Stefan, if my work on Bessler is successful I will never visit Germany.
The 4 weight wheel version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZcu-8J0Lqk
No one knows how to recognize a scam. And yet I was vilified for actually working and discussing things with people.
Goggle saved the "My Invention" thread in its entirety. https://overunity.com/12597/my-invention/165/wap/
What people might wonder is why you supported people attacking someone that has series physical health issues.
What's funny is that I've been hoping to do something with The Gäs https://www.facebook.com/TheGaesOfficial
and MaDe for kids e.V. https://www.facebook.com/MaDe-for-kids-eV-917246871756432/
but I probably won't. I will send The Gäs both links so they'll know that Germans don't like me.
Unfortunately just as with Christians in the U.S., I am not someone they like. It's a conformity issue. An example is that I was called
evil in church because I had a Norwegian accent. People like people that are like themselves. At least A.B. Hammer kept his word. He
told me that if I didn't make it about him that he'd ruin everything for me. But people who have it good have no need to work for
something they don't need.
And A.B. Hammer has it good, this is him and as for his medical conditions, they could be resolved but that's not what he wants or
needs. Why he does nothing about his situation, he has it good. https://www.ksla.com/story/37863650/an-arklatex-man-endures-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/
It just shouldn't have been an issue to work at German history (actually Saxony history) with other people but it was. And at the end of the day, I've yet to have had a life. People need to learn that if they want something that they need to work for it or work with other people to have it. People causing me problems might not have changed what it is that I need to do but they made it a bad experience because they wanted what I was working at. Or they wanted me to do nothing because they were doing nothing. Yet I am the bad person, right? And that's because I was willing to work with other people?
I'll probably be making a working wheel known in March or April because I am willing to work for what I want. Of course from my perspective if what I do works, if people worked with me instead of causing me problems then what I'm doing might have been realized a couple of years ago. And since I need major surgery, that would've let me enjoy my life. Now? I have a lot of bad memories that I have to live with. Still, I'll probably do a show at Utrecht University for Bessler. And if that happens, I'll probably ask the Netherlands to block the passports of people who caused me problems or supported those who did. That would show my displeasure with those who support cyber bullying and those that are cyber bullies.
And I think with what I've been working through, if I can do it so I can have a life then other people can do it as well. It's just that they'll need to learn about their situation so they can understand what they need to do. This is where when people work together just as people have worked against me, it shows that people have a voice that can be heard.
Bessler did mention that there are rules that perpetual motion has to follow. The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot influence itself. When Bessler said that his primary
mechanism had an external drum, this then allows for the 1st law of thermodynamics. Simply stated, the Earth's heat content of its gravitational field can be conserved as mechanical energy.
A basic example is that joules, watts and force are all relative terms. f = ma, right? And watts is joules/second. And a joule is 1 newton meter of force. A kilogram at 1 meter has 9.81 newtons of force.
This is all basic science.
Needless to say I am shocked that Stefan allowed my post. But because he did, I will say what it is about Bessler's work that is Bessler's underlying principle. With the attached image, with A,
1 + 1 * sin45 = 1.707. Divided by 2 it is 0.854. A weight rotating 45º = 0.854 * the weight.
When a weight is moving on the ascending side, an example is sin45 * 30 = 22,98. And if the disc retracts a weight 20 inches over 90º of rotation, then sin45 * 42.5 = 30.05. And when it rotates another 45º
it will be 20 inches from the axle. This means that when a weight moving upwards, when it is at an angle of 45º below the level of the axle, it's distance to the left of the axle basically remains the same. And when the descending weight averages a distance to the right of the axle (left and right say right angle to) is 36 inches to the right of the axle.
This allows for a torque of 4.4 newton meters. And if a wheel has a mass of 26 kg, can 4.4 n-m of torque rotate it? Years of work allows for this simple question to be asked. I have been in contact with a librarian at Utrecht University in Utrecht, Netherlands. They have this rare, original book of Bessler's. And he is aware that saying Bessler wasn't a fraud is extremely toxic. If you click on the yellow button that says digital version, you will see Bessler's original book in a digital format.
https://www.uu.nl/en/utrecht-university-library-special-collections/collections/early-printed-books/scientific-works/das-triumphirende-perpetuum-mobile-orffyreanum-by-johann-bessler
If you guys are wondering, Bessler most likely knew analytical trigonometry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvSI2yS5M1w and to be realistic, in Bessler's time, this is a part of trigonometry. It was the math people knew. Today we have calculus. That is actually better at describing the force acting on a Bessler wheel but it omits the details at the same time.
p.s., understanding something like this requires at the minimum an understanding of algebra. It helps to understand how that applies to f = ma. I will be testing this design in January, 2022. Can torque be conserved as momentum? That is what needs to happen in order for gravity to be conserved as mechanical energy. This then can get into a lot of science because once torque is conserved then the moment of inertia of the wheel becomes a consideration. This is what helps to determine at what velocity it will rotate if it works.
There is something that makes this a toxic subject. It's called the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Energy can't effect its own state of being. Pretty basic.
The 1st law of thermodynamics allows for energy to be conserved. An example is when the distance between a fulcrum and a pulley increases, the distance
to the weight wheel remains the same.
This shows that no work has been done if a weight on a pendulum which gets its force from swinging remains constant. Just basic Bessler Mechanics. And if
anyone has noticed, the axle the wheel rotates around is to one side of the fulcrum of the pendulum. 2 pulleys simply allow for a pendulum to swing from the
axle of the wheel. And in over 300 years everyone has missed this.
If you consider that in ancient Rome that wild animals were lifted to the arena floor because pulleys were used. At a 1:1 ratio where a line passes over them,
and even at a much different ratio, they are guides. It is when a line rotates a pulley that it is performing work as far as work = mass time distance goes.
And it seems that even a drum (retraction disc) follows the rule of ratios. And at 1:1, a 90º rotation of the disc allows for the weight wheel to move up the arm
at the same rate. This gets into a lot of math, mechanics, etc.
And I am posting this because Ken Behrendt might read this. Then he will know that there is math theory as well as mechanics behind what I am doing. And
going back many years, I've always followed the math and Bessler's clues. And a link to Ken's book; https://www.amazon.com/Triumphant-Orffyrean-Perpetual-Finally-Explained/dp/1546276467
And if what I am doing works then he can write a new book about how Bessler was successful but didn't receive the credit that he deserved. Basically my work does need to be about
Johann Bessler. It is his work and if what I am doing is right then he'll deserve credit for what he did. And this would make me his student. I am learning from him, right?
QuoteStefan, if my work on Bessler is successful I will never visit Germany.
And I won't go to it at all, whether I make a Bessler wheel or I don't make a Bessler wheel.
Or maybe I already have it. But not because of this, but because no one is waiting for me there.
It's good for you to discourse, I will go, I will not go. :)
You have a choice. :D
I have reviewed Bessler's book (authentic Tartar Sauce)
It is advanced mechanical engineering, even for our time,
The title appears deceiving because of misinterpretation.
He is not saying anything about perpetual motion as we think of it.
What this book says is how to keep devices operating for long periods of time.
Every device he describes has a clearly stated drive mechanism,
which can be seen in the lithographs.
(that those fancy old world computer looking sketches)
The existence of this book not only gives credibility to Bessler,
but also validates claims that he was intentionally discredited by acedemia.
He employs the use of: Flywheels, clockwork gears, weights, pulleys, rope-drives,
the Archimedes Screw, levers, and even harmonic balancers.
Quite impressive
Quote from: kolbacict on January 01, 2022, 07:03:08 AM
And I won't go to it at all, whether I make a Bessler wheel or I don't make a Bessler wheel.
Or maybe I already have it. But not because of this, but because no one is waiting for me there.
It's good for you to discourse, I will go, I will not go. :)
You have a choice. :D
I've been to Germany before. And Germans have told me they like AB Hammer but not me. They say I killed someone.
This makes it a bad situation. The police want to know who it was that I killed. It is stressful being attacked for having
killed someone. But I think this was so that AB Hammer can have my work. You'd do that for a friend, right?
This is where if people get AB Hammer, they'll be unhappy. Of course would someone do what they can to ruin someone's
life over Bessler's wheel? People don't think anyone would.
And this is what AB Hammer and rlortie promoted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LeYYidRXlk
It is what their combined 50 years of experience taught them. And this is their lesson which people have to accept because
they are helping people. And accepting what they teach is mandatory. The principle being demonstrated is
called The Keel Effect. It explains why perpetual motion is impossible. And at besslerwheel.com, they too accept The Keel Effect
and have been saved.
I now accept The Keel Effect so AB Hammer, rlortie and their friends will like me. And now I'm not a killer because I learned why
I was the problem. See? Now I'm going along to get along.
p.s., the Republic of Saxony hasn't always been a part of Germany. And as for Germany, it didn't become a country until 1849.
Bessler passed away around 1745.
p.s.s., I find it disturbing that wanting to work with other people on Bessler's wheel was a problem. And this goes back to perpetual
motion is impossible. It is impossible. Conserving energy however is possible. That is the difference between the 1st and 2nd laws
of thermodynamics. But most people don't understand this.
p.s., and since I need surgery first and foremost, if this build works like I think it can then I might walk away from this. And then I can
do things that aren't as toxic. I have asked this guy https://www.mpic.de/3785120/profile-poeschl about working on an atmospheric
chemistry experiment with me. A working Bessler wheel might encourage him. You know, I discover a part of his country's history
and he helps me to see if we can discover something working together. And to do that, I wouldn't need to visit Germany. Since I'd be
recovering from major surgery I'd have an excuse. And with the experiment, it would be to see if conservation of energy allows for
a new process in atmospheric chemistry. And that would give him a reason to work with me.
And with the science, the IPCC has said that it has observed something but does not understand why it happens. It's like asking if a
drum can lift weights if it is not a part of the wheel. Can it?
Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 01, 2022, 08:43:23 AM
I have reviewed Bessler's book (authentic Tartar Sauce)
It is advanced mechanical engineering, even for our time,
The title appears deceiving because of misinterpretation.
He is not saying anything about perpetual motion as we think of it.
What this book says is how to keep devices operating for long periods of time.
Every device he describes has a clearly stated drive mechanism,
which can be seen in the lithographs.
(that those fancy old world computer looking sketches)
The existence of this book not only gives credibility to Bessler,
but also validates claims that he was intentionally discredited by acedemia.
He employs the use of: Flywheels, clockwork gears, weights, pulleys, rope-drives,
the Archimedes Screw, levers, and even harmonic balancers.
Quite impressive
I find it interesting that people overlook this;
Around the firmly placed horizontal axis is a rotating disc (low or narrow cylinder) which resembles a grindstone. This disc can be called the principle piece of my machine. Accordingly, this wheel consists of an external wheel (or drum) for raising weights which is covered with stretched linen.
https://besslerwheel.com/writings/das_triumphans.html
Aren't you able to consider how a weight can have 2 different axis of rotation? Or does a person have to be like Bessler was? He was 1/2 German and 1/2 Polish.
Today we're called hybrids. We can consider more than one perspective. An example is, can I only consider the 2nd law of thermodynamics? And if you don't
understand mechanics, math and science then in these forums that makes you an expert. And sadly, skeptics are the most credible people in a perpetual motion forum.
And they're experts because all they need to say is "It won't work".
Still, the actual problem might be that I am working at it and that bothers some people. In besslerwheel.com, AB Hammer and other "private" builders wanted me banned
because they wanted people to talk to them about what they say they're building but can't show. A lot of people tried arguing that it was nice that someone was
willing to work openly with people but in the end I got banned. And as for those who liked someone sharing their work with them? They got chased off. It's strange that
people who say "prove it to us" are seen as credible while they refuse to show their work.
Johnsmith
It's an interesting problem and many people can read the same literature and come to completely different conclusions. Does anyone know if there is an English translation of Besslers book?.
Regards
AC
Quote from: onepower on January 01, 2022, 11:37:58 AM
Johnsmith
It's an interesting problem and many people can read the same literature and come to completely different conclusions. Does anyone know if there is an English translation of Besslers book?.
Regards
AC
Thanks. I know a lot of people at besslerwheel.com cite the book John Collins wrote. I have asked Ken Behrendt if he translated Bessler's book. At the other forum, I think different people translated different parts of what Bessler wrote. It would be a thought for to translate the book that Utrecht University has. I'd need to type it in German like Wie es aberben müctlicher and then use an online translator so it becomes How it is more difficult
I don't know if someone has done a best possible translation of Bessler's own book. Because it is over 300 years old there is no copyright involved.
With what I am working on, the drawing with the person swinging agrees with Bessler having said that his weights get their force from swinging. What people will not understand is that the drum does not rotate when it lifts a weight. This is because the wheel is rotating. The 3rd drawing shows a line going from the right side of the drum to directly below the grindstone; quoting Bessler;
Around the firmly placed horizontal axis is a rotating disc (low or narrow cylinder) which resembles a grindstone.
When his grindstone rotates 90º the drum will lift the weight closer to the axle. In the drawing both weights are swinging from the right side of the drum. And where the lines are bent, those are pulley locations. Then when the grindstone rotates, the line to the pulley on the left will wrap around the drum. In the example given, a 20 inch radius has a 90º arc segment that is 31.42 inches long. Because the line's length remains a constant length, the weight is the same distance from the fulcrum. Yet it will move 31.42 inches closer to the axle.
It's after this that f = ma can be considered because of the n-ms of torque being developed by the overbalance. What I've realized is that it does seem to require 8 weight wheels. This is because resistance in the bearings does consume a fair amount of energy. And if the moment of inertia is considered then it can be known how much energy is lost because of the bearings and bushings used. I'm actually working on a spreadsheet for that. They help to organize my thoughts. There is a lot to consider with this design. And with moment of inertia and f = ma, how much energy does a wheel that weighs 22 kg's need to rotate at 0.5 m/s with it's moment of inertia at as an example 0.75 meters? This is one energy expenditure often over looked.
A link to my YouTube channel; https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6p2S01II-6I2j46qVXnHXg
p.s., the answer is 11 newtons. And the torque I'm building to is 4.74. So if it rotates at 0.125 m/s, it will need 2.75 newtons. At .2 m/s it will need 4.4 newtons. And since 60 cm's is about the moment of inertia,
60 * 2Pi = about 4.4 meters. So it could rotate at about 3 rpm. If so then the frame itself will need to go on a diet.
I went over some of the math again. A velocity of 0.25 m/s^2 would be anticipated. This is with using weight wheels that have a mass of 1.363 kgs.
If the mass of the weight wheels were increased by 0.5 kgs so they'd weigh 1.863 kgs, then the anticipated velocity would be about 0.325 m/s^2.
This means that adding 1.1 lbs. to each weight wheel would be about 5 rpm. And since a part of the frame including the weight wheels not creating
an over balance would be moving downward, would that extra force account for the resistance in the bearings?
This is where doing math is essential. And with what I've built, this is where having a shop would've helped. And while 3 to 5 rpm doesn't sound
like much, it is more than 0 rpm. And with my experience, I'll know how I can improve this design. Of course if this build works then there are 3 or 4
other ways that I can think of that are possible. Then it's a matter of understanding what force/energy can be conserved. And for fun, there is the
Atmos clock which if it's builders wanted it to, it could probably be a perpetual motion machine. It converts ambient air temperature into work. And
this is an example of the 1st law of thermodynamics. If you consider that a change in temperature of 1º (they do not specify C or F but will consider
C as most likely) can run for 2 days or more, then a larger model would be able to store/conserve more energy and could run for many more days.
https://revolutionwatch.com/the-atmos-clock-part-one/
And a working Bessler wheel could allow me to do a show at Utrecht University with Bessler's original book. Then some of Bessler's drawings could be
animated (built) using this design as a basis for converting drawings into working wheels. That'd mostly be for Bessler. And as everyone knows, Bessler
was arrested for being accused of being a fraud. And with how things have gone for me, things really haven't changed in the last 300 years.
And the Atmos clock does describe the challenge of perpetual motion quite accurately. How can energy be conserved. This is where with room
temperature, if you consider that KE = 3/2kT then the energy of an ideal gas can only change if it is acted upon by something else. And thermodynamics
allows for conservation of energy when seeking an equilibrium/balance. And Bessler said that his wheel always sought a balance but could never find it.
And that is why the wheel would rotate, it would be seeking a balance between the left and right sides of the axle.
@onepower, Ken let me know that John Collins paid a lot of money for getting Bessler's writings translated. I might do my own because of the numerous
builds that I've done based on both Bessler's writings and drawings. This is where if my build works then I'll have a better understanding of Bessler's
work than anybody else because I took the time (over a decade?) to do the work. I actually started in 2008 or 2009 with building. With that said I also
had to learn wood working so I can build. I have experience and schooling with machining and have CATIA schooling and blueprint schooling as well.
What CATIA is; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CATIA
I used to work for Boeing and had a friend recommend that I take a few classes. This is where using SketchUp today is pretty easy for me.
p.s., I think I will do a translation of Bessler's book. Then if what I am building works then I could probably offer an accurate translation. Then someone who
knows German and understands both mechanics and science can review my translation and improve it. And to add a picture that no one has published, it
seems to be how the pendulum worked with the inner mechanics of Bessler's wheel. Because I know what book that picture is in, I'll be able to translate the
pages before and after it to see if how it works is explained. With the 3rd picture, it shows both the end view and the side view of Bessler's wheel.
And Wagner is the person who called Bessler a fraud. So it might be interesting to learn more about it.
We have what's known as a paradox. I might tank my work on Bessler's wheel. I have my own invention which I might be able to have built.
And any time I demonstrate something, there are 2 groups of people I could work with. What most have missed is that Bessler's wheel could
be beneficial in a humanitarian way. It would provide power for small generators and water pumps.
From my personal perspective, I could probably get an Austrian scientist working in Germany to work with me on an atmospheric chemistry
experiment. The problem with that is that I'm not a scientist. Should I care why CO2 is responsible for the ozone layer recovering? I'm not a
scientist.
The image shows what using a drum allows for as far as the motion of weights goes. The black becomes half black after 45º of rotation.
Everything is color coded to show direction. If you consider a weight moves to bottom center, that weight moves away from it. A slight
overbalance is realized. But when the black moves to half black, a lot of torque is generated. And if you look at the weights at 9:00 and at
6:00, they are the same distance from the top right of the 1/4 drum.
Next week if I want I'll be able t do the testing. But should I come before Bessler? And that might need to happen. That could work to
Bessler's favor because people would be wanting to know who I think did better.
I've become fairly fluent in Old Latin,
Bessler is clear in what he is saying.
Our definition of "perpetual motion" is not anywhere to be found
The weights keep his devices running like a grandfather clock.
In others, its a heavy flywheel that must be spun up, etc.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 05, 2022, 07:56:27 PM
I've become fairly fluent in Old Latin,
Bessler is clear in what he is saying.
Our definition of "perpetual motion" is not anywhere to be found
The weights keep his devices running like a grandfather clock.
In others, its a heavy flywheel that must be spun up, etc.
This is where people will probably need to become familiar with how grandfather clocks and flywheels work.
Then how can the 2 different things be made to be similar. And then they can look at what I'm working on.
Since Bessler built windmills, like a water wheel, they could be considered a flywheel. I don't think that term
was around 300 years ago but a grindstone is the same thing.
And with the windmill, my test using 4 arms/weights. https://youtu.be/RZcu-8J0Lqk
And who knows, like me he might've worked through the progression of how to use a disc (drum in his words IMO).
If you watch my video of the 4 weight test that I posted a link to, consider why the weight wheel assembly is
moving up the arm when it's not being pulled up or lifted.
With the 1st drawing, bratenroender means roaster. So the device is actually called Wagner's Roaster.
I've considered the possibility that Wagner was who made the clock components for the grandfather clocks that Bessler
built. And with such gears as in Bessler's drawing, those are similar to what would be found in a grandfather clock.
The attached image is a basic description. With an actual grandfather clock, multiple sets of gears might be used. And
yet it was Wagner who called Bessler a fraud.
This is page 3 of the book https://objects.library.uu.nl/reader/index.php?obj=1874-206158&lan=en&_ga=2.172428714.880806695.1594795323-938448423.1594186832#page//72/81/80/72818089194164649276751789453749478319.jpg/mode/1up
It will be a lot of work but considering the time it will take to show a working wheel if it is possible, I can at least start on it. And if anything interesting comes up I'll post it.
Pg 3
Translation of Johann Bessler's Book
The triumphant perpetual mobile Orffyreanum
to all
Deeds of Honor / Height (High?) Heads / Regents
and stands the belt / 2c.
?n native submission
xxxxxxx etfvanniger transaction presented /
and as a application remove from whose inventory
ORFFYREO
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roll man wonderful praise and babble openly
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and relocated from the inventory sieve(?) / by that it also advised already
self-bound to concerned is on the Wicked Weissenstein
I've got the tooling made so I can make some parts that I need for the weight wheels so things are progressing.
The 4 numbered arms are the only ones that will have weight wheels on them. If it rotates 45º with some momentum
left over then I can add dummy weights to the other 4 arms. And that will let me know if I will need for the weight
wheels to be heavier. By being methodical like this it gives the best chance for success.
And if all goes well then I'll need to work on the catch and release mechanism for the pulleys.
Apparently church didn't happen for my neighbor today. I can't use my router or jigsaw when she's home for obvious reasons.
Rain changing to snow is forecast for next Saturday. Things go better when I can work in my small shop. I have 2 designs I can
be working on (design drawings like the one I posted). One is the next generation of my current build and another concept
completely different. And this will also give me time to continue working on translations. The most difficult part is learning the
Old German alphabet and how they'll use consonants in a way not used in English.
At the bottom of the picture is an example of how the pulleys are mounted. With the pulleys, how they work together is the
outside pulley guides the line above the inside pulley in the clockwise direction. This is how the pendulum is shifted by the
radius of the retraction disc (drum). And with this being a prototype, It will allow me to better design the next build. This is
because I'll have an actual model to base the design on. And then this allows for putting the frame on a diet which consumes
energy as expressed by f = ma. this is the flywheel aspect which helps to determine its moment of inertia.
p.s., realized I need to move the location of the inside pulley mounts. That will be something I can do this week This is all a
part of developing a design. And with this modification, I might need only 1 mount with 2 hole locations in it. This then
simplifies the design. The original placement was to allow for space between both pulleys which might not be needed. It will
give a unique appearance which will mislead the observer as to what they're actually seeing. Why I will not explain why.
I do think this design can work. And if it takes a better build, then that will go more quickly. This is because all of the
developmental work will have been done for this size/dimension build. And if I do go that route then I'll also have some better
equipment/tools to work with. And then this would be an example for anyone who wants to do a build like this.
Do you still think that possible self-running using only one field of conservative forces, gravitational?
Work in a closed cycle in the field of conservative forces is zero.
I suppose in the device should be part of the system ,such as using the other form of energy, electrical, thermal, chemical, and so on.
Otherwise, we do not win symmetry. ;)
Quote from: kolbacict on January 10, 2022, 11:14:31 AM
Do you still think that possible self-running using only one field of conservative forces, gravitational?
Work in a closed cycle in the field of conservative forces is zero.
I suppose in the device should be part of the system ,such as using the other form of energy, electrical, thermal, chemical, and so on.
Otherwise, we do not win symmetry. ;)
If you watch this video closely https://youtu.be/RZcu-8J0Lqk, as the wheel rotates the weight wheel assembly moves closer to the axle.
There are 2 pulleys. One guides the line to the weight wheel assembly. The other pulley guides the line from the top right of the retraction
disc to the other pulley. As this second pulley moves further from the top right of the disc, the distance between the weight wheel
assembly and its pulley decreases. At the same time the overall length of the line remains the same.
At the moment I am thinking I will need to add more weight. The resistance of the axle bearings is IMO why in the video the wheel did not
rotate better. With the testing that I am getting ready to do, it will have 4 weight wheel assemblies. Then I'll be able to add dummy weights.
And this is where I'll be testing it in steps. I should be able to determine if it can work as designed. If so then I'll be able to finish the
building knowing what I'll need to do. And to paraphrase Bessler, his wheel sought a balance it could never find. And with this design, the way
the weights will be retracted allows for that possibility.
As this second pulley moves further from the top right of the disc, the distance between the weight wheel
assembly and its pulley decreases. At the same time the overall length of the line remains the same.,
As this second pulley moves further from the top right of the disc, the distance between the weight wheel
assembly and its pulley decreases. At the same time the overall length of the line remains the same...
Use ratched wheel
Hmm, now that I've thought about it, I'd say this was my first serious build (attached image).
But early versions were more like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLR0N542BCk
With a larger wheel it's easier to "see" what I'm doing. And if I'm off by 1/4 inch or 6 mm it's okay.
With the attached image, it's more for Bessler in a way because it has 2 levers that work together.
What got me to change how I go about building. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=935Ktoxw1fM
And now I do a lot of research and development.
With the 2nd link in the previous post (from previous post https://youtu.be/935Ktoxw1fM), the disc is 1/4 of a disc or drum.
If it rotated to lift the weight wheel assembly then it would be performing work which is work = mass x distance. But when
the arm can be seen accelerating and the weight wheel assembly moving inward, no work is being performed.
And yet it is obvious that the weight wheel is moving closer to the axle as it swings upward. With work = mass x distance,
the overall length of the line will need to change. And when the weight wheel is moving closer to the axle, the arm it is on
is moving away from the fulcrum. This work is caused by the overbalance on the other side of the wheel. This allows for
resistance to continuously change the balance of the wheel as it rotates. And this is why the line from the weight wheel
assembly runs straight up the arm towards the axle. And the other pulley always maintains a right angle to the disc. With
something like this it helps if you like playing around with math like trigonometry and analytical trigonometry. And I have
spent a lot of time doing the math.
With the drawing, someone is swinging. Why showing a water wheel?
QuoteWhy showing a water wheel?
