FREE ENERGY DEVICE (120 VOLT ENERGY FROM MID AIR)
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250076441046&fromMakeTrack=true
What is this?
A new scam?
This is not FE or OU device !
You can ony try with scematics that you find here or inother papers.
try to as the seller for warranty and scematic that is
usefull fo "this" item .
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also some faults in the offer
" 120v 4MILIAMP .
480mW is to "week" , and MILIamp with one "L " ist also to week for
specialised "seller"
Pese
Hi Marcel, Pese,
Yes I contacted the buyer (and seller) that bought this device and he mentioned that he had not connected it up yet but the instructions indicated that the 5 to 6 turns of flex is connected in series with a mains powered lamp.
He thought he had something that was a free energy device.
I then pointed out that what he had was a low current toroidal transformer.
So in answer to the question is this a scam?
Not sure, but I suspect it is, but I think the person that made it is unaware what free energy really is.
What makes me laugh is the description says how he went about painstakingly winding the coils by hand onto a toroidal core.
Do you think I should tell me that he can easily buy a mains toroidal core from most electronic component suppliers very cheaply - already wound.
Of course it could be there is something special about the windings that would prevent you from using an off the shelf toroidal.
I am still unsure about it though. It would be shame to dismiss this without the full details.
The seller did not answer many of my questions but does say "it is not a scam".
Regards
Rob
shure !
if he say
it is an scam
then he must revoving this directly from ebay.
otherwise ....
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But he sell an "unfinished - notworking " product .
So it give no warranty .... :-)
Pese
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Let's have a look...
me too please
Thanks
Can you post a link for ? Or to attach the file ?
Thanx
Icarus
Thx,
RD
Yup, I know someone who bought this Pdf I had a look at it....
Primary plugs into the mains and you obtain variable output from secondary by proportional winding of said LA La Ha Hee Hee and sutch.
Question: would the real info float as saleable info on Ebay withought resistance, reactance BACK EMF etc etc.....How about a power suply for a laptop which is 12 volts output with some juce and plugs into off the shelf UPS... GK??
Quote from: sonny on February 02, 2007, 07:28:21 AM
Yup, I know someone who bought this Pdf I had a look at it....
Primary plugs into the mains and you obtain variable output from secondary by proportional winding of said LA La Ha Hee Hee and sutch.
Question: would the real info float as saleable info on Ebay withought resistance, reactance BACK EMF etc etc.....How about a power suply for a laptop which is 12 volts output with some juce and plugs into off the shelf UPS... GK??
Explain more to me.
--giantkiller
Hi All,
I have reviewed the PDF too and my comments are as follow:
It's badly written, full of spelling mistakes, gramattical errors and on top of all of that, it's a completely mis-leading pile of rubbish with no scientific basis and certainly not worth the paper its printed on.
It outlines the idea that you can connect a mains powered lamp in series with the primary winding of a transformer and "claims" that the power obtained from the secondary is free energy.
Hang on, let's swap the lamp for 5 more of these magical transformers and create 6 times over-unity. ;)
Regards
Rob
lol if you can upload the file here so we can all take a look ;) please.
peace
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Hi GK, presumably in general, coils are designed as 120 volts output,
and plugged into an uninteruptable Psu's, which I believe, have 12 volt batteries on board, one would need less volts to run a laptop: 12 instead of 120...
As we have fuel cells that will allredy power a laptops with you needing to mearly add water, one can see a wind-up Psu as a crude, here and now, nessesity poping up anytime soon, maybe with a foot pedal. How much power does a laptop need for basic computational functionality?? ...
Secondly is there a formula for arriving at specific output voltages aka: Demeter of coil or number of turns etc which produce a predictable E/I output?
I am aware the the whole thing is experimental and exploratory even so, it does appear the patent office is stopping access to sources of pdf's etc discussed here...
Of course this might enable someone to re-invent the Steam Engine all over again
But its a pain to believe we are being monitored as a way of limiting our access to information which is otherwise freely available, and would enable progress or am I mistaken??? not nessary to answer that one.
Everything that can be invented has already been invented...someone said that.
But I am sure its not all in the patent office.
It is in the subconscious awaiting the need, yet again.
Thanks also again for the coil design, I am sure you have reduced it to its nt'h degree of simplicity, even so I hesitate to admit that withought some clear diagrammatic clarification its still over my head.
Yup, also the Stick's definitly something else, surprising we don't already see more of it. Despite looking more complicated than the Axe, it appears to be easer to play.
Keep on keeping da Beat Sonny ;D
Ps. The bit about would it fly on Ebay: I believe might have been answered by the reference to the news report: awaiting validation article. I suspect many of us live in a Yellow Submarine; Scuse me while I go clean my periscope.....
Quote from: sonny on February 08, 2007, 03:35:58 PM
Ps. The bit about would it fly on Ebay: I believe might have been answered by the reference to the news report: awaiting validation article. I suspect many of us live in a Yellow Submarine; Scuse me while I go clean my periscope.....
Our heros agree to accompany Captain Fred and go to Pepperland to free it from the music hating Blue Meanies.Load and clear... ;)
--giantkiller.
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any more news on this? can someone post the pdf file? :)
This is noise...
Move on.
The pattern can be displayed by a show of undeniable attributes:
Who's got paperwork, who's wants coils, who's got coils, who's got kicks?
