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An explanation of where we come from ?
Or before Big Bang.
Tru or False its a beautiful explanation.

Bump
( a painful read for me ...mind bending ..however!!
Thanks for sharing


Chet

 



2. The creation from nothing
   

Quote from: ramset on October 31, 2022, 10:28:32 AM
Bump
( a painful read for me ...mind bending ..however!!
Thanks for sharing


Chet

Thank you Chet free response.

There are a few flaws in the article:
quote:

QuoteThe speed is steadily increased until it (hypothetically) becomes infinite. The universal creation-deepl c2.pdf (https://overunity.com/19277/1-the-origin-of-the-universe/dlattach/attach/188677/) 

QuoteSuppose that an iron ball is being hurled around on a rope according to a circular path. The speed is steadily increased until it (hypothetically) becomes infinite. Then the situation can be described as a massive ring of iron because the ball is at every point of that orbit simultaneously. The bullet is then constantly existing at every point.

answer:
the hypothetical BS practically  is a BS nothing more.
Axiom:
Nothing with mass can travel as fast as the speed of light, or faster (according to relativity). !!!!!
_{Please read article: These 4 Cosmic Phenomena Travel Faster Than The Speed of Light
4-cosmic-phenomena-that-travel-faster-than-the-speed-of-light- (https://www.sciencealert.com/4-cosmic-phenomena-that-travel-faster-than-the-speed-of-light-science#:~:text=Einstein%27s%20special%20theory%20of%20relativity%20permanently%20tied%20mass,can%20move%20as%20fast%20as%20light%2C%20or%20faster.)}

Axiom:
But what  about mass-less photon?:
Photons are massless, and they always move at the speed of light in vacuum, 299 792 458 m/s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#:~:text=Photons%20are%20massless%2C%20and%20they%20always%20move%20at,properties%20of%20both%20waves%20and%20particles%20.%20%5B2%5D)
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conclusion:
the guy has a real problem.

and he talks in his article about velocity too.
please start reading from words:

QuoteOnce the velocity is infinite, the concepts of velocity and direction of rotation disappear ...
The universal creation-deepl c2.pdf (https://overunity.com/19277/1-the-origin-of-the-universe/dlattach/attach/188677/)

He doesn't understand the difference between speed _and velocity, _and phase velocity, _and group velocity,
For all of you kids let's start from kindergarten article:
Speed and Velocity, What Are They?
https://www.embibe.com/exams/speed-and-velocity/ (https://www.embibe.com/exams/speed-and-velocity/)
then go to high school:
Phase velocity and wave velocity
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/phase-velocity-and-wave-velocity.916026/ (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/phase-velocity-and-wave-velocity.916026/)

and then move to the University but first semester only:
Wave Velocity vs. Phase Velocity
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/251607/wave-velocity-vs-phase-velocity (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/251607/wave-velocity-vs-phase-velocity)

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summary:
Due to the advance of physics, geology, anthropology, archaeology, Earth science,
creationists : the dying out dinosaurs of collapsing business known as
"making money from nothing" now are trying to convince
the revolting from spirituality crowd to stay spiritual.
An unhappy monk paid by not so happy priest who is paid by  Bishop in fear
and so on...
- is now trying to employ science.

Poor Einstein must be condemned forever (but in secrecy) for limiting speed
of mass into the speed of light.
But Einstein name is too great for the church to condemn him officially..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein)

however Darwin is even worse....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin)

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thousands years ago everything was so simple:
28 and 33 AD,
happy crowd wanted to get heavily drunk
Russian vodka wasn't known yet.
And miracle happened when one of the guys called Jesus turned water into wine, making him a promoter of alcoholism.
But today science  requires  from all tricks and tweaks to be repeatable.

Wesley in few minutes turned all that article from hardly readable into holy gibberish.
but who knows Wesley...
spiritual followers are likely not in his level yet and they don't want to be.
   
holly crap:
anyone wants to respond?
be my guest.



Wesley

Holy crap:


Spin something faster than light hypothetically.
That's really stupid....

Quote from: Feb2006 on November 27, 2022, 06:54:11 AM
Holy crap:
Spin something faster than light hypothetically.
That's really stupid....

animal basic needs are:
_{air
water
food
shelter
safety
sleep
fur (in some cases)}
human animal basic needs are:
_{air
water
food
shelter
safety
sleep
clothing (in some cases)}
___________________________________
_{human beings are the only animals that can form a concept of their own species and ask how their species differs from others.
But we have a hard time figuring out what our species is, and how it differs from others.}
                                                                                        Allen W. Wood

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however apart from a need of:
feeding, fighting, fleeing and uh - reproduction, some of human animals have desire too :
_{- to go to the bathroom that was built by another animal, and paid
by other spiritual animals, he must become a priest.-their money-collector.
And for that to happen some sort of God must be invented and implemented.}
_______________________________________________
and then, that happy animal accompanied by feelings of pleasure after all previous displeasure can shit into the toilet bowl happily ever after..
securing his business with serious pseudo-scientific explanations because
crowd got smarter now days.

