Pandemic - Run the virus through the community during the summer, instead of winter !
The best option would be to run the virus through the community in what is left of summer, so that the hospital overflow tent rooms ( and all the other infrastructures etc ) set up outside of hospitals will be there in warmer weather rather than cold weather.
( Obviously while running the virus through the community, you would provide services to enable the age-bracket affected by the virus, and those with illnesses, to stay home if they want, to avoid being infected. )
That would just leave an in between age-bracket, and some people with illnesses and some young people, which may be affected by the virus, these groups would make up hospitalization numbers that could probably be manageable, more or less, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to the first wave .
Another problem during winter is that many or most people will have other colds/flu s etc that will actually cause them to sneeze etc ( unlike the present-virus which on average does not have those symptoms ). sneezing is what would spread the present-virus the fastest ( yes people are wearing masks, but they have leaks etc ).
NOTE - The community has been strangely lucky in that this virus seems to 'mainly' affect only a certain age-bracket ( and people with illnesses ), it is almost the 'complete-opposite' of the virus-from-100-years-ago.
And yet most governments are handling this present-virus as if it were actually the virus-from-100-years-ago, this present-virus could possibly have been completely wiped out in a minimum of 6-months, by tackling it head on etc, instead of prolonging it all, causing all the follow-on problems etc .
(And, some countries banning walking exercise while at the same time allowing bars etc to open without requiring people to wear masks )
Other consequences in the future -
- Possible development of lung diseases / conditions in some people from having to wear masks ( from breathing in the humidity inside the mask, and the loose non-degradable mask-fibers caused by male facial hair stubble damaging the mask, and other problems )
- Communities/people confined to their indoors, will make those indoor environments more unhealthy, more humid from exhalation, more squalor, all this may create environments where more serious viruses may actually develop.
- Not to mention an endless list of all the other problems caused by not handling this present-virus correctly.
LATE EDIT
The second wave does appear to be occurring at the moment in many places, at the moment very high numbers of NEW infections are occurring ( in recent weeks ), I'm 'referring to places where it is currently summer, and unless I'm wrong, it seems that at the moment much less infected people are dying ( countries where it is summer ) whereas in the first-wave( in the winter-time ) it seemed many deaths occurred 'sort of soon' after being infected .
During the first-wave one of the things I looked up was the effect of one or two added oils in foods, their effect on lung inflammation, I can't remember all of the oils or all the results I found ( and I could not properly interpret all of the results since I have no training in that ).
The reason I looked that up is that in the winter time people eat fattier foods ( containing those added oils ), and these oils may increase lung inflammation in the infected people, one of the results I found seemed to confirm that.
Note, my theory about added food oils was just a tiny aspect/detail about the pandemic I was looking up, it may or may not have any relevance, so with or without this tiny aspect, it's possible my summer-time-importance-theory in this post has some credibility .
( Obviously, those countries with the highest percentage of their population in the 'affected age bracket' and a high percentage of people with illnesses etc, would have the highest percentage of fatalities )
Unsure
The majority of people already spend most of there time indoors so that's not a problem. As well doctors and nurses have been wearing masks for a hundred years which doesn't appear to be a problem.
What is a very big problem is allowing the virus to spread exponentially through the population over running the hospitals unnecessarily killing an untold number of people.
The number of infected people speak for themselves. The U.S., Brazil, India and Russia didn't listen to the experts and now they have the most infected people and deaths.
You just don't get it, the U.S. death count is currently at a record 153,769. If left unchecked with flooded hospitals the projected number of deaths is over 4 million dead.
In fact what you propose is completely backwards which is why we have real experts who know better in my opinion.
The second wave does appear to be occurring at the moment in many places, at the moment very high numbers of NEW infections are occurring ( in recent weeks ), I'm 'referring to places where it is currently summer, and unless I'm wrong, it seems that at the moment much less infected people are dying ( countries where it is summer ) whereas in the first-wave( in the winter-time ) it seemed many deaths occurred 'sort of soon' after being infected .
During the first-wave one of the things I looked up was the effect of one or two added oils in foods, their effect on lung inflammation, I can't remember all of the oils or all the results I found ( and I could not properly interpret all of the results since I have no training in that ).
The reason I looked that up is that in the winter time people eat fattier foods ( containing those added oils ), and these oils may increase lung inflammation in the infected people, one of the results I found seemed to confirm that.
Note, my theory about added food oils was just a tiny aspect/detail about the pandemic I was looking up, it may or may not have any relevance, so with or without this tiny aspect, it's possible my summer-time-importance-theory in this post has some credibility .
( Obviously, those countries with the highest percentage of their population in the 'affected age bracket' and a high percentage of people with illnesses etc, would have the highest percentage of fatalities )
There are two responses to the Coronavirus:
- fear
- denial
And the authorities (experts, health establishments, politicians) simply do not know what to do (as we all do not know how to behave).
