Miller Colson Magnetic Motor
being discussed here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20583-miller-colson-magnetic-motor.html
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*U.S. Patent No. 8,487,484 B1* World's first working, practical, and patented magnetic engine. For more information contact Sonny Miller, Inventor and designer, by e-mail at:
cal500llc@gmail.com
or by phone at:
+1 (229) 821-3067
Credits:
Marc Miller, Alexander Miller, Mike Kilroy [Kilroy Corp. Electronics], Walter Duft PA Patents, Ray Tobin - Mechanic, Jan Hawk [Hawk Diesel]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2JTwbIpf6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWggsnpEk_s
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8487484B1/en
Legal status: Active
Application number: US13421219
Inventors:
Harold L. Miller, Jr.
Andrew E. Colson, Jr.
Current Assignee: Torque Multipliers LLC
Original Assignee: Torque Multipliers LLC
Priority date: 2012-03-15
Filing date: 2012-03-15
Publication date: 2013-07-16
Grant date: 2013-07-16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patent Abstract
A magnetic drive apparatus includes first and second magnet carriers carrying first and second permanent magnet arrangements. An intermediate magnet carrier disposed between the first and second magnet carriers carries a third permanent magnet arrangement. The magnet carriers are arranged for rotation relative to each other such that the magnet arrangements produce magnetic interactions that result in power stroke forces causing the magnet carriers to undergo relative reciprocation in first and second stroke directions during power zone portions of the relative rotation. The magnetic interactions impart substantially no power stroke forces during dead zone portions of the relative rotation. The dead zones include magnet carrier relative rotation positions wherein opposing magnetic poles are mutually coaxially aligned but produce a substantially equal balance of push and pull magnetic forces. The apparatus may be synchronized so that the dead zones coincide with top dead center and bottom dead center relative reciprocation positions.
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all comments welcome
respectfully
Chet K
Quite a simple concept ,on quite a large scale...
the first vid again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2JTwbIpf6o
respectfully
Chet K
I suppose it was smart to use those powerful servo drives to take the place of Mr. hands on a machine using such large magnets.
Although I'm not sure why they would need them when the timing could of easily been geared directly off the crank.
So Chet,
Have you asked Tinsel yet how a couple of bloody knuckle diesel mechanics where able to outsmart some of the greatest scientific and engineering minds the world has to offer?
My son showed this video to his physics teacher and she naturally said, "That's impossible!"
Is the worm about to turn?
Bring on the 3D printed wearable magnet motor...
Chet
I have watched that video a couple of times now,and i believe that it is the servo motors doing the work here--not the magnets.
The servo motors rock the stator field back and forth,between attraction and repulsion mode.
If the servo motors were removed,and replaced by a mechanical mechanism driven from the crank shaft,then the motor would not run,as more force is required to rock the stator magnets back and forth than the motor itself can provide.
Brad
Exactly!
Though it may be possible that the servo drives need to provide a more elliptical rotation to achieve a working result and may in fact not require much power.
In which case they should have connected a generator to provide sustainable power to the servo drives as proof of concept.
Or used elliptical gearing to match the servo drives and eliminate them.
Dog
Tinsel has won too many Cheeseburger bets already and is paying the price ...
{drilling more holes in the belt I am sure]
Brad
This monster has much to look at [oversized eye candy] and most certainly the point you mention is suspect [as Lumen also noted], however I do believe there is such great force at work here [chassis is crazy big iron] and his "engine management computer" seems to
talk with these servos which he says are run off the Motor....?
perhaps the tolerances are hard to maintain and require great tuning strength / sensitivity of these type servos ??
and if they are run off the rig then their tuning function and movements would be Moot in the energy analysis!
I will see if he'll take a call tomorrow.
thanks for all input and comments
Chet K
Servos? We don't need no stinkin servos......just a rubber band!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFZd-shL8nw
What interests me about this Miller Colson device is the patent on it. Perhaps it is worth a cheese burger run. A much scaled down version would be a fun build but I doubt seriously it would ever self-run. A bit of help from Mr. Hand or a AA might do it. ;D
Cheers.
--- Rusty
I love it!!
now run it off a solar cell which charges a supercap which runs the circuit which lights the LED which.... hehe
Well I think i understood the principle.. it could run.. I have rotors with magnets (not quite that size but over an inch diameter) and they have increadible force when the two disks are in attraction mode... i even had to remove the magnets because I could not get them a part..
but i do not think i have the caftmanship to build this.. i mean to have the center disk rotating while having a linear movement.. and worse.. controlling the rotation... i would not even know what tools to use to build that..
Luc
Well
I had a nice chat with an associate of Mr.Miller
Would seem the first unit went into runaway mode ,and yes there are Monstrous magnetic forces in motion here [the reason for
the huge Chassis on the second Rig ].
hopefully there will be more to come soon.[a tentative call on Thursday]
respectfully
Chet K
Hilarious! The first thing that came to mind while watching the first part of that video is.... how do you _stop_ it?
