I have been researching different attraction configurations for a mag motor. Of course, the sticky spot is the worst enemy of the attraction motor. I am pretty sure I can effectively shield a flux field. **(Let me rephrase, I have already effectively shielded flux with minimal resistance. :o) What I am looking for is a static configuration that would not need moving parts other than the rotor of course. Also, no external power. Needs to be self running. Post any suggestions.
ok... :-\
All I can offer is the open source materials on any working replication as well as the opportunity to work further on research and dev. I've already got about $1000 USD in small parts alone ready for this project. Some of you have probably seen me lurking around here every day, waiting on that next little revelation to help put the pieces of this puzzle together. Every possible minute I've had has been spent building, testing, revising, theorizing on a working motor configuration. I'm not Part Time. I run a major marketing firm in the US and plan to use it to help aid in the complete and proper implementation of the technology. I applaud those like Hartberlein and Jason O etc... for maintaining resourceful websites on this subject!
Just a side note...I don't want my name in history books, nobel prizes, etc...I just want the financial security for my family, as well as the overall worldwide benefits of a clean, abundant fuel. I think we all just want to be able to go home at night and feel like we earned our living and left the world a better place than we found it at the same time, correct?
Any Ideas? ???
(I used to breed AKC Labrador Retrievers when I was younger.) I'm thinking of breeding two motors together and I'm pretty sure this is the one that will actually self run with considerable torque. ;D I've got enough hands on experiece with Neos and my shielding to "see" what's happening. I think the problem with many initial concepts and theories is just a slightly skewed perspective of what they are actually dealing with. It's kind of like a vehicle mechanic working on engines. He may know everything about how a gasoline engine works...but that doesn't mean his knowledge will apply in the same way if he has to work on a diesel engine. It's basically the same, but just a few differences in operation make all the difference in whether the engine will run. Experiments with distance are also necessary for any magnet setup. Come on guys...we've come this far..."This, is a game of inches..." Get those creative juices flowing. I can get the investment money quickly...as soon as I've got a proof of principle model.
K~
Not sure why there hasn't even been one response. 70 views and not even one response? That's pretty gay. You guys will look at the same old ideas over and over, but god forbid anyone come up with something original! I'm kind of glad. I've always had to do things on my own anyway. The temptation to share what I came up with in the past 48 hours is immense, however, I will spend tomorrow finishing my design rather than talking about it. (The neighbors don't appreciate my Ryobi router too much at night.) I also have three other possibilities that I think may work, but I am going with another one that seems to put out the most torque. I got all of the concepts that make up the motor from this and other sites though. Good work guys. Any ideas on naming it? =)
.....!!!!!!!!!!Hahaaaaaaaaaa...I got it, I got it...I got it..........................
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-100545142554902085&q=magnet+motor&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-117648347574834757&q=magnet+motor&hl=en
Why not post some pictures of your ideas and there are plenty of people on here that are willing to try them out.
You are asking others for designs on a static configuration and for them to post them in here, but in the same breath you are not willing to post your ideas?
If it is a commercial product that you want your ideas kept safe, then design and test it away from the public eye.
If it is going to be an open source project then post some ideas and you will probably find you will get some feedback.
Regards
Sean.
Quote from: konduct on November 02, 2006, 12:27:48 AM
I have been researching different attraction configurations for a mag motor. Of course, the sticky spot is the worst enemy of the attraction motor. I am pretty sure I can effectively shield a flux field. **(Let me rephrase, I have already effectively shielded flux with minimal resistance. :o) What I am looking for is a static configuration that would not need moving parts other than the rotor of course. Also, no external power. Needs to be self running. Post any suggestions.
ok... :-\
All I can offer is the open source materials on any working replication as well as the opportunity to work further on research and dev. I've already got about $1000 USD in small parts alone ready for this project. Some of you have probably seen me lurking around here every day, waiting on that next little revelation to help put the pieces of this puzzle together. Every possible minute I've had has been spent building, testing, revising, theorizing on a working motor configuration. I'm not Part Time. I run a major marketing firm in the US and plan to use it to help aid in the complete and proper implementation of the technology. I applaud those like Hartberlein and Jason O etc... for maintaining resourceful websites on this subject!
Just a side note...I don't want my name in history books, nobel prizes, etc...I just want the financial security for my family, as well as the overall worldwide benefits of a clean, abundant fuel. I think we all just want to be able to go home at night and feel like we earned our living and left the world a better place than we found it at the same time, correct?
Any Ideas? ???
(I used to breed AKC Labrador Retrievers when I was younger.) I'm thinking of breeding two motors together and I'm pretty sure this is the one that will actually self run with considerable torque. ;D I've got enough hands on experiece with Neos and my shielding to "see" what's happening. I think the problem with many initial concepts and theories is just a slightly skewed perspective of what they are actually dealing with. It's kind of like a vehicle mechanic working on engines. He may know everything about how a gasoline engine works...but that doesn't mean his knowledge will apply in the same way if he has to work on a diesel engine. It's basically the same, but just a few differences in operation make all the difference in whether the engine will run. Experiments with distance are also necessary for any magnet setup. Come on guys...we've come this far..."This, is a game of inches..." Get those creative juices flowing. I can get the investment money quickly...as soon as I've got a proof of principle model.
