This is a must read for anyone interested in energy research.
Might create a robust discussion.
http://revolution-green.com/some-energy-basics/
It was by Simon D
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
The simple answer to the question where energy comes from:
all energy comes from the sun and to put it in a cosmological context, all energy comes from the stars.
Just view the stars as hot fires and the space in between stars is cold. Heat can flow from the hot stars to cold space.
And everything (all atoms) is produced from that. Stars eventually explode as super novae (producing heavier atoms) or become black holes.
Eventually all stars will burn out. But this will be a while.
And here on earth, the only big energy source is of course the sun. And the sun will burn a few more billion years.
All life on earth is driven by the sun (plant growth) and also the weather (wind).
So, stick with the sun and you will have plenty of energy (photo voltaic, heat from sun light, wind energy).
On a human scale we have free energy from the sun, at least for a few more billion years.
It is only a political question whether we use the sun or burn oil and gas. And if we recognise the potential of the sun, we have plenty of energy here on earth. Just take it. The technology is available (photo voltaic, wind power, water power, gas from composting plants), we just have to implement it.
Life on earth shows you, that one can live millions of years from the sun`s energy.
Greetings, Conrad
Mark, where does this energy come from?
not heat, not mass.....
The pendulum that is dropped from 2 oclock and raises to 12 oclock and falls back down with no sticky spot.
you can see that here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FzK2XKQ-74 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FzK2XKQ-74)
and taking it further here
http://www.overunity.com/14876/permanent-magnet-ou-machine-working-today/msg414883/#msg414883
Norman
Quote from: norman6538 on November 21, 2015, 07:14:48 AM
Mark, where does this energy come from?
not heat, not mass.....
The pendulum that is dropped from 2 oclock and raises to 12 oclock and falls back down with no sticky spot.
you can see that here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FzK2XKQ-74 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FzK2XKQ-74)
and taking it further here
http://www.overunity.com/14876/permanent-magnet-ou-machine-working-today/msg414883/#msg414883 (http://www.overunity.com/14876/permanent-magnet-ou-machine-working-today/msg414883/#msg414883)
Norman
In your case, the energy comes from Mr. Hand, as we have discussed before. And Mr. Hand gets the energy from your breakfast, which got its energy mostly from the sun, which gets its energy from nuclear fusion, which got its energy from the Big Bang, which got its energy from .... God.
You've got to look at the whole universe to answer this adequetly.Time is change,change is energy.what's more real,change or time.this last question will freak some people
Quote from: TinselKoala on November 21, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
In your case, the energy comes from Mr. Hand, as we have discussed before. And Mr. Hand gets the energy from your breakfast, which got its energy mostly from the sun, which gets its energy from nuclear fusion, which got its energy from the Big Bang, which got its energy from .... God.
Tinselkola, I know you can do better than that. Yes it starts with the hand but that
energy cannot take the pendulum past 10 oclock. So where does the rest come from?
It has to come partly from the magnet - perhaps spin and perhaps some interaction
with gravity to give it a boost. This device is tilted up about 20 degrees and if it has
more or less tilt it will not work. I believe the magnetic force has to be balanced with the gravity force.
Its still quite a mystery to me. That mystery has been well preserved in a box for some day in the future. Now suppose I put you on a swing and lifted you up to 2 oclock and dropped you and you almost went over the top....When you stopped
and got your feet on the ground your head would be in a great turmoil and your undies would likely need changing.
What puzzles me most is the lack of any genuine interest in the anomaly.
Norman
It seems that the top magnet at about 11 o'clock could be repelling the neo slightly when you raised the pendulum. This of course would add momentum when you released it. It would be difficult for you to feel this extra force.
Quote from: norman6538 on November 21, 2015, 07:14:48 AM
Mark, where does this energy come from?
not heat, not mass.....
The pendulum that is dropped from 2 oclock and raises to 12 oclock and falls back down with no sticky spot.
you can see that here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FzK2XKQ-74 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FzK2XKQ-74)
and taking it further here
http://www.overunity.com/14876/permanent-magnet-ou-machine-working-today/msg414883/#msg414883
Norman
It's this simple Norman.
If there was an energy gain,your pendulum should keep on swinging by it self ;)
In high school the teacher taught that HEAT was the most "reduced" form of energy. Whether that is true, well...
The Sun, is our main source of heat and light. A great ball of seething atoms.
Kinetic theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_theory) explains heat as a macroscopic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroscopic_scale) manifestation of the motions and interactions of microscopic constituents such as molecules (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecules) and photons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photons). So, heat is energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy) that is in a process of transfer between a system and its surroundings.
