I wrote about this in my Parallel RLC thread but due to massive amount of content here such things get easily forgotten so i want to remind of it
As we study more sophisticated ideas we often forget basic mechanical overunity principle of resonant mechanical oscillation, pendulum and weighted spring have long been known to be overunity.
You can see in the first device he is maintaining the oscillation with his pinky to operate a pump which would otherwise take significant effort.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDQ_lnUo0go (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDQ_lnUo0go)
Precession gravity overunity,
Skinner device
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObdM7VzE18A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObdM7VzE18A)
Another unknown one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3kQN-71DCI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3kQN-71DCI)
Gravity trap
https://youtu.be/zBrnxadM1v8?t=4312 (https://youtu.be/zBrnxadM1v8?t=4312)
Gravity Assisted Power
At 5:22 he shows how really really hard it is to operate the pump directly on same length lever, he can barely do it with one hand yet with pendulum attached he can literally operate it easily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yheVAF-Zrvo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yheVAF-Zrvo)
We can see resonance, be it EM or mechanical is the way to go. And as it is nicely written in the video resonant mechanical system is overunity by itself, especially multistage. Imagine a small weighted spring 'tuned' to run a much bigger one and that one even a bigger one, tiny input should be enough to produce practically unlimited power.
I also read about at least one high power generator from 90s i think it was based on springs.
Since there is obviously a desire to prove any kind of overunity, these basic approaches should be given attention here.
Oscillation can be kept using a motor and a piston like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_3H6J7QRTc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_3H6J7QRTc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddG_TAXgjXs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddG_TAXgjXs)
or an electromagnet with a reed switch/hall sensor
And last but not least Milkovic double stage pendulum
For every short, slight push grandpa does at the top of pendulum oscillation, 33kg!! on the other side rises to 2 inches and free falls TWO TIMES. Many point to lack of looped Milkovic devices as proof that it's not overunity, but this is ridiculous, it would be physically impossible to do what is shown in this and other videos with such tiny energy input.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8)
And another Milkovic replica showing clear energy amplification
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_wAPc4GIC8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_wAPc4GIC8)
And these claim it's looped and produces up to 2kw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UaQxAU-PI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UaQxAU-PI)
Beauty of mechanical approach is it hardly gets any simpler than a weighted spring or a pendulum.
As for weighted spring, for more induction we want fast oscillation and also more weight is desirable for gain to be bigger, so stronger springs should be used, i would use rubber ones, they are cheap and silent.
Possible implementation of weighted springs and a motor and generator to test for overunity.
https://youtu.be/0W-EUVhqv98?t=229 (https://youtu.be/0W-EUVhqv98?t=229)
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And since jimboot keeps deleting my posts on Holcomb thread i am replying here
Firstly the hypocrisy, he dares mention helpfulness, he has no helpful posts, i got many. Secondly, i did not baselessly accuse anyone and was not rude, starting with SL he mentioned his lingen thing, i asked what is it, he said nevermind since you dont know, i said now that you mentioned im curious, then he linked tons of threads and said its the "first verified replicable ou device", i said ok, can you back it up by a video or a measurement, and then instead of backing it up, he classified me as another "troll" (since he calls everyone troll who questions him) and started to troll me. I agree it was horrific but i did not start it and yet my posts got deleted, i got moderated, and to SL nothing.
And my post from few days ago i wrote (and since Jimboot deleted it i hope there is a backup but enough people saw it to confirm)
"Simulations are nice but as Don said there is a big difference between simulations and reality, we need actual tests/measurements."
And i am surely not "running away from scrutinty" as he accuses me, i always was, am and always will be for 100% open total disclosure of overunity.
If i were not would i give actual solutions, for magnet neutralization screen, for lenz canceled coil..... try it, see if it works.
https://overunity.com/18619/another-lenzless-idea/ (https://overunity.com/18619/another-lenzless-idea/)
https://overunity.com/15864/friedrich-luling-magnet-motor/msg574018/#msg574018 (https://overunity.com/15864/friedrich-luling-magnet-motor/msg574018/#msg574018)
I always spoke the truth and for this i get attacked.
As for jimboot's last accusation of "selfish and juvenile behaviour" and "littering thread with nonsense", just more projections from someone who contributed nothing.
And why not combine a weighted springs like in last image and a pendulum tuned at same frequency, so amplified power of a pendulum oscillates even larger weighted spring attached to a big generator, or a pendulum through a tuned spring oscillating even larger tuned pendulum... there is no limit, there is an infinity of possibilities, of combinations, based on same principle of single or multi stage mechanical resonant oscillation OU.
Pure beauty, undeniable gain. Lifting 60 pounds...
"I don't really notice any difference at all"
https://youtu.be/8MTSsX4U4FU?t=53
FreeEnergy has linked an interesting video in his Gravity Piezoelectric Pendulum Generator thread. I would only replace the piezo with springs with magnets attached to them oscillating inside a coil or even better instead of 4 springs one big one. Pendulum should be tuned to oscillate at same frequency as the spring and this can easily be achieved if weight can be moved up and down and fixed along the length of the arm. If pendulum and spring are in tune, i have no doubt such system will be at least 20x OU, possibly far more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBLsrQsd5mY
Another approach with two pendulums. If two pendulums are of same length they are automatically tuned, smaller one runs the big one. As advanced comment below says, translated "Yes, this model is the solution, and the evidence is that the entry of energy is separated from the exit of energy". Resonance, electromagnetic or mechanical, separates input from the ouput and allows the radiant to pour in. This would pair nicely with low rpm PMG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73C44sX-xLs
Practical example of weighted spring resonant oscillation paired to rotary motion. Reverse could be used for generation.
https://youtu.be/rvwwQAfdBWs?t=111
Another method to run a generator with a pendulum using sprocket on ratchet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xobOVXwQQ5w
Operating a Milkovic pendulum pump with a single finger 1200 liters per hour from 12m depth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNpgl7o_1QI
Etc
:) Funny. Holcomb is indeed not the first nor the best in OU - which does not mean they are bad, i never said or implied that, BTW i left similar comments on their youtube channel long before i was aware of SL's 'replication' attempts. And he thought i did it because of him. : )
I support Holocomb and i believe they are achieving certain OU. But, there are some questions. Firstly and of lesser importance their "theory" does not hold water. Real source of energy are certain subtle streams of energy that Tesla called Radiant Energy, Louis Rota Universal Currents etc. These are subtle forms of energy closely related to A field aka Aharonov–Bohm effect, gravity, ether. I already spoke of this many times, in the thread Two kinds of induction - Henry, and many others. If electron spin in iron atoms was the real source, then air core overunity like Don Smith would not be possible and other no-iron devices like JS's mentioned below.
Secondly, their 'demonstration' of supposed 20kw out with 2.5kw is not very convincing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkwYCpFMP8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkwYCpFMP8w)
Test load we see are 12 incandescent bulbs. 20kw load? And when asked about this discrepancy they reply in the comments "The 12-incandescent light bank is only a part of the load. There are also motors, transformers, capacitors, etc.in that load bank calculation.". Well, capacitors are not a load, transformers neither except for the losses unless they are loaded with actual load, neither are motors unless they do work, free running they also only consume for losses. This is not how you do a proper OU demonstration. It should be done in clear space without cables all around, load should be clearly shown, not just few bulbs in the background and claim 20kw.
Secondly and most importantly, it's just that, assuming they can deliver what they claim, there are even better, more compact and lighter systems. Their alternators weigh like half ton and have to be lifted with a forklift, unlike systems based on Tesla coil, Smith, Kapandaze etc. These devices work on much higher frequency, require no iron core and are thus much lighter and more compact. Even better is aluminum-bismuth plate system of James Schwartz and even better than that are his neutrino rods. And if Don Smith's claim of matchbox size device outputting hundreds of kilovolts at high amps is true, nothing else comes even close. If Holcomb does what they claim and if they could do the same with modern core materials and raise the frequency into few dozen kilohertz region then they could achieve more compact device of same or even bigger power, but even then, ironless devices working at higher frequencies would be superiror.
It's also funny he claims James Schwartz is a "scammer" and "backs it up" with well known shill channel Skeptical Open-minded parody video. Guy who "debunks" overunity as a whole, claims it is impossible and everyone in it a scammer, his whole channel is 100% dedicated to this. And this is his "argument" that Schwartz is a scammer, funny. Schwartz is most definitely NOT a scammer, he's been in this field for 50 years literally, just this alone shows SL's "reach".