K~
Not sure why there hasn't even been one response. 70 views and not even one response? That's pretty gay. You guys will look at the same old ideas over and over, but god forbid anyone come up with something original! I'm kind of glad. I've always had to do things on my own anyway. The temptation to share what I came up with in the past 48 hours is immense, however, I will spend tomorrow finishing my design rather than talking about it. (The neighbors don't appreciate my Ryobi router too much at night.) I also have three other possibilities that I think may work, but I am going with another one that seems to put out the most torque. I got all of the concepts that make up the motor from this and other sites though. Good work guys. Any ideas on naming it? =)
.....!!!!!!!!!!Hahaaaaaaaaaa...I got it, I got it...I got it..........................
I will take a guess here, you have got it-a magnetic shield,but you cannot shield a magnetic field so you have redirected it like the steorn LEMA does. If you have I applaud your efforts, but you realize if you try to patent this your screwed, if you start a company your investors will probably gang rape you, and like everyone else in the past 100 years you will end up penniless. But here's another option- full disclosure here on this site,at which point the impossible becomes possible regardless of what the scientific community believes, you then form a company based on known and proven technology,your technology and make a shwack of money and retire on a beach in mexico.
the perfect scenario ;D
Lunch break update.... The LEMA patent is nothing special and refers heavily to a "linear motion" as well as using Netic / Conetic material. Any patents for my device wouldn't resemble, nor take claim to the LEMA...and I'm sure Steorn would sell or license the LEMA technology (If I needed it for something.) for the right price anyway. No one gets screwed Canadian cuz everybody has a price! =) My investment consultants are lawyers for the biggest alternative energy firm in the world!
And Sean, this will be a commercial product. I could give the "cure for cancer" to someone and there is a 99.999% probability that it won't make it to market!
I could show you guys how I did it, but all that would really do is start confusion and controversy when some ego decides it was "thier idea". Quite frankly, the motor is a buch of other peoples' ideas. I'm sure in about 10 years, after I've already made a boatload of money off of it, somebody will put two and two together and try and sue me. But today...nobody cares but me. Maybe I'll get lucky and nobody will actually realize, or care, how I did it. The consumer just knows that it does what they need it to and how much it cost them! The real important thing is who developes and sells it, not who patents it! Who can get a fuel-less generator systems into homes the fastest! The damn thing markets itself!!!!!!! Besides, I wouldn't have to go to court, the lawyers do. Don't think I couldn't hide enough money to go "bankrupt". (You think Kenneth Lay (Enron) is actually dead or broke?)
Still not sure what answer you want from the these forums regards your discovery?
You have a method of shielding the magnetic field which will get past the sticky point, it is a commercial product that you are going to produce and make shed loads of money.
You are not going to release your findings here but you need input towards the design of the device maybe?
So what do you need from these public forums to help you to do this?
Regards
Sean.
Quote from: konduct on November 04, 2006, 10:56:32 AM
Lunch break update.... The LEMA patent is nothing special and refers heavily to a "linear motion" as well as using Netic / Conetic material. Any patents for my device wouldn't resemble, nor take claim to the LEMA...and I'm sure Steorn would sell or license the LEMA technology (If I needed it for something.) for the right price anyway. No one gets screwed Canadian cuz everybody has a price! =) My investment consultants are lawyers for the biggest alternative energy firm in the world!
And Sean, this will be a commercial product. I could give the "cure for cancer" to someone and there is a 99.999% probability that it won't make it to market!
I could show you guys how I did it, but all that would really do is start confusion and controversy when some ego decides it was "thier idea". Quite frankly, the motor is a buch of other peoples' ideas. I'm sure in about 10 years, after I've already made a boatload of money off of it, somebody will put two and two together and try and sue me. But today...nobody cares but me. Maybe I'll get lucky and nobody will actually realize, or care, how I did it. The consumer just knows that it does what they need it to and how much it cost them! The real important thing is who developes and sells it, not who patents it! Who can get a fuel-less generator systems into homes the fastest! The damn thing markets itself!!!!!!! Besides, I wouldn't have to go to court, the lawyers do. Don't think I couldn't hide enough money to go "bankrupt". (You think Kenneth Lay (Enron) is actually dead or broke?)
Great you have come here with nothing to offer but your vanity and greed! you do realize tesla and some of the greatest minds on this planet have failed to market this technology not because of an outside influence but vanity. In the last 100 years no one person has succeeded but you will in your infinate wisdom. The truth is your wasting our time- you will end up next to a dumpster sucking a bottle of stale cooking sherry wearing a womans old matted fur coat to stay warm, wondering what the hell happened?, where it all went so terribly wrong?, What have I done?
Good luck
Hey Sean...Sorry to seem confusing, but I had edited my post from it's original version...I know you are personally working hard at these motors...I originally was looking to collect ideas from everyone for an attraction based motor using shielding. I've seen diagrams scattered around, so I wanted to see if there was anything I missed before the first design / build. Two days and not one person bothered to post anything? Soooo...