There is enormous pressure from business (and their political and philosophical advocats) against all sort of closures. The only protection against the Coronavirus ist "no contact", but that is exactly the problem for all economic activities. The resulting chaos seems to automatically cause chaotic actions by everybody. Craziness prevails.
Of course, I also can not help you (neither with advise, nor with actions). So keep on fearing or denying according to your personal disposition.
May be writing in forums and stating your unimportant and effectless opinion calms you a bit.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/smarter-living/coronavirus-coping-tips.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/smarter-living/coronavirus-coping-tips.html) And how much help is this artcle? So, do not blame me for writing nonsense, it is the stile now.
Greetings, Conrad
QuoteThere are two responses to the Coronavirus:
- fear
- denial
My response was more "acceptance" because viruses and pandemics occur in nature. This isn't the first pandemic nor will it be the last. So we deal with it as best we can and take whatever precautions we feel are necessary.
QuoteAnd the authorities (experts, health establishments, politicians) simply do not know what to do (as we all do not know how to behave).
There is enormous pressure from business (and their political and philosophical advocats) against all sort of closures. The only protection against the Coronavirus ist "no contact", but that is exactly the problem for all economic activities. The resulting chaos seems to automatically cause chaotic actions by everybody. Craziness prevails.
I would call it "different" not crazy and people are taking whatever action they feel is warranted. As well when 20% of the employee's in a business get sick and some die what would you suggest they do, just keep hiring more people who get sick and die?. In fact many businesses reopening can't find employee's because the job is simply not worth the risk. It may seem crazy until you or someone you know is laying in a hospital bed fighting for your life then... not so much.
QuoteOf course, I also can not help you (neither with advise, nor with actions). So keep on fearing or denying according to your personal disposition.
As I said I have neither fear or denial, Covid and this pandemic are real and I take precautions to ensure my safety and those around me. My problem is people who say I should take no precautions which is not only reckless but irresponsible. Would you go to a construction job without a hard hat and steel toed boots?. Well no that would be stupid, this is the same kind of reasoning people are using to avoid Covid.
No offense but as an employer, if you came onto my job site without adequate protective gear and a complete disregard towards safety I would fire you on the spot. Your not worth my time when there are a thousand people just like you who will act responsibly. As well you have the business issue completely backwards and most of my friends closed shop voluntarily. You seem clueless to the fact that if my employee's got sick and infected all my customers I am liable for damage. They would sue me into god damn oblivion and I could lose everything I worked for.
So no, it's not fear and denial it's called due diligence and professionalism... you should try it.
well...we have several members and perhaps many I am unaware of[and I also have some friends ] who have worked as volunteers in Haiti
They have connections there and I will be asking for feedback..and also from some of the other countries on the Per capita list ..with high population densities and
extremely low [comparatively speaking] Death rates [in VERY susceptible populations .
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QuoteThe second wave does appear to be occurring at the moment in many places, at the moment very high numbers of NEW infections are occurring ( in recent weeks ), I'm 'referring to places where it is currently summer, and unless I'm wrong, it seems that at the moment much less infected people are dying ( countries where it is summer ) whereas in the first-wave( in the winter-time ) it seemed many deaths occurred 'sort of soon' after being infected .
In fact, as Dr. Fauci implied there is no first/second wave per say nor is there a direct correlation between seasons other than the number of people coming into contact with one another and spreading the virus.
We could assume winter would spread the virus faster because more people are concentrated indoors versus spread out outdoors like in summer, key word concentration. However countries and places which ignored the experts recommendations and crowded onto beaches and malls in the summer obviously had high infection rates. So it's not about winter/summer more so how many people are in contact with other people in a given space.
The supposed second wave is similar, as we can see when the infected numbers started dropping the first thing many people did was resume there normal activities. Then when more people were in contact with other people they infected more people and the numbers started to rise again. So the second wave relates more to psychology and habitual behavior where people ignore the rules because they think the danger has past but it is still present. The moment people start concentrating in numbers the infection rate rises again.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2020/07/22/niagara-falls-cruise-photo-illustrates-stark-difference-in-covid-19-response-between-us-and-canada.html
The picture below should explain everything and all those crazy people with blue coats crowded onto a boat in the middle of a pandemic are obviously not Canadian who seem to have something in the way of common sense. Which explains exactly why the U.S. infected numbers were 53,000 today while Canada was only 238. People can peddle whatever bs they want but this single picture describes the reality of the situation on the ground and why the infected numbers are what they are. Don't be stupid... listen to the experts.
Regards
Haiti shines a light on protocol ? [many other Densely populated areas too ?
The population density in
Haiti is 414 per Km2 (1,072 people per mi2). .....[14 Deaths per million population
Canada3.78 person/km2..... [ 242 deaths per million population
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/)
https://www.populationpyramid.net/population-density/canada/2020/ (https://www.populationpyramid.net/population-density/canada/2020/)
OnePower your a professional and a scientist...? this Data does not jump off the page at you ?? [as well other examples in the charts...highly contagious in dense populations..? [should just take one seed on March 20 2020 first "confirmed case" ...[414 per Km2
QuoteHaiti shines a light on protocol ? [many other Densely populated areas too ?
