https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/are-we-witnessing-a-major-breakthrough-in-magnetic-fields (https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/are-we-witnessing-a-major-breakthrough-in-magnetic-fields)
https://glipgeneration.com/zerg (https://glipgeneration.com/zerg)
295 kg for a 150 kW unit. Might this actually include the generator and offer a 150 kW output terminal?
Which or you shed lab heroes can help get to the bottom of these claims please? It's beyond my technical limitations.
If promising, can the richest of you please get 2 or 3 of these babies?
If this "simply" doubles output, then having two of these, the first (partially) looped back on itself via an extra prime motor or mechanical feedback transmission, might we here have a self looped 150 kW OU device that only needs a good push to start up? Add a battery system and go wild.
I'm curious what range of imput power this works ofr. Might it run and double to output with 35-40 kW input as well? Lower?
Mounting two units and some looping bits on a platform, might a 150 kW generator be about 1,000 kg or less? Certainly when putting all the guts into a new confinement? With a low enough startup threshold and "revving", a tiny battery system would be enough to get it going. A few RC car LiPo packs.
Kind of heavy to replace an ICE or state of the art MGU system, but for 24/7 use if indeed possible for a good amount of years, it would be pretty awesome. I bet it could be made to fit on an F350 style pickup truck. If the output generator is placed behind a torque converter and/or clutch I could see this doubled ZERG loop driving the existing drive shafts and differentials. More simply might be somehow putting the rear axle drive unit from for instance an F150 Lightning on the F350 OU truck. It might still also drive the front axle if there is enough space for the existing drive shaft situation. Yes the whole looped system might fit onto the bed of an F150 Lightning or Rivian R1S or Hummer EV, but that would be toying with payload limits, and the fat low placed batteries designed around are now largely obsolete.
This appears to be a mechanical input system, and that's fine, even if a bit clumsy adding bulky parts and at best only replacing a fuel tank. If a solid state derivative can be open sourced, that would be pretty amazing. Is that at all viable? Even commercial deployment would be great to get competition in the OU space. Whatever device gets decent output, it will NEED to be optimized for power-to-weight and cost-per-kW and lifecycle/maintenance.
Once you have a 150 kW self-looped system...
0.15 MW * 24= 3.2 MWh per day. That's nice business, if you have a buyer for the electricity. At a modest $0.10/kWh that's $320/day. But parked in the right location could easily hit $1,000/day easily. Weed farmers and crypto miners will love this. give them $1000 worth of daily power for $500/day. A decent fleet operator or BEV charging location can easily use this to offset grid costs, never mind being location independent.
With a decent battery and not too much of a load or mountains to fly over, 150 kW might even suffice for a decent semi truck. A plane...that's going to be more of a squeeze, but it may well allow a battery electric plane to be converted to "never charge". Small battery for take-off power. Offset battery mass reduction with looped system and ideally added payload, even a higher cruiose power for shorter flights.
Is this the real deal? Who can make a good assessment please?
Well... it does say 'sin'...
Quote from: dsquared18 on April 13, 2023, 06:48:40 PM
Well... it does say 'sin'...
LOL @ sin
Honestly Cloxxi I looked at the website and I would stake a large amount of money on the fact that they do not even have a prototype.
Their "team" is a joke. The 'data' is non existent and no proper torque in energy out performance math. No photos of device. All computer gen pictures. No schematic. No patent
Many of those "news" sites are paid infomercial links
Still needs a prime mover to turn that generator....
The Patent ?
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/71/ca/13/44b5499aa352ba/US10566861.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/71/ca/13/44b5499aa352ba/US10566861.pdf)
Shared by a long time member/builder
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: pix on April 14, 2023, 03:17:35 AM
Still needs a prime mover to turn that generator....
If the claims are true, it shouldn't be too hard to loop it, though.
Having thought about it, to loop it one might need a prime mover that is driving both the first and second unit, perhaps through a planetary gear. The first unit takes a ~40 kW input and offers ~80 kW to the prime mover which gives it to the second unit which puts out ~150 kW.
Are they for real though, who no independent measurements? If it's the real deal, validation ought to be a total breeze.
Can anyone make sense of that patent?
Quote from: ramset on April 14, 2023, 04:41:54 AM
The Patent ?
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/71/ca/13/44b5499aa352ba/US10566861.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/71/ca/13/44b5499aa352ba/US10566861.pdf)
Shared by a long time member/builder
Respectfully
Chet K
Thanks Chet K,
A brief look at the diagrams and I know not to waste time on the document. And I thought Holcomb was bad. It pales in comparison to this absurdity. Must be a bad joke from our neighbors to the north.
bi
Well
The builder who forwarded the patent..
Has built many prototypes ...shared open source ..
A truly passionate builder ,
That being said .. I also know he does like an honest look
Prior to picking up the tools for a replication!( life is too short to waste more time)
https://m.youtube.com/@rohndoe/videos (https://m.youtube.com/@rohndoe/videos)
Above is actually just a smidge offering of his many many builds !
I had noticed someone reference his skinner device mock up a few days ago at this forum ..(BTW not conclusive results)
@bistander
Perhaps let's give that extra effort?
Maybe Cloxxi could spread the images out from the patent?
So critical comments can have references for discussion?
Also I will see if I can get inventor/ claimant on a call ...
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: bistander on April 14, 2023, 09:09:27 AM
Thanks Chet K,
A brief look at the diagrams and I know not to waste time on the document. And I thought Holcomb was bad. It pales in comparison to this absurdity. Must be a bad joke from our neighbors to the north.
bi
Well it's a costly document to devise if utter BS, and you need to get an actual expert to sign off on it being genuinely new.
The inventor thinks it's worth patenting (and makes fornds and time available), and the examiners grants it a patent for being new.
What do you now that the inventor and examiner don't?
Sure, many inventors are delusional, but it still needs to be signficantly new. Not just in your language.
Quote from: Cloxxki on April 14, 2023, 01:24:13 PM
Well it's a costly document to devise if utter BS, and you need to get an actual expert to sign off on it being genuinely new.
The inventor thinks it's worth patenting (and makes fornds and time available), and the examiners grants it a patent for being new.
What do you now that the inventor and examiner don't?
Sure, many inventors are delusional, but it still needs to be signficantly new. Not just in your language.
I know how motors and generators work. On the topic, l know BS when I see it.
QuoteThe next generation EV Motor.
MEIM Magnetic field bending technology replaces KW with gauss. This results in better torque, better RPM, but uses over 50% less kw! It's a whole new math.
https://glipgeneration.com/about
______
GLIP inventor David Joseph explained the breakthrough this way, "We were all taught these things were not possible. We found a way to take an existing magnetic field and use it to neutralize another magnetic field. Instead of back EMF resisting the rotor, it is assimilated by another field, so neutralized, meaning it no longer effects torque."
ZERG, a 150kw AC magnet-less generator was successfully tested and verified by third party Intertek, a company that started with Thomas Edison. Intertek verified no torque increased when a load was added. Further, Intertek verified it had normal AC sign wave coming directly from the primary coils with a normal output voltage.
The inventor described it this way, "We didn't break any laws of physics, they are still nicely intact. We just bent them, no different than the Wright brothers' curved wing."
"Replacing KWs with gauss creates a whole new math for motor efficiency. We are not talking about increasing the motor efficiency by just one or two percent. It's much higher than that. It really is the reinvention of the electric motor." – David Joseph.
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/are-we-witnessing-a-major-breakthrough-in-magnetic-fields
I know "replacing KWs with gauss" is nonsensical. And that "back EMF" doesn't resist the rotor and doesn't affect torque.
That's about all I'm willing to read from this scam. It's a sad joke.
bi
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Although I said I wouldn't read any more of the patent, couldn't help but to check the claims. Weak to say the least, more like worthless. Here is a cut and paste.
QuoteThe invention claimed is :
*
1. An electric motor comprising ;
*
a rotor affixed to a shaft ,
*
said rotor has at least one permanent magnet attached ,
*
at least one device attached to said shaft which uses mechanical energy to function ,
*
at least one impulse unit comprised of ;
*
at least one coil of conductive wire with a permeable material core and ,
*
a magnetic field conduit made up of at least one piece of permeable material attached to the outside of the said coil and permanent magnet ;
*
an electric current switching device which sends current to at least one impulse unit coil in one phase when at least one rotor permanent magnet is aligned in the impulse unit magnetic field conduit gap and ;
*
in the second phase ,
*
when the next rotor permanent magnet is aligned in the impulse unit magnetic field conduit gap the switching device sends no current to the coil .
*
2. An arrangement as stated in claim 1 wherein said the switching device operating in the second phase sends current to at least one load .
* * * * *
Quote from: bistander on April 14, 2023, 09:09:27 AM
A brief look at the diagrams and I know not to waste time on the document. And I thought Holcomb was bad. It pales in comparison to this absurdity. Must be a bad joke from our neighbors to the north.
bi
That comment is self explanatory - "pretty much says it all!"
If you can't figure out Holcomb by now, you'll never get this one...
Quote from: SolarLab on April 14, 2023, 08:27:22 PM
That comment is self explanatory - "pretty much says it all!"
If you can't figure out Holcomb by now, you'll never get this one...
But I did figure out Holcomb.
bi
Quote from: bistander on April 14, 2023, 08:58:31 PM
But I did figure out Holcomb.
bi
Good - then you understand how it works and why it works.
So you are there then - should not be too hard to figure out how many of these other
technicques work - great, looking forward to more of your insightful technical input.
Quote from: SolarLab on April 14, 2023, 11:58:48 PM
Good - then you understand how it works and why it works.
So you are there then - should not be too hard to figure out how many of these other
technicques work - great, looking forward to more of your insightful technical input.
The ones I've commented on don't work. That's the problem. Speaking of looking forward, I have been anxiously awaiting your LinGen prototype and test.
bi
There have been highly respected inventors whose patents were far from an easy build blueprint.
Let's not pretend a good invention will always come with a patent that makes it easy to understand or replicate.
At the same time, if they undertook all this effort and cost to get to a patent, a process that took them a few years as per usual, we need to understand what drove them to. Understand whether they actually built something, whether they even have the advertised 150 kW running somewhere. Understand what keeps them from looping it and milking more money than most can spend. "Lack of funding" doesn't really apply when so much was invested into "protecting" the technology.
