also signifies their destruction of one another. Just wait when there is a nuclear war started. Your gun will not mean anything.

Please tell me who would you shoot with your gun?

Then please tell me if the cops shoot others for the same reason?

The evolution shows that hand to hand combat is the NORMAL thing to do. NOT just kill people you don't agree with inside a political loophole. When I had hand to hand fights, they ended up being my friends.

One hand stroke can just as easily mean that somebody is dead.

Any one who appears to seriously threaten me is who I would shoot with my gun. Or kill with one stroke of my hand.

There are countless numbers of dead people who have been killed by an unarmed assailant. You are a fool if you consider unarmed combat to be just a harmless and silly game.


CANGAS 185 

Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 15, 2015, 09:07:46 PM
Be sure to tell that to the guy that breaks into your house at 3:00 am and wants to murder your family.  I am sure he will listen to reason.

The world is full of sick people, I wish it were not this way, but it is. To pretend otherwise is not smart in my opinion.  I carry a gun.  I get paid to carry a gun.  I protect people, and myself.  I see nothing wrong with that.  If you want to sacrifice yourself and your family members to the crazy folks, then I suppose that is your business.  Good luck with that.  I can honestly say that I have never shot anyone that didn't need shooting.

Bill

PS  My IQ is 139 so, there goes your stupid people owning guns theory.

139, eh? Are you telling me the truth?


CANGAS 186



Late breaking quote from Billy......

Quote
PS  My I.Q. is not really all that high but, it is higher than average. (100 is average)  My older brother's I.Q. is over 150 and my late father's was much higher than that.  By the way, my Dad, being ex-military, had guns and so does my brother.  You might want to re-examine your "only stupid people have guns" theory.

What was this thread about anyway?

Transmuting bismuth into gold?


CANGAS 187

QuoteI only shoot people that are trying to kill me, or someone I am responsible for. (That is the law) End of story.  You can't just shoot someone because you have an argument with them.  I mean, I guess you can but, now you are charged with murder. (I have never been convicted of murder)

The law also said back in the past that the world was carried by a turtle? Now fast forward the same mentality to the year 2015?

QuoteThere are plenty of times that a gun can stop crime without shooting anyone.  Here is an example:  I am walking down the street, a guy comes up to me with a knife and wants my wallet...I say...sure...just hang on...it's right here...and pull out my gun and...guess what?  He suddenly decides that he no longer wants my wallet.  He emphasizes this point by running away at high speed.  So, no one was hurt, and, I still have my wallet.  Do you think if I tried to tell him that what he was doing was wrong would have stopped him?  Of course not.  This happens thousands of times every day in the world.  Guns save lives.  The statistics prove it over and over.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS all babies are born with guns in their hands. You Bill are the stupidest smart person I have ever met. Now how do you expect to win a debate? With your gun? How old where you when you first got your gun? And who told you that your gun has saved your life? The facts is that you are a poor person! You are the type of person that will kill just if someone comes behind you and spooks you. You will pull put your gun and shoot like a dumb ass all over the place.

QuoteDon't misunderstand me.  You never, ever, ever pull a gun on someone unless you are ready, willing and able to shoot them.  Had this guy charged me with his knife, he would be dead.  I am glad he ran away.  Probably the next guy he tried to rob shot him.  I am glad that is not on my conscience.

OHHH evolution means be born with a gun? If you proclaim that guns are the ANSWER to evolution or peace...how did you make it to the age of an adult with not guns? At what age did you grab your first gun? ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDD, hehehehee, obviously your gun has not given you riches? From what I have read you from JB welding this and that, you are struggling with money! = you are no one to follow their beliefs. You are a pooorrrr! Old person. Hehehehe....lets fight in a ring with rules like the sport of boxing does? Your gun does not mean shyt there...are you willing to fight me hand to hand? I'm sure I would kick your ass and leave you with a few broken bones. You will live but then think twice fighting me hand to hand lol. Meh!

QuoteJoel, you do know that you can kill a human with your bare hands about 30 different ways right?

Yawn! You are boring and dumb pirate....lets not forget OLD. OM hand to hand fight on a ring, I would beat the shyt out of you that you would beg for me to stop...or use your gun to shot me. Remember I am younger than you and can probably do 50 more push ups than you can. OHHH but wait, so does your 18 yr old kid. Hehehehe at 60 years old your stupidity shows....you are NOT SMART AT ALL to me bill.  Lets go to a shooting range and shoot at targets? I can afford many guns. Lets see who can hit the target at any range? If I win hitting the target, I would like to slap you in the face? If you win at hitting the target, I would allow you to hit me in the face. By the end of the day, I would feel sorry for slapping you soo much. :( How do you think evolution evolve with out guns for billions of years ago?

How do you JB weld a gun? hehehehe.

QuoteOne hand stroke can just as easily mean that somebody is dead.

This sir shows how ignorant you are.

QuoteAny one who appears to seriously threaten me is who I would shoot with my gun. Or kill with one stroke of my hand.

How do you kill people on forums with your gun?

QuoteThere are countless numbers of dead people who have been killed by an unarmed assailant. You are a fool if you consider unarmed combat to be just a harmless and silly game.

What I am getting at is that the majority wins. I can be sitting in my chair while the people that follow me could be fighting my fights. I would love first hand to hand combat with you. Rules, lets not kill each other. Use your hand to tap three times when you give up. Ohhh why not jump in the ring and box each other? For sport. How many physical fights have you been in? I have been in a couple since 8 years old. And since I lift weight and excise, i'm sure I can mop the floor with your body lol....no bullets.

CANGAS, lets fight hand to hand combat? This will be an experiment...to see who can punch faster and understand how the "big bang" punches in the outer space? hehehe my right fist wants to lay a punch on your left cheek.

"hehehe what did your parents teach you? Just because you can't understand does not mean that this universe is chaotic. :P"

You're saying that if every single human,animal and plant life-form was wiped out 2morrow the earth would change its trajectory? Or would it not give a fuck.dna is extremely fragile bro.did you know that a teaspoon of certain radio-active material or biological agents thrown over a city can kill everyone inside of it? Just a teaspoon.this is the strength of dna. 


" I have figured you out! You want to feel praised. You want many females at your feet."


Who doesn't?even some females want this.

" You don't want to work hard to get FREEE energy. LOL...."


Rhetorical statement? :)

"you and pirate would get along pretty well...lol...but first tell each others ages...because you two cannot deal with new born babies."