The population density in
Haiti is 414 per Km2 (1,072 people per mi2). .....[14 Deaths per million population
Canada3.78 person/km2..... [ 242 deaths per million population
OnePower your a professional and a scientist...? this Data does not jump off the page at you ?? [as well other examples in the charts...highly contagious in dense populations..? [should just take one seed on March 20 2020 first "confirmed case" ...[414 per Km2
One could start cherry picking any number of data points however the fact remains that the U.S. Covid response is a lesson in gross incompetence and what not to do. Globally your country accounts for roughly 25% of the infected/dead and you want to talk about the population density of a tiny third world country?.
That's like taking your massive number of dead stacked like cord wood and saying ... look we have nicer shoes, this is just the flu and Timbuktu had some cases, look at Timbuktu. So no the data does not jump off the page at me because it's meaningless and a distraction from the gross incompetence we see.
The fact remains that if people don't start acting responsibly and listening to the experts this pandemic will continue to escalate. The fact also remains that trump made the Covid pandemic political and was peddling bullshit to win an election instead of minimizing the damage and trying to save lives. The republicans need to put a muzzle on him before he destroys not only the U.S. economy but the world as well. This didn't need to happen, it could have been contained but now it's turned into a shit show like everything trump does.
Regards
The Five Wildest Moments From Donald Trump's Interview with Axios
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig_btdrmxD4
"were last meaning were first" - quote of the century
I could say more but I don't think it's needed... the guy is a complete moron.
The pictures posted above make the text on all posts hard to read because you have to scroll sideways to read all of a sentence.
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Not long before colder weather returns.
This virus ( unlike 100 years ago ) is strangely unique in that it mainly affects older people >50 or those with health problems. Shouldn't governments behave like opportunists to take advantage of the strange uniqueness of this virus .
MAIN POINT - Percentage wise, the 'main' contamination highways and roads that spread this virus are the 0 - 50 ( or 0 - age-? ) age group that don't have health problems relevant to this virus, the part of the population least likely to be affected by the virus.
MAIN POINT - A government could decide to run this virus through the community ( NO MASKS etc ), AND DURING THAT RUN, provide services or protocols to enable the highest affected older age groups ( or people who have health problems relevant to this virus ) to either stay at home ( or not be infected if they go out ) .
I'm pretty sure governments seem to be aware of the need to 'run' this virus through the community, which is why in many places people are allowed to stand around, or near bars and restaurants without needing to wear a mask, I regularly walk past them, within literally centimeters, as they are talking without a mask while I have to wear one, also, it seems if you are talking on a phone or smoking ( in some places ) while walking, you also don't need to wear a mask, people smoking or having snacks ( away from bars / restaurants ) are also usually chatting while doing so, without a mask.
At the moment, the second wave is happening here, and because people of the at risk age-groups and people who have relevant health conditions, have been infected, the hospitals will again be faced with the possibility of collapsing due to the high number of hospitalizations.
MAIN POINT - With my idea of intentionally running the virus through the community ( while protecting the at risks groups ), a lot of people would be infected, but theoretically much much fewer people would require any hospitalization .
THE WEAK POINT OF MY PLAN - The age group, 50 - 65-? which is part of the workforce ( and people with relevant health conditions in the workforce ), how would you sufficiently protect this age group from being infected while running the virus through the community, there probably would be methods of protecting them etc.
- With my idea, there is a degree of unpredictability, of numbers of hospitalizations that would occur, THAT IS IDENTICAL to what is happening at the moment, with the second wave that is occurring here, however, I do suspect that my plan would theoretically involve much lower risk, much lower numbers of hospitalizations( not to mention getting rid of the virus quite quickly, although admittedly I know nothing about the issue of individuals being re-infected etc )
MISCELLANEOUS
If someone is known to not be friendly ( there's probably more accurate words to describe that ) due to some situation, less friendly than they would otherwise be without the situation, then surely the options to arrange a meeting / chat would be -
- A normal Text message, if, this person is known to NOT HAVE WhatsApp
- A phone call
- An email, even though this person may only check their email approximately once a week
It seems various people find that difficult to understand, etc, something that seems to have occurred on various occasions recently and in the past .
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I noticed a protest against Face-masks. Why not include the alternate option of Plastic Face-Shields in the protest, as I detailed on the https://overunity.com/18555/pandemic-can-anyone-design-a-satisfactorily-safe-and-cheap-plastic-face-shield (https://overunity.com/18555/pandemic-can-anyone-design-a-satisfactorily-safe-and-cheap-plastic-face-shield) thread .
