I'm looking for a lenzless or lenz assisted motor. The three topics I have found so far are Thane Heins, Tinman's rotating transformer and OzSolarPower-Zero Back EMF pulse motor.
Is the Thane Heins design and the TM-rotating transformer basically the same thing? Or they accomplish the same effect but in two very different ways?
Any other motor ideas that I haven't listed that help remove or reduce negative effects from lenz?
Have you looked into Paul Babcock?
"Magnetic energy secrets" (Part 1) by Paul Babcok
A snippet: "Zero stating the inductor...reduced impedance effect...impedance is a product of Lenz's law, and we beat that, too. ...we use the motor coupling in space so we don't have flux cutting the windings...."
I came across him before but didn't give it much of a thought. Didn't even play his video. I've now taken a second look at his video and find it rather interesting. So thank you for pointing me in that direction. Difficult to go through all the info that is out there, 99.9 percent of which appears to be bull, so I thank you again for the heads up on his work.
I believe that Stan Meyer was also using the same flyback spikes to create his amp-restricted high voltage electric field to split water. One side negative and the other side rectified to positive.
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QuoteDifficult to go through all the info that is out there, 99.9 percent of which appears to be bull
The more info you absorb the more that your subconscious has to work with which results in more frequent and useful epiphanies.
Thanks again NdaClouDzzz. I will study the info you have provided.
I usually prefer more info than less but I took that route finding a generator build I would like to follow. Trying to speed up the search for a more efficient motor now since time goes by fast.
Stan Meyer's EPG also addressed the lenz issue. The following link starts at Stan's discussion: https://youtu.be/_-hY09qYfhw?t=1858 (https://youtu.be/_-hY09qYfhw?t=1858)
Part Two of EPG discussion: https://youtu.be/-T20Wmjce2E?t=593 (https://youtu.be/-T20Wmjce2E?t=593)
Very interesting. The key appears to happen in your second link at (14:35 - 15:01). I don't understand it though. He has his magnetic gas going around in a tubular non-magnetic coil, and coils are wrapped around that. I don't really understand his explanation of why the EMF is now reduced by going away from the coil in a right angle?
Attached is my drawing of what it sounds like his set up is.
There's something I'm missing here myself. A permanently magnetized gas circulating in a tube. This would be the same as a coil wrapped around a toroidal permanent magnet. And then spinning the toroid inside the coil. Imagine two semi circular permanent magnets connected together with coil wound around them. Spinning the magnet inside the coil will not induce a voltage in coil will it??? My basic understanding is that the magnetic field has to change, expanding outwards/inwards) from the core. As I see it lenz law is defeated because there is no voltage induced in coil. Not much use in that is it. Maybe I'm missing something, I haven't watched all of the video.
I haven't put any real effort into researching any of Stan's devices, but I have no doubt of the validity of using a high voltage electric field to produce hydrogen, just as Stan clearly pointed out in his house lecture ( https://youtu.be/fxciCZHHAn4?t=1612 (https://youtu.be/fxciCZHHAn4?t=1612) ). There are many ways of producing a high voltage electric field, Stan's way is just one way*. With regard to Stan's EPG, there's info everywhere. Here's one link: https://www.nikola-truck.com/epg-electric-particle-generator (https://www.nikola-truck.com/epg-electric-particle-generator)
See also, Chapter 2 "Gyroscopic Actions" in THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN https://archive.org/details/TheEnergyMachineOfJosephNewman8thEdition/page/n11/mode/2up (https://archive.org/details/TheEnergyMachineOfJosephNewman8thEdition/page/n11/mode/2up)
*For example, see Don Smith's Ambient Energy Generator https://overunity.com/18282/a-king-21-build-discussion-investigation/msg536914/#msg536914 (https://overunity.com/18282/a-king-21-build-discussion-investigation/msg536914/#msg536914) (Reply #57) and EFUSystem PDF https://overunity.com/18239/the-solution/msg552241/#msg552241 (https://overunity.com/18239/the-solution/msg552241/#msg552241) (Reply #64)
What is an electric field? https://eepower.com/capacitor-guide/fundamentals/electric-field/ (https://eepower.com/capacitor-guide/fundamentals/electric-field/)
The Capacitors Electric Field https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-13/electric-fields-capacitance/ (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-13/electric-fields-capacitance/)
For those interested in exploring Don Smith's Ambient Energy Generator and the EFU Pdf (see links above), see the following video by Bruno Vk for some important insight:
https://youtu.be/6gVHyHNADcI (https://youtu.be/6gVHyHNADcI)
The diode is very important. Also read the comments, as in my opinion, the worlds leading expert on Don Smith tech gives valuable insight there!!!!!!
https://youtu.be/p8xYUDiSGDk
This seems to be and example of water splitting without electrical current through the saltwater.