I don't know, but it really looks like it. :)
Quote from: kolbacict on January 11, 2022, 10:40:16 AM
I don't know, but it really looks like it. :)
The person swinging and that's how Bessler said his weights got their force. It's possible that
it's a pictograph. Swinging weights allows his wheel to work like a water wheel. This image shows
bellows. The only way they could create an overbalance is if filled with water like the buckets on
a water wheel. The mechanics that I am developing might work for this drawing as well.
I am making new weight wheels. And since what I can do at home is limited, it isn't always convenient.
Still, no one has proved Bessler ever built a working wheel. And with that said, I have no need to debate
my work. As an example, if a person doesn't understand what is in the image, is it because it can't work?
What is shown is math Bessler might have known. Can that math have a solution? It does take time to
learn something. Hopefully everyone understands that Pi/4 = (sqrt2/2, sqrt2/2) = sin or cos 45º. They're
all the same thing. And this is asking if people understand basic relationships when they see them.
I myself, am no Albert Einstein, but I try to follow his good example.
When Einstein published his book on relativity, I think perhaps two thirds
of that book is comprehensible to we the layman masses. That's pretty
damn good, when one considers the novelty, depth and profundity of the
subject matter.
Einstein was an excellent communicator. I think probably this was because he
worked hard at making sure that he was.
But also, I find that when someone really understands a subject, they are most
often, capable of communicating it in common language as did Einstein.
Mathematics is a language.
I can speak it to some small degree but am by no means fluent in it,
as for example
mathematicians are so fluent. I don't speak Cantonese at all. Get my drift here ?
Quote from: Floor on January 13, 2022, 11:46:20 AM
I myself, am no Albert Einstein, but I try to follow his good example.
When Einstein published his book on relativity, I think perhaps two thirds
of that book is comprehensible to we the layman masses. That's pretty
damn good, when one considers the novelty, depth and profundity of the
subject matter.
Einstein was an excellent communicator. I think probably this was because he
worked hard at making sure that he was.
But also, I find that when someone really understands a subject, they are most
often, capable of communicating it in common language as did Einstein.
Mathematics is a language.
I can speak it to some small degree but am by no means fluent in it,
as for example
mathematicians are so fluent. I don't speak Cantonese at all. Get my drift here ?
I think it's easy enough to say that light bends twice as much as matter does because it interacts equally with space and time.
That is right and wrong at the same time. This gets into conservation of momentum/energy as does Bessler's wheel.
With Bessler's wheel, resistance will not let the wheel find a balance. With your previous post, question #2, an unbalanced wheel
will continue rotating. Bessler's wheel is the more complicated design just as the pendulum is. Just as a pendulum cannot move
away from its fulcrum neither can a weight wheel move further from its fulcrum. Bessler did use a dog and its dog house/leash as
a reference. Don't be insulted by this because it's like in the movie The Matrix where the spoon doesn't bend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI
Why does this matter? The arm the wheel is moving up is moving away from the weight wheel. The weight wheel is doing nothing.
https://youtu.be/RZcu-8J0Lqk When you see the weight wheel assembly moving up the arm, it's not moving but the arm is.
Work is mass x distance. The line the weight wheel assembly is attached to is always the same length. That line is performing no
work. How do I get someone to understand that? You've been taught that when the weight wheel is moving up the arm that it is
being lifted. Bessler did say that his drum lifts the weights. And the disc is lifting the weight. But not because it is rotating but
because the wheel is rotating.
p.s., I have been pursuing an experiment in atmospheric chemistry and physics. A lot of people know calculus far better than I will,
but then I'll be able to understand concepts they don't. It's like in the video, the arm is moving away from the weight wheel. With me,
I understand that a tether ball hits the pole because the pole shortens the length of the line as it wraps itself around the pole. Yet no
work is being performed. This is because the length of the line doesn't change. It's resistance that negates inertia. And I've found
people don't understand this.
@All, With this example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBM4i3xfQRA if the hoist is the disc on Bessler's wheel
or is the pole a tether ball wraps around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zMhLDIFJ4
With the hoist, work is being performed to rotate it. With the disc on Bessler's wheel just as with the pole for tether ball,
the weight wheel and the ball are being rotated by another force.
With the tether ball, a person is hitting it. With Bessler's wheel, a weight is swinging downward. It does take time to
become familiar with a new concept. And even with a working wheel some people still might say fraud.
And what gets old is someone saying, why do you make it so complicated for? After all, I consider that conserving the Earth's
gravitational heat content as mechanical energy is an accurate description. The issues with that is that gravity has no energy
so ergo, it has no heat content. No one has ever proven perpetual motion is possible. So why would someone assume it's
that simple? Still, with the tether ball, neither the pole or the line is doing any work. And yet people will say that's wrong as well.
And it doesn't get much simpler than a child's game. That might be why Bessler mentioned a spinning top for. That is a possibility.
I'm not going to post in here anymore. As Floor said, you guys aren't Einstein. Was Bessler? Newton and Leibniz started on calculus
about the time Bessler was born so Bessler probably would've known trigonometry. Today that's 8th or 9th grade math. And to suggest
that there is nothing about a working wheel that takes time to understand is insulting me because of the time that I've spent learning
about Bessler's work.
And yet once again both AB Hammer and rlortie put everything in layman's terms. Perpetual motion isn't possible because a weight
can't lift itself. That's just not possible. And with converting energy from one form to another, there are no rules as long as it works.
Examples of free energy devices;
1; a solar panel
2; a wind turbine
3; a hydroelectric dam/water wheel
4; the Atmos clock
None of those 4 things produce their own energy but conserve energy from another source. And with the water wheel, is it perpetual as long
as water keeps flowing over it? The Colorado River has flowed for over 60 million years. ie., perpetual motion isn't possible but free energy is.
With math, there are trig tables and calculators online. If someone cannot understand the force that a weight has relative to its position
around an axis, use a trig calculator. And if that's too complicated then I'm being kept from enjoying my hobby. And I should be allowed to
enjoy the time and effort that I've been putting into something.
And if a person doesn't have time for something like that, then there is no simple explanation.
You guys will need to understand that I took the time to refresh math I had forgotten and to learn math I didn't know to help me
better understand my work on Bessler's wheel. It is a lot of work. And with the pendulum, there are no magic words. And the one
constant that I've heard in forums over the years is "we don't do math". Then you can't expect to know how energy can be
conserved. But when one of you guys have an idea that you like, you might consider the math.
Quote from: Johnsmith on January 13, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
As Floor said, you guys aren't Einstein.
Not what I said, especially in the context as you have used it.
But...
as you also said...
Quote from: Johnsmith on January 13, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
I'm not going to post in here anymore.
Cool, have a nice trip
This link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6p2S01II-6I2j46qVXnHXg
is to my YouTube channel. I have ordered a video camera so I'll be able to make better videos.
Then I'll be able to zoom in to show details.
And as for Bessler's wheel, it's okay if people don't have the time to learn why it works. If a
person isn't interested in building one then why it works is because energy can be conserved.
The Moon orbiting the Earth is an example of conserved energy. After this, it becomes
complicated. Why no one has replicated Bessler's work in over 300 years.
And after this will probably be another $120 for lead. More weight means more torque.
It is an expensive project. At the same time I can calculate the Moon and the Earth orbiting
each other and then around the Sun. That's applying Newton's gravity in astrophysics. Newton's
work on gravity is actually basic astrophysics. The math is in the attached image. Bessler was 7
when Newton wrote his En Principia so he might've been aware of it. It was the "new" math and
radical thinking back in the day.
As to why the Moon orbits the Earth, Einstein said that space is warped by a gravitational
field. Newton's work is a generalization so to speak.
As for perpetual motion, it is impossible. Conserving energy is what happens inside the universe.
If you consider the Earth and the Moon, their union is gravity which they both have. Then they become the set
Earth union Moon. Then when you consider the Sun, their relationships becomes (Earth union Moon) union Sun.
This is because the set Earth union Moon orbits the set Sun. And then we have the basis for our solar system.
After this it can be considered that the set Earth union Moon wobbles because of how they affect each other
because of their union gravity and their linear velocities. With celestial bodies, the spin on their axis is angular
momentum while their velocity through space is linear momentum. And then because the Sun is moving through
space, the set Earth union Moon's orbit around it is elliptical.
Maybe understanding what we know works will help you guys to understand what isn't known? And with what
I'm working on, it will be slow going. It's just that if it works then it will take time for it to become known as well.
Why my going slow now will make a difference if it works. I won't expect it to become known right away. And with
what I've mentioned in this post is what might have helped me to consider the math and mechanics behind Bessler's Wheel.
Now, if you could build a Bessler wheel the size of half the distance to the moon. It would spin.
Because two dispersed masses. And on the surface of the earth, we with a small wheel have only
a gravitational field of conservative force.
Quote from: kolbacict on January 15, 2022, 09:40:02 AM
Now, if you could build a Bessler wheel the size of half the distance to the moon. It would spin.
Because two dispersed masses. And on the surface of the earth, we with a small wheel have only
a gravitational field of conservative force.
It seems that I was right about you. What does gravity being a conservative force mean? Whose
force is it conserving? As you said, if I'd only put it in layman's terms then everyone would find out
that there's nothing difficult about it, no learning required.
With "gravity is a conservative force", I've heard that for a decade and those people cannot explain what
it means. At the same time I know what gravity is and what it is relative to. I can do the math. And I find
that helps.
I do have a lot of work to do on my build. It is going well but I have a lot parts to finish making. I want to
have it built so that I'll only need to make for more weight wheel assemblies and add more weight. And you
have shown where my discussing my work isn't a good idea. I've had to tolerate skeptics like you in here
and at besslerwheel.com. I just find it strange that people will spend time in a perpetual motion forum but
will have no interest in understanding what can allow for it.
p.s., if I get the work done that I'm doing, then with my next video I'll be able to mention it as it will allow me
to do testing of an actual wheel to find out if it can actually work. This gets into more math because more
weight means more dead weight while increasing the amount of torque generated by its overbalance. The
resistance in the bearings won't change much if I add several hundred pounds of weight to the wheel. That's
why bearings don't overheat when an axle is rotating at several thousand rpm. I've worked with such
equipment before which is why I know that.
p.s.s., I let a guy имя Сергей Я буду работать с ему. But first I need to show my work. It's just that his girlfriend
posted something to me in English about his work. She reminded me of Mt 67. Still, for what they're "on" about, I
already have a design in mind. And what they don't understand is that we'll need to be co-inventors. While it will
work, why give a business a free product? As for my Russian, o его, его oчень плохо.
I'll probably only finish a 1/4 section (allows for 2 working weight wheel assemblies to move) for now. It s a lot of
work which also includes pouring new weights. The 2 pictures are of how I make my own pulleys and how they are
mounted. And since I am handicapped, etc., plan on taking things slow.
If what I'm doing works, I might destroy my build and walk away from this (Bessler did). It is that toxic of a subject
and once I can have surgery, I'll have no need for it.
One person was even telling everyone that I killed someone and then to hear ad nauseum "gravity is a conservative
force" like it means something. Yet no one can do basic math. That's basically how cause and effect can be considered.
This is where I think even with a working wheel a lot of people will say fraud. As my "killer" accuser said, they had to
protect their credibility.
And as far as this goes, can I discuss it with anyone? I can't. Who needs that in their life? Nobody I know.
Once I have it mostly completed, maybe still needing the weights to be poured I'll make a quick video using my phone.
Then I can be ready for when I get my new video camera and make a decent video.
QuoteThis is where I think even with a working wheel a lot of people will say fraud.
Without a doubt. They are such people ... I know it by myself experience. :)
QuoteWho needs that in their life? Nobody I know.
I know one such person. This is me. ;)
conservative forces when work in a circle, when we return to the starting point is zero. It seems so?
And when there are two separate masses,
moon and earth, it is really possible to get a profit there.
And I think people have been using it for a long time.
Tidal power plants, for example.
Quote from: kolbacict on January 17, 2022, 01:47:45 AM
Without a doubt. They are such people ... I know it by myself experience. :)I know one such person. This is me. ;)
conservative forces when work in a circle, when we return to the starting point is zero. It seems so?
And when there are two separate masses,
moon and earth, it is really possible to get a profit there.
And I think people have been using it for a long time.
Tidal power plants, for example.
conservative forces when work in a circle, when we return to the starting point is zero.
Okay. With gravity, I consider it a directional energy flow. And as you mentioned about wave/tide generators, strong and weak gravity
fields.
With what I am building, it is going well. The 2 lines show how the retraction lines will cross. This is important to understand. This is
because when the line goes from the larger pulley to the retraction disc, it needs to be at 90º to the axle. This allows the retraction
line to maintain its relationship parallel to how the weight wheel assembly moves up the arm.
I will be able to set it up to do some testing but will need to get different lag screws to cut for the pulley axles. That's not an issue as
it will be next month when I can make the other 4 weight wheel assemblies. For basic testing I'll freeze water in bottles. This will provide
the extra weight/mass needed to see how well the wheel will rotate with 8 weight wheels on it. And then if it can't rotate 45º, more math
will need to be done.
Why 45º? After every 45º of rotation a weight wheel will roll out while the weight wheels in the bottom left will move inward on their
respective arms. And if the wheel rotates 45º then it could work when it is finished. At the same time, it would rotate more quickly if I add
2 lbs./1 kg per weight wheel. And after that if it still doesn't work, I'll build an easier to understand perpetual motion machine.
p.s., The way the retraction lines will be connected to 2 fulcrums some people will find confusing. Yet this is necessary if it is to work.
A couple of fotos showing how I am building my weight wheels. A rectangular weight will go on the inside. I had made some spacers out
of a round oak dowel and will need to find them. While the weight wheel is off from one side to the next, this is a prototype so that's okay.
If it works then a better wheel can be built or this one can be overhauled or both.
And if I need to add more weight, another round weight can be placed behind the weight with the wood square in the middle. The way I
am building it will allow for that.
At the moment I'm making spacers out of oak for my weight wheels. I'm also ready to start pouring new lead weights.
Nylon bushings can be a bit expensive and I have the time. I have enough pulleys on the wheel for testing. And my camera
is about to be shipped. I'll finish placing the round dowels for the pulleys. I usually have to hand sand their locations so
they'll fit. I'll probably need to buy more lag bolts. They have a smooth shank which I use for the pulleys to ride on. I
should've bought longer ones.
And since I do have my own build that I'm working on, with the 2 oscillation/Malkovic pendulum, maybe thx4 or kolbacist
will consider it? I'll be showing 2 different ways that might work. One will use gears while the other will use pulleys and leverage.
p.s., with the block that is clamped down, when on its narrow edge, I can saw the spacers. Then when it's lying flat, I can drill them.
I do have a miter saw and a drill press, I also have a neighbor as well so I do need to be quiet.
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Thnaks kb.
With some of the work that I've been doing, how the wheel rolls on the arm. I'll need to make some adjustments
but have time. With the weight wheel, I had to file down the lead blanks so they'd fit. I need to get me a table saw
and a router table. Maybe in the next month or 2.
And next week I should be posting a video of testing this concept. I might do 3 different tests. In the video I would
explain why each one matters or how they work together to show what I'm doing.
I've got all of the weights seated in their frames. I should have my camera tomorrow. This means that
I should be able to make some videos this weekend which I can edit into 1 video. It would show why
45º of rotation have the weights shift so the sequence can be repeated.
And with that, also a test showing how 2 overbalanced can rotate 2 other weight wheels. That would
show where torque is being generated, After that, tests would be to determine how much weight on
each weight wheel would be needed to rotate a complete wheel. I know it is slow going but this is to
ensure that each step leads towards a working wheel which is the ultimate goal.
I got my camera today and I'm looking forward to making my next video. My local library has Apple computers with Final Cut Pro 10.
I've got a decent amount of experience using their software. I will try to explain why I think this is Bessler's wheel and why I think it will work.
With what Bessler said;
Around the firmly placed horizontal axis is a rotating disc (low or narrow cylinder) which resembles a grindstone. This disc can be called the principle piece of my machine. Accordingly, this wheel consists of an external wheel (or drum) for raising weights which is covered with stretched linen.
https://besslerwheel.com/writings/das_triumphans.html
The disc that I am using to lift weights with is a 1/4 section of a round drum. Instead of the drum rotating, the wheel does. And this causes a line
to wrap around the 1/4 drum section in the same way it would if the 1/4 drum section were rotating. And this is where "free energy" comes from.
Because no work is being used to lift the weight closer to the axle, it decreases counter-torque. And this is what I plan on demonstrating.
With the 3 drawings, the line is wrapping around the green part of the drum as the wheel rotates. The weight that has moved towards the axle is
still the same distance from the top right corner of the green area. And with where the line goes towards the bottom of the green area, it is
maintaining a right angle to the axle of the wheel. This is a necessary relationship that needs to be maintained. When the wheel is rotated 45º
(2nd image), that same relationship exists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XfSe_LAFA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XfSe_LAFA)
Has english subtitles.
About how the boy found a way out of what seemed like a hopeless situation. :)
Quote from: kolbacict on January 23, 2022, 07:41:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XfSe_LAFA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XfSe_LAFA)
Has english subtitles.
About how the boy found a way out of what seemed like a hopeless situation. :)
In a way the King in the video is like a group of people who controlled this forum and besslerwheel.com. They
would say you don't know how perpetual motion works. And if the reply was "I am working at it" then they would
say prove it to me.
There are ways that conservation of energy is possible but they needed it to be called "perpetual motion". And
with the situation that I am working through, I needed to be able to work with someone. But now I have a room
where I can build.
I think though in a way Tsars could be replaced with scientists who want to laugh at people pursing a way to conserve
energy. The basic mistake that scientists have made is saying that while gravity is a force it has no energy. And this is
why they say the Earth's gravity cannot be conserved. Conservation of energy requires something to have energy.
If gravity has no energy then it cannot be conserved. Since f = ma which suggests that gravity has energy. But energy
would be considered as KE (kinetic energy) = 1/2mv^2. This would be to suggest that space has mass.
From here we jump to why light bends more when passing by the Sun than an asteroid or other celestial body does
than what Newton's gravity allows for. Since light interacts equally with space and time, what space is it interacting with?
And now we can wonder, does gravity have energy which we observe as force? If so, can it be conserved?
p.s., A historical fact. And guys even kolbacict might not know this. The city of Yekaterinburg, Russia was founded by a man
from France and a Russian. In the 1800's Russia basically stopped at Perm so 2 guys traveled across the Ural Mountains to
avoid paying taxes to the Tsar. Yekaterinburg as a result became a center from processing ore.
Now you guys can wonder how does someone living in Kentucky, USA know this?
This link shows how torque is generated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-3MqrU8bTg
This link is to a test with 4 weight wheels and 8 total weights on the wheel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkdhPM-hMdQ
And today when moving everything around, I accidentally knocked my computer over.
For it to break that easily kind of shows that it was old. Since it has an SSDI hard drive,
I'm hoping that is okay. I'm now using an old All In One. I guess next will be a new tower.
As for building, I'm going to put that on hold for a while. There are a couple of reasons for this.
I'll need to modify my current build to try roller bearings. The bearings I am using are spherical
bearings. Might make a difference. Also, I can add more weight onto the weight wheels and
other locations to see if it's ability to rotate faster happens.
And with what I've shown, the bearings might need more lubricant. Basically it is where fine
tuning it will be the best use of my time. And since I need to develop a catch and release
mechanism that will release the line retracting the weight that's to the left of the axle, I've
already started on a couple of designs.
At the same time, for the work that I've put into it, I deserve a break from it. Then I'll realize
that there's not much left to do as far as what steps I need to take. That helps to simplify things.
p.s., you guys ever think that someone might show something that could actually work? And if
my build works, then when people say it isn't possible, it has been since Bessler's time.
@thx4, you and Robinhood46 can consider this work. I've done a lot of math over they years and now write
my own spreadsheets. I am an asshole that way. Math can point the way and now that it has for me, I'll
just do some trial and error (more research and development) to see what happens.
I did see your post and Robinhood can consider the work that I'm showing. As for me, I do like my most recent efforts.
I just need to recover from having done it for now. It is different.
p.s.s., Bessler did say 60 rpm. Have any of you seen a motion like this before? It was said that some of his wheels needed a push.
This could be one such wheel. This is what pursuing an idea requires. And understanding of each step. This is how goals are realized.
QuoteIn a way the King in the video is like a group of people who controlled this forum and besslerwheel.com.
:D
Well.And it came to my mind that the boy
put the king in such conditions that he would say this, or say differently, a hopeless situation.
Unstable position. No balance. No way to catch the balance. Like the Bessler wheel, in order
for it to turn, it does not have to find a point of equilibrium. This movie was not just offtopic.
Why does it work with information but not in the physical world ? ;)
Quote from: kolbacict on January 24, 2022, 03:07:25 AM
:D
Well.And it came to my mind that the boy
put the king in such conditions that he would say this, or say differently, a hopeless situation.
Unstable position. No balance. No way to catch the balance. Like the Bessler wheel, in order
for it to turn, it does not have to find a point of equilibrium. This movie was not just offtopic.
Why does it work with information but not in the physical world ? ;)
It is premature to say it can't work when the 2nd video showed it might. Bessler had one wheel which
needed a push to get it rotating. This is where being familiar with what Bessler wrote or what witnesses
described is helpful to remember.
What people need to consider when watching both videos is f = ma. Newton published his book
En Principia when Bessler was 7 years old. It is possible that Bessler was familiar with it because Bessler
was aware of Gottfried Leibniz. Liebniz and Newton co-invented calculus. So Bessler was probably aware
of both the math and science of his day.
This is where when I am ready I can go to my local library and use their computer to find out the frame
rate at which each video turned. Then I'll know if f = ma describes the motion of both tests. That would
be the next logical step.
Quote from: kolbacict on January 24, 2022, 03:07:25 AM
:D
Well.And it came to my mind that the boy
put the king in such conditions that he would say this, or say differently, a hopeless situation.
Unstable position. No balance. No way to catch the balance. Like the Bessler wheel, in order
for it to turn, it does not have to find a point of equilibrium. This movie was not just offtopic.
Why does it work with information but not in the physical world ? ;)
Your children's story is off topic. It explained why the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 was considered as being necessary.
And as I said, it might work as it is if I finish the build. Watch it at the 1:30 time, with a little moment before the level of
the axle the wheel is stopped by the retraction line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkdhPM-hMdQ
I will consider that you do not understand how to develop an idea. With using 2 weight wheels to see how much torque
is generated, I can compare that f = ma with 8 weights. The f would be the torque generated by an overbalanced weight
wheel. Then does mass x acceleration of the 6 other weight wheels agrees with what 2 weight wheels caused?
If so then I can add more weight to 2 weight wheels and then do another acceleration/torque test. If that accelerates
faster, then when adding 6 more weights, how fast would the same relationship allow for? It is possible that because the
weight of the weight wheels would all have the same ratio, there might be no increase in how quickly the wheel rotates.
Since I am using spherical bearings, will roller bearings have less resistance? And that is what I should find out next. As
you can tell, a spherical bearing has a lot of surface area. That might create more resistance than a roller bearing would.
QuoteYour children's story is off topic. It explained why the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 was necessary.The government then could share the wealth of the country with the people. These guys probably don't know that it was about justifying communism.
I agree. There is such a moment. But I would not focus on this. I meant something else.
Mind games, resourcefulness and logic. And i have saw in this some indirect connection
with Bessler's self-running wheel. :)
QuoteI think you should understand the principles that I am using but you know nothing of them.
You're right. I don't understand how this can work.
But I understand that I have to do something. This or other.
I still think that the electrical part should be added to this circuit.
As a carrier of energy from one part of the device to another. Bypassing gravity...
Quote from: kolbacict on January 24, 2022, 11:19:04 AM
I agree. There is such a moment. But I would not focus on this. I meant something else.
Mind games, resourcefulness and logic. And i have saw in this some indirect connection
with Bessler's self-running wheel. :)You're right. I don't understand how this can work.
But I understand that I have to do something. This or other.
I still think that the electrical part should be added to this circuit.
As a carrier of energy from one part of the device to another. Bypassing gravity...
If you need something to do, maybe you could think about why the weight wheel moves closer
to the axle of the wheel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-3MqrU8bTg
And it is accelerating when it is doing so. This shows that it is not using energy to move towards
the axle. It is the interaction between those 2 weight wheels that cause the wheel to rotate.
I'll be starting work on the design for my fail safe. I'll most likely have someone else build it. It will
be easy enough to work. Then I can have my surgery. Then I will be in a better situation for working
on what I showed you. Between now and when that happens, I might do some more work on it. One
of the reasons for the videos was to show my subscribers on YouTube what it is that I've been
working at so they'd better understand it.
With my personal situation, I am handicapped/disabled for a reason. And this can help me to change
that and have a life.
p.s., with Bessler's clues, there are 2 that would suggest I can do 2 different things with this build. But
doing both things on the same wheel wouldn't help a wheel to work better. And this creates more that
needs to be done. And with the simple idea that I have, it would ensure success.
With the 2 clues, one is using springs and latches. Gravity would compress the spring and then when the weight wheel
would need to roll out, release the latch and then the spring will push it outward. That would be a lot of work.
The 2nd clue is also a lot of work but if it works as what I've done works, then a 60 rpm wheel would be possible. This
creates a problem of sorts. A slow rotating wheel wouldn't be that interesting but would be a part of Bessler's work.
I can start working on the faster wheel while I'm pursuing my "sure thing". And this means that I'll be busy designing for
a while. After all, I can't ask wood workers for bids if I don't have a design for them to consider. And with my current
wheel, can its frame be adapted? I think so but that will be even more work. I've been aware of this for a long time.
And this could easily take until April or longer. And this is where I need to slow down. Things will go better that way.
And thx4, if you want, I'll be able to show some more design work on the pendulum if you and Robinhood like.
This cartoon was made in the Soviet Union, when it was impossible otherwise.
You don't have to pay attention to it. I just wanted to say that if we were as
resourceful as that boy, we would have had a perpetual motion machine by now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XfSe_LAFA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XfSe_LAFA) :)
Quote from: kolbacict on January 25, 2022, 12:41:30 AM
This cartoon was made in the Soviet Union, when it was impossible otherwise.