Plastic Face-Shields are a good enough longer term solution, however, there is the problem for many people that they can damage their own clothing with the plastic edge of the Plastic Face-Shields, even though it is smooth and curved, some people can still damage their own clothing etc, why can't a Plastic Face-Shield be designed that eliminates that problem.
Also, are people suggesting no Face-masks or Plastic Face-Shields, is it a fake virus, it does not seem fake .
- I noticed a detail that I forgot on my 'Run the virus through the community' model, that is that many of the 'vulnerable to the virus age group people' do live with their family which are often people under 50, however, I assume that services or protocols could be provided so that the 'vulnerable to the virus age group people' could be shielded from the virus, although, I'm obviously no expert or anything.
unsure
QuoteI noticed a protest against Face-masks. Why not include the alternate option of Plastic Face-Shields in the protest, as I detailed on the https://overunity.com/18555/pandemic-can-anyone-design-a-satisfactorily-safe-and-cheap-plastic-face-shield thread .
Plastic Face-Shields are a good enough longer term solution, however, there is the problem for many people that they can damage their own clothing with the plastic edge of the Plastic Face-Shields, even though it is smooth and curved, some people can still damage their own clothing etc, why can't a Plastic Face-Shield be designed that eliminates that problem.
Also, are people suggesting no Face-masks or Plastic Face-Shields, is it a fake virus, it does not seem fake .
The protests against face masks and fake virus conspiracy theories have nothing to do with science more so politics. Donny trump and his populist friends like Bolsonaro and Putin put the economy and there only chance of reelection before human lives. Then when the virus went pandemic they got caught with there pants down and looked stupid. So they made up some bs excuses there gullible supporters could rally behind and they did. So no face masks, gathering in large numbers and Covid conspiracies are there way of saying they support there populist leaders despite the dangers to human lives and the facts.
However you nailed one aspect with regards to the elderly who are the most affected group. You see when the populists ignored the science many got infected which then infected there family and friends. Thus they are responsible for killing there own family, parents and grand parents who got infected and died. Now were starting to see the fallout of there ignorance as more people lose the one's they love and come to understand they were being lied to. Many have said there loved one's were avid trump supporters who ignored the science and now there dead. I get it, it's wonderful to believe in imaginary things however when our actions start killing innocent people, more so the one's we love that goes beyond ignorance right into sadistic and cruel behavior.
So I would say, believe the bs if you want, roll the dice but when someone you love dies because of your stupidity you own that shit. I would also say don't think for a minute anyone is going to forget what they have done and they will be judged. Does anyone think I or anyone else would forgive the complete and utter ignorance and disregard for the facts if there actions killed someone we love?. Nobody could possibly be that stupid... in my opinion.
There will be a reckoning, everything always comes full circle and people need to decide which side of history they want to be on.
Regards
Quote from: unsure on August 17, 2020, 11:43:20 PM
- I noticed a detail that I forgot on my 'Run the virus through the community' model, that is that many of the 'vulnerable to the virus age group people' do live with their family which are often people under 50, however, I assume that services or protocols could be provided so that the 'vulnerable to the virus age group people' could be shielded from the virus, although, I'm obviously no expert or anything.
I recently realized an obvious option, for the weak point in my 'Run The Virus Through The Community' Model, which is in the quote above .
The obvious option, would be to temporarily put 'Those Vulnerable To The Virus'( With One Carer ) who live with their family/relatives, into community-sports-facilities, universities, schools etc, which would not be used while 'Running The Virus Through The Community'.
NOTE - In the paragraph above, I typed ( With One Carer ), if desired, so that would make that detail more acceptable .
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If anyone else, groups or individuals, have published / raised this idea ( like my idea ) against the virus, it would be very interesting to see the details / model they have. And obviously, if any of them have actual relevant qualifications etc, then it would also be interesting to see their plan.
Crunching the numbers, it just seems that this idea of 'Running The Virus Through The Community', I have detailed in this thread, just seems much better than the current strategies, much less people dying, much less time wasted, much less damage to communities etc.
If anyone knows of a similar idea, by any groups or individuals, then please post links so people can examine them .
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thanks
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If a theoretical reason that governments would be worried about doing this 'Running The Virus Through The Community' plan, would be that they may be legally liable for deaths due to intentionally exposing people to the virus, then that argument would have pretty much no basis, because, at the moment in many countries, when the numbers of infected and in hospital start to decrease to low enough levels, the governments re-open bars and restaurants to run the virus through more of the community, and there's no chance of suing the government because you walked past a bar of sprinkler-mouths none of which are required to wear masks, and you're sure thats the only way you got infected ( when you walk past them you're often literally within centimeters of them ).