What is magnetic gas?
I know there are magnetic fluids ...
By the way, I would like to talk about this separately.
https://periodictable.com/Properties/A/MagneticType.html
Kolbacit, while researching gas magnetization I came across this video. What caught my attention was the gas production at the 11 minute mark of demonstration. In your experiments have you ever tested the effect of magnets on gas production. If so would you mind sharing your results.
https://youtu.be/LS3GQk9ETRU
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360319911023500
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pump
These links refer to liquid metals or electrolytes. And you are talking about some kind of gas.
I do not know conductive gases. only ionized plasma can be conductive.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6707208B2/en
Thank you all for contributing to my quest. Lots of good info for me to look through.
@Kolbacict , when I mentioned permanently magnetized gas in other post it was more like talking out loud to myself. That I know of a gas can't be permanently magnetized. Stan mentions in the video about them not showing magnetic properties at room temperature if I remember correctly. He continues to mention permanently magnetized gas but fails to mention what gas or even how it's formed. If he did I must have missed it.
Winding up my first coils now. Never done this before so I'll have a few newb questions to say the least. I plan to start with pancake coils instead of the standard long ones. Going to try bifilar like tesla basically. Looks like I need to make an LC circuit. The circuit appears simple enough but finding the values for the capacitor and inductor appears to be really difficult. Can I use a variable capacitor and just turn it's knob until the coil starts resonating?
I'm not starting with pancake coils after all. It would take to long to make for an initial test. I need to see if I can get some energy from the aether before trying to refine the system. Here is my technology for making bobinas. We'll see how tired I get from the hand crank before I think about a motorized version. I've purchased a wrist and grounding mat to work on. Hope that keeps me from getting killed from working with this stuff. Or does that only protect the electronics and not me?
QuoteOr does that only protect the electronics and not me?
I do not see how this device can pose a danger to humans. :)
Thanks for checking it out. I hope it'll be safe for other life forms as well when I start adding power. Voltage and large coils scare me. I at least know enough to know that I don't yet know enough.
Going with pancake coils after all. My previous tech proved that it would take me just as long, if not longer, to make a regular coil to my specs so why not just go with the pancake since that is what I would prefer to test with. The hand crank idea is out. Hurt my back cranking that thing and keeping tension on the wire so the next iteration has to be motorized. Purchased a servo with 120kg of torque so we'll see if that is enough. Wheels and springs should arrive in a few days.
Anyone else make a motorized pancake coil maker? I saw one person modify a 3D printer with a cam head to lay down wire on a sticky surface. That'll be plane C if this one also fails.
Need about 30 to 50 coils so I need some kind of production method going. This one took 3 days, working part time on it, which is to long. I'd like to get this project done in my lifetime if possible.
Cleaned and scaled up the 3d sketch to real world proportions. It now closely represents the springs, casters, servo and others parts I have. Time to start building.
Been looking at Tesla Hairpin replications recently. Has anyone run a motor from the electricity it produces? All I've seen so far is light bulbs tested.
The placement of the NS rotor magnets utilize the power of reverse Lenz attraction.
A power coil backing magnet would amplify the power to allow a reduction of input while doubling the backspike at masking strength. This combination would create an overunity motor with the recovery diode.
A GAP Adam's overunity pulse motor. The rotor magnet spacing is critical.
@synchro1. Thank you very much for the info on the GAP Adam's device. I am not familiar with it and will research it more. As I learn about these devices, posts like yours help my understanding grow as I start to find more similarities between them.
This magnetic reed switch has a polarized iron rod that was magnetized by contact with the neo sphere. It is attracted by one pole of the sphere and repelled by the other. The sphere is receiving two power pulses from the coil in Adam's resonance. One from the backspike.
Collected BEMF from a recovery diode and an output coil turn this simple design into an Overunity generator.