Schwartz has been in the game for 50 years. He is an inventor of 'neutrino rods', passive rods probably based on carbon capable of outputting hundreds of watts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ko6IGPH7lo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ko6IGPH7lo)
These were supposed to hit the market in Japan i don't know exactly when, it seems around year 2000., Schwartz claims 60,000 units were produced but the government had confiscated the devices because of the "risk of fire". As it usually goes with OU devices.
I said it before on this forum, out of all OU devices, these are probably my favorite. If 3 pairs of those passive rods can output continuos 750w how much could a volume of space of Holcomb alternator filled with these rods output, megawatts? Meanwhile probably weighing far less since they appear to be carbon based and thus light, far lighter than iron. BTW, altho most of you still do not believe contactee claims (wait and see) in the W56 case i spoke of number of times....
Here is a documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiC6qmcdCvArowokeThought (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiC6qmcdCvArowokeThought)
First book https://www.amazon.com/Years-Amicizia-Friendship-Stefano-Breccia/dp/148270983X (https://www.amazon.com/Years-Amicizia-Friendship-Stefano-Breccia/dp/148270983X)
Second book i assembled here into a pdf you can download for free.https://www.mediafire.com/file/4n18tv5r1tp1lat/Mass+Contacts.pdf/file (https://www.mediafire.com/file/4n18tv5r1tp1lat/Mass+Contacts.pdf/file)
...their main source of power is a carbon rod excited by high frequency and they say if it was not loaded at all times it would explode (clearly, due to huge potentials built up). So there is something special about carbon and new graphene research confirms this. Life is based on it, afterall. And it has 6 electrons 6 protons and 6 neutrons, based on 9. There are also mentions of graphite on top of gravitational dipole of the flying saucer in the mentioned W56 case and earlier contactee cases. So i believe firmly carbon is a special material for interaction with subtle energy streams.
Here is an article translated from German with much detail about his aluminum-bismuth device.
https://gehtanders-de.translate.goog/strahlungsempfaenger-strom-aus-dem-erdmagnetfeld/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://gehtanders-de.translate.goog/strahlungsempfaenger-strom-aus-dem-erdmagnetfeld/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
He also uses magnesium and graphene and fine wire coils. BTW I think his idea of a power station is bad, each home should have a 20kw radiation receiver box which would be of small size, noisless and could fit anywhere while powering the whole household.
https://express.adobe.com/page/sRdP4qaNoCRW0/ (https://express.adobe.com/page/sRdP4qaNoCRW0/)
"Each Ceramic Flux Power Plate contains 5 coil plates; each coil plate contains 144 flux coils. A fully assembled Flux Power plate has a total of 720 Flux Power coils."
"A special frequency generator is used to induce a series of alternating flux frequencies to create a flow of electrons."
"The secret lies in the special materials in the plates and how the coils in the plates are activated."Demonstrating his solid state 5 frequency device capable of 6kW, here powering an 800 watt helicopter lamp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5wGflXZp2Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5wGflXZp2Y)
Below is his diagram showning "flux, voltage and current traces illustrating the operation of an embodiment of the invention",
i presume these are the "5 frequencies" in action. We can see he is mixing AC sinewaves, squarewaves and pulsed DC waveforms. Reminds me of Otto's TPU replication attempt using 3 frequencies.
Good place to remind
Steven Mark, EV Gray and Thomas Moray all used 6KHz!!"Thomas H. Moray invented a specialized high efficiency 6,000-hertz power supply. It turns out that Edwin Gray's device also produced this same exact frequency."https://www.icestuff.com/~energy21/edwingray.htm (https://www.icestuff.com/~energy21/edwingray.htm)
Question is does Schwartz also use this frequency.
And older video of similar device powering few kw. Here he says about the plates
"We got a solid piece of aluminum plate on one side, you got a sheet of bismuth in there, you got another aluminum plate with six cut outs, you got the coils in there, then you'll put another bismuth, another plate of coils on top of that, then another bismuth and then a solid plate, now you've got a panel. When we activate these with our activator here which causes the frequency to these plates an alternating frequency they produce electrons by agitating the bismuth and the aluminum."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx8eyr0m-sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx8eyr0m-sY)
He also seems to be using bifilar coils he calls "special bifilar coils" "custom built electromagnetic coil to stabilize flux performance".
"ZPower Releases Breakthrough Solar Panel That Works at Night"
"ZPower has a revolutionary technology with the potential to significantly boost energy output." - Prof Jan Capjon, Professor Emeritus, Dr Ing. University of South-Eastern Norway
"The ZPower technology can generate constant electricity anywhere, even underground. The world needs a technology like this to overcome current energy problems." - Jason Kim, Research Scientist and Lab Manager
https://www.pr.com/press-release/803895 (https://www.pr.com/press-release/803895)
Obviously this approach is among the most delicate, fine tuning, precision, exact combination of materials, geometry, waveforms and frequencies are essential for success.
In short Schwartz is definitely not a scammer. How can Holcomb even be compared to this, a small, light briefcase of these aluminum-bismuth plates can output many kilowatts, what would be the size and weight of a Holcomb alternator for similar output. 5 times in volume? 50 times in weight? More?
Junior also disbelieves OU black market is huge and OU devices from flywheel, magnetic, HHO
to solid state have been sold for years all over the world. He, like few others around here, is up for a cold shower. :D
PS I am sincerely looking forward to see his Lingen in action, with proper input/output measurement and even better looped, and hopefully successful replications as well.
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To recap on local jesters, unlike what citfta claimed here
https://overunity.com/18653/ac-voltage-from-single-magnetic-pole/msg551832/#msg551832 (https://overunity.com/18653/ac-voltage-from-single-magnetic-pole/msg551832/#msg551832)
waveform of an iron core coil as found in an alternator is a normal sinewave as seen here (it does not matter that in car alternator it is rectified into dc, obviously).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YcilPyNQ8Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YcilPyNQ8Y)
Any intelligent conversation with him is impossible, he is just trolling. His name should be enough of a clue. "Carroll" means fierce, ferocious, savage, vicious etc. So it's best to ignore him, don't feed the troll.
https://overunity.com/18653/ac-voltage-from-single-magnetic-pole/msg552219/#msg552219 (https://overunity.com/18653/ac-voltage-from-single-magnetic-pole/msg552219/#msg552219)
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My motivation was always to enlighten all in all my threads and posts.
From
Another lenzless idea
https://overunity.com/18619/another-lenzless-idea/ (https://overunity.com/18619/another-lenzless-idea/)
Two kinds of induction - Henry
https://overunity.com/18391/two-kinds-of-induction-henry/msg541681 (https://overunity.com/18391/two-kinds-of-induction-henry/msg541681)
KUNEL device
https://overunity.com/18272/kunel-device/ (https://overunity.com/18272/kunel-device/)
Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
https://overunity.com/18878/reactive-current-parallel-rcl/ (https://overunity.com/18878/reactive-current-parallel-rcl/)
Just another Don Smith thread
https://overunity.com/19090/just-another-don-smith-thread/ (https://overunity.com/19090/just-another-don-smith-thread/)
Simple and powerful principle
https://overunity.com/18434/simple-and-powerful-principle/ (https://overunity.com/18434/simple-and-powerful-principle/)
Plauson's converter
https://overunity.com/18848/plausons-converter/ (https://overunity.com/18848/plausons-converter/)
to all the rest.
Here i exposed stivep's claim that you can't get power amplification in a RLC circuit. Not only can you get power amplfication big time, you can get overunity too as demonstrated here. And Makel bucking OU transformer next post below. 800 w in 1300 w out.
https://overunity.com/18878/reactive-current-parallel-rcl/msg568291/#msg568291 (https://overunity.com/18878/reactive-current-parallel-rcl/msg568291/#msg568291)
QuoteGuy i shared before who pumps 2.34kW in his big trans with 105W input.
Here he is looping it with UPS battery, battery starts at 13.69V.
Then he powers 280W of lights + charges the batter to 14.3V.
Reactive power is 1163W here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYWgcRB73bw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYWgcRB73bw)
And this beautiful example
Quote
And another example what is possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XClNRaFJLTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XClNRaFJLTM)
0-4W draw from the wall, load 300W.
