https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8G1JCT2c78 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8G1JCT2c78)
Well, old concept. But very well executed.
Only thing i can think of is maybe a large battery-pack in the base. But otherwise it looks promising.
I don't know how it is faked but I do know that while using a
conventional alternator it cannot work.
We should download and save both videos before they are gone
Everything is so nice explained in detail, hard to image that this would be a Fake.
Lots of details except for any of the details that would matter.
Lots of extranious details is a classic part of scaming.
But wonder what is the reason not to tell the trueth, and this is not one of hundreds indish energy fake videos
Quote from: Floor on January 19, 2022, 11:08:07 AM
I don't know how it is faked but I do know that while using a
conventional alternator it cannot work.
Well he is not using an conventional alternator. He rebuild the internal part with permanent magnets. Did you watch it all?
Fake videos over the years, have come from all parts of the world.
There must be thousands of them on the web !
Some have been very elaborate.
Hundreds of them have been examined here at the O.U. forum.
In this modern age a video alone cannot be considered as proof... at all.
Only the details of the construction which then allows some understanding of
why it works and then its replication can validate a device.
Quote from: Cherryman on January 19, 2022, 12:04:32 PM
Well he is not using an conventional alternator. He rebuild the internal part with permanent magnets. Did you watch it all?
So he says.
Is there a blue print / schematic some where that I missed ?
Here is another video from the Tecnología Oculta site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ4nLZu9q1I
No question at all that this one is total BS.
The video in the OP is just a rip from another guy - Multi tech or something like that. The Multi tech guy who built that had millions of views on it. Everything he does is fake but makes himself a lot of money from youtube views. Google (youtube) doesn't seem to give a damn about misinformation unless it is something negative about vaccines (which they are invested in). Lots of ways to fake this - hidden wires, batteries etc.
Of course it is possible! :D
It is mechanical system with a feedback. Close looped and self excited.
Anyone did hear about destructive excitement of amplifiers, when non controlled feedback causes amplitude rise and may destroy amplifier??
Audio feedback - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_feedback)
This is the same case.
Electrical current generated by machine with permanent magnets ( modified alternator)- drives electrical motor - motor drives modified alternator- current from alternator drives electrical motor-ect....
Looped system.
Initial energy to start the process is given by spinning system by operator.
If modified alternator is efficient and generates a little bit more electrical energy that is needed to drive electrical motor ( minus all the system losses of course) - energy is accumulating in the system with every revolution. If not controlled - may cause constant acceleration to the point of destruction.
We can avoid uncontrolled energy accumulation by removing it- connecting some load.
So, success of such setup depends on one thing: generator must be developed in such a way that electrical energy (current,voltage) it provides per one revolution exceeds a little bit energy needed to rotate electrical motor ( plus all system losses).
Alternator must be carefully modified with permanent magnets to get most efficient setup. Proper positioning of magnets is essential.
I am going to replicate this project .
PS. Explanation for non-technical people. :)
Imagine you earn 10000$/month, you spend 7000$/month. Your bank account is growing 3000$/month minus bank fees.
The same happens with our looped alternator-electrical motor system. Alternator gives 100/revolution, electrical motor needs 70 to turn one revolution. With every revolution we accumulate 30 minus losses.
Cheers,
Pix
Sometimes I'm just the one in the position to play the critic.
It is needed.
Believing blindly can't help anything.
Please...
Don't take it too hard, and don't ever let it stop you from experimenting
if / when you think you see something in an idea or design.
Best wishes
floor
Its fake. Don't waste your time.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on January 19, 2022, 08:27:32 PM
Its fake. Don't waste your time.
You know because you tried ?
I am going to replicate because logically it may work, the same like in acoustic feedback.
Cheers,
Pix
There are several who wants to try it, by my opinion it sounds interesting :o
Quote from: Floor on January 19, 2022, 05:33:34 PM
Sometimes I'm just the one in the position to play the critic.
It is needed.
Believing blindly can't help anything.
Please...
Don't take it too hard, and don't ever let it stop you from experimenting
if / when you think you see something in an idea or design.
Best wishes
floor
Believe me- I am the last one who could be called "blind believer". :D
Positive feedback phenomena is well known in electronic and audio area. Uncontrolled may lead to system components destruction. Did you think about it? Are you questioning it's existence? Didn't you hear it for example duing music concerts? Unbearable noise amplification due to coupling of sound between speakers and microphone?
Exactly the same happens here: generator-el.motor linked and connected together.
I already explained in my previous post why such "self running" system may work.
It is not "free energy", energy is coming from: initial run done by operator, and permanent magnets magnetic field.