We've told our ages here now tell us yours chicken


"Yeah, I pay in USD money. If I go against your CORE LIFE BELIEFS because I would pay your $2000USD would you agree with me because I payed you that money?"


When one begins to have reproductive urges one may become a fucking animal becareful.   


"LOL....how can I KNOW YOU WOULD NOT KILL ME TO TAKE $10,000 OF MY BACK ACOUNT?"

You'd better invest in a glock 40


"Hmmm post a pic leaning against a BMW if you make it there"

Not necessary.women are so evolutionary tuned with a 6th sense that they can tell wether you're rich or not just by conversation.theirbrains filter certain words,time-lapses between words,connotation of words etc.I must admit that I've quite mastered the art of counter-sensing their 6th sense here in the ghetto's aswell as in the big cities

"What was this thread about anyway?

Transmuting bismuth into gold?"

Joel turned it into a dna-fist-fest

Profitis, I want to punch you in the face with out killing you. Just about 30 punches in the face with about 20 slaps in between. No guns involved! Will you fight me face to face? Just fist VS fist? I want to make you cry like a little baby. Because what you say is just immature. Do you have the balls to fight me face to face? If I win, you should kiss my feet...if you win, I will kiss your feet. Profitis, I want to shut you up already.  ;)

"Profitis, I want to punch you in the face with out killing you. Just about 30 punches in the face with about 20 slaps in between. No guns involved! Will you fight me face to face?"

You'l pay me? Half before half afterward?

I'll pay you in full profitis. hehehehehe..after I kick your asrse, I'll get the money back lol. and with that money pay you for another ass kicking. "know-wha-i-mean?"

"pay you for another ass kicking."

Careful.I'l rip your cok off with my ass

Quote from: CANGAS on October 17, 2015, 02:13:43 AM

139, eh? Are you telling me the truth?


CANGAS 186



Late breaking quote from Billy......

Yes, it is 139.  As I posted, if you can read, it is not all that high for my family.

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings (http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings)

Here, you can see a map of the shootings, and all of the names.  More folks are shot, of course, than die so there are different numbers for that.  Some die later and are just counted as being shot and not murdered.

Yes, I was a bit wrong...the numbers are higher than I stated.  I see from this site that there were many months of over 300 folks shot up there.  Obviously, you were too ignorant to check this out for yourself before claiming I made it up.  Just like you showed how little you know about test aircraft.  You must be used to being wrong by now as it seems to happen a lot to you.

Bill

Quote from: joel321 on October 17, 2015, 05:41:55 AM
I'll pay you in full profitis. hehehehehe..after I kick your asrse, I'll get the money back lol. and with that money pay you for another ass kicking. "know-wha-i-mean?"

Joel, I really doubt that you could kick anyone's ass.  I'll bet you would go down with just one punch from a 5 year old girl.

Ha ha.

Bill

Quote from: CANGAS on October 17, 2015, 01:04:09 AM

Deja vu all over again. Like 1,000 MPH on the deck.  ::)

50 X 52 = 26,000 a year. That's a BIG number for a small nation like Chicago. Wait a minute. Chi is a town, not a nation. Got yo numbers wrong AGAIN Billy? Do you EVER write the right thing? But you might be correct, I don't keep with gun murders in Chi. Got any reference to verify yo fantastic figure?

Do you get your thinking as clear as this when you are deciding whether or not you need to shoot somebody in your line of work?


CANGAS 184

PS My IQ is not 184.

Thanks Mr. Obvious.

More sources so you won't have to bother to try to learn something for yourself:


More folks shot and killed in Chicago than troops killed in Afghanistan.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161690/Chicago-crime-More-people-shot-dead-Chicago-killed-duty-Afghanistan.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161690/Chicago-crime-More-people-shot-dead-Chicago-killed-duty-Afghanistan.html)


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/08/america-s-mass-shooting-capital-is-chicago.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/08/america-s-mass-shooting-capital-is-chicago.html)


"And for every person killed by gunfire in Chicago, another four are shot and survive."  (Quoted from above link)


But, you are right, I just made all of this up right?

Bill

Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 17, 2015, 12:01:51 PM
Yes, it is 139.  As I posted, if you can read, it is not all that high for my family.

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings (http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings)

Here, you can see a map of the shootings, and all of the names.  More folks are shot, of course, than die so there are different numbers for that.  Some die later and are just counted as being shot and not murdered.

Yes, I was a bit wrong...the numbers are higher than I stated.  I see from this site that there were many months of over 300 folks shot up there.  Obviously, you were too ignorant to check this out for yourself before claiming I made it up.  Just like you showed how little you know about test aircraft.  You must be used to being wrong by now as it seems to happen a lot to you.

Bill

The reference failed to verify your absurd 50 gun murder per day figure. The 2500 per year it gave is terrible, but proves your figure is a delusional one.

CANGAS 188

Quote from: CANGAS on October 17, 2015, 03:27:11 PM

The reference failed to verify your absurd 50 gun murder per day figure. The 2500 per year it gave is terrible, but proves your figure is a delusional one.

CANGAS 188

Please try to keep up.  Here is what I said:

"In Chicago alone there are over 50 gun murders/week"  You even quoted me, ha ha and now you are claiming I said 50 murders/day?

Go back and check my post, and then check your quote of my post....it said per week...not per day...there is a difference.

Quit trying to blame me for your reading mistakes

Bill

Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 16, 2015, 07:46:54 PM
Sure, just ask the families of those mounties that were gunned down in your gun free country.  So, you claim to have no crazy people there, and no guns yet somehow, those poor mounties were killed by a crazy guy with guns.

You make absolutely no sense at all and fail to apply logic to this situation.

I am done with this discussion as you just do not get it and probably never will.

I almost feel sorry for you and your family.

Bill

PS  My I.Q. is not really all that high but, it is higher than average. (100 is average)  My older brother's I.Q. is over 150 and my late father's was much higher than that.  By the way, my Dad, being ex-military, had guns and so does my brother.  You might want to re-examine your "only stupid people have guns" theory.

One more point.  You are totally correct when you said if someone lives in a high crime ( murder) area, they should have the smarts to move elsewhere.  I agree.  But, let's look at the murder rates in LA, Chicago, NY, Baltimore and DC.  Do you know what they all have in common?  They are gun free zones. (except for cops)  Same with the school shootings...all gun free zones.  Does that not tell you something?  In Chicago alone there are over 50 gun murders/week.  Yes, that's 50!  But how can that be in a gun free zone?  Easy, the bad guys will still always be able to get a gun. (they don't seem to follow the laws it seems)  Isn't it better to be able to be armed against them?

