I have no doubts of the authenticity of the SM device but I have had misgivings about it from the start. I have become aware that it is possible for the device to go pear shaped with disastrous results. At first I thought that this might be a one in a million freak occurence. Lately I have come to the conclusion that this technology may pose serious safety. I trust that you will be responsible and not discuss what these issues are in a public forum. You never know who may be reading this.
If this is true then you we will have to accept that it will require the co-operation of governments to introduce and manage the introduction of this technology. We cannot and should not try to bypass governments and neither should we see them as the enemy standing in the way of progress, (except, unless we live in the United States). As only the US government knows how to resolve these safety issues it means that only the US government can introduce this technology.
I hope that forum members will act responsibly and not distribute working TPU plans on the internet. If you are able to reproduce the TPU I would, if I were you, approach officials representing a more progressive and enlightened government, like Sweden for instance, and ask them to study what you you have and maybe make recommendations. It is possible that their government scientists will be able to resolve the safety issues.
I am convinced that in thirty years time everyone will have a TPU in their home and Steven's name will rank with the immortals like Edison and Tesla. For that to happen the introduction of this technology will have to be carefully managed by governments. Like any potentially dangerous piece of technology like a bus or aircraft people have to be licensed to use it. Units will have to be installed in sealed containers with sensors attached to paging devices to alert the authorities of attempts to move them or tamper with them. These are challenges I am sure we can overcome, daunting though it may seem now.
I will no longer post to the Steve Marks section. Thanks to everone who participated in this momentous enterprise so important to the future of humanity. Each and every one of you will be remembered for the the role you played however small.
Goodbye
Quote from: Freedomfuel on November 29, 2006, 02:00:46 PM
I have no doubts of the authenticity of the SM device but I have had misgivings about it from the start. I have become aware that it is possible for the device to go pear shaped with disastrous results. At first I thought that this might be a one in a million freak occurence like exploding TV sets. Lately I have come to the conclusion that this technology may pose serious public safety and national security issues. I trust that you will be responsible and not discuss what these issues are in a public forum. You never know who may be reading this.
If this is true then you we will have to accept that it will require the co-operation of governments to introduce and manage the introduction of this technology. We cannot and should not try to bypass governments and neither should we see them as the enemy standing in the way of progress, (except, unless we live in the United States). As only the US government knows how to resolve these safety issues it means that only the US government can introduce this technology.
I hope that forum members will act responsibly and not distribute working TPU plans on the internet. If you are able to reproduce the TPU I would, if I were you, approach officials representing a more progressive and enlightened government, like Sweden for instance, and ask them to study what you you have and maybe make recommendations. It is possible that their government scientists will be able to resolve the safety issues.
I am convinced that in thirty years time everyone will have a TPU in their home and Steven's name will rank with the immortals like Edison and Tesla. For that to happen the introduction of this technology will have to be carefully managed by governments. Like any potentially dangerous piece of technology like a bus or aircraft people have to be licensed to use it. Units will have to be installed in sealed containers with sensors attached to paging devices to alert the authorities of attempts to move them or tamper with them. These are challenges I am sure we can overcome, daunting though it may seem now.
I will no longer post to the Steve Marks section. Thanks to everone who participated in this momentous enterprise so important to the future of humanity. Each and every one of you will be remembered for the the role you played however small.
Goodbye
The technology required to make a "free energy" machine is old and has
no threat to security what so ever. The governments would be amongst the last people I would trust as far as the well being of this planet. They would have billions of people burning polluting gasoline, which is destroying this planet.
This world is in
DISPARATE need of global "free energy" and I
BEG everyone to put forth as much effort as possible to make this a reality.
The SM machine is but one example of "free energy." The best form of "free energy" is an Energy Mover. IOW, a machine that simply moves the energy in ambient temperature to the device, say a television, and the television in turn gives off heat, which returns the energy back to the environment (ambient temperature). This is an energy loop. No energy created or destroyed. It is the best form of energy for this planet. The Magnetocaloric Effect is one means of moving ambient temperature energy to usable electricity.
Such technology requires Classical physics and is by no means advanced technology or a threat to any national security!!!!!!! Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance
Well said Paul.
There are many technologies out there now that if rolled out Globally would bring the cost of manafacture down, including wind power, solar power and many others that are available but the investment for the enviromental person installing them is way too much.
