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Starting yet another topic for "pulsers" only.

Hardware guys have taken over the main topics with their fancy pcb's, programmable this and thats, and CMOS jibber jabber.  No offense, just poking fun at those guys.

Anyway, assembled a simple 7mhz-ish, two transistor multivibrator yesterday.  Hacked this off the web, originally created by Courtney Hall of the old SAMS books.  I'll rectify and then let it idle on the coil just to see what happens before I plug in the mosfets.  I can see it now - "nuclear fusion from AA battery - news at 6:00".

Here is the circuit:

MOSFET Driving Circuits and other information:

@Grumpy , Circuit is fine , you can find now the way for 3 frequencies , with "the key!". Look in your message.
Pese

Thanks much.  Will try several thigns later this week.

I am ressurecting this topic to store this file on "Dirac's Delta Function" and impulses.

In Eric Dollard's article on capacitance:
http://www.borderlands.com/dollardandtesla.htm

(test link)
http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/capacit.htm

...he speaks of infinite energy release when current is interrupted, another form of energy appearing...

Boil that down to a very short pulse with infinite amplitude and zero duration (in theory anyway) and you have Dirac's Delta Function.  the attached file contains a lot of good information on this and a circuit to simulate it.  This is taken from a book preview on Amazon.com and not found on the web in any text that I know of.  I have the components for this circuit, and a signal source to drive it - just need a little time to put it together...

(one file is DOC other is PDF - both same)

Looking at pole-zero cancellation of double differentiated pulse undershoot (no current reversal)

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http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg26849.html#msg26849

Quote from: libra_spirit on March 28, 2007, 09:43:15 PM
On rotating magnetic fields and mass rotation:

I believe you are missing a valuble quality of the nature of Copper which may shed light on this concept. The major weight of the copper atom lies in the nucleus. The nucleus of a copper atom is magnetic, but its electron shell is not magnetic but electric.

If you place copper in a rotating magnetic field one of two outcomes will happen. The copper will be physically dragged along with the moving magnetic field, or if the angle intersects wire at 90 degrees you will produce an electric flow. You get torsion or EM and the two are not the same.

The mass of the copper can thus be rotated without physically moving the copper device at the electron or matter bonding point.

As the moving magnetic field intersects a wire at 90 degrees the familiar kick will emerge. If you stretch this pulse out on your scope you will notice it is a series of sine waves at the NMR frequency. Maybe about 6 sine pulses at approximastly 5 Mhz.

Copper will act like a magnet at the Proton layer and it will follow a moving magnetic field, precessing around the polar alignment. These NMR pulses were discovered in the 50's by a nobel prize winner, and then abruptly forgotten, where down to now we still believe the myth that induction and diamagnetic fields happen only on the electron shell. Not true, the Proton is very much involved in this process.

Because the Proton will lag the turn of the magnetic field due to its higher mass we get a dragging effect from that layer that pulls the electron shell into a negative or dragged state. Induction lags in time frame, and the NMR rate is the factor by which it lags.

The TPU would seem to be turning the magnetic field in the copper atoms, using 90 degree pulsing coils. To make it turn completely over takes only a syncronized pulsing scheme. The magnetic field will rotate its poles through the collector wire loop. As the poles cross the wire no current will flow and energy will move into the torsion field, as the magnetic field moves past the 90 degree angle with the collector wire the energy will shoot into the electric field and the series of very high pulses will be shot down the wire as it crosses.

The TPU is embedded in cork to stop it from vibrating to pieces. Each time the magnetic field moves between the torsion state and the Electric state it creates a small jerk and makes a physical motion of the wires.

The TPU exhibits an inertial momentum, or gyro effect because its Proton layer is in a spinning motion of its magnetic poles, this creates a "forced precession". Best guess.

The entire mass of the copper is in rotation at the nucleus, this is one quality of copper making it an AG metal.

Dave L

This makes several things that SM mentioned  "make sense" - the term "convertion frequency", the overheating, vibration, inertial effects of the TPU, the rotating magnetic field.  Placing magnets in position to increase the field or "better direct" the magnetic fields of the coil segments also makes sense.  Looks like the heat is part of the deal - might try copper tubing with circulating coolant and a radiator.