Cangas:

Here is my original post that you even quoted.

Now who is delusional?

Like I said, please try to pay attention.

Bill

Pirate""In Chicago alone there are over 50 gun murders/week"

Some of the most heinous crimes in history took place there.july 1966 richard franklin speck knocks on the door of a nurses hostel one night and spends the next 6hours slaughtering them one at a time.8 nurses stabbed/slaughtered.imagine just one of the nurses had a gun,just one

Quote from: profitis on October 17, 2015, 05:00:15 PM
Pirate""In Chicago alone there are over 50 gun murders/week"

Some of the most heinous crimes in history took place there.july 1966 richard franklin speck knocks on the door of a nurses hostel one night and spends the next 6hours slaughtering them one at a time.8 nurses stabbed/slaughtered.imagine just one of the nurses had a gun,just one

Bingo.  Just like the old lady here in my town with that axe guy.  No one does background checks on you when you buy an axe.  Some wackos wrote into the paper and claimed she should not have shot them, but called the Police.  Records show that she did in fact call 911 but, she had to shoot that bastard about 10 minutes before they showed up.

There are still some idiots here in town claiming she had no right to do that.  I guess they think she should have just allowed herself to be killed.  We all have the right to defend ourselves.  Period.

Bill

Pirate"We all have the right to defend ourselves.  Period."

I often wonder what the crime statistics would do if every single law-abiding citizen over the age 18 possessed a firearm and was forced to carry it everywhere.men and women.I suspect it might decline

Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 17, 2015, 03:58:18 PM
Please try to keep up.  Here is what I said:

"In Chicago alone there are over 50 gun murders/week"  You even quoted me, ha ha and now you are claiming I said 50 murders/day?

Go back and check my post, and then check your quote of my post....it said per week...not per day...there is a difference.

Quit trying to blame me for your reading mistakes

Bill

LOL!  ;D

I quoted you correctly in my first post prompted by your phony numbers...however...I made a terrible math error in that same post which you completely missed, it flew right over your head, in one ear and thru that vacuous void and out the other ear like a neutrino.  ;D ;D

Here are accurate murder numbers from Wiki. According to the article 75% are gun murders, which you specified. A typical year in recent history would be about 500 and 75% would be about 375. 

The numbers in brackets are footnote designations.

Quote
Homicides in Chicago in certain years
Number of homicides in Chicago by year

    1928: 498[21]
    1964: 390[22]
    1965: 396[22]
    1966: 512[23]
    1966: 510[24]
    1967: 548[25]
    1967: 522[26]
    1968: 645[27]
    1969: 715[28]
    1970: 810[29]
    1971: 824[30]
    1972: 711[31]
    1973: 862[32]
    1974: 970[33]
    1975: 818[34]
    1976: 814[35]
    1977: 823[36]

   

    1978: 787[37]
    1979: 856[38]
    1980: 863[39]
    1981: 877[40]
    1982: 668[41]
    1983: 729[42]
    1984: 741[43]
    1985: 666[44]
    1986: 744[45]
    1987: 691[46]
    1988: 660[47]
    1989: 742[48]
    1990: 851[49]
    1991: 928[50]
    1992: 943[50]

   

    1993: 855[50]
    1994: 931[50]
    1995: 828[50]
    1996: 796[50]
    1997: 761[50]
    1998: 704[50]
    1999: 643[50]
    2000: 633[50]
    2001: 667[50]
    2002: 656[50]
    2003: 601[50]
    2004: 453[50]
    2005: 451[50]
    2006: 471[50]
    2007: 448[50]

   

    2008: 513[50]
    2009: 459[50]
    2010: 436[50]
    2011: 435[50]
    2012: 516[51]
    2013: 441[52]
    2014: 432[52]

CANGAS 189

My IQ is not 189 either.  ;)

Quote from: CANGAS on October 17, 2015, 06:13:09 PM


LOL!  ;D

I quoted you correctly in my first post prompted by your phony numbers...however...I made a terrible math error in that same post which you completely missed, it flew right over your head, in one ear and thru that vacuous void and out the other ear like a neutrino.  ;D ;D

Here are accurate murder numbers from Wiki. According to the article 75% are gun murders, which you specified. A typical year in recent history would be about 500 and 75% would be about 375. 

The numbers in brackets are footnote designations.


CANGAS 188

My IQ is not 188 either.  ;)

So, you messed up and now it is my fault?  Great logic (or lack thereof) over there.

The link I posted, if you can read it, (no pictures, sorry) shows many months of over 300+ murders.  So, if you can do simple math, that would be 75/week.  I said about 50/week and you called that bogus and made up.

Everyone else that is interested here can look at the links I provided to see how you are now attempting to salvage some face from your poor reading skills.  Unless, of course, are you now claiming my estimates were too low?  I said 50/month and now you see it is over 75 during some months?  Is that why you think I am wrong?

Ha ha.  You are so full of crap...you have been busted for the buffoon that you are.  Nice job.  You did this yourself.

You claim I made the numbers up, then you get shown the sources for these numbers and now you said that you made a math error that I did not catch?  I did not even look at your math as I would not trust you to add 2+2.

So, once again you can see, as can everyone else, that you are wrong.

It is sad really.

Bill

Gee, here is that link you had trouble reading Cangas.  It shows many months over 300/month.

Yet, you still claim my numbers were bogus?  What the heck is the matter with you?  Do you have no reading skills?  Or comprehension?
You are the one that demanded I post a link to support my bogus claims.  Now that I have, for some reason, you don't seem to be able to be able to read what it says?  So, you post a Wiki, oh yes, that is totally accurate, ha ha.  My guess is the Chicago Tribune, since they are there in Chicago (please try to keep up) has the better info and statistics.

Once again, you have proven you just can not keep up with real facts.  You should really try reading, before inserting your foot into your mouth...yet again.

Bill

PS  Really, I mean no disrespect but, here are the numbers.  Why do you think I made up the numbers?  They are right here.