Spring "Reed Switch" - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UqRnr9y6So)
The magnetic reed switch is a self runner in Adam's resonance. You can witness the neo sphere spontaneously self regulate a resonant dwell in the video.
The resonant frequency RPM is controlled by the coil resistance and discharge rate. A high perm core and backing magnet coupled with a Mosfet would improve the COP.
The Lenz reverse power pulse coupled with the recovery diode output together are overunity.
The iron pin is simply a braid nail. 2 different gauge wires allow sufficient rigidity to slow the speed down to Adam's resonance. The clumsy overbuilt switch supplies the correct delay.
Is this your video?
Quote from: kolbacict on October 28, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
Is this your video?
Yes. The electromagnet is a pot core. The biasing neo cube only effects one pole of the EM. This leaves the center pole weak. The oscillation occurs when the magnet stack is positioned in the neutral zone between them. Just a razor width.
The video appears to show a casual positioning of the neos on razor blade, but it was after many tries and within a millimeter of the neutral zone. I knew exactly where to place it. You need to fish for it!
The other alternative explanation, because you stated that you couldn't replicate the effect, is a virtual short caused by crossed wires. Either way the oscillation consumes power.
60Hz is fed to the coil, and the elasticity and mass of the steel plate correspond to its mechanical resonance in this freequency?
Well, where does the increase in mechanical vibration energy come from when a permanent magnet approaches?
I still don't understand your opinion ...
Quotebecause you stated that you couldn't replicate the effect,
I had it with a vibration transducer, I showed it ...
The electromagnet coil is generating the oscillation. The magnets cause the electrical elements inside the coil to react to the lopsided fields somehow. Nothing happens if the power is disconnected. I really can't answer your question because I am not sure what's going on myself.
Below is the schematic from Lidmotor for the position of the reverse biased light emitting diode (LED). The florescent bulb is illuminated by the same circuit.
The attraction strength from that 1'1/2 neo sphere would crush your hand against a refrigerator. You can see from this angle how the magnetic reed switch is canted to deliver the correct firing position. The weaker Lenz reverse pulse needs to fire at TDC. The power pulse needs to fire off center to center the spinner.
This Alien "Crop Circle" is a symmetrical bipolar depiction of the Lenz Propulsion. Look closely and two smaller circles of different sizes appear that represent the power difference between the primary input pulse and the backspike and the position of TDC.
Joe Newman patented a motor that had 2 coils that created a timing issue and monsterous commutator. The crop circle solves it. One coil eliminates that problem. Pumping water with the rotor and recycling backspike from a "Big Eureka" Coil would work even better than Joe's design. The Crop Circle clearly shows TDC at the backspike! That is Free Power! The adjacency of TDC amplifies the BEMF!
Did you think that when a steel plate vibrates near a magnet, the magnetic permeability of this plate also changes? ;)
Quote from: kolbacict on October 30, 2021, 03:51:33 AM
Did you think that when a steel plate vibrates near a magnet, the magnetic permeability of this plate also changes? ;)
Wesley Gary patented an oscillator with magnetic saturation
as an operating principle.
The degree of offset was calculated by Newman and determined to be 17 degrees off TDC. This offset delivers an equal force to the rotor to balance the weaker Lenz Propulsion force at TDC. Free power is amplified by the pole adjacency to the coil during the collapse event!
Here's a sketch of the angle :You can superimpose this over the Crop Circle angle above.
This motor generator has an SRF. A sonic transducer can couple with the self resonanting frequency.
Coupled with the work of Keely. Broadcasting a sound wave toward the neo sphere at Adam's resonance SRF should help power the spinner.
The multi coil version below would run at a higher RPM in Adam's resonance because the discharge rate of the smaller coils is lower. The Dwell would remain the same.
The Sphere magnets would need to be arranged NS in pairs like the wheel magnets pictured below to run in Adam's resonance.
The Coil Ohms and discharge time determine not only the NS magnet seperation but also the number of pairs on the rotor and the diameter of the rotor.
The position of the (Reed Switch Trigger Magnets) in the schematic show the inventors TDC in the middle when ideally it should be where the Crop Circle shows it. The idea is correct and open to fine tuning! The Backspike needs to pulse the trailing magnet at top dead center! Doubling the magnets then seperating them that much does nothing to help.
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A lower grade magnet of equal weight could balance the primary pulse.