But, a careful examination can reveal that heat is caused by friction of atoms. Rub your hands together fast and hard and you can see this. Your hands will get hot. Yet, the real interesting thing is that THE ATOMS IN YOUR HANDS NEVER REALLY TOUCHED EACH OTHER! So, the atoms where somehow able to affect each other from some distance away from each other.
By this fact it can be understood that the more mass you clump together, the more heat you will generate and even self perpetuate. because the atoms are pressed together forcefully by their own gravity, but repealed by charge forces.
The secret is the makeup of the atom. Large groups of atoms are the key to where the energy comes from.
The Moon isn't quite big enough to retain much heat.
Earth retains enough heat to melt rock internally.
Jupiter and other large planets actually emit a lot of heat and radiation.
And we all can see what the sun does.
And there are much bigger brighter stars.
Nuclear fusion is not the source of the heat in the sun. Heat from friction generated by crushing gravity and repelling charge forces of that which the atoms are made up is what results in the fusion of atoms. The self perpetuated heat will forever radiate outward and should never run out as long as the smallest unit of charge exist to fight against gravity. Is there such a thing as a motionless electron?
Just to let you know the earth has its own power system and it is power by water from the sea.
Fusion reactor inside the earth due to extreme pressure of the earth crest and fuel by heavy water
exhaust helium 3.. that is why there is a lot of helium 3 released when there is an earth quake .
Quote from: tinman on November 21, 2015, 08:02:24 PM
It's this simple Norman.
If there was an energy gain,your pendulum should keep on swinging by it self ;)
No the pendulum will not go past 12 because there is a huge sticky spot there.
The first
really big clue to understanding the mysterious pendulum is to notice
how it behaves. It goes right up and then drops easily down to 6 oclock and stops.
That tells me that gravity and magnetism are interacting to make that anomaly.
Beyond that I know nothing more to explain it.
Norman
Quote from: seychelles on November 22, 2015, 12:41:30 AM
Just to let you know the earth has its own power system and it is power by water from the sea.
Fusion reactor inside the earth due to extreme pressure of the earth crest and fuel by heavy water
exhaust helium 3.. that is why there is a lot of helium 3 released when there is an earth quake .
But, as I stated above, fusion is not the 'source' of the heat 'energy', fusion is the result.
The source of heat energy is the minimum quantum charge of the electron volt in it's fight (friction) against gravity.
Heat energy therefore has a
self perpetuating cumulative source from the massive clumping of atoms, each having minimum quantum charge values, that results in the motion we see; fusion, light, etc.
"electron volt in it's fight (friction) against gravity."
And we're back to the two apophasonian field condensates again.love-hate forever.nobody has yet or can explain this.we're none the wiser since mr derricut's question
Quote from: profitis on November 22, 2015, 11:06:06 AM
"electron volt in it's fight (friction) against gravity."
And we're back to the two apophasonian field condensates again.love-hate forever.nobody has yet or can explain this.we're none the wiser since mr derricut's question
Sometimes, we don't necessarily need to know how something works. We only need to have appreciation that things are designed in such a way that we benefit from the way it all works together.
DO YOU INDEGEN. DO you know that there is a universal GOOGLE.
I will let you know how to tap into it.. IT GOES LIKE THIS..MAKE THIS PAYER
EVERY NIGHT BEFORE YOU GO TO SLEEP. GOOD EVENING GOD MY FATHER
CREATOR OF ALL THINGS SEEN AND UNSEEN. THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE
OF EXISTENCE. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME AND ALL TO CELEBRATE THE CREATION OF YOUR
WONDERFUL UNIVERSE. LET OF THE THOUGHTS THAT COMES INTO MY MIND BE OF YOURS.
LET ALL THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK BE OF YOURS. LET ALL THE ACTION THAT I TAKE BE OF YOURS
LET ALL THE THINGS THAT I SEE BE OF YOURS. LET ALL THE THINGS THAT I HEAR BE OF YOURS.
IN THE NAME OF MY ONLY HOP AND MY REDEEMER YOUR SON JESUS CHRIST AMEN.
THEN ASK ANY QUESTION YOU WANT ANSWERED AND IT WILL BE ANSWERED. MAYBE NOT STRAIGHT AWAY,
BUT IT WILL BE ANSWERED. WARNING BE PREPARED TO GET REALLY SCARED BECAUSE YOU WILL KNOW
THE WHOLE TRUTH OF STATE OF THIS WORLD WE ARE LIVING.