Uh oh...
I see a high speed magnetic pulse going through a pressure contained fluid.

--giantkiller. Did I make a bad connection?

Quote from: Grumpy on May 23, 2007, 02:30:44 PM
Looking at pole-zero cancellation of double differentiated pulse undershoot (no current reversal)

Thank you for pdf file.  Im trying to finish the circuit and like to see pole-zero cancellation, if I can fine the right IC's.   

Nong

Pole zero cancellation just requires a resistor across the capacitor of the CR high-pass filter - can be a potentiometer

http://solarwww.mtk.nao.ac.jp/kobayash/thesis/node38.html

and page 3.7 of this pdf file:

http://gluon.valpo.edu/physLinks/nuclearElectronics/amptut.pdf

It is my understanding that any reversal is counterproductive and detrimental to obtaining the effect, so I found this as a way to still use double-differentiated pulses by correcting the reversal.

Side note regarding tuning forks:

Table I. Tuning Fork Material Information and Resonant Frequencies
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UNS C11000
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Trade Name Copper 110
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E (GPa)   129.8
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Density (g/cm3) 8.94
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Liquidus Temp. (?C) 1,084
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Composition Cu 99%
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Frequency (Hz)  190

NMR:

90 degree pulse:

http://www.e-mri.org/cours/Module_4_Signal/impulsion901_en.html

Free induction decay:
http://www.e-mri.org/cours/Module_4_Signal/impulsion902_en.html

180 degrees:
http://www.e-mri.org/cours/Module_4_Signal/impulsion1801_en.html

Spark gaps make use of the very low impedance of an arc once the arc is established.

Floyd Sweet referred to rapidly changing impedence in his "Nothing is Something" article.

(side note: is the disharge of a capacitor analogous to BEMF?) (edit - I mean the tempic field aspect)

Grumpy,

I did your circuit in the simulator linked here.  (Copy and paste the text file contents below into the import window of the simulator.) (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/)

Interesting results.  Thank you.

did you rectify it? to create pulses only - half wave is sufficient

I'm going to toss this out there and then run like hell.  (I will be deliberately vague, lest I taint the sudden burst of insite for other people.)

When electric potential (voltage) is initially applied to a conductor, the electrons have to align themselves to the polarity of this potential before they start to move and create a current.  The electron is not the only "thing" that aligns to this potential - the much heavier proton, being charged, also aligns to the potential.  I believe this is the link between all devices that exibit "anomolous energy manifestations".  The electron is interesting, but it can not match the power of it's big brother - the proton - with it's much larger mass.

This ties into NMR and to Dave Lowrance's work ( http://magnetism.fateback.com/index.htm ) and I believe that the true culprit behind the manifestation of RE is the proton.  Excitation of protons with impulses may not allow them to excite and return to their normal state.  hmm - proton has two spin states...yada yada...protons also have a spin magnetic moment...there's that 45 degree conical looking wierd-ass torsional crap again...argh!!!

this also ties into Erfinder's stuff that Otto mentioned - with paramagnetism and all that.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:gNkfqtbsSdAJ:hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/nmr.html+protons+potential+magnetic+field&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/spinrel.html#c1

Clear as mud - need to study this some more.

Hi,

I'm back experimenting on the TPU. 

Thanks to all who keep working on it. 

For your enjoyment, I've attached a video clip of a blocking oscillator implemented with a 2 coil wound ferite.  (main and feedback coil)

Take a look and see what a magnet does to it.  Hopefully I'm posting in the right tread :)

EM

The squeeling sound....
Nice thanks  :)
Marco

Thank you marco, I'm glad you like it.

I thought about the effects I was observing (frequency shift) and I knew why one was happening but not the other.

What I mean is this.   

1) When the North face of the magnet faces down, the frequency increases significantly.

2) When the South face of the magnet faces down,  the frequency decreases a little bit, and if I approach the magnet any closer then it starts to increase.