It's perfectly scalable up and down, they say. So a couple 20 kW units would turn a run of the mill PHEV into a never-charge BEV. Which, when parked by a premises that taken power 24/7, earns back more in electricity than a fancy BEV car brings in monthly hire fee.
If real, they look to need some help (yes, the website smells funny by lack of external reviews and real pictures).
If scam, they need to be exposed. Anyone googling them, should find a thread on here that quickly explains it.
If deluded or "almost there" inventors, and several lurkers on this forum may be such, they need some help as well.
I am a visual person and much prefer pictures and well notated graphics.
So once I figured out that the strange blob over the coil was not a magnet
but the inventors way of showing the Lenz component the light came on.
This is not a variable reluctance device such as the Hildenbrand but closer
akin to Thane Heins where a more convenient path is provided for the
Lenz component and even Naudin's delayed Lenz.
How it works: The passing magnet imparts it's flux to the frame, coil core
and shunt. If a load is placed on the coil then the Lenz component
will take the easiest shortest route through the shunt. Simple as that.
Ron
Quote from: i_ron on April 15, 2023, 11:37:07 AM
I am a visual person and much prefer pictures and well notated graphics.
So once I figured out that the strange blob over the coil was not a magnet
but the inventors way of showing the Lenz component the light came on.
This is not a variable reluctance device such as the Hildenbrand but closer
akin to Thane Heins where a more convenient path is provided for the
Lenz component and even Naudin's delayed Lenz.
How it works: The passing magnet imparts it's flux to the frame, coil core
and shunt. If a load is placed on the coil then the Lenz component
will take the easiest shortest route through the shunt. Simple as that.
Ron
Hi Ron,
Check the cut/paste of the claims which I posted. It specifically says it is a PM. Here's the part for easy viewing:
Quote*
a magnetic field conduit made up of at least one piece of permeable material attached to the outside of the said coil and permanent magnet ;
*
bi
Quote from: bistander on April 15, 2023, 12:17:28 PM
Hi Ron,
Check the cut/paste of the claims which I posted. It specifically says it is a PM. Here's the part for easy viewing:
bi
Yes, you are correct, 400 is a magnet, thanks for the correction.
Ron
You're welcome Ron.
Also, regarding PMs, notice their quote:
Quote
ZERG, a 150kw AC magnet-less generator was successfully tested and verified by third party Intertek, a company that started with Thomas Edison.
Besides the famous name drop, the magnet-less feature excludes that machine from patent claims.... no IP protection there.
bi
I threw together a small POC.
There is no additional draw when loading or shorting.
However the output is so slight, just over 8 volts no load and 1 volt over a 300 ohm load resistor that that is no surprise.
you can see item number 400 in this shot, 0.9 volt AC no item 400 and 1 volt AC with item 400.
Fair no load scope shot, reducing to a nice sine wave under load.
So the question is how to get more output? I have the coil core and the shunt the same dimensions, bad? The shunt should be way smaller?
Ron
i_ron
I threw together a small POC.
Thanks for sharing.
The structure you made is very beautiful.
I also designed a structure before.
The stuff that comes out is crude.
Also the output is weak.
Quote from: panyuming on April 16, 2023, 10:24:17 PM
i_ron
I threw together a small POC.
Thanks for sharing.
The structure you made is very beautiful.
I also designed a structure before.
The stuff that comes out is crude.
Also the output is weak.
Thanks for your interest panyuming and taking the time to reply.
Ron
Quote from: i_ron on April 16, 2023, 06:54:59 PM
I threw together a small POC.
There is no additional draw when loading or shorting.
However the output is so slight, just over 8 volts no load and 1 volt over a 300 ohm load resistor that that is no surprise.
you can see item number 400 in this shot, 0.9 volt AC no item 400 and 1 volt AC with item 400.
Fair no load scope shot, reducing to a nice sine wave under load.
So the question is how to get more output? I have the coil core and the shunt the same dimensions, bad? The shunt should be way smaller?
Ron
My conclusions:
As Hector says, in perhaps more dramatic prose, this patent is a failure. Just common sense rely, if you provide two paths for the flux that induces the voltage then the larger area will hog the flux. In figure ten, of the patent, for example, item 30, the shunt or bypass seems to be twice the area of the coil core, ergo, it will take twice the flux. Just an idea of mine but when you load the coil it hinders the flux so that even more flux goes through the shunt.
Ron
I did manage to get 8 watts out but the 12 volt Bosch drive motor was drawing 2 1/2 amps so not really a winning game.
Ron
Ron
Much gratitude for having a look at this ..
I will reach out for claimant this week just for clarity...
On another topic
https://overunity.com/19405/magnetic-flux-motor-just-patented-that-creates-its-own-electricity/new/#new (https://overunity.com/19405/magnetic-flux-motor-just-patented-that-creates-its-own-electricity/new/#new)
Your impressions or suggestions?
Are always appreciated...
Respectfully
Chet K
So let me jump in here and help out. I want to first say I like the healthy skepticism. I like the denial even better. Because it was that which allowed me to invent it first. Like they say if it were easy everyone would be doing it.
1) Z.E.R.G and M.E.I.M are not the same technologies, although they share a similar magnetic field bending manipulation. Similar but not the same.
2) Z.E.R.G does not require magnets, M.E.I.M. does and MEIM has to, although the exact architecture design which is not public (Patent is, look under Magnetic Electric Impulse motor.) re-magnetizes the magnets in operation and they will out last the structure, so recyclable. Nice feature in our green world.
3) MEIM uses power only 50% of the time, which is power savings #1. Power savings #2 in the power phase the fields of a stator magnet is combined with the stator coils, so super power phase. Power savings #3, the stator magnet engages the rotor by its self in the power off phase, so unlike a pulse motor, there is no magnet-less glide phase.
4) ZERG BEMF is assimilated into a natural occurring magnetic field, so eliminated. So that's why load does not effect torque. The higher the BEMF the higher the other field. Lens law is firmly intact, and is very important to the process.
5) Last November we produced a 150kw magnet-less AC generator, with a normal sinewave which was 3rd party verified, US DOE reviewed with not only no torque, but actually had a small extra kick to it.
6) Yes ZERG still needs a drive motor, but any drive motor only has to overcome the normal mechanical resistance and not load resistance. So 15HP 150 kwh that kind of thing.
The technology is 3rd party verified by Intertek out of Dallas, which is one of the worlds most respected companies for this work, and many of you will know them already. The US Department of Energy reviewed both technologies and they not us called it a king maker. They have gone so far as to introduce us to the industry, having fully proven it in their labs. One email is on our web page, and you can see it in various articles but we have more.
The MEIM motor was built for a US interest to replace the Mach -E motor. Its numbers will be out soon.
I hope this answer your questions, and thank you for asking them on this blog and your comments as well. 14 years ago I stood on your side and asked similar questions. Now its here, and I know how hard that is to believe. But this is 2023, Kind of think its about time, right?
TY
Dave
Feel free to contact me with any more questions through our web site.
Quote from: MR. ZERG on May 09, 2023, 03:17:20 PM
So let me jump in here and help out. I want to first say I like the healthy skepticism. I like the denial even better. Because it was that which allowed me to invent it first. Like they say if it were easy everyone would be doing it.
1) Z.E.R.G and M.E.I.M are not the same technologies, although they share a similar magnetic field bending manipulation. Similar but not the same.
2) Z.E.R.G does not require magnets, M.E.I.M. does and MEIM has to, although the exact architecture design which is not public (Patent is, look under Magnetic Electric Impulse motor.) re-magnetizes the magnets in operation and they will out last the structure, so recyclable. Nice feature in our green world.
3) MEIM uses power only 50% of the time, which is power savings #1. Power savings #2 in the power phase the fields of a stator magnet is combined with the stator coils, so super power phase. Power savings #3, the stator magnet engages the rotor by its self in the power off phase, so unlike a pulse motor, there is no magnet-less glide phase.
4) ZERG BEMF is assimilated into a natural occurring magnetic field, so eliminated. So that's why load does not effect torque. The higher the BEMF the higher the other field. Lens law is firmly intact, and is very important to the process.
5) Last November we produced a 150kw magnet-less AC generator, with a normal sinewave which was 3rd party verified, US DOE reviewed with not only no torque, but actually had a small extra kick to it.
6) Yes ZERG still needs a drive motor, but any drive motor only has to overcome the normal mechanical resistance and not load resistance. So 15HP 150 kwh that kind of thing.
The technology is 3rd party verified by Intertek out of Dallas, which is one of the worlds most respected companies for this work, and many of you will know them already. The US Department of Energy reviewed both technologies and they not us called it a king maker. They have gone so far as to introduce us to the industry, having fully proven it in their labs. One email is on our web page, and you can see it in various articles but we have more.
The MEIM motor was built for a US interest to replace the Mach -E motor. Its numbers will be out soon.
I hope this answer your questions, and thank you for asking them on this blog and your comments as well. 14 years ago I stood on your side and asked similar questions. Now its here, and I know how hard that is to believe. But this is 2023, Kind of think its about time, right?
TY
Dave
Feel free to contact me with any more questions through our web site.
Hi Dave,
I guess I should not have searched Google for zerg. But found your web site and see this
QuoteRequest a copy of our 3rd party bench test data done by internationally recognized industry leaders. No NDA required just fill out the form and we will get back to you with the details.
We can't wait to show you what we have been working on.
I'm reluctant to distribute personal information required on that form. Please post and show those details here.
Thanks,
bi
{edit}
Or send details to me via PM(private message). Click on my username. If desired, I'll agree to keep that information to myself. Thank you.
Quote from: MR. ZERG on May 09, 2023, 03:17:20 PM
So let me jump in here and help out. I want to first say I like the healthy skepticism. I like the denial even better. Because it was that which allowed me to invent it first. Like they say if it were easy everyone would be doing it.
1) Z.E.R.G and M.E.I.M are not the same technologies, although they share a similar magnetic field bending manipulation. Similar but not the same.