It is a system that conserves and accululates energy due to positive feedback.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: skybiker63 on January 20, 2022, 05:41:20 AM
There are several who wants to try it, by my opinion it sounds interesting :o
Yes. :)
We need to check the right components to make no mistakes,
we should help each other and work in a team.
Please double check...don´t know if its correct:
One Phase Motor from UTENTRA 220V and 2800RMP 220V
Car Alternator 24V 200AMPS
(perhaps from Audi Quattro made by Valea)
Magnets seems to be Arc Magenets, not totally flat (important you cannot replace the two little magnets by a single larger one as it would create totally different waves)
We should create a parts list and where to get the parts from
Quote from: skybiker63 on January 20, 2022, 08:59:37 AM
Magnets seems to be Arc Magenets, not totally flat (important you cannot replace the two little magnets by a single larger one as it would create totally different waves)
Why not?
Most important is alternate magnets polarisation N-S-N-S to be on exact position facing stator coil loop. When one side of coil loop faces N the other side of that coil loop must face S.
I guess guy on the movie didn't had longer magnets, that's why he had to glue two together.
I don't see other explanation.
Look at principle, don't blindly follow his setup.
Here you have similiar principle, difference is- starting of unit is done with grid energy spinning electrical motor, then power supply is disconnected , instead of manual spinning.
Infinity SAV – Revolutionary technologies for a better tomorrow (https://infinitysav.com/)
Cheers,
Pix
partial quote
Quote from: pix on January 20, 2022, 05:42:45 AM
Positive feedback phenomena is well known in electronic and audio area. Uncontrolled may lead to system components destruction.
partial quote
Quote from: pix on January 20, 2022, 05:42:45 AM
It is not "free energy", energy is coming from: initial run done by operator, and permanent magnets magnetic field.
It is a system that conserves and accululates energy due to positive feedback.
cool / cheers
floor
Quote from: pix on January 20, 2022, 05:42:45 AM
Believe me- I am the last one who could be called "blind believer". :D
Positive feedback phenomena is well known in electronic and audio area. Uncontrolled may lead to system components destruction. Did you think about it? Are you questioning it's existence? Didn't you hear it for example duing music concerts? Unbearable noise amplification due to coupling of sound between speakers and microphone?
Exactly the same happens here: generator-el.motor linked and connected together.
I already explained in my previous post why such "self running" system may work.
It is not "free energy", energy is coming from: initial run done by operator, and permanent magnets magnetic field.
It is a system that conserves and accululates energy due to positive feedback.
Cheers,
Pix
Very aware of audio feedback but where do you think the power for it comes from? It comes from the outlet it is plugged into or a battery pack which can keep providing more wattage until components either fry or someone turns down the volume quickly. What you have in the fake video has no source of power to tap into. The only devices like this I've seen that 'might' work are ones with a large heavy flywheel. But please do prove me wrong by building it - I will gladly eat my words and thank you for a successful build.
@e2matrix
I am not going to argue with you.
Once I will do my project I will let you know.
The plan is to modify ansynchronous motor instead od car alternator. More windings in the stator.
See examples.
Генератор на постоянных магнитах. Как сделать. Подробно. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2jPJiCB6y8)
[size=78%]Асинхронник на магниты 1,5 кВт - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAuQH8bhsJw)[/size]
Cheers,
Pix
It is elementary neccessary to use the two single magnets instead of a normal one.
If you use the normal one it becomes a common generator.
As normal Generator it has no OU.
Two little magnets cause totally different magnetic fields than a single magnet, specially in this arangement. You can clearly see in the video that he has to push them hard together, this position cause
new kind of magnetic fields.
Another point is that also an arc magnet creates other fields than a flat one...magnets arangements are not such an easy job of South and North... :o
The whole arrangement and construction is only looking so simple but in detail I can see a lot of great detail work.
@Skybiker63
It IS a common generator, no OU there.
The special thing about such a setup is to loop and accumulate excess energy for use. I already explained this.
Many builders use small magnets because they are more available and cheaper, long magnets are not common and very expensive.
It is important to locate magnet in "tilted" position against line of coil, this is to reduce a drag.
There ia a Polish thread about such PM generators for homemade wind turbines, 400+ pages, everything is there.
Most common to modify with PM's is a washing machine motor or 3 phase ansynchronous motor- they range lies in kilowatts. Typical car alternator may produce max. 500Watts.
If you want to try a much stronger alternator to do this with try getting one used on big trucks (18 wheelers) as they can put out much higher wattage. Used ones can often be found for not much more than car alternators. Even new ones aren't that much as you can see here is one that can do 160 Amps (at 12 volts thats 1920 watts) for $93 and that was just a quick search on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/174169073394
Car alternators on the other hand are typically around 65 amps if I recall.