Quote
Crime in Chicago
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Chiraq" redirects here. For the upcoming Spike Lee film, see Chiraq (film).
Chicago
Crime rates (2014)
Crime type    Rate*
Homicide:    15.1
Forcible rape:    49.3**
Robbery:    359.9
Aggravated assault:    460.0
Total Violent crime:    884.3
Burglary:    533.6
Larceny-theft:    2224.6
Motor vehicle theft:    367.9
Arson:    16.9
Total Property crime:    3126.2
Notes
* Number of reported crimes per 100,000 population.
** Revised definition[1]
Source: FBI 2014 UCR data

Crime in Chicago has been tracked by the Chicago Police Department's Bureau of Records since the beginning of the 20th century.

Contents

    1 Overview
        1.1 Violent crime
            1.1.1 Murders
            1.1.2 Media Portrayal
            1.1.3 Homicides in Chicago in certain years
    2 Policing
    3 See also
    4 References
    5 Further reading
    6 External links

Overview

Chicago saw a major rise in violent crime starting in the late 1960s.[2] Murders in the city first peaked in 1974, with 970 murders when the city's population was over three million, resulting in a murder rate of around 29 per 100,000, and again in 1992, with 943 murders when the city had fewer than three million people, resulting in a murder rate of 34 murders per 100,000 citizens.

After 1992, the murder count decreased to 641 murders. The population was at 2,799,000 in 1999, so the decrease was slow, but still an improvement. In 2002, Chicago had fewer murders but a significantly higher murder rate than New York or Los Angeles.[3]
Violent crime
Violent crime rates by neighborhood.
Chicago police officers in Marquette Park.

Chicago experiences violent crime. It experienced a major rise in starting in the late 1960s,[4] a decline in overall crime in the 1990s,[5] and then a rebound in overall murders the mid-2010s.[6] Murder, rape, and robbery are common violent crimes in the city, and the occurrences of such incidents are documented by the Chicago Police Department and indexed in annual crime reports.[7]

After adopting crime-fighting techniques in 2004 that were recommended by the Los Angeles Police Department and the New York City Police Department,[8] Chicago recorded 448 homicides, the lowest total since 1965. This murder rate of 15.65 per 100,000 population is still above the U.S. average, an average which takes in many small towns and suburbs.[9]

This homicide rate is similar to that of Los Angeles in 2004 (13.4 per 100,000), and twice that of New York City (7.0 per 100,000). Chicago's homicide tally increased slightly in 2005 and 2006 to 450 and 467, respectively, though the overall crime rate in 2006 continued the downward trend that has taken place since the early 1990s, with 2.5% fewer violent crimes and 2.4% fewer property crimes compared to 2005.[10]

However, David Bernstein and Noah Isackson, of Chicago magazine, have challenged Chicago's homicide statistics, arguing that cases have been deliberately misclassified to lower the rate, particularly in 2013.[11]
Murders

According to the 2005 Homicide Report released by the Chicago Police Department, the murder clearance rate (in terms of an arrest being made within two years of the homicide) has dropped from over 70% for 1991 to under 60% for 2003. Summer months have significantly higher murder rates, and over 70% of murders take place between 7PM and 5AM. The percentage of murder offenders between 14 and 16 years of age has declined from a 1994 high of approximately 15% to approximately 6% in 2005.[12]

In 2005, 75% of murders involved a firearm, and 11% were the result of a stabbing. 41% Of domestic murders were stabbings. 10% Of murders in 2005 were the result of an armed robbery, 9% were of undetermined cause, and at least 30% were gang altercations. Over 40% of victims and 60% of offenders were between the ages of 17 and 25. 85% of victims and 93% of offenders were male. 76% Of victims 77.4% of offenders were African American, 18.3% were Hispanic (17.3% of offenders), and 5.6% were white (5.3% of offenders).[12]

The black murder victimization rate was approximately 34 per 100,000; the Hispanic rate was 11 per 100,000, and the white rate 3 per 100,000. Over 75% of victims and 88% of offenders had a prior arrest history. 11% Of armed robbery victims were female, 50% of domestic victims were female, and 7% of gang-related victims were female. 31% Of armed robbery victims were over 45 years old. 29% Of domestic-related murders were committed by women. From 1991 to 2005, 19.2% of armed robbery murder victims were white, and only 4.3% of armed robbery murder offenders were white.[12]

(2005) Victims of gang-related murders: 70% Black, 26% Hispanic, 3% White; 93% male. Offenders in gang-related murders: 76% African American, 20% Hispanic, 3% white; 99% male. Victims of domestic-related murders: 79% African American, 10% Hispanic, 11% white. Victims of armed robbery—related murders: 68% African American, 13% Hispanic, 19% white, 89% male. Offenders in armed robbery—related murders: 87% African American, 9% Hispanic, 4% white; 93% male.[12]

Murder rates in Chicago vary greatly depending on the neighborhood in question. Many neighborhoods on the South Side tend to be poorer, less educated, predominantly African American, and infested with street gangs.[13] The neighborhoods of Austin on the west side and Englewood on the near South Side, for example, have homicide rates that are 10 times higher than other parts of the city.[14] Violence in these neighborhoods has had a detrimental impact on the academic performance of children in schools, as well as a higher financial burden for school districts in need of counselors, social workers, and psychiatrists to help children cope with the violence.[15]
Media Portrayal
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Despite this, crime rate in Chicago has been the subject of substantial hyperbole. In the summer of 2012, many major media outlets compared the homicide rate in Chicago to that of the Holocaust and Afghanistan. One year, Chicago's murder rate was higher than Iraq's, which gave Chicago the nickname "Chiraq".[16] However, recent Chicago homicide rates are nowhere near those seen in the '70s, '80s and '90s. In fact, the past decade has logged some of the lowest annual rates since 1965. Gun violence is the leading factor of Chicago deaths, and the media portrays Chicago as one of the most, if not the most dangerous city in the United States of America, regardless of that information's accuracy.[17][18]

Despite Chicago's strict gun laws, many arms were trafficked in from surrounding municipalities or stolen from shipments. The New York Times constructed an info-graphic displaying this phenomenon.[19]

CBS explains in greater depth that Chicago violence has indeed decreased, no matter what the media projects the crime rates to be[20]
Homicides in Chicago in certain years
Number of homicides in Chicago by year

    1928: 498[21]
    1964: 390[22]
    1965: 396[22]
    1966: 512[23]
    1966: 510[24]
    1967: 548[25]
    1967: 522[26]
    1968: 645[27]
    1969: 715[28]
    1970: 810[29]
    1971: 824[30]
    1972: 711[31]
    1973: 862[32]
    1974: 970[33]
    1975: 818[34]
    1976: 814[35]
    1977: 823[36]

   