Where has the truth of actions been all along?
--giantkiller. Focus.
The lamp will have resistance which means there will be a voltage drop and therefore the voltage across the primary will be less and therefore less volatge out of the secondary. As it is described this ebay device will not present any form of free energy.
Good Points
OK GUYS THIS IS ILLEGAL THIS "FREE ENERGY DEVICE" IS UNDER COPY WRITE
I AM SORRY TO SAY BUT YOU GUYS ARE BREAKING THE LAW, I AM ALL FOR FREE ENERGY AND SHARING IDEAS BUT YOU HAVE USURPED THE AUTHORITY OF THE AUTHOR
NAMELY ME
I WILL BE TAKING THIS TO MY LAWYER TOMORROW MY SUGGESTION IS TO CEASE AND STOP ALL ADVERTISING HERE BECAUSE OVER UNITY WILL BE SHUT DOWN FOR THIS AND THE FEW WHO HAVE OFFERED TO SEND THE EMAILS WILL BE CAUGHT AS WELL.
I AM 100% SERIOUS THIS IS BREAKING ALL COPY WRITE LAWS HERE AND I AM NOT JOKING THIS IS SERIOUS, I HAVE BEEN VERY KIND BUT THE PEOPLE IN THIS SITE HAVE BROKEN NOT ONLY LAWS BUT WHAT AMERICA STANDS FOR. WE ARE A GREAT NATION BECAUSE OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH BUT WHEN YOU TAKE SOMEONES WRITINGS AND RE USE IT OR SEND IT I AM SORRY TO SAY YOU ARE GUILTY BEFORE A COURT OF LAW
OVER UNITY MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS TO REMOVE THESE COMMENTS TODAY YOU ARE SUPPORTING THE USE OF COPY WRITE MATERIAL AND THIS IS ILLEGAL I AM SORRY FRIENDS BUT I HAVE TO DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO.
TODAY IS 7/5/07 i ask you to stop and remove all items referring to my device and to stop emailing my information that is legally mine. you have no rights to it at all. this is my warning to all who visit here and trust me i have other people signing in to watch and to catch all who violate the law. i am sorry i am not trying to stop free energy but i am trying to stop the abuse of our legal system and rights as individuals and businesses
@ncbookz
calm down.
the PDF file was never posted and we even advertised for free for you
your ebay sellers link and a few people bought it.
Now as it seems to not work the people who bought it must be more upset than you,
as it seem to be a fake offer...
LOL
@ ncbookz
Ha ha ha! I was going to ignore this thread and you, but as an American I feel compelled to add to your little tirade, that Yes, we are a land of laws. AND ONE of those laws is "False advertising in the marketplace." It carries a hefty fine as well as possible jail time.
So my advice to you, is to be worrying about removing such said trash from the public venue, or selling it on the back of the comic books next to the x-ray glasses.
And please don't tell anyone else your are an American, until you can do so with integrity. Free speach at the expense of others is not what the law allows. Fraud is also illegal. Ebay will be contacting a District Attorney in a city near you!
HA!
Quote from: FatBird on April 24, 2007, 08:34:39 AM
I hate to admit this, but I got "suckered in" & bought a copy of his "Free Energy" instructions. The seller claims to be an EE student at a university. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
To SUMMARIZE, here is what it says:
1. Split the cord on a lamp.
2. Wind a few turns of wire around 1 strand of the lamp cord & through a Ferrite Core.
3. Spend many, many HOURS winding a secondary winding of a "few hundred" turns on the Ferrite Core.
4. Turn the Lamp ON.
5. HE SAYS you will now get 1 Milliamp of "Free Current" out of the core secondary!!
But in reality, you will be charged because the Lamp Current is metered by the electric company.
HE SAYS if a person parallels 100 of them he can get 1 ampere!! WHOOPEE!!!
It is a very cruel HOAX!!!!!!!!!
.
So all he is doing put a 1 turn to 1000 turn transformer in series with the lamp ?
So he probably never studied transformer basics, otherwise he would know, that
he just has to pay this output via his grid bill.
You go, btentzer! lol.
Shoot, give us his IP address Stefan, and I'll contact the DA myself.
hehe.
Mark.
This guy sounds very much like the dude at:
http://www.fuellesspower.com/
same sort of deal...sells plans, poorly worded...etc etc.
Nope, I didn't buy any...
I think he had a heated discussion with Jerry Decker a couple years ago. You know how he hates scammers!
Darren
Hey!
I've got a box full of old used CTs (current transformers) from generator control systems. Wind a bunch of wire around them and get juice. I won't tell you it is free juice though. I can whip up a PDF on how to hook it up too.
Na! never mind. The dog likes to play with them.
Quote from: ncbookz on July 05, 2007, 11:10:38 PM
OK GUYS THIS IS ILLEGAL THIS "FREE ENERGY DEVICE" IS UNDER COPY WRITE
I AM SORRY TO SAY BUT YOU GUYS ARE BREAKING THE LAW, I AM ALL FOR FREE ENERGY AND SHARING IDEAS BUT YOU HAVE USURPED THE AUTHORITY OF THE AUTHOR
Free energy device? Where? Honestly I don't think you have any basis on which to sue anyone.. You reek of scam..Who invents a free energy device, and chooses to sell it on ebay? For $20 none the less. What a load of bull if I ever heard one. Threatening to sue people here? They should be suing you..