Also note you can easily resize your pictures with this old version of Paint Shop Pro - very small and easy to use and still works on new Windows versions: http://www.oldversion.com/windows/paint-shop-pro-5-0 (http://www.oldversion.com/windows/paint-shop-pro-5-0)
@e2matrix3 phase ansynchronous motors are less expensive, are bigger and have more copper windings on the stator. Can acommodate more permanent magnets.
In one of the youtube links I posted in my previous message , at the end the guy after assebly connects voltmeted and just spins shaft with one hand and gets 40V reading peak.
Imagine when it spins few hundreds rpm or nominal speed.
Powerfull machines.
Given intensity of magnetic field inside such modified AC motor, if we connect identical motor and loop them togrther- I am optimist of the "self running" possibility.
PS. Sorry for big pictures.
Cheers,
Pix
Gearing up equipment.
2 identical induction motors 2,2kW/1480 rev/320/400V
AC capacitors.
Pulleys, v-belt, breakes, magnets
First- will test generator mode of one induction motor- plan to install 3 capacitors in triangle, motor windings in star, spin it to 120% of nominal speed by second motor and see how it performs as ansynchronous generator.
Second- install permanent magnets on one rotor. Connect to second motor with v-belt and pulleys, spin and loop as per YT.
Will see.
Cheers,
Pix
Well, all naysayers.
Please watch this video from 12:30 min.
Guys responded to all critic posts and made a new video.
Is Free Energy Possible? We put this infinite energy engine to test. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8G1JCT2c78&t=603s)
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on January 21, 2022, 05:03:24 PM
@e2matrix3 phase ansynchronous motors are less expensive, are bigger and have more copper windings on the stator. Can acommodate more permanent magnets.
In one of the youtube links I posted in my previous message , at the end the guy after assebly connects voltmeted and just spins shaft with one hand and gets 40V reading peak.
Imagine when it spins few hundreds rpm or nominal speed.
Powerfull machines.
Given intensity of magnetic field inside such modified AC motor, if we connect identical motor and loop them togrther- I am optimist of the "self running" possibility.
PS. Sorry for big pictures.
Cheers,
Pix
Hello Pix,
I believe an Async 3 Phase Motor could not be used on this project, simply because the Rotor Core does not have the same config as a Car or Truck Alternator.
The Steel Mass of an Alternator rotor core is splitted in two parts, upper-lower, and they have these alternated Teeth which allows for the NSNSNSNS Magnet Config. once you cut off teeths.
You could also use just one big neo toroid ring magnet, but then you will have to fully remove the rotor coil wires and press shaft out, and cut in two the core to allow the circular magnet inside....a lot of work!!
I can verify the veracity of this BUILD, just because he have to glue the two magnets together to form the NN, just because they will not stick together like that, N next to N...facing outwards.
Best thing here would be to replicate it...then find out.
Regards
Ufopolitics
@Ufopolitics
3 phase squirell cage induction motor is a very good candidate for PM generator.
The reason most guys convert car alternator is simple- it is much cheaper.
There is an polish company that is succesfully doing such low rpm generators from induction motors for wind and small hydroelectric power:
KOMEL (http://www.komel.katowice.pl/produkcja2cd.html)
There are many of YT movies with guys converting 3 phase induction motors:
Генератор на постоянных магнитах. Как сделать. Подробно. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2jPJiCB6y8)
Асинхронник на магниты 1,5 кВт - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAuQH8bhsJw)
Here is nice instruction in english:
Zubbly Diary Repost PART #1 induction conversion process August 14, 2004, 09: (anotherpower.com) (https://www.anotherpower.com/board/index.php?topic=324.0)
You can even make very good ansynchronous generator out of indiction motor without any modifications, just connecting capacitors and spinning it above nominal speed.
Generaattori (elepal.fi) (http://www.elepal.fi/antennit/moottori/gener_e.html)
2. IMAG, using induction motors as asynchronous generators (nzdl.org) (http://www.nzdl.org/cgi-bin/library?e=d-00000-00---off-0hdl--00-0----0-10-0---0---0direct-10---4-------0-1l--11-en-50---20-about---00-0-1-00-0--4----0-0-11-10-0utfZz-8-10&cl=CL1.18&d=HASH01a419b0834cf9dbfb8643d0.5.2>=1)
In fact I already have everything prepared to test induction motor running as ansynchronous generator. As I described in my previous post.
When I am done with this test and satisfied I am going to convert one induction motor with PM's on the rotor, other motor will be connected to this one as a looped drive.
Cheers,
Pix
@Pix
I understand, but is not easier and simpler just to replicate this setup as it is built on the video?
It would show the veracity in exactly what is shown, at smaller scale...besides being much cheaper.
If you notice on this setup (video) the motor is a Two Phase, running off the two faces (out of Three total) that Alternator have as Output...So, He uses the other phase (120V AC) to run drills and other tools...
