Hi All,
Did a lot of thinking on this build with many prototypes from the past.
This series is a new version of the Clem Engine I call," The Tornado Hydraulic Implosion Motor".
This is part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI-lzWfaXcY
Tom
How my version of the Clem engine will work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD96cTGZDeo&t=333s
I'm looking for information on The Clem Engine Series.
Hi All,
I'm testing the claims of the pump design as a cone type of screw pump with a few prototypes 3d printed models.
Very interesting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHI-bX_XMXM&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHI-bX_XMXM&feature=youtu.be)
Tom
Quote from: TommeyLReed on November 07, 2017, 07:19:05 PM
Hi All,
I'm testing the claims of the pump design as a cone type of screw pump with a few prototypes 3d printed models.
Very interesting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHI-bX_XMXM&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHI-bX_XMXM&feature=youtu.be)
Tom
It looks like the centrifugal force in the disk shaped element sucks the water up. This will work without a vortex in the cone shaped element. A simple straight hole instead of the vortex will do. The cone shaped element could be a simple pipe.
See the attached drawing.
Greetings, Conrad
I believe your recommendation and many similar have been done over the years [by Tom] ,
he is doing empirical testing thru actual builds.. and has been for quite some time.
an amazing amount of work.
and he is seeing positive results!!
respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: Ronnachai on November 06, 2017, 11:26:02 PM
I'm looking for information on The Clem Engine Series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OzcUp7i5sk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OzcUp7i5sk) interesting drawings starting at minute 5:19
This video seems to show that only the disk shaped element is important and that a simple pipe sucks up the fluid (no vortex in a cone shaped element).
But a vortex provides nice esoterics which is always good for creating interest.
The Clem Engine is known as "contrifugal pump" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaEHVpKc-1Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaEHVpKc-1Q)
A well working centrifugal pump has to be filled with fluid in order to start pumping. If one wants starting with air (fluid not yet in the pump at start up) one has to build a less effective pump.
Since TommeyLReed wants start up with air, he has to use slimmer ducts in the disk shaped element. He could use wider ducts in the disk shaped element (better pumping efficiency) if he filled the disk shaped element with water prior to start up.
Greetings, Conrad
Hi Conrad,
Thank you for your information and comments.
What if a 7 stage pump as Richard Clem's claim his system used?
Do you really need a average external pump to generate pressure for the rim jets or can it be built more efficient as a single unit?
We re about to find out with this new 6 stage pump design. I'm building this with my 3d printer as a experiment with even 4 rim jets to test one of many claims of the Clem engine.
My design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPFHpSn2doI&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPFHpSn2doI&feature=youtu.be)
Great video to verify my design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guATpg2drs4
Tom
Quote from: TommeyLReed on November 11, 2017, 08:09:29 AM
What if a 7 stage pump as Richard Clem's claim his system used?
We re about to find out with this new 6 stage pump design. I'm building this with my 3d printer as a experiment with even 4 rim jets to test one of many claims of the Clem engine.
A 3D printer is a wonderful tool to build these rotors. Sooner or later I have to buy one.
I do not want to play the wise guy, but "7 stage pump" is not the right expression. It should be named "7 fold pump".
Arranging pumps in"stages" would increase the pressure from one pump to the next. A "7 fold pump" (the Clem design) does not increase the pressure but the throughput. A "7 fold pump" would increase the throughput times 7 (would pump 7 times more liquid than a single pump).
Each rotor (the disk shaped element) of the "7 fold pump" or "6 fold pump" sucks with the same intensity (due to the centrifugal force imparted on the liquid in the rotor ducts). Each rotor creates the same centrifugal force. The centrifugal force depends on the speed of the rotation, the diameter of the disk and the weight of the liquid.
Greetings, Conrad
"Arranging pumps in"stages" would increase the pressure from one pump to the next. A "7 fold pump" (the Clem design) does not increase the pressure but the throughput. A "7 fold pump" would increase the throughput times 7 (would pump 7 times more liquid than a single pump)."
Well, who really knows how the Clem engine was built? what little information is out there nobody has yet created a single working version.