Who's dedicated here? Not a problem...but AllCanadian, you can stay off your high horse when you ask about me posting pictures when no one has posted a picture for me to look at in this post.
Nobody took any time to share anything so I worked on it myself. I've got a genius IQ and have tackled seemingly tougher challenges. (Although this adventure has proven to be one of the more challenging ones!) I have never been into anything like free energy or "overunity". I didn't even know what overunity was 6 months ago! Or care really! But the thought of it...well...It's an undeniably useful technology!
How sir am I vain? Vain is looking into a mirror and thinking how people will love me because of my accolmplishments. Survival is not greed. In this world you need money to survive, so wanting to earn money so you can survive comfortably is far from a sin. I've lived well beneath my means for years and been a happier person than most. And quite frankly, I know how to handle my business. Thank you for your concern Canadian, but I don't need a magnet motor company to pay my bills ...I am quite warm now and can afford all the fresh liquor I could possibly drink! With a successful product...I could pay my bills and then some! The only money I've had to part with has gone towards parts for the prototype so I'm sure my fiscal future will remain sound enough.
Folks, this isn't a popularity contest...I'm not doing this to be cool or go down in history books...I don't care if you like me, think I'm a good person, or think I deserve to be successful. I am looking to collaborate with like minded people, already hands on in this field because even after any successful prototype, there comes even more research and development! I couldn't build the genset end I will need to save my life, but I bet someone here could! I can make this thing run in circles, but I'm sure someone here knows how to make it faster, or more powerful! Why not hire / pay folks that have been in on it since the early stages, rather than some kid, fresh out of college with a degree in Engineering? There is no reason a profitable company can't be a grassroots operation. Quit hating canadian...you're taking this way too personally! =)
The first one is just the beginning! I don't want to do everything myself! I'm actually kind of lazy...only my obsessive compulsive personality keeps me balanced.
I should think any of the designs on these forums will work as most if not all of them eventually hit the sticky point.
If you have a way of shielding it with out spending more energy than produced and get over the sticky point, then you are on a winner.
I think alot of guys in here are in on this just for the satisfaction and not any commercial gains, so hence why you have had no replies.
For me personaly I make enough money using my skills in other areas of life and this is just another bit of fun that uses all the experience I have gained over the years making other things (electronic and mechanical).
Must admit if I do stumble upon anything that works then it will be released here for eveyone to enhance with their skills and will hopefully do the world some good, as it needs it right now!
But fair enough if you are taking the commercial angle, then good on you and I wish you luck.
I can see why allcanadian got wound up, because of the way you have worded some of your posts and also inmature remarks such as 'That's pretty gay' when you were not getting responses back that you expected.
You should see the angle that people will see you coming from, you are asking for designs and ideas that people have worked on, yet you want to keep the solution of the most vital problem that people have been working on for years to yourself. This is fair enough but by pushing it in peoples faces can wind them up, so if you get rebuff, expect it, thats human nature.
Again good luck and I will be the first to buy one of your commercial versions, so I can pull it apart and see how it works!.
Regards
Sean.
Quote from: konduct on November 04, 2006, 01:47:06 PM
Hey Sean...Sorry to seem confusing, but I had edited my post from it's original version...I know you are personally working hard at these motors...I originally was looking to collect ideas from everyone for an attraction based motor using shielding. I've seen diagrams scattered around, so I wanted to see if there was anything I missed before the first design / build. Two days and not one person bothered to post anything? Soooo...
I don't hate anyone, this is maybe my twisted way of making a point. No one has been able to do this in the last 100 years, to get working technology out. Everyone without exception has tried and failed, that is not to say you will fail, but your post implied you have it and will flaunt and tease us with it and offer nothing tangible we can work with. Do we deserve to know how you have succeeded? maybe not, but we are here trying to help one another and I think everyone here just wants to personally see a working machine, thats it. I just heard on the news all fisheries will permanently collapse within 40 years, the ph of the oceans are rising, if we cannot substantially reduce CO2 levels within 10 years we are poached it will not matter. It just goes on and on, and everyone I know is completely stressed out about this, it's all going down the shitter in my lifetime and what about my two children what will they have to deal with. If you think Im uptight, really you have no idea! We need solutions now-not later, Im here as an engineer to help anyone I can succeed, I ask nothing in return except that the technology gets out sooner rather than later. Because later is too late, it will not matter, it will mean nothing, every shread of research I have done say's what happens in the next 10 years will dictate our fate. So here we are, do we work together with a common cause,honestly and transparently or boast of things we cannot prove and what might have been?
this forum site is a bit different from others, here we don't fuck around! either it's open source technology or take it to another forum site. people are tired of investing money on empty claims it's that simple. good luck.
peace
lol...don't need investment money...just looking for brains here...
ok then people are tired of investing energy on empty claims it's that simple. ;)
dude ... put up or shut up ... open source it. Our brains are not yours to mess with!
hey guys,
has anyone checked out "free energy's" site? well let me rephrase. have you looked at the site by free energy? i think it is the best!!! if you want to prove overunity. i have seen alot of stupid ideas but, if you think about playing with "HOTWHEELS", when yiu were a kid, all you have to do is put a verticle loop at the end of the track.
i guess that you wanted videos, but just think of those hotwheels cars running through the loop. maybe you had the "johnny lightning set" with the little wheele house that shot the cars through. which ever this seems alot better to me.
all you have to do is put a track off the end and put a verticle loop in the track bringing it back to the magnetic accelerator. BAMM!!!!! THERE YOU HAVE IT!!!!!!
lol
sam
Hey konduct!