Till one day, Albert Einstein comes up with his relativity
Darwin with theory of evolution
and now happy priest animal in fear of revolution can't shit into that toilet
so happily any longer.

Wesley

as long is you stay atheist you will be forever lost ... .. world is advancing forward and you are talking non sense here go look for help in darwin grave see if he will help you cause he was one of the dumb and dumbest.... energy forum thats what people are interested here .. change ur subject

Quote from: selveti on November 27, 2022, 09:04:01 AM
1.stay atheist you will be forever lost ... ..
2.world is advancing forward
3.go look for help in darwin grave   
4.energy  that's what people are interested here ..

questions spiritual animals unlikely responds to:
reg1: lost forever from what? _{provide the proof, evidence, scientific explanation-based on proven concept.}
reg2: world is advancing your standard of life, because of science that leads technology, and not by any other way right?
reg3: is there any scientifically, materialistically present, and practically proven evidence of "help" you talking about?
reg4: I am the animal that is likely leading here with the most of technically advanced and energy related comments out of  3380 of them
am I not?  _{provide the proof, evidence, scientific explanation}

summary:

The animal writing about what happens with infinite velocities is just nonsense.
You might as well theorize what happens when a unicorn spontaneously  comes into existence.
We have discussed that speed is a scalar quantity and velocity is a  vector quantity.
and base on Einstein's theory of relativity the article in question is a complete nonsense.
And that was the purpose of the whole topic here !!!



species: a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding.
The species is the principal natural taxonomic unit, ranking below a genus and denoted by a Latin binomial, e.g. Homo sapiens.

You my friend are assign officially as a species by science that gave you your computer so you can now write me back.
and if you want to express your opinion in regards to article we were talking about
be my guest
Wesley

Nether Einsteins or Darwins theories are an explanation of whats was-is before Big Bang.

These chapters are the best explanation I come across.
True or false it's a beautiful explanation.
I only post them her for you to read, not to fight over.

Quote from: Feb2006 on November 27, 2022, 10:56:53 AM
Nether Einsteins or Darwins theories are an explanation of whats was-is before Big Bang.

they didn't have to. Their contribution provided elements we are based on, like a bricks, building blocks.
and that is what creates our explanation.
David Albert  Einstein has memorably criticised (https://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/books/review/a-universe-from-nothing-by-lawrence-m-krauss.html) accounts of the Big Bang which promise to get something from nothing in this way.

Quote from: Feb2006 on November 27, 2022, 10:56:53 AM
I only post them for you to read, not to fight over.

we are not fighting, we are presenting real, scientifically standing opinion
about article written by uneducated author , or completely dumb individual, or individual with  an agenda.


1. nothing comes from nothing.
_{For something to exist, there must be material or a component available, and for them to be available, there must be something else available.
The first atoms formed out of simpler particles,
atoms came into existence around one ten-thousandth of a second after the Big Bang.
The first long-lived matter particles of any kind were protons and neutrons, which together make up the atomic nucleus.
and before that there was short-lived elementary particles, including quarks, the building blocks of protons and neutrons
Quark, has an antimatter "mirror image" companion, which is near identical to itself, differing only in one aspect.}
However, matter and antimatter annihilate in a flash of energy when they meet, meaning these particles were constantly created and destroyed.

2. even a vacuum,  corresponding to empty spacetime, is full of physical activity in the form of energy fluctuations.
_{These fluctuations can give rise to particles popping out, only to disappear shortly after.
this process is absolutely present repeatable and achievable today in our labs.}

3. spacetime
"Planck epoch (http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/NatSci102/NatSci102/lectures/eraplanck.htm)" – a period so early in the Universe's history
_{This era occurred only one ten-millionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.
At this point}, space and time themselves _{became subject to} quantum fluctuations

4. quantum state of the entire Universe at the beginning of the Planck epoch.
-multiverse, which contains an infinite number of parallel universes, or cyclical models of the Universe, being born and reborn again.

And everything is based on one simple factor energy can be converted to mass and reverse.
<sub>like electricity to another form of energy , wood into energy in your furnace
And energy can be converted into matter with mass  M = E / c 2. 

