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Title: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: Tarsier_79 on October 01, 2022, 05:18:19 PM
This is not my device:
English video:
https://www.hwcv.org/empty-pagef738a1ef
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: MagnaProp on October 02, 2022, 02:15:31 AM
Thanks for sharing your device.
I am a little confused as to how it works.

(1_StickMovesUp.jpg) = Capillary part causes stick to moves up. I think I understand this part.

(2_Clockwise.jpg) = Capillary is on the left side of image and stick moves up, which causes clockwise rotation. I think I understand this part.

(3_Clockwise.jpg) = The capillary is now on the right side of image and the stick is shown moving down it causing clockwise rotation. I don't understand this part. I would expect the stick to move up the right side capillary causing a counter clockwise rotation.

Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: Tarsier_79 on October 02, 2022, 04:02:04 PM
It is not my device. I have not seen one IRL. I do not know if it is a true working device. If it does work, I imagine it will have very limited power.

The capillary is always only on the left. The author has drawn the meniscus created by the ring on the right.

This capillary lift is the part that interests me. From what I understand, the open truncated cone's opening is only 5mm.
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: Sergh on October 03, 2022, 03:36:11 AM
This is good.

Capillary effect - van der Waals force - Casimir effect - vacuum quantum energy.

Vacuum quantum energy - "Zero-Point energy" -  greatest amount of energy in a cubic centimeter.

To obtain a large amount of energy, it is probably necessary to use billions of nanoscale capillaries in spontaneously structured substances.

It will be better to convert nanoscale mechanical energy into chemical energy, for example, into energy for chemical reduction reactions. (RedOx reactions)

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The total amount of solar energy absorbed by the atmosphere, land surface and ocean is approximately 3 850 000 exajoules (EJ) per year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_energy)
1 exajoule = 10 in 18th joules.

1 cubic centimeter of vacuum theoretically contains 1 0000000 0000000000 0000000000 0000000000 0000000000 0000000000 0000000000 0000000000 0000000000 exajoules .    :o
it is quite possible to evaporate all oceans with such gigantic energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6jAOV7bZ3Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6jAOV7bZ3Y)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh898Yr5YZ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh898Yr5YZ8)
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: skywatcher on October 03, 2022, 07:44:33 AM
It has been debunked long time ago, and there has been not even one successful replication.
https://scienceblogs.de/kritisch-gedacht/2010/09/01/sommerratsel-gelost-das-perpetuum-immobile-des-hans-weidenbusch/?all=1
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: Sergh on October 03, 2022, 08:37:06 AM
Quote from: skywatcher on October 03, 2022, 07:44:33 AM
It has been debunked long time ago
Debunked?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d74a6uKAz2o
How it works?
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: kolbacict on October 03, 2022, 02:15:21 PM
Wesley said that there are no perpetual motion machines.
So this cannot be. :)
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: Tarsier_79 on October 03, 2022, 03:41:43 PM
QuoteIt has been debunked long time ago, and there has been not even one successful replication.
https://scienceblogs.de/kritisch-gedacht/2010/09/01/sommerratsel-gelost-das-perpetuum-immobile-des-hans-weidenbusch/?all=1

That is exactly the opposite of what the HWVC video shows. I would like to replicate the demonstration, but don't know when I will get the time.

The problem: if it is surface tension, not buoyancy pulling the stick up, which I believe might be the case, this mechanism will not be usable.

There is the addition of the ferrofluid to consider, and its much greater fluid height with the addition of a magnet.
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: ramset on October 03, 2022, 05:18:43 PM
Tarsier_79

Perhaps you could model or propose the experiment for proof of concept ( independent verification ?


What would you consider ?
Maybe some could find time ?


Respectfully
Chet
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: Tarsier_79 on October 04, 2022, 04:42:33 AM
Firstly, I am going to just try to replicate the stick in the capillary tube. That will be the easiest. Then I guess I will progress to ferro-fluid rising up a cylinder, and floating a non-ferrous float in it.