Google translated video description
"Overunity transformer with 600 VA power. Transformer powered by mixed dimmer x resistive - inductive loads of 500 VA., Powered by 220 V AC current rectified by 4 diode bridges. A series of halogen lamps for one load have been connected to the outputs approximately 200 VA. Two other transformers are also connected to the power strip of the transformer, one of which consists of a series of 6 and the other of a single one with power factor correction capacitor without load. In the series of 6 a load of about 100 Va was connected by means of n. 2 car lamps. Lastly, 4 10 VA lamps are connected on the same socket, each regularly lit in the test. The total load on the illustrated circuit is approximately about 300 VA with input oscillating from 0 to 4 VA."
He is talking about 7 other transformers which can't be seen in the video, one of them with power correction cap, all in series. This resonates nicely with Stepanov. Large inductance 'removing' load from the wall.
https://overunity.com/18878/reactive-current-parallel-rcl/msg567908/#msg567908 (https://overunity.com/18878/reactive-current-parallel-rcl/msg567908/#msg567908)
And this one, we see classical power draw DROP with more load, power of RESONANCE.
QuoteHere is another example what's possible with resonant trans....
He is drawing about 17W from the wall and powers few hundred watt
worth of lamps almost completely from earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIDD8Kmmwk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIDD8Kmmwk)
Already tiny amp draw from the wall goes even lower when he turns on the lights.
https://overunity.com/18878/reactive-current-parallel-rcl/msg567881/#msg567881 (https://overunity.com/18878/reactive-current-parallel-rcl/msg567881/#msg567881)
I have already explained few times why every transformer in flyback mode should be OU, for simple fact that magnetizing current which uses 1-5% of full load power creates full load potential energy flux in the core, power is flux times frequency (just like in the motor it is torque times velocity, same thing), flux is max in no load state, frequency unchanged. So of course backemf is overunity. I already shared this Marc Belanger's backemf OU video many times, powering the light while charging the battery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwgDbE6gh44 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwgDbE6gh44)
As well as other examples like Meredieu i credited to lanca etc.
I also shared Gabriel device which was already spoken about here long ago.
And bolt's 250w or 500w lightbulb running almost purely on resonant reactive power and similarly from Dan Combine and his pdf from 2006 (in attachment). Etc endlessly.
Not to mention the occult stuff i shared here which especially still cannot be appreciated by most here and elsewhere, from secrets of the light and night side (Navaz) and infinitely more from occult and contactee sources to Aharonov–Bohm effect and A field as described in AETHER CONTROL via an understanding of ORTHOGONAL FIELDS
http://web.archive.org/web/19990221130932/http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/ortho1.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/19990221130932/http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/ortho1.htm)
To secrets of gravity/antigravity, cities on the Moon, secret space programs, our hollow Sun, that light and heat are created locally in the atmospheres etc.
For OU there are so many ways, if you want simplest approach you want mechanical resonance, just a pendulum or a weighted spring or even better, as described above, combining resonant pendulum and weighted springs is a powerful way to OU. Next after that in sophistication is magnetic neutralization screen as i described it, this is good for motors but i always say it's best to cancel lenz directly as i suggested with magnets inside a coil, and yet better are large, high q OU transformers, be it backemf or resonance + lenz diversion etc. These are concrete solutions that lead to breakthroughs. But rare got clear vision and without it no true success can come. Seek always deeper understanding and higher energy level, you can run in circles on lower energy level forever and you will accomplish nothing and sadly that is exactly what most do, lukewarm "attempts" doomed to fail before they even tried. Sure it is all a learning experience but you MUST seek deeper understanding always, push yourself to the limits, break all boundaries, all limitations, don't settle for average. Always keep in your vision the basic OU principles of mechanical and EM resonance, so you always know you got a backup, and you will never be hopeless.
Overunity should be part of one's spiritual awakening, realization that we live in the spiritual Creation expressing through a mental duality (electric magnetic, male female etc emerging from the stillness of Self just like the Divine Sound/Music (Shabd) emerges from the Self beyond time-space (beyond the Great Divide of Maha Sunn)). All these things and more are summarized on my blog homepage VRILYA DHARMA https://vril12.wordpress.com/ (https://vril12.wordpress.com/)
Truth is infinite.
Peace out,
Nix
Quote from: C.O.P.1000 on March 20, 2023, 08:08:55 PM
I have done nothing wrong, i shared more valuable and illuminating stuff than most if not all here, therefore, since i know my hands are clean, i will not be silenced.
I like your tenacity Nix.
Forget everyone else here on this forum for just a moment and let me ask
of you a small favor. Can you with your own hands please build a small electronic
device that powers a ten watt filament lamp, fully self contained, self running.
What I'm asking is for you to change roles for a couple of weeks. Instead of
being a messenger, I'd like for you to become a teacher/instructor. This is
for me personally, no one else for the moment. I'm just asking you to show
me how to do this. And I mean you, not someone else. I've have been
experimenting with these types of devices going on two decades now and
have been unable to successfully replicate anything on my bench let alone
comprehend a solid principal of operation. In every case, I ran into some
part of the device where it behaves exactly opposite of what the inventor
says it should do.
I'd really like for you to consider and accept this challenge. If you will do
it, people will listen, I will listen, you will have made your point. You will
be responsible for getting all of us back on track. To be clear, the challenge
is for you to carefully, patiently walk me through a build of small electronic
device, piece by piece, until I can get it working. You will build one of them
first as the template and help me along as I replicate and begin to understand
it. The challenge isn't complete until I am satisfied with the results.
Are you in?
Are you sure enough about your convictions? If you are, then this shouldn't
be difficult for you. I would accept the challenge from someone else if I
had the knowledge and experience you have. It's an easy decision. I like
helping genuine and sincere people. I'd do this for fun even if it cost me
many sleepless nights. I just don't know what you know, so I cannot.
Let's change that together. Are you ready?
Quote from: Dog-One on March 21, 2023, 02:56:15 AM
I like your tenacity Nix...Are you in?
To start from the end, i am sure enough about my convictions and i have no doubt when i put my energy and funds in certain methods that i will eventually succeed but i made it clear many times, that i have not succeeded yet (am working on something related but different right now). So it is not hard to understand i can not guide you step by step to make a working device, and your sentence "I would accept the challenge from someone else if I had the knowledge and experience you have." and other sentences around it are not appropriate and are even verging on rude, firstly, it is not about challenges, but cooperation, sharing, and again, i cannot guide you a,b,c to do something i have not done (yet).
I stated openly and it is very clear that i am sharing methods i BELIEVE in, often backed up with examples i BELIEVE to be genuine, and explanations why they should work, nothing more and nothing less. For example for flyback i explained clearly that energy "transferred" (nothing is really transferred) through a transformer is proportional to flux times frequency and that 1-5% of full load energy is enough to establish full flux and thus full potential energy in the core. It follows logically from this that flyback mode should be overunity - and this is what we hear from so many sources. I have not seen anyone correlate this so clearly around here or anywhere - the fact that no load flux is max and that max flux means full potential energy - created by tiny input - also correlated with the fact that modern high perm cores need tiny input current to generate large flux.
Or the work of Janos Vajda, and the fact that energy of a wave is amplitude squared E = A² and thus uniting two same waves should double the overall energy. Vajda measured max of 48% increase over unity if i remember correctly.
https://overunity.com/18239/the-solution/dlattach/attach/179171/
So here we have principle of wave superposition, of resonance. And from best researchers in the field it's been heard since long time it all comes down to separating the input from the output with resonant systems, mechanical or electromagnetic, bigger the better, higher q the better. Of course this is not the only method, methods ala Ed Gray and Kunel are different, and there are of course many others not relying on resonance. There are so many approaches one needs to find what he resonates with the most.
Also, even someone who has done it - best he can is tell you how he did it, considering how delicate these things are, chances are almost certainly you would fail to replicate him, so it is always best to follow your intuition, build up your own knowledge and intelligence to the point where solutions open up, and always follow the method(s) YOU like the best, not just for sake of success.
With all that said, considering you apparently just want to confirm overunity with a looped 10W device. As i said few times already, i cannot guide you nor will i partake in any "challenge", but i can suggest, if you are sincere and determined, to follow these well known principles and mostly follow your intuition and what you feel is the best method for you. If you're just after any method just to prove overunity, i guess i would suggest you the tuned pendulum + weighted spring method. But i am not even suggesting, i am just saying generally, if i were suggesting the simplest method i believe can yield success, it would be that or even simpler just a big pendulum turning a PMG by a belt. In the end, it's all up to you, and each one of us.