In fact, the entire universe was born in the Big Bang when a whole lot of energy was turned into mass.
For example, burning a gallon of gasoline (3.78 liters) releases about 132 million joules of energy,
which is enough energy to make 14 ng of mass. This is roughly the mass of a single particle of very finely ground flour.
https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Mass-energy_equivalence (https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Mass-energy_equivalence#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20the%20entire%20universe%20was%20born%20in,a%20single%20particle%20of%20very%20finely%20ground%20flour.)

however:</sub>
Patrick Das Gupta proposed :
_{when a high energy gamma photon converts to an electron and a positron in the presence of a nucleus,
some books wrongly say that energy has got converted to matter.
The right thing is: Total energy of the gamma photon, E= h nu has mass h nu/c^2 and is equal to 2 m c^2/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
where m is the rest mass of the electron, and v is the speed of electron (positron) in the rest frame of the nucleus.
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-example-of-conversion-of-energy-to-mass-according-to-E-mc2 (https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-example-of-conversion-of-energy-to-mass-according-to-E-mc2)}

5.The beginning of times
a four-dimensional fabric called "space-time." _{(by Einstein)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime)
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/04may_epic/ (https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/04may_epic/)}

it was energy in equilibrium in space-time.
_{where energy comes from?
https://socratic.org/questions/where-did-the-energy-that-caused-the-big-bang-originate
(https://socratic.org/questions/where-did-the-energy-that-caused-the-big-bang-originate#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20theories%20that%20have%20been%20devised,to%20be%20a%20part%20of%20the%20standard%20model.)}
The pre-inflationary vacuum in the cosmic microwave background
https://www.arxiv-vanity.com/papers/astro-ph/0612006/ (https://www.arxiv-vanity.com/papers/astro-ph/0612006/)

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conclusion:
_{in the total and constant equilibrium in} pre-inflationary vacuum _{there was disturbance that created
manifestation of disbalance in form of energy.
Creationists see in it the holy finger.
Curvature of space-time was disturbed, leading to interaction of elements in} disbalance leading to
big bang _{and today's discussion.}



How do you know that this is true?

if a man from the beginning of 18 century was told about electromagnetic waves he would expect
a proof of its existence.
However none of scientists nor their critics were able to prove it right or wrong.
-advancement of science provides answers with time and proves it's existence .


-religion provides answers requesting not to be proven at any time that are changing under the pressure of
  advanced  science and technology with time passing by.

examples:
Copernicus, flipped upside down geocentism from geocentric into heliocentric throwing holy heaven from the sky into nowhere,
Darwin shake hands with gorillas and other animals throwing human into mammals
Albert Einstein screwed Holly creation of creationists throwing holy books into questioning the holiness of disturbed equilibrium
before big bang.
but  time is going on we are finding more answers to our questions that are absolutely not supporting any holiness
and any Gods.

Wesley

Quote from: stivep on November 27, 2022, 12:56:59 PM

conclusion:
_{in the total and constant equilibrium in} pre-inflationary vacuum _{there was disturbance that created
manifestation of disbalance in form of energy.
Creationists see in it the holy finger.
Curvature of space-time was disturbed, leading to interaction of elements in} disbalance leading to
big bang _{and today's discussion.}

So you believe that the start of the universe was a random event.
Not a conscious creation.
And every one believing so is dumb.
I for one think you are very little man afraid of peeking outside your box.
And be able to se both possibilities.

Quote from: Feb2006 on November 27, 2022, 03:02:26 PM
So you believe that the start of the universe was a random event.
Not a conscious creation.
And every one believing so is dumb.

Physics is based on models.
When model becomes outdated - it is exchanged with the new one.
Ideal physicist  duty is believing in nothing and deliver scientifically supported data.

Everyone has rights to believe in whatever. If you are happy with it that is your business.
Nobody is dump. Diversity makes us smart and professional in something others are not .

A priest     unlikely gets job as a microchip maker in Silicon Valley.
Dentist      unlikely becomes construction guy.
Electrician  unlikely becomes a surgeon.

Quote from: Feb2006 on November 27, 2022, 03:02:26 PM
I for one think you are very little man afraid of peeking outside your box.
And be able to se both possibilities.

A dog barking all around wants to send the message.
but average human animal have a problem to interpret it.
Your arguments, are not listed
Your position in discussion doesn't point at any reference nor facts.
I don't understand the basis of your protest.. nor the dog do...
Give that dog some of Polish kielbasa maybe he starts to understand.
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The entire holy gibberish doesn't have facts. Creationists refers to quotes - numbered verses, quoting other people
who were quoting, those before them, who didn't even know how to write it then.
And all that entire holy gibberish was sent from father to son whose son finally learned alphabet.