I have got a question here.
Energy is capacity to do work and this capacity is exhausted by doing work. But how the work is done? Work is done by applying force on a body changing its state of rest or uniform motion. But force always happens in pairs. Which is, when you apply force on anything in one direction, an equal force has to be exerted on a support in opposite direction. When you push a car by your hands in one direction, your legs push the earth in opposite direction. Since earth cannot move in opposite direction, only car moves forward.
Human body is flexible. So, when you push a car, your body should fall back in the absense of a internal supporting force. But practically this doesnot happen. So, what provides internal support to the body preventing it from falling back?
Does it mean that human body is unscientific which doesnot obey Newton's third law? Do we apply force by hand or through mind? Psyche? or spirit??
Quote moro:"Sometimes, we don't necessarily need to know how something works. We only need to have appreciation that things are designed in such a way that we benefit from the way it all works together."
True but this does not mean that we should not dig deeper as we've been doing all through history.we've come to a point where we have to examine our questions rather than answers and I think that a lot of our questions are thwarting further knowledge and need immediate ammendment
Quote from: seychelles on November 22, 2015, 12:41:30 AM
Just to let you know the earth has its own power system and it is power by water from the sea.
Fusion reactor inside the earth due to extreme pressure of the earth crest and fuel by heavy water
exhaust helium 3.. that is why there is a lot of helium 3 released when there is an earth quake .
I think you will find that it is the gravitational pull on the earth from the moon that causes friction that causes the heat within the core. The earth plates are being pulled and distorted by the gravitational pull from the moon,and this creates large amounts of friction,which creates large amounts of heat. Part of this may be caused by the tide's-i am not sure on that one.
And TINMAN why is the earth still spinning after its primordial being. Well
the earth is a massive magnet-- pulse motor and the power pulser is our darling sun.
And what if i tell you we are all sunshine what would you say i am crazy.
If there is no sun there is no life. And you know of course that we are all
physically a few billion years old, why because we are the remnant of an extinct
star and planets.. And if i tell you that you are 80 % water and what is our brain
made of h2o, where is of memories stored , water the magic sacred simplicity
of hydrogen and oxygen..Now all this happens by it sweat little self you can call
me DON KIOTE OF LA MANCHA.. AND BY THE WAY IT IS VERY EASY TO FIND IF
someone out there think like me just GOOGLE SEARCH WHY IS SUCH A RARE
ELEMENT AS HELIUM3 IS FOUND IN ABUNDANCE JUST BEFORE OR AFTER AN EARTH QUAKE.
BY the way helium is the second element on the elementary table .
under great gravitation and earth mantle pressure the hydrogen
in deuterium which is h3o is upgraded to helium3 and a massive amount
of heat energy is generated.
TECHNOLOGY OR SO CALL FREE ENERGY IS NOT GOING TO BE OUR SALVATION
BUT OUR MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT IN OUR MORALITY IS GOING TO
BE OUR SALVATION. AND I AM SO VERY SORRY BUT I CAN SEE THAT
HAPPENING VERY SOON. I will give you all a riddle that most of
humanity have failed on WHAT IS SO EASY TO DO AND YET SO HARD TO
PRACTICE OR DO.. IT IS THE ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT. LOVE YOUR
EVERY LIVING ENTITIES AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF AND LOVE YOUR GOD
WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT.
except Earth is not a magnet :P
Quote from: profitis on November 23, 2015, 04:52:28 AM
Quote moro:"Sometimes, we don't necessarily need to know how something works. We only need to have appreciation that things are designed in such a way that we benefit from the way it all works together."
True but this does not mean that we should not dig deeper as we've been doing all through history.we've come to a point where we have to examine our questions rather than answers and I think that a lot of our questions are thwarting further knowledge and need immediate ammendment
Yes. It's why I have the understanding I do now.
Quote from: tinman on November 23, 2015, 08:24:51 AM
I think you will find that it is the gravitational pull on the earth from the moon that causes friction that causes the heat within the core. The earth plates are being pulled and distorted by the gravitational pull from the moon,and this creates large amounts of friction,which creates large amounts of heat. Part of this may be caused by the tide's-i am not sure on that one.
True, an earth sized ball of atoms is not massive enough to become self sustaining at heat production, like a star is. So most of the internal heat in the earth definitely comes from friction due to the Earth/Moon tug of war. Also, Tides are gradually slowing the spin of the earth and moving the moon to a higher orbit (about an inch a year).
