I would appreciate any serious/engineering knowledge based comments on the working of this device. Hack comments are always ignored.
Thank you, Russ.
Quote from: Russ Lee on November 10, 2015, 10:51:54 AM
I would appreciate any serious/engineering knowledge based comments on the working of this device. Hack comments are always ignored.
Thank you, Russ.
Russ
It would help for a link or pic of the (this device) power multiplier as in the title.
Alan
Alan,
The site is on the same page as this is.
It is named " Power Multiplier Device, last resize (I hope)."
Thanks, Russ
Quote from: AB Hammer on November 11, 2015, 08:57:26 AM
Russ
It would help for a link or pic of the (this device) power multiplier as in the title.
Alan
Quote from: Russ Lee on November 12, 2015, 10:38:05 AM
Alan,
The site is on the same page as this is.
It is named " Power Multiplier Device, last resize (I hope)."
Thanks, Russ
Same page as what is? You really need to post a link if you want someone to comment!
Ok I found it. You mean in this forum section about gravity machines. You would probably have gotten a better response by just adding a post to the thread you already have. Then no one would have had to go looking for it. You asked for qualified engineers to reply so I will keep my thoughts about your design to myself.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Russ Lee
I have pulled your picture and changed the arrows at the top pulley to correct a conflict of direction.
Now what you are doing is depending on the ability of the little motor to get OU out of your generator. I don't see OU out of this device at this time for by the time you get to your generator, it would be so slow there would not be a gain. This is of course from your picture evaluation. If there is anything more that could help your idea? please explain.
Alan
Quote from: AB Hammer on November 13, 2015, 01:49:49 PM
Russ Lee
I have pulled your picture and changed the arrows at the top pulley to correct a conflict of direction.
Now what you are doing is depending on the ability of the little motor to get OU out of your generator. I don't see OU out of this device at this time for by the time you get to your generator, it would be so slow there would not be a gain. This is of course from your picture evaluation. If there is anything more that could help your idea? please explain.
AB,
I appreciate your comments very much.
The arrows on the original picture were correct, as the whole assembly pulls down on the chain the top and bottom sprockets will rotate clockwise.
With the large bicycle-type wheel having a wide diameter, it's radius will act as a lever so that a
200 lb. pull on it's belt by the small motor pull a 2000 lb. assembly up the chain.
As the assembly is climbing, it's weight is still pulling down on the chain (like a 2000 lb. man climbing the chain), so that even as it is going up the chain (by the small motor), it is pulling down on the chain and charging a full charge into the battery.
On the climb the small motor is drawing energy from the battery to power a 200 lb. pull, all the while the 2000 lb. assembly is producing energy back into the battery with it's 2000 lb. pull.
At the top the small motor shuts off and the assembly slowely creeps down, charging a full charge into the battery the whole time.
The equation is not that the down energy generated is greater than the up energy drawn from the battery, but that the energy drawn for the small motor is less than the energy sum generated from both the climb and the descent.
Russ
Alan
QuoteAB,
I appreciate your comments very much.
The arrows on the original picture were correct, as the whole assembly pulls down on the chain the top and bottom sprockets will rotate clockwise.
With the large bicycle-type wheel having a wide diameter, it's radius will act as a lever so that a
200 lb. pull on it's belt by the small motor pull a 2000 lb. assembly up the chain.
As the assembly is climbing, it's weight is still pulling down on the chain (like a 2000 lb. man climbing the chain), so that even as it is going up the chain (by the small motor), it is pulling down on the chain and charging a full charge into the battery.
On the climb the small motor is drawing energy from the battery to power a 200 lb. pull, all the while the 2000 lb. assembly is producing energy back into the battery with it's 2000 lb. pull.
At the top the small motor shuts off and the assembly slowely creeps down, charging a full charge into the battery the whole time.
The equation is not that the down energy generated is greater than the up energy drawn from the battery, but that the energy drawn for the small motor is less than the energy sum generated from both the climb and the descent.
Russ
Russ
I was in a bit of a hurry when I posted. I have cleared up a bit on your drawing for the direction I posted was clued from the arrows pointing up which I circled in this update. The closer to the drive point takes less stress off the line due to distance to the genorator. Also shorten your distance to your pulley for the length will have no improvement for you still have to lift or push a balanced system, so no gain from gravity available from what you have drawn. So your hopes are the efficient of your motors and generator for any possible OU in this system.
Oh yes one more thing. With the generator to your battery without a bit of regulation and IF! you achieve OU? Your battery will overcharge and burn out or even could blow up.
Also you need to look up Chas Campbell for further inspiration. (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0CAUQjhxqFQoTCMezmdC8kMkCFQkvJgoduxAMmw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpeswiki.com%2Findex.php%2FDirectory%3AChas_Campbell_Generator&psig=AFQjCNFdLRC6npZ9pIORFCaYNZziThDxpA&ust=1447609729582805&cad=rja)
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Alan
Quote from: AB Hammer on November 14, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Russ
I was in a bit of a hurry when I posted. I have cleared up a bit on your drawing for the direction I posted was clued from the arrows pointing up which I circled in this update. The closer to the drive point takes less stress off the line due to distance to the genorator. Also shorten your distance to your pulley for the length will have no improvement for you still have to lift or push a balanced system, so no gain from gravity available from what you have drawn. So your hopes are the efficient of your motors and generator for any possible OU in this system.
Oh yes one more thing. With the generator to your battery without a bit of regulation and IF! you achieve OU? Your battery will overcharge and burn out or even could blow up.
Also you need to look up Chas Campbell for further inspiration. (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0CAUQjhxqFQoTCMezmdC8kMkCFQkvJgoduxAMmw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpeswiki.com%2Findex.php%2FDirectory%3AChas_Campbell_Generator&psig=AFQjCNFdLRC6npZ9pIORFCaYNZziThDxpA&ust=1447609729582805&cad=rja)[/url]
Alan
Yikes brother!