You don't have to pay attention to it. I just wanted to say that if we were as
resourceful as that boy, we would have had a perpetual motion machine by now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XfSe_LAFA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XfSe_LAFA) :)
That is what has been so frustrating about this forum and besslerwheel.com, they have aggressive people in
the other forum. This forum used to be as bad. People who were willing to try were openly ridiculed. And what
some said was that as private builders, they can tell you how to work. Then if someone who did work and was
successful, the private builder would get credit for teaching how to build for them.
That is not working together. If people work together then credit should be shared. An example would be like the
2 oscillation pendulum, if thx4 and Robinhood like my design, build it and it works, then we would need to
share credit. In the U.S., that would be considered as socialism which is considered like communism. It is not
capitalism.
With what I am working on, I have realized what it is that I need to know. I will need to make the frame into an
actual wheel. Then with the 4 weight wheels that I have, if what I know is correct (if = если или можть быть)
when it might need a push to work. Когда Я вишаль Береа, Кентукий, УСА Я начинаю Русский яазыке. I
wasn't from Berea like my mother so to socialize with people I learned some Russian and then back to
perpetual motion.
I think with different descriptions of Bessler's wheel that different wheels are being described. And while I
could pursue all of his clues, those can come after demonstrating a working wheel. And this would be using
the 4 weight wheels that I have. Then if that works, I'll be able to pursue a show that I want to do in Utrecht,
Netherlands because they have this book I've posted a link to before;
https://www.uu.nl/en/utrecht-university-library-special-collections/collections/early-printed-books/scientific-works/das-triumphirende-perpetuum-mobile-orffyreanum-by-johann-bessler
In a couple of weeks I'll be able to demonstrate what could allow for a 4 weighted wheel to work. I would only
be demonstrating the mechanics because I'd be using this wheel to demonstrate the mechanics. Then everyone would know what
I am building; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_aUN2hWyMs
Do you intend to build a self running device ?
What is the basic principle ?
Why might it produce energy ?
I wont criticize you if you say that you don't know.
Quote from: Floor on January 26, 2022, 03:56:00 AM
Do you intend to build a self running device ?
What is the basic principle ?
Why might it produce energy ?
I wont criticize you if you say that you don't know.
In the most simplistic, basic terms that I can think of;
The retraction disc creates what is known as "ersazt" gravity. Ersatz means not genuine. And then like the Moon
orbiting the Earth at night, it moves closer to the Earth. This shows the Sun's gravitational effect on it. And like Bessler's
wheel, when a weight is orbiting both the retraction disc (what Bessler called a drum) and then the wheel, it is drawn
closer to the 2 bodies it is orbiting around.
And when the Moon is between the Sun and the Moon, it is further from the Earth. And with Bessler's wheel, when a weight
is orbiting the retraction disc (what Bessler called a drum) it is closer to the center of its orbit.
I'm not sure why you don't understand so basic as to why the Moon and the Earth have their unique wobbly orbit around the
Sun when F = G(M1M2/r^2) explains it in simple to understand terms.
Basically if someone has taken the time to learn algebra, trigonometry and geometry as well as maybe rebuilding an engine
and working a lot with mechanics, they might understand that the weight wheel does not resist the motion of its arm. This
is because as the wheel rotates the retraction lines maintain a 90° relationship to the retraction disc and the axle of the
wheel. What Bessler did was shift the pendulum so it would swing from the axle of the wheel. To someone like you it is
known as magic. And basically, I've done the math.
p.s., your sarcasm is duly noted as you've spent no time learning anything about this. And it kind of shows
that you're not familiar with math, mechanics or science. The question is Can you keep up? And I know you can't.
Your word games show what you know.
In modern terms this "ersazt" is what we call a pseudo force.
When you understand that while centrifugal force appears to be an outward force on
a mass when it is rotated, but that it is in reality, simply the inertia of a mass acting in
accordance with its tenancy to remain in motion in a straight line, you'll have a start.
Go ahead and study up on your basic physics a little more. You'll get it eventually ?
I studied Trig, only in recent years and I don't much care for it, although
it is really good for / facilitates rapid calculations / is a good short cut.
Unfortunately...
It tends to obscure what is otherwise a basis for understanding ratios,
proportion and other things. Things which ( I believe) only a deep immersion in and
contemplation of, geometry and algebra can adequately give.
It seem that you have learned a few of the these things by rote. Unfortunately
this tends to make even a mediocre mind seem more capable than it really is.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
"I am working towards realizing perpetual motion and proving that Bessler was successful"
That is one of the questions answered / one down.
I am glad you are building, experimenting and learning. Me to.
Keep at it, maybe your success is just around the corner.
P.S.
If you don't enjoy being talked down to (my point being), then I suggest that you
do less of it your self.
best wishes
floor
' ' ' '
Quote from: Floor on January 26, 2022, 12:39:00 PM
When you understand that while centrifugal force appears to be an outward force on
a mass when it is rotated, but that it is in reality, simply the inertia of a mass acting in
accordance with its tenancy to remain in motion in a straight line, you'll have a start.
best wishes
floor
You didn't understand the mechanics. Centrifugal force has nothing to do with this project.
To be petty, it is centripetal force that you're talking about. Centrifugal force is a rotating impeller pumping water or fuel oil.
Centrifugal force is also used to purify oil in something like a De Laval oil purifier. That force creates
centripetal force in both oil molecules and particles which are impurities. Haven't you ever worked
with such equipment before?
Basically centrifugal force is something spinning or rotating. When that force accelerates
something in a circular motion then that something has centripetal force. When gravity accelerates a pendulum or
a person hitting a tether ball accelerates it then there is no centrifugal force.
Feel better?
"Centrifugal force is the apparent force, equal and opposite to centripetal force".
They much like unto Newton's action and reaction co-define one another.
I am more certain now than even before. You have no understanding of what
you are talking about. Half of what you say has no meaning. Not only this
but you reveal a decide lack of integrity on your part. It's no wonder
(as you have previously stated) that you are disliked and end up in petty quarrels
on these forums. It is you that does not understand the mechanics.
You should keep to your word and stop positng in your topic, as you previously
stated that you would. At least until such time as you have learned how to
communicate.
Floor
Quote"Centrifugal force is the apparent force, equal and opposite to centripetal force".
They much like unto Newton's action and reaction co-define one another.
I am more certain now than even before. You have no understanding of what
you are talking about. Half of what you say has no meaning.
It's debatable...
In fact almost every Nobel prize winner and successful inventor was told
1)there crazy
2)they didn't understand what they were talking about
3)they would never amount to anything
However it was the average person who proclaimed to know everything but never succeeded at anything remarkable who were obviously mistaken. Hence the term "average", the usual or ordinary kind or quality.
I find it a little strange how so many today seem to revel in there own mediocrity as if it were a virtue. How can blindly following along like a sheep and mimicking what everyone else does be a virtue?. I suppose it's well enough if we never want to accomplish anything remarkable however the moment we did then obviously we wouldn't be average or normal.
So in a sense when a person implies we should be just like them or normal what there really saying is they want us to fail just like them to make themselves feel better. I mean if anyone here was actually normal then they wouldn't be here... so were in good company.
Regards
AC
Quote from: Floor on January 26, 2022, 04:21:29 PM
"Centrifugal force is the apparent force, equal and opposite to centripetal force".
They much like unto Newton's action and reaction co-define one another.
I am more certain now than even before. You have no understanding of what
you are talking about. Half of what you say has no meaning. Not only this
but you reveal a decide lack of integrity on your part. It's no wonder
(as you have previously stated) that you are disliked and end up in petty quarrels
on these forums. It is you that does not understand the mechanics.
You should keep to your word and stop positng in your topic, as you previously
stated that you would. At least until such time as you have learned how to
communicate.
You sound like AB Hammer. And he has used aliases before. If I understand correctly, you don't want me
posting in this forum because I make you look bad. You understand that an opinion is valid but math isn't.
And what AB Hammer said, the keel effect he promoted said that perpetual motion was impossible. Yep,
and he was harassing me when I had cancer.
https://overunity.com/6900/my-current-build/msg162524/#msg162524
And when I had severe complications from cancer. He liked getting me banned from forums. Yet he's never been banned
for attacking me when making wild claims.
https://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4656
And his work; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2XTzFZpYK0
And yet that's what people like. What you say floor is about all I've heard in here or at besslerwheel.com. Anybody who
works at something gets ran off.
And this is John Collins granddaughter; https://www.tiktok.com/@amyepohl
John Collins wrote a book about Bessler that is usually referenced because of translations that he paid for. Yet he is okay
with my being attacked for working through severe medical hardship. I doubt he'd support anyone attacking his granddaughter.
John is apart of orpheus.org which owns besslerwheel.com. Yet attacking someone who has multiple disabilities and handicaps is okay.
And that's because I actually work at realizing Bessler's wheel so I can have surgery. And anymore as you've shown, that's all I can consider
and nothing to do with discussing my work with other people.
It's okay, I'm close enough to being finished, a couple of months, you just reminded me why I've been working offline except for youtube.
Johnsmith
QuoteAnd when I had severe complications from cancer. He liked getting me banned from forums. Yet he's never been banned
for attacking me when making wild claims.
https://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4656
And his work; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2XTzFZpYK0
And yet that's what people like. What you say floor is about all I've heard in here or at besslerwheel.com. Anybody who
works at something gets ran off.
Indeed that would seem to be the standard operating procedure...
Many are relentless in there criticism gaslighting others then when they receive criticism they feign incredulity and whine that they are the victims. Even more bizarre is the circular reasoning they use that there way must always be right despite the fact they have never succeeded. How can one claim to be more right but always be equally wrong in never producing positive results?.
In my opinion you have done and shown an incredible amount of work on this technology. More than anyone here that I know of lately, keep up the good work.
Regards
AC
Johnsmith you are relentless in your criticism, gaslighting others, then when you receive criticism you feign incredulity and whine that you are a victim. Even more bizarre is the circular reasoning you use that your way must always be right despite the fact you have never succeeded. How can one claim to be more right but always be equally wrong in never producing positive results?.
In my opinion you have done and shown an incredible amount of work on this technology.
More than anyone here that I know of lately, keep up the good work.
But still, next time you feel like putting words in my mouth or quoting me out of context
in such a manner as to make it appear as though I have a low opinion of the general
membership here at the O.U. forum, be prepared to pay the piper. MO FO. Because we
have some of the best and brightest on board here, deeply into mathematics or
otherwise. I have a low tolerance for elitism.
Quote from: onepower on January 26, 2022, 05:48:27 PM
Johnsmith
Indeed that would seem to be the standard operating procedure...
Many are relentless in there criticism gaslighting others then when they receive criticism they feign incredulity and whine that they are the victims. Even more bizarre is the circular reasoning they use that there way must always be right despite the fact they have never succeeded. How can one claim to be more right but always be equally wrong in never producing positive results?.
In my opinion you have done and shown an incredible amount of work on this technology. More than anyone here that I know of lately, keep up the good work.
Regards
AC
I think I'll stay out of this forum. Floor is right. And I saw tonight posts from a few years ago where people thought the moderator was doing a poor job because of the amount of trolling that was allowed. It's because perpetual motion is impossible unless you consider the universe itself. I'll be making a video in a couple of weeks and it will show more of what I'm doing. This will be a part of it https://youtu.be/7PBSzdEFnb0
Bessler said that as one weight moved away from the axle that another weight moved towards it. I guess forums are like church, who's been going there the longest and has gotten people to like them. It's just that there was a group of people who controlled both this forum and besslerwheel.com and pretty much ruined them for everybody.
Je pense qu'il est inutile de lire ou croire Bessler voir, s'orienter sur ses indices est le meilleur moyen de se perdre. Bessler n'avait aucun intérêt à divulguer sa technique de son vivant... Il n'a laissé aucun héritage à ses enfants, eh bien il est mort subitement, au bénéfice du doute, pas le temps de faire un testament....
La seule chose plausible qu'il nous a laissée, ce sont les témoignages, donc on pourrait croire que la roue a vraiment existé, ce que je crois.
Avant Bessler RIEN, Après Bessler jusqu'à présent pas grand chose.
J'ai pensé plusieurs fois que j'avais mis le doigt sur le Graal, j'ai beaucoup appris des différents prototypes, je peux dire qu'il y a deux forces, la gravité + l'inertie.
John, ne nous emballons pas, restons créatifs, et surtout récréatifs...
A++
Johnsmith
QuoteBessler said that as one weight moved away from the axle that another weight moved towards it.
I took a crack at the Milkovic dual pendulum and the Bessler wheel around ten years ago but it never panned out.
The Milkovic dual pendulum produces a beat note on the lever between the pendulums. So as side A increases its swing side B decreases and vice versa. I also found any chaotic input is absorbed into the resonant frequency within a few beats. I used a 24" lever, two 12" pendulums with 4 lb weights all on 1/4" ball bearings. Learned a lot about pendulums and resonance...
The Bessler wheel is still an enigma. I found with levers, pulleys and gears the force-distance from center rule applies. However many inventors of the past referred to a universal movement just as Bessler did. It relates to a kind of motion within any field (Electric, Magnetic, Gravic) which has the ability to extract energy from it. That is a kind of motion or process which can occur within a uniform gradient where the result is non-uniform.
It may relate to what I call the levered lever whereby the weight does not move but it's weight distribution or center of mass does. Here we need to be careful because the "weight" can move but it's referring to the property of the mass not the mass in itself. That is an apparent motion without a physical one by displacing the center of mass. To move the weight without moving the weights...
It's quite a mystery and I revisit the concept every now and then as I learn new things.
Regards
AC
Quote from: onepower on January 27, 2022, 10:15:47 AM
Johnsmith
I took a crack at the Milkovic dual pendulum and the Bessler wheel around ten years ago but it never panned out.
The Milkovic dual pendulum produces a beat note on the lever between the pendulums. So as side A increases its swing side B decreases and vice versa. I also found any chaotic input is absorbed into the resonant frequency within a few beats. I used a 24" lever, two 12" pendulums with 4 lb weights all on 1/4" ball bearings. Learned a lot about pendulums and resonance...
The Bessler wheel is still an enigma. I found with levers, pulleys and gears the force-distance from center rule applies. However many inventors of the past referred to a universal movement just as Bessler did. It relates to a kind of motion within any field (Electric, Magnetic, Gravic) which has the ability to extract energy from it. That is a kind of motion or process which can occur within a uniform gradient where the result is non-uniform.
It may relate to what I call the levered lever whereby the weight does not move but it's weight distribution or center of mass does. Here we need to be careful because the "weight" can move but it's referring to the property of the mass not the mass in itself. That is an apparent motion without a physical one by displacing the center of mass. To move the weight without moving the weights...
It's quite a mystery and I revisit the concept every now and then as I learn new things.
Regards
AC
As you said (and it is what everyone is taught);
"I found with levers, pulleys and gears the force-distance from center rule applies."
The disc is not a part of the wheel. It doesn't move because the wheel, its levers, pulleys etc. move or rotate.
The disc is considered an outside force (resistance which can be measured in ohms in an electrical circuit) just
as the Earth's gravity (g = G(m/r^2)) of 9.81 m/s is an outside force.
This is the basic principle that I believe Bessler used. If you notice the weight wheel moving towards the axle, watch from 17 seconds to 22 seconds,
no part of the wheel is moving it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=935Ktoxw1fM
And this violates math. This is because the lines attached to the weight wheel and the fulcrum remain the same length. This
is where liking math actually helps. This is because you have line segment A - Z which is x inches/cm long. Then you can ask
"How can you shorten the distance between points A and Z while the line segment A - Z stays the same length?". And if a person
isn't familiar with math then this will be a problem. This is because they won't understand how to solve such a simple problem.
That's where learning to understand that is up to the person. And this is where a basic graph like the unit circle wheel can help.
The radius is always considered to be 1 unless otherwise stated. The distance from the point of origin to (-1,0) to Pi is (1, 0).
The length of Pi is PiR (πr) ( which is 3.142 * 1 = 3.142. Yet the shortest distance between A and Z is 2. With Pi and r, they are a ratio.
The radius determines the values of both Pi and r because r is the radius. And the length of 1/2 of a circle is πr.
And I have studied a lot of math so this is just getting into the basics. If someone hasn't spent time learning math, then this will be
new to them. It is what it is.
p.s., with this image, some might say it isn't graphed yet it uses (x, y) coordinates. It's that it's formula isn't shown. That basic
expression is factored as a sinx (a/b + c) + d.
And the shortest distance from (-1, 0) to (1, 0) is 2. The circumference of 1/2 of the circle is πr or 3.142 x 1 = 3.142. The shortest
distance is 3.142 - 2 = 1.142 shorter than the length of 1/2 of the circle. This is the role the retraction disc or what Bessler called
a drum plays in the design. It's actually π/2 = 1.57 for every 1 unit of its radius.
If a person can't understand this then they need a math tutor and that's not something that I have the time for.
And once I demonstrate a working wheel, I will walk away from this. I will say that AB Hammer was my teacher because he is a Christian.
He is a teacher and even Stefan Hartmann acknowledges that Christians are our shepherds. AB Hammer does know what the Bible says.
That is why he is well liked. And so everything I say and do is in the name of AB Hammer. And only AB Hammer can say what it is that I
am building. Is it a perpetual wheel or not and whose wheel is it if it is a wheel? AB Hammer's or Bessler's? I can't say I know.
As AB Hammer said, all I know is how to worker and that workers need a good shepherd.
Johnsmith
QuoteAs you said (and it is what everyone is taught);
"I found with levers, pulleys and gears the force-distance from center rule applies."
The disc is not a part of the wheel. It doesn't move because the wheel, its levers, pulleys etc. move or rotate.
The disc is considered an outside force (resistance which can be measured in ohms in an electrical circuit) just
as the Earth's gravity (g = G(m/r^2)) of 9.81 m/s is an outside force.
I would agree and Bessler said as much, he claimed the wheel or circular outer form was not even needed and was simply a means to hide the inner workings. Quote: "My wheel revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside". As such we can deduce that the inner mechanisms could be a stand alone unit and take almost any form.
QuoteIs it really a wheel? For it does not have a normal rim. Rim that you see is just to hide the mechanism. If I uncover it you
would then ask whether this is really a wheel. My wheel revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside, and without
weights, wind or springs. When my wheel seen sideways or full-face it is as bright as a peacockÂ's tail. It turns to the
right and the left; it spins around in either direction, laden or empty. – Bessler (Ramananda,
"Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")
Here we could also deduce Bessler's system is not a wheel but a system of coordinated levers and other mechanisms.
QuoteThe levers loaded with heavy weights as viewed from the side, may be compared to side views of
many children playing with very heavy clubs among tall broken columns. The strongest of the children
cannot lift the lightest of the clubs. Still, each child can swing (or you might call it "step" as it uses a club
as a "leg") from the top of one broken column to the top of the next broken column by positioning his heavy
club on the ground between the two close columns and holding on to the handle end to swing over to the top
of the next column.
Then he rotates the handle end of his club to maneuver it between his current column and
his next intended column so that he can again "step" or swing a small angle over to the top of the next intended
broken column. If the clubs are even heavier by being double-ended, then instead of rolling them to the next
position, they may be alternatively transported between the columns by switching ends.
A double club may be moved in seesaw fashion by leaning it against the current broken column that the child is
on and rolling it over the top of the column (assuming that there is enough room for the child to stay on top of the column).
The double club is pivoted with a circular motion with one end going up while the other end goes down.
– Bessler (Ramananda, "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein")
Here Bessler mentions the "universal movement" which many other inventors also made claims to.
Quote"Unlike all other automata, such as clocks or springs, or other hanging weights which require winding up,
or whose duration depends on the chain which attaches them, these weights, on the contrary, are the essential parts,
and constitute the perpetual motion itself; since from them is received the universal movement which they must
exercise so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity; and when they come to be placed together, and so
arranged one against another that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the punctum quietus which they unceasingly
seek in their wonderfully speedy flight, one or other of them must apply its weight at right angles to the axis,
which in its turn must also move."
- Bessler, 1717
I have been working on this problem for some time and found, as is often the case, that most of the information on the internet is hearsay. If we look at the real literature by Bessler it's not even a wheel but a machine most likely designed to alter the center of gravity of the masses in such a way they can never find equilibrium. This is the true nature of the problem and anything else comes after the fact in my opinion.
We should never make a problem any more or less complex than it needs to be with respect to finding a solution...
Regards
AC
As onepower quoted Bessler;
My wheel revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside, and without weights, wind or springs.
Then Bessler said;
The levers loaded with heavy weights as viewed from the side, may be compared to side views of
many children playing with very heavy clubs among tall broken columns.
This is why Stefan and AB Hammer are Christians. They pray and wait for someone to be the answer
to their prayers that accepts their Christian leadership. After all, Bessler said he did not use weights
and yet he uses heavy weights.
And in all these years no one has considered using math. I think I am the only person who understood
that to understand Bessler's maschinen tractate https://besslerwheel.com/writings.html math is needed.
In Bessler's other writings, Apologia Poetica he apologizes for having destroyed his wheel and says that he will
shower people with words. In his Das Triumphirende Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum he explains why he was
successful.
Everyone at besslerwheel.com does not understand what those 3 writings represent. And I think it is because they're
not familiar with mechanical engineering and math. It would be interesting to know what the Grundlicher Bericht (Thorough Report)
- Kassel, 1715 is about but the other 3 explain everything. And I have shown where math matters. It lets me know that everything
else that Bessler wrote is for people who like puzzles. And after I finish my build and it works then people can consider what it all means.
And for what Bessler built, is it just what I'll show or is there something more to be realized?
Johnsmith
QuoteAs onepower quoted Bessler;
My wheel revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside, and without weights, wind or springs.
I believe when Bessler said "without weights, wind or springs" he was referring to mechanisms commonly found in clocks which power them. As you say, in other places he claims the device does use eight heavy weights.
It's quite a mystery and a very interesting problem. I hope someone does solve it some day...
Regards
AC
Quoteis where liking math actually helps. This is because you have line segment A - Z which is x inches/cm long. Then you can ask
"How can you shorten the distance between points A and Z while the line segment A - Z stays the same length?".
If you use the third dimension. Like distance on the surface of a sphere.
Just like airplanes do when they move between two points, shifting their
trajectory towards the poles. Am I not saying that? ???
Quote from: kolbacict on January 28, 2022, 06:01:16 AM
If you use the third dimension. Like distance on the surface of a sphere.
Just like airplanes do when they move between two points, shifting their
trajectory towards the poles. Am I not saying that? ???
I see you are familiar with navigation. If someone travels from Lisbon, Portugal to New York City,
they are both about 40° N latitude.
With the math, the relationship between latitude 40° (sin40) and latitude 60° (sin60) is that
sin 40 is 0.766 while sin 60 is 0.5 or 1.532:1. This means that each degree traveled at 40° latitude is
1.532 times longer than going past the southern tip of Greenland which is at 60° latitude.
This shows that by taking a northern or southern route (depending on which hemisphere you are in) it is
closer to a straight line that traveling laterally around a sphere which is not a straight line. It is the
circumference of the Earth that is traveled.
And with the 2nd image, a straight line from Lisbon to NYC would go through the Earth. At 40° latitude, that
line would go 1000 km or 600 miles into the Earth at that latitude.
Needless to say I find math helps me to understand what I am doing. And with the radius of the Earth being
4000 miles or 6400 kilometers, the relationship to latitudes is a sine function. This means that 2π * r can be
multiplied by sinx to get the same answer as (radius * sinx) * 2π = circumference.
And with the 2nd image, the straight line would go about 1000 km or 600 miles into the Earth.
p.s., Iceland is actually 64° latitude. When I vacationed in Yekaterinburg, Russia, we flew over Iceland at night
(I could see Reykjavik). Reykjavik was lit up and was the only light to be seen so obviously it was an isolated
area which Reykjavic is. That flight went from NYC to Moscow. And Moscow is 55.75° N latitude.
And the island above the de in latitude is Iceland. Reykjavik is its capital.
Would using the third dimension help with your wheel problem?
QuoteIceland is actually 64° latitude. When I vacationed in Yekaterinburg, Russia, we flew over Iceland at night
(I could see Reykjavik).
I envy
Quote from: kolbacict on January 28, 2022, 01:25:35 PM
Would using the third dimension help with your wheel problem?
I envy
If you look at the 2nd image in the previous post, it shows that following the curve of the Earth is a longer path.
A drum creates a longer path for a line as well.
And since Stefan believes I have killed someone, it is probably best for me not to post in his forum. Such false
claims that people made against me led to my being investigated for killing someone. A simple internet search
would've shown my Facebook page as well as where I live and have lived. Yet everyone trusted a person who wanted my
work or my life ruined.
And it is funny how many Germans believed that person. And to honor what Germans told me, a liar is welcome in Germany.
And Stefan actually posted to me that he hopes I get over having killed my friend. This is James Lindgard;
https://www.presspubs.com/lindgaard-sentenced-to-68-months-for-vehicular-homicide/article_61ec4171-228c-5214-9d66-8cc1fdc14bd5.html
His actual name is Mark James Lindgaard. And I'm not that young but everyone trusted AB Hammer when making such a serious claim. In my
videos, do I look like I would've been 22 when that was reported? This only shows that getting people to trust you has nothing to do with what
you're actually doing.
And yes, the police investigated me for having killed someone because of the stress such accusations bring into someone's life. And this will be
a part of Bessler's legacy if I am successful. People were out to ruin Bessler's life as well for his secret. Luckily I'll be able to do science after this.
What needs to be understood is that people who live in Richmond, Kentucky, USA believe I killed someone. I will need to clear my name. Of
course, AB Hammer can say that as a Christian he saw the opportunity to redeem a sinner because that's what Christians do. And that he was wrong,
that didn't affect his life.
@kolbacict, the 2 pictures show a bearing hanging from the disc from its fulcrum and then when it swings around the disc. In the 1st image, look near
the bottom of the picture by the T square (straight edge). In the 2nd image, I put tape on the bearing to make it easier to see. The difference in how
far the bearing is from the disc is the same distance the weight wheel moves up the arm it is on.