If the goverments really cared about the planet, then they would invest in these technologies already out there and also invest in new ideas that are coming to light. Even old ideas that are now causing interest again. But they do not, because at the moment they have a system that offers them control and the alternative enviromental friendly ideas/products do not offer them that luxury.
If you wanted to get a goverment grant to evolve an idea that eats fossil fuels, you would be spoilt for choice. Now find a grant for exploring alternative energy, you will struggle!
Regards
Sean.
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The technology required to make a "free energy" machine is old and has no threat to security what so ever. The governments would be amongst the last people I would trust as far as the well being of this planet. They would have billions of people burning polluting gasoline, which is destroying this planet.
This world is in DISPARATE need of global "free energy" and I BEG everyone to put forth as much effort as possible to make this a reality.
Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance
Gimme a break... :o
Our forum members have only just begun to make head way on this project and already one of our own is running a suppresion thread!
What the hell is going on here?
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed replicating this device tends to get some people worried like they know there is something wrong?
What are these "disasterous results" you mention?
::)
I should have added that the Xerox original is typed at an Internet caf?. Don't take chances. This is cheap insurance.
Open source is a good idea. Although I won't take the chance of attempting to post anything regarding the details of the smoking gun online. I am convinced the post will either be blocked or it will be deleted.
Why take the chance. Lets just be smart.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
Speaking of which I would like to point out: I back up important posts as often as possible to multible online and offline storage spots. You should all do the same... If only people would realize that dead men can tell tales and those scared in to submission may have uploaded or hardcopied the data in places where you can't delete it... So document and copy anything you think would be worthy of supresion to ensure the data will outlive us all. You never know who will try to destroy it... I left 5 copies of the Linnard patent in public book stores science sections and the ASU library. Its simple and fun, but most importantly it gets the word out to fresh minds.
Thanks to all of you who are proactively pushing foreward.
~Dingus
WE WILL NOT BE STOPPED!
It is too late to stop us now anyways considering how HUGE we have become. I am talking about the OPEN SOURCE Community! approx 75%+ of the Internet is Linux/Unix based servers. The Open Source Community does support and is very open to research and development of Free Energy / Over Unity Technologies. So I suggest sending it out to the Open Source Community if anybody has an actual working prototype and don't want it to be suppressed.
www.opensource.org
www.xubuntu.org
www.free-market.net
www.opensourceenergy.org
www.hackersclub.net
peace
I should have added that the Xerox original is typed at an Internet caf?. Don't take chances. This is cheap insurance.
Open source is a good idea. Although I won't take the chance of attempting to post anything regarding the details of the smoking gun online until I've handed out 10's of thousands of detailed Xeroxed instructions. I am convinced the post will either be blocked or it will be deleted.
Why take the chance. Lets just be smart. Leave the post and mass emailing for last.
The above is merely referencing to the "smoking gun." By all means post research and updates, but treat the smoking gun very cautiously.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
Spooky men in black .. what a load of crap .. you guys really believe those stories don't you ..
There are only 2 real options ..
A) It doesnt work and the disappointed inventors makes some bullshit up ..
B) It does work and a lot of money changes hands and the general public is none the wiser ...
The rest is just conspiracy crapola ...
Oh ofcourse unless the UFO's come down and take it away .. those greys are nasty little buggas ..
Yeah boy .. we should stop this research right now. l-o-l
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Is it a Security Threat? I don't think so.
It's more of a MONEY/economy Threat --
That is the problem and the only problem that I'm seeing here.
- - - - - - - - - -
Oil / Gas / electricity = money ... lots.
TPU = no gas, no oil, no money.
TPU mounted on my electric car = no gas, no oil, no money.
I guess then Tires/bearings/break pads/and wire would be hundreds of dollars. l-o-l huh huh. Something to think about.
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Early next year I hear that the cost of electricity where I'm at is going up by a 30% increase. Now I'm sure they'll be selling the tpu's at walmart next week eh? r r r right. and I don't see no one hand cranking a generator to send me electricity. So why the increase?
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Just release the TPU schematics and be done with it.
Do we not know how to build a car from parts? yup.
Do they not still sell cars and car parts? yup.
Trust me the Open Source Community is very dedicated to Freedom and will NOT suppress such technologies. I mean look at Linux/Unix that should tell you something!