( Also, at the moment people just stand in front of bars etc without ordering anything, pretending to be part of a group etc, just to stand there without having to wear a mask, or they walk around with a drink bottle that there not actually drinking, or food item, or hold a cigarette, all just to not have to wear a mask, many chatting quite vividly and potentially infecting anyone that has to walk past them on narrow footpaths, and in those situations there is also no chance of suing the government for negligence )
My Previous Post Was The Following -
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Quote from: unsure on August 17, 2020, 11:43:20 PM
- I noticed a detail that I forgot on my 'Run the virus through the community' model, that is that many of the 'vulnerable to the virus age group people' do live with their family which are often people under 50, however, I assume that services or protocols could be provided so that the 'vulnerable to the virus age group people' could be shielded from the virus, although, I'm obviously no expert or anything.
I recently realized an obvious option, for the weak point in my 'Run The Virus Through The Community' Model, which is in the quote above .
The obvious option, would be to temporarily put 'Those Vulnerable To The Virus'( With One Carer ) who live with their family/relatives, into community-sports-facilities, universities, schools etc, which would not be used while 'Running The Virus Through The Community'.
NOTE - In the paragraph above, I typed ( With One Carer ), if desired, so that would make that detail more acceptable .
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If anyone else, groups or individuals, have published / raised this idea ( like my idea ) against the virus, it would be very interesting to see the details / model they have. And obviously, if any of them have actual relevant qualifications etc, then it would also be interesting to see their plan.
Crunching the numbers, it just seems that this idea of 'Running The Virus Through The Community', I have detailed in this thread, just seems much better than the current strategies, much less people dying, much less time wasted, much less damage to communities etc.
If anyone knows of a similar idea, by any groups or individuals, then please post links so people can examine them .
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The best indicator of at what stage the virus is in each country, would be the percentage of the population for each country, that have antibodies ( immunity ? ).
Even though it seems people can ? possibly be reinfected ( like the common cold, flu's , etc ? ), and, of course it seems people will need booster shots .
Does anyone know of any websites that show the current percentage of the population for each country ( or for any countries ), that have antibodies ( immunity ? ) ?
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.spektrum.de/news/vogelgrippe-das-naechste-pandemievirus-ist-vielleicht-schon-da/1875904 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.spektrum.de/news/vogelgrippe-das-naechste-pandemievirus-ist-vielleicht-schon-da/1875904)
Last autumn, two dozen experts from the World Biodiversity Council (IPBES) compiled the latest scientific knowledge about such pathogens in a report. The scientists estimate the potential for new global epidemics to be immense. The IPBES researchers believe that of the 1.7 million so far undiscovered viruses in host animals such as birds and mammals, between half a million and 850,000 viruses have a pandemic potential.
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QuoteIf a theoretical reason that governments would be worried about doing this 'Running The Virus Through The Community' plan, would be that they may be legally liable for deaths due to intentionally exposing people to the virus, then that argument would have pretty much no basis, because, at the moment in many countries, when the numbers of infected and in hospital start to decrease to low enough levels, the governments re-open bars and restaurants to run the virus through more of the community, and there's no chance of suing the government because you walked past a bar of sprinkler-mouths none of which are required to wear masks, and you're sure thats the only way you got infected ( when you walk past them you're often literally within centimeters of them ).
My theory is pretty common sense...
Not the government nor the medical community can know whether Covid would kill me within days or simply cause flu like symptoms. Thus the onus was on me to take precautions or suffer the consequences of my own ignorance. So I did take precautions and followed the recommendations of the health care professionals. Just recently I got the Pfizer vaccination with no issues other than a sore arm that night and after the next shot I should be good to go. I'm still alive so... my theory has some justification.
My point is that it was always on us as individuals to make responsible choices not the government or the community.
In the big picture, following logic and reason, letting a virus run wild in a community is stupid. It's like saying were supposed to be intelligent and act in our best interests but were going to act like it's the dark ages instead. I mean in the dark ages they had no choice because they were ignorant to all the knowledge and understanding we have today, they had an excuse. So if other people want to run in front of a bus, do crystal meth or ignore there doctors advice on Covid then it's really not my problem.
This may help put it in perspective... George Carlin
-"The planet is fine. The people are fucked."
-"Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity."
-"That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it."
-"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
-"Religion is like a pair of shoes.....Find one that fits for you, but don't make me wear your shoes."
-"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
-"He - and if there is a God, I am convinced he is a he, because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly."
-"I don't have pet peeves - I have major psychotic fucking hatreds."
To recap, if your depending on the intelligence of the government, the community or most other mindless groups for guidance... your going to be disappointed.
Regards
AC
Quote from: onepower on May 29, 2021, 02:08:59 AM
My point is that it was always on us as individuals to make responsible choices not the government or the community.
The responsible choice might be clear or known to an individual, but the individual might no be able to make that choice.
Imagine you are 60 years old and you do not want to go to work as a waiter in a restaurant, because you do not want to get Covid. That would be the case in any work situation where you have to be in close contact with other people.
Only people with savings or an income from investments have the choice to stay home. Therefore, most of the people need the government to make rules that protect them from infection, like "work from home" or "protective equipment at the workplace" or "closing restaurants, cinemas and so on, with compensation for the work force".