QuoteWesley Gary patented an oscillator with magnetic saturation
as an operating principle.
But in order to move the magnetic shield and cancel the field, mechanical work must be done.
The energy for this will eat up all the useful power output.
Quoteas an operating principle.
As a principle, yes, but it won't work.
Quote from: kolbacict on November 01, 2021, 01:57:19 AM
But in order to move the magnetic shield and cancel the field, mechanical work must be done.
The energy for this will eat up all the useful power output.As a principle, yes, but it won't work.
"The nail drops off when the iron shield demanetizess in the neutral zone"
The question is does the razor blade demagnetize in Neutral Zone?
The placement of the rotor magnet at (Backspike TDC) amplifies the recovery current. The inventor of the schematic imagines adding advantage by pulsing between the NS magnets. Repositioning the trigger magnets at Adam's dwell would multiply his recovery power. His approach of double the magnets at twice the distance is pretty stupid!
Does it really work ?!
And without batteries and gasoline?
We have to keep in mind that Gary's oscillator works at a "Bar Bird" rate! The untested idea looks like a good idea! De saturation compared to chemical evaporation.
The iron shield attracts down, raises the adjacent magnets, then the shield reaches saturation and withdraws with less force.
Lidmotor is pointing to a phantom S pole on his monopole rotor. This is a Reed switch diode looped pulse motor. Lidmotor generates power with an Adam's back kick and recycles the BEMF. This is a self runner!
A close look shows the Reed switch off to the side. A normal magnetic switch would trigger at the strong pole but not the Panthom pole. The phantom pole would still power the rotor from the kick back!
https://overunity.com/18854/motor-search-for-lenz-less-or-lenz-assisted/dlattach/attach/183542/ (https://overunity.com/18854/motor-search-for-lenz-less-or-lenz-assisted/dlattach/attach/183542/)
Will this effect work in case of lower frequency oscillations?
For example, swinging a pendulum?
p.s. At least with a magnet from below the iron pendulum, you can quickly change the period of its oscillation. Without stopping pendulum. ;)
Quote from: kolbacict on November 09, 2021, 05:39:10 AM
https://overunity.com/18854/motor-search-for-lenz-less-or-lenz-assisted/dlattach/attach/183542/ (https://overunity.com/18854/motor-search-for-lenz-less-or-lenz-assisted/dlattach/attach/183542/)
Will this effect work in case of lower frequency oscillations?
For example, swinging a pendulum?
p.s. At least with a magnet from below the iron pendulum, you can quickly change the period of its oscillation. Without stopping pendulum. ;)
The Hendershot does that.
Skilling replicated it. 500 khz sounds roughly around where that oscillation is on the EM!
This is a high water mark ideo. Synchro is mentioned by the experimentor.
"Hendershot Fuelless Generator" - Wesley W. Gary's Neutral Zone - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry3qY4nzMew)
Lidmotor generates 70 volts of power with an oscillation between the magnet and the inductor.
Below we can see the legs of the permanent horsehoe magnet at the top and the two solinoids and keeper at the bottom. This "Hendershot" is basically a scaled up Reed Switch!
Thanks for share.
Do you think it is better an AC voltage ?
Quote from: MagnaProp on May 03, 2021, 12:24:02 AM
I'm looking for a lenzless or lenz assisted motor. The three topics I have found so far are Thane Heins, Tinman's rotating transformer and OzSolarPower-Zero Back EMF pulse motor.
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Any other motor ideas that I haven't listed that help remove or reduce negative effects from lenz?
Have you heard of the "Mars motor?" by Launchpoint Technologies? It's the electric engine on the Mars rover's helicopter, as I read was planned when developed a few years back.
It's cool!
The 3-phase stator is simple radial wires, like spokes of a wheel.
There's no iron.
A Halbach array of neo magnets is assembled at the edge of a carbon fiber disk. The disk spins on a through shaft that is the output power.
The radial spokes stator of magnets spin around the stationary spokes.
Then another Halbach array is squeezed against the first, sandwiching the stationary radial copper spokes.
Each Halbach array multiples the flux on the working side to nearly two Tesla using common 1.1 Tesla neomagnets.
When the array is pushed together, the magnets double the flux, nearly, on the working side to nearly two Tesla.
When the sandwich is assembled, the flux of the two Halbach arrays is arranged so that the oppose each other.