Guess what?
Not only has free energy been discovered and developed for over 50 years in black op US projects, it has been disclosed by over 500 top secret top credential government staff with years under their belts. Also, to show you how serious it is, each one is willing to go under oath in front of congress to testify what they know.
I hope youre crapping your pants by now.
What this means is that, all of you fools who really think youre going to make a pretty penny off selling paper airplanes instead of showing others how to build them... are ignorant! Sadly, we simply don't have time left for that anymore if we are to have a future at all.
Lets say you do discover the secret configuration of the alien's spaceship power supply. Do you really think the money would be enough? No! Now you can be free of money, you can grow acres of food underground and sell it. You could watch tv, take a year off, take an electric heater and your computer into your underground hut (with electricity) and develop your life in any way you wish, without anyone telling you otherwise. Feel like takin a year off work? Go ahead! The food will keep growing!. Now what is money.
You do realize free energy is the end of the money system, and this is why people are having a hard time making money off of it. Sheesh. Talk about right over your head.
http://tinyurl.com/r6lmy
You see, it came, they got it, and decided it was so big that it should be kept hush hush for the time being. Then, they looked around and realized, why say anything?! They just found UFOs! Why not take them apart and have some fun. Why not kill those who would oppose, isnt this worth it? And so we find ourselves in the boat we are in today...
Apparently, it appears our government has abandoned us. We are on our own and free energy isnt going to be a luxury that costs money, but an emergency repair kit for society.
Shame on you for trying to make money off of this, really. How can you be so naive? We are working together here to develop this, you have NO idea who we're up against, because they dont make themselves known.... but theyre real.
STONERMAN,
you need the 486!!! where in the hell have you seen this s***? maybe you should watch the videos again.
lol
sam
Really Konduct we have seen and heard all this before,and we just don't care.
Here is something else to consider:
Judging from your posts I would guess your a kid, maybe 16 or under, you have nothing working or even tried, you get bored and decide to come here and raise some shit, provoke some people, then you sit back and laugh at all of us delusional losers. Am I getting warm?
And if and when someone in this forum made a big discovery you would tell your friends you were there and maybe you had a part in it. I have seen this over and over, it's nothing new, Im not sure why I am even responding to this post,it is a waste of time. So if you read this post, why not make a constructive contribution- critize what you do not like-offer your point of view-you have as much to offer as anyone.
lol...Canadian...pretty cold actually.
I have been actively building on these motors for 6 months straight...I have more to do than rile people up...however I can see that I come across a little childish and inflammatory sometimes. However, it did get a dialogue going didn't it? (My original post got no responses.=) And I do not feel that anyone here is delusional! We're all pretty much on the same mission here. (And in reference to my age and/or taking credit for something that I had nothing to do with...I DO NOT WANT CREDIT FOR THIS! (For the third time.) Why? So the big brother spooks that Stonerman is referencing can come wipe out my research? Kill the tech? So the media can make up lies? Nope...you can have the credit....I'll take the financial security! =) And even though I may act 16 from time to time...I'm nearly 30 years old...
And Stonerman....DUDE! I know! I have taken all of these and several other things into consideration. I have family that works in very important areas of the energy industry and I have taken decent measures to protect my health and research. You wanna know something kind of freaky? The minute I started hitting web pages along a certain "line of thought"...all my communications went down at my location...cable, cell phone, and most importantly, internet got dropped at the same time(Not electricity though?)...maybe one or the other could cut out temporarily...but my cell always has full coverage at that location and it was dead as a doornail. Although I was a little freaked out, peaking out of my blinds, waiting for CTF or something...I had a good feeling that night...cause I knew I was close!
So screw the feds...it's always been up to "the people" to get things done, right? BUT...Stonerman...let's say a free energy generator exists and the technology is readily available...you can build yours...I can build mine...but whos is going to build my grandmother's generator for her? She can't do it...I doubt you're going to spend the rest of your life building them for free, are you? So who pays for the parts and labor? THE CONSUMER! Free energy doesn't mean the end of capitalism...it just means the end of pollution! (And unfortunately, several thousand line workers' jobs!) (We could run a massive air conditioner for free and cool the planet back down!) =) People are happy to pay money for something as long as it's a fair value! I can't give it away to everybody if I wanted to! Parts cost money! So sir, really think about what is considered naive...that the world will fall into complete decadent, economical anarchy? Or that the technology will be integrated into society as so many other revolutionary discoveries have been? Just means a savings on electric bills and a cleaner planet. And if the all the pioneers here in this forum can't come together, and use the power of this technology to help better the world through organized planning, then General Electric deserves to make all the profit. Because that is most likely what will happen...It's always the little guys who do all the work, and the Big guys who HAVE THEIR SHIAT TOGETHER that turn it into profit!