Basically when the wheel rotates, it has the same effect as the drum rotating. The line is wrapping around the Bessler's external drum.
Around the firmly placed horizontal axis is a rotating disc (low or narrow cylinder) which resembles a grindstone. This disc can be called the principle piece of my machine. Accordingly, this wheel consists of an external wheel (or drum) for raising weights which is covered with stretched linen.
https://besslerwheel.com/writings/das_triumphans.html
Your story remembered mine. Believe in what you are doing.
I'll probably quit work on AB Hammer's invention. Stefan Hartmann has said it is his invention and I accept what Stefan says.
I am going to have something built which I will give to AB Hammer as an invention which only he'll be allowed to patent. I'll
be able to reference a post in this forum and say it is what AB Hammer posted.
And since I live in the US, realizing a part of the Republic of Saxony history could be considered by some in the U.S. as being antisemitic
because while the Republic of Saxony was a part of Poland during Bessler's lifetime, it is now Saxony, Germany. As for what I will build
that will work, I'll be able to pay someone to build it for me. Then it will be professionally done with no controversy involved.
I will leave my videos up on my YouTube channel in case anyone wants to build AB Hammer's invention or if he wishes to build it himself.
With the 2 weight wheels being lifted together in the last video, if that was on the 4 weight wheel video then it might have worked. Then
as Mt 24 shows, if the top section that is expanded wide was still closed then you'd have the basic shift in balance of 2 weight wheels on
opposite sides of the axle moving upward.
And with Bessler's wheel, someone who is well liked like AB Hammer should build it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAUoz7jimg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2NNyeBz7U
Is AB Hammer a pedophile? Ask Stefan.
The national police should investigate them.
John
QuoteIs AB Hammer a pedophile? Ask Stefan.
The national police should investigate them.
Just because you disagree with another person does not justify personal attacks nor slander. It is a weak argument on your part at best which has no bearing on whether the other party was more right or wrong in any sense of the word.
For example, Alan Turing
https://www.livescience.com/29483-alan-turing.html
QuoteAlan Turing was a British scientist and a pioneer in computer science. During World War II, he developed a machine that helped break the German Enigma code. He also laid the groundwork for modern computing and theorized about artificial intelligence.
An openly gay man during a time when homosexual acts were illegal in Britain, Turing committed suicide after begin convicted of "gross indecency" and sentenced to a procedure some call "chemical castration." He has since become a martyred hero of the gay community. In late 2013, nearly 60 years after his death, Queen Elizabeth II formally pardoned him.
Think about that, a man who had a lifestyle I and you may totally disagree with could have been responsible for every freedom we all enjoy today. Do I agree with his life choices, no I do not, however my right to disagree in no way reflects on Alan Turing's absolute genius nor the fact he may have saved the war and prevented Hitler from taking over the entire planet with his twisted authoritarian rule.
Your argument is weak my friend and blaming others for our own inadequacies and an inability to produce results is not the way...
Regards
AC
Quote from: onepower on January 29, 2022, 09:34:16 PM
John
Just because you disagree with another person does not justify personal attacks nor slander. It is a weak argument on your part at best which has no bearing on whether the other party was more right or wrong in any sense of the word.
For example, Alan Turing
https://www.livescience.com/29483-alan-turing.html
Think about that, a man who had a lifestyle I and you may totally disagree with could have been responsible for every freedom we all enjoy today. Do I agree with his life choices, no I do not, however my right to disagree in no way reflects on Alan Turing's absolute genius nor the fact he may have saved the war and prevented Hitler from taking over the entire planet with his twisted authoritarian rule.
Your argument is weak my friend and blaming others for our own inadequacies and an inability to produce results is not the way...
Regards
AC
AB Hammer openly posted that he will call my father and I will be in trouble. Daddies do not like it when little boys do not do what grown
ups tell them to do. Stefan had no issue with this. It is pedophilia. Stefan deleting posts shows he supports AB Hammer. Google saved what he deleted.
As for Alan Turing, did he commit suicide because he was gay or because of the lives that he did not save? I doubt it was because he was gay but how many lives
were lost because of his math? I don't think he could live with that.
For those who don't know, Alan Turing built what is considered is the world's first computer and it broke the Nazi's enigma code.
With encryption online such as is used for your passwords like when you log in to your bank, that's what the enigma code was.
And it seems the issue was that if a more complex enigma machine was built, could a better machine be built by Alan Turing and his friends?
If not then limiting the loss of life or basically saying we'll allow this many people to die so they won't know we broke their code might cause
problems for someone living with having made those decisions.
With AB Hammer, he might actually need a stay in a psychiatric hospital. This is in a literal sense. Yet he's never been banned from a forum.
And he hasn't worked at Bessler's wheel. That might show just how toxic this subject is even in forums that you would think would allow for
it to be considered.
This week (maybe tomorrow) I'll be able to go to the library and show what I should've built years ago and have given to AB Hammer. At least
this way I'll be able to show Christians that I can live according to the scripture in the Bible and AB Hammer is a Christian and knows the Bible
as well.
Matthew 5:40;
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and. take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
I will give AB Hammer everything he wants including my ileostomy. He will have my life in the US. I'll be able to move to another country where
a disabled Veteran who served Honorably in the U.S. Armed Forces can have a life. Luckily for me, the U.S. is not the only country that I have
lived in. And being from Ohio, USA does not make me an American just as being a disabled Veteran does not mean I deserve a life in the US.
With this design, lead rises as it sinks......in water. And we know lead doesn't float. Then it can't rise as it sinks because
lead can't do 2 opposing things at the same time, right?
When lead sinks, it pumps air. Then because the bellow it is associated with will either sink or rise. It's pretty basic. Blow
the ballast tanks on a submarine and it rises. Fill the ballast tanks with water and it sinks. If you don't want to land on the
seafloor then air has to be left in the ballast tanks to maintain some buoyancy. That is how a submarine can hold position
at any given depth.
And some will say this can never work because lead doesn't float. And this is what I call my "fail safe". Professionally built
by a respectable wood worker, people will take notice. The issue is the tank. A small tank 40 in. x 40 in. x 18 in.
(1m x 1m x 45cm) holds .45m^3 of water or 118 gallons that weighs 990 lbs. or 450 kg.
That's why I can not build that at home if it is to be built right.
With my Bessler build, I'll probably put pulleys at opposite ends of a crossbar to show that the overbalance allows for both
sets of weight wheels to be lifted when it rotates. Bessler shows working together in so many of his drawings that anyone
familiar with them would find this is something that Bessler taught in his maschinen tractate and the first image that you
see might actually represent how retraction lines are connected. And I don't expect anyone to understand that.
http://www.orffyre.com/mt.html
p.s., with this, think Jules Verne 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Wood, copper and neoprene.
p.s.s., as for the Bible, since I have to give what I have to AB Hammer, that means it is now a sword and a shield. Yet Jesus
said do not bother people and be known by your walk. And because that does not describe Christians in the U.S>, I will need
to move to another country so I can have a life. It's like a famous baseball player (Yogi Berra) said about a restaurant;
Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded.
That describes the U.S.
p.s.s., 2 months ago I had less than 30 subscribers. My channel is more about documenting my work. With what I'll probably
do to my prototype is shorten the arms so it can be on its stand in a spare room I have. Weights being lifted when they're top
center will generate a lot of torque. It will just be testing a theory that resistance does not consume energy because it is not
doing any work. And yet some idiot will say the weight is moving. It won't be moving. The arm it is on will be moving away from it
so technically the weight on the wheel is in the same position as before to its fulcrum.
With the underwater water wheel, lead is about 10.3 times denser than water. Water is about 816 times denser than air.
When lead is attached to a bellow or a float, then the total weight and volume are considered as one object or mass.
https://letstalkscience.ca/educational-resources/stem-in-context/why-do-ships-float
My channel will determine what I do and when I do it. Next week I'll make a video showing both of the wheels that I've built.
The Ode to Bessler and the prototype. And I will explain how I'll test how torque can rotate a wheel and show how the weights
are moving because the wheel is moving and not the weights.
This is basic cause and effect which goes back to Newton when he published his book En Principia for short back in 1687.
Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica. Bessler was 7 at that time. You could almost say that Newton's book in Engleske is
The Philosophy of the Natural Principle of Mathematics. Or how does mathematics allow us to understand our solar system?
That's basically what the title suggests. And physics is actually based on his literal title.
The 2nd video will show if the prototype has enough torque to rotate a wheel that lifts 2 weights. This is because gravity acts
on everything equally and the drum is not lifting the weights as Bessler said it is. He said what you would understand but the drum
doesn't rotate and the wheel does.
And then for fun we can consider math and what it allows for. When physics and mechanics meet, it is called engineering.
Physics does not allow for flight while engineering does. Physics is as Einstein said, to understand Odin's thoughts.
Engineering perverts the natural order of things.
Unless someone has specific questions about how lead can float or an airplane can fly, I'll need to focus on my next video. And if
you've ever gone fishing, you know the bob (float) doesn't sink unless you have a lot of lead weight on your line. Interestingly
enough I have fished from the fjords of Norway to the Puget Sound in Washington State, USA. I've lived in both places.
If you like Rock music, there is this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B90VnG6FR0
And what my mother would've loved; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ7vU401MrA
With perpetual motion, it is about conservation of energy. It is about converting energy
from one form to another. With music, strings and vocal chords change how the air moves.
Sound is nothing more than molecules vibrating. No speaker puts out sound. It transfers
kinetic energy to molecules in the air. Sound is never produced. It is only perceived.
And just something else for you to perceive; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3jcOWp71-Q
She is training to be an opera singer and she is French.
And since her goal is to sing in the opera; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJr8rZcoiA
This is a perpetual motion forum and in calculus limits are set, why do we set limits?
How you know, how to find limits in calculus; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJZm-zp639s
What hurt me was not having a text book with homework assignments. Those would be helpful.
And as we all know, music Rocks!!
p.s., math helps us to understand values in mechanics. Kind of why we know why something moves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSlEIzSwVho
Nazis didn't kill my father. He could run faster. And perpetual motion is impossible. It is.
And I've asked a Jew to work with me. It is a fücked up world. She knows my situation.
It's a different world today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nco_kh8xJDs
It is a different world today. People need to learn to work together.
ie., power comes first. Those who do the work, it is to show to those in power.
p.s., if I was born 20 years earlier; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKCDc8Eg_-U
Today we need to know math. In the 40's and the 50's, in the U.S. they were called nerds.
Times have changed.
I'll be needing to buy some plywood. I'll need to make a "ring" around the outer part of my build. Then
it will look like an actual wheel. This is because I'll need a place to mount pulleys. Then this will fit another
part of the description of Bessler's wheel. A curved board was placed around the outside of it so you
couldn't see past it. This made the frame rigid. Otherwise the frame could twist and break.
I'll be making a video of with what I showed in here and explain the modifications I'll be making to my
current build.. I'll also show where Mt 24 shows a shift in force that is unique to Bessler's drawings. And it is
also in 8 sections. Witnesses said that they heard 8 knocking sounds per revolution.
With the modification I'll be making, I'll only lose 3/8" or about 1 cm of overbalance. And since I'll be needing
to rout parts that will be 32" (81.25 cm) across, I'll only be able to work on those parts on Sunday when my
neighbor is in church. And I will need to make numerous small parts so the left and right side of the frame
can be connected so they'll be rigid. That will mean a lot of gluing and letting glue dry which will slow things
up as well. If you consider trusses, just a basic truss will be needed. When it's built everyone should get it.
And this is kind of why I want to enjoy all of the work that I'm doing, it is a lot of work.
p.s., I had 2 credible individuals tell me that they would not let me pursue perpetual motion.
I always had the same answer, they tried to stop Rock and Roll and they failed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OFESufsZG0
With a video, what I'd like to show is placing a ring around the wheel I've built. And then show what I'll
be doing instead because it is a prototype. This way people will understand that there is a difference
between a finished product and an idea that is being pursued.
With Bessler's wheel, there are 2 drawings that show he connected opposing weights. With Mt 134, with
the lines being further away from the hub (axle) it does change the appearance. And as both drawing
show, Bessler shows 2 lines connecting opposing weights. And it does require 2 lines, one on each side
of the wheel and not the hub. A swing also requires 2 lines. This is because like a weight wheel, it is equally
supported on both sides.
Years ago I started building Bessler's clues. A lot of people didn't understand the mechanics involved it
seems. And taking things literally doesn't work with Bessler. With Mt 134, if the wheel were rotated 90°,
then you'd have a line on each side of the wheel connecting both the top and bottom weights. Usually
Bessler shows 2 levers with weights connected together. In that drawing, he shows nothing but a line.
While there are 143 drawings in what John Collins and his friends did, no one has ever made sense of them.
In a way it's like learning analytical trigonometry (am being serious), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvSI2yS5M1w
Might be why so many people had issues with me. How can someone consider Bessler's work without working at it?
What I'm doing, it shows I put the work in. And with calculus you can just go f(x) = dy/dx which can simplify things. What
is the change in rise over run? Of course basic trigonometry and algebra allows for it to be considered. People should
know how something in an expression cancels something else out. This would allow for an overbalance to be realized.
And if what I do works and some people will decide to build one. At the same time, they'll probably want to be a part of
the show that I want to do in Utrecht.
p.s., I have one advanced design that would use water instead of rocks or lead, And in Bessler's time, lead would have been extremely expensive.
Today, 10 lbs. costs about $40. With it in 3 or 4 oz weights, it's about $60. And when pouring 1 lb weights, using lighter weights is better.
p.s.s., with what I'll be showing on my YouTube channel, it will most likely be posted here first. Then when I make the video, you guys will probably
say "so that's what he was talking about".
A Russian singer who moved to Finland; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5nUo6G5qw4
A Finnish group; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmiw4FYTg2U&list=RDKmiw4FYTg2U&start_radio=1
If you know history, the Vikings created the Kiev Rys (pronounces Roos). What lead to Russia. Russia literally
means the Rys and I (Rys ee Ya). That means Russia and me or myself. Ya or the backwards R is Ya meaning
I or myself such as mne (MHE in Russian) or to me. Please allow for phonics and the Cyrillic alphabet.
I'd like to think that everyone will enjoy Natalia Tsarikova's singing. Hers or Nightwish.
With music, the cd Great Wave of Horns by Russenorsk; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzIxIaF30gc&list=OLAK5uy_kpBovTGZTVvJCouHHnm_pjT5DNng4U54Q
Russenorsk is a language that was developed by fishermen from both Norway and Russia. Also, Russia has never gone to war against Norway.
The ties between the 2 countries go back to the beginning of Russia. The Rys taught trade and government. It is an "olde" relationship the
people's have.
With Russenorsk, it is the Russian and the Norwegian. With languages, "the" is not a word in Russian. Rys ee norske (Norske refers to the language while Norge refers to
Norway itself) kind of shows what those words mean. With Rusian, it might be руск и норск. In English, that's roosk ee norsk. Roos ee norsk is a softening of the language.
Kind of why I visited Yekaterinburgh, Norway has a history with Russia.
p.s., I'll be working on my build. It is a lot of work. Russia, Norway, Finland and America? Just a distraction.
A bonus for you guys; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBcbtHFPf_c
Next week I'll be posting another video. What people will need to understand is that when the ascending
weight wheels move closer to the axle, it is because the imbalance is causing the wheel to rotate, As Bessler
said, his wheel tries to find a balance but it cannot.
If the disc rotated to move the weight wheel closer to the axle of the wheel then the disc would be performing
work. Yet when the wheel itself moves the weight wheels, it is not because the wheel is not using energy to
perform that work.
This shows that resistance is causing the balance of the wheel to change as it rotates. And yet resistance causes
entropy and not conservation of energy. This is what everyone can consider and if need be, wrap a line around a
can. And if the line is weighted down on the other side of the can away from you then you'll notice that without
the can the line is closer to you. And that's basically the theory I am working with on what I call Bessler's Wheel.
And if I am right then I should be able to get the 8 weight wheel version working and maybe the 4 weight wheel
version.
p.s., this is basically using Occam's Razor to consider an idea. http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html
And with what I've been doing, I've limited how complex I'll build something. And with what I'm building, it
is what is required. This is why I've taken things one step at a time.
This is to hopefully explain the basic principle better. And while using a string and something round is something simple, putting
it to use in a build is a lot of work. After my next video I'll be demonstrating with weights both below and above the axle in 2
different positions. This will show if it is more efficient lifting both weights. This is where with a good computer the frames per second
and the wheels rotation would show if it is more efficient or not.
The first illustration shows the math where the axle for the wheel and the drum have the same center or axle. Only the part of the
drum between the line segment A ---- B is used. The 2nd image shows 2 pulleys shifting the swing of the weight to be under the axle.
It took me a couple of months to grasp this. I think it is because when the weight is shifted it is supposed to restrict the motion of the
arm. And in this configuration, that does not happen.
I am at the library and will be working on a SketchUp drawing (actually 2) which will be included in my video. I'll show how I'll reinforce
the frame so it will remain rigid. I'll also show what I could do because it is a wheel. And I'll explain how stress or the weight of the
wheel influences what I'm doing.
p.s., if anyone tries what I've suggested, what's above everything is the fulcrum or top of the line. It can be placed anywhere as long as
it wraps around the cylinder to the right of the axle.
This is a part of what I did at the library. I have my pc working again so will only need to go to the library
for video editing. I tried recording the screen when I moved the ring on to the frame but something wouldn't
let me do that.
With what I am actually building, I'll be able to add plates at the end of the arms for the pulley mounts. And
then to connect the different arms together I'll use either twine or artificial sinew. This will be to make sure
the frame is rigid.
And if I build something that works, I'll give 100% of everything to AB Hammer. This has to be considered his invention.
For the last 15 years everyone supported him. And as I've mentioned, even today at besslerwheel.com everyone will say
I have to give it to him. IMO I had my original Facebook page taken away from me because what I was posting wasn't
pleasing to AB Hammer. And people love the guy because he is a Christian. It is interesting that if this works, I might've
been able to have done it 10 years ago but he needed someone to build his invention for him so he could show how his
faith in Jesus got it built for him. And Christians are allowed to enslave people in Jesus name because it's all about building
a bigger church and having status in the church.
With the video I'll be making, I'll show 3 different tests to see how shifting the balance with the weight wheel above the
axle being positioned higher up its arm. Then after adding more pulleys and connecting 2 opposing weight wheels, will it
show the test was accurate? If so then that would suggest it can work.
I may need to slow up a little on making my work known. I need to protect my work and if anyone has seen the movie Twister, there's an unrealized
idea and an idea that is realized. And my goal since November has been March or April for a working build. I do think that is possible. We're still in the
first week of February so I still have close to 3 months.
p.s., this is a lot of work for one person to do by themselves without a wood shop to work in which could be something like a garage at home.
At the end of the day it is a machine so the mechanics need to be properly configured while having a frame that can withstand the loads placed
on it.
I'll probably post a video in the next couple of days. I should be able to work more quickly. Something changed.
Unfortunately AB Hammer ruined it as a way to interact socially with people. He wanted to show how his faith in Jesus
would allow him to steal someone's work. Yet I can say I owe him all credit for teaching me because my going it alone
is his "Tough Love" way of teaching me how to build his wheel for him. And Christians will support him.
Fortunately I'll be able to do other things which I might be allowed to enjoy doing.
In the link, a basic discussion of science and I mention an experiment that I am pursuing in atmospheric chemistry and physics.
https://psi.quora.com/What-is-the-one-concept-in-quantum-physics-that-denies-reality-5?comment_id=247275220&comment_type=2
The experiment would show that CO2 is necessary for the ozone layer to recover which the IPCC mentioned in its 2013 report but doesn't
understand how. I'd be explaining it to them.
With the next video, like anything else, I'll need to see how many takes it will take for me to be happy with the video.
This is because I'll be using about 5 different videos to make 1 video. With that said, this shows where basic calculus
would've helped to consider the relationship between over and under balance.
With using (x, y) coordinates, 0º would be the y axis while 90º would be the x axis. And with 4 quadrants, the x in f(x) =
would have 4 different values. And as in the image, an equation would follow that could be factored. And that would allow
for algebra to reduce everything to a single equation which would allow for net torque to be calculated.
A simpler method is just using (r1 + r2/2)sin45 = x in each of the 4 quadrants. sin60 might allow for a more accurate value
but would be a starting point to find out if rotation agrees with the math. With r1 - r2, how far is the weight from the axle
before and after 90º of rotation?
And the 2nd image is a spreadsheet that I used to find the average torque. There is a lot that comes with working on
something like this and I have put in the work. Where it says radius/m that is 1 meter. I have other spreadsheets and this was
an early version. And if anyone besides me builds a wheel like what I am building, I would suggest becoming familiar with writing
spreadsheets and being able to use a 3D design program like SketchUp. A spreadsheet might show what in a design needs to be
changed to enhance performance of the wheel. I think it would save a lot of trial and error.
p.s., and I know the 90 should actually be at the top right of the function symbol.
p.s.s., tomorrow I'll edit the video so should be posting it.
I have made some videos and have decided to connect the top and bottom weight wheels similar to what Bessler showed in his drawings.
This video has no audio. The first part shows 2 weights being lifted together. If connecting the top and bottom weights does not interfere with
the rotation of the wheel, then the 2nd part of the video shows what happens after 22.5º.
https://youtu.be/-pye2RboCdc
I tried to view it but it is marked private. Is there a password?
Quote from: i/o on February 11, 2022, 06:09:38 PM
I tried to view it but it is marked private. Is there a password?
Thanks for letting me know. I changed the setting to unlisted. With the private setting it is limited to 25 views.
Next week I will be working on making a "rim" for the wheel so it will be a wheel. And then when I show the top
and bottom weights connected, hopefully people will have an idea of why I've been pursuing it.
I am in the process of connecting the top and bottom weight wheels. If that test works well then
I will make the ring/rim for it and see if weight wheels can work. In Bessler's time, I think he made
his own bearings. From his description he made a variation of amalgam or silver filling which
dentists use today.
And for what I did in the video, I checked other imbalances. And because I am handicapped, I will
need to take it easy on myself. Being too active can make my situation a lot worse. Still, since I am
building then people shouldn't have an issue with my being handicapped.
Hopefully everyone will understand how everything fits together, The flat board represents the side
of the arm. And with the end of the arm shown, the guides for the weight wheel need to be trimmed
so the pulley mount will act like an end cap as well.
With what is on the left, when it is flipped over, that is how it fill fit over the end of the arm.
p.s., most likely it will be after the 20th when I can post a video showing if this can work. It does take time
for me to do everything.
@ johnsmith
Thank you and very cool !
best wishes
and
good success
Quote from: Floor on February 13, 2022, 01:38:49 PM
@ johnsmith
Thank you and very cool !
best wishes
and
good success
I know you're being sarcastic. The image is from an internationally recognized leader in perpetual motion. I saved
that thread because he and other respected forum members at besslerwheel.com were discussing how if people
understood engineering like them, they wouldn't try.
And if I am successful I have to say that he as an American and a Christian taught me. It's called "Tough Love".
And as a disabled Veteran why Christians discipline me by not allowing me to have a family in the U.S.
Proverbs 13:24; Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.
Thing is, between AB Hammer and Christians, I'm not their son. It's not up to them to discipline me. Besides, I feel good
about what I'm doing. While it takes both time and money to build, the next test or 2 will determine if I did discover
Bessler's wheel or not. And the thing is, the principle is actually in a child's game yet grownups don't understand it. I tried
explaining this game and the physics in it but no one got it. Kind of why I like what I'm doing. :o
and at besslerwheel.com, those green dots are earned. Yet neither of those have built anything. Notice saying "give it to us"
makes someone credible. So if I am successful, people will wonder why credible forum leaders say Bessler was a fraud and
perpetual motion is impossible.
And for you Floor, I'll give you a clue to a variation of that child's game with a child's toy, last picture. 8)
And now I'm just being a jerk. Okay, Tarsier79 said to give him the secret. This isn't it. It is
a part of Wagner's Roaster. Wagner might've been the person who got Bessler arrested by
calling him a fraud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn72QvWf3Jk
The math behind it is based on Moment of Inertia. There is a lot to it but in the first image you can see
where Bessler drew the line wrapped around something the same way as the boy in the video wrapped
the line around his spinning top.
And with the children's game, there is tether ball. You only need to watch the first 10 seconds because the 3rd grader beat the 5th grader's a$$.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oM8Iax7cLQ
This is an example of centripetal force while a spinning top has centrifugal force. With centripetal force, it is f = mv^2/r
or force = mass times velocity squared divided by the radius. With the game of tether ball, what work was done to get the ball to hit the pole?
If you answered no work then you are correct. When the ball moves into the pole linear from a distance away from the pole, no work is being
done. Now if you said the work done was mass times distance as the ball rotates around the pole, then you are once again right. The pole is
merely shortening the line by creating an obstruction which does not resist the motion of the ball.
And yet grown adults don't understand why a squared circle matters. An arc segment is 1.57 times longer than a straight line. Yet as with tether
ball, we know something can move around a circle without it creating resistance to motion. Also, with using 1/4 of a circle, when the wheel rotates
1/4 of a circle, that is a 1:1 ratio that allows for the line to always be at a 90º angle from the pulley closest to the disc and the axle. This prevents
resistance of motion. And why Tarsier79, AB Hammer and company can not understand how simple this, I guess they never played tether ball as a kid.
And with the game of tether ball, the 3rd grader knew that if she hits it up, it will rotate back down to her. Gravity and inertia had it circle back because
if she hit it harder or softer, the taller 5th grader would get it. She had control. She knew its velocity mattered.
p.s., kind of why I like my chances of success. The disc on my build is basically the same thing as the pole in tether ball. And building with a significant
disability is not an easy thing to do. That and building can be expensive. Let's face it, this isn't a social type interest. When scientists say that perpetual
motion is impossible, they'll say they meant can a rock move itself. Yet when they talk about something rotating on an axis, they call that perpetual
motion as well. But what causes a weight to drop or fall? Where a working machine will have scientists say "Of course you can conserve energy!".