Give me something physical that I can stand on, that I can analyze can you?
Take any one of my arguments and scrutinize it with knowledge and facts
and I will say thank you..


that entire article (https://overunity.com/Themes/default/images/icons/clip.gif) The universal creation-deepl c1.pdf (https://overunity.com/19277/1-the-origin-of-the-universe/dlattach/attach/188485/)
is a piece of garbage based on factors listed here:
  Re: 1. The origin of the universe (https://overunity.com/19277/1-the-origin-of-the-universe/msg571949/#msg571949)  « Reply #3 on: November 26, 2022, 08:20:05 PM »



holy crap:
don't tell me that I am wrong - prove me wrong can you?
the problem is that you can't
you are not capable of it
and likely not many people can.



Wesley

AG shared this today
I think it should be placed here !


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PqMZfr3wMHE (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PqMZfr3wMHE)


There are things we all experience which we just can't explain ( and shrug off or dismiss
De-Ja-Vu ... etc


I enjoy the content from OP here , I don't have ability to synthesize it or ...
It's just a place I never go .. my mind is not that big ....like trying to decipher or understand  dejavu...


Perhaps Dr.Greer puts some perspective to other ( non religion) options!


Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Ultimately we are a group searching for FE ( or as some refer overunity)
I actually prefer overunity as this FE sounds like it comes at no cost
And many here have invested lifetime in the hunt !


To make this world a better place for the next generation...


PPS
Back to work....at "this thing we do"
It is the best of "Causes " !!

What is in those chapters was shared by extraterrestrial beings to a religious human.
So the religious twist comes from the human and is obscuring the original message a bit.
The extraterrestrials believes in som sort of creation they calls it the Omni-Creativity.
Those chapters are from a the original book "de Universele Schepping" and they differs
From the English translation by Wendell Stevens.
I don't believe in GOD but Im open for some sort of creational energies.


11. Appendix from the original book.



"This flux of immaterial ether waves spins opposite to atomic mass. They also move opposite to any other energy flux (with mass). An example is electrical energy. When current flows through a wire, the immaterial ether waves move along the outside of the wire in opposite directions and only these cause the magnetic field. Interruption of that ether flux can stop the electric current. The resistance of the wire becomes infinite, as it were.
The reverse, generating current, we do on a large scale. Changing magnetic fields in fact generate ether fluxes in the first place. The very high-frequency ether fluxes of the atom and gravity can also be extinguished. Both the atomic disintegrator and the antigravity generator are based on this principle. Ether theory is still a blind spot in our science."

Quote from: Feb2006 on November 29, 2022, 12:37:08 PM
11. Appendix from the original book.
"This flux of immaterial ether waves spins opposite to atomic mass.

ether doesn't exist , never existed and will never exist.
it is   dead concept from 1800ts.
We are not talking about books  or holly books but about lack of evidence of ether .



Animals such as Christians Buddhists Muslims healed/helped by real human animal surgeon, (using technology and science)-
are thankful to their gods, while their children's at school must pass mandatory exam from Darwin, Einstein,
Copernicus, earth history of science, anthropology, archaeology
Those children are thought that human and other mammals procreation is often in the same exactly doggy style.. and they eventually  find out that they are animals too.
Some of them as grown-ups confused by spirituality  repeat the same to their children too.

And some others wants to reincarnate  ether.
Wesley

ETHER DOES EXIST AND IT HAS IT'S Tensile strength PROVEN BY THE EXISTENCE OF A BLACK HOLE.
ETHER IS A FLUID IN THE FIFTH OR SIX DIMENSION. IT IS THAT FLUID THAT HOLD ALL THE COSMOS
IN MOTION. ALL THE GALAXIES AND STUFF FLOATS IN THE ETHER. ETHER ALLOWS THE EXISTENCE OF ALL
FIELDS AND FORCES. GRAVITY ELECTROMAGNETIC AND EVEN THE SPIRITUAL REALM. AMEN.

Anton shared some perspective! ( from Johns Hopkins university Data coalition
"The Map of observable universe from the milky way to the edge of what can be seen "

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lzZOXb9B9rY (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lzZOXb9B9rY)


Respectfully
Chet K

Albert Einstein said: "Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time ..."
(Albert Einstein gave an address on 5 May 1920 at the University of Leiden)


In 1920 Einstein said about ether corresponding with classical ether. But in his paper in 1924, named "Concerning the Aether", Einstein explained the "aether of general relativity" is not absolute, because matter is influenced by the aether, just as matter influences the structure of the aether.

Quote from: seychelles on November 30, 2022, 05:06:31 AM
ETHER DOES EXIST

There is no scientifically recognized  link to your revelation  and by that   you write about nonsense.
you can't even prove me wrong because of that.
Wesley

Quote from: Feb2006 on November 30, 2022, 11:30:26 AM
Albert Einstein said: "Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time ..."
(Albert Einstein gave an address on 5 May 1920 at the University of Leiden)


In 1920 Einstein said about ether corresponding with classical ether. But in his paper in 1924, named "Concerning the Aether", Einstein explained the "aether of general relativity" is not absolute, because matter is influenced by the aether, just as matter influences the structure of the aether.