Quote from: seychelles on November 23, 2015, 10:40:48 AM
BY the way helium is the second element on the elementary table .
under great gravitation and earth mantle pressure the hydrogen
in deuterium which is h3o is upgraded to helium3 and a massive amount
of heat energy is generated.
The first element on the Periodic Table is Hydrogen. But nobody seems to mention that it too is likely in production in the stars. After all, ALL matter and energy are exchangeable, as atoms are made from sub particles. Why else would it still be so abundant. Likely, anti Hydrogen is produced too. (though it would have a very short life within a non-antimatter star, and produce lot of heat).
Quote from: Newton II on November 23, 2015, 04:42:00 AM
I have got a question here.
Human body is flexible. So, when you push a car, your body should fall back in the absense of a internal supporting force. But practically this doesnot happen. So, what provides internal support to the body preventing it from falling back?
Does it mean that human body is unscientific which doesnot obey Newton's third law? Do we apply force by hand or through mind? Psyche? or spirit??
The atoms throughout your body are held in place by charge forces. These charge forces generate heat when flexed (friction). Take a paper clip bend it back and forth in one spot. Then feel that spot. Ask yourself: Why did it get hot?
MagnaMoRo
Quote from: MoRo on November 23, 2015, 06:17:18 PM
The atoms throughout your body are held in place by charge forces. These charge forces generate heat when flexed (friction). Take a paper clip bend it back and forth in one spot. Then feel that spot. Ask yourself: Why did it get hot?
All machines have atoms but what provides the support? Can you drill a hole in the wall using a drilling machine without supporting the drilling machine despite consuming electricity from the mains?
What provides support to the human body while doing work when you consider the entire body as one unit of a biological machine?
Quote from: Newton II on November 23, 2015, 07:37:00 PM
All machines have atoms but what provides the support? Can you drill a hole in the wall using a drilling machine without supporting the drilling machine despite consuming electricity from the mains?
What provides support to the human body while doing work when you consider the entire body as one unit of a biological machine?
I am not real sure if I understand what you are asking. But, consider a piece of steel (the paper clip for example). Even though to us it seams to be 'solid', the space between those atoms is enormous compared to the size of the atoms themselves. Those atoms though are all 'locked' in a certain arrangement by charge forces . You as a human also have atoms 'locked' in a certain arrangement by charge forces. Pound for pound bone is stronger than steel. Your bones support your flesh. Your flesh more weakly supports whatever your holding. You can overcome these forces and break steel, bone or flesh, just like you can pull magnets apart. Everything around you is held together and separated by comparatively week or comparatively strong charge forces.
Charge forces generate heat when undergoing acceleration or declaration. Extreme gravity, as in the case of a star will cause an extreme acceleration condition for atom held in place by the atoms 'below' them. So, heat is generated.
I think the general people over complicate things by trying to feel like they poses the one and true answer. This comes from believing that there is no one out there that knows more than they know NOR that no one out there will learn more ("evolve") past their knowledge. This mentality is the downfall of the great coming up 6th extinction...remember EVOLUTION...applies to humans as to all animals and plants.... even time. Reminded me of this as well http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/02/120221-oldest-seeds-regenerated-plants-science/
So having said that, all of the stars give energy because the space is cold, very very cold. So there is intelligence in outer space that has, after trillions of years (or who knows what number of years), figured out that light will make space grow bigger. So in a sense, the starts are like a camp fire...but what is keeping the fire lit? Well one needs to put more wood (cold material) on the camp fire to keep it burning. SO stars are the same way, they need "wood" to keep on burning. The wood comes from the dark areas. But the space is crazy with light/fires....some only last .0001 second others last for billions of years. Still, there is a back and forth PHENOMENA that the start gets "wood" from the dark areas and the star provides energy back...it's a zig zag of give and take because if you where to put a star in a sealed glass ball, it would die out right away just like a candle light inside a glass jar. HECK! Maybe the sun's food are the planets orbiting around it? SINCE THEY ARE HUGE! We cannot comprehend that based on our 12 hour clock. But like I said before, there is no way in hell to prove that in a lab..so it stays in math predictions and just theories.
But energy is there for FREEE. ...the energy inside the earth is the MOST important to understand of them all.