Quote from: ncbookz on July 05, 2007, 11:10:38 PM
THIS WILL RUN A SMALL FAN WITH NO LOAD ON ANY POWER
IT IS FREE POWER FROM MID AIR
Why do you need to turn on a lamp if its getting power from the air? Good luck proving that in court :D
it's obvious that what he his selling is not working, it's not a TPU its just wire!
to sell stuffs like that, first to be "serious" you can do some video of the device in action! also 1miliamp or free energy? i think my own body generate more amp then this device!
User ncbookz
has now written private emails to the users over here who have posted about his device.
that they should delete their postings, otherwise he wants to sue them.
ncbookz please stop harrassing the users over here, otherwise I have to set you onto Read Only
access.
Many thanks.
Regards,Stefan.
@Stefan
ncbookz is in Greensboro NC, not all that far away from me. You think I should contact the District Attorneys office in North Carolina and make them aware of his scam? The DA can suggest whether or not the feds need to be involved, as what he has done has crossed state lines. Mail Fraud is a federal offense here in the US, and eBay has all records of all of his transgressions.
By the way, in his eBay listings, he was blaming the people here for his eBay account being shut down. It was due to his violation of eBay rules by providing a false phone number in his account information. He had to register again.
Any UL listed device that has the power cord split to apply his "copyrighted" modification would immediately lose any UL listing it had. I would not want to be him if someone had a fire, electrocution, or other accident directly or indirectly related to applying that modification.
Bob
Bob,
I think you should contact the authorities. This guy is a crook! People who don't know any better will be ripped off by this jerk.
@Stephan
Please let him keep crying over here. All he is going to do is hang himself.
Tim
Hi Bob and MrMag,
thanks for these infos.
If you need his IP number,
contact me know privately
via personal message over here in the forum.
If he runs a scam, this should be reported, I agree.
But maybe he has now stopped selling it ?
No,
I see, he has still listed it on his website:
http://www.ncbookz.com/
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: MrMag on July 07, 2007, 05:03:57 PM
Bob,
I think you should contact the authorities. This guy is a crook! People who don't know any better will be ripped off by this jerk.
@Stephan
Please let him keep crying over here. All he is going to do is hang himself.
Tim
Well now that his sales are stunted he has enough lamp wire to hang himself many times over.
--giantkiller. Caveat emptor, dudes!
Quote from: pese on January 25, 2007, 03:29:11 PM
This is not FE or OU device !
You can ony try with scematics that you find here or inother papers.
try to as the seller for warranty and scematic that is
usefull fo "this" item .
----
also some faults in the offer
" 120v 4MILIAMP .
480mW is to "week" , and MILIamp with one "L " ist also to week for
specialised "seller"
Pese
THIS was the first ANSWEr on JANUARY to this device !!!
This transformer can only enlarge voltages
OR Currents (Amperes)
NEVER both togerther that MUST be of an
Power WATTage ( Volt tim Amps) = Watt = Power
WILL be enlarged.
It give a lot people thant dont know it
and give tomuch monex "to learn" it .
Is not so fine to "make money " this way.
G.Pese
Quote from: pese on July 09, 2007, 02:53:04 AM
Quote from: pese on January 25, 2007, 03:29:11 PM
This is not FE or OU device !
You can ony try with scematics that you find here or inother papers.
try to as the seller for warranty and scematic that is
usefull fo "this" item .
----
also some faults in the offer
" 120v 4MILIAMPÃ, .
480mWÃ, is to "week" , and MILIampÃ, with one "L " ist also to week for
specialised "seller"
Pese
This transformer can onlyÃ, enlargeÃ, voltages
OR Currents (Amperes)Ã,Â
NEVER both togerther that MUST be of an
Power WATTageÃ, ( Volt tim Amps) = Watt = Power
WILL be enlarged.
Is this a sentence or just a random collection of words?
What's really annoying is that the whole manual is like this, just very poorly written english.
Also, he is still selling the manual on ebay and people are giving him positive feedback, just one neutral feedback saying that it was not over-unity.
I am going to ask ebay to have his auction removed.
Rob
@GK: You're killing me! lmao.
@ Bob & Mr.Mag: Below is the WHOIS on his Website. Might want to send that along to the D.A./Local Authorities as well.
@ All: Lemme know in a PM if you want me to wager in. I was bored & did some searching. Have some more coordinates if you need them. Don't mind firing off a letter as well if it will help.
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WHOIS:
Domain Name.......... ncbookz.com
Creation Date........ 2007-06-02
Registration Date.... 2007-06-02
Expiry Date.......... 2008-06-02
Organisation Name.... LI WANG
Organisation Address. PO BOX 16442
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. GREENSBORO
Organisation Address. 27416
Organisation Address. NC
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES
Admin Name........... LI WANG
Admin Address........ PO BOX 16442
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ GREENSBORO
Admin Address........ 27416
Admin Address........ NC
Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
Admin Email.......... ncbookz@yahoo.com
Admin Phone.......... +1.3361111111
@Meggerman
Is this a sentence or just a random collection of words?
What's really annoying is that the whole manual is like this, just very poorly written english.
Also, he is still selling the manual on ebay and people are giving him positive feedback, just one neutral feedback saying that it was not over-unity.
I going to ask ebay to have his auction removed.