At the moment, scientist say that gravity is a force while it has no energy. ergo, conservation of gravitational force is not possible because gravity has
no energy. What the scientific argument is actually based on if you can believe that. The laws of thermodynamics allows for heat energy to be conserved,
to pursue an equilibrium, etc. So technically a working machine will be conserving the heat content of the Earth's gravitational field as momentum in a
foreign object orbiting the Earth. You know, kind of like the Moon which has slowed the Earth's spin.
And when the laws of thermodynamics are cited, then it is about heat content and if momentum can be changed because of a flow of heat. You know, a
molecule like CO2, H2o vapor or nitrogen dioxide is KE = 3/2kT because the R value among other things relates to momentum, the number of molecules
in a mol, etc. Basically excited gasses expand because the elements in that molecule has more KE which is 1/2mv^2. This is all pretty basic.
And then scientists will say that when it's cold, atmospheric gasses will expand which is why there's a low pressure system.
And yet when they say that gravity can't be conserved as mechanical energy you guys believe them?
Maybe ya'all should go play a nice game of tether ball and say the pole pulled the ball into it even the pole is an inanimate object?
See? I told yu'uns I was being a jerk. Then again I think disabled Veterans in the U.S. will like me and maybe even people who have disabilities which
includes a significant hearing loss or being deaf.
p.s., I'm going to need to load a new OS on my computer. Or at least try. A diagnostic test said everything is okay.
I think what I need to do is focus on my build and finish a design for my underwater wheel. I need surgery. And
over the years, things could've gone better if people understood why scientists said that perpetual motion is impossible.
Then they would've known that the Moon is an example of the Earth's gravity being conserved.
Mechanical engineering manipulates the laws of physics. This is where a lot of people will not take the time to learn
basic principles. And a submarine submerging or surface happens because? A tether ball hits its pole because?
Basically what is work? How can it be quantified when its formula is w = md or work equals mass times distance.
Then when that is considered with either the submarine or a tether ball, you'd notice that the answer you get isn't the
same as moving a weight on the ground. Even then, having wheels under something allows more work to be performed
while using less energy. That's engineering. And with the example used for the "keel effect", the underwater wheel will
prove that wrong by using only 4 weights. and with that, the weight furthest from the axle will change the balance so
rotation can continue and not stop as many self proclaimed experts have said. I think when that becomes known, people
will wonder why such people became authorities on a subject when they're wrong. And it's simply because scientists said
that a rock can't move itself. When scientists say thermodynamics does not allow for perpetual motion, they can say that a rock is one example. Or they could say that an Atmos clock demonstrates why it is impossible.
That's because it relies on an outside source of energy to lift it's weight.
There are actually 2 different definitions that are used. A working machine will have scientists say that the Atmos clock is the example they meant when they were actually talking about the rock example.
https://www.jaeger-lecoultre.com/us/en/watches/story-of/story-of-atmos.html
p.s., self winding is a "perpetual" attribute like a weight shifting on its own in a machine. This is what happens
in the Atmos clock. A weight shifts without someone moving it. Still, this doesn't leave much to discuss
because experts prevented discussions about what engineering allows for. And Bessler wanted to start an engineering school. If he revealed his secret, he could've started his school. I think with his being arrested changed everything for him.
I thought I'd post a build update. I did say the week of the 20th I hoped to have a video showing the next test.
I will be using 8 pulleys and 12 bushings to connect the top and bottom weights like what is shown in MT 134.
If it works then a wheel using 4 weight wheels can work.
What this test will show is if it takes work to lift the top weight wheel. We do have bearings today while it seems
that Bessler invented his. And with 4 working weight wheels that I have, I can test for 8 weights as well. That will
be next if this test doesn't work. Kind of why 1 step at a time is necessary. It can be boring and if all works out
okay, I'll make known some information that people aren't aware of. And this might go back to what was the science
of the day when Bessler was a kid. Things were different then and what people got excited over was alchemy and
Newton along with Leibniz. Basically speaking, gravity and the conservation of energy were just discovered.
In 1686, there wasn't a theory of gravity. En Principia was published in 1687 when Bessler was 7 years old and
perpetual motion wasn't impossible.
And from my perspective, if one weight moves towards the axle while another moves away works, Bessler wrote
about that as well. And it does need to work as well.
What will be telling from testing I have done is when the wheel is rotated 22.5° from center. Basically 1:30 and 7:30.
If it rotates that far then it should rotate past 90°. With this, it is odd to try and to explain to adults about line segments.
There's line A --- B which is less than line segment B --- C while the whole line A --- D is longer. A --- D might be the
length of the line but the shorter segments are a part of the the line segment A --- D.
Then you get into if it's congruent, parallel or some other relationship that can be defined. So being familiar with math
does help. It helps to understand Bessler's Paradox where the drum lifts the weight while the drum isn't rotating but
the wheel is. And in math, the inverse is always true. When the wheel rotates, it is merely the inverse function of a
drum rotating.
p.s., when things are broken down into line segments, things make since up to a point. Then you have to say the inverse
is true as well. A wheel rotating is the inverse function of a drum rotating. Same result but just an inverse function.
This simply means that the wheel itself is lifting the weight and not the drum. I think nerds who like math will have fun
with this. An inverse function performing work while it isn't. Kind of why it's called free energy.
After the glue does some drying I'll mount the end caps on. Then I can drill holes for
the pulley mounts. I'll be using 12 pulleys. This next test will determine if using only
4 weights can work. If not then the 2 weights not shown will be mounted 45°
counterclockwise of what's on there now. That would be to determine if using 8 weights
will work.
I have my own design that I'll be continuing design work on. And that's one I will be
paying someone else to build.
p.s., I'll be using 2 pulleys on top like what is shown in Bessler's drawing. In his drawing
the bar will be the weight wheel. And I am hoping that a 4 weight configuration will work.
Since the line isn't doing any work there shouldn't be much energy lost because the top
weight is being lifted. And tests I did showed that after 22.5° of rotation it rotates. In this
video, the top weight is in a fixed position that when lifted would be at an angle of the 22.5°
I mentioned. https://youtu.be/pzUn-BlaZX8 And this is what will help me to know if lifting
the top weight is costing a lot of energy. At 45° it goes even better.
This is it with all of the pulleys on it necessary for the test. I have to add 4 fasteners to each
weight wheel for a place to secure the connecting lines. If you look just above the axle you'll
see a pulley. The one below the axle is hidden by the disc. And with 2 pulleys on each end this
agrees with Mt 134. Tomorrow I'll probably test it.
I'll be using imitation sinew to connect the 2 opposing pulleys. Then I'll just need to attach the
retraction lines to one weight wheel and then test it. Unfortunately no one has made an app
for this yet.
I checked it out some and it comes up short. It requires about .3 to .4 kg to rotate it.
That's an extra 10 to 14 oz. This allows for the question of decreasing the size of the retraction
discs or reducing how much the top weight is lifted. 2 ways in which the amount of energy
needed to rotate the wheel.
I do have my own design which I'll continue design work on Monday. To continue work on Bessler's
wheel will require me to be healthy. With Bessler, my being successful with my own invention will
only help to gather more interest in his work.
It is possible that a smaller retraction disc will allow for more acceleration. A larger disc allowed
for nothing, just no movement. With a 1:1 ratio, it rotated. This is where a smaller retraction disc
might allow for more movement. This is one issue with trying to engineer someone else's work
relying on cryptic clues.
p.s., to increase the torque generated as far as efficiency goes, having the weight wheels roll into
the axle requires less torque to rotate the wheel. Bessler did use springs. With something like that,
springs would be helpful. When weights rotate around the axle at a distance, f = ma is increased.
Next to the axle, energy saved. My build is not set up to test this.
And with Occam's Razor https://www.britannica.com/topic/Occams-razor reducing the force necessary
to rotate the wheel will most likely work. An easy test of this is using only 2 weights. Then when
compared to using 4 weights with the extra 2 at a distance, then math will show what is what.
p.s.s., And with the previous build I did, there is something suggested. It would take modifying this recent
build as well as trying a variation of my earlier build. And with that said, f does = ma which matters when
something is rotating. And this is why I'll need to build my own design next. That will give me the
opportunity to try 2 variations of what I've built. And in support of what I've said, I'll make a video that
explains my reasoning and how Occam's Razor can allow for more than 1 possible solution.
And as witnesses said, they heard 8 knocking sounds per revolution. There is a solution that allows for
that and it's not what people would think. This would probably require a new frame for the wheel but that
might be doable.
I'll be doing 2 other tests after I make another video. One is testing 8 weights with 2 being
lifted and the other would be having weights roll towards the axle. With the 2nd one, it'd be
seeing how well just having the weight at the bottom and to the right of the axle on the
wheel. This gets into f = ma. And to explain that, I'd need to show how that allows for more
or quicker acceleration.
Actually an Mt 1 type (not loose balls rolling around the wheel) with the retraction disc might work. I'll need to add a rim to try it. Then I could remove the braces between arms. Once the weight going up the left side rolls to the axle, the net overbalance will increase. This is where using a spring could shoot the weight out away from the axle.
8 weight wheels lifting the top weights won't gain anything. Bessler did build a lot of wheels so he probably used a process of elimination. I do have my own design to finish designing as well. And if that gets built first, that's okay because I do have my own situation to resolve. And with Bessler, to redo it will take time.
With an iteration of Mt 1, in the attached image, the weight is closer to the hub. This would combine
Mt 1 with weights move towards and away from the axle while Bessler used a drum to lift weights. As
I know, a weight moving in on the left side is the same as a weight being lifted on the right side. And
in math, the inverse is always true. What is meant by this is that when the weight on the left moves
towards the axle, it increases net torque. When a weight is lifted, it increases net torque as well.
One reduces resistance by about 1/2 while the other increases work by about 1/2. And with Occam's
Razor, the simpler idea should've been tried first. It'll be easy enough for me to mount 2 weights close
to the hub and it will most likely rotate 90°. What would need to be seen is the weight on the left
rolling in while the wheel rotates. That would mean removing the braces in its way and adding 2
temporary braces on the outside of the wheel. And if that works well then that would most likely be
what Bessler did.
And with using springs, they would exert the same force as the mass of the weight. If the wheel
rotates well enough, then torque from the wheel could slowly increase the compression of the spring.
Then when released, the weight wheel could quickly move outward. The first iteration of this is
after verifying by testing would be to modify the frame for this.
But I'll be focusing on the design work for the water wheel. Then I'll be able to start looking for someone
to build it for me. I need surgery and the water wheel would buy me time for building the last iteration
of what I've been building if I need the time.
p.s., I just did a very basic test and the acceleration was amazing. And I know people won't believe me
and that's okay. This will also create a slight problem. The screw the retraction line attaches to can't fit
between the discs. A "toggle" type mechanism can be built. And I might make the modification necessary
to do an actual test. I will because then I'd know once and for all if it can work. Then the question becomes
make it known or wait until I have a working wheel?
Thanks to my new "toy" (an oscillating cutting/sanding tool) I'll be able to clean out the inside of the arms.
Then I could extend the tracks for the weight wheels along the entire length of the arm. Then that would
leave routing a rim for the outside of the wheel. Still, I need to make a video showing lifting weights doesn't
work but suggests that a weight rolling in might. This is simply because a weight can roll in in less than
22.5° of rotation and this decreases the force necessary to rotate the wheel according to f = ma. Lifting a
weight actually increases the amount of force needed to rotate the wheel.
This is how it works. With this, it would make 4 knocking sounds per revolution.
The only reason it stops rotating is because the lines that retract the weight wheel
stop it from continuing on.
And with 4 weight wheels and 90+ degrees of rotation, what would allow for
something to work. And with a female wood worker that I am acquainted with, she
can build the water wheel. I want to do a show in Utrecht, Netherlands. And what she
builds could be a part of that show. Then girls could say that a woman can do more
than cook, clean and make babies when she becomes a young woman.
From my perspective, because of tests that I did years ago I was looking for the
missing momentum and found it. With that said, how to build it? That part is often
overlooked. I will be editing that video a little for what I publish on my YouTube channel. In
that video I will add text that states that the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics as well
as Newton's Laws of Motion allow for conservation of energy. And a machine powered by
gravity is a perpetual motion machine.
The technical argument is that gravity has no energy so it cannot be conserved. Gravity
is a force yet f = ma does not apply because NOTHING creates a gravitational field. I also
am well versed in physics because of my interest in atmospheric chemistry and physics.
Basically what allows for gravity also allows for Coulomb's Law;
https://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/estatics/Lesson-3/Coulomb-s-Law
My video; https://youtu.be/obOjcxhmIcs
p.s., @Tarsier79, why not show this video in Bessler's wheel?
The 2 links to Eddie and the Cruisers clips kind of show what happens when 2 things work together.
p.s., I am aware that witnesses said that 8 knocking sounds per revolution were heard. And it might
require 8 weight wheels. And it's possible that because of better bearings and lubricants today that
only 4 weight wheels would be needed.
WhaT HELPED TO MAKE bRUCE sPRINGSTEEN FAMOUS; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgIsyoxZ7Uw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxrz00XSOAo
I ordered a table saw today. I figured out my best plan of action. I'll be building the underwater wheel.
I'll also be finishing the 4 weight wheel design. I doubt using 4 weights will work out of water. Realistically speaking, I'd say 6 weights.
What I'll be doing is making a large aquarium. I've let a YouTuber know I'll let them have the tank build if they want it. My design works and I have surgery while they have an aquarium for their home. And I'd still have Bessler's wheel. With the table saw I bought, making an 8 armed frame would be too easy. And with the basic demonstration, what would keep me from trying 8 weights?
This is a better demonstration. I also explained the "Keel Effect" which people were meant to accept. And in the description is the reason why scientists say that perpetual motion is impossible, gravity has no energy. And I might be able to get a 4 weight wheel working. With what I'll be building next, it will be a lighter frame that encourages the weights to roll out above the axle.
I think why this rotated better is that I removed a 1/4 inch thick spacer on each side of the wood wheels and then aligned everything better. With something like this, understanding f = ma and moment of inertia helps. This is because it helps to show where energy is being developed and what it's being spent on.
https://youtu.be/hxMdvrDcEcI
p.s., I also got my table saw (not the best but it will do) and I'll need to buy a shop vac to hook up to it.
If I can build something nice then maybe one day I'll have a shop.
p.s.s., with what's in the video, not worth sharing if it works. Perpetual motion is supposed to be special. I wouldn't want to be the person who disappoints people that way.
I made a basic routing table. The routing table isn't finished. You can see the router underneath it. I have some parts that I'll need to shape. I'll be uploading a new video showing what I built can work. It rotates 90° and then the next weight rolls out. That shows it can reset the weights so it repeats it's movement 4 times per rotation. I'll need to make a mechanism to kick the weights outward.
p.s., I"ve already shot the video, I just need to edit it. For"fun", I'll be adding a Ken Burns effect. Probably a couple of them. As shot, it shows it can work. What people will not understand is why scientists use the 2nd law of thermodynamics to say that perpetual motion is impossible.
p.s.s., it is odd. Proof will be shown. That has never happened so why now? And you'll see my work.
I'll be making a proper video for my YouTube channel. With this video, it is proof that the mechanics that
I've been learning can work. What people need to be mindful of is that I say this is Johann Bessler's work and it is not mine.
I am merely recreating his work. I do have some work left to do and have started on a proper build. People need to be
mindful that this is a prototype.
With all of that said, I should've been allowed to enjoy pursuing this. I am not German and it is not a part of my history. The secret
is that instead of the drum rotating, the wheel rotates.
Das Triumphirende Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum
Around the firmly placed horizontal axis is a rotating disc (low or narrow cylinder) which resembles a grindstone. This disc can be
called the principle piece of my machine. Accordingly, this wheel consists of an external wheel (or drum) for raising weights which
is covered with stretched linen.
https://besslerwheel.com/writings/das_triumphans.html
The link to my video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s26HbfwDFz8
In the video, I am pointing to the 3 weights in this drawing of Bessler's. And when combined with Mt 1 Bessler hid everything in plain sight.
p.s., I also have my pc up and running again. And now I might buy text books for analytical trig and calculus 1 & 2. Online courses can only
cover so much.
@Tarsier79, you might as well repost this in besslerwheel.com. Of course it's not perpetual motion until AB Hammer's name is on it. It working
doesn't matter because there is the keel effect. Even Bessler's pendulums show the keel effect. What people missed is that Bessler was showing
the spikes driven into Jesus when he was on the cross. Add the head or 4th weight and you have the right motion. It is odd that Christians like
rlortie and ab hammer didn't know what Bessler was referencing in his drawings. After all, Bessler was a devout Christian who wanted to start
a Christian engineering school. :)
p.s.s, with the Merseburg wheel (the last image), there are 3 crosses. And when Jesus was crucified, there were 3 crosses. Christians base
their faith on there being 3 crosses. because Jesus was crucified with 2 thieves.
@All, I have contacted the librarian in the Netherlands and he'll see the video. And he has an original Bessler book. Just Google Utrecht University
and Johann Bessler if you want to see it.
A better video. The song is One Word by the German rock bandThe Gäs.
https://youtu.be/FbYZnqys_9A
This is some of what I am doing for the next iteration. Mahogany plywood and oak rails for the arms. I'll need to be careful ripping the 1/4 x 1 1/2 x 48 pieces so
the plywood doesn't tear. With what I have shown, I need to make assemblies that will kick out the weight wheels. Since I can't always use my power tools because
I have neighbors it might take a while,. ie. 3 or 4 weeks. And since that will basically be the last item then if the wheel can actually work then that will be known.
With the next build, it should look pretty sharp. And when I only use 4 of the 8 arms, the 4 arms not used can have weight wheels added at a later date. Then at
that time how much work they can do might become known. You know, like powering a hoist to lift a pallet from the ground to the 2nd story of a building. After that,
how much water could be pumped or electricity generated? It could serve a humanitarian purpose as some have mentioned.
What's shown is a part that I need to make. The large round peg will go through the retraction disc. Then as the wheel
rotates the triangle will hit it. Then the triangle will rock very quickly moving everything to the right 1/4 of an inch. It's not
the distance but how hard the impact is. It's be like shooting pool or billiards.
Then because the weight wheel assembly will be moving quickly, it will be able to release the retraction line. This is where
math helps to understand what to try. Taking a line from following a radius to following an ellipse shortens the distance
between 2 points. Not as much as a straight line but more than following the radius. I just want people to know that in my
opinion, the time I spent relearning or learning new math helped. And this is in terms of years of learning.
And with what I call the "kicker", I designed that in my head. The reason for 4 points for a square dowel to go through is
because it limits the surface area that it moves over. This in turn reduces resistance. And with wood, if it is oiled it will
readily move. And this allows for a tighter movement which doesn't waste motion or energy. And now you're asking why use
a triangle? This allows the triangle to rotate on its fulcrum or axis of rotation. Trying to have 2 surfaces his each other that
moves laterally would create resistance. This is because the "cue" would be moved upward causing it to bind. It's a "little"
trick but one that will make a difference.
Isn't it interesting how I expect a 1/4 inch lateral movement to allow the wheel to work? And with a working wheel, I will
prove that gravity does indeed have energy. This gets into physics and it is a pet peeve of mine that scientists believe that
gravity is metaphysical. They're only validating your daily horoscope. Does the universe have an energy that affects us? I
don't know. Yet gravity does so life is strange.
p.s., it will take me at least 2 weeks to make the necessary assemblies. The work I'll be doing on my next build gives me
something to do. I do have neighbors so I do need to limit how much I use my noisy power tools. Use my bench top drill or
orbital sander is allowed. Using my jigsaw, router, miter or table saw has to be limited.
With all of that said, having an actual wheel that shows it can work allowed to me to consider what I needed to do. This is
a part of research and development. That's basically problem solving one step at a time.
p.s.s., with my previous post, I ripped a lot of 3/8 x 1/2 x 48 inch long rectangular dowels. Once glued to a board then they'll
be cut again to make the tracks for the weight wheel assemblies.
I got my new miter saw today. I'll be well prepared for finishing my current build and starting on my next one.The attached image.
THX4 has something that might work if modified. There are 2 reasons why I build the weight wheel assemblies the way I did.
With perpetual motion, it is about conserving momentum. And this gets into a nasty discussion about what relationship kinetic
energy has with it. Science hasn't gone there yet unless you consider MC^2 which is not about a photon of light having both
an angular and linear velocity of "c". I actually got banned from a physics forum for saying that's what it represents.
Einstein was into what propagated the motion of light and how light interacted with the space it was in. His work isn't viewed
in that context so that might explain why it's debated today. And Bessler said that his weights rolled in a track. Physics was new
then so Bessler might have realized a basic principle of physics without having realized it. He just new things moved faster one
way rather than the other.
p.s., over time working at something allows people to collect a few tools to work with.
p.s.s., Next week the video I'll be showing will allow anyone wanting to replicate my build will see the details.
Quoteil s'agit de conserver l'élan
https://youtu.be/8akaHx9La9A (https://youtu.be/8akaHx9La9A)
Salut John,
Il y a bien sûr gravité + inertie, et pour le reset, il suffirait de boucher les trous pendant un temps très court pour transformer la roue en disque d'inertie, il n'y a rien d'autre à comprendre.... C'est ça le secret lol.
Il y a juste un petit problème, en ce qui me concerne, je n'ai pas encore trouvé comment.
Si quelqu'un trouve en effet comment la "physique classique" peut bien dormir.
A++
Quote from: thx4 on March 05, 2022, 04:48:56 AM
https://youtu.be/8akaHx9La9A (https://youtu.be/8akaHx9La9A)
Salut John,
Il y a bien sûr gravité + inertie, et pour le reset, il suffirait de boucher les trous pendant un temps très court pour transformer la roue en disque d'inertie, il n'y a rien d'autre à comprendre.... C'est ça le secret lol.
Il y a juste un petit problème, en ce qui me concerne, je n'ai pas encore trouvé comment.
Si quelqu'un trouve en effet comment la "physique classique" peut bien dormir.
A++
On Monday I will send you a patent application. I will be able to apply for a Provisional patent for us with the USPTO.
https://www.uspto.gov/patents/basics/types-patent-applications/provisional-application-patent
When I submit a copy with copied signatures, they will not accept it. What that will do is allow for the time it takes to mail a copy with actual signatures.
Then they will be able to continue with the patent application.
After I send you the copy so we can have documentation that it is our invention, then I will post the design and the math in here. And please consider
how well this rotates, it shows that I understand the math.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbYZnqys_9A
J'avais peur que tu sois contrarié.
p.s., I just verified the math and by averaging the minimum and maximum over balance, there is a strong chance of it working.
Nous pouvons déposer en ligne. Puisque vous allez le construire, je peux payer les frais de dossier de 75 $.
C'est si vous souhaitez travailler ensemble.
https://www.uspto.gov/patents/apply
I got a lot of work done between yesterday and this morning. I'll probably need to buy a new bench top drill press. I followed the assembly instructions when I bought
mine 3 years ago. It said to use the work surface parts are placed on to push the chuck (drill head) into place. This bent something and the holes don't go straight
through the board. Next weekend I'll be able to finish the parts I've got the primary shape and dimensions for. I'll be able to post some before and after pictures so
everyone will know how I'm going about making parts. My new tools allowed me to do more in less time. I even made a 1 3/4 inch by 1 3/4 inch by 20 inch long block.
The way I was going to make the brackets to hold the parts that will be used like a pool cue went from 4 different pieces to being only 1 piece. The image shows how
I changed the bracket. And basically yesterday I wasted a lot of time trying to make an overly complicated design. A round hole will also have 4 points of contact with a
square dowel. There will be room for the dowel to move inside the hole. 4 points of contact means less resistance. If a 1 inch in diameter hole is drilled, then there will
be 1/16th of an inch of play at all 4 corners. Doing a lot math is helpful for something like this or any build.
p.s., you can see where I tried routing a radius. End grain tends to tear. If you consider the long arm coming towards you, when the triangle by it's the square dowel, everything will kick to the right. The square blocks will be attached to the arm. I should be able to rout the holes they need. Not as simple as drilling a hole but I won't need to buy another drill press.
I've been checking the alignment on everything. With my previous 4 weight test, it's possible the axle was rubbing against the inside of the disc.
With the first image, the weight wheels have only a small gap between them. Why this matters is for when the cue will kick them out. The second
image shows where I used screws to lock the axles for the wheels in place. I'll need to change to a 1/2 x 2 x 3 5/8 board. Then they'll be solid and
won't have any screws interfering with their moving up to the cue.
I might only have Sunday morning to get any real work done so will need to be prepared to make the best use of my time. I am also going to start
doing an actual design for the next iteration of this build. I've already ripped a lot of wood that I'll need for it. Most likely it will be a completely new
build. Then the difference between a prototype (learning how to build it) and what it allows for can be seen.
This is the next build that I've already started work on. By having the arms extend upward at a 45º before move outward is the weight wheels
will be able to rollout above the level of the axle. This will increase the amount of torque that the wheel can generate. It will have a radius of 43
inches or 1.09 m.
I'll need to do a couple of drawings so I'll get the details right. It will have a ring for pulleys. That will be a part of the hub assembly and will not
be a part of what I'm showing now. And in this build I will be doing a lot more detail work. And this is why I've bought so many new tools for. I
know what I'm doing now.And it might take only 1 or 2 months for this build to be built instead of a few years. An example is I'll probably have
the hub core finished this weekend. That's the octagon in the middle of the wheel. And I like how well it fits together. I used 8 pieces of wood and
they formed a nice square. I'm gluing together where the red clamps are. This is because the fitting on top will need to be inserted before all 4
sides can be assembled or if you like the Borg Collective, they will be assimilated.
I have ordered boot laces for retraction lines and sometime next week I'll have them. I have some aluminum grommets that I can compress so
they'll be locked onto just as wires or cables are secured. If you look at a utility pole that has wires supporting it, look at the banding they use. I'm
just using smaller grommets which can be crimped.
p.s., SketchUp does have a smoothing tool I could use to make the rims more circular. That could take up a lot more memory on my computer
while not changing what I need to know. Basically if things work out for me and I continue on projects like this, I'll need to get a better computer
and subscribe to SketchUp Pro. At the moment this is just a serious hobby for me and inexpensive tools and computers work for now.
p.s.s., with the long arms that go away from the center of the wheel, their length doesn't matter. This is because I can trim them close to the
outside of the rim before routing them flush with it. The difficult part will be getting the rim to be circular. At 86 in. or 2.18m in diameter, it's not small.