2) Z.E.R.G does not require magnets, M.E.I.M. does and MEIM has to, although the exact architecture design which is not public (Patent is, look under Magnetic Electric Impulse motor.) re-magnetizes the magnets in operation and they will out last the structure, so recyclable. Nice feature in our green world.
3) MEIM uses power only 50% of the time, which is power savings #1. Power savings #2 in the power phase the fields of a stator magnet is combined with the stator coils, so super power phase. Power savings #3, the stator magnet engages the rotor by its self in the power off phase, so unlike a pulse motor, there is no magnet-less glide phase.
4) ZERG BEMF is assimilated into a natural occurring magnetic field, so eliminated. So that's why load does not effect torque. The higher the BEMF the higher the other field. Lens law is firmly intact, and is very important to the process.
5) Last November we produced a 150kw magnet-less AC generator, with a normal sinewave which was 3rd party verified, US DOE reviewed with not only no torque, but actually had a small extra kick to it.
6) Yes ZERG still needs a drive motor, but any drive motor only has to overcome the normal mechanical resistance and not load resistance. So 15HP 150 kwh that kind of thing.
The technology is 3rd party verified by Intertek out of Dallas, which is one of the worlds most respected companies for this work, and many of you will know them already. The US Department of Energy reviewed both technologies and they not us called it a king maker. They have gone so far as to introduce us to the industry, having fully proven it in their labs. One email is on our web page, and you can see it in various articles but we have more.
The MEIM motor was built for a US interest to replace the Mach -E motor. Its numbers will be out soon.
I hope this answer your questions, and thank you for asking them on this blog and your comments as well. 14 years ago I stood on your side and asked similar questions. Now its here, and I know how hard that is to believe. But this is 2023, Kind of think its about time, right?
TY
Dave
Feel free to contact me with any more questions through our web site.
Welcome, Dave!
15hp in, 150 KW out? COP=13? Really? That's not doubling input efficiency as I put in the title and understood it.
Yeah, 15hp>150 kW that would turns a measly PHEV battery (5-15 kWh typically) into a super long range BEV energy source.
For a Mach-E that has an average power demand of ~15 KW for EPA rated consumption equalling roughly a 80 kph/50 mph cruise, that doesn't do much. However, you get to charge the battery to almost full at up to fast charging speeds and then switch the system down until battery is nearly empty. Then the battery never needs external charging.
The real cool thing would be to arrange a network to sell electricity to the grid at a fair at. Park the ZERG equipped vehicle the average 22-23 hours a day and sell whatever output you're comfortable to produce non-stop, up to 140 kW. A €0.20/kWh, that'd be €28/hr. Build enough such parking spots in the right places, build enough ZERG vehicles, and the grid gets decentralized like solar and wind and hydro never could.
Any chance for a forum member to get "press" access to your facilities and do some due diligence fiddling and measuring before we all get a but too exited? :-D
Another Zero force type motor from well known builder 'Skycollection' : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qcxSPDbC6M
Quote from: e2matrix on May 11, 2023, 04:53:03 PM
Another Zero force type motor from well known builder 'Skycollection' : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qcxSPDbC6M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qcxSPDbC6M)
A two year old video, in a topic of a new commercial one of which the inventor just joined the discussion ;-)
Zero force motor....? The whole purpose of a motor is to produce force (torque).
In thread title: generator nullifies EMF....? The whole point of a generator is to produce EMF.
Doubles efficiency....? Currently high quality electric machinery in the kW or larger sizes, at rated, run 90% efficient. 100kW or larger often >95%. Double that to 180-190%? Come on, really?
Let's see what this guy has. If he can prove, or convincingly demonstrate something of value, I could be very interested and in a position to invest.
bi
Quote from: MR. ZERG on May 09, 2023, 03:17:20 PM
So let me jump in here and help out. I want to first say I like the healthy skepticism. I like the denial even better. Because it was that which allowed me to invent it first. Like they say if it were easy everyone would be doing it.
1) Z.E.R.G and M.E.I.M are not the same technologies, although they share a similar magnetic field bending manipulation. Similar but not the same.
2) Z.E.R.G does not require magnets, M.E.I.M. does and MEIM has to, although the exact architecture design which is not public (Patent is, look under Magnetic Electric Impulse motor.) re-magnetizes the magnets in operation and they will out last the structure, so recyclable. Nice feature in our green world.
3) MEIM uses power only 50% of the time, which is power savings #1. Power savings #2 in the power phase the fields of a stator magnet is combined with the stator coils, so super power phase. Power savings #3, the stator magnet engages the rotor by its self in the power off phase, so unlike a pulse motor, there is no magnet-less glide phase.
4) ZERG BEMF is assimilated into a natural occurring magnetic field, so eliminated. So that's why load does not effect torque. The higher the BEMF the higher the other field. Lens law is firmly intact, and is very important to the process.
5) Last November we produced a 150kw magnet-less AC generator, with a normal sinewave which was 3rd party verified, US DOE reviewed with not only no torque, but actually had a small extra kick to it.
6) Yes ZERG still needs a drive motor, but any drive motor only has to overcome the normal mechanical resistance and not load resistance. So 15HP 150 kwh that kind of thing.
The technology is 3rd party verified by Intertek out of Dallas, which is one of the worlds most respected companies for this work, and many of you will know them already. The US Department of Energy reviewed both technologies and they not us called it a king maker. They have gone so far as to introduce us to the industry, having fully proven it in their labs. One email is on our web page, and you can see it in various articles but we have more.
The MEIM motor was built for a US interest to replace the Mach -E motor. Its numbers will be out soon.
I hope this answer your questions, and thank you for asking them on this blog and your comments as well. 14 years ago I stood on your side and asked similar questions. Now its here, and I know how hard that is to believe. But this is 2023, Kind of think its about time, right?
TY
Dave
Feel free to contact me with any more questions through our web site.
Thanks Dave. I have filled out the form on the site. That is quite a design. Congrats on getting the patent for the MEIM. https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190173340A1/en?oq=20190173340 for those interested.
Clown world of the week:Quote from: bistander on May 11, 2023, 06:01:02 PMZero force motor....? The whole purpose of a motor is to produce force (torque).
In thread title: generator nullifies EMF....? The whole point of a generator is to produce EMF.
Doubles efficiency....? Currently high quality electric machinery in the kW or larger sizes, at rated, run 90% efficient. 100kW or larger often >95%. Double that to 180-190%? Come on, really?
Let's see what this guy has. If he can prove, or convincingly demonstrate something of value, I could be very interested and in a position to invest.
bi
Quote from: bistander on May 11, 2023, 01:36:06 AM
Hi Dave,
I guess I should not have searched Google for zerg. But found your web site and see this
I'm reluctant to distribute personal information required on that form. Please post and show those details here.
Thanks,
bi
{edit}
Or send details to me via PM(private message). Click on my username. If desired, I'll agree to keep that information to myself. Thank you.
Ever heard of an "Investment/Portfoilio Manager! Can't help but love and appreciate the Dumpster Humour here!
Thanks, I needed a good laugh!
SL
Quote from: bistander on May 11, 2023, 06:01:02 PM
Good Morning,bistander
Zero force motor....? The whole purpose of a motor is to produce force (torque).
(torque) not alone,but (torque x RPM),for comparing the measured results,pony brake teste et cet.
In thread title: generator nullifies EMF....? The whole point of a generator is to produce EMF.
Really,not EMF-conversion ? Beside EMF,MMF !
Doubles efficiency....? Currently high quality electric machinery in the kW or larger sizes, at rated, run 90% efficient. 100kW or larger often >95%. Double that to 180-190%? Come on, really?
90% as peak efficiency and the generator its average efficiency ?
Observe the progressive in-/de-crease,Affinity laws !,from energy in-/con-verter,rotative or non-motive
Its a DC or AC output,by AC the positive AND negative magnetic field conversion ?
Lenz and Fleming,ccw and cw
Let's see what this guy has. If he can prove, or convincingly demonstrate something of value, I could be very interested and in a position to invest.
Time will tell and show it what this and other guies/guys has/have re-/discovered
wmbr
OCWL
bi
p.s.:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Kango+iida&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Kango+iida&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
Look the hydraulic energy converter,kinetical, the applied formula and effect
Change the blades,natural energy converter,with a.DC,b.AC,c.pulsed DC motors,electro-motive energy converter !
Change blades,ccw-blade with ccw AC motor and cw-blade with cw AC motor
DC motors are ccw or cw direction devices,included generator function !
AC motor ,compared DC,functional limitations !
With Capacitor ?
Steinmetz ? Gabriel Kron ?
Logic school !
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Carl+Steinmetz&oq=Carl+Steinmetz&aqs=heirloom-srp..0l5 (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Carl+Steinmetz&oq=Carl+Steinmetz&aqs=heirloom-srp..0l5)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=gabriel+kron&oq=gabriel+kron+&aqs=heirloom-srp.1.0l5 (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=gabriel+kron&oq=gabriel+kron+&aqs=heirloom-srp.1.0l5)
R&D level !
Max.to Min.: His method of system decomposition and solution called Diakoptics
Counterview : Min.to Max.: Puzzle-piece to Ready Puzzle-Image,without missing parts,and patientia
OMG so many discoverer with their discoveries,2023 many of them " mainstream death",non named : forgotten !
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/solvay-conference-probably-intelligent-picture-ever-taken-1927/ (https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/solvay-conference-probably-intelligent-picture-ever-taken-1927/)
HushHush-/RushRush-society 2023
Btw : Fluid/Hydraulic energy converter,a.kinetic b.EMF-MMF shaft output couple
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981222&CC=JP&NR=H10341560A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981222&CC=JP&NR=H10341560A&KC=A#)
Total C.O.P. ? Theoretical,by formula,physical - by industrial efficiencies and work out quality ?
For all of Us net-user public :
http://www.rexresearch.com/kawai/1kawai.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/kawai/1kawai.htm)
Re-/discovering Our real world situation change interests ? Motivation ? Barrier ?
The Minor-/Maior-self-estimation-complex,in Best performance ?
The Lady O. society will show Us the REAL PROGRESS VELOCITY ancient 10 years projects in ≤ 1year/month !