The way it works it that the small motor turns the large bicycle-type wheel CLOCKWISE, to the right, so that the small drive sprocket (attached to the same axle as the large wheel) turns clockwise also to climb the chain.
As it climbs, taking the assembly with it, the weight of the assembly is what is pulling down on the chain to turn the generator to produce energy. Both upper and lower sprockets also turn clockwise with the chain as it is pulled down. When the small motor reaches the top it shuts off and the whole assembly creeps down, generating more energy until it reaches the bottom where the small motor turns on again to take it all back to the top.
QuoteAlan
Yikes brother!
The way it works it that the small motor turns the large bicycle-type wheel CLOCKWISE, to the right, so that the small drive sprocket (attached to the same axle as the large wheel) turns clockwise also to climb the chain.
As it climbs, taking the assembly with it, the weight of the assembly is what is pulling down on the chain to turn the generator to produce energy. Both upper and lower sprockets also turn clockwise with the chain as it is pulled down. When the small motor reaches the top it shuts off and the whole assembly creeps down, generating more energy until it reaches the bottom where the small motor turns on again to take it all back to the top.
Russ
LOL You are missing it. There is no possible gain unless your smaller motor and your generator already have it already as if it was directly attached. The rest is just extra movement and will cause more friction in the system.
Quote from: AB Hammer on November 16, 2015, 01:28:24 PM
Russ
LOL You are missing it. There is no possible gain unless your smaller motor and your generator already have it already as if it was directly attached. The rest is just extra movement and will cause more friction in the system.
You have already stated that since I ask for qualified engineers you would keep your comments to yourself.
You have already proved you have little engineering knowledge because this simple mechanism had to be explained to you several times. You changed arrows to move the wrong way because you did not understand the design, but thought you did.
You are one of this site troublemakers, this game of yours is lame, I'm sorry that you need to do it.
Russ
Actually I was the one that said I would keep my comments to myself because I wasn't an engineer. I have though worked as an industrial maintenance technician for many years so I think I have a good idea about how things mechanical work.
You have stated the small motor will raise the 2000 pound weight to the top and then turn off and as it goes back down it will cause the chain to turn the wheel with the generator. What you are overlooking is if the 2000 pound weight can turn the generator then the weight will NEVER climb up the chain. As the small motor turns the wheel and sprocket it will only pull the chain down and NOT pull the 2000 pound weight up.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Quote from: Russ Lee on November 17, 2015, 10:37:32 AM
You have already stated that since I ask for qualified engineers you would keep your comments to yourself.
You have already proved you have little engineering knowledge because this simple mechanism had to be explained to you several times. You changed arrows to move the wrong way because you did not understand the design, but thought you did.
You are one of this site troublemakers, this game of yours is lame, I'm sorry that you need to do it.
Russ
First line, Wrong person
second line, You showed you have little engineering with such a lacking design. (Outside of myself not completing the first correction of your already conflicting arrows on the drawing for I was in a rush) I was showing you some simple flaws in your approach in the best correction of direction. For instance. Take a hundred pound weight and attach a 12 ft rope. Pull the weight from 2 ft away and then 12 ft away. Due to the distance you will get tired faster trying to pull from 12 ft away due to friction. You always want any device to pull closer to the object to get less friction. But a chain on 2 pulleys and around back up has absolutely no possible gain, so their is no need. Your simple system shows it didn't need it for it would not help. You need to open your ears and here what people are saying. I pointed to Chas Campbell for all you are really trying to do is replace a flywheel with a chain.
Third line outlined in red, You are sounding like a sock puppet of someone who has been banned from here with how you wrote it.
I have tried to help you but there seems to be have no room in your mind. To beat this game you must have an open mind.
One other thing. Learn how to post quotes and quit adding your writing inside them for it just look bad on your possible intelligence.
Sorry I had to come down on you but I don't like talking to a wall. Then talked down to from it.
It is not done and proved until it is done and proved. Proof belongs to the person who claims so now it is your turn to prove me wrong.
To state the obvious.
The radius of the large wheel will act as a lever to allow a 200 pound pull by the small motor (on the belt/chain around the large wheel) to raise the whole assembly weighing 2000 lbs up the main chain. Just as pushing down on a lever with a 200 lb. push will allow for the movement of a 2000 lb weight.
The ratio is between the large radius of the wheel, and the small radius of the drive sprocket/gear seated in the main chain, seeing they share the same axle.
Mistakes can come by being in a hurry once, but not twice. The first edit is a mistake, the second an indication. Both edits are incorrect.
Apologies to Citfta.
citfta
Quote from: Russ Lee on November 18, 2015, 11:28:31 AM
To state the obvious.
The radius of the large wheel will act as a lever to allow a 200 pound pull by the small motor (on the belt/chain around the large wheel) to raise the whole assembly weighing 2000 lbs up the main chain. Just as pushing down on a lever with a 200 lb. push will allow for the movement of a 2000 lb weight.
The ratio is between the large radius of the wheel, and the small radius of the drive sprocket/gear seated in the main chain, seeing they share the same axle.
Mistakes can come by being in a hurry once, but not twice. The first edit is a mistake, the second an indication. Both edits are incorrect.
Apologies to Citfta.
citfta
Well Russ, Just build it and prove you are correct. But as for your drawing you already had conflicting arrows as shown in your original drawing. 2 arrows going the wrong way for what you want it to go.
Also you post as
Russ Lee not
Citfta LOLhttp://overunity.com/16108/power-multiplier-device-last-resize-i-hope/
Shouldn't anything on overunity.com have more magnets in it...isn't there a minimum number of magnets to be accepted here?