Anyways, I just wanted to render an opinion here...not important.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Hi Ufo & all,
It's called a Lundell or claw rotor
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Exploded-view-of-a-Lundell-alternator-3_fig3_237464668
And replacing it with PMs cannot increase voltage X10 unless RPM is increased X10.
bi
Edit, ps. Skew of magnets or pole face edge is done to reduce cogging. No magic there.
Hello bistander and all.
Sorry to disagree with you Bi but in the normal use of an automotive alternator the output is controlled by the field current which is controlled by the voltage regulator. There used to be kits you could get to bypass the regulator that would increase the field current so that you could use the output of the alternator to run 120 volt electric drills or saws. Before the days of all the battery powered tools they were used by contractors on job sites for their power tools. Of course the power tools had to have brush type AC/DC motors as the output was only DC.
So strong magnets on the rotor can provide 120 volt output without turning the alternator 10 times faster.
UFO I am curious where you got the idea the motor was 2 phase as he plugs it into the same power strip that he plugs the drill in to?
Take care guys,
Carroll
If you increase the voltage so the current decreases no ?
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 27, 2022, 01:27:44 PM
@Pix
If you notice on this setup (video) the motor is a Two Phase, running off the two faces (out of Three total) that Alternator have as Output...So, He uses the other phase (120V AC) to run drills and other tools...
This ia ONE phase motor with capacitor. Three cables:
-phase
-neutral
-PE ( grounding protection)
PS.
The reason I am going to use 2,2kW squirrel cage motor is that I am going to make more powerfull generator, I can use 3x 230V at output. I understand principle so I don't need to blindly follow the same what guy did with alternator. Besides, he mentioned that he used car alternator simply because he didn't had 3 phase induction motor at hand.
There are many places on the web where subject of converting induction motor to PM generator is fully explained.
Cheers,
Pix
Hi citfta,
You might be right. I was forgetting that automotive alternators are designed to output rated voltage at idle speeds, so turning them at 3000-3600 RPM and getting a bit more flux from the field might get near 10x generated voltage. But even neo PMs won't get you 10x flux over a wound field running near saturation.
bi
Quote from: bistander on January 27, 2022, 03:45:06 PM
Hi citfta,
You might be right. I was forgetting that automotive alternators are designed to output rated voltage at idle speeds, so turning them at 3000-3600 RPM and getting a bit more flux from the field might get near 10x generated voltage. But even neo PMs won't get you 10x flux over a wound field running near saturation.
bi
Electromotive force induced in the stator windings depends from rotational speed, intensity of magnetic field, length of active conductor,
So, with constant values: neodymium magnets B=1Tesla, active length of conductors in the stator, your generated voltage depends from variable- rotational speed of alternator.
PS.
Why I choose induction motor? Compare length of induction motor versus alternator :D
Longer active length of windings in stator ( more copper )= more electromotive force.
Cheers,
Pix
WOW!!
It is really great to see some old friends around here!!
Skeptics but still friends from long back ago!!
Anyways, I am not getting involved on this project at the moment....am too busy building a Perpetual Magnet Motor...LOL
Cheers and nice to see you Two together again, Citfta and Bistander!!
It reminds me of old times... :)
Ufopolitics
Quote from: citfta on January 27, 2022, 03:07:01 PM
Hello bistander and all.
Sorry to disagree with you Bi but in the normal use of an automotive alternator the output is controlled by the field current which is controlled by the voltage regulator. There used to be kits you could get to bypass the regulator that would increase the field current so that you could use the output of the alternator to run 120 volt electric drills or saws. Before the days of all the battery powered tools they were used by contractors on job sites for their power tools. Of course the power tools had to have brush type AC/DC motors as the output was only DC.
So strong magnets on the rotor can provide 120 volt output without turning the alternator 10 times faster.
UFO I am curious where you got the idea the motor was 2 phase as he plugs it into the same power strip that he plugs the drill in to?
Take care guys,
Carroll
You are right Citfts...it is a Single Phase Motor...
Plus you are also right about voltage regulator and Current regulation on a car Alternator...
Men, I have worked with these small alternators forso long...rebuilding them, testing them, etc,etc...
Nice to see ya around
Regards
Ufopolitics
Ok,
Enough to explain you guys why and what.
Time to do some job.
All is boxed and wired together.
Tomorrow- testing generator mode of 3 phase induction motor with 18 and 30 microfarad capacitors. Just to see and fulfill my curiosity.
Once this is done I am going to strip open one motor and work on the rotor to nicely accomodate most powerfull magnets I can get.
Will post some pictures when done.