And when it will be assembled in sections this might require allowing for it to be trimmed after it's on the wheel. And that is not a fun thing to think
about. But builds like this do present their challenges. It's like these 3 kids saw an obstacle and went up and over it.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CaSOISaKESM/?utm_medium=copy_link&fbclid=IwAR1iciw5b4pGobbunr1bjuIFYYPcU8MtADeFqmzVpN6gEqOBxYS56V4c3aw
Good job, have you an idea when you device will be finished ?
Quote from: activ25 on March 11, 2022, 04:17:34 PM
Good job, have you an idea when you device will be finished ?
Thanks. It could be another 2 to 3 weeks. I'm hoping I can make most of the parts I need tomorrow. Once I have all of the mechanical
items finished I'll need to work on the catch and release mechanism. Then the lines that hold onto the weights can be released. It
shouldn't be too difficult to get that working right.
p.s., what is a bit frustrating everyone is I bought a shop vac and as it turns out they do not make adapters so they can be connected
to the dust ports on miter saws or table saws. Fortunately I happen to have some neoprene and will need to make my own. Then with
shrink wrap they might even look professionally made.If they work out well then I might advertise on Ebay for custom made vacuum
couplings. That's where I was going to make a sleeve for my tablet.
But for tomorrow I happened to have bought duct tape. Am trying to work cleaner.
The pictures are of the hub core for my next build. I still need to add 1/4 x 1 1/2 inch slots on all 8 sides. I might wait until
next weekend to rout them or by a tool for my drill press and it might go more quickly. This will allow for all 8 arms to be
equally spaced and positioned. Also this hub core was the last thing I worked on today. I have some minor detailing to do
for the parts that I cut for my current build.
Surprisingly enough, it does take some time to drill, glue and cut wood. This is because everything has to be set up and
adjusted. And with what I need to do or want to do so I can get the parts I cut ready to mount, I'll do that as the week go by.
I'll also post some pictures which will show the stages of manufacturing that parts go through. This will help everyone to
understand why it takes time to build something. Even with THX4 he isn't showing how he writes his programs or designs his
parts which I am sure can require a lot of time and work.
And by letting everyone know about the manufacturing process, if anyone wants to build a Bessler type wheel of their own,
this will help them. An example is when cutting the kickers, I went with the 31.5º angle which can be locked into on my miter
saw. I wanted 30º but a preset lock position is simpler. And then I found that if I used a spacer when fastening blanks to a
piece of wood, a stop can be used so all cuts will be the same., on each cut of the kickers, I just rotated the saw so I could
cut both angles before switching the blanks I was cutting. Before I realized that I was removing one piece and then fastening
another piece to make one cut. Basically I reduced the amount of work that I did. And if things work out with my current build,
people will know of one source to get some build tips from.
With the hub core for my next build, I quit trying to measure it because everything was being cut at a 45º angle. So instead,
after making 2 cuts I would measure their faces. I did walk around all 8 sides so material would be removed evenly and any
adjustment that I made to the fence would be the same for all 8 sides. This is where if cutting 2 or 3 faces then you adjust the
fence, if you have the wrong face against the fence then you might've just ruined all of your work and will have to start over
again. Why cutting all 8 sides before making an adjustment can save you from making a serious mistake.
And with the shop vac (shop vacuum), it didn't seem to suck up much saw dust. But if you look at the picture of the run off table,
it's shelf is clean. Previously it would have a lot of saw dust on it. What the shop vac did was to create a dead air space under the
table saw. This kept about all of the saw dust in one place which makes cleanup so much easier.
p.s., if you look closely, you'll see a metal part inside the hub core. I'll be using a 1/4 inch diameter bolt or screw to lock the axle
into place. Because this will push those parts into the wood, when I used a step countersink it created a soft area for that part to
go into. Still, when it's called trial and error or research and development, that's when people learn for themselves what works for them.
There is a YouTube channel called Alizee DeFan. I think it was actually Alizee who did the channel.
We did exchange a few messages and context can be telling. ie., how or what a person says. I think
it was her way of promoting women in music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq-aTe77bkA
Alizee DeFan; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBAiheqyB8Q
Donc le C(h)ampus der Elysien [ Helden-/Mars(ianer)/Zermarterte-Feld/Fuersten-Feld )] I would not das Kindche von der Bettkante wegstossen !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvh-ieuM8yg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvh-ieuM8yg)
Vom Fluszbett der Zeit ,natuerli ! 8) ;D J`aime "freche Fruechtchen",avec creme fraiche !
La Isla Lolita. Aonde ? Lesbos ?
O tempi ,o Mori : https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=alizee+2022 (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=alizee+2022)
Forward to the Past ( like the #126 1rd vid 100% PLAYBACK show )
La Isla (now) Lola,. (comparation Alizee Jacotey , 2000-2021 vids ) PT shout : " Bola !" ::) ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZZw8NyPq8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZZw8NyPq8)
Watt se nur an der Kersche ham`? :P
https://www.obstbau-steegmaier.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Produkte_Kirschen_Kirschen-969x591.jpg (https://www.obstbau-steegmaier.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Produkte_Kirschen_Kirschen-969x591.jpg)
Salut
OCWL
Quote from: lancaIV on March 14, 2022, 05:48:29 AM
Donc le C(h)ampus der Elysien [ Helden-/Mars(ianer)/Zermarterte-Feld/Fuersten-Feld )] I would not das Kindche von der Bettkante wegstossen !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvh-ieuM8yg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvh-ieuM8yg)
Vom Fluszbett der Zeit ,natuerli ! 8) ;D J`aime "freche Fruechtchen",avec creme fraiche !
La Isla Lolita. Aonde ? Lesbos ?
O tempi ,o Mori : https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=alizee+2022 (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=alizee+2022)
Forward to the Past ( like the #126 1rd vid 100% PLAYBACK show )
La Isla (now) Lola,. (comparation Alizee Jacotey , 2000-2021 vids ) PT shout : " Bola !" ::) ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZZw8NyPq8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZZw8NyPq8)
Watt se nur an der Kersche ham`? :P
https://www.obstbau-steegmaier.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Produkte_Kirschen_Kirschen-969x591.jpg (https://www.obstbau-steegmaier.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Produkte_Kirschen_Kirschen-969x591.jpg)
Salut
OCWL
I think she started this channel; https://www.youtube.com/c/AlizeeDefan
A young Asian girl now promotes female musicians from around the world.
p.s., original La Isla Bonita where she dreams of Pedro; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpzdgmqIHOQ
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=la+isla+bonita+text+song
"Madonna" ,Madonna Louise Ciccone,her songs ( and audio-video ) are to understand bivalent (terrestrical/ "heavenly"-spiritual ) : https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kabbala?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Not a common Pedro but "San Pedro" ! "La Isla bonita" a kind of "Heaven in Social P(e)ace" !
A kind of "love song",for some blasphemy/haeresy !
Sincerely
OCWL
Quote from: lancaIV on March 14, 2022, 07:16:04 PM
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=la+isla+bonita+text+song
"Madonna" ,Madonna Louise Ciccone,her songs ( and audio-video ) are to understand bivalent (terrestrical/ "heavenly"-spiritual ) : https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kabbala?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Not a common Pedro but "San Pedro" ! "La Isla bonita" a kind of "Heaven in Social P(e)ace" !
A kind of "love song",for some blasphemy/haeresy !
Sincerely
OCWL
Then "Spanish Lullaby" means when I go to sleep (and when I die) I am in Heaven. Dir hutt Recht, fir e puer wier dat Gotteslästerung.
Vläicht si mir schonn am Himmel? Wa mir op der Venus liewen, wier d'Äerd am Himmel (double entendre meant here). Et ass just eng Saach vu Perspektiv.
Quote from: lancaIV on March 14, 2022, 07:16:04 PM
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=la+isla+bonita+text+song
"Madonna" ,Madonna Louise Ciccone,her songs ( and audio-video ) are to understand bivalent (terrestrical/ "heavenly"-spiritual ) : https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kabbala?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Not a common Pedro but "San Pedro" ! "La Isla bonita" a kind of "Heaven in Social P(e)ace" !
A kind of "love song",for some blasphemy/haeresy !
Sincerely
OCWL
With this video, she looks like Alizee Defan; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDDpNaQxn6E
If that is her, we did exchange a few messages. It's possible that my recognizing her got her to have
someone else take over her YouTube channel. If her fans found out then it wouldn't be about her
promoting young women in music. I should've just kept my mouth shut but then the picture of her
would've become know to others eventually.
Alizee Defan; https://www.youtube.com/c/AlizeeDefan
And then we're back to Bessler's wheel. What about his Maschinen Tractate? http://www.orffyre.com/mt.html
Recognize anything? Je suis une Americain (almost, the 1/2 Norge kind of kills it).
#130 : nether sentence seems to be an 1:1 phonetics to letter translation ,from Duden and Bibliografische Institute conditioning free translation, personal freelance perspectivity ! ( Language anarcho !? :o ;D ;) )
The scandinavian Genom-part their musicality survived ! 8) ' Junger Wilder ' Artist ,' against all Odds,not Odin ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bubOcI11sps
To #131 Bessler wheel I will look after : not here and yet ! ( ::) ) Here,but later ! :)
MfG
OCWL
Quote from: lancaIV on March 15, 2022, 09:20:41 PM
#130 : nether sentence seems to be an 1:1 phonetics to letter translation ,from Duden and Bibliografische Institute conditioning free translation, personal freelance perspectivity ! ( Language anarcho !? :o ;D ;) )
The scandinavian Genom-part their musicality survived ! 8) ' Junger Wilder ' Artist ,' against all Odds,not Odin ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bubOcI11sps
To #131 Bessler wheel I will look after : not here and yet ! ( ::) ) Here,but later ! :)
MfG
OCWL
There was then but there is now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZoJiTP5XZo
And where you came from; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOeP4p1fjMs
Been there, done that. Today it's either Suicide Squad or Alice in Chains; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nco_kh8xJDs
From my father's country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914 and from France; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPtnetrVOTE
Because I live in the U.S.I told AB Hammer, rlortie and their friends https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GHN1Mu6VG0
And for you, there is much love; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTuD8k3JvxQ
Maybe the German perspective of my situation? Play it over your home stereo and kill the treble and amp up the bass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMJiZxw6Ef4
I happen to like this video and while I am not deaf, I don't have normal hearing. It is possible that I'll create a field in
science called atmospheric chemistry and astrophysics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUh4JnmcyAE
Basically both Einstein and Newton missed something in their work. And Bessler's wheel would help to explain it.
Gravity has energy.
This is Suicide Squad I didn't link; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUh4JnmcyAE
grave to gravity leve to levity
The nudibranch compared slug with 'house' weight velocity,normal-average and maximum
Is being still ( standing,sitting,laying)~no (external,visible)movement not the best input/output ratio case ?
The vid dog,bulldog tipo Mastinho, its weight and velocity,normal,average and maximum
Is being still ( ...) .......... not the best input/output ratio case ?
input/output ratio from a.pressure b.force c. energy d power
movere to mover and motere to motor : why the difference,target ~ motiv(e) ?
motiv substantive image to verbe motivare
votive word /"inner" voice votare
MOTIVATIONSTRENGHT versus Masse(n)traegheit/INERTIA ( the law of least resistance)
MOTIVATION-FREEDOM degrees : rotatory,translatory,linear ( mechanical or swing/wave)
dignitas and angustia dignity and "Angst"/fear/Ehre(Furcht)/hono(u)r
The gravity from "sound and words and image " effect energetical : CYMATICS videos !
A right ,in ortographic manner - by layman - and meaning and communication partner understanding and time investment for clarification - by each side repeat and ever review
against from understanding from foreign ( for one from the expression user ) term and meaning or use in social class or generation class or locality
Discussion in p(e)ace or aggressive manner,for both sides win/win or one side lost : defeat,capitulation,death !
CYMATICS vids shows the chance/risc about right/wrong communication instrument use,included memory info storage [instinct : DNA/RNA and Chromo-(image)Som(sound,speak) )]and the danger/luck for good/bad first impression ' compensation/revanche' !
A word ,an image, can be like a weapon/bomb in energetic effect ! Mobbing ! Fake society parts !
People,which use foreign expressions - by good intention - in the wrong place/time/context !
Friend or Foul !?
The basic intention in ou.com : the free energy machine
Bessler wheel : Hjulkors,Sunwheel,Suncycle :
Sun(or Son or Sonn) -Planet-wheel(s)Transmission to Automatic Transmission to Gyro gear
wmbr
OCWL
p.s.: and never forgetting that we are human ,with concentration/or not,with 100%rules and laws application/or not,with body deficiencies ( since birth,by genetics, or over our life,by organs and extremities friction )
Nobody is,will be,perfect !
Either not the Superduper-Robot from BOSTON DYNAMICS integrated wit CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA mind structure and NSA data as commercial info base source !
Cave te ,U.S.A. !
SYN-DAEMON-MySelf-Question !?
0/1 to -1/0/1 to ≤ -1/0/≥ 1
Fight Song : the blindes seeing,the deaf hearing,the mute the voice or learning : Body Language
GESTICULATION ,do not speak ( or write), ( yust) DO IT ! YET
Margerite -scopie(or other flower/plant) : he/she(/it) loves me,not,loves,not
In mind : Fort-Pflanzung ( lovely :-* / Commercial :-[ reproduction )
Nun,hinfort with me,tschau,vale bene,mas va !
p.s. II : GESTICULATION and the ' face language ' ,her as female and its as personality : ars avec /sans Ceo/Soul
MICROCOSMONAUT* to MACROCOSMOS* ,anybody outthere ? Feedback !?
The Art of Noise/ly - silently(underwriting/underdesigning) - Communication
The drill press I bought came with a small vice. It's handy because when I have a lot of holes to drill, I can
do production runs which makes it much easier for me. One the face that is shown, it will have a 1 inch hole
drilled in about the center.
Then the square dowel will go through it. I'm going to add some more detail to the dowel before I cut it to the
lengths that I need. The reason the dowel is so large is a smaller dowel might bend and that would decrease
how hard it would be hitting the weight wheel.
This coming weekend I should have everything assembled except for the catch and release mechanism. The
slot around the disc is 1/2 inch wide. I might widen the area where the retraction lines will be caught. This
would allow for 2 to be seated next to each other. This is because as one line is being caught another is being
released. Then they wouldn't interfere with each other.
With the 2nd picture, various parts that will make the Kicker Assembly. I had to remove wood from the rectangular
blocks on my table saw and then I had to clean them up. With the triangle, I used a 30º angle. This is because as
it hits a round dowel that will go through the side of the disc, the vertical drop will be about 1/2 of an inch. On my
next build I'll probably use a compound angle. This simply means that the points on each side will move in at about
a 45º angle intersecting with a 15º angle coming up from the bottom. It'll be a nice aesthetic I think.
And the rectangular blocks by the weight wheels will need to be shortened 1/4 of an inch. Then I won't need to use
screws to hold the 2 sides and the axles in place. And the extra weight can only help. It does seem that either next
week or the week after that it'll be known if my last video was actually correct in showing it could work.
I thought I'd add a picture of how the cue and its guide turned out. It was close on the dimensions but then that will
direct most of the movement towards the weight wheel.
#134 :
time-line
1972 our family,I too, visited Fatima/Ourem/PT https://www.fatima.pt/de/ (https://www.fatima.pt/de/)
1984 Munich Fuerstenackerstr. , the house in which we lived by rent condition , landlady A. Ratzinger -Beck ( R.I.P. ,last year Aug.)
(nephew from a cardinal,later bishop from Rome)
ground floor she living second floor above : to hear inside and outside https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw7QcRIEngY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw7QcRIEngY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4FNqRRl8Ak
Life Is A Mystery ;) We,A.R.-Beck and I trusted us each other ! And I heared "dirty laundry" about the R.-baggage ! ??? :( Rating: --
Back to CONSTRUCTIVISM :
the italian B1 class patent application IT1265815 SELF-PROPELLED SCOOTER or Monopattino Semoventi
from Aurelio Spoglianti ,1996 living in Riolo Terme/Ravenna/ITA
complicated ? confidential ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19940207&CC=IT&NR=RA920015A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19940207&CC=IT&NR=RA920015A1&KC=A1#)
Bessler in kind of "scooter wheel" ?!
Skol
OCWL
This cover of Jethro Tull's Locomotive Breath is by Sina-Drums of Germany. Between my medical situation (all time loser) and the need
to build a working wheel (can't slow down), I can relate to it. And with Sina-Drums, she's called what I'm building "my wheel". In a sense it is.
Bessler used a different construction technique and might have invented mercury amalgam (think a dentist's silver fillings for your teeth) for
his bearings. He did give a description of what allowed his wheel to rotate on the axle and it was 3 elements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW4NP8SgIRc
With what I am working on now, some of the details I'll be adding are just for practice. Once I have the cues mounted,
I'll be able to place the dowel through both discs. Fortunately I have 2 48" T-squares. I'll be able to clamp a block on each
one and then clamp a level to it so they'll be square to the discs. Basically they'll be flat against it. This will be critical
because the kickers on both sides will need to work at the same time. If not then the weight wheel might become jammed
by the uneven movement. After I have it set up I'll post some pictures to show what I mean. That will probably be early
next week.
A good morning (PT-time)wishing , "Johnsmith" !
KREIS CRIS/-E/-IS SPIN
https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kreisel?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kreisel?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
the ccw or cw principle !?
and principle
ccw + cw = c²
RESISTANCE ?
Title : RESONATOR,SELBSTLAEUFER,DYNAMO
Risc : RESONANZ-KATASTROPHE,the point of no return ( HYPER-RAUM theory)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonanzkatastrophe (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonanzkatastrophe)
ANSWER ?
cinetics :
in FREE ENERGY Scene not an unknown NAME,inventor
Heinrich Kunel
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=heinrich+kunel&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=heinrich+kunel&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
unseen,unanalyzed(by mostly)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=13&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19771103&CC=DE&NR=2617553A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=13&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19771103&CC=DE&NR=2617553A1&KC=A1#)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=sonnen-planeten+rad+getriebe (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=sonnen-planeten+rad+getriebe)
another ,completting,re-/searcher :
Andreas Sumera
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=andreas+sumera&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=andreas+sumera&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
Ruhepunkt der UNRUH,
KIPP-PUNKT
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipppunkt (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipppunkt)
https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kipppunkt?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kipppunkt?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
und/and
https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Unruh_(Uhr)?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Unruh_(Uhr)?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
"Tote(BLIND) Winkel" over-bridging
https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Toter_Winkel?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Toter_Winkel?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
the Holcomb concept "secret" !?
HYPER-RAUM and/or HYPER-ZEIT
' Ueber den Dingen "stehen" '
Gedanken sind Dinge Dinge sind Gedanken
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transzendenz (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transzendenz)
https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Transzendenz?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Transzendenz?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
teleological-philosophical-scientifical = mat(h)ematical R&D answer
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=relativistische+kinematik (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=relativistische+kinematik)
https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kybernetik?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kybernetik?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
ap-plicare an-wenden nutzen use
theory and practizising
an help (possibly potential,"potenzieren") :
entering(META) Your personal BOLISM-CENTERPOINT and self-asking ,and/or following the ,outer-professional(confessional?) MEDI(~Center)-cus/-care(s)/-carrier
self- respondere self-answering
8) ;) ::)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=youtube+don+camillos+r%C3%BCckkehr (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=youtube+don+camillos+r%C3%BCckkehr)
stupid,ashaming,mysterical answers included !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQoxfYycRQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQoxfYycRQ)
Transzendent,eben(~weil es so ist ::) ) [plan(~flat),linear,aber auch mit Kurven ]
" set theory" to "living set practizising" ;) ALL to NIRWANA to ALL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa6k11SnToo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa6k11SnToo)
LIGHT TO DARKNESS
Wishing health improvement and recovery and R&D,by step-for-step,success
wmbr
OCWL
p.s.:
:P Bessler used a different construction technique and might have invented mercury amalgam (think a dentist's silver fillings for your teeth) forhis bearings.1988 a dentist in DACHAU,civil service for the BUND, "repaired" my theeths,13 teeths became opened and filled with that "TEUG" ,amalgamated ! This was my denture RUIN-ation,in progress ! ::) tanloser TEIgar
Quoteccw + cw = c²
RESISTANCE ?
In mechanics and construction , the resonance catastrophe describes the destruction of a building or a technical facility due to excessive vibration amplitudes in the event of resonance .
Die Resonanzkatastrophe bezeichnet in der Mechanik und Konstruktion die Zerstörung eines Bauwerks oder einer technischen Einrichtung durch übermäßige Schwingungsamplituden im Resonanzfall.
With the spinning tops, they can have string wrapped around them so they can be "thrown" to give them a faster spin.
It is possible that Bessler used the pendulum to move counter to his wheel. By this I mean when a weight moves to its overbalanced position, the pendulum would be swinging towards that weight.
Then as that weight swings down, it will generate less torque when it is within 45º of bottom center. This is when the pendulum would start it's downward swing swinging in the same direction the
wheel is rotating. This would allow "chaotic" movement to cause the perpetual mobile (wheel) to rotate at a more consistent velocity/speed.
This is why the pendulum used a cam type mechanism. That would allow for how much the 2 weights at the bottom of the mechanism would rotate as the "spinning top" rotates. Variable timing.
Using such mechanisms might have been to please the observers. Which would amaze you more in 1715? A wheel that accelerates and the slows or one that has a "smoother" rotation? Of course
Bessler might have done it because he liked how the mechanics worked and he could have had some fun with people who wondered how it worked.
If you closely between the 2 views of Wagner's Roaster, it shows that what the external pendulum is connected to. And in the drawing of the wheel, it shows how it is connected to the external pendulum.
This is some of the work I've gotten done and some I will be doing. The first 3 pictures show I squared 2 T squares so I would
have something on each side for locating where the dowels will go through the discs. Once I mark the hole locations I'll need
to remove both discs. Then I can use a forstner bit on my drill press (hopefully).
Then when I had the kicker assembly, I'll be able to make a jig so everything will be mounted the same distance from the axle.
Then when I trim the cues (for lack of a better term) they'll be able to kick the weight wheels outward. The last picture shows
where I chamfered the ends on each side of a weight. This is so when they move to their inner position the pulley mount won't
keep them out. With the short round dowels, I'll be drilling a 1/4 inch hole in the middle. Then I'll use those for spacers on the
weight wheels instead of the more expensive nylon bushings I've been using.
When I get this work done, all that will be left is the catch and release mechanism. And that might after much frustration thinking
about it might actually have a fairly simple solution. And at the end of the day, if this build works then it is an engine or a motor. It
would be performing work which could be mobile. A hydroelectric dam is not an engine because water is what's performing work.
When something is moved or rotated then that is work being conserved. With mass x distance = work. That is actually conserved
work. The energy that requires is work performed by something else. That's if you want it to agree with what is accepted in physics.
I thought I'd show you guys the inside of the weight wheel and what it will look like now. The 2 flat ends on the weight wheel
would form a "T" with the arm. The curved sides move towards or away from the axle. Now I should be in a position where I
can work quietly. And with my situation it will be nice to slow down a little.
While I have the discs off, I might go to a fixed position bearing/axle location. Because I marked which 2 bolts on each side
of the hub that I loosened to take the wheel off of the stand, I can put the axle back in the hub and position it so it is 90º to
the frame.This will add a couple of days of tinkering with it but should allow for a better alignment of all of the different parts.
Basically I'll mount one disc and then the other. With using a dowel to kick parts outward, precise alignment of the axle, frame
and the dowels will matter. And fortunately I now have better tools to work with.
With what is shown with the 2 retraction discs lying side by side, I'll need to chisel out locations for the bolts head to be seated in the retraction disc itself.
Since I'll be using a dead blow hammer I'll need to wait until this weekend to do that. During the week I might be able to finish the wheel itself which includes
the weight wheels. This is about aligning both the left retraction discs, the axle and the frame.
To help with that, I made some 90º position indicators. When one retraction disc is mounted to the stand, these position indicators will show very accurately
how the opposite retraction disc needs to be positioned. This simplifies the build process because it allows for mirroring parts. If you try SketchUp which is free,
when you design something, you can scale it. And if you use the value of -1 to scale something then you get the opposite of what you designed. And this would
give the same bolt hole locations on mirrored parts. And with something like the stand, I could've used these 90º position indicators so the stand would've
been to a specific placement. And for tools like a sliding miter saw, table saw, and a drill press, $500 is pretty cheap to be able to do a decent build.
After this, you get into cordless tools of which I prefer. It's just that having the 3 corded tools makes everything much easier. And with the SketchUp images, if
you look at the lower right of the screen, you'll see where ti says dimension. When selecting something to scale, select the part or assembly and then hit S on
your keyboard. And once you start moving one point type in -1 in the dimension and then hit enter. And then you'll have the opposite part. It's just that when you
check what you're building to, it helps to have an actual drawing.
p.s., With something like an engine (perpetual motion machine) it does make it a lot easier. For building other things, if things don't need to be this precise then
a regular drill, jig and circular saw might be all you need. It's just that a lot of wood that comes from the lumber store might need to be cleaned up as it could
be warped or twisted. If you can find boards that are fairly straight then a 90º tool might let you make accurate 90º cuts.
For anyone considering building something like this or doing other wood working, I would strongly suggest buying a compound square, a
set of L squares and a T square. With the T square, the T can be removed and it can be used as a guide. For about $75 it'll make your life
easier. And when cutting a 45º angle, just remember that 2 45º angles = 90º. Then you'll know if you need to adjust your guide or not. Where
using scrap saves on wasting what you're working on.