You  are right about writing and absolutely wrong in evaluation  of the paper.
In the process of evolution human animal discovered fire and methods  of making one.
It was long before computer  and  promoting alcoholism  Jesus giving more wine to already drunk crowd .
Previous understanding of phenomena around us , was evolving  with  time not only  changing Mendeleev Periodic table ,
https://www.mendeleev.com (https://www.mendeleev.com/#:~:text=The%20Periodic%20Table%20of%20Elements%20%28or%20Mendeleev%27s%20Table%29,a%20defined%20number%20of%20protons%20in%20their%20nucleus.)
https://www.preceden.com/timelines/35726-periodic-table-evolution- (https://www.preceden.com/timelines/35726-periodic-table-evolution-)

-but Bohr Atom from orbital into electron cloud   
https://www.thoughtco.com/bohr-model-of-the-atom-603815 (https://www.thoughtco.com/bohr-model-of-the-atom-603815)
https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-changes-were-made-from-bohr-atom-model-496387 (https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-changes-were-made-from-bohr-atom-model-496387)
and theory of relativity too.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358617464_Ether_and_the_Theory_of_Relativity (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358617464_Ether_and_the_Theory_of_Relativity)
evolving to:
https://www.liquisearch.com/lorentz_ether_theory/the_shift_to_relativity/special_relativity (https://www.liquisearch.com/lorentz_ether_theory/the_shift_to_relativity/special_relativity)
https://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/ (https://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/science/physics/concepts/relativity/evolution-from-classical-theory#:~:text=relativity%3A%20Evolution%20from%20Classical%20Theory%20The%20modern%20theory,another%20system%20in%20uniform%20motion%20relative%20to%20it.)

QuoteEinstein tried to explain his theories to a non-scientific readership as clearly as he could, but his maxim was 'Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler'.

Today Einstein's theory is conformed and Ether is dead.
However  some dinosaurs can't  agree to that.
Wesley

https://energywavetheory.com/explanations/aether/ (https://energywavetheory.com/explanations/aether/)

stivep

QuoteToday Einstein's theory is conformed and Ether is dead.
However  some dinosaurs can't  agree to that.

Obviously that's not true because Einstein's work is still called a "theory" and not a law.
Theory; a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena.

As well, the Aether is not dead and was simply rebranded as dark energy and matter. Even more interesting is the Electric Universe Theory(EU) which doesn't need to cheat like Einstein who made the constants of space and time variable. The EU presumes every space in the universe is full of plasma as a medium, the 4th state of matter, and variable space/time is not needed.

In my opinion, at some point dark energy/matter theory will merge with the electric universe theory to become the new dominant theory.

AC

Quote from: onepower on December 02, 2022, 11:04:24 AM
stivep
Obviously that's not true because Einstein's work is still called a "theory" and not a law.
Theory; a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena.

As well, the Aether is not dead and was simply rebranded as dark energy and matter. Even more interesting is the Electric Universe Theory(EU) which doesn't need to cheat like Einstein who made the constants of space and time variable. The EU presumes every space in the universe is full of plasma as a medium, the 4th state of matter, and variable space/time is not needed.

In my opinion, at some point dark energy/matter theory will merge with the electric universe theory to become the new dominant theory.

AC

The main difference between Theorem and Theory is that the
Theorem is a statement that has been proven on the basis of previously established statements !!!
https://leonardoclarosmd.com (https://leonardoclarosmd.com/qyws74z/hypothesis-vs-theory-vs-theorem#:~:text=The%20main%20difference%20between%20Theorem%20and%20Theory%20is,generalizing%20thinking%2C%20or%20the%20results%20of%20such%20thinking.)

Relativity is referred to as a theorem formulated by Albert Einstein
it is the belief that the laws of physics are the same everywhere.
but Einstein relativity by itself  is no longer belief!!!!