Quote from: joel321 on November 23, 2015, 11:38:38 PM
I think the general people over complicate things by trying to feel like they poses the one and true answer. This comes from believing that there is no one out there that knows more than they know NOR that no one out there will learn more ("evolve") past their knowledge. This mentality is the downfall of the great coming up 6th extinction...remember EVOLUTION...applies to humans as to all animals and plants.... even time. Reminded me of this as well http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/02/120221-oldest-seeds-regenerated-plants-science/ (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/02/120221-oldest-seeds-regenerated-plants-science/)
So having said that, all of the stars give energy because the space is cold, very very cold. So there is intelligence in outer space that has, after trillions of years (or who knows what number of years), figured out that light will make space grow bigger. So in a sense, the starts are like a camp fire...but what is keeping the fire lit? Well one needs to put more wood (cold material) on the camp fire to keep it burning. SO stars are the same way, they need "wood" to keep on burning. The wood comes from the dark areas. But the space is crazy with light/fires....some only last .0001 second others last for billions of years. Still, there is a back and forth PHENOMENA that the start gets "wood" from the dark areas and the star provides energy back...it's a zig zag of give and take because if you where to put a star in a sealed glass ball, it would die out right away just like a candle light inside a glass jar. HECK! Maybe the sun's food are the planets orbiting around it? SINCE THEY ARE HUGE! We cannot comprehend that based on our 12 hour clock. But like I said before, there is no way in hell to prove that in a lab..so it stays in math predictions and just theories.
But energy is there for FREEE. ...the energy inside the earth is the MOST important to understand of them all.
This is exactly why you should use JB Weld. I could not have said this better myself.
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I think the general people over complicate things by trying to feel like they poses the one and true answer. This comes from believing that there is no one out there that knows more than they know NOR that no one out there will learn more ("evolve") past their knowledge. This mentality is the downfall of the great coming up 6th extinction...remember EVOLUTION...applies to humans as to all animals and plants.... even time. Reminded me of this as well http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/02/120221-oldest-seeds-regenerated-plants-science/
So having said that, all of the stars give energy because the space is cold, very very cold. So there is intelligence in outer space that has, after trillions of years (or who knows what number of years), figured out that light will make space grow bigger. So in a sense, the starts are like a camp fire...but what is keeping the fire lit? Well one needs to put more wood (cold material) on the camp fire to keep it burning. SO stars are the same way, they need "wood" to keep on burning. The wood comes from the dark areas. But the space is crazy with light/fires....some only last .0001 second others last for billions of years. Still, there is a back and forth PHENOMENA that the start gets "wood" from the dark areas and the star provides energy back...it's a zig zag of give and take because if you where to put a star in a sealed glass ball, it would die out right away just like a candle light inside a glass jar. HECK! Maybe the sun's food are the planets orbiting around it? SINCE THEY ARE HUGE! We cannot comprehend that based on our 12 hour clock. But like I said before, there is no way in hell to prove that in a lab..so it stays in math predictions and just theories.
But energy is there for FREEE. ...the energy inside the earth is the MOST important to understand of them all.
MY theory about where the suns gets its wood is as such. In the center
of every galaxy there are massive black holes
and they are all perpetually gobbling up all the stars and
planets close to it and all that matter ends up traveling
faster than the speed of light and ends up manifesting all
these matter into pure energy which are the stars..our darling sun
So the stars are the arsed end of the massive black hole in every galaxy.
QuoteMY theory about where the suns gets its wood is as such. In the center
of every galaxy there are massive black holes
and they are all perpetually gobbling up all the stars and
planets close to it and all that matter ends up traveling
faster than the speed of light and ends up manifesting all
these matter into pure energy which are the stars..our darling sun
So the stars are the arsed end of the massive black hole in every galaxy.
I don't think that is the case because everything the "black hole" would "spit" out, would spit it out way farther than the galaxy....so nothing the black hole spits out would "feed" the sun of any energy. The sun has to be fed from dark energy/matter from the surroundings. If you look at the NASA videos of the surface of the sun, you can see how the plasma explodes from the surface BUT also, you can see how matter goes back in from the outer space surroundings. Look at NASA videos of the surface of the sun using video filters...green, blue, yellow...and you can clearly see ENERGY coming in from the outside to the sun.
By the way seychilles, you are a religious person? Have you ever thought that a GOD knows how to build galaxies? Just like any human in this earth can build a wood table from trees, have you thought of a GOD that can build galaxies from outer space "wood"? This means that our creator can build galaxies just like a human can build houses. The bible has many teachings that hold true. Humans do not learn from the inside out, they learn from the outside in. Everything that ALL humans know are teachings from an outside ENERGY. It is not from an inside energy. It CANNOT! So who is this entity that is being a teacher? Even the planets have a geometrical pattern of balance. When you take a look at telescopes and watch asteroids crash on the sun, you can kind of see that the asteroids play a BIG role in fueling the sun for energy! Some escape, but you can see how the rocks "fuel" the sun...like "wood" on a camp fire....but we are still left with the question...why is the DNA to do that there? Is nothing STUPID! There is the law that makes it happen! The universe is not happening out of stupidity! There is order and DNA how it should happen. Even if there is a massive black hole in the center of the galaxy, it is not stupid since all galaxies would have such a black holes...that means if all have them then it's a DNA law! That means, either there is a creator of galaxies that is managing how galaxies are born and die or the planets themselves are "smart" enough to know what to do! Or the black hole is enslaving them to do that! But if the black holes enslave them, then black holes are farming galaxies? Which gives them "intelligence" since they would do it on purpose to keep on living?