Rob
ANSWER
Shure that he have ONLY "positive" RESPONSE !
BECAUSE "Seller" send "an paper" for the given money !
Zhe buyer make an Responce in short time , to receive also an
POSITIVE NOTE frome seller ""
That is POSITIV !!
AFTER (an few weeks -or month : . It is not more possibel to change the Mind
in EBAY , that the DESCRITION is NEGATIV , and CAN not work .
MANY people must have TIME , to understand this.
Voltag can incresed
Current can increased.
BUT only IF the other will degreased.
Nevr both (in same time) , thats need to degrease an POWER
or ENERGY !
Only if EBAY now that this are FALSE .
This Ebay - Member will be stopped from EBAY directly.
Pese
@All,
Done. I've reported him to eBay for fraud.
The wheels are in motion....
Regards
Rob
I see that he also lists a bogus phone number on his domain name information, which is a violation of ICANN rules. He can lose his domain for that if he is reported. What is it with this guy and bogus phone numbers?
I cannot comment on the district attorney. Let's just say I was not the first to contact them in regards to this individual.
Bob
Quote from: MeggerMan on July 09, 2007, 08:23:40 AM
@All,
Done. I've reported him to eBay for fraud.
The wheels are in motion....
Regards
Rob
Good luck on this. I've tried in the past to report fraudulent auctions since I am in the gem business. Ebay has never responded/done anything about it. It's either they don't care or more likely they don't have the manpower to deal with it.
I wish I had seen this post earlier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are these?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110216499349&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Stores&refitem=110212787366&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110206607661&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=110216499349&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
Yes, just don't buy it :)
Thanks, I want to buy it, lucky I don't buy it yet, then I saw this post.
RIP OFF !!!!!
Out of curiosity, I bought the item in question. Free energy my ASS!!!!
Quote from: dvder on January 24, 2008, 02:31:01 AM
Out of curiosity, I bought the item in question. Free energy my ASS!!!!
I hope you left negative feedback on ebay stating the same, as a warning to others.
RD
i cant believe they would let you sell such a thing. thats not right...
I have not left feed back yet. What I do not understand is how you are able to false label an item and get away with it on ebay. The so called free energy device is no where near free energy.
Any suggestions what the feedback should read.
Quote from: dvder on January 24, 2008, 01:43:20 PM
I have not left feed back yet. What I do not understand is how you are able to false label an item and get away with it on ebay. The so called free energy device is no where near free energy.
Any suggestions what the feedback should read.
You may consider filing a complaint with ebay and explain how you think the item is a fraud or misrepresented. Also add how you feel about the seller and about ebay allowing such an item to be sold. As far as feedback I like your last line. "The so called free energy device is no where near free energy, beware"
Good luck,
RD
Quote from: dvder on January 24, 2008, 02:31:01 AM
Out of curiosity, I bought the item in question. Free energy my ASS!!!!
so, can you share with us what exactly is it that you bought and does it actually even produce anything at all?
sure like to know what is under those black tapes.
thanks
chris
Quote from: dvder on January 24, 2008, 01:43:20 PM
I have not left feed back yet. What I do not understand is how you are able to false label an item and get away with it on ebay. The so called free energy device is no where near free energy.
Any suggestions what the feedback should read.
If you don't complaint, who knows this is false label item?
Just tell everybody what's the instruction show how to do it, then after you do it, what do you get from it. You don't have to post the pdf file here, which he claim copyright (I don't think so myself). Just sumary what he tell you to do, what you do, he may claim you don't do it right.
If I were you, I complain to ebay, then I post the feedback every week, yes, every week, to beware others byers, until the seller on his knee, crying and refund the money.
I wait until next week, if nobody do anything, I'll go to utube, register then post this link at his 2 video for "buyer beware", then it's up the buyer.
I almost buy this last week, when I ready to buy, I have trouble with internet conection so lucky me, I don't loose money & have headache.
my first post, been following the developments on sm device, reading all i can, ordered this fake about two weeks ago, he claims allow four weeks for delivery because it takes time to build. order status says not shipped yet so i canceled the order today and asked for a prompt credit back to my plastic. any suggestions in case he tries to get weird about it?
@bw
hopefully you paid through paypal. go thorough paypal and file a dispute and escalate to a claim.
i paid thru google, had to set up an account. used mastercard.
What is the amount you paid for this?
I don't think this guys will want to return your money, he commented here and wanted to pursuit the forum owner because of this thread. lol
Anyway, hopefully you did not lost to much money!
just kidding. :)
Quote from: bw on January 24, 2008, 10:18:16 PM
i paid thru google, had to set up an account. used mastercard.
Check with Google, check Mastercard policy, talk to people at the bank where you card is issued. The faster you move, the better. For Visa, I think you have 30 or 60 days to send the written letter to Visa, (Visa have to receive your letter before 30 or 60 days, I am not sure which one) if Visa get your letter after 30 or 60 days, forget it, your money is gone. I don't know about Mastercard, you better check.
I guess, you paid $329.00 + shipping for it, right?
no, i paid $295. for the device plus $25 for the plans to build. the plans were attached to an email and the so called working unit is supposed to ship to me around Feb. 7 or thereabouts. the invoice was from ncbookz. i did notice it offered on ebay as well as his website at prices ranging from 295-329 ea. thanks for the advice on what to do now.
by the way, the coil steven mark describes and perfected is the real deal, i only wish i knew enough to safely build one. reading his words people with necessary skills will find so much gold. it is just a shame that turds like this guy with the look-alike might reflect badly on steven
Quote from: bw on January 25, 2008, 01:06:29 AM
no, i paid $295. for the device plus $25 for the plans to build.
bw.