Cheers,
Pix
Pix,
Since I don't know your background or experience with strong neos I hope you won't be offended by this suggestion. Be VERY careful working with those strong magnets. Keep them far apart from each other unless you have a way to hold them very securely. If two of them snap together they have enough force to take a large chunk out of your flesh. They can even break bones in your hand if your hand should get caught between two of them. I don't mean to sound like a know it all but I have been working with strong magnets for several years now and know firsthand how dangerous they can be. You may already know this and if so just ignore my post. But I didn't want to hear that you had gotten hurt because you weren't aware of the danger of strong magnets.
Respectfully,
Carroll
PS:Good luck on your build. I will be following your progress.
Video is Ok and Good but there are a few things that make it less of an experience:
1. AC Motor connects a Modified Generator from the Alternator Car and produces a voltage of 220V 50Hz or 60Hz or let's say a certain frequency is generated.
2. The speed of the driving motor is based on the frequency emitted from the generator. Does that make sense, from where the motor speed can remain stable? a slight change in the speed of the motor will change the frequency of the output coming out of the generator and it works in need of each other and vice versa a slight change in the frequency of the generator will change the speed of the motor. In the video there is no Frequency Drive so that the motor speed remains stable, so the thing that makes a lot of sense is that the video is fake, if it is real, the motor speed cannot be stable and the rpm should be increase at the time.
ALL I CAN SAY IS THE MOTHER AND FATHER OF FREE ENERGY IS EFFICIENT.
AND ONE NEEDS TO KNOW WHERE THE SOURCE OF THAT ENERGY. SO THERE IS NO
EFFICIENCY IN THAT CONTRAPTION. HE SAID THAT THE SOURCE OF ENERGY IS FROM THE
PERMANENT NIBS, NOT. TO EVERY ACTION THERE IS AN EQUAL REACTION YEAH. WELL STRONG NIBS
IN THAT ARRANGEMENT EQUAL TO STRONGER BACK NEGATIVE EMF.
Besides all the other reasons it can not work, how's this one? The synchronous generator (alternator) drives the asynchronous (induction) motor at X Hz electrically. The motor drives the generator at X-s Hz, mechanically, where s = slip. But if generator is driven at X-s Hz it cannot put out X Hz. Input frequency to motor is too low for it to produce torque to drive generator at the speed it is running.
bi
Ok.
Testing of ansynchronous generator mode of induction motor done.
Absolutely satisfied- ordinary 3 phase squirrel cage induction motor can work as efficient AC generator without any modification, only by connecting capacitors to it's terminal.
In theory such motor should be rotated above nominal rpm ( in my case 1420 rpm), in fact my generator got electric excitation running at 1193 rpm :) .
It self excited due to residual magnetism of rotor.
Here are running parameters of generator:
Test 1- 1193 rpm, 3 x 18 microfarad capacitors, 279-280V no load, with 250W load voltage drops to 256V
Test 2- 1844 rpm, 3 x 18 microfarad capacitors, 568-570V no load, I didn't connected my bulbs I was scared
Voltage in this type of generator is regulated by capacitors, more load-bigger capacitors needs to be connected to keep voltage constant. In case of 3 phase generator, better to take load from 2 phases, one phase keep not loaded. This way it will not loose excitation under bigger loads because one phase will always keep magnetising .
So, if you need an emergency power supply in your home, just use any prime mover (for example grass cutter petrol engine ), connect it with a v-belt with 3 phase induction motor ( 4 pole,1450 rpm) , connect 3 working type capacitors ( 11-18 microfarad per phase) to motor terminals and run engine at 1500 rpm. You will have 230V/50Hz supply, power will be nominal motor power.
Cheers,
Pix
One motor stripped.
Now, hardest part to nicely modify rotor with permanent magnets. Measuring, calculations, planning, choosing proper magnets, careful machining.
It will take longer.
Cheers,
Pix
Nice work pix! I see you know a lot more about such motors than I first thought. I just didn't believe the guy in the youtube video is an honest builder but it looks like you may be onto something good here.
Curious what is the item in a white box with red and two blue caps (outlets?) shown in one of your pics above?
I am leaning towards this video being fake. As Floor pointed out- this person also has a video claiming free energy by putting spoons on a speaker. Any credibility this video has is negated by the fact that the channel is proven to spew fake news.
Quote from: e2matrix on January 28, 2022, 11:35:39 AM
Nice work pix! I see you know a lot more about such motors than I first thought. I just didn't believe the guy in the youtube video is an honest builder but it looks like you may be onto something good here.
Curious what is the item in a white box with red and two blue caps (outlets?) shown in one of your pics above?
Distribution panel, power supply for driving motor .