Nix
Okay fair enough. I wish I had your energy. ;)
And you can call me rude if you would like. Doesn't hurt my
feelings. From my upbringing, rude would be something like,
"Put up or shut up b*tch!". That's not me, not how I roll. We
can come to an understanding, but I will caution you, there are
others watching and they have different tolerance thresholds.
I also recognize what "i BELIEVE" means. We all have a unique
perception of the world around us and rarely does it happen when
two randomly picked individuals share an identical one. I happen
to "KNOW" a few things that you wouldn't "BELIEVE", maybe not
even after I showed it to you. So please, let's not go there right
away.
Since you haven't been successful yourself at this work, let's try
slowing the noise down just a wee bit. This stuff is difficult enough
without being buried in information. The sharing of information is
fine if it is actual bench work to confirm some piece of the mountains
of data already floating around. I have terabytes of information on
my server. I have an epic fail pile of devices large enough to fill
a 26 foot pup trailer. If someone asks me about something I may
still remember, I'll find it and give it to them, but I don't firehose
folks with it. Doing so doesn't help the cause. We need serious
participation here. We need to get our hands dirty and figure out
something that works, then engage in discussion and nail down the
details well enough for others to experience the same phenomena
on their bench.
If you are convinced these devices really are so delicate they
cannot be replicated, then we're screwed and Stefan should just
retire and relieve himself of all the responsibility and grief keeping
this site operational. I personally don't feel that way. I think if
someone makes a device, they should be able to make a second
one that also works and then others should be able to do it too.
That's what we looking for I'm pretty certain.
So all I'm asking for here is let's get focused. Concentrate on
something you can manifest and make it so. Then we can talk
about it and go from there.
Also, who is Dan Combine? That you or someone you know?
For starters, this little circuit needs to be researched carefully
to determine if it does anything helpful.
A true time bandit ....
Taking peoples lives one minute at a time ( this you would gladly do forever
Just to have the stage ( look at me I'm important!!)
With no conscience whatsoever .. it's your religion
Nor anything to show but copy paste and hunches ..and conceptual errors .
Like a heckler on the other side of the barrier at a construction job site ( build topics) ..yelling instructions in another tongue .
A Martyr too ..
Actually unfortunately you are not unique in this Free Energy research field
There are plenty of others too ( doing this for decades ..no end in sight )
Time bandits
—///———-
Here,
Another offer ..since you seem to have unlimited time and Zeal , to fill forum with your concrete Whims ..
Put a budget to a build ( you say you lack resources)
make a presentation and your expectations ,
Start a build topic .. I had asked you many times before ,
( a self runner here would be easy for you it seems ( mechanical ( or anything at all)
This forum has many open source builders in the wings ..
Incredibly skilled with similar piles of failed builds !
As mentioned by DogOne ( me too ... just not a sea container full)
Pick something and we will try to get you whatever resources you lack .
TEACH
100% serious offer
Please make your presentation.
Sincerely
Chet
Quote from: C.O.P.1000 on March 20, 2023, 08:08:55 PM
Since he (presumably so called mod) bans me and deletes my posts at Holcomb thread, i am replying here. I have done nothing wrong, i shared more valuable and illuminating stuff than most if not all here, therefore, since i know my hands are clean, i will not be silenced. BTW i got many more accounts and will make as many as needed, and if they really insist on silencing me, there are methods to take further measures.
Starting you own topics is simple.
Well, I'll make a perpetual motion machine, let's say. What's the point?
I'll only get myself into trouble. You won't take me anyway.
I have long understood that there is little sense from it.
At best, if it has enough power for practical use,
put it in the basement and use it yourself.
Он нафиг никому не нужен.(OU) :(
Quote from: qfactor on March 21, 2023, 01:30:10 PM
You ban in vain, i got more accounts than you can count and can open infinitely more if needed. Like i said I have done nothing wrong,
...
Multiple accounts is forbidden in the forum rules.
bi
The pendulum/weighted spring combination looks promising. I might try it.
Mihail Dmitrievs's work along the similar lines, input 1kW, output near 3kW.
He says "Output power is limited by the use of motor - generator (3kW here).
This mechanical system (an active flywheel) can support the generation of up to 10 kW."
Video 10 in the playlist shows clearly how wheel is made heavier on the right side.
Video 12 shows variation of the same principle, small motor pushing weights to the right
making the right side always heavier, he claims 5:1 gain in this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghL6KJD3EWg&list=UULF09-tiSka6krzkxb2YJKIMw&index=6
And another nice example of overbalanced wheel overunity, weight on one side
periodically contracts and expands, energy to do this is clearly small as big wheel spins
the generator through transmission and generates big excess energy.
36W in, he claims 8400W out but that is clearly wrong as that alternator is not capable of
that output, but nonetheless, output is many times the input.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h07dGylgN8w
And their improved designs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4SbXabmZuQ
Which are similar to Kostoff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQKEQB-IoeM
Centrifugal Gravitational Motor from Italy. Brushless motor is spinning the 10kg
unbalanced weight which causes the central shaft to oscillate back and forth which
is converted into rotary motion and runs an alternator, pure, clean energy. This is
obviously a variation of Skinner's device, another confirmation of precession overunity.
I believe it would be overunity even without the precession, i love it how they converterd
the unbalanced centrifugal oscillation into rotation to run an alternator. Altho the load does
not seem to be big, it is a nice example of mechanical overunity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiAZF0pMfyA
Then there is the Ucros principle, i think he claims 20x energy amplification,
by synched offset rotation of two half-flywheels. I love to see oil
drilling machinery turned to overunity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QQ4NWpbQYc
Then there is this unbalanced lever principle which is obviously
not self-running but....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9bx1e0Q0P0
...witch small input it easily becomes overunity. Here is a bigger version
of this this fueless motor (pdf instructions in attachment),
at each half rotation weight is pushed outside by an electromagnet,
with gain in energy from gravity. Of course as pdf say backEMF should
be collected. In video air compressor is used, but em should be used.
As they say in the pdf "We used inertia and gravity as our main energy
source. This motor produces very high torque!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxQZk1bxZU
Then this interesting small overunity generator from Bulgaria. We can see there
is apparently a coil on the top and bottom of the tube, we can't see what's inside
the tube but i bet it is neo magnet on a spring, upper coil probably fires every
time magnet is inside the coil, this + gravity pulls the magnet down and gravity
+ resonant oscillation of the weighted spring generates overunity in one or both
coils, probably with backEMF recovered. I don't speak Bulgarian but i understand
enough that he says he removed the motor from the scooter and plans to run it with
this. Flywheel is probably there just to smooth the operation but may also add to
the overunity effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyHACi9UgRQ
These are all interesting and valuable approaches, but i believe simple tuned weighted
spring (and weight can and of course should be neos) + pendulum run by a small motor
is a powerful and simple way to achieve big overunity. I envision a 5kg pendulum
on a 35cm long arm tuned with a strong rubber spring on top and below with a big
neo (or many small ones) oscillating inside a pancake coil (remember Figuera!).
Or maybe even better timed electromagnet can run the tuned pendulum which directly
drives a generator. Again, backEMF should be collected, energy comes from resonance.
Same thing in horizontal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGKLi0i0k8k&
Then there is this magnet + spring motor i saw years ago and was looking for hours
literally through hundreds and hundreds of videos to find it, just when i was to
give up there it was, well, there was another video from his channel (water bottles),
but i knew immediatelly that's it. Too bad no explanation for this one, but we can see
he uses magnets and a spring. I think big magnet is attracted to iron strip going all
around rotor and just at the place where it wants to stick there is a small repelling
magnet + spring on the offset pivot contracts and pulls the big magnet back and
cycle repeats. I might build this one for fun. This one is definitely one of my favorit
if not my favorite low-power-output real perpetual motion devices. PS turn the audio
all the way up to hear it working.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MmSp9DsnME
Altho i believe all who were supposed to read them have read them,
my responses to false accusations above have been backed up
here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJsKL7c-1M
and here https://vril12.wordpress.com/over-overunity/
Nix
My (Nix85) deleted replies to sl, dog-one and ramset
Reply to SL's aka junior troll's trolling attempt...