The questions is how many gpm and rim jet thrust will it take to over come the rotation drag?
Thrust has too factors of the diameter of the rim jet and the flow rate that end up in amount of pressure needed.
In water rockets the formula of: "1.57*psi*d*d" is the force of the rim jet.
So, a 100 psi at a rim jet of .25 diameter would produce a thrust of 9.81lb.
The max speed of that thrust would be about sqrt(32+32*(psi/4.33)) =86.15ft/sec
So (86.15ft/sec*60)= 5169ft/min
The area of the rim jet is (pi*r^2)= 0.49
Flow rate = 5169*0.49/231=10.96 GPM
10.96*100/1714=0.64 mechanical hp needed to produce movement.
Next question is how big, 12" diameter would spin faster then a 24" diameter that would have greater torque but less speed.
12" diameter would produce about a (5169ft/min/3.14')= 1669 rpm max with no load not counting on wind drag and friction.
Even at half that speed 834.5 rpm the max torque load would be 4.9 foot pound or (834.5*4.9/5252)= .78 hp-15%-20%drag.
In other words I can't see rim jets running the Clem engine, that's why I went with hydraulics.
Thanks for the comments
Hi All,
I just finished this experimental pump just to verify if a internal centrifugal pump can or can not produce enough rim jet thrust to keep it running.
Tom
Hi All,
Part 2 of building the Clem engine and some math to explain my theories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6cU3aHO9eo
Tom
Hi All,
Ok, working on the first stage of the clem engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJpaxuaiZRo&feature=youtu.be
Tom
Hi All,
Been really busy and happy new year to all.
This is the first stage implosion motor completed.
I will be working on the second stage next.
Tom.
Hi Tommey,
You may have thought of this but if not I would like to share this with you.
I have been fallowing you with the Clem motor and I have a suggestion for you to think about. You say it is a water spout effect but I see in that what you are doing is in a way like a spout (for it sucks the water up)but it is not in the same dynamics of a water spout. Richard used a cone shaped drive to move the oil in. Just like the oil pump that would run a long time when shut off that gave him the Idea of his motor. Water needs to flow faster in the river when it narrows down and some times the water will rise in height to get out or go by the passageway. I think on the cone rotor you need to have the water moving the same rate and that is shown by having a channel cut into the cone that as it gets to the outer edge it becomes a lesser depth. In the center you have like lets say the cone moves 10 degrees and draws 1 cubic inch of water volume. In that 10 degrees of movement it only travels 1/2 inch. But on the out side rim of the discharge of the cone the 10 degrees is 5 inches of movement and there fore it would send out a smaller stream of water that would = the same volume (1 cubic inch) that is coming into the cone. This would set up the energy of a water spout that has been discovered to create a dimensional shift in nature. The tornado is the same thing and it has been discovered that is how straw has been passed though a pole. It is not by the force of the wind but that the pole shifted and came back into this dimension at the same time that the straw was in the same space. This was discovered in the 90s. I hope you understand what I am trying to say about the cone. Take care Ron at RLhammar@gmail.com (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=comments&redir_token=Viaf76LhGAfod2s5HQMw9wFmou18MTUxOTgwNzM4OEAxNTE5NzIwOTg4&q=http%3A%2F%2Fgmail.com%2F)
Hi peoples
I too have been working on the "Clem motor" thingy for a few years. I am currently working on a "version" using a 3D printer which certainly makes experimenting easier. Perhaps I am closer than ever now. The secret of this is to understand the physics involved and use drawings as a guide only but respect each item has a function.
The first thing is to ask is "where does the energy come from"? This is important if we want to answer the scoffers. Well the energy comes from the air - more specifically the temperature of it. That is why there is a heat exchanger shown. This causes the fluid from the "motor" to heat up to ambient before it cycles again. So what caused the fluid to need heating? The venturi effect as fluid is passed from high pressure/hot to low pressure /cold. Once started the process continues ad infinitum
So the conversion is made from heat energy (heat sourced from the atmosphere) to rotational energy - simple.