Check your PM.
Just another person, taking advantage of the Steven M. videos to sale his device.
Quote from: dvder on January 26, 2008, 12:06:30 PM
Just another person, taking advantage of the Steven M. videos to sale his device.
It's still the same guy " NCBOOKZ ". This from seller store page at ebay.
WE CAN TAKE PAY PAL(helpyousavenc@yahoo.com), MONEY ORDER(address below), OR ALSO MERCHANT, VISA AND MASTER CARD(ggle checkout: helpyousavenc@yahoo.com). EMAIL US AT helpyousavenc@YAHOO.COM for all the payment types. WE WILL SEND AN EMAIL INVOICE TO YOU ASAP. NCBOOKZ 1705 TROGDON STREET greensboro nc 27403 PH:336.988.0350
hi all
yesterday after my last post, i called mr. free energy at ncbookz and explained that i had bought his plans, recieved them and wanted to cancel the order for his "actual working device" . he took my order number and checked it then said "we haven't started on that one yet so no problem." this is all verbal so far, no written conformation but i've got recorded proof via phone if needed in future. thank all of you who gave suggestions and keep up the search for the real deal. i still just know steve mark has it and is trying to share it, many others too, just not this guy. i think this just might be the year that energy giants loose their 100+ year grip on all of us. too many to pay off now, especially since inventors now share their findings in forums like this. get ready. global unemployment will soar as energy jobs vaporize but costs to live will also plummet, new jobs will soon develope so all will work out o.k. without energy expense almost everything would cost a very small fraction of current market. who knows, five grand in that economy may buy more than 100k in today's. i pray it happens soon for the sake of our earth and all who share it.
bw
bw, I'm happy for you. Let's know when money is back in your plastic. Good luck.
Sorry, double post
Reported him again to ebay, I will wait to see their response:
"FREE ENERGY DEVICE (120 VOLT ENERGY FROM MID AIR)"
I have reported this person before about this device that is clearly fraudulent.
People are paying up to 50 USD for the details, which I may add are very poorly written.
It's a scam, nothing more.
The device does not work, it is not over-unity.
Regards
Rob
if anyone else has problems with this clown log on to the FBI internet crime website and fill out the info. looks easy, i am on the verge of doing just that right now. i ordered the unit at $295.00 then canceled within days. he said he would refund my plastic. after threats i got one lousy dollar. then more threats, got another $150.00 said next week he will refund the rest. his local district attorney's office is worthless, no help at all. the internet crime website appears to be very interested in this sort of thing, especially fraud. free energy my ass, he knows it is not and probably just wants to stay low profile with the feds while he collects three bills each from other people like me who just want a real tpu. i would build my own but steven mark scared me enough with the lightning bolt stuff. besides, i don't know electricity enough.
I left negative feed back on free energy device, on ebay. Looks like I was the first on the product to give a neg. review.
I wounder if I will be getting any hate email soon.
ebay won't do anything. this guy sells books and had mostly o.k. ratings. the F.B.I. has a website that makes it fairly easy to report internet fraud. search fbi.gov and you will find it. on the left margin is a menu that allows a person to report this type of crime. this guy claims to be an electrical engineer with a degree. he states this on one of his websites, he has several. I believe if he's got those credentials he knows this coil is not overunity and does not produce free energy. with that in mind i believe it would be fraud for him to promote it as free energy, regardless if he does it under ncbookz or helpusavenc or ronald baldwin or whatever other name he may sell it under.
Quote from: bw on January 24, 2008, 10:18:16 PM
i paid thru google, had to set up an account. used mastercard.
Can i ask you a favour?
If you get the Things that you have ordered ,take pictures or video and show us and the rest of the world,what is been delivered to you.
helmut
helmut i canceled my order before it shipped so i do not have pictures or video to share but you can search under ncbookz. i have seen him push it under another name. something like saveyoumorenc.com or something like that. his device does not make free energy. it is a trick. fraud. fake don't waste your money. the real thing is not this one, it is the steven mark coil, that one is real but you have to build it yourself. i am still trying to get the rest of my $295 back from this butthole. so far i got $151 back, working on the remainder.
You should put a bad feedback so other will not do the same mistake
As requested the ebay link is
http://cgi.ebay.com/FREE-ENERGY-DEVICE-120-VOLT-ENERGY-FROM-MID-AIR_W0QQitemZ110225195067QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3188QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/FREE-ENERGY-DEVICE-120-VOLT-ENERGY-FROM-MID-AIR_W0QQitemZ110225195067QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3188QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
So what do u guys think about using an ac input instead? also have you made the voltage amplifier as even this would be a great thing. check out my previous links on the last page for patent info.
please ignore the above
looks like he is a liar and a thief. guess he stole the other $144. from me
i just finished filling out internet crime report with feds. anyone else with same problem should do same
through a complaint through pay pal you can receive 100 percent refund, believe me, it is possible to get your money back. make a stink.
i didn't use paypal to order. i used master card not with paypal. he credited a total of $151. using paypal but still owes me $144. i had to open account, said he didn't have money to credit mastercard but had some in paypal so i opened acct and got the $151. never got more and won't answer my emails. I figure money is gone but i want to warn others. I left comments on utube but he erased them or deleted them and I cannot post more for some reason. that is why he shows mostly positive feedback, he erases anything negative. this guy sells books as a front for his falsely advertised "energy right out of thin air" profit items. order one and be stuck with it when you find out it is fake. should be a law against that. I did a report to fbi but don't know if they did anything or not.