    1978: 787[37]
    1979: 856[38]
    1980: 863[39]
    1981: 877[40]
    1982: 668[41]
    1983: 729[42]
    1984: 741[43]
    1985: 666[44]
    1986: 744[45]
    1987: 691[46]
    1988: 660[47]
    1989: 742[48]
    1990: 851[49]
    1991: 928[50]
    1992: 943[50]

   

    1993: 855[50]
    1994: 931[50]
    1995: 828[50]
    1996: 796[50]
    1997: 761[50]
    1998: 704[50]
    1999: 643[50]
    2000: 633[50]
    2001: 667[50]
    2002: 656[50]
    2003: 601[50]
    2004: 453[50]
    2005: 451[50]
    2006: 471[50]
    2007: 448[50]

   

    2008: 513[50]
    2009: 459[50]
    2010: 436[50]
    2011: 435[50]
    2012: 516[51]
    2013: 441[52]
    2014: 432[52]

Policing
Main article: Chicago Police Department
A Chicago police officer on a Segway

Chicago was among one of the first U.S. cities to build an integrated emergency response center to coordinate the city's response to natural disasters, gang violence, and terrorist attacks. Built in 1995, the center is integrated with more than 2000 cameras, communications with all levels of city government, and a direct link to the National Counterterrorism Center. Police credited surveillance cameras with contributing to decreased crime in 2004.[53]

Recently installed anti-crime cameras are capable of pinpointing gunshot sounds, calculating where the shots were fired, and pointing and zooming the cameras in the direction of the shots within a two-block radius.[53] Since surveillance cameras have been placed in high-crime areas, some Chicagoans feel uneasy about being so closely watched,[citation needed] but others believe their streets are safer.[who?]

Because the Chicago Police Department tallies data differently than police in other cities, the FBI often does not accept their crime statistics. Chicago police officers record all criminal sexual assaults, as opposed to only rape. They count aggravated battery together with the standard category of aggravated assault. As a result, Chicago is often omitted from studies such as Morgan Quitno's annual "Safest/Most Dangerous City" survey, which relies on FBI-collected data.[54]

The Chicago Police Department developed a tool to assist city residents in problem-solving and combating crime and disorder in their neighborhoods. It is based upon the CLEAR (Citizen Law Enforcement Analysis and Reporting) system developed by the Department for use by its police officers. This web application enables citizens to search the Chicago Police Department's database of reported crime. Individuals will be able to see maps, graphs, and tables of reported crime. The database contains 90 days of information, which can be accessed in blocks of up to 14 days. Data is refreshed daily. However, the most recent information is always 6 days old.
See also

    Organized crime in Chicago
    Kids Off The Block

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    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/29/us/where-50000-guns-in-chicago-came-from.html?_r=0
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/07/30/despite-media-coverage-chicago-violence-down-significantly-from-20-years-ago/
    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=19300307&id=x-kxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uuIFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3144,1279276
    Chicago Police Annual Report 1965
    Chicago Police Annual Report 1966
    The Milwaukee Journal JAN 5 1968
    Chicago Police Annual Report 1967
    The Milwaukee Journal JAN 5 1968
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    Chicago Police Annual Report 1969
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CANGAS 191

Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 17, 2015, 03:58:18 PM
Please try to keep up.  Here is what I said:

"In Chicago alone there are over 50 gun murders/week"  You even quoted me, ha ha and now you are claiming I said 50 murders/day?

Go back and check my post, and then check your quote of my post....it said per week...not per day...there is a difference.

Quit trying to blame me for your reading mistakes

Bill

Bill pi, I have a job for you.

You go back and check your Chicago Trib article. Perhaps it shows gun SHOOTINGS.

On the other hand, you are raving and writing and quoting yourself and babbling about gun MURDERS.

There is a difference.

CANGAS 192

Now....gold from bismuth, anyone?

CANGAS 193

Pirate, everything that you are saying only points that guns are killing a lot of people. NOT!! that guns are saving a lot of people. Now take away those guns and see how many people die from knife stabbing?

I have done research on the evolution of guns. I know how it started from the "gun powder" from the Chinese. And the primitive guns that used gun power in the barrel like cannons and lit up with a flint. Then someone thought about putting all of that in a bullet and they could reload faster which won many wars.

My point is that GUNS KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN PROTECT. They where designed to kill and not to defend the common user. Like I said, get rid of the guns, and then see how many people die a week in Chicago from guns?

I still know this is a thread regarding turning bismuth into gold which I doubt. It could be done, but what I ask myself...has anyone "reverse engineered" gold itself? Would it not be easier to make gold in a lab from the ingredients it is made from than to turn bismuth to gold? What's your opinion on that profitis/pirate...and please put your gun away! You might shoot yourself in the foot. 

" Like I said, get rid of the guns, and then see how many people die a week in Chicago from guns?"


Those were illegal guns doing all the gun-crime stats.you cannot possibly stop guns falling into hands of a guy seeking to buy one underground.a total ban on weapons will not effect those stats. 

"I still know this is a thread regarding turning bismuth into gold which I doubt. It could be done, but what I ask myself...has anyone "reverse engineered" gold itself? Would it not be easier to make gold in a lab from the ingredients it is made from than to turn bismuth to gold? What's your opinion on that profitis/pirate...and please put your gun away!"

Oh so you wana stop fighting now I haven't finnished with you yet.I'm gona punch you in the nose 6 times quik BAM! and drag you to the shop and throw you through the glass window.then I'm gona grip my fist on your hair and push your head into the toilet and keep it there guuuurggguuurrrgguuurrggg..I wonder what the crime stats on drowning by hand are lol I just added another

Quote from: joel321 on October 17, 2015, 11:20:49 PM
Pirate, everything that you are saying only points that guns are killing a lot of people. NOT!! that guns are saving a lot of people. Now take away those guns and see how many people die from knife stabbing?

I have done research on the evolution of guns. I know how it started from the "gun powder" from the Chinese. And the primitive guns that used gun power in the barrel like cannons and lit up with a flint. Then someone thought about putting all of that in a bullet and they could reload faster which won many wars.

My point is that GUNS KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN PROTECT. They where designed to kill and not to defend the common user. Like I said, get rid of the guns, and then see how many people die a week in Chicago from guns?

I still know this is a thread regarding turning bismuth into gold which I doubt. It could be done, but what I ask myself...has anyone "reverse engineered" gold itself? Would it not be easier to make gold in a lab from the ingredients it is made from than to turn bismuth to gold? What's your opinion on that profitis/pirate...and please put your gun away! You might shoot yourself in the foot.