So, being responsible for yourself is nice, but are you in the position to be responsible?
In Austria the government did many things wrong, but overall the measures were not so bad, only 10.000 from 9 Million were lost to Covid. In many countries the government did much worse, like in the US and in Great Britain.
People who like to talk about personal freedom and personal choice do not like to talk about "who does really have freedom and a choice".
It is easy to want freedom and personal choice, but for most people there practically is no freedom and choice because of their financial situation.
Freedom and personal choice are theoretical concepts not applicable to real life situations. In real life you need a government stepping in, or people die a lot. You personally may accept heavy loss of live in the name of freedom or personal choice, I do not.
Greetings, Conrad
Conrad
QuoteIt is easy to want freedom and personal choice, but for most people there practically is no freedom and choice because of their financial situation.
Freedom and personal choice are theoretical concepts not applicable to real life situations. In real life you need a government stepping in, or people die a lot. You personally may accept heavy loss of live in the name of freedom or personal choice, I do not.
Not long ago many considered Covid a hoax because the government at the time lied to them, some still believe it today.
"I have noticed that even those who assert that everything is predestined and that we can change nothing about it still look both ways before they cross the street."
― Stephen Hawking
Like Hawking's quote, I noticed many who were complaining the loudest calling Covid a hoax also wore a mask and got vaccinated. So as Hawking points out the truth is determined by proof and action not false rhetoric. If people actually believed Covid was a hoax then why did they take precautions and get vaccinated?. No offense but we cannot trust anyone who continually says one thing but does the opposite.
If nothing else Covid taught us that governments cannot be trusted because they are controlled by people who cannot be trusted.
Regards
AC
In the hungarian parliament was(is ?) an ultra-nationalist, anti-jewish his "ideo-!?-logical view !
He did not know it,but found later that he has "jewish" ancestors !
He accepts it,but stays political anti-jewish !(was his statement anno 20??)
Anti-NaZi : Anti-National-Socialism or Anti-Na(tional)-Zi(onism) ::)
Everywhere we find pro-/contra positions,by CORONA we have a problem : invisible/non detectable illness ! (and clearly = superspreader)
Not knowing to be ill but other infecting : legal position !? Complicated ! For pro-/contra judges ! 8)
Written law and order or ideologic view : decision base ? Over all instances ?
Sincere
OCWL
The Corona virus is very easy to understand...it's a virus.
The only thing new about it is the fact most have never seen a virus like this in there lifetime. However life is short and this probably won't be the last virus we see with the way were going. Most mass producers, factory farms, large mixed markets and other large industries are a cesspool designed to breed new viruses.
As many people in more civilized countries claim, they wouldn't feed mass produced American or Chinese food to there dog because that would cruel. I got food poisoning from McDonalds twice before I swore I would never eat that rotten swill again.
Regards
AC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yclewsDdjwY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yclewsDdjwY)
btw.: I jobbed in the 80´ for McDonalds,Munich/BY/GER, front-/back service
but also : Zyma(Ciba-Geigy before name change,+ Sandoz =Novartis),Pharmacy
I can't stop
Cheap and fast ... after first few poisonings
You develop immunity
Some here trade in cheeseburgers ( type of early currency ("Mc bit Coin"
Rotten meat is sterilized by cooking but this doesn't do much for the smell,
ammonia does though.
and come on ....
what does a little pink slime mixed into the beef slurry matter any way and
it's still 100% beef.
... sarcasm ...
https://www.livescience.com/33786-pink-slime.html
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
New meaning to the phrase meat plant (the product, not the location) ..
Genetically modified chickens. No beaks, no necks, no feathers no feat,
no -> xes <- organs, no eyes. It's wasteful to feed these parts.
note... soft ware won't allow the phrase xes organs if the word xes if spelled in
reverse (that's pathetic).
Tiny barb holds the feeding tube in the "throat" while the "bird" is pinned / mounted
upon a wire frame. Tube at other end efficiently removes waste.
Optional, all wings, all thighs or drumsticks and up to 4 pairs per chicken.
Electric stimulation replaces exercise.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Not a future I want to see nor help build.
::) good prophecy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swpMfopVEJE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swpMfopVEJE) Bon appetito ! Idem artificial pizza,....
enough ?
it is coming better
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.apotheken-umschau.de/gesund-bleiben/sport-und-bewegung/ems-fit-durch-elektrische-muskelstimulation-713567.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.apotheken-umschau.de/gesund-bleiben/sport-und-bewegung/ems-fit-durch-elektrische-muskelstimulation-713567.html)
Muscles (https://www-apotheken--umschau-de.translate.goog/mein-koerper/muskeln/muskeln-und-muskelbeschwerden-708721.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax) from the socket? How long for Mr.Universum Schwarzenegger level ?
20 minutes of training once or twice a week should be enough to train the muscles.