Funny (and cute) how he imagined he is a "Master Troll" and that he inflicted "mental damage" to me, lol, just the opposite, i did not know i inflicted so much mental damage by my "Master Trolling" he went out of his way to copy paste my facebook comments. I'll have to be more careful in the future... ;D
And "poet" AlienGrey with magical spelling skills who called me "bozo thug enema" was, of course, describing himself.
Reply to dog-one
Some day you will (probably not in this life, tho) 😉
I don't have to call you rude, you called yourself, your "challenge" is actually a semi-threat "if you don't guide me step by step you are a bad person for not helping me bla bla". As for "Put up or shut up bitch!", talk to the mirror, bitch. I share both concrete knowledge and also stuff which may be called "belief" or clear vision, both have value in proper context, so you are barking at the wrong person.
And you don't get to caution me or threaten with others with "different tolerance thresholds", what are you imagining, that you're on high school playground or something. It was clear from your first word that you are totally triggered but now you are crossing all the lines.
Of course we all have a unique perception of the world around us and rarely does it happen when two randomly picked individuals share an identical one but that is totally besides the point. No you do not understand the meaning behind my "i believe", you have NO IDEA what energy level i operate at, and this is not to boast in any way but just objectively, so i find it funny what you wrote.
There is nothing you know or could know that i could not believe, that is, digest fully without slightest resistance, you, on the other hand, COULD NOT BELIEVE some things i KNOW, maybe not if i showed them to you, so let's leave it at that.
That i haven't been successful is a misleading statement, i have been perfectly successful in attaining a level of knowledge and understanding that i desired to attain up to this point in life, in fact, much more than that, i have just not materialized the overunity device yet, of which i have few clear and complete visions, down to details, with understanding of underlying principles. As for your calling my sharing of info "noise", no, nothing of it is noise, noise is exactly your confused ignorant skepticism. All i share is highly valuable rare info, as i listed above, in depth rare technical elaborations/explanations, and valuable examples to inspire and give ideas of possible approaches and solutions, that is how things evolve, by sharing. And where is your equivalent of anything i listed above, you got none. Just the fact that you have "an epic fail pile of devices large enough to fill a 26 foot pup trailer" shows there is something fundamentally wrong in your approach.
Firstly, if you were approaching it in correct manner with patience, vision, persistence, it should not take one more than 3 or 4 big projects to get to solution. I have behind me, failed Thomas Engle motor, failed inertial device, failed toroid stator alternator, failed Don Smith replica, and this what i work on now is my 5th major project and altho saying goes "Third time's a Charm", for me it is a "Fifth time's a Charm", INDEED.
So, i see clearly it is your MINDSET that is the issue, you are stuck in negativity, you lack knowledge, inspiration, CLEAR VISION, and thus you don't stick with one thing long enough, you lack all the essentials for success.
Sure, firehosing your fails won't help the cause, but i am not sharing fails, i am sharing successful devices, very concrete highly technical and educational/enlightening stuff (like flyback example and thousands of others) and also inspiring, uplifting examples of beautiful and great ideas, all this does help the cause, from true deepening of technical knowledge and understanding both conventional and nonconventional to inspiration and sense that field is larger than you thought yesterday, and more people are passionate about it than you thought yesterday etc (which is important! – i know from my own years in this), more potential solutions for breakthroughs, more LIGHT....
And i have been doing hands on dirty work for 10 years now in this, and figuring out what works, always seeking deeper understanding and correlating on deeper levels, and engaging in discussions to learn and to share, both what's on the bench and what's in the mind and heart, focusing on core principles that always need to be understood better and better and all the rest that matters.
All this and more has been my part of serious participation, both concrete and visionary. And where is your "serious participation". Just blind skepticism. This field is truly verging between art and science, between spirit and technology, this is DIVINE TECHNOLOGY. So don't you put your false limits on things that are LIMIT-LESS.
Then you hilariously misinterpret my words, i never said overunity devices are so delicate they cannot be replicated lol, i said if someone told you how he did it chances are YOU would fail to replicate it, do NOT twist my words. Of course they can be and are replicated. I have been saying that overunity black market is huge and it is huge as you will some day find out, much larger than you could imagine. So not only they can be, they are replicated on massive scale for many years.
As for focusing, it is clearly you who is not focused, at least not on the right things. I am totally focused and totally open, receptive and inspired at the same time, both are equally important. I have what would to you seem totally fictional goals, straight our SF, but for me they are simple for i know what i can do and for that i can thank sticking to my vision with infinite determination, always working hard on gaining deeper and wider understanding of all involved principles and associated technologies etc.
Dan Combine is not important and no i do not know him personally, what is the point of asking who is he, read his book, if you find it valuable great, if not throw it away, simple.
As for "your" little circuit, you have not provided any insight what exactly did you imagine there so there is no point to comment on it.
And reply to professional actor,crier,non builder,time bandit ramset. Not really worthy of a reply.
You are indeed a true time bandit....
You are indeed taking peoples lives one minute at a time, and you would gladly do it forever, just to have a stage to continue your fake "crying" act "look at me I'm important!!"
You indeed do it with no conscience whatsoever .. it's YOUR religion.
Unlike you i have tons of good stuff to show, already listed above...actual KNOWLEDGE, actual SOLUTIONS, actual VALUE many indeed appreciate, what have you contributed EVER.
As for "conceptual errors" NAME ONE, you can't cause there are none. You on the other hand wrote nothing but conceptual errors and wrong hunches.
You are that heckler indeed, you again describe yourself.
I never said or implied to be a martyr of any kind, i was unjustly banned multiple times, that's all. You've been playing a martyr for years, "crying" fake tears.
Keep projecting your flaws onto others, you really are a true time bandit..
Not to mention the INFINITE irony and hypocrisy of your projections. YOUR dismissive detachment from the true need is mind boggling. All you ever do is useless fake crying, no real value from you ever.
And again like a broken record you repeat the same act supposedly offering me "many open source builders" bla bla, altho you know i am a builder (unlike you) and altho i said i am a the moment working on a major project (my 5th) that takes almost 100% of my energy and time. So i am not looking for resources or builders for i am one, unlike you.
I share best of my knowledge and ideas out of good will and love for the subject (God knows this is true) as i always did and as ALL my threads show. Time is my Witness.
Show me ONE valuable idea/potential solution you ever contributed here, show me ONE thing you ever built, show me ONE thing of value you ever shared here. You can't cause ALL you ever had is hollow useless act.
I told you, stop the useless act, stop "begging for just one" and "crying" fake tears, LEARN electronics, conventional and exotic, start contributing with ideas, with knowledge, start building, provide some actual VALUE for a change.
100% serious offer.
Sincerely,
Nix
And another suppressed overbalanced wheel overunity system
Karra Green Energy
https://web.archive.org/web/20080419103626/http://karragreenenergy.com/index.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcz4G-kRRXg
From his website
From The Syrian Inventor Haroutioun Karramanoukian, Aleppo – Syria
KARRA GREEN ENERGY FOR GRAVITY GENERATED ELECTRICITY
For the first time in the history of mankind, I succeeded, after years of hard work and consistency, during the period from 1967 to 1992, in changing the earth's gravity to electricity,
the power of each machine could reach 5MW
The machine (invention) could be designed in different scales according to the power and energy needed in the place under consideration.
Patent
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=EP&NR=1712786&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP
"A machine mechanically controlled consisting of main arms (6), secondary arms (9) and tertiary arms (16) with accessories, characterized in that the arms move simultaneously in opening and closing manner through articulated joints and bearings, the machine rotating as a whole, where a lower articulated bar (28) assisting movement of the secondary arm (9) in high position, moving by the ball bearing (27), when the secondary arm (9) rests thereon, causes the articulated bar (28) to carry on its stroke with the secondary arm (9) in the amount of 20 % of the stroke remaining for the secondary arm, with the main arm (6) and accessories."
Also from here
http://www.theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/4.html
"In Syria was there since 1967 from Haroutioun Karramanoukian from Aleppo in Syria an engagement with a gravity wheel named the G-force Kara green Energy machine for which patents have been awarded since 1992 in 20 European countries (EP1712786). The device consists of asymmetrical on a wheel mounted levers that mechanically and hydraulically 'neutralize gravity' and thus deliver a machine capable of producing up to 5 Mw of electric power. On a video we see a noisy, hydraulic puffing machine of three meters high that, so one says, runs for 24 hours a day on its own without any external input. The inventor claims that he since 2005 is capable of delivering custom made units according the local need for energy."