But it is still good to have hard copies like you mentioned and distribute it to the public. :)
peace
Quote from: FreeEnergy on November 30, 2006, 01:06:53 AM
I mean look at Linux/Unix that should tell you something!
Pssshhhh... Tell that to SUSE users... :D
I rather tell it to Xubuntu users instead :D
www.xubuntu.org
Also DOS-Internet-browser , work fast , very well .
(also with Windows-Window!)
Pese
Freedomfuel,
Is there a link between your sudden panic attack and "EMdevices" posts disappearing?
AM
I have heard it is common practice in supression of free energy devices to use the excuses
'trust the government'
'the world is not ready yet'
'we need to wait another 10 years' (or in freedomfuels case wait 30 years)
You are so full of bullshet freedomfuel. Since when had government ever done anything as good as the private industry when it comes to mass producing technology, making it safer and driving down the costs for the average consumer?
You are either a spook or prehaps they have gotten to you, if the later is the case then I am very sorry for you.
But let's not hear any more of these ridiculous calls to supress schematics of a working free energy device.
@Freedomfuel
look into the 911 topic.
Never get involved with any governmental agency before
at least 100 replications of the TPU are out.
If you try to convince anybody in the government,
they are always citing it is all fraud and they are just
not interested....
This is for sure, as this would weaken their power and
influence to stay in power....
So better publish wide open source all , if you have something
so you will not end up like Stanley Meyer...
(although in this case, maybe it was
an investor, who lost much money with him ???)
So if Stanley Meyer would have shared all of his technology,
he would not be dead today I guess...
Damn I was going to jump in ,but I think all my thoughts were expressed here and rather well, good job guy's.
That post is such B.S.
P.S freedom- 30 years from now we will be walking around in tin foil suits and rubber boots wondering where it all went so terribly wrong.
Quote from: allcanadian on December 01, 2006, 09:12:29 PM
30 years from now we will be walking around in tin foil suits and rubber boots wondering where it all went so terribly wrong.
Speak for yourself... I'm starting now...
Didn't you hear, there are "disasterous effects"...
:P
So far the only disasterous effects I have noticed is a steady increase in my blood preasure over the last week. These threads are really starting to wear me down. Why is full disclosure regarded so badly by inventors in this forum?
This is the one forum where people should be willing to share!
~Dingus
I think they do have working devices. They are either not giving out the power they want or they just aren't perfected yet.
I think they are afraid to give out the schematics in case someone else improves or perfects their design.
Then they couldn't say that they invented it without help from anyone. Just watch, they will say that it is not exactly the same as Mark's TPU.
That means that they can call it the Turbo-Marco-X-Device.
Anybody could always google: 100 dead scientists.
Or in 911, building 7 was flattened which was the record repository for BATF which had the records for Oklahoma city which housed the records for WACO.
Oh. Ken Lay sold most of his Enron holdings 2 days before the towers went down. Guess where his brokerage house was and where the records were kept.
What? no offsite storage? An then He has a heart attack and dies after sentencing for fraud.
And everybody lived happily ever after... 3 blind mice...
--giantkiller.
According to the URL below, some alien space critters don't want their Earthlings to have cordless lamp-lighters until after some serious "urban renewal" has been done to the whole planet.
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta339.htm
:D
i have a box of bolts and some nuts and I built something from all of these components, I can't tell you if it is overunity or not or how its put together .. who am i
A) X
B) Z
C) 1,000,000 monkeys on typewriters making patents for devices that may be OU
I want to tell you something important that may help you to understand what is going on inside the collector.
You know what a particle accelerator is... Well you can accelerate electrons to past the speed of light and you know what happens? They disappear. Does that mean that there is no speed of light ? NO, it means that the electrons go out of this dimensional plane. Scientists are not prepared to explain anything beyond this point. Neither am I. However it has been hypothesized that IF the electrons did not leave our dimensional realm, and stayed here, they would rip the fabric of time and space, possibly destroying our universe as we know it. That means that the power released would be unbelievable and totally inconceivable to mankind. But never the less, it is fact.
My friend, listen. Think about, no, visualize the following:
Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour.
The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is lets say a figure of ten.
It will never become more then our figure of ten. The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall to the ground and it's finale dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth or the object it was aimed at. Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the sky, EXCEPT for the following example:
Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.