Folks...the shielding is nothing special...no exotic materials...no outside electricity...no nitrogen...no vacuum...and even better yet!!!!!! I just got my hands on some this morning that is so barely attracted to the magnets that 1 inch neo rings fall / slide off of it! They won't even hold themselves to it! Yet will completely block the fields!!!! I bought 5 of them...@ $1.79 apiece! =)
The ONLY reason I am being stingy with any of this info, is because I have worked hard, spent money, neglected my fiancee, put off my biggest clients, and skipped out on a lot of other opportunities for at least 6 months to just get this far! I know many of you have done all of this and more for even longer. I just have plans for this and don't want to screw it up! If you can't understand or respect that...then you should try and be a little more well rounded individuals...If you guys want it, really want it, just agree to let me help get the R&D and production financed through my connections. We could be a part of a legitimate company together and revel in the fact that we accomplished something astounding, together, as a team! Otherwise...we are all a bunch of individuals. The media can easily dis-credit one person! They can't do that so easily with a group of people... With the software that is available today...some seventh grade kid is going to figure it out and we'll all be left short anyway...
I can't hide this info because it's already out there. I think I originally found the answer on some University message board. The difference is that the people on this forum care about it! The vast majority doen't realize the importance!
Enough preaching...I think we can all make this work as a team. But we've got to get on the same page. Sean...if you're still reading here...I'd trust you to contact me and discuss this further if you're interested. email is kbentley@besttechdesign.com
For the rest of the audience... I was reading the history of the material I'm using for shielding and it said that the actual discovery date was somewhere in the early 1900's. But the important thing about the discovery I'd like to point out is that it was the result of nearly 80 years of work done by multiple people / scientists WORKING TOGETHER! Oh, the irony!
Ok- Im a freak i'll admit it, I read some of my posts here and there, I was out of line more than a few times, ignorant really. I have read so much shit in the news lately, about how everything is going to hell, and it's stressing me out big time. Konduct, sorry if I was out of line, you did sound very young in your earlier posts though. Ive been researching OU for about a year or so, I have an insane amount of research on this and I have to admit,shielding is the ticket. I just posted a thread called "free armature motor", I thought it up this weekend so it's rough, it solves some problems but it is not even close to where this PM technology has to go. If you can totally shield magnetic fields, and shield forces are neutral you do realize you have the holy grail of PM free energy? If so all I can say is hurry up and don't drop it!
PS- I have also done an insane amount of research on inventors, the history, economics and why they have failed and sadly I think I will never see your invention which is a pity, I wish you the best of luck
Holy shit I think I got it in 2 days-
a magnetic shield that will not let magnetic fields pass but will have neutral forces to the permanent magnet= paramagnetic/diamagnetic laminate.
Take paramagnetic materials and diamagnetic materials in thin layers to form a laminate which neither repels nor is attracted to magnetic fields, thus no magnetic field can pass through it and it is magnetically neutral, brilliant!
This has got to be it, what you describe in your post.
Google these materials match materials vs thickness to magnets used.Bingo
Hey canadian...lol...I love you man... I was about to say that you were off track, but I had to look up "paramagnetic" first. =) Turns out you are right on track and maybe even a better one! However, I haven't seen any diamagnetic materials that seem strong enough to really affect the 1/2 neo rods I'm using...but..."paramagnetic" is all we need. No laminate other than some very small air/non-permeable layers.
I didn't actually use the term paramagnetic in my research though...might have helped it along.
Any suggestions for premium paramagnetic materials?
My idea is to keep on tinkering with the magnetic fields until a path is made through the "sticky point" that the rotor can slide through but get more energy out than used going in. It would just require testing configuration after configuration. Eventually, you would find such a configuration. However, there would be tons and tons of variables to test.
It's all in the distance...you can test your configuration early by hand holding the mags you plan on using and measuring the distance of the field drop off.
I'm more interested in how different shapes and sizes of magnets can manipulate the flux of each other. Just feeling the fields by hand with another magnet is certainly possible, but some visual aid like magnetic viewing film might help too. What are some of your ideas about getting a magnet past a sticky point?
For example, lets say you have a rotor magnet and a stator magnet that both have their north pole facing each other. How can you manipulate the flux of either the stator or the rotor so the rotor can slip through the sticky point easily and then gain speed on the way out?
shielding ...all in the shielding...
Well, I'm not saying magnetic shielding would not work. But I also think various types of permanent magnets could work too. Now, I'm talking about fairly complex arrangements. What if the stator had magnets below and above the rotor? Sort of like this....
_______ Magnet
l
l
l Rotor Magnet________
l
l
l_______ Magnet
Wouldn't work...play with some permanent magnets...If there is one thing I have learned...all magnets want to do is balance themselves...to equally distribute field strength...they will find the point of least resistance and stay there. Have you played with any magnets yet? Magnetic fields are not able to "control" themselves...they just react.