Lol, you see seychelles, how things get complicated but yet easy to understand! The sun has awareness! The moon has awareness. The galaxy has awareness. The black holes have awareness! Who is the one that rules and manages ALL of this awareness? Give me a theory? :) 8)
Energy simply comes from movement. 8)
"Energy simply comes from movement. 8)"
And movement from energy.catch 22 there's only one question left to ask and that is :what is energy/matter.what not where
I think Tito is right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKSfAkWWN0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKSfAkWWN0)
"I think Tito is right."
He's right alright but it doesn't help
Quote moro"Yes. It's why I have the understanding I do now."
a whole bunch of fields falling into the blackholes and exiting the blackholes on continuous basis.this is as good as it gets?
the best movement is here : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Ouroboros.png
it is aether under movement, but we call it differently
Energy is nothing more than the transition between primordial space and deformed space (matter). There is a centripetal pressure within the universe, and an inequality in this centripetal pressure will deform space. Matter endeavors to return to it's former state of primordial space, and it does so by giving off light, heat, radiation, etc.....and through motion.
Gravock
" transition between
primordial space and deformed space (matter)."
Primordial field and deformed field yes.we're getting somewhere
Well, try this one profitis, the total energy in the universe is zero!
Apparently it's the entropy that changes with time.
Therefore the question is how can zero appear to be so much?
"Apparently it's the entropy that changes with time."
Order-disorder/order-disorder/order-disorder ad infinitum.now we go deeper,why this perpetual motion?
"changes with time"
I've got a problem with this.does time cause the change or does change cause the change
Quote from: profitis on November 27, 2015, 01:40:29 AM
"Apparently it's the entropy that changes with time."
Order-disorder/order-disorder/order-disorder ad infinitum.now we go deeper,why this perpetual motion?
Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its continuing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.
"to boldly go where no one has gone
before."
Does time cause change.or does change cause illusion of time
In other words,which one is the illusion,time or change
Quote from: profitis on November 27, 2015, 01:58:54 AM
"to boldly go where no one has gone
before."
Does time cause change.or does change cause illusion of time
exactly.
well, one of those is correct yes.
now that you mention it, change causes the illusion of time i think is more correct.
time helps to track the progress of change.
"now that you mention it, change causes the illusion
of time i think is more correct."
This thread is picking up speed now.if time is the illusion and change is not the illusion can we leave time out of our equation to get to the cause of change..
Hehehe profitis the wondering woman.
I think we can conclude now that time is not constant. A neutrino 12 hour clock is not the same as a snail 12 hour clock. So time is a variable....LIKE A LADDER. You know a step ladder. Time is a ladder. IT IS NOT CONSTANT...Well it is ONLY in the step.
This is the "big bang" understanding of everything. 'Cause everything is a ladder. Energy is a ladder...this ladder is built with take energy in, exhaust energy, take energy in exhaust energy... this is one of the reason I understand that MONEY does not give energy back. So if money does not give energy back, the ladder becomes unbalanced! And when things become unbalanced, it's bound to hit a road block because life and the movement of life is all about exchanging energy...
-water a plant...gives energy.
-farm cattle...gives energy.
All energy is a ladder of give and take...that is how the FREEE energy works...there is no such thing as money in ENERGY. When money becomes A GREAT part of the ladder of energy, is when the step in the ladder cancels out! There is no way in hell that money gives out energy since it is a man made virtual item. Money it is outside the ladder of TRUTH of energy! But you probably already knew that right? = 6th great extinction!
So many LAZY time spent here profitis, it is time to use your brain to make a change in the ladder?
So you wonder about time? What type of time are you wondering about? The 12 hour clock or the neutrino speed through space time? Time is not the same time for all. Time slows down and time speeds up. That is how space works....the time in space in not the same...the only time that is the same is in one step of the ladder = our 12hr clock. ACTUALLY time is a ruler....a 12 hour clock is just a ruler measuring......nothing special. How do you measure the speed of light? How do you measure the size of your feet?