:o how much time we win
anymore going out with the dog(rain,snow,storm,...) : dog-EMS
but good dog in-house behaviour coaching : https://img.myloview.de/poster/hund-auf-wc-sitz-400-53270312.jpg (https://img.myloview.de/poster/hund-auf-wc-sitz-400-53270312.jpg)
anti-fat-EMS ?
"Brain" from the socket ? Who still needs these days " brain" ? ;D
We do not need " no education ",we do not need " no thought controle ",
no dark sarcasm in the classroom,hey teachers let us kids alone
with our teaching neurophone ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG1fgCHvDNQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG1fgCHvDNQ)
I just hope they don't sell the baby chicks at the farm and feed stores
around Easter. But thankfully we can't use the phrase s3x organs.
fff is a. Friday for Future and b. Fit for Future
As (mortal )man I look not for https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_von_Willendorf (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_von_Willendorf)
but
https://www.gottwein.de/imag02/bottic02.jpg (https://www.gottwein.de/imag02/bottic02.jpg)
alike, as anonymous example,
https://bilder3.n-tv.de/img/incoming/origs22597590/3122798255-w0-h0/imago0108933359h.jpg (https://bilder3.n-tv.de/img/incoming/origs22597590/3122798255-w0-h0/imago0108933359h.jpg)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25C3%2584sthetik (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25C3%2584sthetik)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%25C3%25B6rperwelten (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%25C3%25B6rperwelten)
https://apps-cloud.n-tv.de/img/22575180-1621945554000/16-9/1136/2021-05-12T100047Z-1893904946-RC2MJD9CTF1F-RTRMADP-3-MOROCCO-SURFING.jpg (https://apps-cloud.n-tv.de/img/22575180-1621945554000/16-9/1136/2021-05-12T100047Z-1893904946-RC2MJD9CTF1F-RTRMADP-3-MOROCCO-SURFING.jpg)
Sometimes it is better off-line surfing than online-surfing ! Feed-back !
And the "Kick" against "waves" their forces and stream direction ! And "self" body,mind and soul refinding
Old and fat becoming men,male and female,will need and use EMS ,to survive our "cruel " -Fountain of Youth- society !
The pandemic virus "cocooning" including !
Why cocooning : BENCHMARK IS THE TOP (-LESS)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKallistik&sandbox=1
"Old age and treachery will always overcome youth and exuberance."
David Mamet
one is as old as one appears
like inside so outside like outside so inside
in mens sana corpore sano !? mens sana in corpore sano !? primary/secondary order : arrangement conditioning ?
Aphorismen,Lebensweisheiten(-Wirklichkeit !?) Wisdoms of life (-reality!?)
For the first impression there is no second chance
but for the second ,third,... impression there is ever a chance (print press invention)
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-WHk0gXDhMEI/VKlOz3xGiFI/AAAAAAAAGDM/MaRhJm9PUKA/s640/sandstone-467714_640.jpg (http://lh3.ggpht.com/-WHk0gXDhMEI/VKlOz3xGiFI/AAAAAAAAGDM/MaRhJm9PUKA/s640/sandstone-467714_640.jpg)
reziproke Bereitschaft ? ::) reciprocal readiness?
Introduce me to cardiac surgery ( heart opening)only because of a good first impression,not a little overestimated ? :-\
We are often with pleasure silent loud
Reciproke communication or about (mis-)/statement and answer :
Dear father, Berlin is great, the people are nice and I really enjoy being here.
But father,
I'm a little embarrassed to drive to school in a pure gold Ferrari 599 GTB
when my classmates and teachers come on a train.
Your son.
My beloved son,
20 million euros have just been transferred to your account.
Stop shaming our family
and buy yourself a train too!
Monolog End ::) :)
https://srv4.imgcdnhost.com/large/2021/22/9063300088368806329641200-346702.png (https://srv4.imgcdnhost.com/large/2021/22/9063300088368806329641200-346702.png) Spricht der Koerper/Ich oder Geist/Gehirn ?!
Learning to play as "I/ch" with the "Ge/Hirn" ,ob ES will oder n(i)ett !
JFK : Isch bin en Berlinaer !
Nathan-Yahoo : Isch bin en No-Na(tional)-Zi(onist) !
treachery and Kriecherei : aus der selben Fabrikation ! Becoming eld ,not old
And to know that we humans are more than only "anus sheating" !
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/technology/bat-cave-search-covids-origins-scientists-reignite-polarizing-debate-wuhan-lab-leak (https://www.modernhealthcare.com/technology/bat-cave-search-covids-origins-scientists-reignite-polarizing-debate-wuhan-lab-leak)
mind labor to 3/4d laboratory
we are modern,we are tolerant and reagent ( inside /outside glass ):
bio-analytics
in vitro/synthetic mammal behavioral theory practizising
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_fertilisation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_fertilisation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogacy)
and in vitro Fleisch / in vitro meat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_baby (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_baby) m/f/n or Cultured baby
clearly also,for not https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleisch_(1979 (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleisch_(1979)) trade,Cultured organs
".... ungefragt entnommen ...."