Do you see how the different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon? Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour... Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired. However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles an hour when you fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000 miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile! You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another cannon and you fired it. Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for conversion.
A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an automobile;e it will bounce off. However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other side because of the inertia energy available for conversion.
Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert into huge amounts of energy.
Even electrons.....................................
Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic flux. what if you disable the effects of the flux?
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back. electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility! How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling close to the speed of light? Remember the bullet story.
Think of this:
Energy conversion is different when you consider speed. 12 volts at 100 amps is slow and the energy can not dissipate quickly enough to kill you by discharge. But, it is a lot of energy especially if converted to speed. Reduce that 100 amps to 100 mA but increase the voltage (speed) to 100,000 volts and you can electrocute someone!
My unit operates on these principles. Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact.....
That's a great point ... Here's a little humor, "Gee, lets trust the governments. They are responsible, right, uh, with all their nukes and such?"
Humor aside, indeed most governments are good, or at least they provide great services for the people, but global "Free Energy" is a good thing and far better than burning massive amounts of gasoline or nukes.
Paul Lowrance
Any proof to support the statements that this technology is so dangerous?
How about an explanation of how it works - in any terms.
Where does the energy come from?
Anything?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16090571/
Grumpy,
I guess it all depends on your view point. Just think what you could do with explosives. You could build bridges or knock them down.
If we ever get to build the TPU it will be used disctructively as well as constructively. I am willing to take the chance though.
Regards
AM
EMdevices,
Yes that happened near me but, it wasn't me honest.
AM
Hmm. Looks like "X" has been busy with SM19 version.
isn't that Mr X's car there in the rubble?
;D
It give more news from prof. evert ""
---------------------Copy from Mail:
Hallo liebe Freunde Freier Energie,
Hallo dear friends of Free Energy (see English text below),
Eigentlich wollte ich f?r ?Noch-Teilchen-Denker? (die sich noch nicht vorstellen k?nnen, dass ?ther ein teilchen-loses Plasma ist) nur ein paar Beispiele bringen, wie z.B. Teilchen eines Gases sich verhalten (um anschlie?end leichter die Bewegungen im Plasma beschreiben zu k?nnen, als ?bern?chster Teil meiner ?ther-Physik).
In diesem neuen Teil 05. ?Teilchen Bewegung? wollte ich nur einiges aus meiner Fluid-Technologie wiederholen, aber die Beschreibung von Sog und Auftrieb wurden besser als je zuvor. Mit ein paar Anwendungen wollte ich diese Wirkungen belegen - wurden diese Konstruktionen erstaunten mich sehr:
Ein Segment-Rohr (mit nun logisch nachvollziehbarer Reibungsfreiheit), eine Vakuum-Sog-Pumpe (mit Selbst-Beschleunigung bereits im Einlass), ein Sog-Windrad (das seinen Wind selbst produziert) und ein Sog-Hubschrauber (mit v?llig neuartiger Technik - bzw. uralt wie bei ?Vimana?-Flugapparaten der Veden.
Auf meiner Website www.evert.de ist dieser neue Abschnitt ?Teilchen-Bewegung? unter www.evert.de/ap05.htm zu finden. Es wird lohnen, diese Kapitel per www.evert.de/ap05.zip oder www.evert.de/ap05.pdf gleich auf den eigenen Rechner zu holen.
Viel Spa? beim Studieren - und alles Gute f?r den Rest dieses und das n?chste Jahr (wo ich gewiss wieder ?Ver-r?cktes? anliefern werde).
Servus
Fred Evert
Now here text in English:
For ?Still-Particles-Thinkers? (not yet able to understand ether as part-less plasma) I simply wanted to describe how e.g particles of gases behave (in order later to demonstrate easier how ether moves within ether, as next-but-one part of my Ether-Physics).
So at new part 05. Particle Movement I described effects of suction and lift and some applications of, just like I did before several times - however descriptions became very detailed and some new applications were rather astonishing - for myself:
Segment-Pipe (now logic understandable free of friction losses), Vacuum-Suction-Pump (with self-acceleration already within inlet), Suction-Windmill (producing necessary wind by itself) and Suction-Helcopter (with completely new technology - resp. age-old like ?Vimana? of Vedic-Scripts worked).