Joel:

Ummm...all of those shootings and murders are taking place in a gun free zone.  This means that guns have already been banned in Chicago for the average person.  Just like the school shootings...gun free zones.  The only ones with the guns are the crazy, criminals that do not pay attention to laws.  So, you have to ask yourself, do you want to be able to protect yourself from these folks?  This is exactly why gun free zones, towns, cities, and states do not work...ever.  It is not like it has not been tried.  All of the high shooting/murder rate states/cities are the ones where the average citizen can not own nor carry a gun.

Go figure.  Also, in places where everyone carries a gun...guess what?  The shooting/murder rate is 0. (Or nearly 0 in most cases)
I wonder why that is?

Bill

QuoteUmmm...all of those shootings and murders are taking place in a gun free zone.  This means that guns have already been banned in Chicago for the average person.  Just like the school shootings...gun free zones.  The only ones with the guns are the crazy, criminals that do not pay attention to laws.  So, you have to ask yourself, do you want to be able to protect yourself from these folks?  This is exactly why gun free zones, towns, cities, and states do not work...ever.  It is not like it has not been tried.  All of the high shooting/murder rate states/cities are the ones where the average citizen can not own nor carry a gun.

Go figure.  Also, in places where everyone carries a gun...guess what?  The shooting/murder rate is 0. (Or nearly 0 in most cases)
I wonder why that is?

hehehe the difference between you and me is that I am able to "see the whole picture" and get past the bullshit. I have been fed bullshit all of my life that I have grown to see it before it gets too far. What you are basically saying is something not complicated in the ULTIMATE SOLUTION but just something that you don't understand like a deer caught in the headlights of a car (or JB weld fixes everything). This is easy....take 20 people in a village 10 are allowed to have guns and 10 are not....now who is the political leader? The ones with guns or the ones out out guns? Now who owns more land? The ones with guns or the ones with out guns? Now who is more correct in a debate/argument? The ones with guns or the ones with out? Now this is simple =corruption-corrupts-absolutely. This means that the 10 people with out guns will get eradicated by the gun. Then we have a new "rule-order" that those with guns survive. This means that there will be an artificial battle of who has the biggest gun. = gun wars Blah blah blah blah...

Unconsciously, you are showing that guns are killing people in gun-free zones. And then your solution is to gun those gun-free zone guns to stop it. BUT you fail to see that their will only be gun with gun shooting. You fail to see that the answer is to get rid of the guns once and for all since they where made for war...point black (no pun intended).

What type of gun do you own?

Does your gun can really defend you from other gun bullets?

QuoteOh so you wana stop fighting now I haven't finnished with you yet.I'm gona punch you in the nose 6 times quik BAM! and drag you to the shop and throw you through the glass window.then I'm gona grip my fist on your hair and push your head into the toilet and keep it there guuuurggguuurrrgguuurrggg..I wonder what the crime stats on drowning by hand are lol I just added another

Well at least you are not shooting bullets at me. Even if you own one, I'm sure you would feel sad if you shot at your computer screen and kill from disagreeing on posters going against you.

Hey punch me all you want, I can take the pain. It is mostly mental and adrenaline...plus a little of ingenuity and quick witted. I see hand to hand combat as any other animal fighting for survival. How do animals evolved the "fight"? This evolution passed along the martial arts...or guns. Hehehe I'm more scared at breaking your bones than you breaking mine :P. You know why I love that...because that shuts people up really quick with out moderators on forums....it kind of just gives them a wake up call. This is raw man to man fighting for reproducing when it comes to fight for females. Or when a female fights to defend her kids. Prifitis, let me tell you one thing, I respectfully would kick your ass on a ring both wearing boxing gloves and with a referee involved. I would knock you out easy! :P

Quote from: joel321 on October 19, 2015, 03:58:08 AM
Well at least you are not shooting bullets at me. Even if you own one, I'm sure you would feel sad if you shot at your computer screen and kill from disagreeing on posters going against you.

Hey punch me all you want, I can take the pain. It is mostly mental and adrenaline...plus a little of ingenuity and quick witted. I see hand to hand combat as any other animal fighting for survival. How do animals evolved the "fight"? This evolution passed along the martial arts...or guns. Hehehe I'm more scared at breaking your bones than you breaking mine :P. You know why I love that...because that shuts people up really quick with out moderators on forums....it kind of just gives them a wake up call. This is raw man to man fighting for reproducing when it comes to fight for females. Or when a female fights to defend her kids. Prifitis, let me tell you one thing, I respectfully would kick your ass on a ring both wearing boxing gloves and with a referee involved. I would knock you out easy! :P
[/quote

please, go get some much needed professional behavioral therapy.
you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper IP address, more reason why you won't be giving profitus a location and time to perform any such civic duty.
too bad the victims of a small moroccan town that were taken advantage of by the coaches of the qeg team are going to have to continue waiting for their working water well, because people such as joel210 think he is so cool and such a tough guy by unapologetically showing support to scammers and going on and on about wealth and millions of dollars in forums rather than going after the scumbag ripoff artists instead, scam supporting affiliates such as usa soil residing arron mellieac or whateverhisname is from manfest destiny triforce, and witt's, bunch of useless online scamming wimps.

no time or exact location to be expected in the online tough guys response, what would be expected is a lot of backpeddling and appologies from scammers and their gutless to meet in person paid affiliates if they actually had the guts to follow through.

next.

"Prifitis, let me tell you one thing, I respectfully would kick your ass on a ring both wearing boxing gloves and with a referee involved. I would knock you out easy! :P"

I wonder I wonder..what's your weight/height son.I'm a rough thoroughly trained for survival in the ghettos and bush of africa son I've got an excellent physique,fast,agile,muscular like putin.I walk everywhere.I swim everywhere.if you're a trained boxer maybe you have more weight than me but I definitely got more lightning-speeds than you bro I'l bounce around you and land concentrated smacks-cracks and fast.I'm no classique science-nerd  bra ima take my money back from you yes I will yes I will

Quote from: joel321 on October 19, 2015, 03:36:38 AM


I have been fed bullshit all of my life...

I would get a new chef if I were you.

Quote

What type of gun do you own?

It is not smart to disclose publically what weapons one owns these days.  Let's just say I am well protected.