Huch,wie unhoeflich ! Ein Benehmen ! ??? Ob ein Organspende-NEIN X im Ausweis diese ueberzeugt haette ? ::)
https://www.n-tv.de/leute/Eva-Benetatou-posiert-mit-Babykugel-article22589060.html (https://www.n-tv.de/leute/Eva-Benetatou-posiert-mit-Babykugel-article22589060.html)
Zelle - Trennung - Zellhaufen - gut-/boesartig -Tumor oder Foetus -kannibalistisches Verhalten desselben-
das ungefilterte Frucht(blase)wasser unter Genfer ABC-Konvention : ultra-kontaminiert ,Kloake-/Kanalisations-Wasser,bio-hazard
Na Evchen,Dixie-Klo verschluckt ?
Bio-Waffen auf zwei Beinen oder kriechend
Aecht sexy !
Fette ,ueberstrapazierte Baeuche,m/f, : AECHT EKEL erregend ! Abscheu ! Haesslich ! Persoenliche Ansicht und bei visueller Ansicht : :P :-X
How to re-"design" middle-/oldies ?
Before
mammal baby production like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swpMfopVEJE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swpMfopVEJE) for fun,not as meal :P with on/off-switch and after "little ,nice baby/kiddy"-stage ,3/4 years ?,and recycling/dematerialize
and to electric energy conversion
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=4328420&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=4328420&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
meat to signal to meat cycle
We do not anymore gas mammals ,we digitize https://www.iknews.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/%C2%A9-Dmytro-Tolokonov-Fotolia.com_-300x225.jpg (https://www.iknews.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/%C2%A9-Dmytro-Tolokonov-Fotolia.com_-300x225.jpg) pixeling "personalities"
Cultured personality
How much AsamoR and EveR do we need - in/out - of us ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EveR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EveR)
"HEAD" with metallic skeletton ,trans-changeable biological sub-body( sub-body breeding industry, il-/legal body trade)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=hu&tl=en&u=https://www.bz-berlin.de/klassiker/op-erfolgreich-kopf-auf-fremden-koerper-transplantiert (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=hu&tl=en&u=https://www.bz-berlin.de/klassiker/op-erfolgreich-kopf-auf-fremden-koerper-transplantiert)
We are able to pick and choose some things in life, other things, we cannot.
To be able to have / experience life is a temporary arrangement.
This is not an option.
Humans are a / one of, the major forces on this planet.
We are "intelligent" and optionally we may behave accordingly.
Life's experiences and the universe are bigger than man's intelligence, immeasurably so.
This is not optional either.
That which created us and sustains and holds us is ultimately in charge.
Our choices matter.
People are often frustrated and feel ineffective.
Every moment holds the potential for any individual to bring forth
something of great value.
Each one of us has far more effect upon those around us than we generally are inclined
to acknowledge. It's big. it's significant. It matters. We matter. We are effective and
affecting.
This is not optional.
No matter "where one is coming from" it is legitimate and has value, when
it is expressed honestly / when we acknowledge our own responsibility for the
effects, our expression will have.
But we all too often are in denial of this fact, and / or may feel as if we are powerless.
We aren't.
opinion
best wishes
floor
Floor
Nice words
Words to live by ...
One good breakthrough of a simple "working
Concept" !
Will give us the choice we need to bring the change we need !
Thanks for all that you do... and your scientific rigor and honesty!!
As the saying goes "you want to change the world..??
_BE_that change""
Much gratitude
Chet K
Just reminding myself.
Floor
QuoteRotten meat is sterilized by cooking but this doesn't do much for the smell,
ammonia does though.
and come on ....
what does a little pink slime mixed into the beef slurry matter any way and
it's still 100% beef.
... sarcasm ...
I think you got it right when you said our choices matter...
What is not so well understood is that many small bad choices can be cumulative and in some respects extremely hard if not impossible to reverse. In this respect nature acts like the saying "there is no almost pregnant and either they are or there not". The build up can be incremental but once the transition to poor health, a failing environment or poor life choices takes hold it generally starts to snowball.
This is why many couldn't wrap there mind around why Covid was such a problem. A few infected people isn't a problem, a few infecting others leading to exponential growth, a pandemic, hospitals being overrun and millions dead is. This is how nature works and it builds up slowly until the cumulative actions reaches a tipping point then all hell breaks loose. Most short sighted people couldn't see this but the real experts did which is why they knew preventative measures mean little after the fact when little can be done to reverse the damage. Once the tipping point comes into play there is little if nothing we can do and were just along for the ride.
If the theory holds then were going to see some major blow back in the environment and in general health because of the cumulative actions we have taken to date. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction somewhere and it always comes full circle.
Regards
AC