Ultra-Learning,Ultra-Working ,Ultra-Efficiency
IT never sleeps
Steinmetz,Kron : in easier demonstration -also theoretical calculation and measurement error by using pure DC-formulas like P=VI
in non-/net grid frequency band AC and/or im-/ex- pulsed -variable- DC technology- I recommend
https://www.google.com/search?q=Philip+Kanarev&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=Philip+Kanarev&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
EMF and MMF
" BEMF and BMMF" ! ? Really ?
GEMK und GMMK
translates
with
CEMF and CMMF
FB-EMF : partial feedback cycle
G.egen = C.ounter
C-ccw and cw real time parallel EMF/MMF cycle
" .....And/or .... " Logistics
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Professor+Felix+Ehrenhaft&oq=Professor+Felix+Ehrenhaft&aqs=heirloom-srp (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Professor+Felix+Ehrenhaft&oq=Professor+Felix+Ehrenhaft&aqs=heirloom-srp)..
ZP=Vacuum Field cycle
Electro-/ and/or Magneto-Statik Electret Magnetret Captret
Static : related Physics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statics (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statics)
related Economy : https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9on_Walras (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9on_Walras)
1:1= Nullsumme = augmented reality
to Relativistic Economy https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-74285-9_8 (https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-74285-9_8)
Eherne Zinsgesetz or Eternal Tax Law by C.C.v.Weizsaecker(I reed about it 1987,wiwo-printmagazine)
https://www.puls24.at/news/digital/ki-godfather-kuendigt-bei-google-um-vor-kuenstlicher-intelligenz-zu-warnen/296225 (https://www.puls24.at/news/digital/ki-godfather-kuendigt-bei-google-um-vor-kuenstlicher-intelligenz-zu-warnen/296225)
IN A.I. I TRUST ,IT IS ME SIMILAR BUT NOT SAME
I AM https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzylogik (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzylogik) -er,applicant
Without mental frontiers,mental barriers
Brainstoarm(Faith Popcorn : "Report" )-er
I PREFER METAVIEW,SPACE AND TIME AND OBJECT RELATED
Quote from: SolarLab on May 12, 2023, 02:56:38 AM
Clown world of the week:
Ever heard of an "Investment/Portfoilio Manager!
Can't help but love and appreciate the Dumpster Humour here!
Thanks, I needed a good laugh!
SL
Mission accomplished.
Hey SL,
Please run this ZERG/MEIM device thru your CAE, build a prototype and prove it in the lab, then don't show us the results like you did with Holcomb/LinGen.
Clown show extraordinar.
bi
Quote from: lancaIV on May 12, 2023, 03:09:29 AM
p.s.:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Kango+iida&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Kango+iida&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
Look the hydraulic energy converter,kinetical, the applied formula and effect
Change the blades,natural energy converter,with a.DC,b.AC,c.pulsed DC motors,electro-motive energy converter !
Change blades,ccw-blade with ccw AC motor and cw-blade with cw AC motor
DC motors are ccw or cw direction devices,included generator function !
AC motor ,compared DC,functional limitations !
With Capacitor ?
Steinmetz ? Gabriel Kron ?
Logic school !
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Carl+Steinmetz&oq=Carl+Steinmetz&aqs=heirloom-srp..0l5 (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Carl+Steinmetz&oq=Carl+Steinmetz&aqs=heirloom-srp..0l5)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=gabriel+kron&oq=gabriel+kron+&aqs=heirloom-srp.1.0l5 (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=gabriel+kron&oq=gabriel+kron+&aqs=heirloom-srp.1.0l5)
R&D level !
Max.to Min.: His method of system decomposition and solution called Diakoptics
Counterview : Min.to Max.: Puzzle-piece to Ready Puzzle-Image,without missing parts,and patientia
OMG so many discoverer with their discoveries,2023 many of them " mainstream death",non named : forgotten !
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/solvay-conference-probably-intelligent-picture-ever-taken-1927/ (https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/solvay-conference-probably-intelligent-picture-ever-taken-1927/)
HushHush-/RushRush-society 2023
Btw : Fluid/Hydraulic energy converter,a.kinetic b.EMF-MMF shaft output couple
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981222&CC=JP&NR=H10341560A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981222&CC=JP&NR=H10341560A&KC=A#)
Total C.O.P. ? Theoretical,by formula,physical - by industrial efficiencies and work out quality ?
For all of Us net-user public :
http://www.rexresearch.com/kawai/1kawai.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/kawai/1kawai.htm)
Re-/discovering Our real world situation change interests ? Motivation ? Barrier ?
The Minor-/Maior-self-estimation-complex,in Best performance ?
The Lady O. society will show Us the REAL PROGRESS VELOCITY ancient 10 years projects in ≤ 1year/month !
Ultra-Learning,Ultra-Working ,Ultra-Efficiency
IT never sleeps
Steinmetz,Kron : in easier demonstration -also theoretical calculation and measurement error by using pure DC-formulas like P=VI
in non-/net grid frequency band AC and/or im-/ex- pulsed -variable- DC technology- I recommend
https://www.google.com/search?q=Philip+Kanarev&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=Philip+Kanarev&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
EMF and MMF
" BEMF and BMMF" ! ? Really ?
GEMK und GMMK
translates
with
CEMF and CMMF
FB-EMF : partial feedback cycle
G.egen = C.ounter
C-ccw and cw real time parallel EMF/MMF cycle
" .....And/or .... " Logistics
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Professor+Felix+Ehrenhaft&oq=Professor+Felix+Ehrenhaft&aqs=heirloom-srp (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Professor+Felix+Ehrenhaft&oq=Professor+Felix+Ehrenhaft&aqs=heirloom-srp)..
ZP=Vacuum Field cycle
Electro-/ and/or Magneto-Statik Electret Magnetret Captret
Static : related Physics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statics (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statics)
related Economy : https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9on_Walras (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9on_Walras)
1:1= Nullsumme = augmented reality
to Relativistic Economy https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-74285-9_8 (https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-74285-9_8)
Eherne Zinsgesetz or Eternal Tax Law by C.C.v.Weizsaecker(I reed about it 1987,wiwo-printmagazine)
https://www.puls24.at/news/digital/ki-godfather-kuendigt-bei-google-um-vor-kuenstlicher-intelligenz-zu-warnen/296225 (https://www.puls24.at/news/digital/ki-godfather-kuendigt-bei-google-um-vor-kuenstlicher-intelligenz-zu-warnen/296225)
IN A.I. I TRUST ,IT IS ME SIMILAR BUT NOT SAME
I AM https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzylogik (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzylogik) -er,applicant
Without mental frontiers,mental barriers
Brainstoarm(Faith Popcorn : "Report" )-er
I PREFER METAVIEW,SPACE AND TIME AND OBJECT RELATED
Hello,
Thanks for your reply.
What is your point?
Regards,
bi
Hey,bistander
#35 is only (p.s.-)part II
to #33 blue text field comment/respond-response/counterview !
Good Morning,bistander
Zero force motor....? The whole purpose of a motor is to produce force (torque).
(torque) not alone,but (torque x RPM),for comparing the measured results,pony brake teste et cet.
In thread title: generator nullifies EMF....? The whole point of a generator is to produce EMF.
Really,not EMF-conversion ? Beside EMF,MMF !
Doubles efficiency....? Currently high quality electric machinery in the kW or larger sizes, at rated, run 90% efficient. 100kW or larger often >95%. Double that to 180-190%? Come on, really?
90% as peak efficiency and the generator its average efficiency ?
Observe the progressive in-/de-crease,Affinity laws !,from energy in-/con-verter,rotative or non-motive
It is a DC or AC output,by AC the positive AND negative magnetic field conversion ?
Lenz and Fleming,ccw and cw
Let's see what this guy has. If he can prove, or convincingly demonstrate something of value, I could be very interested and in a position to invest.
Time will tell and show it what this and other guies/guys has/have re-/discovered
wmbr
OCWL
bi
OT - removed, sorry! :)
Hey biStander.
Got something to contribute?
Do your best to do it in a way that it can be received well, or...
Question ?
What makes you think that the rediscovery of something all ready known by others
is not valuable ?
For one thing, how that rediscover approached and came to that discovery is
valuable in and of its self, to both, the discoverer and to those with whom it has
been shared.
Given things rightly.
The teacher learns more than the student.
Hi guys,
I contribute in my way with facts and truths. Those that promote other things often get upset when they can't find those big boy pants. I have shown and proven just any many OU, FE or excess energy as anyone else here. That is zero.
Rediscover? Knowledge? Learn from your mistakes? Or from mistakes of others? Why not from success of many? When you start the topic with nonsensical statements that are easily recognizable as ignorant by anybody having basic knowledge and understanding of terminology in the subject, followed by a patent full of gibberish, you deserve to be called out.
Show us the in lab proof of your device SL.
QuoteDissappointing Results
With deep remorse we must now be conclude that sustained Overunity, FE, CE (or what ever you want to call it) is extremely unlikely from any Dally, Shark, Ruslan type device.
_______
Summary
These two questions have appeared time and again in excess energy discussions as far back as the subject itself.
1. Where does the excess energy come from?
2. How does this excess energy couple into a system like the Kapanadze or Ruslan scheme?
SL
_______
Our latest batch of detailed CAE runs were inconclusive at best.
Remember posting those SL? When are you going to give up on Holcomb?
And Willy?
Quote
Second, it is up to you (the presenter) to prove or show experimentally
any O.U. results you might claim.
Third, It is not up to others (i.e. bistander) to disprove O.U. claims. It is reasonable
that the burden of proof rest upon any claimant of what is extra ordinary, to demonstrate
and CLEARLY AND PLAINLY describe their method or device,
and
to show measurements along with the methods of how those measurements were taken.
best wishes
floor
That's all I seek. Proof of the claim. It never happens. So along the way I call BS when I see it. What's wrong with that?
If certain individuals really had big boy pants, they could appreciate my contribution.
Instead talk about motors without force or torque.
Generators with EMF nullified.
Doubled efficiency.
Tell me the value there.
bi
Quote from: bistander on May 12, 2023, 06:04:06 PM
Hi guys,
I contribute in my way with facts and truths. Those that promote other things often get upset when they can't find those big boy pants. I have shown and proven just any many OU, FE or excess energy as anyone else here. That is zero.