Quote from: konduct on November 06, 2006, 03:09:15 AM
Wouldn't work...play with some magnets...If there is one thing I have learned...all magnets want to do is balance themselves...to equally distribute field strength...they will find the point of least resistance and stay there. Have you played with any magnets yet? Magnetic fields are not able to "control" themselves...they just react.
i guess if you're talking about electromagnetic then i think they possibly have "control" over them selfs.
Konduct I think we are definately on the same wavelength here, I have tried hundreds of experiments and the outcome is always the same- sticky spot, balanced forces, you cannot get around this as far as I know. If you can shield the "B" field basically any configuration of magnets can work, no tuning or setup really , it works first and every time. Just lately I have found some very promising ways to shield a magnetic field, the best I have ever come across.
1) paramagnetic/diamagnetic laminate shield- combination of materials in repulsion and attraction in the same instance, leading to neutral characteristics. As well redirecting laminate shields have been around a long time-thin metal shields seperated by an air space. The bigger issue here is eddy currents- no eddy currents means the shield moves unhindered into and out of the permanent magnetic field.
2) weak magnetic shield- take the material used on the back of refrigerator magnets, it is a weak magnet, thus it will block stronger magnetic fields, but it will become polarized so you alternate between n-s-n-s poles to keep the field neutral. There is one thing you learn with magnets after hundreds of experiments- a permanent magnet is a permanent field-everything else is not. Other than another magnet or electromagnet nothing will act the same.
My offer is still up for when you guys get this together to design 3d movies of it, with all parts scaled correctly for mass replication... my email is stonrman401@gmail.com
Awaiting the email of one willing to release freedom to the masses...
patience :)
Oh, and if you MIBs wanna come shoot me, you better do it now before it's too late.
Not like there's much left I want anyways, I've lived this dream world for long enough to know it is just a circle of lies.
"So screw the feds...it's always been up to "the people" to get things done, right? BUT...Stonerman...let's say a free energy generator exists and the technology is readily available...you can build yours...I can build mine...but whos is going to build my grandmother's generator for her? She can't do it...I doubt you're going to spend the rest of your life building them for free, are you? So who pays for the parts and labor? THE CONSUMER!"
Wow, what a claim. Where do I start.
First of all, when a bunch of people hear there is a way to generate free electricity forever, it doesn't become a question of who will build one for who, it will become a question of which store isnt out of stock for parts, resulting in probably that store getting more parts and sales (if theyre smart). People without a F/E generator will be like people without cellphones, everyone will have one. You're talking about a way for countless poor to save money, is there any way this WONT become controlled by the people (not you, secret black ops, or scientists).
It is not about money in the end. It's about it leaking slowly, and those who are wise and watching carefully, keeping their patience to get it out to everyone, because we all know this "mystery" is going to leak, seeing as how it is coming from ALL directions right now. Even those who have it but are silent, are forgotten about. It's not important to keep it undercover, it's important to go on independent anonymous missions of spreading the word in any way possible, and showing the others the way.
Everyone talks a lot of free energy. Everyone says what it could do. Everyone says they have one or a great idea of how it would work. But thats not helping me when Im in school all day, scribbling pictures of magnet configurations, scratching the hair out of my balding head as another day is wasted, for a crumbling way of life.
I was under the impression when you came in here that you had figured out a way to get free electricity, and that it could be easily replicated. I also got the vibe that you didnt care to share this information, and that also you wanted money. Money from people who have been pumping their money into a machine bent on keeping this hidden from them. Gee, just how much money do people have these days? Id say, we're in a position that if the water, electricity, food supply or anything from the government is cut off, we will ALL perish and become chaotic. This is what is our future if free energy doesn't become public.
I guess youre just as clueless as me then, since if you really had something, you would realize the importance of explaining it in great detail, and releasing it to many forums for others to study, and help out with.
So yeah. I've said my piece. Put up or shutup.
Just out of curiousity, what did you search for that made HAARP fuck with you? or is that a secret too?
I think it's pretty obvious "we" have nothing, were trying to make something work here. Sharing information-Konduct said he had a shield, I had looked at shields and redirection but not exclusively- so his being here inspired me to look deeper. I have come to the conclusion that shielding is definately the way to go and started some experiments, so really while some could say Konduct has offered little- the reality is I have been shown what I should have known, a better way,inspiration. So the question is- if you are inspired to succeed does it matter where the inspiration came from? No
Anyways I found some good info- (www.aacg.bham.ac.uk/magnetic_materials/type.htm) it has some really understandable info on what we are getting at. I tried diamagnetic materials Au, Cu, graphite with nothing, but may have hit on something. Paramagnetic and antiferromagnetic materials basically form random orientations in a magnetic field(small negative forces), while ferromagnetic materials align with the field and have large positive forces. So any shield would be rather large, so I think an effective shield would be a combination of shielding and redirection, paramagnetic material not blocking but effectively switching a field.