In mathematics, a theorem is a statement that has been proved, or can be proved
_{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theorem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theorem)} where Einstein relativity by itself is proved.
_{https://www.indiatimes.com/technology/news/einstein-theory-of-relativity-proven-black-hole-light-546017.html (https://www.indiatimes.com/technology/news/einstein-theory-of-relativity-proven-black-hole-light-546017.html)
https://www.livescience.com/62946-evidence-for-einstein-theory-of-relativity.html (https://www.livescience.com/62946-evidence-for-einstein-theory-of-relativity.html)}

mentioned by you ether is definitely dead:
Time Stamps 0:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58&t=0s)
Why I made this video
2:41 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58&t=161s) How Faraday Discovered Magneto-Electric Induction
5:33 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58&t=333s) The First Description of Magnetic Fields
8:57 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58&t=537s) How Faraday Discovered the Faraday Cage
9:50 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58&t=590s) The First Description of Electric Fields & Dielectrics
14:34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58&t=874s) Short History of Polarization up to 1824
16:37 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58&t=997s) Faraday experimentally discovers the relation between light & EM
17:48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58&t=1068s) Light as an EM Wave
21:45 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58&t=1305s) Overview of Faraday's Accomplishments
23:05 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58&t=1385s) Maxwell's Equations
25:59 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X42HsZC3B58&t=1559s) NEWS about "The Lightning Tamers"


Wesley

stivep

QuoteRelativity is referred to as a theorem formulated by Albert Einstein
it is the belief that the laws of physics are the same everywhere.
but Einstein relativity by itself  is no longer belief!!!!

Many people in history have claimed there beliefs were the only right ones but in time all were proven wrong. In my opinion it was more a means to glorify themselves for being so clever rather than the pursuit of true knowledge. I'm a little different, I don't worship men or there beliefs I follow nature and we have a lot to learn.

I think your grasping at straws because Einstein himself claimed relativity could never be proven until a medium for translation was proven. This relating to understanding what the Primary Fields(Electric, Magnetic, Gravic) are in reality. You have none of these answers thus you have proven and offer little of consequence in my opinion.

I think of it this way, you believe what you do based on what you know today. However we know as a fact that another man 200 years from now will believe almost nothing you do based on the fact progress is always made. So why would I believe you when I already know your wrong?. Thus I don't care so much what you believe or not, I want to know what the man 200 years from now knows as a fact.

As Tesla eluded, the present may be there's but the future is mine. I am also interested in the future not so much the past.

AC

Quote from: onepower on December 03, 2022, 12:55:58 PM
stivep
1. Many people in history have claimed there beliefs were the only right ones but in time all were proven wrong..
    //I think of it this way, you believe what you do based on what you know today.
       another man 200 years from now will believe almost nothing you do based on//

2. I don't worship men or there beliefs I follow nature and we have a lot to learn.

3. Einstein himself claimed relativity could never be proven until a medium for translation was proven.
This relating to understanding what the Primary Fields(Electric, Magnetic, Gravic) are in reality.
You have none of these answers thus you have proven and offer little of consequence in my opinion.


As Tesla eluded, the present may be there's but the future is mine. I am also interested in the future not so much the past.

AC

reg3:
10 Things Einstein Got Right:
_{https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/954/10-things-einstein-got-right/ (https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/954/10-things-einstein-got-right/)
that by itself is enough to prove general relativity.}

Albert Einstein's theory of relativity was proved on 29 May 1919 at a total solar eclipse.
_{https://www.forbes.com/}
(https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2019/05/29/the-true-story-behind-how-albert-einstein-was-proved-right-at-a-solar-eclipse-100-years-ago-today/?sh=6d1cf3d055a2)Einstein was a pioneer who had dopes, time proved him right.
_{https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-electric-charges-and-m/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-electric-charges-and-m/)}

You're right I can't in this small space I wasn't trying to answer all of possible questions.
Level of eventual reader may not be that of yours, or someone educated more than you, at given subject.
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reg2:

Quote from: onepower on December 03, 2022, 12:55:58 PM
I don't worship men or there beliefs I follow nature and we have a lot to learn.

so is me too.

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reg1:
belief: _{https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/belief (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/belief)}
: "a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing"
-her belief in God
: "something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed"
-an individual's religious or political belief
: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
-belief in the validity of scientific statements

Physicist is thought to don't believe but presume.
so none of the listed options applies physicist.
We take for granted  validity of scientific statements ( instruments) because we checked them and put the sticker of calibration on them.
wording trust or confidence is replaced with words: checked, measured, verified, and conformed.

Definitely I agree that 200 years from now, a lot of models will be perfected.
it is normal because physicists don't operate in the system that is based on beliefs.

Mythical dragons from the Old Testament where proved to be just dinosaurs that died
long before entire holy crap was written. Some human animals 2000 + years ago
found skeletons of them and decided to create holy story good for the people of that time.

And you are right about perception of human animal 200 years from now:
Now days people tries to not mention:
-Old Testament fairytales as it is too intimidating to compare it  with perception of 21st century men   
-now they are officially  animals the mammals,
-miracles ended, in around the time of the death of Jesus.
-Drs. surgeons are healing the patients and God doesn't care any longer,
-human animal male was dominating thousands years ago so God must have to be a man
not the woman and conversation about Jesus private parts and his sexual activity,
or sexual orientation is  silently rejected.