At my website www.evert.de/eft00e.htm that new part ?Particle Movement? starts with file www.evert.de/ap05e.htm . It will make sense to download these chapters via www.evert.de/ap05e.zip or www.evert.de/ap05e.pdf onto your own PC.
Enjoy reading - and all the best for rest of current and next year (and certainly I will deliver further ?crazy ideas?).
Best regards
Fred Evert
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on November 29, 2006, 10:51:50 PM
Spooky men in black .. what a load of crap .. you guys really believe those stories don't you ..
There are only 2 real options ..
A) It doesnt work and the disappointed inventors makes some bullshit up ..
B) It does work and a lot of money changes hands and the general public is none the wiser ...
The rest is just conspiracy crapola ...
Oh ofcourse unless the UFO's come down and take it away .. those greys are nasty little buggas ..
Tell that to the bullet that was removed from my chest!!
Quote from: PaulLowrance on November 29, 2006, 02:36:44 PM
Quote from: Freedomfuel on November 29, 2006, 02:00:46 PM
I have no doubts of the authenticity of the SM device but I have had misgivings about it from the start. I have become aware that it is possible for the device to go pear shaped with disastrous results. At first I thought that this might be a one in a million freak occurence like exploding TV sets. Lately I have come to the conclusion that this technology may pose serious public safety and national security issues. I trust that you will be responsible and not discuss what these issues are in a public forum. You never know who may be reading this.
If this is true then you we will have to accept that it will require the co-operation of governments to introduce and manage the introduction of this technology. We cannot and should not try to bypass governments and neither should we see them as the enemy standing in the way of progress, (except, unless we live in the United States). As only the US government knows how to resolve these safety issues it means that only the US government can introduce this technology.
I hope that forum members will act responsibly and not distribute working TPU plans on the internet. If you are able to reproduce the TPU I would, if I were you, approach officials representing a more progressive and enlightened government, like Sweden for instance, and ask them to study what you you have and maybe make recommendations. It is possible that their government scientists will be able to resolve the safety issues.
I am convinced that in thirty years time everyone will have a TPU in their home and Steven's name will rank with the immortals like Edison and Tesla. For that to happen the introduction of this technology will have to be carefully managed by governments. Like any potentially dangerous piece of technology like a bus or aircraft people have to be licensed to use it. Units will have to be installed in sealed containers with sensors attached to paging devices to alert the authorities of attempts to move them or tamper with them. These are challenges I am sure we can overcome, daunting though it may seem now.
I will no longer post to the Steve Marks section. Thanks to everone who participated in this momentous enterprise so important to the future of humanity. Each and every one of you will be remembered for the the role you played however small.
Goodbye
The technology required to make a "free energy" machine is old and has no threat to security what so ever. The governments would be amongst the last people I would trust as far as the well being of this planet. They would have billions of people burning polluting gasoline, which is destroying this planet.
This world is in DISPARATE need of global "free energy" and I BEG everyone to put forth as much effort as possible to make this a reality.
The SM machine is but one example of "free energy." The best form of "free energy" is an Energy Mover. IOW, a machine that simply moves the energy in ambient temperature to the device, say a television, and the television in turn gives off heat, which returns the energy back to the environment (ambient temperature). This is an energy loop. No energy created or destroyed. It is the best form of energy for this planet. The Magnetocaloric Effect is one means of moving ambient temperature energy to usable electricity. Such technology requires Classical physics and is by no means advanced technology or a threat to any national security!!!!!!!
Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance
If divine intervention allowed me,but at the moment, alot of waste.
Quote from: Freedomfuel on November 29, 2006, 02:00:46 PM
Like any potentially dangerous piece of technology like a bus or aircraft people have to be licensed to use it. Units will have to be installed in sealed containers with sensors attached to paging devices to alert the authorities of attempts to move them or tamper with them.
You are totally out of your mind!
Jacob
Jacob
I agree with you. Maybe Freedomfuel got recruited by someone. He is sure sending out a lot of paranoid vibes. Bad batch of smoke?
Quote from: sparkman on December 11, 2006, 10:02:56 AM
Maybe Freedomfuel got recruited by someone.
Yes, but a while ago already.
Now that I think about it, might be a good idea that the "authorities" also include our personnal TPU serial number in our implanted microchip. And make sure that we're always in the line of sight of at least 3 satellites simultaneously.
God Bless!
Jacob