I am not sure what "magnetic chain" means. I think the translation isn't the best.
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: ramset on October 04, 2022, 11:30:22 AM
Sir
thank you for replying
below link I think could be somehow incorporated in the thought experiments happening on this thread sponges ?
There have even been claims of Zoelite absorbing and releasing with tiny charges ?


https://overunity.com/16235/evaporation-driven-self-sustaining-system/msg571126/#new (https://overunity.com/16235/evaporation-driven-self-sustaining-system/msg571126/#new)


How wonderful it would be if such passive elements could lead to useful energy


Respectfully
Chet





Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: skywatcher on October 04, 2022, 03:21:06 PM
Quote from: Tarsier_79 on October 04, 2022, 04:42:33 AM
Firstly, I am going to just try to replicate the stick in the capillary tube. That will be the easiest. Then I guess I will progress to ferro-fluid rising up a cylinder, and floating a non-ferrous float in it.

I am not sure what "magnetic chain" means. I think the translation isn't the best.

They mean a chain of ball magnets.
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: Tarsier_79 on October 04, 2022, 08:47:05 PM
QuoteThey mean a chain of ball magnets.

Im not sure a magnetic chain would actually achieve anything, nor add a positive to the mechanism.
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: floodrod on October 04, 2022, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: Tarsier_79 on October 02, 2022, 04:02:04 PM
If it does work, I imagine it will have very limited power.

I agree..  A slow moving magnet ring will produce next to nothing. (if it even works)...   I would imagine jabbing a potato or a lemon would produce more than this.  Or even hanging a wire from a tree to a cap to ground to collect radiant energy.

On a side note- The other month I got 1/2 a volt jabbing my Aloe Vera plant. lol.  I pictured my wife's reaction when she wakes up and sees our Aloe Vera houseplant with 5 dozen capacitors jabbed into it. 
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: FreeEnergy on October 06, 2022, 09:52:53 PM


Guys! go watch the videos on this page: https://www.hwcv.org/page-3


I don't understand the language but what they showed gave me a much better understanding.



Looks easy enough to experiment.







Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: kolbacict on October 08, 2022, 04:52:33 AM
Well, maybe from one capillary there is very little energy in practice. Or must be a lot of them.
The case with magnetic fluid is more interesting.
A year or two ago, I suggested using a variable density magnetic fluid, and I had a question.
But no one, as always, paid attention to it.  :)
Then I'll ask again, the density of the magnetic fluid, which is higher than the level of a large bath
and which is surrounded by a ring magnet is largest than the rest magnetic liquid , isn't it?
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: kolbacict on October 14, 2022, 04:33:18 AM
There is an opinion  that the magnetic fluid suspended by a magnet on the right side will not push the float. Because the magnetic fluid will not have buoyant properties.  :(
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: Tarsier_79 on October 21, 2022, 04:02:06 PM
If the right side cannot push the float higher, the float on the left and the right will remain at the same level, even though the level has dropped on the left.

Alternatively, as a progression of this thought, I imagine you could suck the level lower on the left with a submerged magnet. For there not to be an imbalance of force, there would have to be an increase in buoyant force on this side. I do not think that is the case. There has to be an imbalance. Surely the "ring" cannot be magnetic at all, sliding through the magnetic fields unhindered.

I wonder if the suspended iron in the ferro-fluid creates a structure within the fluid, increasing resistance to the hypothetical ring?
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: kolbacict on October 22, 2022, 06:13:34 AM
Quote from: Tarsier_79 on October 21, 2022, 04:02:06 PM
Alternatively, as a progression of this thought, I imagine you could suck the level lower on the left with a submerged magnet.
You can make it even easier, just use two liquids of different densities. But there will be no OU. 8)

QuoteI wonder if the suspended iron in the ferro-fluid creates a structure within the fluid, increasing resistance to the hypothetical ring?
Certainly structures of different density are created in the magnetic fluid under the influence of an external magnetic field.
Title: Re: hwvc.org capillary power
Post by: sm0ky2 on October 29, 2022, 03:28:35 PM
Quote from: kolbacict on October 08, 2022, 04:52:33 AM
Well, maybe from one capillary there is very little energy in practice. Or must be a lot of them.
The case with magnetic fluid is more interesting.
A year or two ago, I suggested using a variable density magnetic fluid, and I had a question.
But no one, as always, paid attention to it.  :)
Then I'll ask again, the density of the magnetic fluid, which is higher than the level of a large bath
and which is surrounded by a ring magnet is largest than the rest magnetic liquid , isn't it?


it may be that the densities balance out by a factor of the height.