Wesley

https://www.space.com/end-of-einstein-space-time (https://www.space.com/end-of-einstein-space-time)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo4al7sNPkE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo4al7sNPkE)



There is three possibilities.
Quantum mechanics is wrong.
Einstein is wrong.
They both wrong.

stivep

QuoteDefinitely I agree that 200 years from now, a lot of models will be perfected.
it is normal because physicists don't operate in the system that is based on beliefs.

It helps to look at what it was like only 150 years ago...
https://www.insider.com/what-the-world-looked-like-150-years-ago-2020-5#at-the-same-time-people-were-moving-west-as-train-lines-expanded-3

The people 200 years ago could not even imagine the world we know or fathom the rate at which technology is now growing.
https://www.industrytap.com/knowledge-doubling-every-12-months-soon-to-be-every-12-hours/3950
https://cp.ventures/the-exponential-growth-of-technology/

As we can see the exponential growth of knowledge and technology has reached unimaginable levels. We literally learn more new things in a matter of minutes than we did in decades a thousand years ago. So it will not take hundreds of years to overturn all our theories and technology more like decades.

Unfortunately, as in the past we know most of the population will be left behind in the process. We will see 10% of the population having learned and moved beyond more knowledge than the other 90% will ever know. For example, right now John Deere is building robotic equipment to completely automate farming. Meanwhile many countries still use human labor, animals or small equipment to farm. The knowledge/technology gap is widening so fast some countries will become unrecognizable to the rest.

So it's cool that many like to live in the past, enjoy it while you can because very soon everything is going to change. Not slowly like in the past but almost overnight.

AC

Quote from: onepower on December 03, 2022, 07:00:01 PM
stivep
It helps to look at what it was like only 150 years ago...
https://www.insider.com/what-the-world-looked-like-150-years-ago-2020-5#at-the-same-time-people-were-moving-west-as-train-lines-expanded-3 (https://www.insider.com/what-the-world-looked-like-150-years-ago-2020-5#at-the-same-time-people-were-moving-west-as-train-lines-expanded-3)
knowledge and technology has reached unimaginable levels.
more new things in a matter of minutes than we did in decades a thousand years ago.
it will not take hundreds of years to overturn all our theories and technology more like decades.
Unfortunately, as in the past we know most of the population will be left behind in the process.
We will see 10% of the population having learned and moved beyond more knowledge than the other 90% will ever know.
AC

thank you for the links.
Very interesting.
warning:
_{https://www.industrytap.com/knowledge-doubling-every-12-months-soon-to-be-every-12-hours/3950 (https://www.industrytap.com/knowledge-doubling-every-12-months-soon-to-be-every-12-hours/3950)}
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QuotePhishing:
purporting to be from reputable companies in order to induce individuals to reveal personal
information, such as passwords and credit card numbers

_{In my experience, it was 98% of Russian bandits, scamming activity to harm,were there is not much to gain.
And this would make those Russians different from others.
where they are fueled by that unique pleasure of seeing others suffering with no special agenda in mind.
Savages, - destroying you just because you are possibly more advanced more educated or just an American.
or Polish, or Jewish, or Ukrainian, or just simply not Russian.
-of course I'm talking about "those Russians" - not all Russians.
However in typical country ruled by Mafia everything obeys its rules}.
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For 17 years now I have no TV at home, - waste of time.
Internet allows quick access to knowledge .
I remember in 90s I was going to Washington DC to dig in US patent office.

I have a problem, with your statement.
Is not that all models in physics will be rejected 200 years from now.
It will rather be perfection of models and introductions of new models I hope.

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Diversity makes us valuable. Not everyone wants to be a scientist.
And yes, dying out spirituality, ever-growing atheism is the result of education.
Vegans and vegetarians are not the effect of ever-present obesity and high cholesterol
and heart attacks
Those are usually young generation educated animals agreeing that they
are animals and nothing more than that.
They don't want other animals to suffer, especially from human animals (hunters) killing them pleasure.
Apart from that veganism/vegetarianism is promoting very healthy lifestyle.

My wife is very well educated and almost a quarter-century younger than me psychologist.
Her view is: humanity might have a hard time to survive to the next hundred years from now
and absolutely challenging will be to survive for incoming 200 years.

Reason is: overpopulation, ozone hole, climate change – raising the level of the seas,global
hunger due to that overpopulation, life longevity, advancement in medicine,
damage human animal does your atmosphere and earth,
promoted by Wesley
energy extraction from Schumann waveguide,
other sources of energy conversion - causing more overpopulation
and so on,

Today nobody believes in black magic, and "miracles" are longtime gone - :)
The new generation of youngsters can't leave the house without- a cell phone.
Spiritual dinosaurs are dying out.