I have given the guy bad feedback on ebay and I have got a few emails asking about it.
Hi, I have never been to this site before. Apparently it would have been a good idea. I too fell for the BS free energy devise by Ronald Baldwin on Ebay. I purchased the plans for $19.99. I have no engineering degree but have been studying electronics on my own recently. My first thoughts were, " isn't this just a transformer that would draw the same amount of power from the grid as it is producing?" Anyhow, I was supposed to receive the plans in the mail. After 12 days and nothing arriving, I email him about it and his response was quote "ok". Then the next day I receive an email explaining that his printer is down and he just attatched a PDF instead and will send me "extra stuff" for the inconvienience. I will be leaving negative feedback for sure!
I also got the same email stating, that his printer was down. My opinion is that it is a transformer. Nothing more.
I went back to check any responses from the guy and this was his response.
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Reply by helpyousavenc (Feb-17-08 20:26):
too many agree it is free energy and we have added an addendum to this unit free
What a crock of s@#$@%@
Hey guys, He actually refunded the shipping charge!
I'm glad you guys are leaving warnings for others, thank you. He blocked my computer I guess, his youtube will not take my comments, it just says comments pending approval then nothing shows up. This is how he only shows positive feedback, anything negative gets erased or blocked. My first one got posted then erased within a day and blocked after that. Slick cat here. He also sells these on a site called helpusavenc or something like that. Personally, I think he should be serving time for false advertising.
Saw this today.
helpyousavenc (392Feedback is 100 to 499)
FREE ENERGY DEVICE (120 VOLT ENERGY FROM MID AIR)
eBay Note: This user is no longer registered on eBay.
Great job dvder, he is not tricking folks on ebay but still advertising on youtube. likely got sales from both. I left bad comments but now i am blocked. Just trying to warn others.
i ordered the plans. it does have some merit i think although i dont know if his facts are correct until i test it. I wont infringe upon his copywrite as much as id like to tell you my take on it.
a few points though: he does have a few misprints. i called him and he picked up the phone and talked to me. sent the plans email same day. on another note, its not legal to post someones I.P. WHOIS info in a public forum. im not choosing sides, i just want to put things into further perspective. but i do have a great deal of respect for people here i guess thats why its sad to see the hostility towards someone who is encouraging free energy (perhaps in the form of excess wasted magnetism). If he has a fact or 2 wrong then its up to his scientist peers to correct him, not go on a witchhunt after him.
the guy that he owes the $144 to i feel for ya but the guy has no investors. id bet he chose living expense $ over customer refund. hopefully the $40 i sent will makes its way back to ya.
one question to yall though if you wouldnt mind- is it true that no draw on primary sources is affected with a current transformer?
Quote from: nrg00 on March 05, 2008, 09:42:17 PM
i ordered the plans. it does have some merit i think although i dont know if his facts are correct until i test it. I wont infringe upon his copywrite as much as id like to tell you my take on it.
a few points though: he does have a few misprints. i called him and he picked up the phone and talked to me. sent the plans email same day. on another note, its not legal to post someones I.P. WHOIS info in a public forum. im not choosing sides, i just want to put things into further perspective. but i do have a great deal of respect for people here i guess thats why its sad to see the hostility towards someone who is encouraging free energy (perhaps in the form of excess wasted magnetism). If he has a fact or 2 wrong then its up to his scientist peers to correct him, not go on a witchhunt after him.
the guy that he owes the $144 to i feel for ya but the guy has no investors. id bet he chose living expense $ over customer refund. hopefully the $40 i sent will makes its way back to ya.
one question to yall though if you wouldnt mind- is it true that no draw on primary sources is affected with a current transformer?
Hi nrg00 and All,
The short answer is yes the draw is affected on primary sources when you use a current transformer but
how much it is affected would be a more precise question.
Earlier in this thread a member here who had bought this 'free energy' device quoted from the instructions what Stefan (moderator of this forum) included here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1933.msg38574.html#msg38574
So it turns out that the current drawn by a normal load like an electric bulb is feed through the primary coil (that consists of one or a few turns) of a current transformer and the output (secondary) coil (that consists of some hundred turns) of this transformer feeds another (separate) load and this is called free energy!!!!
Technically speaking, when you use a current transformer you place an extra (but usually small) load in series with your original load (as if you were connecting a 10W power bulb in series with a 60W bulb and the 10W bulb is on the output of the current transformer and the 60W bulb is the original load). You practically create a voltage divider in your original circuit by transforming another load into it with the transformer and this transformed load appears in series with your original load.