Rediscover? Knowledge? Learn from your mistakes? Or from mistakes of others? Why not from success of many? When you start the topic with nonsensical statements that are easily recognizable as ignorant by anybody having basic knowledge and understanding of terminology in the subject, followed by a patent full of gibberish, you deserve to be called out.
Show us the in lab proof of your device SL.
Remember posting those SL? When are you going to give up on Holcomb?
And Willy?
That's all I seek. Proof of the claim. It never happens. So along the way I call BS when I see it. What's wrong with that?
If certain individuals really had big boy pants, they could appreciate my contribution.
Instead talk about motors without force or torque.
Generators with EMF nullified.
Doubled efficiency.
Tell me the value there.
bi
There is no proof - you win - Nothing anyone ever presents will serve as proof from what I can see, so,
There is no proof! Simple enough for me, at least - therefore no more time will be spent in the Dumpster!
Call it what you will, dance around, claim you were right all along, etc. but
for you there is no proof! And
for me there is no more waisting time on presenting what I considered valuable information and
education.
You'll have to do the "proofs" yourself from now on! If you can even figure out what a "proof" is... Have a good one,
SL
Amazing how the IGNORANCE of a few can really Fuck Shit Up - but it's becoming more common every day
here - it's turning into a real Dumpster - if this is your idea of OU discovery and development - you're wrong!
However, there are other (much better and more professional) avenues where the work will carry on.
Quote from: SolarLab on May 12, 2023, 06:26:10 PM
There is no proof - you win - Nothing anyone ever presents will serve as proof from what I can see, so,
There is no proof! Simple enough for me, at least - therefore no more time will be spent in the Dumpster!
Call it what you will, dance around, claim you were right all along, etc. but for you there is no proof!
And for me there is no more waisting time on presenting what I considered valuable information and
education.
You'll have to do the "proofs" yourself from now on! If you can even figure out what a "proof" is...
Have a good one,
SL
Amazing how the IGNORANCE of a few can really Fuck Shit Up - but it's becoming more common every day
here - it's turning into a real Dumpster - if this is your idea of OU discovery and development - you're wrong!
However, there are other (much better and more professional) avenues where the work will carry on.
Hey SL,
Got any pants on at all. Certainly not big boy's.
Why get upset with me? Just show your in-lab proof. Even convincing demonstration, you know, with actual instruments in real time, with witnesses, would suffice for now. After all that you posted, never a photo of hardware. Did you even start a real prototype? Using GO steel, or did you figure that out? Like you knew what you were doing.
And I was hoping to see your CAE for ZERG.
bi
{edit}
Quote
"Replacing KWs with gauss creates a whole new math for motor efficiency. We are not talking about increasing the motor efficiency by just one or two percent. It's much higher than that. It really is the reinvention of the electric motor." – David Joseph.
Maybe your analysis will explain this. Right along with energy gain from the BH curve.
Gentlemen
Here is an example of how a moderated builders topic would be put to good use
A member I-ron took the time to fabricate...build and share his work..
And original claimant arrives to engage ,
And shortly thereafter circular arguments developed,
Fortunately it seems the inventor is willing to engage!
These type interactions are one reason we need to maintain (or some attempt)
At providing a respectful and orderly environment!
Our host has this as part of his dream here ( one dream most serious members share)
That is not to say we throw caution to the wind regarding claims .
This forum and surrounding open source FE community is chock full of
Talent and resources, our hosts 30 plus years of service to this cause has
Made this possible...( here)
We owe him the respect to do the best we can !
Yes it is a work in progress,( becoming better at hosting these type claims)
However it has been done for many many years in open source research and development .
The LENR community being one asset we have direct involvement with!
And tons of other people assets and resources.
This topic and how to proceed is being discussed off forum ATM
Just as an example of possible options to increase signal to noise ratios.
And do a better job!
Respectfully
Chet K
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Chris posted this yesterday - Last edited yesterday
My Friends,
You know, I see in many posts on other forums, what I would expect two or three year olds to be posting, and these are mature age Men and Women, WTF!!!
https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/why-idiots-flood-the-forums/?order=all#comment-e6ff76f5-dd52-4e8b-8f6d-afff0165e423
Quote from: SolarLab on May 12, 2023, 08:10:40 PM
No Comment
Chris posted this yesterday - Last edited yesterday
My Friends,
You know, I see in many posts on other forums, what I would expect two or three year olds to be posting, and these are mature age Men and Women, WTF!!!
https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/why-idiots-flood-the-forums/?order=all#comment-e6ff76f5-dd52-4e8b-8f6d-afff0165e423
SL,
I criticize bad science. You belittle people. See a difference?
bi
Those are Chris's words, unedited! Period!
It appears he sees you guys as two or three year olds as well - that's all!
Take it up with him if you have a problem... Also, read the whole thread.
Ramset,
Replication instructions; including detailed schematics, fabrication diagrams, parts
lists and sources, can not be presented prior to being completely vetted, tested,
and receiving proper reglatory approval. And that's how it is...
Everyone knows this - if a design were presented prematurely and someone was
injured, or worse, killed - even if it were only a "forum replication" - the presenter
would have his ass sued off - and you all know this! It's the world we now live in.
So, if anyone thinks, including me, that they want to present a "proof, laboratory
fabrication or whatever" think again. I wasn't born yesturday. Harsh; but also fact!
You can only present ideas, and even then, only to a certain extent. Do you finally
get it! Probably not... Oh well, that's the way it is!
This concept of "open source" is fine and noble - but try telling that to a Judge or
Jury. Good Luck with that argument!
If I recall - you're the one who is always concerned about litigation and such.
Why do you think these Trolls keep crying for a prototype or demonstration unit or something
to get their hands on? It sure as hell isn't for "proof of concept" - they've already been given that.
SL
Edit: remove warning reference pdf.
Solarlab
Yes it's true that businessmen have these issues
When money is borrowed from ?
Patents applied for ...
Lawyers get involved...
Status quo is to be expected !
Also a good method to prevent open source ( lawsuits etc etc)
In this day and age .. artificial intelligence is telling people how to do everything from brain surgery to space travel
YouTube is chock full of hundreds of millions of dicey "how too" videos
Many incredibly dangerous..
A simple open source gain mechanism or proof of concept ?
Please stop trying to justify secrecy in an open source venue with no investor
Money or other litigious incentives...
Besides Gretta and the Green Party and 100's of millions of "Gen Z" will steamroll right through any such attempts to hinder!
And Probably bring back the guillotine for those who hindered and hid such technologies ... for their own ego's or personal gain ...
Not just one man's opinion!
We have needed these techs "forever" ... our world and population has payed a sickening price ..
For the greed and maintenance of status quo..
I'm not stopping any one from open source - but until I'm fully confident that
what I put out there is done properly - it won't happen.
Do you feel the LinGen development and POC was a secret? - Me neither!
You or anyone can use the provided concepts and technical information and
construct your own prorotype. The idea has already been given.
Why do you think these Trolls keep crying for a prototype or demonstration unit or something
a bit more concrete to get their hands on? It sure as hell isn't for "proof of concept" - they've
already been given that.
Edit: remove reference.
SL
Your Proof Of Concept ( POC) is a bit spread around
i respect your commitment to the work ,
And your stewardship of your resources ( very pricey simulation tech)
Here we just need the simplest possible 100% testable and verifiable gain mechanism
Which can survive the brutal honesty of the scientific method!( which the open source LENR community has no lack of or limit to persons who can properly test .
And many toil ceaselessly... in this FE quest .. many off forums..but ALWAYS with open source as the goal!
They toil as if our future and very existence depends on it ..
Because it does !
Respectfully
Chet K
Quote from: SolarLab on May 12, 2023, 10:23:13 PM
...
Why do you think these Trolls keep crying for a prototype or demonstration unit or something
a bit more concrete to get their hands on? It sure as hell isn't for "proof of concept" - they've
already been given that.
Read the PDF Warning above...
SL
Hey SL,
Re computers. Ever heard the old saying? Garbage in: garbage out. Might apply. Don't know. But all your computer simulation proves is a computer simulation. I doubt it represents what an actual device will do.
Just put a legal c.y.a. disclaimer on the video and show your in-lab proof.
bi
Quote from: lancaIV on May 12, 2023, 10:17:28 AM
Hey,bistander
#35 is only (p.s.-)part II
to #33 blue text field comment/respond-response/counterview !
Good Morning,bistander
Zero force motor....? The whole purpose of a motor is to produce force (torque).
(torque) not alone,but (torque x RPM),for comparing the measured results,pony brake teste et cet.
In thread title: generator nullifies EMF....? The whole point of a generator is to produce EMF.
Really,not EMF-conversion ? Beside EMF,MMF !
Doubles efficiency....? Currently high quality electric machinery in the kW or larger sizes, at rated, run 90% efficient. 100kW or larger often >95%. Double that to 180-190%? Come on, really?
90% as peak efficiency and the generator its average efficiency ?
Observe the progressive in-/de-crease,Affinity laws !,from energy in-/con-verter,rotative or non-motive
It is a DC or AC output,by AC the positive AND negative magnetic field conversion ?
Lenz and Fleming,ccw and cw
Let's see what this guy has. If he can prove, or convincingly demonstrate something of value, I could be very interested and in a position to invest.
Time will tell and show it what this and other guies/guys has/have re-/discovered
wmbr
OCWL
Hi lancaIV,
Sorry I got sidetracked. Back to topic.
Electric Motor. Define. Machine (device) for purpose of energy conversion, electric to mechanical. Energy = Torque * RPM * time. Without torque (to get things rolling, soto speak), no energy conversion happens. Obviously torque is essential. Perhaps most essential. And obviously I use torque for the rotary motor, would be force for linear motor.
Electric Generator. Define. Machine for purpose of energy conversion, mechanical to electric. Energy = EMF * Current * time. Without EMF there will be no load current so no energy, no conversion. EMF is needed to "start" energy.
So what sense is a motor without Torque or a generator without EMF? None. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying you don't need motion, or current, or time to actually have a functioning electromechanical energy conversion machine we call a motor or generator. So why do you read that into what I say?