From where do you think energy comes from? It is here! It was not put by money! IT IS HERE! From where do you think it comes from profitis? Lets hear out your mental thinking intelligence hehehehe...
Quote from: profitis on November 27, 2015, 02:18:43 AM
"now that you mention it, change causes the illusion
of time i think is more correct."
This thread is picking up speed now.if time is the illusion and change is not the illusion can we leave time out of our equation to get to the cause of change..
having yet to reach warp speed yet, and during the volume ramp curve would be forms energy depletion, if light intensity or magnetic fields gravity could remain a constant or develop greater radiation according to the direction of velocity if that was travelling towards the sun for example, could speed not be increased? is solar wind a resistance?
i wonder what all these buttons on the dashboard do, hmmm...
<unbolts the dashboard panel cover and notices so many wires leading off through walls of the ancient ship that was found in the desert, keeps unbolting more panels..>oh shoot, its the crystaline entity again. run away! run away!
Quote Joelitis:
"I think we can conclude now that time is not constant."
change is constant.rate of change non-constant yes.do we really have to deal with rate-of-change to get to cause-of-change.I don't think so.
Quote somanywires:"having yet to reach warp speed yet, and during the
volume ramp curve would be forms energy
depletion, if light intensity or magnetic fields gravity
could remain a constant or develop greater radiation
according to the direction of velocity if that was
travelling towards the sun for example, could speed
not be increased? is solar wind a resistance?"
Wowi!,matter and change are interconvertible? Or matter is just changing faster and slower
Quotechange is constant.rate of change non-constant yes.do we really have to deal with rate-of-change to get to cause-of-change.I don't think so.
Time how long does it take for you to type 1 then 2 then 3 then 4....now it is easy to type 1 rather than spell ONE, two, three, four. You just gauge the time it take based on the 12 hour clock but you could also gauge it on the speed of light clock. The important thing is the FASTER one does it, the BETTER! The faster the time, the greater the energy gathered!
Change is inevitable...since change is the tic toc of time. I don't know what you mean but 30 seconds have just passed = at a constant rate o.0
Profitis, can you say something smart...like why do bulls don't spit?lol
Quote from: profitis on November 27, 2015, 03:16:45 AM
Quote somanywires:"having yet to reach warp speed yet, and during the
volume ramp curve would be forms energy
depletion, if light intensity or magnetic fields gravity
could remain a constant or develop greater radiation
according to the direction of velocity if that was
travelling towards the sun for example, could speed
not be increased? is solar wind a resistance?"
Wowi!,matter and change are interconvertible? Or matter is just changing faster and slower
if a solar cell can grid and become a solar panel, it can gather more energy from the light source faster than if it was still a solar cell.
a light source, or focused light such as a laser could be aimed at a cell or diffused like the sun for use on a freznel lens with a panel could help matter work against gravity from this using it as a power source for a drive system.
look, after building well over 42 space ships that do work for several international customers and have been in operation for 1000's of years, i can verify the energy transfter to be true.
in fact i'm typing this from an altitude of 140 miles and climbing.
ok maybe not, yet.
dreaming in the clouds like the fool on the hill, thats ok, the views go on for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles..oh yeah.
Quote from: profitis on November 26, 2015, 07:47:27 AM
"Energy simply comes from movement. 8) "
And movement from energy.catch 22 there's only one question left to ask and that is :what is energy/matter.what not where
@trytis
Are you not reading the question?, it is "where"
Now you say "What" then that's another question, understood?
And regarding your question "what is energy" then energy is the cause of the movement happen. :o
And matter is anything that occupy space and has weight, And that's!!! elementary!!! >:(
matter is not energy!!!! when matter is moving it performs an energy and the size of that energy is depending on the size, weight of the matter! plus the the speed of the movement!. What's the matter with you! ;D
Changes are just the results or effects of movement.
meaning energy was happened already before changes has seen. did you get it class? ;D
Time?, i don't know why time is included. Why?, are we going to use the stopwatch as it moves. i don't get it. ;D
Therefore when moving it performs an action of energy!, got it.?
now, did i made a little help for clarification!?, you boaster!!! >:(
everything is helping here!!!! even wrong answer, understand? >:(
otytis ;D
:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(
Let someone look at your eye.
Look at them one by one, in time you are looking at them, you are exerting an energy at their gap.
because you need to see the other one.
its an stress reliever actually and good for those who has an atrietis. :D
and it does help. ;D
Ya ok guys so change affects change.if change causes change to change then whats the right question to ask here. should've rather asked,"what is changing" as opposed to "where does change come" from right?