Cheers,
pix
Quote from: floodrod on January 28, 2022, 12:05:57 PM
I am leaning towards this video being fake. As Floor pointed out- this person also has a video claiming free energy by putting spoons on a speaker. Any credibility this video has is negated by the fact that the channel is proven to spew fake news.
I think opposite.
Other videos are BS, but this one I find plausible. I was thinking about similiar setup but never did anything real about it.
That's why I started my own project.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on January 28, 2022, 12:12:01 PM
I think opposite.
Other videos are BS, but this one I find plausible. I was thinking about similiar setup but never did anything real about it.
That's why I started my own project.
Cheers,
Pix
I've been wrong more times than I've been right.. I'll be watching and I hope you prove me wrong..
Quote from: floodrod on January 28, 2022, 12:05:57 PM
I am leaning towards this video being fake. As Floor pointed out- this person also has a video claiming free energy by putting spoons on a speaker. Any credibility this video has is negated by the fact that the channel is proven to spew fake news.
It is not the "same person"...this Chanel just uploads videos from different sources...and yes, I agree there is also a lot of BS Fake stuff.
I agree with Pix, this video here looks pretty good...plus, why spent so much time building all this project, then adding videos to explain and show there is no hidden wires in HD...plus all other possibilities of fraud asked by random people?
Cheers
Ufopolitics
@Pix,
Since you are starting your calculations of magnets size and strength...I will share this tip, even tough am pretty sure you know it.
In a Generator, the Inducing Magnetic Field width sould be around the size of the Wire Loops width on Stator...
Cheers and good build!!
Ufopolitics
Quote from: bistander on January 27, 2022, 02:42:42 PM
Hi Ufo & all,
It's called a Lundell or claw rotor
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Exploded-view-of-a-Lundell-alternator-3_fig3_237464668 (https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Exploded-view-of-a-Lundell-alternator-3_fig3_237464668)
And replacing it with PMs cannot increase voltage X10 unless RPM is increased X10.
bi
Edit, ps. Skew of magnets or pole face edge is done to reduce cogging. No magic there.
Hello Bistander,
Like I said before, I am very familiar with these type of Alternators...
If you notice, the Inducing Coil runs parallel to Shaft-Axle, and not like in a Home Generator where the Field is Directly projected into the Stator Coils Loops...
On this Alternator the Magnetic Field is REDIRECTED in the Steel Core, generating all upper Claws to be of One pole while the bottom ones are the opposite pole...so, they alternate into NSNSNSNS...etc.
The center Inducing Coil works on 12V DC, after rectified by the Diodes Bridge...and fed by continuous slip ring-brushes into the rotor.
Point here is that by setting Neo Magnets the way they did, the Fields Increase is MUCH greater than original config...plus, it projects field DIRECTLY into the stator wire loops...
These type of Alternators can not produce a Sinewave just like a typical Home one would do @ 60 Hertz typical 120V type deal...simply because of this fact of fields-loops config...
So, a Single Phase Home Generator (eg: Two Poles) is required to spin at 3600 RPM's to generate the 60 Hertz cycle...
This type of Alternator (once configured with two Neos by each Claw) does not need to go at 3600 to generate same power, but much less speed.
Regards
Ufopolitics
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 28, 2022, 01:51:16 PM
It is not the "same person"...this Chanel just uploads videos from different sources...
Are you sure?
I poked around his channel and it's full of the same voice, same intro in all the vids, and the descriptions on all of these alternator translations the uploader claims ownership of the project..
Here's one off the same channel that seems like the same guy telling us we can put a coil between 2 repelling magnets and run a playstation or 3 light bulbs from the output. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbm7vi4pP_M
And this one tells us if we jam some wires into a cucumber and label it - and +, we get continual arcing from the power locked up in a cucumber! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdiZG0gb5eg
Quote from: Ufopolitics on January 28, 2022, 01:59:13 PM
@Pix,
In a Generator, the Inducing Magnetic Field width sould be around the size of the Wire Loops width on Stator...
Ufopolitics
Can't be this way. Magnet width has to be calculated individually to particular stator windings configuration,around size of distance between neighbouring grooves. All depends how your windings are done.
In my case I've spent all day to firure out my motors winding configuration. It is 4 pole 36 grooves motor. Given rotor diameter and windings layout I know already number and sizes of magnets I have to use.
24 magnets, width max 8mm, slotted 8 mm. Opposite magnet poles has to cut coil loop at the same time.
Cheers,
Pix
Quote from: pix on January 29, 2022, 02:54:58 PM
Can't be this way. Magnet width has to be calculated individually to particular stator windings configuration,around size of distance between neighbouring grooves. All depends how your windings are done.
In my case I've spent all day to firure out my motors winding configuration. It is 4 pole 36 grooves motor. Given rotor diameter and windings layout I know already number and sizes of magnets I have to use.