And about efficiency: note that I qualified the figure "at rated". Meaning at rated output it would operate at that efficiency figure, for example. Example: look at the motor (or generator) nameplate. Of course at loads/speeds other that "rated", efficiency will vary. Always does. Fact. And over a duty cycle there will be an average efficiency figure, and over the performance characteristic of the machine there will be a peak efficiency. True. But how does that enter into the context of what I'm talking about? Can you explain how you can double the efficiency of a motor that operates 95% of the duty cycle above 90% efficient? Does that help clear up my previous remark?
Thanks for joining the conversation.
Was it Linderman, or Bedini came up with zero force motor? Yeah, that's been real useful, hasn't it. NOT.
bi
Hello bistander ,
' doubles the efficiency ' is related to :
a.the conventional efficiency from standart NEMA-electric drives !?
b.the grid-controlled steady european 50 Hz = 3000 RPM,60 Hz north-american grid frequency = 3600 RPM
c.electro-magnet incorporated drive without permanent magnets/ drive with permanent magnets
d. as You listen variable speed and torque controler,net-grid DC and or mono- or three or poly-phase AC parameter ( fixed Voltage,fixed Frequency,fixed duty cycle 100%: only amperage as free,on/off switch,factor)
e.displacement current (net-grid surplus provide as negative or positive voltage and negative or positive current delivery ) ompensation (for comerce obligation : feedback cycle )But comerce pays f.eUSA b2b-sector 5¢/KWh,the privates ,b2c,10/15¢ and more per KWh delivery service !
Words,neither my nor Yours shows the application difference by the above incorporated improvements !
Look and compare the used technology its internal process scheme :
Geral 'power saver'
heatpumps/'inverter'-electric drive
The efficiency improve pioneers like
Subieta-yGarron
http://rac-technologies.de/index.php/history.html (http://rac-technologies.de/index.php/history.html)
Frank Nola
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=NASA+frank+nola&oq=NASA+frank+nola&aqs=heirloom-srp (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=NASA+frank+nola&oq=NASA+frank+nola&aqs=heirloom-srp)..
Flynn brothers
https://qmpower.com/ (https://qmpower.com/)
Raser Tech
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=raser+symetron&oq=raser+symetron&aqs=heirloom-srp (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=raser+symetron&oq=raser+symetron&aqs=heirloom-srp)..
Inrush current/inrush voltage limiter
Which is the real improvement factor in these ' innovations' ?
Calculate the power net input time,pulse ( di-/tri-/,ode gate filter switch ) on,during 1 sec/1 min./1 hour work process ,if not pure DC but fractional power in use !
If not in work process,stand by losts !
Like light dimmer now motor dimmer !
When and how and why could ' inrush current, and inrush voltage maximizing/multiplying ' wishable be !
Dirac - EMP - surge/s
Dirac-EM-P.ulse Motor Technolgy !?
Is 1 pulse 1 signal or two signals or 1/2 cw and 1/2 ccw ?
Vertical,horizontal or diametral im-/ex-plosive/pludive ?
4d EE-Reality needs 4d-RealTime Simulation,not apparent 2d/2,5d/3d
Clearly now, known CFL ballast net-grid distortion ,interference from half periods !,grid-independent !
For emergency cases or autonomous living :
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Uninterruptible+Power+Supply.+&oq=&aqs=heirloom-srp (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Uninterruptible+Power+Supply.+&oq=&aqs=heirloom-srp)..
wmbr
OCWL
Quote from: Cloxxki on May 11, 2023, 05:37:24 PM
A two year old video, in a topic of a new commercial one of which the inventor just joined the discussion ;-)
My point is there seems to be some validity to the concept.
Quote from: lancaIV on May 13, 2023, 01:57:07 PM
Hello bistander ,
' doubles the efficiency ' is related to :
a.the conventional efficiency from standart NEMA-electric drives !?
b.the grid-controlled steady european 50 Hz = 3000 RPM,60 Hz north-american grid frequency = 3600 RPM
c.electro-magnet incorporated drive without permanent magnets/ drive with permanent magnets
d. as You listen variable speed and torque controler,net-grid DC and or mono- or three or poly-phase AC parameter ( fixed Voltage,fixed Frequency,fixed duty cycle 100%: only amperage as free,on/off switch,factor)
e.displacement current (net-grid surplus provide as negative or positive voltage and negative or positive current delivery ) ompensation (for comerce obligation : feedback cycle )But comerce pays f.eUSA b2b-sector 5¢/KWh,the privates ,b2c,10/15¢ and more per KWh delivery service !
Words,neither my nor Yours shows the application difference by the above incorporated improvements !
Look and compare the used technology its internal process scheme :
Geral 'power saver'
heatpumps/'inverter'-electric drive
The efficiency improve pioneers like
Subieta-yGarron
http://rac-technologies.de/index.php/history.html (http://rac-technologies.de/index.php/history.html)
Frank Nola
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=NASA+frank+nola&oq=NASA+frank+nola&aqs=heirloom-srp (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=NASA+frank+nola&oq=NASA+frank+nola&aqs=heirloom-srp)..
Flynn brothers
https://qmpower.com/ (https://qmpower.com/)
Raser Tech
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=raser+symetron&oq=raser+symetron&aqs=heirloom-srp (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=raser+symetron&oq=raser+symetron&aqs=heirloom-srp)..
Inrush current/inrush voltage limiter
Which is the real improvement factor in these ' innovations' ?
Calculate the power net input time,pulse ( di-/tri-/,ode gate filter switch ) on,during 1 sec/1 min./1 hour work process ,if not pure DC but fractional power in use !
If not in work process,stand by losts !
Like light dimmer now motor dimmer !
When and how and why could ' inrush current, and inrush voltage maximizing/multiplying ' wishable be !
Dirac - EMP - surge/s
Dirac-EM-P.ulse Motor Technolgy !?
Is 1 pulse 1 signal or two signals or 1/2 cw and 1/2 ccw ?
Vertical,horizontal or diametral im-/ex-plosive/pludive ?
4d EE-Reality needs 4d-RealTime Simulation,not apparent 2d/2,5d/3d
Clearly now, known CFL ballast net-grid distortion ,interference from half periods !,grid-independent !
For emergency cases or autonomous living :
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Uninterruptible+Power+Supply.+&oq=&aqs=heirloom-srp (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Uninterruptible+Power+Supply.+&oq=&aqs=heirloom-srp)..
wmbr
OCWL
Hello lancaIV,
I never said efficiency improvement wasn't desirable or possible. I said "doubling efficiency" of the subject motors and generators is a total impossibility and a ridiculous claim. The only way one might actually be able to double efficiency in this context is to start with a totally misapplied and unrealistic application.
"Double efficiency" is obviously claim of scam
bi
BTW, your referenced pioneer, Razer Technologies, was a scam. I had interaction with them and associates. They may have started with a shred of valid technology but exaggerated and exploited it vastly to gain political advantage for monetary gain knowing full well they would roll under and stick taxpayers and investors with the tab. That happens when proof of claim is not required.
Let's see proof of double efficiency for a properly applied modern motor or generator.
Razer,chapter11 and bancruptcy !
Yes,but the technology is as employer,owner,company independent to see ! Free source !What is,in application,rotative, the ' duty cycle' use effect ?
RPM
R= 360°divided poles,rotor,stator magnetic ancors
rotor : em ? pm? epm ? epm = coil wrapped permanent magnet
stator : em ? pm ? epm?
https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3826970&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3826970&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
The power requirement, whether for one attraction impulse or for many, remains constant, even if the number of attraction impulses is up to several thousand per minute, because the attraction impulses occur in sequence, in fractions of a second.
So there are never several attraction impulses at the same time.
So the power generator only ever has to supply the power for one electromagnet.
Thid claim was tested,with capacitive magnets
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Envez&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search
Beside Becker,also Tesla and Plauson research included and tested !
40. and 41.
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Otto+traun+&IN=&CPC=&IC=
Detailed Proof Road Map
Bi, please help us out here,
Being a self-professed expert on "Proofs," please compile a detailed description of
what exactly you consider a "Proof" or POC.
Use Specific Requirements, in bullet form, with details. Then give technical examples,
in a detailed Flow Chart Diagram with respect to accomplishing these so called
Proofs.
Also include a Gantt Chart of the process flow; and finally, your estimates of the
costs to complete this entire Proof scenario.
Thanks in advance - it will help everyone when attempting to provide a Proof
that You consider acceptable and save everyone a lot of time and effort, thus
removing the guess work and any ambiguity. Right now it's like hugging jello!
We all look forward to receiving and reviewing your work-product.
This will definitely help us in securing your investment offers, and such... A more
than fair request considering the potential for a very "High Reward" ROI.
Regards,
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on May 13, 2023, 05:04:54 PM
Detailed Proof Road Map
Bi, please help us out here,
Being a self-professed expert on "Proofs," please compile a detailed description of
what exactly you consider a "Proof" or POC.
Use Specific Requirements, in bullet form, with details. Then give technical examples,
in a detailed Flow Chart Diagram with respect to accomplishing these so called
Proofs.
Also include a Gantt Chart of the process flow; and finally, your estimates of the
costs to complete this entire Proof scenario.
Thanks in advance - it will help everyone when attempting to provide a Proof
that You consider acceptable and save everyone a lot of time and effort, thus
removing the guess work and any ambiguity. Right now it's like hugging jello!
We all look forward to receiving and reviewing your work-product.
This will definitely help us in securing your investment offers, and such... A more
than fair request considering the potential for a very "High Reward" ROI.
Regards,
SL
Hi SL,
I think Willy outlined it well when he wrote:
QuoteSecond, it is up to you (the presenter) to prove or show experimentally
any O.U. results you might claim.
Third, It is not up to others (i.e. bistander) to disprove O.U. claims. It is reasonable
that the burden of proof rest upon any claimant of what is extra ordinary, to demonstrate
and CLEARLY AND PLAINLY describe their method or device,
and
to show measurements along with the methods of how those measurements were taken.
best wishes
floor
So let's start with that. BTW, what did you use when you determined that you had done this:
Quote from: SolarLab on May 08, 2023, 04:43:56 PM
...