And the more load you put on the output multiturn secondary coil of your current transformer the more power will be taken away from your original load because a transformer is a two-way device. So if you connect another 60W bulb to the output of your current transformer, then -assuming ideal current transformer operation- your first 60W bulb and this 60W bulb will light with half brightness!!! (As if you had connected both 60W bulbs in series with each other.) And by the nature of (any) transformator the more you increase the load on the secondary side (by connecting 100W or higher bulbs for instance), the higher impedance-transformation occurs and reflects to its secondary side which is series with the original 60W bulb so the less power remains for the original 60W bulb to operate from so it gradually dims!
Now the question is: do you still agree with this 'free energy' device???? Because you use the mains for operating the original 60W bulb and you are of course metered and charged for that and you introduce this 'device', you do not GAIN anything BUT you have been ripped off with the price you had paid for this 'brilliant idea'!!!
Now you understand that ongoing witchhunting is still JUSTIFIED after him!
I would appreciate your opinion on this now.
Thanks, Gyula
Hi thanks.
the plans state SPECIFICALLY : does not affect draw from primary source.- the primary bulb will not dim and current from the primary source will not be affected.
My understanding of the plans is that there is an otherwise wasted magnetic field that is just radient energy that he's tapping with the coil which doesnt affect the current draw from primary source.
now of course i know you cant draw ever increasing voltage on the secondary side and maintain the same current on the primary side - thats not logical, however the magnetic field is actually the secondary coil power source, so can this be "drawn" through the lines without actually registering on the meter?
Yes it takes a primary source. but the 'free energy' hes referring to is what he says is radiant magnatism from the primary source current - magnetism otherwise wasted.
so its really a 'residual ambient energy" rather than "free energy" as you must first have a primary source first.
question remains whether the draw of this magnetism (or how much*) into voltage on the secondary actually ends up causing more draw on the Primary. Or if tapping this wasted ambient magnetism somehow does not increase the primary load, but instead cycles the magnetism through undetected by a voltage meter / electric utility meter? Perhaps his experiments used current so low that it was an undetectable change to the primary source current.
it specifically states that no increased draw from primary source occurs when tapping the secondary coil output. If this isnt true then its blatent false advertising (or maybe its a simple error that he needs to be corrected on - which is just a mistake - NOT fraud). otherwise its just harnessing wasted energy that otherwise is released into the atmosphere. more like 'recycled energy' i guess. free is a matter of perspective at that point i guess.
Im just not advanced enough to know until i hook up a an ammeter to the primary with different loads on the secondary. perhaps there is an amount of current that can be drawn without affecting the primary current?
whether 40, 4, or .4 milliamps (typos exist in the document) are produced at the secondary is begging to be tested. i am building something else for the real power. this device here in question just needs to be confirmed or refuted scientifically in my opinion for the principle of the tapping of the "residual magnatism" which supposedly (specifically stated) causes no current draw on the primary.
If i have in any way infringed on copywrite please contact me and ill edit this post down.
and please correct me if im wrong about anything ive said.
Quote from: nrg00 on March 06, 2008, 11:47:07 AM
Hi thanks.
the plans state SPECIFICALLY : does not affect draw from primary source.- the primary bulb will not dim and current from the primary source will not be affected.
Hi,
If I state I have just come back from planet Mars and had a chat with some Martians, do you believe it?
I hope you can test such 'device' soon and experince how it behaves.
Quote
My understanding of the plans is that there is an otherwise wasted magnetic field that is just radient energy that he's tapping with the coil which doesnt affect the current draw from primary source.
now of course i know you cant draw ever increasing voltage on the secondary side and maintain the same current on the primary side - thats not logical, however the magnetic field is actually the secondary coil power source, so can this be "drawn" through the lines without actually registering on the meter?
The question again is how much you "draw"? Electric current flowing in a conductor always makes a magnetic field around it, and if you couple into this field, the action-reaction law manifests, unfortunately. And whether you notice this extra load the coupling introduces depends only on the sensitiveness/resolution of your meter.
QuoteYes it takes a primary source. but the 'free energy' hes referring to is what he says is radiant magnatism from the primary source current - magnetism otherwise wasted.
so its really a 'residual ambient energy" rather than "free energy" as you must first have a primary source first.
This is not so, magnetism is not wasted because when you wish to utilize this "waste" you notice its consumption in the primary source with sensitive meter means.
QuotePerhaps his experiments used current so low that it was an undetectable change to the primary source current.
But then what power he received from the 'device', it must have been a tiny amount too!
Quoteit specifically states that no increased draw from primary source occurs when tapping the secondary coil output. If this isnt true then its blatent false advertising (or maybe its a simple error that he needs to be corrected on - which is just a mistake - NOT fraud).
Just a mistake??? How much dollars has he earned so far from this 'mistake'??? This is a blatant fraud. If he is an EE student, he would never deserve any degree!!!
QuoteIm just not advanced enough to know until i hook up a an ammeter to the primary with different loads on the secondary. perhaps there is an amount of current that can be drawn without affecting the primary current?
No, there is not, it is all about the question of meter resolution. Just think of or study clamp-on current meters, they work on this same principle.
Quotewhether 40, 4, or .4 milliamps (typos exist in the document) are produced at the secondary is to be tested. i am building a rotoverter for the real power. this device here in question just needs to be confirmed or refuted scientifically in my opinion for the principle of the tapping of the "residual magnatism" which supposedly (specifically stated) causes no current draw on the primary.
There is no excuse for typos in his document because it is not at all the same if he states 40mA or .4mA!!!!!! A huge difference in output power. And if it happens to be the value .4mA is the correct value he really meant, then the price he takes for all this is simply outrageous!