And what I might do in the next month or 2 is make a video showing how to make a portable work bench. This would require buying 2 folding
work benches like this https://www.harborfreight.com/tool-storage-organization/workbenches/folding-clamping-workbench-with-movable-pegs-47844.html
If you work outside under a bridge, at a park or in your own backyard, the ground won't be level. This is where the legs would need to be able to
be adjusted. The main issue is not having your work surface wobble. If it's an angle so is everything on it. And working outside can be nice.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/syX61mhTdMwpoG4R9
I am making progress but have more detail that I need to include. The cue in the kicker assembly will need to pass through about 1/4
of the dowel for the pulley mount. I'll need to rout slots for that. And while I cut lag bolts from 3 1/2 inch to 2 3/8 inch in length, I'll probably
go to 4 inch long lag bolts. This way there would be no risk of the dowel snapping from repeated use/the weight wheel being retracted.
I also bought something I've been wanting for a while. It's a calculus 1 text book. Trying to learn online is difficult without the textbook. Once
past algebra and into analytical trigonometry, a textbook will help. Basic calculus will explain that what I've been pursuing can work. That's
one of the reasons that I've stayed with it, math does support it working.
With the math, I also have a couple of science/engineering projects where knowing calculus better will help me. With Bessler's wheel, I'll be
able to better calculate the work a working wheel could do. For people who live off grid or for people who are forced to live off grid, there are
humanitarian groups who would like something like this. It'd simply let them help people in a way they can't help them today.
p.s., it will be interesting to see how much I know that is in this book. It starts out with graphing as an example y = 2x^2 + 4x -5. I already know that.
And there are different universities that have online courses for free. Then with YouTube, with this book being a 3 semester course, maybe I can do
it in 1?
https://youtu.be/F5PfjsPdBzg (https://youtu.be/F5PfjsPdBzg)
Quote from: kolbacict on March 24, 2022, 01:42:10 AM
https://youtu.be/F5PfjsPdBzg (https://youtu.be/F5PfjsPdBzg)
This is the formula for calculating the acceleration of gravity, g = G*M/R^2
G is the universal constant while M is the mass of the body while it is divided by the distance times itself (^2 or squared)
from the center of the mass. A working wheel would prove that gravity has energy. This is because it would be powering
something like an engine. Basically proving perpetual motion will change physics.
This is because they would need to say that the acceleration due to gravity is relative to the energy that gravity has. This
actually gets into astrophysics like Venus is in a denser, more energetic gravitational field than the Earth.
Quote from: Johnsmith on March 25, 2022, 11:19:10 AM
A working wheel would prove that gravity has energy. This is because it would be powering
something like an engine.
Gravity has energy as long as our small mass is at some distance from the large one.
But after our body fell to the ground, it no longer has any energy, right? :)
Quote from: kolbacict on March 25, 2022, 01:17:51 PM
Gravity has energy as long as our small mass is at some distance from the large one.
But after our body fell to the ground, it no longer has any energy, right? :)
That's basically what they say. But what energy got your body off of the ground?
I got all of the work done that I needed to today. Tomorrow I'll need to notch out 4 dowels towards each end. If you look at the dowel
with the pulley on it, it will interfere with the cue (will be square, just an example). The part with the lag bolt in it, how I threaded the holes
for the lag bolts that I shortened. Then I used a nylon bushing with a lag bolt through it to mount the kicker.
Also, the weight wheels are all finished and I like the way they turned out. A few years of development has gone into that design as well as
with everything else. Why if I'm successful people might read this thread. They'll want to understand what I did to make it easier on themselves.
It will take a day or two or 3 to mount all of the parts. I really won't be in a hurry because I want to get it right. Then that will leave the catch
and release mechanism and rigging the lines before attempting to set sail.
p.s., notice how much neater my work bench looks? I'll probably clean out and better organize my work area now.
I've already started on a better build over the last month and will focus on this better build. This can easily add 6 weeks to my schedule.
Since I'd like to do a show at Utrecht University in the Netherlands, it's important for the first working wheel to look nice. With the prototype,
it would show Bessler was successful but at the same time it would be an embarrassment.
Take me to you. I can live in your barn. I am unpretentious. I do not need much.
Some simple food. Some beer. :) What you will say to cut, I will cut. where you say drill, I will drill.
And how many of my own ideas are in my head!
Quote from: kolbacict on March 29, 2022, 02:37:10 AM
Take me to you. I can live in your barn. I am unpretentious. I do not need much.
Some simple food. Some beer. :) What you will say to cut, I will cut. where you say drill, I will drill.
And how many of my own ideas are in my head!
This is the start that I have. I found a video on YouTube that shows a quick and easy way to trim edge banding.
Since I'll need narrow strips, an easy way to do it. As long as my medical situation is manageable then I'll keep
working at this. First impressions do matter and with the prototype, it's more like Frankenstein. ;D
It's always possible that one day you might build one and then I could give you suggestions. I've spent enough
time working on this to where I can consider something and then either put it on paper or use SketchUp to see
how much I like it. And with the first build, it would be better if it's nice enough to be displayed since it is a part of
Saxony, Germany's history.
In Bessler's time, Saxony was a part of Poland. And when Germany became a country in 1849, Saxony was not a part of Germany.
And because Bessler was 1/2 Polish and 1/2 German, not a surprise living in such a place. They say he was born in Zittau, Germany.
Where the red balloon points down to is Zittau,
p.s., I'll be buying a lot of small clamps. Then doing the glue up for what will be the weight wheel track will go quickly. This might
actually be the most time consuming part of what I'm working on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXU2C02Rego&list=LL&index=1
Since Stefan Hartmann is allowing me to post in here, I do appreciate it. This is an extremely toxic subject. When scientists say that perpetual
motion is impossible; https://www.wired.com/story/the-physics-of-a-puzzling-perpetual-motion-machine/
Then we have Newton's 1st Law of Motion; a body is at rest or moving at a constant speed in a straight line, it will remain at rest or keep moving
in a straight line at constant speed unless it is acted upon by an external force.
In the link to why perpetual motion is impossible, did anyone see where an external force was involved? NO? Then you were fooled. Physics is
about the natural order of things while engineering perverts the natural order.
How to explain this to people? This might be one reason why there is a Differential Calculus class in school. What happens when as an example
you have a hot room and a cold room? The barrier will determine what the laws of thermodynamics means. In your home, what insulation do you
have? R-15 or R-19? Do you have single or double pane windows? You'll need to consider multiple variables to determine the heat loss of your
home. And then we can consider the cost of heating it.
Perpetual motion basically uses the same math. The imbalance in the machine cannot restrict or limit its motion. Why such machines have failed
in the past. People simply did not know how to eliminate or reduce resistance to acceptable levels. Kind of why we don't wear long johns today. We
are able to efficiently heat our homes so we don't need undergarments like what used to be needed.
I'll be busy over the next 3 weeks. I might have the frame, weight wheels and retraction discs all rebuilt. This used to
be something that would take me months just because not having the tools at home made everything more difficult.
And I will be paying a lot more attention to detail. This also means that I won't have much to talk about. There is math
that explains what I'm building. And yet most people will not be interested in that. And with Bessler's Wheel, it would
have been nice to have been allowed to work with other people on it. Yet AB Hammer and rlortie did not allow for that.
And when they say they are private builders it begs the question why they were allowed to dominate Engleske
speaking forums (this one and besslwerwheel . com. and even in wood working forums AB Hammer got me banned
because I wasn't personally pleasing to him. Stefan let me know that AB Hammer said I killed someone. Yet if people
look at my YouTube channel, I look nothing like the person AB Hammer claimed me to be yet everyone believed him.
And yet he could've worked with me but told me that's not how Americans work. And when the University of Kentucky
wanted me to give their scientist an experiment that I've been pursuing while I'd get nothing in return, it does seem that
AB Hammer is right about the U.S. And if you consider how many Americans like Trump, it's like going back to Ancient Rome.
They exploited people and its senators fought over control of Rome's wealth.
This is the experiment that I've been pursuing so as a disabled Veteran of the U.S. Navy it'd show that I'm willing to work with
people who aren't disabled Veterans. I'd say over the last few years I've learned the science behind this. What this quote shows is an
observation but not an understanding of why. And with me, if the U.S. was a world leader then it would want to pursue an understanding
of how our atmosphere works and then what solutions might be pursued. As you can read, both the IPCC and NOAA say CO2 is necessary
to protect the ozone layer.
Carbon dioxide (CO2), nitrous oxide (N2O), and methane (CH4) are each important to climate forcing and to the levels of stratospheric ozone (see Chapter 2).
In terms of the globally averaged ozone column, additional N2O leads to lower ozone levels, whereas additional CO2 and CH4 lead to higher ozone levels.
Ozone depletion to date would have been greater if not for the historical increases in CO2 and CH4. The net impact on ozone recovery and future levels of
stratospheric ozone thus depends on the future abundances of these gases.
https://csl.noaa.gov/assessments/ozone/2014/summary/ch5.html
I'll give you guys a hint, conservation of energy/momentum as with perpetual motion would play a role.
With some of the details that I'll need to rout and potentially being limited to Sundays only, it could take another 6 weeks.
Before then I'll have all of the necessary details that I need to know figured out. If I would've used oak board for the frame,
it would've saved on a lot of work. This way, there will be more details and wood working involved in it.
What I'll be working towards is next month. To assemble the frame so it will be square (90º to the axle) I'll need to buy metal
levels and drop a piece of plywood on them to have a nice, flat surface to assemble the frame on. My table saw has a nice,
flat surface to set everything on. To give you an idea, if the frame is off by a small amount, 1 meter from the axle it's no longer
a small amount. And when lines need to stay in the retraction disc and follow what's on the wheel at the same time, alignment
helps. And until then, I'll be working on that and getting what I've built working.
And with what a joke perpetual motion is, a respectable looking build might change some attitudes about it.
And just an FYI, if I start assembling a new frame next month then I'll probably already have a working wheel. If not, why
bother with a new frame or anything else?
and to have some fun with it; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHVm0zRZVBY
p.as., they're Romanian.
And Smaranda is also Romanian; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W_aLQlRxEQ
Andrei is a very talented producer and guitarist and knows some very talented people in Romania. And with
Bessler's Wheel, why be any different?
I have to show Andreea some love; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_y6Lm1Grk
And then there's Little Red Riding Hood; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJNU7MsNe3k
just go to 6 minutes.
With me, what is the deer population? That does matter. What is good for the population?
Kind of why Yellowstone National Park is better because of predators. And guys, ignore her body and good
looks,okay? She's Little Red Riding Hood with good looks and a nice body, what you should ignore.
These 2 images show why you should not like her.
And as for you being a guy, she'll kill and bleed the buck you won't.
And if what I know is right, you won't buy into this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZwqidWvmmE
She eats what she kills. :D
Seriously, what guy could like her? And seriously, she goes by Lil Red Heidi Hood on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwn6vsKSyDJUCUPrpad-dDw
Do you guys really trust a good looking blonde with a nice body?
On Monday I'll buy the last of the wood I need for the time being. It's for the retraction discs. And I'll probably focus on getting the
prototype working so I can show it while I work on the display model. For the surgery I need, it can't happen in the U.S. It'll either
be Puerto Rico or Spain. And if what I know about science is right it would probably be in my best interest to leave the U.S. With what
I'm going through medically, trusting American doctors isn't an option.
As I've been told ever since I was Honorably discharged from the U.S. Navy, the U.S. is about exploitation. The people here don't
have it good enough. Ancient Rome was the same way. And with Spain, they are 5th in the world with wind turbines and I have my
own design.
And with the retraction discs, they might take until the last week of this month. They'll be 1 3/4 inch overall width (thickness) with the
inside track being 1 1/4 inches wide. This should give me time for everything else. So maybe I'll be so close to the display model to where the
prototype won't matter. With me, am tired of suffering and things would've gone better without white supremacy. There was the Jan. 6th
attempt to overthrow the election when Trump lost so there are a lot of people in the U.S. who think things should be the way they want them to be.
I'll be making routing templates for the retraction discs. This way I can build to print. This is where holes for the axle mount or for the rod the kicker
hits will be square and to dimension. That'll make the build easier but it might take a little longer. It does take time to make templates and jigs but
then assembly of all the different parts will be uniform which is what modern manufacturing techniques allows for.
This is where I'll probably need to read more books.
Dr. Jaski is a librarian with the rare book library at Utrecht University in the Netherlands. A quality build would most likely be displayed in Saxony, Germany because
Bessler was the Republic of Saxony. And conveniently everyone involved in the Netherlands and Germany all speak Deutsche. And Bessler wrote the book at Utrecht University
in Deutsche. Since he was 1/2 Polish I wonder if he knew Polish and whether or not he wrote any books in Polish.
I will be making a video showing some of the work that I'm doing and how it allows for a better overall build.
Dr. Jaski,
I am currently building everything new except for the frame. The last video showed it should work.
And for you or anyone at your university to be interested, it will need to be verified and also look nice. This is why I am building everything new except for the frame. It should be a nice display model.
There is a Transylvania University where I live in Lexington, Kentucky, USA. It will most likely be sometime next month when I will be finished with the build. At that time you could contact the university
that I mentioned and ask them to verify it for you.
And then what would be nice is to have it sent to your university so your scientists and engineers could read the digital version of Bessler's book and verify that it is his wheel. This would also allow for
representatives from Saxony, Germany to examine it as well since it is a part of their history. And with that in mind they will know that my build will be donated to a museum of their choosing.
Then they could get a copy of the digital version of your book and have a copy of the book made for their display. That is what I am hoping for.
I actually started pursing this principle in 2015.
This is from 2016. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fNGw46sG6EA
This was my 1st video back in 2013. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7q1aWS26WM
And the attached image is ab hammer saying that he built something in 2016
that I am copying. orpheus.org supported his claim.
And in 2015 this was another video of mine; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoL0I4XbMlw
And it has most of the parts (pulleys are missing) that I'm currently building. And while I show
a video, he shows a picture that looks like none of his previous builds and why no other pictures
or video? Just trying to say I stole his idea how. After all, he'd seen my work so he'd know what
I'd built. Just am not sure why I had to tolerate his garbage because he is trying to steal my work.
This will look bad for orpeus.org. The last image is a member of orpheus.org supporting ab hammer's claims.
@Johnsmith,
It seems like there is always background noise and static. . . . I'd suggest ignoring that all and investing your skill-set and efforts into making a successful, working build :)
truesearch
Quote from: truesearch on April 18, 2022, 02:26:42 PM
@Johnsmith,
It seems like there is always background noise and static. . . . I'd suggest ignoring that all and investing your skill-set and efforts into making a successful, working build :)
truesearch
I'll probably get that forum banned. What they were doing was giving me a choice, give AB Hammer my work or get banned. And this gets into other people's lives.
I need surgery and AB Hammer and his friends don't want me to have it. And if they would have worked with me then John Collins' (he wrote the book everyone quotes)
granddaughter might be able to walk today. I had complications from surgery/infection similar to hers so she'd be collateral damage.
https://nypost.com/2019/03/27/woman-battling-rare-suicide-disease-calls-pain-excruciating/
Basically orpheus.org who owns besslerwheel.com supports white supremacy. Still, I think my build will work which will ask the question, why was Bessler expected
to give his work to Wagner and when he said no, is that when Wagner called him a fraud and had him arrested? It's basically mimicking what happened 300 years ago.
But I have science I can pursue so once my build works and it becomes known, I won't have any need of it anymore and might give it to AB Hammer after I burn it. Then
as an American Christian he'll be able to say that his prayers were answered, he got an invention. And he never said that he wanted the invention to be capable of functioning.
And I could have some fun with this because most people over the years has supported AB Hammer and then he'd know to be careful what he wishes for because he just might get it. ;D :o
I am just going to say one thing, then I am going to leave it alone. I just want to try to convey a voice of reason (I hope) on the subject.
BW.com was and is a good forum for gravity enthusiasts. Its golden age was IMO 20ish years ago. There is still a good range of people with good knowledge on there. It is a useful tool, there is some great information and it is good to meet like-minded people... A lot of them are here too.
The particular people Johnsmith(one of many psuedonyms) have mentioned, I have found with my interactions with them to be upstanding and generally good people, AB is a prolific builder, and has my utmost respect, I have not seen him on BW in a long while.
Johnsmith was not banned multiple times from BW.com because he was innocently working on a device that everyone was trying to steal off him. It was purely for the way he acted, and the banning system that existed often followed a large number of people pushing the "red button".
JS is also a great builder, but carries additional baggage than he should. I feel sorry for him for his unwarranted views and his personal demons.
John, I love to see your builds, but I try to avoid your threads here and on BW because of all the extra unrelated nonsense. Good luck with your build.
@Tarsier_79, +1
Discussion schizophrénique sans intérêt tant pis.
A++
Quote from: thx4 on April 19, 2022, 03:26:43 AM
@Tarsier_79, +1
Discussion schizophrénique sans intérêt tant pis.
A++
Tarsier79 est passif-agressif.
Laangard.
Just my 2 cents. It is a clever solution to weight movement, but I see no reason for it to work. Don't count your chickens before you can't count the revolutions.
As usual, I enjoy your builds. I do not enjoy the escaped psych patient. Good luck with your build.
Laangard.
Just my 2 cents. It is a clever solution to weight movement, but I see no reason for it to work. Don't count your chickens before you can't count the revolutions.
As usual, I enjoy your builds. I do not enjoy the escaped psych patient. Good luck with your build.
A quoi il faisait référence
What he was referring to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbYZnqys_9A
Après que la roue tourne à 90º ou 1/4 de tour, les poids sont au même endroit?
After the wheel rotates 90º or 1/4 revolution, are the weights in the same place?
Pouvez-vous dire en le regardant que la roue a tourné ?
Can you tell by looking at it that the wheel has rotated?
Images avant et après, pouvez-vous voir la différence ?
Before and after images, can you spot the difference?
Astuce, regardez où se trouve la ligne de rétraction !
Hint, look where the retraction line is!
Regardez à gauche du bas du disque.
cLook to the left of the bottom of the disc.
La roue tourne sur elle-même de 90º et utilise 4 poids. 4 x 90º = 360º.
The wheel rotated on its own 90º and uses 4 weights. 4 x 90º = 360º.
Eh bien Tarsier79, aimeriez-vous être attaqué alors que vous subissiez un traumatisme grave parce qu'un médecin a commis quelques erreurs lors d'une intervention chirurgicale ?
Well Tarsier79, would you like being attacked while working through severe trauma because a medical doctor made a few mistakes during surgery?
Je pense que c'est dommage que je sois la seule personne qui comprenne les maths, fou, non ?
I think it's a shame that I'm the only person who understands the math, crazy, right?
Je veux dire que la quille de M. Tim ne le permet pas et que les voiliers ne chavirent pas.
I mean Mr. Tim's keeling does not allow for this and sailboats do not capsize.
J'ai traversé 3 océans sur des bateaux et j'ai vécu la majeure partie de ma vie au bord de l'eau mais je dois écouter M. Tim et ses amis rlortie et AB Hammer, n'est-ce pas ?
I've crossed 3 oceans on ships and have lived most of my life by the water but I have to listen to Mr. Tim and his friends rlortie and AB Hammer, right?
J'avais aussi l'habitude de fabriquer des pièces d'avion pour Boeing.
I also used to make airplane parts for Boeing.
Je peux créer et lire des plans ainsi que concevoir des pièces.
I can make and read blueprints as well as design parts.
Pourquoi suis-je ridiculisé pour quelque chose qui montre que cela peut fonctionner ?
Why am I ridiculed for something that shows it can work?
Pourtant, AB Hammer a été soutenu lorsqu'il a prétendu que je lui volais son travail.
Yet AB Hammer was supported when he claimed I was stealing his work.
dernière image last image
Pourquoi prétendrait-il que je lui volais son travail s'il n'avait aucun potentiel ?
Why would he claim I was stealing his work if it had no potential?
et comment pourrais-je connaître son forum "secret" et ce qu'il contient ?
and how would I know about his "secret" forum and what is in it?
Je ferai une vidéo à partir des vidéos que j'ai postées depuis 2013 qui montreront comment j'ai travaillé sur ce design au fil des ans.
I will make a video out of the videos I have posted since 2013 that will show how I have worked at this design over the years.
J'ai dû arrêter d'y travailler pendant quelques années. Ensuite, après avoir subi une intervention chirurgicale, il m'a fallu des mois (des années?) Pour arriver là où il était plus facile pour moi de reconstruire.
I had to quit working at it for a couple of years. Then after I had surgery it took months (years?) for me to get to where it was easier for me to build again.
Quand je n'étais pas capable de faire beaucoup de travail, j'ai commencé à apprendre les mathématiques pour plus que ce que j'avais besoin de savoir.
When I was not able to do much work, I started learning math for more than what I needed to know.
Je dirais que les mathématiques sont ce qui m'a aidé. Alors que je devais avoir du couple et que je ne l'avais pas, d'après les 2 vidéos, les pièces de la roue n'étaient pas correctement alignées.
I would say that math is what has helped me. When I should have torque and did not have it, from the 2 videos, the parts of the wheel were not properly aligned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZcu-8J0Lqk
and, et
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbYZnqys_9A
c'est la même mécanique
are the same mechanics.
les maths me permettent de considérer que les poids et autres pièces n'étaient pas correctement alignés.
math let me consider the weights and other parts were not properly aligned.
une des raisons pour lesquelles je travaille à améliorer la qualité de mes constructions.
one reason why I work at improving the quality of my builds.
Et avec cela, tout le monde peut voir où j'ai dit à AB Hammer que nous pouvions travailler ensemble et gagner de l'argent.
Quelle a été sa réponse ?
And with this, everyone can see where I said to AB Hammer that we can work together and make some money.
What was his response?
https://overunity.com/12597/my-invention/160/wap/
Et si quelqu'un lit ce fil, je discutais de choses avec d'autres personnes.
And if anyone reads through that thread, I was discussing things with other people.
Et AB Hammer publierait qu'il me surveille.
And AB Hammer would post that he is watching me.
Et puis lui et ses amis ont commencé à m'attaquer sans raison.
And then he and his friends started attacking me for no reason.
Comme AB Hammer a posté à mon sujet sur besslerwheel.com
As AB Hammer posted about me in besslerwheel.com
Jim Lindgaard fait l'objet de la fraude ultime.
Combien de noms de connexion a-t-il ici ? 10, 20, 30, plus P-motion, to.late, James.Lindgaard, et bien d'autres.
Avec autant de connexions, il garde le dernier point rouge pour briller Banni.
Il semble que toute sa vie ne soit que mensonges et perturbations.
Il est difficile d'imaginer que quelqu'un fasse cela, à moins que quelqu'un ne le paye pour perturber les forums de type roue de gravité, ou il peut être malade mental.
Jim Lindgaard is the subject of the ultimate fraud.
How many sign-in names does he have here? 10, 20, 30, more P-motion, to.late, James.Lindgaard, and many more.
With so many sign-ins he keeps the last red dot for glowing Banned.
It seems his whole life is nothing but lies and disruptions.
It is hard to fathom someone doing this, unless someone was paying him to disrupt gravity wheel type forums, or he may be mentally ill.
https://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4656
And remember, this is what AB Hammer claims happened to him when I told him we could have worked together and make some money.
If he said yes, we could have been successful and I could have had the surgery I need. So what am I missing here?
LMAO Discriminated? Try the hell an XO who is an alcoholic (IMO for legal purpose) bent on getting the none drinker's (myself) good conduct medal and all his drinking buddies adding in on the BS spying on me day in and day out looking for me to make a mistake when I had to double duty for we where short an SS (cook) on this duty post. Oh I forgot I went to the Mormon church during that time for my wife was Mormon.
Also 24hour duty every 4 days. Stunts like being ordered to give a man CPR that was bloated and in rigamortis, just so he could say I disobeyed and order.
The link again; https://overunity.com/12597/my-invention/160/wap/
And as I mentioned, he seemed more interested in discrediting me than anything else, simply had no other concern or interest.
I guess once he posted that perpetual motion was impossible he felt that he needed to defend his position. And in here and at
besslerwheel.com he was considered credible. That's an oxymoron which is a self-contradicting word or group of words.
He said perpetual motion was impossible and was a respected member of perpetual motion forums.
I said perpetual motion is possible in a perpetual motion forum and then am called a fraud and mentally ill.
Really?
At besslerwheel.com they should have considered that Bessler might have been successful since they were promoting his work.
And also that hating on someone for not being culturally pure would be like hating Bessler who was 1/2 Polish and 1/2 German.
And 300 years later, Bessler might get his revenge when instead he should get the recognition that he deserves. What hate allows for.
Just an FYI (for your information), I have a severe interest in atmospheric chemistry and physics and more.
I read a biography on Einstein at 13. What propagates the motion of light? He asked that question at 17.
He wrote a paper about it in 1906.
My father was extremely talented but never understood science. He was great at working with his hands and
my brother Harold was the same way.
I think reading a biography about Einstein at such a young age made science boring for me. With Bessler's Wheel,
it might be me more about my father and my brother than myself. It is an odd way to think of it. What about variable valve
timing or simply put as my brother always told me, timing changes dwell but dwell doesn't change timing. This is what
controls spark in a point gap ignition system. If either one is off, your engine won't run that well.
And with Bessler's Wheel, timing does matter. And in a sense, it is a matter of timing and dwell. But that's what my
brother Harold would say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLt3hjGvN9k
The real AB Hammer; https://www.ksla.com/story/37863650/an-arklatex-man-endures-a-series-of-unfortunate-events/
People in these forums love him. He was never banned from a forum. And he never showed his work. Why he is credible.
What is not banned at besslerwheel.com.
Mt 24 is a drawing I like but this guy like many others has never been banned and has no builds to show.
Why am I banned repeatedly for building in this forum and at besslerwheel.com? That's because that
is what frauds do, they build what they post.
https://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8898&p=186543#p186543
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6iDmqOft04
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtJct8nKjcc
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUoAHtmRrdk
A playlist;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWtcWuKNbag
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hVaAnFxtAY
Culture does matter.
p.s., with wind energy, there are wind turbines and sailboats or sails.