I'm probably the only one here who has shown and
proven (using CAE and in the lab) an "excess Energy" device -
...
SL
Why not show your documentation and data from that proof?
A sincere effort to show real time simultaneous input and output power for a sustained period of at least a few minutes. That may not be sufficient to entice me to invest funds, but would convince me to take you, and Holcomb, seriously.
Thank you and regards,
bi
Bi,
Thanks - I was looking for a bit more technical detail - lots of general words, etc.
but absolutely no detail - but thanks anyway.
Some thing like - here's our criteria, in detail, that proves the concept - much like
you would see during a design review for a Space Vehicle, a Bridge, or a High Rise - since
it's hard to "prove" until it's actually build and launched - and by then it's too late!
You don't think you just sketch things out and launch them do you? How do you think
the Professionals ensure the design is a good one for large complex projects, or even
small technical projects, before securing funds or building?
Well, you're right - just like Boeing, Spar Aerospace, P&H, and yes LinGen - CAE Analysis.
Oh well - I asked - and you answered - so thanks! With respect to publishing any details;
my requirements have been outlined in some of the posts above - not until it's perfected,
safe from litigation, meets regulatory requirements, and so forth. (a.k.a. - CYA)
We're obviously just from two very different Worlds, and that's OK! I can appreciate that.
You probably do as well - especially if you fly or drive a modern car or cross a bridge or
take the elevator in a high rise... Even small kitchen appliances employ CAE validations
before any prototyping - confirms the POC before ever picking up a soldering iron.
Good luck in your investing...
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on May 13, 2023, 05:58:35 PM
Bi,
Thanks - I was looking for a bit more technical detail - lots of general words, etc.
but absolutely no detail - but thanks anyway.
Some thing like - here's our criteria, in detail, that proves the concept - much like
you would see during a design review for a space vehicle, a bridge, or a High Rise - since
it's hard to prove until it's actually build and launched - and by then it's too late!
You don't think you just sketch things out and launch them do you? How do you think
the professionals ensure the design is a good one for large complex projects, or even
small technical projects, before securing funds?
Well, you're right - just like Boeing, Spar Aerospace, P&H, and yes LinGen - CAE Analysis.
Oh well - I asked - and you answered - so thanks! With respect to publishing an details;
my requirements have been detailed in some of the posts above - not until it's perfected,
and safe from litigation, and so forth.
We're just from two very different Worlds, and that's OK! I can appreciate that.
You probably do as well - especially if you fly or drive a modern car or cross a bridge or
take the elevator in a high rise...
Good luck in your investing...
SL
SL,
What's wrong with this?
Quote from: bistander on May 13, 2023, 05:44:24 PM
Hi SL,
...
... what did you use when you determined that you had done this:
Quote from: SolarLab on May 08, 2023, 04:43:56 PM
...
I'm probably the only one here who has shown and
proven (using CAE and in the lab) an "excess Energy" device -
...
SL
Why not show your documentation and data from that proof?
A sincere effort to show real time simultaneous input and output power for a sustained period of at least a few minutes.
...
Can't you pull up your lab log, copy and paste the data here with the photos. Or simply repeat the same test. That's all I'm asking. Proof of your claim. Nothing exotic. Just accurate input and output power, like you would have needed to conclude that you had proven it in the lab.
You made the claim based on a test right? Show it to us, or repeat it and show that to us. What is wrong with that?
bi
Quote from: bistander on May 13, 2023, 07:05:59 PM
SL,
What's wrong with this?
Why not show your documentation and data from that proof?
A sincere effort to show real time simultaneous input and output power for a sustained period of at least a few minutes.
...
Can't you pull up your lab log, copy and paste the data here with the photos. Or simply repeat the same test. That's all I'm asking. Proof of your claim. Nothing exotic. Just accurate input and output power, like you would have needed to conclude that you had proven it in the lab.
You made the claim based on a test right? Show it to us, or repeat it and show that to us. What is wrong with that?
bi
The "LinGen" CAE Analysis posted elsewhere over a year ago are the "Proofs." From there you can build up your own
device and test it.
The physical lab models are still "Trade Secret" until such time as HES releases their products. I'm sure you can
appreciate the legalities of Licensing and confidentiality, etc. plus liabilities. If not, then, oh well!
Not sure what your goals are, but I'm naturally suspecious base on the past...
So, the answer to your pestering is still - NO! Go Fish elsewhere. There is no need to carry this on further.
Its become redundant and, quite frankly, very silly. Claim whatever you decide, its unimportant in the whole scheme.
Look somewhere else for your fame and fortune, pot of gold, or whatever your after.
Case Closed - Bye Bye...
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on May 13, 2023, 07:20:04 PM
The "LinGen" CAE Analysis posted elsewhere over a year ago are the "Proofs." From there you can build up your own
device and test it.
The physical lab models are still "Trade Secret" until such time as HES releases their products. I'm sure you can
appreciate the legalities of Licensing and confidentiality, etc. plus liabilities. If not, then, oh well!
Not sure what your goals are, but I'm naturally suspecious base on the past...
So, the answer to your pestering is still - NO! Go Fish elsewhere. There is no need to carry this on further.
Its become redundant and, quite frankly, very silly. Claim whatever you decide, its unimportant in the whole scheme.
Look somewhere else for your fame and fortune, pot of gold, or whatever your after.
Case Closed - Bye Bye...
SL
Thanks for clearing this up SL.
You never had any intent to show the proof which you claimed, and we know the real reason.
As for your LinGen CAE analysis, it's far from proof.
You call it pestering to ask for proof of claim. What do you call making claim without proof?
My goals? Find someone who will prove their claim of working FE device. Nobody will, and we know the reason.
Gotta wonder about your goals. Try to find some big boy pants that fit.
bi
Like I said:
Look somewhere else for your fame and fortune, pot of gold, or whatever your after.
Case Closed - Bye Bye...
Quote from: SolarLab on May 13, 2023, 09:18:01 PM
Like I said:
Look somewhere else for your fame and fortune, pot of gold, or whatever your after.
Case Closed - Bye Bye...
SL,
Just after someone with the common decency to stand behind a claim they made. But that is beyond your integrity and respect for a fellow human being apparently.
My fame and fortune is off topic. Pot of gold is of no interest to me. The in-lab proof of excess energy device you claim to have is what I am after.
bi
Quote from: bistander on May 13, 2023, 10:17:37 PM
SL,
Just after someone with the common decency to stand behind a claim they made. But that is beyond your integrity and respect for a fellow human being apparently.
My fame and fortune is off topic. Pot of gold is of no interest to me. The in-lab proof of excess energy device you claim to have is what I am after.
bi
bi,
Be aware I know, and see, the game in the broad scope - been there, and fought that before, a few times. Your not fooling anyone.
Your "fame and fortune and pot-of-gold" are the topic. It's a very old game BTW.
Nowhere have you ever shown how, if you gained the $10T/yr technology, you would save the World. So, why would anyone just
give that technology to you? You can't even define what a "proof" would consist of, or is!
Besides; you already have the technology (LinGen) - why don't you just build it and test it yourself - small effort on your part to, as
you claim, "Save The World" - an extremely small effort. You are certainly NOT the Authority "Proof" Guru, that's for sure.
Your aim is clear - it's to stop it - not just my opinion BTW! I wasn't born yesturday... neither was Chris.
We can go on forever, but I'm convinced you, et. al., have now been exposed - prove me wrong!
Show your "Save the World" plan. Show anything of value; other than "give me this technology" because "I say so."
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on May 13, 2023, 11:15:24 PM
bi,
Be aware I know, and see, the game in the broad scope - been there, and fought that before, a few times. Your not fooling anyone.
Your "fame and fortune and pot-of-gold" are the topic. It's a very old game BTW.
Nowhere have you ever shown how, if you gained the $10T/yr technology, you would save the World. So, why would anyone just
give that technology to you? You can't even define what a "proof" would consist of, or is!
Besides; you already have the technology (LinGen) - why don't you just build it and test it yourself - small effort on your part to, as
you claim, "Save The World" - an extremely small effort. You are certainly NOT the Authority "Proof" Guru, that's for sure.
Your aim is clear - it's to stop it - not just my opinion BTW! I wasn't born yesturday... neither was Chris.
We can go on forever, but I'm convinced you, et. al., have now been exposed - prove me wrong!
Show your "Save the World" plan. Show anything of value; other than "give me this technology" because "I say so."
SL
SL,
You're delusional. I play no game. But it isn't about me. Read the topic. Look at the forum mission statement. I'm here to help in the quest for a better energy source for the benefit of mankind and mother earth. Period.
After a long and successful, IMO, career, I hoped I might share some knowledge and experience with a younger enthusiastic researcher to help them see through the scams and BS to apply science and truth, stimulating perhaps a novel idea of their own. It amazes me how much resistance and crap I take helping others. It is true, no good deed goes unpunished. But I endure.
I know I'll not save the world, but I can call BS on greedy scammers. Prove Holcomb has anything of value. I dare you. Your LinGen prototype is small enough to put in a box so details are hidden. Meter input and output, loop it and run it for a month on camera. How's that for a test procedure? You're a smart boy. If you really have it, you could easily figure a way to prove it without divulging any details not already published. I don't accept you're lame excuses. We know why you won't show your in-lab proof don't we.
bi
Quote from: bistander on May 14, 2023, 12:21:36 AM
SL,
You're delusional. I play no game. But it isn't about me. Read the topic. Look at the forum mission statement. I'm here to help in the quest for a better energy source for the benefit of mankind and mother earth. Period.
After a long and successful, IMO, career, I hoped I might share some knowledge and experience with a younger enthusiastic researcher to help them see through the scams and BS to apply science and truth, stimulating perhaps a novel idea of their own. It amazes me how much resistance and crap I take helping others. It is true, no good deed goes unpunished. But I endure.
I know I'll not save the world, but I can call BS on greedy scammers. Prove Holcomb has anything of value. I dare you. Your LinGen prototype is small enough to put in a box so details are hidden. Meter input and output, loop it and run it for a month on camera. How's that for a test procedure? You're a smart boy. If you really have it, you could easily figure a way to prove it without divulging any details not already published. I don't accept you're lame excuses. We know why you won't show your in-lab proof don't we.
bi
bi,
Thanks for sharing your "
Save the World Plan" and "
What a Proof really is" - enlightening, I guess?