Re rotoverter, this is another topic and do not mix or compare this 'device' to the rotoverter.
rgds, Gyula
thanks for the reply. i really mean it thanks very much for taking the time to share your knowledge.
QuoteIf I state I have just come back from planet Mars and had a chat with some Martians, do you believe it?
but if you had actually come back from mars and i didnt believe you, without even any benefit of the doubt, then how would that help me learn about Martians? ;)
the rest of your statements just make sense. you see this is why im in this forum, been lurking over a year or so, all this is only a few years old to me. i think i have read about most devices posted here i bet. but hadnt read about this one yet. ive made a small hydrogen battery, earth batteries and understand the elements in a circuit, hormonics, resonance, freq etc.
thats why i was mystified about no draw from the primary. i was like you and thought the action/reaction law must manifest there unless that magnatism is ALWAYS wasted when we use AC devices like a lamp. i keep hearing how energy is just wasted and thrown off alot and that we want to harness that when possible. But if tapping this magnetism causes draw of current from primary then that destroys my theory.
it was part of my quest to understand the magnetic field which exists along with the current. i will still suspend judgement a little longer though just to give the guy a benefit of the doubt, im not saying i disagree with you though. I just hate to think someone from my State would defraud fellow energy enthusiasts.
nrgoo, HE IS. This is a guy who hurts the free energy search. Someone can waste $300+ on Ronald Baldwin's transformer not just his mistake laden plans, find out it is only a con, then have that much less to invest into experments with real potential for overunity. On top of that, he feels discouraged and may even give up the pursuit. Believe me, this clown is a con man making money doing just that. If you already bought the plans, wind 1100 wraps of wire around your thing (or 2200 for 220v) and see for yourself. Then try to get a refund, lol
better yet ngr00, try to operate it without a splice into the hot wire on the lamp in his badly written plans.
I would like to see that myself. A video would be cool.
LOL
ok ok. so i sent this email to him today:
QuoteFurther research proves that this is NOT a free energy device. Current that is drawn through the current transformer is pulled through from the primary and registers on the electric meter.
Considering that your device is not free energy, and that this tends more towards a scam, I would like you to credit the $39.00 back to my account please. Or send a refund check to:
XXXX
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Thnaks for correcting this, and I hope you will correct your misinforming selling. You are hurting the free-energy movement and education. If you don't choose to reply to this I will initiate legal procedures within two weeks from today - 3-13-08
Please refer to http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1933.new.html#new
Thank you.
Sincerely
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PS i have decided to go with a
vertical wind turbine (of the disk-type nature) for one. Also secondly a
Fresnel lens to heat a water within a plexiglass box to produce steam, then transfer to a small steam generator and take excess into hot water heaters.
The trick with the fresnel lens method is to have a solar tracker device like used for solar panel array, and the tracker moves the lens which has the small box of water attached to the Lens so that the whole assembly moves as one unit.
the Lens will be used for hot water and some electric, while the wind generator will be for nighttime/stormy/windy days. This should cover all my energy usage.
i also will suppliment the whole thing with a couple solar panels since theres no moving parts and will have something going in case of a breakdown of any mechanical parts.
to top it off - a connection to the power grid for any extra charging of batteries needed or for unforseeable situations.
nrgroo, check out the "fuelless heating hydrosonic pump" makes steam in large volumes using very small electric motor. is overunity. New Albany Fire Dept. is currently using one for all their hot water/steam needs. another good guy to study is Marko Rodin. Also I found these recently, this guy knows his stuff but not giving away plans, he is Donald Smith, http://www.altenergy-pro.com/rec.htm also more info on http://nuenergy.org/iw/2005/smith2005.htm
the hydrosonic pump video only has sound today on my computer and comments were gone. video could be gone soon on this one.
Its a sad day for mankind now our friend on Ebay is not selling his free energy device.
I was hoping it would really work and save about 9 cents a year off my lecky bill as well as help save the planet.
Hey guys,
I am new and happy to see all the friends here.
U guys do a great job !!!
Salute!!
@bw
I think U do a good thing to nail Ronald Baldwin @ ncbookz.com
we should report all the case to internet crime.
Pls post all the channels !!
@ stephen sorry I mean stefan Haryberlin
I suggest to have a remarkable site to help and warn any new friends who are
interested in this field before they got trap with rascal like Ron.
It just too hard to find this topic among all the wondeerful discusssions!!!
Iwish I can get this info earlier to help a guy who paid for Ron with the$ from
the parants who are willing to help. Because of this scam they want draw
out the support for this field.
It will be very important for the people who are developing the new tech to
help and warn the general public before they got hurt and feel upset about
this field while U all working so hard to bring it out.
If it is possible some heros should take care of this job and posted vids on
youtube like Blurn did as often and update as possible,and if it is OK with
team U should put overunity to link it up so the people in the world can
come to this web to learn and build up the reputation of researchers of this
field. Although nobody can catch the same thing even we posted it but
it is still our job for this long process of education.
If Ron has the freedom to lie and scam then we should have the freedom
to clean it before all these scams sent to Hell !!!
Thak U all for the great efforts and support to make this a better world !!!
P.S. I mean when general public come to this web and found researchers
reputable and honest , they might have more confidence in this field and
willing to support this field in many other ways that we never consider.