24 magnets, width max 8mm, slotted 8 mm. Opposite magnet poles has to cut coil loop at the same time.
Cheers,
Pix
I did not write "magnet width"...I wrote
Magnetic Field widthMagnetic Field is actually what penetrates the loop causing the induced current...
You should first study an Alternator Stator Windings configuration, which is what the video you have uploaded is based on...then realize the Magnetic FIELD that is created replacing all the cut claws per wire winding (not looped)
But then again, it is your time and money, I was just trying to render my point of views.
Good luck on your project!!
Cheers
Ufopolitics
This is another one. :)
Very crude but works.
How to generate homemade infinite energy with a washing machine motor and an engine ⚡💡💡⚡ - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opcytIgwVWs)
I hope this week to make progress with my project. Ordering magnets, rotor diameter has to be reduced on the turning machine.
Cheers,
Pix
By the way...
Yesterday I found this video, and I laughed out loud...not because of its veracity...but because this guy does not even have tools to do this job...I mean, he takes off the main alternator shaft Nut....with a Chisel and a carpenter hammer...destroy the nut at end, but takes it off...LOL
Video is not edited...
However, he gets it finished, roughly built like hell, ...but it works!!
And if you look closely, those Bulbs are not LED's...but Incandescent Bulbs.
...and not "associated" at all to "Tecnología Oculta website"...
I turned Car Dynamo into 230V Generator (https://youtu.be/4CwNK8AMnrs)
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Quote from: pix on January 30, 2022, 11:38:27 AM
This is another one. :)
Very crude but works.
How to generate homemade infinite energy with a washing machine motor and an engine ⚡💡💡⚡ - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opcytIgwVWs)
I hope this week to make progress with my project. Ordering magnets, rotor diameter has to be reduced on the turning machine.
Cheers,
Pix
I would like to see any of these "generators" powering an Air Compressor...or even a small refrigerator...or a wall, small Air Conditioner...
From what I see, it is fine powering small loads, like drills, electric saws and light bulbs...but how about big loads like I mentioned?
IMHO, I believe these generators will crash down trying to power an Air Compressor, for example.
I mean, that is the way to really test the real output of any generator at Peak Output.
However, if they all are real, then they set a point of looping Energy and still some extra to power other components, and that is just great advantage!!
I will try myself a simple setup...I do have it all to do it...but not at this time though...very busy.
Cheers
Ufopolitics
Hey Ufo
It will be the key to opening the flood gates to an open system. If it can run a grinder, then it can be used to run in an outside enclosure with lots of batts and inverters. Run it constant for a given set of bats and inverter pair. Wire the house with separate circuits and have as many units to keep the system charged.
One 250 watt solar can charge a lot of bats with ample sun.
thay
I was distracted by the Luling machine when I saw these devices. I tried something with magnets and different alternators. If we look at the windmill guys who also convert car alternators into generators, you need extremely strong neodymium magnets to start with. Once you have mounted it, there is an enormous resistance due to the metal laminations in the stator. So a lot of power is already needed to turn the generator. The amount of power that is ultimately produced is much lower than the thousands of kilowatts that are claimed. We also don't see really heavy devices connected. Some are capable of using extremely smart video trucks. But when I see very poor people making these machines I can't imagine how they are able to fake it. There are also machines that have a flywheel, that makes everything different. Anyway, a lot of time is wasted on a machine that in the end is not 100% sure that it works. There are no plans and questions are not answered. They harvest extremely many views and get some money for it. More confidence in the Luling machine, no scam there for sure.
Sadly it seems to be another Scam, only wondering why some similar constructions are working.
The Video should be 100% fake, at one position on the plexiglas cube you can see the shadow of a power wire going into the wooden board.
Also they do not go fully arround the device by filming it in running modus.
When he hold it in his hands he hides the wire going under his clothes in the left arm. they put cartons boards all over the floor to hide the wire going up to his left leg.
On the left side you even could see the inverter powered by the wallsocket
They had really a lot of action to hide everything...;-)...so they do not create free energy...but they create free money by advertising...
Question for skybiker63,
In the video when he is walking around with the unit, at exactly the 16:15 time frame, what is that black wire just above his left wrist?
It happens very quickly so you might have to slow the video down to see it.
Thanks, Dusty
Yes excactly Dusty, this is the wire I also saw, even on your picture you can see the cartons on the floor to hide the wir. You even can see the line of wire under his clothes.
The same wire you can see when it is standing on the clear plastic cube...comming from backside. Now we aproved that this is another scam.
The first points which made me sceptic was their crazy talk about a patent by an oil company...next was that the device did not react to any power consuption as the drilling machine.