Quote from: konduct on November 06, 2006, 03:09:15 AM
Wouldn't work...play with some permanent magnets...If there is one thing I have learned...all magnets want to do is balance themselves...to equally distribute field strength...they will find the point of least resistance and stay there. Have you played with any magnets yet? Magnetic fields are not able to "control" themselves...they just react.
Very well spoken konduct, I'm maximally agree with this statement, this is one of the biggest clue about permanent magnets. However, I think it isn't state, that you cannot "force" them to do what you want from them.
I believe, if we know how to play the game, there will be other possibilities appear. Shielding is one considerable possibility. But not the only one. "There are more things..."
Greg
Quote from: allcanadian on November 08, 2006, 01:11:58 PM
I have come to the conclusion that shielding is definately the way to go...
I tried diamagnetic materials Au, Cu, graphite with nothing, but may have hit on something. Paramagnetic and antiferromagnetic materials basically form random orientations in a magnetic field(small negative forces), while ferromagnetic materials align with the field and have large positive forces. So any shield would be rather large, so I think an effective shield would be a combination of shielding and redirection, paramagnetic material not blocking but effectively switching a field.
Stick with ferromagnetic materials as a shield. Magnetic flux must always form a closed loop - no exceptions. If you try to "block" it you'll force it into itself and risk demagnetization. By using a ferromagnetic material you just change the direction of the flux/field lines. This "shield" is properly called a "shunt" since it provides a better path for the flux to take rather than actually shielding it. The shunt need only be thick enough that it does not saturate, and large enough to take the entire field on the face of the magnet. The Russian Magnet Motor (mentioned elsewhere) is right on track and unless the rotor is passing through the magnetic field vector (like Steorn probably does to get that little "boost", then you have to use a shunt.
@konduct:
So, you got the goods - congratualtions. Their all over the place. European Patent Office has about 1600 listed.
@Grumpy
I don't understand--- If you try to "block" it you'll force it into itself and risk demagnetization
A PM's magnetic field is a closed loop always going back into itself , if you shield it you are just redirecting the field back into itself, instead of a ferromagnetic material, so effectively the magnet thinks it is nowhere near this ferromagnetic material- the shield is not repelling the field it is magnetically neutral or zero force, the original PM field just cannot penetrate it- Big difference.
Quote from: allcanadian on November 08, 2006, 03:27:27 PM
@Grumpy
I don't understand--- If you try to "block" it you'll force it into itself and risk demagnetization
A PM's magnetic field is a closed loop always going back into itself , if you shield it you are just redirecting the field back into itself, instead of a ferromagnetic material, so effectively the magnet thinks it is nowhere near this ferromagnetic material- the shield is not repelling the field it is magnetically neutral or zero force, the original PM field just cannot penetrate it- Big difference.
what if it were to be used in this fashion? http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1073.0.html were the arms of the wheels flaps close "blocking" the magnetic field. with the help of gravity.
Quote from: allcanadian on November 08, 2006, 03:27:27 PM
@Grumpy
I don't understand--- If you try to "block" it you'll force it into itself and risk demagnetization
A PM's magnetic field is a closed loop always going back into itself , if you shield it you are just redirecting the field back into itself, instead of a ferromagnetic material, so effectively the magnet thinks it is nowhere near this ferromagnetic material- the shield is not repelling the field it is magnetically neutral or zero force, the original PM field just cannot penetrate it- Big difference.
A material that "repels" the field is not suitable. Put the "keeper" on a horseshoe magnet - notice that it will no longer attract anything. Put a piece of steel over the face of a magnet and that face will no longer repel another magnet. Try it. Two magnets and a piece of steel - use the top of a can or a steel rule - don't even bother cutting it to size, just slap in over the face of the magnet. You should notice that the face of the other magnet that once was repelled is not atracted. Nature is pretty slick...
Grumpy
Useing a keeper to short circuit PM flux is common knowledge, the problem is you can never come out ahead because the force to remove the keeper is equal to the force that put it there. I am not talking about a repulsion field in the shield, Im refering to shield that has a balanced field. Here's a good experiment-
Take two magnets in repulsion about 1" apart then insert a thin metal piece of flat iron exactly inbetween both magnets. You will notice than the magnets no longer repel each other, and if the space between the magnets and flat iron is correct they do not attract to the metal of the flat iron either because the attraction to the metal is balanced with the repulsion between the magnets, so the system is balanced.
So what if you made a shield that was balanced internally due to the materials used, it would not be attracted or repelled from magnetic fields,but would block them by redirecting the field back into itself. By redirecting a field back into itself I mean the north pole field would rather return to the south pole because the route around the shield is longer and magnetic fields take the shortest route in a closed system. to understand this google magnetic levitation they use balanced fields, it's interesting that most physicists said magnetic levitation was impossible, which is now common place-once again the scientists put there foot in there mouth.
Quote from: allcanadian on November 09, 2006, 12:23:30 AM
Useing a keeper to short circuit PM flux is common knowledge, the problem is you can never come out ahead because the force to remove the keeper is equal to the force that put it there.