Make up your minds guys what do you wanna know a) what is change or b) where does it come from.if you ask b) you go in cycles.if you ask a) you go in a direction?
Quote from: scratchrobot on November 26, 2015, 11:38:49 AM
I think Tito is right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKSfAkWWN0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKSfAkWWN0)
Though the video is interesting. It does not explain where energy comes from.
Energy is more than mere movement.
When objects are moving in different directions, they are experiencing 'relativity'. But without course corrections, their is no energy expression. However, when they collide, then during the time it takes to complete the course change the atoms will be experiencing a g force. And during that time only can their be an expression of energy input.
Energy is therefore realized by acceleration or deceleration from one frame of reference into another frame of reference. During a change all matter will experience a g force, whether that quantity of matter is a large clump or the smallest possible amount.
In a star all of the atoms are supported by each other around a central point, yet the massive quantity of atoms creates a situational were each individual atom experiences a g force due to gravity. They are experiencing a very strong and ever changing frame of reference (acceleration).
This is energy input: change of frame reference (acceleration - due to gravity - many many g forces at the surface of a star)!
Heat in a star is obviously due therefore to the incredible rate of acceleration and the amount of mass undergoing this energy input by way of acceleration.
It is perpetual due to the geometry of a star. (Great mass around a central point.)
Fusion is the end result of the heat and pressure, not visa-versa. This is why attempts to create a fusion reactor have been unsuccessful. The required conditions simply have not existed on the earth for self perpetuating heat generation. So, perhaps we can examine the possibility of creating self perpetuating heat generation by means of artificial gravity through some form of centrifugal activity.
Stars can never lose their ability to self perpetuate heat unless they lose their mass and therefore their gravity.
MagnaMoRo
ALL ENERGY IS = MASS TRAVELING AT TWICE THE SPEED OF LIGHT..
AS NOTHING TRAVEL FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT. WHAT NATURE DOES
IS MASS TRAVELING AT LIGHT SPEED AND THE SAME MASS TRAVELING AT LIGHT SPEED
OPPOSITE TO EACH OTHER AND COLLIDING INTO EACH OTHER .KABOOM AN ATOMIC BOMB
ELECTRICITY FIRE..OUR GALAXY IS CONSTANTLY RECYCLING ITSELF THROUGH THE MASSIVE BLACK HOLE
IN ITS CENTER, AND ALL THE STARS AND PLANETS THAT IT SUCK IN TRAVEL FASTER THAN THE SPEED
OF LIGHT AND FEED ALL THE SUNS WITHIN OUR GALAXY,,WHY THE BLACK HOLE TRAVEL FASTER THAN
SPEED OF LIGHT BECAUSE THEY SAY THAT EVEN LIGHT CAN NOT ESCAPE IT..AND THE WHOLE OF
EVERY GALAXY IS A SPIRAL WINDING ITS WAY TO THE CENTER OF IT SELVES. AND WITHIN EVERY GALAXY
NEW STARS AND PLANETS ARE BORN ON THE OUTER RIM OF OF THE SPIRAL..NO BEGINNING AND NO END..
(spoken)
Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown,
And things seem hard or tough,
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft,
(sung)
And you feel that you've had quite eno-o-o-o-o-ough,
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at 900 miles an hour.
It's orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it's reckoned,
The sun that is the source of all our power.
Now the sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,
Are moving at a million miles a day,
In the outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour,
Of a galaxy we call the Milky Way.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars;
It's a hundred thousand light-years side to side;
It bulges in the middle sixteen thousand light-years thick,
But out by us it's just three thousand light-years wide.
We're thirty thousand light-years from Galactic Central Point,
We go 'round every two hundred million years;
And our galaxy itself is one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.
(waltz)
Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
In all of the directions it can whiz;
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!
Quote from: idegen on December 05, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
"And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth! "
hmmm...I therefore pray my too
it is not possible here on earth?
...intelligent life
haha yes.
the comical part following after the science lesson section they wrote into the song above it was only mostly meant as comical.
though since this somewhat important consideration gets overlooked when looking at certain elements of society, the comical part in itself is kind of causing the news on tv to look not funny and somewhat serious.
myself being mostly athiest, though letting a very minute amount of consideration to being not correct myself on belief systems while still waiting for non violent examples meant to emulate validation.
that is something followers of theoretics must try learning to also consider, or they end up making their version of how the news should be, depressing and lacking logic.
if only they donated towards science research instead, many problems could have been already solved.