Bill

QuoteI wonder I wonder..what's your weight/height son.I'm a rough thoroughly trained for survival in the ghettos and bush of africa son I've got an excellent physique,fast,agile,muscular like putin.I walk everywhere.I swim everywhere.if you're a trained boxer maybe you have more weight than me but I definitely got more lightning-speeds than you bro I'l bounce around you and land concentrated smacks-cracks and fast.I'm no classique science-nerd  bra ima take my money back from you yes I will yes I will

Through out my years of learning and understanding I have learned that everyone always has a weakness. Even myself. SOOO no matter what you say, you have a weakness somewhere in your physical abilities. That is 1000% true. Now my only job is to UNDERSTAND your weakness and then attack that physical area and BOOM! Down goes profitis.

Fight hand to hand combat, you will win maybe once...but I will win 9 times. You would not want to fight me anymore. I know this from personal experience. Fighting is like doing science or playing checkers = you have to be clear headed and not scared. Scaring the opponent from the start makes them tremble in fear and an easy prey.

You want to talk about physique? Every day I work, I work harder to work out. I ask people to punch me in the arms with all of their strength so that I can feel to take the pain. I have not cried since 10 years ago because crying is weak. The more I feel pain the more closer I feel to death and the more I fight. Pain fulls my abilities in hand to hand combat. Since I will not die in hand to hand combat, I will comeback again and again. :) But then we should become friends profitis. Because that is how evolution works. Positive – negative. Good Vs evil. Yin and yang. Now to get past the point of all of this testosterone profitis....lets talks back to you playing with bismuth? Have you made gold from bismuth? DO you think you can make gold from bismuth like the OP suggests? :)

QuoteIt is not smart to disclose publically what weapons one owns these days.  Let's just say I am well protected.

I think as long as no one is targeting you, you are safe. When someone does, no gun can protect you.

My main point is that guns where only made in war! They where designed to kill people most efficiently. They where not designed for the average pirate users to defend themselves from ill minded people. They where designed by war/army to be very efficient at killing people. World wide all have agreed not to use nuclear guns to fight wars because nuclear weapons can pretty much burn your gun in to little pieces along with your body and 20 square miles from your house. So that is a "peace treaty" but then there is no peace treaty to just stop fighting once and for all? The way I see world wars is the way I see children in a classroom. The rulers are the teachers in a "school" and the teachers argue for whatever reason. Teachers declaring war on other teachers WHERE the only victims are the children. That's just childish! SO when you are trying to compare guns to guns, that's just childish pirate. I wanted to buy a 4 thousand machine gun but then I thought to myself, where would I use it? Point being, if I wanted to have a competition of who has the biggest gun, or better aim, I feel like I would from yours. Owning a gun is a lie of safety because you have no other way to protect yourself and your mind beliefs just with bullets you have lived this far...how do you kill diabetes with a bullet? Ehhh right! Killing you slowly...a slow bullet!

"Have you made gold from bismuth? DO you think you can make gold from bismuth like the OP suggests? :)"

I have not begun to run such tests no I've got to be shoved in a well-equiped lab to do such tests adequetly and efficiently and yes I suspect there's many routes to transmutation from crap via lenr.one would have to play around in a damn good lab until one hits the jackpot with this one.maybe a bit of tweaking here,tweaking there and voila,you tilt past the profit/loss margin.now this may sound like something out of kid's fairytale book but there are indications that a few companies are heavily invested in this very area of research.

Quote from: joel321 on October 20, 2015, 04:36:36 AM
I think as long as no one is targeting you, you are safe. When someone does, no gun can protect you.

My main point is that guns where only made in war! They where designed to kill people most efficiently. They where not designed for the average pirate users to defend themselves from ill minded people. They where designed by war/army to be very efficient at killing people. World wide all have agreed not to use nuclear guns to fight wars because nuclear weapons can pretty much burn your gun in to little pieces along with your body and 20 square miles from your house. So that is a "peace treaty" but then there is no peace treaty to just stop fighting once and for all? The way I see world wars is the way I see children in a classroom. The rulers are the teachers in a "school" and the teachers argue for whatever reason. Teachers declaring war on other teachers WHERE the only victims are the children. That's just childish! SO when you are trying to compare guns to guns, that's just childish pirate. I wanted to buy a 4 thousand machine gun but then I thought to myself, where would I use it? Point being, if I wanted to have a competition of who has the biggest gun, or better aim, I feel like I would from yours. Owning a gun is a lie of safety because you have no other way to protect yourself and your mind beliefs just with bullets you have lived this far...how do you kill diabetes with a bullet? Ehhh right! Killing you slowly...a slow bullet!

Blah, blah, blah.  Spoken like someone who does not know the history, nor the first thing about guns.  Joel, did you know that I can easily kill a man with just one finger?  Yes, that is totally true.  You claim that a person can't protect themselves against someone that wants to kill them, yet, I can do so using only 1 finger.  Martial arts training?  No.  It is my trigger finger.  It works and it protects me and my loved ones.

So, please learn something of the history of guns, and how they are really used in this country, before making such ignorant postings.

Thank you,

Bill

PS  I used to do Executive Protection which is protecting folks from other folks that want to kill them.  I never lost a single client.  So...see?  Once again you are totally incorrect.

Quoteow this may sound like something out of kid's fairytale book but there are indications that a few companies are heavily invested in this very area of research.

hehehe, how much is a pound of bismuth?

And from that Lb of bismuth, how much gold does your "theory" or "belief" believes gold will come out of it? It can't be 100% bismuth in and 100% gold out?

Have you thought about it that far or will do jumping jacks when 1lb bismuth gives two grams of gold?

QuoteJoel, did you know that I can easily kill a man with just one finger?

Is this even a question to ask after I told you the history of the bullet? Well, bill, I did not know that please explain. lol

That is the problem! Who are you to decide!! to take a persons life before a court of law? Ohhh...law gun excuses will call it "accidental" shooting! Or self defense and then move one while someone is literally dead covered with a blanket.

QuoteSo, please learn something of the history of guns, and how they are really used in this country, before making such ignorant postings.

WOW! Didn't I mentioned that guns where made ONLY for war? Now I find it weird that scared civilians thought that they where made so bill could protect himself from an imaginary protection.

You are another point down from feeling like you have some knowledge behind you bill. First JB weld now this? GUNS WHERE MADE FOR WAR!!! now of course gun makers need to make money too like tobacco companies too. Then you have the tobacco addicts defending the company because they feel it is needed for some reason or another.