I was puzzled by # 2,  why was it happening?   Then I realized the implications.

The missing piece was  the EARTH MAGNETIC FIELD.   It aligns the domains of the ferrite and fewer are involved in flipping with the oscillator.  So when the south pole faces down it cancels the magnetic field of the earth and we get the MOST DOMAINS TO PARTICIPATE.   When we have the most domains, that's when the coil has the highest inductance and hence the lowest frequency.

When the North face is down, then the ferrite alligns its magnetic domains even more and fewer are available.  In scientific terms we SATURATE  the ferrite.  When that happens the coils behave as if they don't even have a ferrite but an air core.  The inductance is small and the frequency high.  (inverse relationship)

Anyway,  its a good way to see that the earth magnetic field has some strength and affects electronics, but we don't notice it always.

EM

Thanks much EMDevices!  Nice "modulator" you got there.

Knew you could not stay away much longer...

What next? Saturable reactor pulse generator?

Thank you for video file.   :D

Hi EMdevices,
surely this is strange !
Normally a ferrite core of a coil should be saturated in both
directions, so itshould not matter, if you put the south or
noth pole onto the ferrite core...

Hmm, the only thing this could
probably be like it was shown, if you have  a DC current flow already superimposed inside the coil
at the working point ,
so the ferrite is itsself already a magnet and you just change only its BH curve
magnetisation level by aproaching the magnet.

What happens, if you use a very strong neodym magnet ?
Still the same or does the sticking of either pole onto the ferrite core
give then always a higher frequency ?

Hi Stefan,

The earth magnetic field already saturates the ferites somewhat, when no magnet is present.Ã,  Much like a DC current will.Ã,  But there is no DC current in the coil.Ã,  It's only the earth's magnetic field that biases the ferite.

So the small magnet when it opposes the earth magnetic field, it cancels the flux around the ferite and "simulates" a condition free from magnetic fields.Ã,  Ã, 

In this ideal situation,Ã,  the ferrite is close to zero on the B-H curve and we get the most out of it in terms of magnetic domain flipping and the largest inductance.Ã,  Neodymium magnets have the same effect albeit more pronounced.Ã, Ã, 

Basically this is a qualitative experiment to realize the earth's magnetic field does affect circuits, it sets the bias point, but we don't always worry about it, or realy need to worry, I suppose. 

It is quite interesting though.  It took me by surprise as well.  The ferrite has AC in it only (from the coils), but also seems to have static fields from the magnet/earth's magnetic field, which sets the bias point.

EM

Ok, here's a video you will love.

NMR in action I suppose !!

EM

Hi EMdevices,
hard to say what is going on, if we don?t know the circuit diagramm you are using...

Maybe you just hit with the ferrite stack better the resonance frequency
of the LC tank excitation and then shift the inductance to be rightregime, so
it gets in better resonance ?

2. In your first video, how was the ferrite core coil on breadboard being used ?
Was there no DC bias current through it ?

That's correct Stefan, no DC-bias current,  only AC.

I posted the circuit to these blocking oscillators in another tread a while back.  It's the same circuit, except the coils are now on a ferrite.

EM

P.S.  Here's the circuit.  Also I forgot to mention, it does saturate when the magnet cancels the earth's magnetic field, but I have to bring in the magnet even closer.  If you read up on the theory of the blocking oscillator it will become clear why its affected by saturation, since it triggers based on those coils and how fast or slow the current changes.

Here's a chart to try and explain what I'm thinking.

Note the slope change.  The steeper the higher the inductance.

There is more to it, but in a sense its the bias point that changes.  But it's not excluded other phenomena might be occuring.

Hello Grumpy,

Please recommend what is the circuit for mosfet driver,"7Mhz Astable Multivibration" or "Emitter follow driver" figure 27 ?

Now, I'm stuck using TC4428 (the best I found here)  !!!

Thank you
nong

 :o

Hi EMdevices,

Nice experiment. You induce current in the (floating) multiturn, shortcircuited ring by the long (pinkish-red) solenoid and the created flux in the ring repels the the flux of the ring magnet.