Many of these overbalanced wheel devices exploit the fact that relatively small energy in form of pressurized air or electricity and magnetism is enough to shorten/extend the weighted arm thus making the wheel always heavier on one side with big energy gain.
And another similar patent
https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdf.sumobrain.com/US20110241355A1.pdf?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAIBOKHYOLP4MBMRGQ%2F20230409%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20230409T000000Z&X-Amz-Expires=174406&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=276cd86c35bd5c0c0da0a1b94b2a76f2a316b2b2c68e070627df165da40257e8#view=FitH
Nix
Most beautiful demonstration of basic Skinner principle
Small energy is required to change the tilt of the axis
weight falls continuously with big energy gain.
I think it would be even better if tilt angle was slightly lesser.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTWwp5qUY3U
Nix
So with one way bearings and a large flywheel with heavy off center weights, a small drive motor would in fact turn a gen head at a much larger rate. The flywheel would drive a universal on the bottom to the take off under the weighted flywheel. Hmm. This is worth a play with.
I think regular bearings would do, but apart from that pretty much so, heavier, bigger the better.
It would be even better if turning handle in the video was 3,4 times smaller, tiny basically,
so you get a real impression how tiny the input is vs the power of torque due to eternal free
falling. I would only make the tilt angle slighly lesser, my intuition tells me it would be even better.
Nix
Karra Green Energy, another rare photo little more close up and clearer.
Nix
Two overunity books
Energy Invention Suppression Cases Compiled by Gary Vesperman with the help of numerous contributors from 2007
and
New Sources of Energy by Alexander Frolov from 2021
Nix
Interesting one from India. Notice it is almost noiseless except when hammer misses the spring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvY7O4sKRRM
BTW if you want to read about how India was 12,000 years ago, read this (but only if you are capable of seeing that this is the book of TRUTH).
https://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/dtp/dtp20.htm
Full book color illustrated (very rare) here
https://www.mediafire.com/file/p4qc95220yu491o/ATLANTIS.rar/file
Nix
Regarding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvY7O4sKRRM
very cool...
It is. BTW you still have not confessed your sins...
Nix
This is also cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlBBbwC_jzs
Ah the blindness. Just like in the example below, it is the fact that falling weight hits multiple times, every time it bounces back counter torque on the big wheel is minimal or nothing, while on the rebound fall it imparts significant toque. This one has no springs but principle is exactly the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbCnzsFjvQU
And to also remind of this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MmSp9DsnME
Nix
Quote from: perpetual on April 18, 2023, 10:35:09 PM
It is. BTW you still have not confessed your sins...
Nix
Specifics please. Exactly what one fact or fiction is it that you dispute.
Quote from: Willy on April 19, 2023, 12:41:30 PM
Specifics please. Exactly what one fact or fiction is it that you dispute.
You know what i refer to...
You claimed pressure at the bottom of the tube rises with height of the tube.
And that energy input/output is the same.
Nix
Sorry buddy, not even close to being specific enough.
You called for the duel / affaire d'honneur. The one challenged (I) gets to decide
the weapons of choice, not the challenger (you).
Sorry buddy, this is 100% specific, more than enough.
You don't get to decide anything, you made false claims, now you have to admit it.
To quote you
Quote from: Willy on April 11, 2023, 06:31:49 PM
The taller the tube the greater the pressure at its bottom.
[...]
But the energy inputs are equal. This is one of the things that makes it a tough proposition (buoyance based energy experiments).
So, you claimed pressure at the bottom rises with height of the tube and that there is no energy gain here.
Both claims are 100% wrong. Admit you are wrong.
Nix
1. "So, you claimed pressure at the bottom rises with height of the tube "
2. "and that there is no energy gain here."
No I will not respond to this. More specific please.
1. To eliminate all confusion, you must first describe HERE IN, for me, that tube and the conditions it is under.
2. Only after #1 is satisfied, will I move on to the second.
No, you did claim that as everyone can see.
Your escape attempts are in vain, your claims are general and unambiguous.
You wrote referring to tube filled with water above the water tank
"The taller the tube the greater the pressure at its bottom."
That is false. Pressure at the bottom is one atmosphere no matter if tube is 1 meter tall or 10 meters tall.
You also claimed in multiple posts that there is no energy gain here, which is also wrong.
Confess your sins.
Nix
this is only a part of the quote but....
Quote from: Willy on April 19, 2023, 01:27:19 PM
1. "So, you claimed pressure at the bottom rises with height of the tube "
2. "and that there is no energy gain here."
I will modify my statements from above for you, to this below.
1. "So, you (Willy) claimed pressure at the bottom rises with height of the tube "
2. "and that there is no energy gain here."
No I will not respond to this. More specific please.
1. To eliminate all confusion, you must first describe HERE IN, for me, that tube and the conditions it is under.
2. Only after #1 is satisfied, will I move on to the second.
Quote from: perpetual on April 19, 2023, 01:37:14 PM
No, you did claim that as everyone can see.
Your escape attempts are in vain, your claims are general and unambiguous.
You wrote referring to tube filled with water above the water tank
"The taller the tube the greater the pressure at its bottom."
That is false. Pressure at the bottom is one atmosphere no matter if tube is 1 meter tall or 10 meters tall.
You also claimed in multiple posts that there is no energy gain here, which is also wrong.
Confess your sins.
Nix
More precise description please.
Is this tube (high lighted in red above) ....
1. sealed at its upper end ?
2. filled with water ?
3. its bottom end is immersed below the water line of a tank of water ?
4. most of the tube has been lifted above the water line of the tank of water below it ?
You are clearly too immature to admit your mistakes as an adult should. I made mistakes too, i ADMITTED them.
You on the other hand pathetically try to troll instead of simply admitting you are wrong.
In case anyone is not familiar, this is about the principle i proposed starting with this post
https://overunity.com/18434/simple-and-powerful-principle/msg576431/#msg576431
From there onward you can read all my and his posts, it is very clear he denied energy gain in this principle.
And he - referring to the noted principle in which tube is filled with water and is almost completely above the water tank it sits in - claimed pressure at the bottom of the tube rises with height of the tube.
Well, nope. It does not. It is 1 atmosphere, contrary to your claim.
Your refusal to admit the obvious is taken as an admission that you are wrong.
Nix
You say that I "try to troll". To be clear, does this mean that you want me to not post here
again ?
a precise description below...
this tube
1. sealed at its upper end
2. filled with water
3. its bottom end is immersed below the water line of a tank of water
4. most of the tube has been lifted above the water line of the tank of water below it
has a vacuum relative to the pressure outside it. That vacuum is greater near to the top
of the tube than is the vacuum present near to the bottom of that tube.
That vacuum drops to zero at the tank's water line.
You are trying to troll your way out of admitting your mistakes, but you fail there as well.
No, i do not want you to stop posting here, i never said or implied that.
Since you decided to act like a 5yo refusing to admit your mistakes there is no point in pursuing the issue.
Obviously sealed at its upper end, filled with water, its bottom end is immersed below the water line of a tank of water and most of the tube has been lifted above the water line of the tank of water below it - this was clearly described and you knew it when you made the claims.
Fact remains pressure at the bottom does NOT rise with height, it is 1 atmosphere, contrary to your claim.
And also this system should be around 200% efficient, possibly more, also contrary to your claim.
Now, keep acting like a 5yo or stand behind your claims like an adult.
Nix
partial quote below only
Quote from: perpetual on April 19, 2023, 02:16:10 PM
Obviously sealed at its upper end, filled with water, its bottom end is immersed below the water line of a tank of water and most of the tube has been lifted above the water line of the tank of water below it - this was clearly described and you knew it when you made the claims.
Fact remains pressure at the bottom does NOT rise with height, it is 1 atmosphere, contrary to your claim.
this tube
1. sealed at its upper end
2. filled with water
3. its bottom end is immersed below the water line of a tank of water
4. most of the tube has been lifted above the water line of the tank of water below it
has a vacuum relative to the pressure outside it (above the tank's water line).
That vacuum is greater near to the top of the tube than is the vacuum present
near to the bottom of that tube.