QuotePS  I used to do Executive Protection which is protecting folks from other folks that want to kill them.  I never lost a single client.  So...see?  Once again you are totally incorrect.

Face palm, STEP OUTSIDE YOUR BUBBLE and now tell me how many lives have gun killed world wide? Now compare that with:

-hand on hand fight.

-rock on rock fight.

-bow and arrow fight.

-knife and k knife fight.

Let me do the math for you "intelligent" bill, Guns!

Watch lisa haven trying to come up with excuses. https://youtu.be/SwNjT7kJJaQ

PS. why do you think people sell guns? To make money? Because they care about you?

Quote from: joel321 on October 23, 2015, 01:56:09 AM
Is this even a question to ask after I told you the history of the bullet? Well, bill, I did not know that please explain. lol

That is the problem! Who are you to decide!! to take a persons life before a court of law? Ohhh...law gun excuses will call it "accidental" shooting! Or self defense and then move one while someone is literally dead covered with a blanket.

WOW! Didn't I mentioned that guns where made ONLY for war? Now I find it weird that scared civilians thought that they where made so bill could protect himself from an imaginary protection.

You are another point down from feeling like you have some knowledge behind you bill. First JB weld now this? GUNS WHERE MADE FOR WAR!!! now of course gun makers need to make money too like tobacco companies too. Then you have the tobacco addicts defending the company because they feel it is needed for some reason or another.


Face palm, STEP OUTSIDE YOUR BUBBLE and now tell me how many lives have gun killed world wide? Now compare that with:

-hand on hand fight.

-rock on rock fight.

-bow and arrow fight.

-knife and k knife fight.

Let me do the math for you "intelligent" bill, Guns!

Watch lisa haven trying to come up with excuses. https://youtu.be/SwNjT7kJJaQ (https://youtu.be/SwNjT7kJJaQ)

PS. why do you think people sell guns? To make money? Because they care about you?

Maybe someone with a gun will save your life one day Joel...then again, maybe they won't.  Remember, ignorance is no defense.
You have demonstrated very well that you have no knowledge of guns, or bullets, or their history.
Do some research and get back to us.  Also, please check out JB Weld's website.  It is also obvious that you could learn a lot from them.

Bill

QuoteMaybe someone with a gun will save your life one day Joel...then again, maybe they won't.  Remember, ignorance is no defense.

I am more likely to die from a car crash (or a mosquito bite-virus) than from a bullet where I live.

QuoteYou have demonstrated very well that you have no knowledge of guns, or bullets, or their history.

yawn!!! Chinese gun powder...canons, flint guns...bullet...atomic bomb..MEH!

Do you want me to teach you how guns work too? They are simple cheap deadly (efficient) objects that kill with no forgiveness = made for war. Been knowing this for yearssssss http://www.businessinsider.com/these-amazing-gifs-show-how-a-handgun-works-2015-2 but I guess you can see inside my mind with your little snarky no sense nor logic responses. :P

QuoteDo some research and get back to us.  Also, please check out JB Weld's website.  It is also obvious that you could learn a lot from them.

You have demonstrated that you don't know how to differentiate humor from seriousness. Also, to understand stuff outside your own personal bubble. And I think i'm just wasting time responding to you...I mean....how hard is it to understand the history of the evolution of bullets and guns? And just because someone does not understand the history of guns or bullets means they will go against bullets and guns? You logic does not add up at all :P

Lets try this again bill.

How many deaths from:

-Hand to hand fight?
-rock on rock fight?
-knife on knife fight?
-gun to gun fight?

Lets see you do the real world graph instead of pulling logic out of your lalaland? Get real bill. You are trying to hard to speak about something that you have no understanding about.

Joel:

Never bring a rock or a knife to a gun fight.  Good advice for you...it might save your life one day.

Once you understand guns, and how to use them properly, then you will no longer be afraid of them.  You can learn this.
You can take gun training from a qualified professional and, after a few years of study and hard work, you will realize that a gun is just a tool, like a screwdriver or JB Weld.  Your fear of guns will vanish.

Bill

QuoteNever bring a rock or a knife to a gun fight.  Good advice for you...it might save your life one day.

What makes you think I don't own guns? I have taken them all apart and they are nothing but springs and metal. I even own bow and arrows plus BB guns. I understand how all of them work. I also understand that a rock is deadlier VS someone who does not have a rock nor a gun but just body strength. If you have guns and want to actually fight me, I would ask myself why does this guy want to fight me first?

QuoteOnce you understand guns, and how to use them properly, then you will no longer be afraid of them.  You can learn this.

Wut! I never said I was afraid of them. I'm more concerned about the chicken with a gun that will kill people when spooked.

QuoteYou can take gun training from a qualified professional and, after a few years of study and hard work, you will realize that a gun is just a tool, like a screwdriver or JB Weld.  Your fear of guns will vanish.

Oh really! I guess I don't know why I have a carry reconciled license. Teach me more! Bill. Lol everything that you say is old stuff! Sorry to bring up your age but I'm in my 30's and you are in your 60's...I figured you be more intelligent than me since I am here in a forum about FREEE energy but then again I guess this forum is your way to "socialize" with others instead of talking about real world scenarios.

Seriously, if you are putting up a debate, this is just weak bill. Show me proof of what you are saying besides just saying "well I own a gun and I'm alive so it must work 100%" That is just crap!

And remember we are in a sub-forum about turning bismuth into gold....LET ME HEAR YOUR "INTELLIGENT" OPINION REGARDING THAT? Lol OHHH!!!! show me how to JB weld gold!!! lol 8)

Joel:

I am not in my 60's.  I do not know where you got the idea that I was.

Let us not rush things.

Bill

^How old are you?  ???

"hehehe, how much is a pound of bismuth?"

Fixed at about 5dollar/pound.cheaper than I thought.


"And from that Lb of bismuth, how much gold does
your "theory" or "belief" believes gold will come out
of it? It can't be 100% bismuth in and 100% gold out?"

let's do a quick calculation.if one pound bismuth is 5dollar and one gram gold is 20dollar then you'l only need to convert that entire pound of bismuth into one or two gram to be in buisness. production costs will be a pain in the neck,have to subtract that.

"Have you thought about it that far or will do jumping
jacks when 1lb bismuth gives two grams of gold?"

All boils down to production costs I guess.every lab will have its own methods/secrets.this might turn into a big headache for the elites one day,imagine,gold becomes cheap due to clandestine overproduction