But I'll bet a cheezburger that I already know how... you just disconnect the electrical power. ;)
Also there seems to be some confusion about the difference between "watts" as claimed by the presenter, and "amps" as measured by the clampon meter.
I think this is the first magnet motor, Ive seen that I can allso
see some reason as to why it might really work.
Like all of you I was wondering why he has electrical servos for timing. I asked him that. If you look in the comment section after my question you can see his reply. Basically he says the machine will run either way, with mechanical or electric servo which gives him timing changes on the fly and therefore more control of speed and power. Interesting machine!!
As the resident Metrologist and Cheeseburgler dooly noted
unplugging the unit from the mains would be a good thing!
There are some members arranging a Visit to assist these gentleman in their venture and help to qualify this claim and hopefully "unplug" it from the mains and Plug it into the history books [which is where it belongs if it can self run]
scheduled for November.
will keep you posted
One thing I would like to see is a thermal image of this device running. Does it get hot or cold and what parts. I had a recurring dream years ago that I had indeed built a self-running machine and left it running over night. The next morning it was still running but covered in frost and the run battery had been over (back) charged and burst.
If a thermal image of this magnet motor shows heating---that energy has to come from somewhere. If it is shown to run stone cold or gets colder then perhaps my dream came true. Dreams are fun. Even wild ones. They sometimes lead to a different reality through a twisted path. I can't wait until November to see what happens on this venture. Who will get the cheeseburger?
--Rusty
To Note
Longtime member and a very gifted builder/experimenter "Dusty"[not to be confused with Rusty] has made a Tutorial Video
explaining his interpretation of the Miller Colson design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWgz51pmRpI
respectfully
Chet K
Looks to me like mechanically there is a sweet spot between linear pulling force and rotational torque required to switch the magnetic direction.
Makes one wonder if there is an electrical equivalent to this technique...
To Note
Longtime member and a very gifted builder/experimenter "Dusty"[not to be confused with Rusty] has made a Tutorial Video
explaining his interpretation of the Miller Colson design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWgz51pmRpI
respectfully
Chet K
This is what I was hoping for---someone to build a model of the how it is supposed to operate. One can easily see that if you motorized the action with "timing" motors it would look like it was running on magnetic power. I don't think it would ever work without that but what a cool looking device. A good flywheel and low friction bearings would really help.
If Dusty gets this better developed I might try a scaled down 'kitchen table' version. Thanks for posting this Chet.
---Rusty
I see Dusty has added more thoughts and ideas here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgywiaqlHlQ&feature=em-upload_owner
@ramset
Re: dusty's timing ring ..very nice !
I hope he wont mind if I borrow it for the "twist drive".
Force to rotate the crank will increase if his lateral travel is
opposed.
thanks for the update
cheers
Experimenter Dusty (Batgold https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEK03aTe0amJbFCvm871-7Q) does a very good job explaining this strange concept.
Still, I do not understand how the gained energy (if there is any gain) can be led out? Will it be like in a steam engine or any piston engine? Turning reciprocal movement into turning by help of a crank and may be a fly wheel?
If it is for a pump the reciprocal movement would be fine?
And yes, it has a lot to do with Floor's idea.
Greetings, Conrad
Dusty has been busy today
Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8EtzJI-WoY
part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGjZ7GY_-ns
Good work from Dusty. Hope he can mill away all that red plastic that is acting like a large weight. That wood circle could be turned into swiss cheese with a drill to lighten it up some.
Not sure if this is real but I hope so. I don't mind electrical servo motors being used, as long as the electrical power is being generated by the device.
If it turns out to not self run but is at least a more efficient motor with the help from magnets, that could be cool.
I suspect if Dusty removes the cam mechanism and really studies the motion and where the forces are, he can create a map that can then be engineered into a really good cam system. Just winging it like he has done so far isn't going to be good enough IMHO. Whether this will bring self running operation or not is yet to be determined. What Dusty needs to avoid is feeding Tinsel another cheeseburger. :)
The other thing I don't see Dusty capitalizing on is the back-n-forth force. Sonny used what looked like some sort of crankshaft/connecting-rod mechanism to extract this force. This linear force added to the rotational force might be just enough to put him over the top--quite certain both are required to come anywhere near OU.
here si my simple replication of this motor... but for now it is not working... i will try some adjustments and add flywheel...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M5ZXGxzAKw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M5ZXGxzAKw)
see ya ;)
Sir
thanks for showing your work
I had heard that there were some measurement issues with the drive motor that powered the unit ?and the machine could not run itself separate from the grid [no self run] .....this was a few years back...they might have figured out what to do by now ?
respectfully
Chet K