30 years from now, around 75% of population in USA will likely be
highly professional - one particular skill specialists.
example:
IT will be divided to hundreds of skills in only one of the subgroups
such like subgroups:
programming,
networking,
interfacing,
computer automation and so.

Wesley

In 2700 years Historians will translate "cell phone" as some sort of deity.
And their books will portray us praying to Apple and Google, our gods.


The science of the past is the mythology of tomorrow.


Almost noone questions how a tv or a cell phone works,
But most people that use them have no idea.
This intangible thing we call the internet, holds
no more physical form than Zues or Thor.


Two people discussing these technologies from an uneducated background
Might be indistinguishable from a story we read today about a prior civilization.


It is clearly evident that technology comes and goes as often as civilizations themselves.
There have been things done in the past we still cannot recreate today.


If the world were stricken into chaos,
We would gather in masses at small tabernacles,
Waiting for the internet to one day return.
and perhaps our children will carry on this tradition,
having no physical conception of what the internet truly was.


To the wizards that weave the curtain, these things are only science and technology
But to those that don't know whats in the box,
It may as well be a floating head in the sky giving us all of the answers.


We take this for granted in our daily lives.
Very few stop to think about the belts and motors that power the escalator.
We just have these stairs that lift themselves


The same people that tell you AirShips were just a myth,
don't even bat an eye when the goodyear blimp floats overhead.


Now we know about the Hindenburg, and why we dont have those anymore
Hydrogen and electricity dont mix


But prior to that, there were entire floating castles in the sky.
We chock it all up to fairy tales because we dont have the understanding or perspective.

We can know the structure of the universe from within.
Ours is quadrapolar, having two perpendicular vortices and
2 poles of convergence, and 2 of divergence.
Mass in transition between 2 of the vortices expands to a maximum,
then contracts as it approaches.
We exist in an area where the universe is mostly "expanding"
space itself doesn't physically expand like they make it sound.
Thats just a way to explain it mathematically.
Most of the things in that part of the space are moving away from each other
faster than their own gravity can pull them closer.
We cannot see beyond the point of divergence, (into the past)
and what we are looking at only the 1/8 of the event viewable from our perspective
What we call the 'big bang'
in billions of years we will approach the 'big unbang' and emerge out of the other pole.
in exactly the same situation but crossing through a different quadrant.
Well, 'we' wont, but the matter makes up the galaxies will.

The origins of the universe, on the other hand,....


Where this universe came from, what makes universes
Why does our universe take one form and a different universe take another
What else might exist in the space outside our universe
or between universes...


We cannot know this from inside.

Here's a clue...the whole universe is not expanding.

There is no expansion in solar systems and little in galaxies only between galaxies supposedly. As such the universe would seem to follow the same rules as matter, as above so below. That is atoms don't expand, molecules very little but the space between molecules can. The inner space between particles and atoms is also a perfect vacuum just like outer space.Thus the universe could be similar to the world we know.

In fact the plasma/electric fields within and joining galaxies looks identical to the geometry we see in matter. Very similar to the geometry we see in neural networks in our brain. This would suggest we may only be able to see a tiny fraction of the universe as a whole.

I mean, nobody honestly believes the universe must end simply because were not intelligent enough to see more of it do they?. That's a dark ages mentality not in line with reality as we know it.  It's like thinking the world is flat simply because we cannot see past the horizon. It's absurd...

AC

We start to get a better understanding of our universe ( shared by  Lanca


https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/wissen/Moeglicher-Durchbruch-bei-Fusionsforschung-Expertin-Viele-Probleme-loesen-vor-Bau-eines-Kraftwerks-article23777459.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/wissen/Moeglicher-Durchbruch-bei-Fusionsforschung-Expertin-Viele-Probleme-loesen-vor-Bau-eines-Kraftwerks-article23777459.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)


Don't care for their timeline ( always squeezing out decades of funding


Give it to Elon's crew ( 2weeks he'll have one on Mars...

Genesis 1:1  IN the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Alan
You have been quoting scripture and intimating you
know how to access FE for quite sometime?( IMO a horrible example)


Your example is unprecedented in my life's experience for
a person of faith ...
Taunting the suffering and neediest with reports of life saving hidden knowledge?
Which you never teach or share "empirical evidence" or an actual experimental proof ?
Better to keep your testimony ( IMO not Christian at all)


To yourself...
Playing God is not becoming ...as people do perish every moment
for lack of this " hidden " technology
And the cost to our planet ?


Edit for very odd post below?


Yes I figured you were just a salesman....in sheep's clothing!


Too many games ...fiddling while ...


Edit again for changed post below!


Alan
If you possess life saving FE technology ..that you have tested
And know it works...for all to replicate!
PLEASE share ...

ok