That vacuum drops to zero at the tank's water line.
[/quote]
now we are getting some where...
The pressure relative to the surrounding air pressure (rather than vacuum) is zero
at the tank's water line
and
below the tank's water line the pressure relative to the surrounding air pressure is greater
than the surrounding air pressure
and
the farther below the tank's water line the greater that pressure becomes relative to the
surrounding air pressure.
There is my confession, part 1. Does this satify you as part 1 ?
You are using term vacuum instead of partial vacuum, vacuum is created only if height difference is 10.3 meters or more.
But sure, you finally admitted pressure at the bottom does not rise with height of the tube.
What about your claim that there is no energy gain here.
Agree
"partial vacuum" rather than "vacuum" is the correct phrase or word choice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum
However, since you bring this up. Does not this not indicate that you already
understood the phrase "vacuum relative to the surrounding air pressure" to mean
partial vacuum ? Why under the conditions being discussed, would anyone assume
other wise ?
Firstly, in your sentence where you finally admitted your sin
"The pressure relative to the surrounding air pressure (rather than vacuum) is zero
at the tank's water line"
"rather than vacuum" part is unnecessary. You are comparing pressure inside the tube at water line to pressure outside the tube at water line aka surrounding atmospheric pressure, there is absolutely no need to say "rather than vacuum" or partial vacuum. And in the first place there is no need to even complicate the issue with "the pressure relative to...", as i've been saying from the beginning pressure at the bottom of the tube (at waterline) IS the surrounding atmospheric pressure.
Now, you totally misunderstood why i brought up the "partial vacuum", it is not that in your sentence "rather than..." partial vacuum must be used instead of vacuum. Whole "rather than" thing is redundant.
I said partial vacuum referring to vacuum at the top of the tube. Technically, it is never a perfect vacuum cause even after 10.3 meter height long before perfect vacuum is created water boils and cold steam fills that space, it is surely not vacuum.
At lower heights there is no vacuum at all, partial or complete. Tube is completely filled with water, how can there be vacuum. It is only that pressure that water experiences toward the top is smaller than 1 atmosphere proportionally to difference in height and we all know air pressure falls with height.
Why the 10.3 meter limit (or little less), what is vapor pressure etc is nicely explained in the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHNoHhbfFDQ
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Very well then sir, shall we continue on, toward and through #2 ?
#2. I willy say that "there is no energy gain here."
As before we both agree to ...
That in order to eliminate all confusion, YOU must first describe HERE IN, for me, the conditions
under which I have claimed "there is no energy gain here".
analyze the power input to each of the examples
include the energy required to reach resonance speed.
Add the energy input every cycle (at resonance)
Compare these added totals to the amount of fluid pumped.
results prove that a flywheel is more efficient than any of the examples.
Ok, let's say conditions are a 10 meter tall tube half meter wide, obviously fully filled with water above a water pool wide enough to support such large column of water.
We got a steel spindle, elongated, sharp pointed, water resistance minimized.
Spindle has 10kg but due to air chamber inside it has -10kg in water.
Spindle is inserted at the bottom of the tube and let go.
Over a pully -10kg weighing spindle is spinning - for the sake of argument - 100% efficient generator and all energy - the tiny losses due to water resistance is captured in the capacitors or batteries.
As spindle hits the top small valve is opened on it, it releases the air out, now it weighs 10kg and free falls back to the bottom again spinning the generator and all the energy is again captured.
Once back at the bottom pump is pumping the air released at the top through a small tube running vertically through the whole big tube back into the spindle.
Cycle repeats.
Question, what is the energy needed to pump the air back down into spindle.
First and logical assumption would be energy equal to energy needed to lift the displaced weight of water (10kg) to that height (10m).
And energy to lift 10kg to that height is equal to energy spindle generated IN ONE DIRECTION, whether falling up or down, two being exactly the same.
Thus, energy produced in one direction is completely free and efficiency of the system is around 200%.
Additional info. It is possible altho not very likely that energy needed to pump the air back down is even less due to the fact this is not exactly the same situation as when suction is created from above the tube. Here, pumping is done from the bottom through the tube going up. It is clearly seen in video below he fills this big tube with few breaths and it appears effortless.
https://youtu.be/6RnorkCkEqI?t=59
Of course this is far far from a 10m tube.
It is hard to be sure if energy needed to pump the air back down is less than spindle generates as it falls up or down, but it is definitely not more.
Nix
Want to measure the vacuum force inside this 'sealed, partially submerged' tube?
It is equal to the force required to hold that tube above the waterline.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 19, 2023, 05:53:46 PM
Want to measure the vacuum force inside this 'sealed, partially submerged' tube?
It is equal to the force required to hold that tube above the waterline.
Agree
Given that for the sake of the discussion, we assign a value to the EMPTY tube as having
neither weight nor buoyancy in either atmosphere or water.
word EMPTY was late edited in for clarity... willy
There is no force required to hold the tube above the waterline. Tube is standing on supports above the water line by itself.
https://youtu.be/yqL-uKf0OhI?t=1452
Besides, like i said, it is nonsensical to talk of vacuum in a tube which is completely filled with water.
Only if air is intentionally let into the tube or tube is higher than 10 meters partial vacuum will begin to form, but never real vacuum cause, as i said, the moment significant partial vacuum starts to form water boils and space is filled with water vapor.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 19, 2023, 05:53:46 PM
Want to measure the vacuum force inside this 'sealed, partially submerged' tube?
It is equal to the force required to hold that tube above the waterline.
It is equal to the force the tube exerts upon the supports.
The force the tube exerts upon the supports is the weight of the tube itself, not water, so that is surely not the measure of the partial vacuum force.
"Besides, like i said, it is nonsensical to talk of vacuum in a tube which is completely filled with water."
Weight of the water in the tube is neutralized by the surrounding air pressure, water in the tube has no weight. That is why pressure at the bottom of the tube is 1 atmosphere in the first place.
We cannot talk of vacuum in a container which is completely filled with a fluid.
That is nonsense.
Partial vacuum is generated at the top only if tube is higher than 10 meters.
So, are you still denying the energy gain.
Quote from: perpetual on April 19, 2023, 05:49:21 PM
Ok, let's say conditions are a 10 meter tall tube half meter wide, obviously fully filled with water above a water pool wide enough to support such large column of water.
We got a steel spindle, elongated, sharp pointed, water resistance minimized.
Spindle has 10kg but due to air chamber inside it has -10kg in water.
Spindle is inserted at the bottom of the tube and let go.
Over a pully -10kg weighing spindle is spinning - for the sake of argument - 100% efficient generator and all energy - the tiny losses due to water resistance is captured in the capacitors or batteries.
As spindle hits the top small valve is opened on it, it releases the air out, now it weighs 10kg and free falls back to the bottom again spinning the generator and all the energy is again captured.
Once back at the bottom pump is pumping the air released at the top through a small tube running vertically through the whole big tube back into the spindle.
Cycle repeats.
Question, what is the energy needed to pump the air back down into spindle.
First and logical assumption would be energy equal to energy needed to lift the displaced weight of water (10kg) to that height (10m).
And energy to lift 10kg to that height is equal to energy spindle generated IN ONE DIRECTION, whether falling up or down, two being exactly the same.
Thus, energy produced in one direction is completely free and efficiency of the system is around 200%.
Additional info. It is possible altho not very likely that energy needed to pump the air back down is even less due to the fact this is not exactly the same situation as when suction is created from above the tube. Here, pumping is done from the bottom through the tube going up. It is clearly seen in video below he fills this big tube with few breaths and it appears effortless.
https://youtu.be/6RnorkCkEqI?t=59
Of course this is far far from a 10m tube.
It is hard to be sure if energy needed to pump the air back down is less than spindle generates as it falls up or down, but it is definitely not more.
Nix
Yes, but I am not as yet satisfied that you have met the conditions of
our gentleman's agreement as written below
1. To eliminate all confusion, you must first describe HERE IN, for me, that tube and the conditions it is under.
First, I will study your description of the device and conditions, to see if
I am understanding them correctly.
The tube and the conditions have been clearly described.
1. While the spindle is a, b and c
a. outside of the water tank
b. outside of the tube
c. full of air
the spindle weighs 10kg.
Is this correct ?
Don't pretend to be dumb, everything is written perfectly clearly, read it.