That's kind of limited. Now to consider gravity, there must be more
ways, right?
And this is an example of why "keeling" or the "keel effect" is an accepted engineering principle. I probably could've had surgery 7 years
ago but AB Hammer said that he would sue me. And with how posts have been edited, his lawsuit could've made things worse for me.
I will be building what could have been built but as AB Hammer said, he is supported as being credible and posts show that I was the problem
while he was trying to help me.
And the video and its contents are not considered credible because they do not support what AB Hammer, rlortie and Mr. Tim promoted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOBQjUEd_4s
And when Mr. Tim talks about his keeling, AB Hammer switched from perpetual motion is impossible to most wheels won't work which is anything I build.
And as he said, it describes why most wheels won't work. I guess he knows of 1 or 2 working wheels? Just word play. AB Hammer gave that example already,
say it's impossible and then say most wheels won't work.
And what they did was to shut down any discussion on how torque could be generated. And as they both said, they don't use math except for measuring something.
This is apparently what Mr. Tim based his keeling on. https://tinaja.com/glib/muse122.pdf
And yet the link I posted states that sailboats often capsize. And with my invention, I'll show how doing the math allows for a simple solution if a person understands
mechanics. And it will be sad what I've had to tolerate from people who ignore math. Even in what Mr. Tim referenced in quadrature
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8895&sid=ed940435d15527759fcf82646838b800
the article does not help with perpetual motion unless someone considers what the author said,
Most science students should quickly learn this essential rule: An hour spent in the
library is worth a month in the lab. Same goes for engineers.
And when people won't do the math, as the guy Mr. Tim refers to said, you're basically wasting your time.
And all Mr. Tim considered was 4 weights on a bicycle wheel. That is funny because my first tests were 2
opposing weights on a bicycle wheel. And my experiment let me know that a weight will need to move inward.
And then I started using trigonometry. So yes, I was willing to spend time in the library. And people who
couldn't spend time learning kept saying I was the problem.
And with rlortie, as AB Hammer said, for legal purposes this is only my opinion. I think rlortie wanted people
to tell him how a perpetual motion machine works so he could build it himself. He, like AB Hammer were
private builders who together controlled 2 forums literally. This is because they were also partners in
promoting Mr. Tim's keel effect. And as I've mentioned, why should I have to let people like them dominate me
in a forum where I show my work and they don't?
I'll give an example. Tarsier79, I don't have a working wheel, can you tell me what I'm doing wrong? Did you say to use
a 2nd bicycle wheel like Mr. Tim said and not have it rotate? And that I should tie a line to the non-rotating wheel and
use pulleys to guide it to the weight I want lifted?
Thanks for the help Tarsier79. I sure wish I would've thought of that.
And that is what AB Hammer taught people and what forum owners and moderators support because that is how to help someone.
And now if what Tarsier79 told me to do works, he'll be the one who figured it out.
That's what people will hear and accept because it sounds good and makes people feel good. Tarsier79 was willing to help someone
to build a working wheel who was a failure.
And with Bessler, he said that he did not use a wheel in a wheel. Can you define "in a wheel"? If he placed a drum on each side of the wheel
and had the rim of the wheel wider so it covered both drums, are those drums "in the wheel"? That is what would have allowed Bessler to
cover the sides of his wheels with linen cloth.
And I'd say what has held me up for several years is that people who I consider to be scam artists were considered as credible. And I think
when someone said they'll sue me if I build anything that they should've been banned and yet they weren't. And in the U.S., such a lawsuit that
I was threatened with could've dragged on for a number of years. As things are, I'll probably move out of the U.S.
And something obvious that everyone has missed. This includes Einstein as well as Newton.
Because Venus is closer to the Sun than the Earth is, it would be a denser planet than the Earth is.
Neither Einstein nor Newton considered how an increase in the Sun's gravity would affect Venus
more than it would affect the Earth.
Venus diameter is 12,100 km and the Earth's diameter is 12,756 km. Shouldn't the planet closer to the Sun
be denser instead of not being as dense as the Earth? I just wonder how this has been missed by everybody.
Someone gave the answer to this. Gravity acts on everything equally. Why perpetual motion can't work and
why Newton's work doesn't consider an increase or decrease in its effect just as Einstein didn't consider that.
And with something like that, it will change how astrophysics needs to be considered.
So if people think that it bothers me what I have had to tolerate, it does. And yet the people who caused me
problems couldn't consider that Venus is denser than the Earth because it's closer to the Sun than the Earth.
And everyone knows what scientists say. Perpetual motion is impossible. It is if you don't do the math. And
with Venus, the Sun's acceleration of gravity is 1.85 times greater in that orbit than it is in the Earth's orbit.
You know, the Earth's gravity is 9.81 m/s. The Sun's gravity will decrease as you move away from the Sun.
When Einstein said that the space around the Sun is warped, he should've said it's denser. That's what
light bending more than matter when it passes near the Sun from a distant star is about. Yet the people who
attacked me didn't even know these basic things about science.
@Tarsier79, what I will say is that when people like you and AB Hammer say I am mentally ill, why is it the only people
who attack me have 2 English speaking parents from the country they live in? I have to believe it is because I used to
live in Norway and speak Norske. And that is what will get besslerwheel.com banned from the internet. I was attacked
and banned for not giving my work away because I am 1/2 Norwegian. Kind of why I'll move out of the U.S. as well.
Read the 5th paragraph down. What you need to be mindful of is that what's true in the universe is also true in our solar system.
https://astronomy.com/news/2019/10/dark-matter-makes-these-super-spiral-galaxies-spin-surprisingly-fast#:~:text=Most%20spiral%20galaxies%20rotate%20at,contributes%20to%20the%20rotation%20speed.
I'm doing a new design drawing for this build. This way I'll know what dimensions I am building to.
Even though I've got a lot of work done, the pulleys will need to be mounted as well as the kicker assemblies.
It is a lot of work. And the people at SketchUp know that I've done a lot of design work and if this build works
then I'll be able to thank them because their program is very helpful.
I think I'm just going to relax and try to enjoy this for a change. It's sad in a way that "real" Americans made this toxic
and forum owners and moderators allowed for it. It shouldn't be a problem working with other people. But then this is
a challenging build.
I've done more design work. As the drawing shows, the hub will go into the retraction disc. While it's not
shown in this design, I did chamfer the outside edges of the hub core 45º. The amount of chamfer will keep
the retraction lines between the 2 sides of the retraction disc.
When I can see how the weight wheel assembly sits in its channel I can think about how to fit it. Basically I
can make the weight wheel assemblies and then when I rout to the 45º chamfers of the guides it will roll on,
I will rout as needed.
And with this design drawing, I need to add the brackets between the arms and the pulleys and their mounts.
Considering I started on this yesterday evening, I'd say I'm making good time in getting the design worked
towards completion. This is because I'll need to know how the kicker assemblies will be mounted. Then I can
rout the hole location for the peg the kicker will strike.
This is where having better tools to work with is allowing me to work much more quickly. What I will need to add
are spars just as used on sailing ships to guide the retraction lines and the lines that will allow for them to be
released when a weight is shot outwards.
This is where this coming weekend I'll just make unfinished assemblies. The weight wheels need to be finished as
well as the retraction discs. Then I'll be able to finish the arms and the braces that go from one arm to the other (not shown).
What I'll most likely do is position the braces where pulley mounts will be placed. The picture of the prototype shows
where pulleys and their mounts are positioned for using 4 weight wheels.
I'll also need to be cleaning up the stand so it will be finished. It's just that when the frame for the wheel is finished, I'll
want to place it on the stand and leave it there.
https://youtu.be/rnKjv9hnepE (https://youtu.be/rnKjv9hnepE)
fake ?
Quote from: kolbacict on April 22, 2022, 05:15:31 AM
https://youtu.be/rnKjv9hnepE (https://youtu.be/rnKjv9hnepE)
fake ?
The veproject tries to get people interested in things. With my build, sometime after May 15th I should be finished.
The build is going pretty good so no worries there.
I am ahead of schedule as far as my build goes. Usually I will be at least 1 month behind schedule. I got done everything I hoped to this weekend.
During the week I should be able to make my new weight wheels. This time I will use an assembly jig so they will all be the same. This will matter
for when I rout the 45º chamfers for the tracks for the weight wheels to ride on. And this detail will also be a part of al arms and braces.
I usually prefer to call the arms "spars". I like both boats and ships and have been on plenty. Why I want the weight wheels finished first is so I can
test fit them on the spars to ensure a quality fit. This will help the wheel work better.
It's odd but next weekend I might only be making a piece to go around the hub core, do the chamfers and then do the same for boards that can fit
into those chamfers. I'll need a lot of pieces to secure the braces to the spars. And before I assemble the spars and the braces I'll need to drill a lot
of holes. I'm thinking Jules Verne meets Johan Bessler. And because of why that detail will matter, that will need to be finished before assembly.
If everything works out the way I hope, people need to ask themselves what they want a Bessler Wheel for. An example is a challenge that I will
issue to Orpheus.org and their friends. And what is that challenge?
Das Triumphirende Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum
Except for a small change in the external dimensions of the wheel for raising weights (or so-called "running wheel"), I have organized everything together in accordance with those structures of the previous machine which I had broken to pieces. These small changes occurred by chance and do not need to be defended.
Around the firmly placed horizontal axis is a rotating disc (low or narrow cylinder) which resembles a grindstone. This disc can be called the principle piece of my machine. Accordingly, this wheel consists of an external wheel (or drum) for raising weights which is covered with stretched linen. The base of the cylinder is 12 Rhenish feet in diameter. The height (or thickness) is between 15 and 18 inches. The axle (or shaft) passing through the center is 6 feet long and 8 inches thick cross-sectionally.
While in motion it is supported by two almost one-inch-thick tapered steel pegs, whose two bearings (or sockets) with two curves around the axle provide the rotational motion of the whole vertically suspended wheel through application of pendula, which can be somewhat modified, as the attached figures at the end of this treatise clearly show.
https://besslerwheel.com/writings/das_triumphans.html
After all, the attached image is a challenge, right? After all, I am not building Bessler's Wheel but my interpretation of Bessler's Wheel. Watch the TV show Face Off. In it, you are given a challenge.
You are literally told what to build. How you interpret what you are told is up to you. Joining Peacock is free. https://www.peacocktv.com/signin?return=%2Fwatch%2Fasset%2Ftv%2Fface-off%2F5187152827644028112
With Scott Ellis, in the thread where AB Hammer said I am the ultimate fraud, Scott Ellis told him it's not easy to stop someone who is motivated. Yet I am allowed to be attacked.
And yet if the title is in German and it says "How I, Johann Bessler Was Successful", why do they not understand this? And then for him to explain it as well? How do they not
understand Engleske? Or is the translation from Deutsche to Engleske flawed?
Just an FYI, I asked many times, why repeat the history that Bessler went through? In 300 years, somethings have not changed. With Russia and Ukraine, the name Ukraine might
come from the Russian word for "at the extreme". Kiev is where the original Russia was founded by Vikings. Rüs (Roos) is what the Vikings were called. And Rüs ee Ya (Руссия (Рус и Я))
would mean the Viking and myself or the Viking and I. Why Россия ис нот Руссия. They simply did not want to be extreme like Kiev. It's in the language and the names.
Of course I am 1/2 Norwegian and know why the Vikings were in Kiev. Basically to take what we have today and instead establish a government that allows for trade and commerce.
This almost like going back 1,000 years in time and saying "Really, do we need to go through this again?".
And to show a more recent understanding of how Norway and the slavs of Russia and Norway have interacted, the group is named after a language spoken by Norwegians and Russians.
This language would've been spoken by those who fished the Arctic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqAbk6K_U_I
This is a toxic subject. I am a fraud. I have always been banned for working at Bessler's Wheel. When it is my money, my time and my work, why should I work for someone
who refuses to work with me? Some examples of their work. They are well respected while I am not.
I accidentally spelled "is not" "ис нот" using the Cyrillic alphabet. That's funny 😂🤣
This is about what it will look like when finished. All of the dimensions are very accurate. I'll be making a video next
week to show what I've done over the years. I started pursuing this concept in 2013. I had to take a break for a couple
of years because of medical issues.
What slowed everything up was also being attacked for being 1/2 Norwegian. Some native English speakers thought
I should give it to them because they're simply better people. And considering that John Collins was a part of that
problem along with his orpheus.org group, that basically makes it white supremacy.
It reminded me of the stories my father told me about when the 3rd Reich occupied Norway. He almost got sent to a
Nazi death camp for not thinking and talking the right way. Over 13 million non-Jews died that way just as my father's
friend did. Nazis caught him but not my dad.
I actually saw the Rock group America live. I actually heard from them why they did not receive in person
the award for the Best New Rock Group. And that is why when my build works I will not burn Bessler's Wheel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujsOx33f4mk
Their reason wasn't they were hated for what they did.
To quote ramset;
I am completely unaware of these things
As are most persons on forum these days
Regarding events of a decade ago ?
Seems any breakthrough would have come out already
If it truly worked !
He is an American like AB Hammer. I am building to have surgery that I've been needing since January, 2010.
He obviously did not watch my last video which shows what I'm building can work. Why I am doing a new build,
so it will be worth displaying. https://youtu.be/FbYZnqys_9A
And I can show where in 2019 that AB Hammer attacked me for not being able to work because I am handicapped.
How can someone be credible for attacking someone who is disabled? By not building. :o
I have contacted the Spanish Consulate and a working wheel might allow me to temporarily move to Spain.
When I got back to considering perpetual motion again, it was because Christian coworkers got me fired from my
job because they told me that Jesus would never let my kind have a life in the U.S. They had me fired for going to
the wrong churches.
As for my kind, is it someone who is 1/2 Norwegian and started learning Norske and Engleske at the same time or
because I am a disabled Veteran who Honorably served in the U.S. Navy?
And what will be interesting is that I'll also be showing where scientists missed 2 very important things because
they're not aware of or understand history. Basically they might know something happened but not why it matters. And
as Americans tell me, the U.S. is about exploitation because it is a capitalist country. The preamble to the U.S.
Constitution does not support that type of thinking.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility,
provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our
Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/us
And with my medical situation, I woke up in pain this morning. If I use my table saw or router, that will cause more pain.
And yet I am hoping to show a working build in May. And from my perspective this is an extremely toxic subject. Perpetual
motion is impossible.
The argument for science is that gravity has no energy. How can something conserve the energy in gravity when gravity
has none? A working will will prove scientists wrong while "saying" that engineering can do what scientists can't do. And
then I'll show 2 other things in history that scientists don't understand. 1 of those things will also be what both Newton and
Einstein (why I said scientists) have missed.
And for fun I'll even throw in that scientists do not seem to be aware of Max Planck's original work in black body radiation
and what his failed experiment resulted in. And this would suggest that one day that our brown dwarf (our Sun) will become
a WIMP (Weakly Interacting Massive Particle) because it will start emitting black light.
The picture shows some of what I am doing to make new weight wheel assemblies. Off to the left and out of the picture, I am
gluing 2 - 1/4 inch thick boards together to make a 1/2 inch thick board. Where you see a board under the wheel, what it is for.
With the weight wheel assembly in the middle, I had to make some wood filler because the hole location was stripped out. I
want to have all 4 weight wheels finished so I can make sure they are consistent in their dimensions. This is because tomorrow
I'll be able to use my table saw to chamfer the rail they'll roll on. I want to do that over size so I can use my router to finish the
chamfer with. That will help with both precision and appearance.
I'll also need to make 32 parts less than 1 inch long. They'll be so I can connect the braces to the spars. I call the arms going
outward spars.
And for an experiment I've been wanting to pursue but might just show why (2013 IPCC report) I thought of it but scientists can
solve what they don't understand. This link also states that modeling doesn't account for the current process. It's really no concern
of mine because only the "right" people should be allowed to pursue an education in the U.S.
https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/50897614/2001jd00072220161215-29164-c9he6y-libre.pdf?1481796224=&response-content-disposition=attachment%3B+filename%3DAre_CH2O_measurements_in_the_marine_boun.pdf&Expires=1651345696&Signature=E6TcWmqbVFv9curAWdfEHxejF-wrDO1VqUElOSg~GVLGDuYLU4YaYJ9HJuQQL7MBdFnduyUBdOpfnI5wMSE1Sv6GoqgHvV~Rgw9wfMRzKOkqPRL1x0-sGeqCfoVMc3elRAsdeYtIEWgTmEumNdtNf6M9WRrDG7A4DHMUMelCUhRRGIRcrwKqG0Y2QHNHL9f9ho8vxHpWKtlVWg9HPf5pLG95Gm0mDJ~irAz24UfP8uCX5B1cLqiVpY7CvtvY09UyCJ7tGdsW6iJKllGuz8KyqYuCItEnDfn-m~lFS1nc5sQSv0C6gWp9CI1cjvieQ78Eq2DfE~wcV8qoaBqrdDbzuQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA
The 3rd picture shows I just received the link in my email. I downloaded one paper and now I'm getting spammed. This might turn out to be like Bessler's Wheel for me.
p.s., I saved a link online where the scientist actually said unknown process or processes. With Bessler's Wheel, the weight moving inward towards the axle is not work being done.
That has nothing to do with work = mass times distance because no work is being performed. And math agrees with this. The work being done is when the wheel is rotating. 2 separate
things. It helps to understand this when like myself, I have different wheels at home. I have physical models to work with.
While I know of 3 different ways that perpetual motion is possible, this is in principle and not how the principles are used.
Principles are used by the inventor. Today inventors receive patent rights. The principle itself cannot be patented.
Scientists say that perpetual motion is impossible because it has no energy. How do you separate energy from attractive
force is like an apple falling to the ground?
If you convert PKE or potential 1/2mv^2 energy, that is conserving force and not energy. To demonstrate gravity has energy
requires an outside force. Bessler's Wheel is the only mechanical principle that will demonstrate that gravity has
energy. The other 2 will only demonstrate that the attractive force between 2 bodies according to Newton's Theory of
Gravity is being conserved.
So does this get into physics? Very much so. One reason why I learned physics besides I find it interesting. I wanted to
understand the debate. And with what I posted about atmospheric chemistry, whether or not gravity having energy
changes my hypothesis. If gravity has no energy then my hypothesis is no longer valid. If gravity has energy then Bessler's
Wheel could be linked to a new field in science. Ever hear of Atmospheric Chemistry and Astrophysics? No? With Bessler's
Wheel it could happen.
And with you guys, if you are around people like yourselves, be glad. Being different isn't worth it.
p.s., to change the mechanics while using the same principles could be a new invention. Also there are design patents. The
appearance can be patented because it is unique. I am making this aspect of patent law known because someone might say
"do you know what would look cool?" With my own invention, it will look cool. Then again we have to consider patent law.
If not for commercial sales, I'm not going to care. And with me, when the invasion of Ukraine is over, I've worked in construction
and will probably take working vacations. I can pour cement and do framing. I don't do drywall. I'd suck at that. And with electrical
wiring, I think I can learn code quickly. With science, it's a similar thought process as well as with engineering. Just know your
bus fuses, load requirements in amperage, etc., they'll need help rebuilding.
p.s.s., I also have a wind turbine design I haven't made known. And again, if my Bessler Wheel build works, it will be taken seriously.
And since I don't have a family, I do understand how some people feel like Ukrainians or Palestinians. And when Ukraine is free, then
they could find out what a woodworker can do. Or a cement worker because buildings will need foundations and walls poured.
And we're back to I don't do drywall. And I doubt I could do tile work. Basically I could do the grunt work.
I sawed the angles. I'll need to re-drill the holes for the axles on the weight wheels. The 2nd picture shows how
I attached a board on each side. I'll need to clean them up with my router but I'll be able to take it easy now. Work
like I did this morning is hard on me to say the least. Fortunately I now have the work finished that I needed to get
done.
I do wonder if scientists will say that this still doesn't prove that gravity has energy. Would you really expect scientists
to admit they were wrong? This is when I'll be able to say that gravity might allow for the missing process which allows
for gasses like CH2O, CH4 and CO2 to occur in our upper atmosphere. And then it'd need to be considered if gravity
actually contributes about 1100 watts of energy per mol of atmospheric gasses. And since I'm not a scientist so that's
really not my concern. It just helps me to take my mind off of the trauma I need to work through.
And in a way it will be payback for them saying perpetual motion is impossible. After all, I'll be showing their research
and will be able to say there's a solution for it, gravity has energy. That and atmospheric air pressure is based on a
column of water that was used to calibrate the barometer. Kind of show what they missed back around 1700.
p.s., sorry about the blurry picture
I saw a post in this forum from 2015 where I posted to AB Hammer that I need surgery so I need to build.
Once I can have surgery, I'll have no need to be involved with this. I have other work I can pursue which would
be worth more money. And that would involve no censorship such as I have experienced for pursuing Bessler's
Wheel so I can have surgery. 2015 was 7 years ago. I think I have been patient but have been told I need to be
even more patient. I need surgery so that is what determines my needs.
And since I hope to have a working wheel this month, no need for me to post in here as my work is not supported
by forum leaders.
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And Chet, I'll be glad when I can move out of the U.S. It will become known what was posted about me.
And then when I am successful, why would I be the problem when Americans and their friends weren't
willing to work with me.
Quote from: truesearch on April 18, 2022, 02:26:42 PM
@Johnsmith,
It seems like there is always background noise and static. . . . I'd suggest ignoring that all and investing your skill-set and efforts into making a successful, working build :)
truesearch
I try but unfortunately I am routinely discredited for working through medical hardship. An example is when I lost my job, had to sell my
car and then became homeless I was attacked for not being able to build. You can read Tarsier79's post on page 11 after yours says.
If you search James Lindgaard on YouTube, I uploaded a new video today.
Because this is Memorial day in the U.S., in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plEon4y5xTE
at the 7:24 mark you'll see me dancing. I've got the moves and a TV camera up close. The actors guild
requires a sign off and payment to people in the TV show. Why I wasn't shown in the TV show.
When my work on Bessler's Wheel is verified I think the footage that camera shot of me and the dancer
dancing will be made available.
It's just that when me and 3 friends from boot camp went to Milwaukee, USA, it was Memorial Day. And one
of us said why not fall into formation? The other 3 of us agreed. It took me several years to realize that people
weren't applauding the flag but what we did when we saw the flag. We fell into formation, dressed close interval
and presented arms.
We weren't 4 guys with one of us leading us, we were ONE. And we're back to John F. Kennedy and what can
you do for America. We have Trump and McConnell today.
Still, the US Navy allowed me to dance on national television with a beautiful dancer because of my military training.
We were told not to go onto the stage and we followed orders.
p.s., you guys won't get this but the other guys around us, they stayed around us. When does that happen? And the camera focused on me and her.
God that is so awesome. And with Marie, some guy shouted "I'm Signed , Sealed and Delivered". That might've been me in response to what some
other sailor said. But we behaved ourselves and followed orders. We remained quiet for the TV.
Just an FYI, Marie said that she'd like to take us home with her. Kind of why the I'm "signed, sealed and delivered comment". They recorded everything
so they probably recorded that innocent comment that I'd go home with Marie Osmond. I was 222 and she was Mormon. It never would've worked.
I am hoping to premier a video June 15th. With how much work there is to do there isn't much to talk about.
It is possible this will be my last build. Nothing about it has been a good experience. And what might be most
important about this build is it will demonstrate that gravity has energy.
And without knowing the math behind the design most people might not "see it", ie., why it works.
@Johnsmith
The June-15 date for your video is right around the corner now. . . . Hoping you're able to come through with it.
truesearch
Quote from: Johnsmith on April 30, 2022, 11:16:58 AM
... any breakthrough would have come out already
Sometimes this is true, as in the Joule Thief and the Solar Death Ray
But for complex machines that are difficult to replicate properly,
Archer Quinn's wheel for example,
Conjecture and disbelief rule the day.
It is difficult for an educated person to forsake their knowledge.
Despite several proven and replicated devices, all it takes is a single hoaxter or
a small few to try and fail, before interest is lost and everyone moves on to the next.
If there is one thing i have learned here, it is that we don't yet know everything.
The human concept of "impossibility" is as mythological as any religion.
We are incapable of knowing that which we do not know.
It was once impossible for man to fly. This was accepted as fact.
Today we have advanced three independent areas of physics that allow us to do so.
(Buoyancy, Rocketry, Aerodynamics)
Ask yourself: it is possible for a stable isotope to exist?
Then attempt to explain why perpetual motion is not possible one more time.
Entropy can be destroyed by a simple electrostatic experiment:
Separate 2 charges.
By definition the energy used to separate them is recovered in their annihilation.
but what if we were to consume one of these charges, while leaving the other in existence?
for instance we can ionize a series of atoms.
due to commonality lets say we fuse an Ozone molecule.
The mathematics here are fairly straightforward, yet the daunt of the other charge is
still staring us in the face.....
Furthermore, if the (discharged) conductor is left in proximity to the remaining charge:
what happens?
The conductor will self-induce an equal and opposite charge.
so long as the one conductor is insulated and not allowed to discharge
there will be ozone produced for infinity in an anti-entropic cycle.
this is "impossible", yet Leyden jars have done this for hundreds of years.
perpetual motion is simply the equilibrium between two perpetual forces.
We know of many such forces.
Gravity, Magnetism, Electric Charge, Nucleic Charge, Universal 'expansion', to name a few.
There is nothing "impossible" except that which we refuse to explore.
As it pertains to Venus, as affected by the Sun:
Gravity at a great distance is a univectoral force.
Meaning it is pulling towards venus on the far side
and away from venus on the side facing the sun.
The magnitude of this is minuscule in comparison to
the planets' own gravity, just as we do not 'feel' the sun's gravity.
(it would be immeasurable to discern if we were lighter during the day)
The planet's density was once very close to that of Mercury and Earth.
Not because of their distance from the sun, but because of their constituents.
Much of Venus' minerals are currently in gaseous form. (gas and vapor)
Volcanism has caused significant liquefaction as well.
June 15th passed some weeks now. No Video, no news on the build?