They allready used the backside wire trick in another video...this is really high quality scam
so the guy has a wire hanging in his room and some cardboard on the ground... where on earth do you guys see any connection to the machine he picks up and is moving around ?!
Ok guys, movie is fake.
I replicated this with 3 hase ansynchronous motor, which have much more coil windings and longer coil-magnet active length. I used 12 slotted rows of neodymium magnets 40x15x6mm on rotor circumference, 24 pcs in total, rotor active length 90mm.
Summarize topics with points:
1. With car alternator you can get 40-60V maximum, because of short active side of coil windings. No matter how strong magnets you install. I spoke with guy who already tried car alternator.
2. With 3 phase motor ( 2,2kW, 1450 rpm, 230/400V) I got 153V at 1200 rpm, 178V at 1700 rpm, 197-200V at 2000 rpm.
3. Incadescent bulbs works fine, but very poor performance to run induction loads on it. I tried my Bosh 800W drill and it was running very slowly, I could stop it by my hand.
4. Not possible to self run with another induction motor.
5. Very inefficient generator. In fact my firts test with running ansynchronous motor on speed above nominal (1450 rpm) with capacitors connected in triangle was more succesfull and I know now that simple 3 phase ansynchronous motor can work as very efficient ansynchronous generator without any modifications.
So guys, don't bother trying to replicate.
This video is fake, guys just earn money by numbers of views, produce something that attract people to get their attention.
Cheers,
Pix
MAYBE WE SHOULD SPEND OUR VALUABLE TIME ON THIS ONE.
http://www.rexresearch.com/angelo/angelo.htm
Great Idea, sounds super interesting
I reckon UFO should be very interested into getting the gist of this
super invention.
pix, sorry that didn't work out but thanks for trying. Although there were strong indicators at least from my perspective that this was a scam
we never know for sure without trying. It's just that nearly all youtube vids on free energy are scams and when you see one person or channel there
posting a whole lot of different devices claiming free energy then there is a very good chance it's fake. That particular poster had videos that were clearly
fake although the one you replicated was fairly extensive in it's deception.
The last youtube video I saw which seemed a real OU device was Pierre's device discussed here: https://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/
Hi,
I just finish and test my car alternator...
On rotor are magnets 30x10x10 N35
https://www.ebay.de/itm/233951477802?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
When I run it with drilling machine on 2500rpm I get 8V of alternate current... I dont know how much wattage I get... i must test...
so far for now...
@rstergear
I told You guys, trying car alternator is not going to give impressive results.
Because active length of stator coil sides "l" interacting with rotor magnets is not long.
Induced electromotive force E=lBVsin alpha
My modified 3 phase motor is much better, gives 170-200V depending of rpms.
It is very important to figure out windings configuration on the stator and position magnets properly, so at the same time one coil side is cut by N pole and other by S pole of rotating rotor.
Otherwise , if you mess it up induced voltages in separate coil will cancel instead of adding up.
Also air gap between rotor and stator is cruicial, so precise machining is important.
Rough designs done with a instant glue having air gap much more than 1mm are poor efficiency.
8 Volts @ 2500rpm is too low, something wrong in your design.
Typically , properly done car alternator will give 40-60V max.
Cheers,
Pix
PS.
It is worth investigating which design is better, and this will be my next task for 3 phase motor:
a) opposite magnetic poles cutting active coil sides , according to Faraday formula E=lBVsin alpha. This design implements number of magnets= number of poles x number of phases. For 4 pole motor gives 12 magnets on the rotor N-S-N-S.....
b) opposite magnetic poles cutting coil loops, according to formula E=dB/dt. In this design magnetic pole width = individual coil loop width. In 2 pole motor (3000 rpm) that would be 2 pole design of magnets on the rotor (N-S), in 4 pole motor ( 1500 rpm) that would be 4 pole magnets design on the rotor(N-S-N-S)
Why do you say the alternator for cars are not efficient ? Without diodes, the car's alternator is a 3 phases alternative power.
Quote from: activ25 on March 19, 2022, 04:36:19 AM
Why do you say the alternator for cars are not efficient ? Without diodes, the car's alternator is a 3 phases alternative power.
Because:
1. It was already tried by other guys. There is a forum dedicated for a wind power projects full of topics and projects for conversion of car alternators, washing machine motors ect. with permanent magnets. And guys report maximum 60V on modified car alternators.
2. According to formula E=BLv sin (alpha) voltage induced in the conductor immersed in moving magnetic field is depending on magnetic field strength "B", length of inductor "L", how fast is relative speed of movement "v", and angle between vector of magnetic field lines and condictor "alpha".
So, you could see, car alternator is shorter than washing machine motor or typical 3 phase motor- induced voltage will be smaller.
Cheers,
Pix
Thanks for the explanation Pix. Sure, car alternator is not as good in that case.