What is your purpose with this setup?

Gyula

gyulasun,

Isn't it fun guessing?    :) 

Are you going to refine your theory after you view the video?

EM

we have a magician in the forum!! :)

cool ;D

Hello EM,

First from your photos I thought the ring floated, meaning there was a small distance between the ring and the flat ring magnet.

Now I think you wrapped up small magnet(s) in the upper part of the floating ring and the resultant weight of this 'stuffed' ring balances against the repel forces from the ring magnet beneath it. The 'stuffed' ring touches the surface of the flat ring magnet.
So there seems no induction involved...  No more guesses from me   :-X  ;D

Gyula

that's pretty close Gyula, congratulations, but here's the kicker,  there are no magnets in the ring   :)

I'm still exploring the effect, but it appears to be a static repulsion one for sure and the ring does contact in one spot, so it's not absolute levitation, that would be nice.

I'll let you all know what I find out.

EM

Quote from: EMdevices on June 18, 2007, 08:51:12 AM
that's pretty close Gyula, congratulations, but here's the kicker,  there are no magnets in the ring   :)

I'm still exploring the effect, but it appears to be a static repulsion one for sure and the ring does contact in one spot, so it's not absolute levitation, that would be nice.

I'll let you all know what I find out.

EM

So you mean you do not know the explanation yet?  Then please tell us what is the wrapped up ring made of?  What material?  The thin ring magnet is a ceramic (ferrit) magnet, right?

Gyula

The magnet is a typical ceramic magnet disk polarized N on the large face (and S on the bottom face, or vice versa).

The coils is ....< blank >Ã,  ....Ã,   :)

I can't let you guys get ahead of me on this one.Ã,   :)

EM

   Every part of me wants to say aluminum ring due to its para magnetic property. Just a guess there.

sugra

Cavitation comes to mind. Dansway had been mentioning this somewhere before and we discussed this in length. The Magnet then bends the field. This is what led me to put the 2 aluminium plates across my reproduction of Marcos last coil. I got zapped off the edges of the plates. I felt this was just a side effect. No pun intended.

--giantkiller.

Here's something to get your mind off and into a different direction (maybe)  :)

   Notice that you got very little movement from the wire? Size and length of the wire makes for a fair amount of resistance. Try that with larger wire and you will see more movement due to the increase in the amps used. It directly relates .  Try that with two strands of lamp wire and you will see what I mean.

sugra

 Have not worked out how to post on this site yet, maybe someone could tell me how.
so i am posting this as a reply which is not a reply.
Hi guys, I am rather new to this hydrogen stuff, I am a 68-year-old bloke in Sydney Australia. I have been fooling around with a plate system with the idea of using it as a boost system on a Toyota Corolla. I was not happy with the output as it required too many amps, so I have built a unit that is a Joe cell configuration comprising of a 1?, 2?, 3?, and 4?, 5? and 6? outer, all internal cells are 8?high with the 6? -12? high, 4 of the cylinders are neutral.
I am currently producing (water displacement test) 0.5 l/min at 18 amps and 21deg c
My question is would this amount of gas be sufficient for my purpose?
I know nothing about pulse systems except to say that I have not heard of anyone apart from Meyer who has got one to work, maybe I am wrong?
I am toying with the idea of using a current control device to keep the amps under control as the unit heats up. I gather from what I have read is that it is as advantage to have the unit running hot as more gas is produced in hot water.
I am not at this stage trying to run on hydrogen alone, I need to crawl before I attempt to walk.

I guess you could say I?m crying out for help. ?Help?!

Hi weggl,Ã,  welcome to the forum.Ã,  Ã, Right when you log in you might want to click the FORUM menu item and then select the right sub-forum that is applicable to your needs.Ã,  I'm sure there is a Meyers/Hydrogen link.Ã,  Ã,  We here discuss a so called Toroidal Power Unit.Ã,  Have a look around, it's interesting.

Hi sugra, thanks for the advice.Ã,  Right now my wire has about 0.4 or 0.5 ohms and from the 24 V battery I'm drawing about 40 amps, give or take a fewÃ,  (there's some voltage drop at the spark gap as well)Ã, 

I also included a magnet after I did the measurements and the video, and the wire moved violently.