The spinning pair of opposing arrays, when squeezed together on the output shaft, will almost again double the flux strength, to just under four Tesla.
No iron, no Lenz loss from iron.
I looked around and can't find any images showing the motor break-down anymore.
The motor is pictured on this page about hybrid electric vehicle motors, but it's the Mars motor prototype..
https://www.launchpnt.com/portfolio/transportation/electric-vehicle-propulsion (https://www.launchpnt.com/portfolio/transportation/electric-vehicle-propulsion)
https://www.launchpnt.com/hs-fs/hub/53140/file-14463407-jpg/images/halbach-electric-motor-prototype.jpg?width=233&height=234&name=halbach-electric-motor-prototype.jpg (https://www.launchpnt.com/hs-fs/hub/53140/file-14463407-jpg/images/halbach-electric-motor-prototype.jpg?width=233&height=234&name=halbach-electric-motor-prototype.jpg)
The project was an SBIR program, where NASA works with innovating companies.
The lack of iron to concentrate the magnetism is made up by the high speed. The motor pictured above, if memory serves, weighed about a pound, and delivered 7 HP at speed. Can't recall, a few thousand RPMs.
But wait! Here's a YouTube video by Launchpoint from 2010... a speed test...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFGCHlCNhq8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFGCHlCNhq8)
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Grinding neodymium magnets:
For the idly curious... I ground neo-s into an 18 degree wedge to make a Halbach array, and want to share that unless the magnets fit together tightly, the flux-compression to throw flux to one side of the magnet doesn't occur much at all. The flux flips over to one side only after the gaps are nearly closed. I can share how to assemble a Halbach array on a thick piece of steel to shunt the hard-press if anyone is into that. A circular array technique.
And yes, neo grinding dust does ignite and the pile of dust will burn. I ground with a mill, using a bit turning at a super-slow 2 rpm, and sort of rubbed through for hours and hours taking off only two to five thousandths inch per pass to make 20 wedges. Anything faster drew sparks. Treat dry dust like gun powder around sparks. Also, keep another neo near the grinding point to catch most of the dust on the magnet. I kept my dust ball on the magnet wet with penetrating oil that was helping cool the mill bit. It ignited several times, but when wet with penetrating oil it only burned as a glowing read line for a few millimeters and stopped. Sort of like steel wool burns in a flame. I think it will flash burn when dry. I didn't try. Use care. The stuff is not poisonous at all, but don't breath any burning metal vapors, period. That's bad. Ventilate.
That mechanism you observed:
The compression increasing as distance draws closer and closer
then FLIP!
If you experiment with this, various magnetic shapes
you can direct the flipping in any direction
This is the drive mechanism of the Howard Johnson rotary motor
The magnitude of the flux on the flip side cam be
orders of magnitude greater than on the compression side
Quote from: activ25 on December 06, 2021, 08:57:57 AM
Thanks for share.
Do you think it is better an AC voltage ?
The 'Mars motor' is 3-phase A.C. current driven. The stationary copper spokes that are electrified, sandwiched between the Halbach arrays, are three sets of spokes. These three layers of conductors step the activating voltage through the spokes. The magnets rotate to follow the 3-phase rotation of the electromagnetic field around and around the spokes.
Thank you synchro1 and others that are contributing to this thread, for your continued help. I was hoping to respond sooner with some actual progress but work has gotten in the way more than I should allow. Hope to have something fairly soon to show. I'm concerned by coil building apparatus won't work good. I'm not sure if the motor I have will be powerful enough to no only overcome the tension I will put on the wires as I wind them but also the friction created by having the coil sandwiched between spring loaded caster wheels which I'm starting to realize is a rather bad poor mans version of a thrust bearing.
@DonEMitchell I have heard of the flying mars vehicle but did not know about the construction of the "Mars motor". Sounds like it would have to be rather efficient at its function so I'll look into it further. Thanks for pointing it out to me.
To fully use the electromagnet make it a horseshoe with one half of the coil on the second arm you'll need a second wheel with magnets ..then load the bottom of the electromagnet with small neos that get absorbed by the core so no flux fields stick out when the electromagnet fires the neos just add there power to the total reducing needed power the second wheel doubles the horse power . You might have to cast the core with #7 iron shot and epoxy after they've been sprayed with polyurethane to insulate them ...add the neos a little at a time and judge the effects .,