This is not true. You can move the shield with less energy than the field imparts to the rotor. Allow the shield to almost touch the magnet - put a thin piece of slick palstic tape over it. It can actually touch the magnet, but friction may be too high. You can have a fixed magnet a foot long and it will not take much more force to slide the shield, but the field will be very strong.
The shield does not have to slide all of the way off the face fo the magnet - just enough to expose the field - 3/4's exposure is good. You can slide it back and forth by hand and get the rotor to spin slowly.
Free Energy...Thank you for your reply...your "flapper" is truly unique! I think there are some possibilities there. One thing I am wondering about is that when the flap is open, it offsets the balance of the rotor. Even though the weight would be the same, the distance from the axle would be greater, putting more leverage on on side. Even though it would be a little more difficult to build, perhaps a "slider" may be incoporated to keep the axis a closer to "balanced."
Hello Grumpy
I think we are talking about the same thing, have the same opinions, But have different meanings for the terminology. When you say keeper, I see a piece of metal short circuiting the flux of a PM and is locked in the field. A shield must shield and not redirect the flux. In your last post I realized we are saying exactly the same thing, and I agree with what you have said completely, Your example of a foot long magnet and "shield" is mind boggling, I didn't get it for a minute then Wham, I can be a little slow at times. This is brilliant, I was looking at the LEMA as the best solution but I think you have a better one. It's just bizarre that the answers are always right on the end of your nose but you can't see them. So let me get this straight- you have a foot long magnet screwed to a table, above it (a few mm)is a piece of flat iron let's say 8" long, this flat iron has wheels keeping it 2mm above the magnet and can roll back and forth. So the flat iron never leaves the magnetic field and can move freely(which I knew)except if it moves fast eddy currents slow it down , so you don't move it fast. Above the flat iron is a rotor with iron cores spaced around the circumference, or better two rotors, one on each end.
The flat iron shields the magnetic field from the one rotor, and exposes the other rotor, the shield moving back and forth then alternates the magnetic field on the rotors. This is just too simple-which is why I never had a clue, it needs some refining but this is definately something I have to build!
Have you built this Grumpy? can you tell me anything else? this rocks
Grumpt
This is what I was thought you meant, it's crude but get's to the point.
Quote from: konduct on November 09, 2006, 09:10:32 PM
One thing I am wondering about is that when the flap is open, it offsets the balance of the rotor. Even though the weight would be the same, the distance from the axle would be greater, putting more leverage on on side. Even though it would be a little more difficult to build, perhaps a "slider" may be incoporated to keep the axis a closer to "balanced."
yeah i think you are right, the arms are open for the magnets but also since the arms are extended/open there is more weight on that side of the wheel. the forces cancels each other out :(
anyways what do you think of this wheel http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,894.0.html
i was also thinking of using this wheel in a pure gravitational way where you would have maybe like 10 wheels (same type of wheel, one next to each other in a loop) in a loop and would start one of the wheels manualy, it would have a domino effect continuously.
I meant like this (see image), but you are close. Use opposing magnets on the rotor - iron will always attract. If you put the magnets in cups or somehow wrap steel around them, the exposed pole will be up to four times stronger. Check this link out:
http://www.leevalley.com/shopping/Instructions.aspx?p=54198
The motor can be created axially or radially, but radially handles the deflection better when the fields interact. Axial orientation lets you use both sides of the rotor, but it has to be stiff.
Also, no eddy currents if shield does not leave the field (i.e. cross the field lines). You nailed that part.
Hello grumpy
I have built that exact same motor and the problem I had was when the shield is moved to the side- the farther it moves from center of field the greater the force required, you can't get this energy back again because by that time the rotor magnet has moved from register, the force to move shield away =3, force pulling it back to register =1, equalling -2. I don't know I have tried all this and could not come out ahead. But---But if the lower magnet is larger and the shield does not get even close to the edge of the magnet-then maybe the shield can have neutral forces. That is why the motor I had shown has a large magnet on the bottom and the shield is smaller. As well, I have found it very difficult to balance a shield between two magnets in repulsion-the repulsion force must match the attraction of both magnets to the shield exactly- and when the shield moves everything changes- It looks easy, but definately not in reality. I think Im going to try the motor I had posted I have not tried that configuration yet, I'll keep you posted.
sounds like your friction was too high. How was the shield constrained. can't use sliding friction - must roll.
making it a one-way wheel would probably help too.
Grumpy and all !
Looks like I am allready way ahead with this idea of mine.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,316.100.html
Complete prototype will be finished till 15.12.2006
and then I'll need your assistance and expertize (shield here, shield there, this material, that material...)
Mr. Konduct on the other hand proposes something with attract as a work mechanism.
Well I would like to see it cause that way it could go and never even wory bout depleting the mags.
@FreeEnergy
What a complicated and low output wheel !
wiz
@wizkycho
You have the classic dog chasing his tail PM machine, nice design. I agree with you that an attraction motor is the way to go, the problem is the flux goes straight through the shield-thus there is no shield. These PM motors have one common element I believe shows promise, that is a continuous magnetic field on one side so the shield never leaves this field. Wesley Gary stated this 80 years ago so it is nothing new, making it work so anyone could build it- that would be something new!
Best of luck