However,Ã,  I'm not so convinced the first movements I was getting are from the interaction with the earth's magnetic field.Ã,  Ã,  I think it's more plausable that the wires influence EACH OTHER,Ã,  and I say that based on how they vibrate, NOT UP AND DOWN but SIDEWAYS.Ã,  Ã, I'll have to calculate the 'B' field from one wire to the other, and then I can compare.

EM

Ok guys I cracked the mystery of the repeling ring.   :)

I hope none of you are disapointed if I just tell you.  I know I would be, I like to ponder and figure out something,  that's why I'm invovled with the TPU after all.

I'll put together a drawing to illustrate.

EM

Good work EM

Cam

thank you Cam,

Here's the explanation guys.Ã,  I reduced the complexity and removed the coils untill I got down to the bare essentials.Ã,  It's the only way to go in understanding something complex.

My TPU was composed of a iron core formed by multiple loops of bailing wire.Ã,  I then had some copper coils wraped up and circulating this toroid, but it seems they didn't do much, it's the bailing wire.Ã,  I even made a simple one loop ring and it doesn't even stay it's so light weight, it just get's pushed off.

Simple magnetic repulsion and static induction in iron, but quite interesting.Ã,  You would think iron would just get attracted to the face and stay there, but its not so.

EM

P.S.  In case it is not clear, the red colored poles 'S' and 'N' are for the ring once it get's magnetized in the levitating position.  'S' is the contact with the magnet and 'N' is the end that lifts up.

@weggl

build starts on page 14:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2057.710.html

Quote from: EMdevices on June 19, 2007, 12:10:27 AM
Here's something to get your mind off and into a different direction (maybe)  :)

This is great. :)
I did the same experiments about a year ago and EM is right it does not kick all the time.
sometimes it does sometimes it does not.
EM would you happen to have a function generator so you can pulse it at let's say 7.8Hz?  ;D

Marco

I have a function generator but it has a very low power output.Ã,  I need to build me something reliable so I can experiment.

It's very interesting that it only vibrates once in a while, isn't it?Ã, 

It could be that we don't extinguish the spark fast enough so we are not plucking the string fast enough, or maybe something more electromagnetish is happening :)

Maybe the earth's magnetic field lines have some variability to them that we don't normaly notice.Ã,  Maybe the vector direction doesn't change but the DENSITY or MAGNITUDE of it changes.  Ã,  It would explain the "washboard" phenomena SM talked about.Ã,  It's like being in a boat and getting buffeted by the waves that pass by.

I know we talked about Whisler waves before (they're created when lightning strikes).Ã,  Here's a link to a sound file.Ã,  http://www-star.stanford.edu/~vlf/whistlers/whistler8.wav (http://www-star.stanford.edu/~vlf/whistlers/whistler8.wav)

( from this site:Ã,  http://ecjones.org/physics.html (http://ecjones.org/physics.html)Ã,  )

Just something interesting to consider, that's all.

EM

Quote from: EMdevices on June 19, 2007, 10:32:48 AM
thank you Cam,

Here's the explanation guys.  I reduced the complexity and removed the coils untill I got down to the bare essentials.  It's the only way to go in understanding something complex.

My TPU was composed of a iron core formed by multiple loops of bailing wire.  I then had some copper coils wraped up and circulating this toroid, but it seems they didn't do much, it's the bailing wire.  I even made a simple one loop ring and it doesn't even stay it's so light weight, it just get's pushed off.

Simple magnetic repulsion and static induction in iron, but quite interesting.  You would think iron would just get attracted to the face and stay there, but its not so.

EM

P.S.  In case it is not clear, the red colored poles 'S' and 'N' are for the ring once it get's magnetized in the levitating position.  'S' is the contact with the magnet and 'N' is the end that lifts up.

@EMdevices

Very nice. Would it be possible for you to measure if there is any current flow in your bailing wire loop while it is levitating?

Kames.