I'll leave you in this "forum bubble" and let you have the last post, as you seem to think that's important!
Have a good one, but keep in mind the "LinGen" is the first device to be presented here that shows (proven)
Excess Energy. Of course you already knew that being the resident "Proof" expert here - no CAE experience however;
and no shown build T&M; but lots of forum chit chat which, you seem to think, makes up for this gross lack.
Whatever...
Be careful about the "greedy scammers" comments however, might come back to bite you, and et. al..
Take care and have a good one,
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on May 14, 2023, 01:05:48 AM
bi,
Thanks for sharing your "Save the World Plan" and "What a Proof really is" - enlightening, I guess?
I'll leave you in the "forum bubble" and let you have the last post as you seem to think that's important!
Have a good one, but keep in mind the "LinGen" is the first device to be presented here that shows (proven)
Excess Energy. Of course you already knew that being the resident "Proof" expert here - no CAE experience however;
but lots of forum chit chat which, you seem to think, makes up for the gross lack. Whatever...
Be careful about the "greedy scammers" comments however, might come back to bite you, and et. al..
Take care and have a good one,
SL
SL
What value is hidden proof?
None.
If CAE was proof, why did you build LinGen prototype and test it?
Oh yeah, you know. I know.
C'ya.
bi
{edit}
Saving SL's reply here as I've noticed he deleted one earlier.
Quote from: SolarLab on May 14, 2023, 01:39:21 AM
Wanted to show you all how modern technolgy development is done - as i've posted
many times here and elsewhere.
It was a hobby project to basically provide another approach to design and development,
take a CAE course and see how things are done these days - only after varifying your
design using modern tools, do you move to spending time and money winding coils and
soldering.
Too expensive, not really, do it as a project while learning or working (off-hours if need be).
Plus, you can get a high paying job with your new found skills.
CAE does not allow you hide anything as you should know; if you were skilled in the Profession.
BTW, you don't know shit! :) as you have indicated many times...
Like I said:
Look somewhere else for your fame and fortune, pot of gold, or whatever your after.
Case Closed - Bye Bye...
Quote from: bistander on May 14, 2023, 01:26:26 AM
SL
What value is hidden proof?
None.
If CAE was proof, why did you build LinGen prototype and test it?
Oh yeah, you know. I know.
C'ya.
bi
Wanted to show you all how modern technolgy development is done - as i've posted
many times here and elsewhere.
It was a hobby project to basically provide another approach to design and development,
take a CAE course and see how things are done these days - only after varifying your
design using modern tools, do you move to spending time and money winding coils and
soldering.
Too expensive, not really, do it as a project while learning or working (off-hours if need be).
Plus, you can get a high paying job with your new found skills.
CAE does not allow you hide anything as you should know; if you were skilled in the Profession.
BTW, you don't know shit! :) as you have indicated many times...
Like I said:
Look somewhere else for your fame and fortune, pot of gold, or whatever your after.
Case Closed - Bye Bye...
A Perfect Example of How
"THE CONSPIRACY AGAINST EXCESS ENERGY DEVICES WORKS"
(And how the "Trolls Shills and LARPs operate)
The preceding 5 pages provides a good example of how some participants in these forums
perpetuate, and carry out, their Troll Shill Conspiracies, and worse.
In the first page a diagram and patent for the Excess Energy Generator (ZERG) is given.
But before "the ink is even dry" along comes the Troll Shills claiming great knowledge and
and proclaiming the the device "BS" )I know BS when I see it).
Now this Troll Shill has a history of this behaviour and it is brought to his attention. But
to no avail - this Troll Shill carries on and on for 5 pages. Spouting " The ones I've
commented on don't work" and bla bla...
Then the Co-Conspirators join the "Nay Say" supposedly claiming failed replications; even
though they have no knowledge of the detailed design nor engineering specifications.
MR. ZERG (the Inventor of the ZERG) then joins the posting on page 2 where he briefly
describs his Z.E.R.G Generator, including a third party varification by Intertek.
The next few pages are typical "Troll Roll" and great wisdom from the masses.
So, after 3 pages - lets "flush these Trolls! It took several more pages but the results
speak for themselves:
Here you have a Troll Shill with no knowledge of Excess Energy Devices and no Skill
Set in Professional CAE Analysis nor any knowledge of, or "Hands On" experience
with, any form of "Proof of Concept;" let alone a technical appreciation of such
devices - oh, he does apparently know how a motor works => so => an OU Expert?
Now the plot thickens - the real Trolling is exposed - he want's the complete details
of the device testing, etc. - So, we ask why - but we know why - and the whole
scheme is finally exposed! Disrupt the technology by any means possible!
We've seen this time and again but it's rare its brought to light so quickly (5 pages).
JMHO ;)
SL,
I've been criticizing bad science in the form of claim without proof. You again resort to belittle me.
bi
ps. Reviewing this thread.
I responded politely to MR ZERG's post. Another member posts about zero force motor. I reply to that with my opinion of bad science terms zero force motor, nullified EMF generators and doubled efficiency. You jumped in and caused the distraction with your belittling attack "
Clown world of the week" post. Do not blame me for taking this thread off track.
And I apologize to MR ZERG. I actually wanted, and still do, to discuss with him things such as how or why he claims doubled efficiency. Because of you, SL, that is unlikely. It's unfortunate you could not have kept quiet.
For convenient reference:
Quote from: SolarLab on May 12, 2023, 02:56:38 AM
Clown world of the week:
...
Can't help but love and appreciate the Dumpster Humour here!
Thanks, I needed a good laugh!
SL
Laugh on SL.
Quote from: bistander on May 14, 2023, 07:21:43 AM
SL,
I've been criticizing bad science in the form of claim without proof. You again resort to belittle me.
bi
ps. Reviewing this thread.
I responded politely to MR ZERG's post. Another member posts about zero forcemotor. I reply to that with my opinion of bad science terms zero force motor, nullified EMF generators and doubled efficiency. You jumped in and caused the distraction with your belittling attack "Clown world of the week" post. Do not blame me for taking this thread off track.
And I apologize to MR ZERG. I actually wanted, and still do, to discuss with him things such as how or why he claims doubled efficiency. Because of you, SL, that is unlikely. It's unfortunate you could not have kept quiet.
For convenient reference:
Laugh on SL.
Big difference between being exposed and belittling * you were EXPOSED * !
A classic example of why it is mandatory to have a moderated build topic,
We definitely have the ability to do this here ( happening more and more all the time )
, and it is under discussion off forum ATM
( who will help moderate here)
Needless to say I should have tried to set this up prior to inviting Ron to discussion ( it was his interest that generated this topic .
My apologies to Ron and if Mr Zerg is indeed the inventor
Likewise!
For clarity once a builder starts to replicate or ?
That takes precedence on topic !
Nothing will interfere
All good ..as we get back on track ...( and that is definitely the goal)
Tremendous gratitude ..
And for clarity..helpful scrutiny ( or helpful suggestions) always welcome !
As are good measurement protocols ( always evolving and open to discussion)
Generic scrutiny.. not so much !
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
For clarity
Some claims involve several fields of science
Some of these not well understood (LENR... plasmas...gravity ..magnetics etc)
We all learn together..
1 poste : ZERG demonstration,as image
The patent,the mosaic,far away from the shown "conventional ZERG generator image"
The patent model mosaic remembers me,25 years back research :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820831&CC=YU&NR=213180A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820831&CC=YU&NR=213180A&KC=A#)
used principle,now as magnet equipped device ,in german called "Unruh",
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruh_%28Uhr%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_wheel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_wheel)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_oscillator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_oscillator)
Claude Jaquet; CH; analog,precision,WATCHMAKER
About geral basic energy conversion related physics,a trial :
https://www.overunity-theory.de/Buch_gedruckt_korrigiert.pdf (https://www.overunity-theory.de/Buch_gedruckt_korrigiert.pdf)
https://www.overunity-theory.de/rotator/rotatornew.pdfhttp://maecourses.ucsd.edu/callafon/labcourse/lecturenotes/Lagrange_Handout.pdf (https://www.overunity-theory.de/rotator/rotatornew.pdfhttp://maecourses.ucsd.edu/callafon/labcourse/lecturenotes/Lagrange_Handout.pdf)
study and counterview:
https://www2.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/Energie_diss.htm (https://www2.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/Energie_diss.htm)
"doubling the efficiency" -potential from actual used industrial/comercial technology
https://overunity.com/18833/about-momentum-converter/ (https://overunity.com/18833/about-momentum-converter/)
wmbr
OCWL
Not a problem Chet, another case of where my expectations where higher than what the device warranted.
Same old same old if the device does not come with exact build instructions then it becomes impossible to replicate exactly.
My thanks to bistander for his attempts to keep this forum on track. That the interloper was unwilling to answer your simple question says it all!
Regards,
Ron
Quote from: ramset on May 14, 2023, 02:28:09 PM
A classic example of why it is mandatory to have a moderated build topic,
We definitely have the ability to do this here ( happening more and more all the time )
, and it is under discussion off forum ATM
( who will help moderate here)
Needless to say I should have tried to set this up prior to inviting Ron to discussion ( it was his interest that generated this topic .
My apologies to Ron and if Mr Zerg is indeed the inventor
Likewise!
For clarity once a builder starts to replicate or ?
That takes precedence on topic !
Nothing will interfere
All good ..as we get back on track ...( and that is definitely the goal)
Tremendous gratitude ..
And for clarity..helpful scrutiny ( or helpful suggestions) always welcome !
As are good measurement protocols ( always evolving and open to discussion)
Generic scrutiny.. not so much !
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
For clarity
Some claims involve several fields of science
Some of these not well understood (LENR... plasmas...gravity ..magnetics etc)
We all learn together..
Ron
You and your peers ( others who build and share open source ) are worth your weight
In .....(no possible way to express appropriate gratitude
Hopefully we get there soon !
Too many wooden nickels in FE world! ( generic comment , not referring to this topic )
Much gratitude
Chet