You don't honor the agreement, I don't play.
1. While the spindle is a, b and c
a. outside of the water tank
b. outside of the tube
c. full of air
the spindle weighs 10kg.
Is this correct ?
There is no agreement, you are the one who made false claims.
It's up to you if you will defend your honor.
Weight of the spindle has been clearly defined.
A quote from perpetual
"Spindle has 10kg but due to air chamber inside it has -10kg in water."
The end of that quote
When empty of water, the spindle has a weight of 10 kg while outside of the water.
When the spindle is full of air, its weight when fully immersed in water is - 10 kg.
The -10 kg is 100% removed from the10 kg of the spindle, due to buoyancy in water.
Therefore...
The spindle body itself is 100% buoyant in water.
Good ! Simple math.
The spindle body itself must therefore be less dense than water.
It does not matter if the spindle body weighs 10 kg or 100 kg, if it is less dense than water
it will float in water. The spindle will not sink to the bottom of the tube even when the
spindle is full of water.
You have insisted upon making this into a competition.
That is not my goal here.
Sorry bud. This is not much fun for me.
It is poor form on my part, to have entered into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
Loooool what a circus.
You have just made a convoluted nonsensical mess and basically concluded that steel ship will float even when filled with water.
Bravo, applause. Lol
Nix
A steel ship is not 100% buoyant even though it is full of air.
A ship made from plastic that is less dense than water will still float a little bit,
even when it is full of water. Like a plastic water jug full of water floats.
Obviously anything less dense than water will float in water, but how in the world did you conclude steel is less dense than water lol
Steel is more than 8 times denser than water
No ship with its hull made of steel, can be 100% buoyant in water.
It may float in water, but a part of its hull will be below the water line.
Only a ship, in which the ships hull itself is 100& buoyant, can be 100% buoyant.
The spindle you described was 100% buoyant. It cannot the be made of steel or any thing
else that is more dense than water and still be 100% buoyant in water.
You are talking nonsense as usual. Container made of steel can have any degree of buoyancy, positive or negative simply by increasing or decreasing the size of air chamber it has within itself.
So spindle can be made out of 10kg of steel and contain within itself an air chamber of proper size so that its weight in water is -10kg. These are simple, obvious things.
Show me a container that does not sink some amount below the water line (100% buoyant), when it is full of air, and its hull must be less dense than water.
Of course it sinks some amount below water, it must displace it's own weight. That is totally irrelevant.
Spindle made of 10kg of steel with volume which displaces 20kg of water will have -10kg in water and will rise to the surface with force of 10kg.
Assuming a 100% buoyancy was not a bad guess on my part, given that your
descriptions are worth crap and that you are really bad at this.
Its not my fault that you have to be tricked into giving the device descriptions.
Its like pulling teeth.
By the way, are you totally unaware of the fact that you have lost on every count
during these arguments ?
A quote from perpetual
"Ok, let's say conditions are a 10 meter tall tube half meter wide, obviously fully
filled with water above a water pool wide enough to support such large column of water."
The end of quote
Your description in the quote above is again a poor one. It is lacking in detail and
practically worthless.
At least we now know that, what ?
The spindle is less than 100% buoyant
The spindle is made of steel
The spindle is hollow.
A quote from perpetual
Spindle made of 10kg of steel with volume which displaces 20kg of water will have -10kg in water and will rise to the surface with force of 10kg.
The end of quote
The spindle when sealed and fully submerged displaces 20,000 centimeters ^3
or 0.02 meters ^3 of water (displaces 20kg of water)
The spindle by itself, has a weight out of water of 10 kg
The spindle has a weight when sealed and fully submerged in water of - 10 kg
My descriptions are perfectly detailed and clear, it is due to the fact you are really really bad at this that your guessing is totally wrong, confused and ridiculous.
You claimed a ship made of steel full of water would float lol, you can't deny it it's there. To make it even more absurd you also claim 10kg weighing container cannot have -10kg weight in water lol.
It is not my fault that you can't understand the simple principle of buoyancy, you are only tricking the wrong descriptions out of yourself and pulling your own teeth.
You still ridiculously deny the simple fact that steel container weighing 10kg can be made -10kg buoyant (or any value) by changing the amount of displaced water by changing the size of the air tank in it.
And again you wrote a confused worthless mess and you missed the key part which you could've used against me - and i literally gave you the answer - but since you are really REALLY bad at this, you of course missed it. I literally told you spindle has to displace 20kg of water to have -10kg weight in water. This means once that air is released at the top it displaces more than 10kg of water, almost 20kg. Of course, you missed it.
BTW are YOU aware you lost on every count during these arguments, ever since you claimed that Travis Effect is not overunity, to your idiotic claim that pressure at the bottom of the tube rises with height of the tube, to your claim that force of the partial vacuum at the top of the tube is equal to the force the tube exerts upon the supports (altho only force tube exerts upon the supports is the weight of the tube itself and that has absolutely nothing to do with force of the partial vacuum, partial vacuum being the function of difference in height between bottom and the top and we cannot even talk of vacuum at all below 10 meter height since up to that height tube is completely filled with water - no empty space, no vacuum, we can only talk difference in pressure), to denying that linked perpetual overbalanced wheel from India is real.....
My descriptions are perfectly detailed and of high worth, only things lacking in detail and practically worthless are your confused constructs. You are incapable to understand even the basics.
Unlike you i admit my errors and i have to point them out to you since you are incapable of, you on the other hand can't even see your own errors and when i point them out to you you refuse to admit them like a 5yo.
It took you days just to admit pressure at the bottom does not rise with height of the tube. Everyone saw how you sleazily tried to confuse the issue and dragged it on and on and on before finally admitting you were WRONG. (just like you are wrong for Travis effect etc).
And to remind of another of your pearls you claimed my spindle will not sink even when full of water, quote...
"The spindle will not sink to the bottom of the tube even when the spindle is full of water. "
Which is literally saying a steel ship full of water floats. LOL. I have never and i really mean NEVER read anything dumber than that.
And to make it more absurd and ironic, AT THE SAME TIME you deny that steel tank weighing 10kg can be made buoyant -10kg (or any degree) in water.
So not only you make absolutely dumb statements, you also totally contradict yourself.
Sorry bud. It is great fun for me to watch you wriggle in your confusions and misconceptions, since i have entered into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
Nix
As an example that my ideas get proven as overunity, 3 years ago i proposed this idea
"I had this idea to pulse high inductance coil with short square pulse, so short virtually no current gets through the coil and then collect the backEMF that develops across the coil."
https://overunity.com/7837/magnetic-resonance-devices-based-on-don-smith-concepts/msg551080/#msg551080
At the time i had no idea that exact principle was already proven as overunity in 2017. by Tanju Argun. He is doing various stuff here but main thing i refer to is, quote from video description
"In 1993 Tom Bearden came up with the idea of "Massless Displacement Current". I was inspired by that.
As you might know there is a process called "The Skin Effect" where Electrons, before forming a current, must travel from the center of a conductor to the peripheric rim to travel. The time, the electrons traverse from center to the rim is called the" Relaxation Time". We are talking Microseconds here.
So, what I am simply doing here is, just letting a big Capacitor to sniff the Potential of a 24 volts Battery for only 100 Microseconds. During these 100 microseconds, electrons start to move to outside perimeter of the conductor to start the current. But unfortunate for them time is not enough to form the current. Instead those trapped electrons just attain a "Potential Gradient "across them. So, the capacitor gets the Potential Difference across it with minimum current, which is called the "Massless Displacement Current".
In analogy; the young man "the capacitor", just catches -a glimpse of a passing by super-mini skirted young lady- "the battery".
Capacitor is loaded with minimum power.
Ideal case is to use iron wire or doped conductors and plates to block the electrons from forming a current by increasing the "Relaxation Time".
After 100 microseconds, the Mosfet switch (Blue) opens and disconnects the battery from the capacitor.
Another Mosfet switch (Yellow) closes and connects the loaded capacitor to the load for just 1 millisecond (In our case the load is the Bedini wheels and Coils).
After that millisecond when both Blue and Yellow switches open, this time the Red mosfet switch connects the charger to the battery when nothing else is connected. Red switch connection time is adjustable.
All these timing operations and void loop is controlled by an Arduino Uno micro-computer composed of a simple sketch of time delays."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70_xKJh91eE
Nix