After the end of World War II, German [Nazi] experts moved to the United States [Operation Paperclip], where they continued to develop, together with international teams and well-known American aviation corporations and concerns, their developments in unconventional aircraft and other technologies at sites prepared for the purpose corresponding to the so-called "Secret areas" such as the well-known "Area 51" and the like.
Their tests and experiments often fall into the eyes of people or the lenses of their cameras, so they are known as UFOs ...
Bob Lazar UFO, George Adamski UFO, Mark McCandlish ARV FluxLinner these are part of German unconventional flying apparatus developments
I am attaching an article in Bulgarian with a translation about a Bulgarian specialist who worked together with German specialists and attended a demonstration of an unconventional flying apparatus in 1944
translation:
A Plovdiv resident with Hitler in an underground UFO factory, making a secret base under Mount Botev
Spring of 1995. A 70-year-old, good-looking man enters the museum in Troyan. He examines the exhibits, then insists on seeing the director Totyu Totevski. The visitor demonstrates knowledge of art, traditions, prehistory. He introduces himself as Mr. Kolev. "I don't know if Mr. wasn't his personal name - I didn't understand at the time, and I didn't ask," says the now former director. Word for word their conversation came to the Lemuro-Atlanteans and their flying machines, known as UFOs. "I'm here next week and I'm going to show you part of a diary that will change your thinking," Kolev says. "He actually came back a week later and showed me this diary," Totevski said. "Read! If you wish, you can take notes. But without photos and copies." With these words, Kolev handed him an old school notebook. The author of the notes introduced himself as follows: "My name is Hristofor Kolev. I was born on June 24, 1915 in Plovdiv. My father was an officer. My big dream was to study aeronautical engineering, and because I had the opportunity, I graduated in Germany when the Reich was marching victoriously. I graduated with honors and was offered to join Prof. Letzer's group, which worked for the manufacturers of the Me 262, Ju 52, FW 200 aircraft." All pages were numbered in pencil, but the first ones were missing. The preserved ones began with N942. "By -a large part of the diary was occupied by formulas, drawings and explanations in Bulgarian and German. Apparently they were for specialists, I didn't understand anything," says Totevski. On sheet N967 only in Bulgarian was written: "On February 21, 1944, Prof. Letzer called me urgently by phone. When I came out into the street, I saw a car waiting for me, in which I was politely invited to enter. We traveled for about 2 hours and arrived at an airport that I, although I knew all about the runways near Berlin, did not even suspect. A twin-engine plane stood out in the darkness, warming up its engines. At the same time as my car, 3 more arrived, from which Prof. Letzer and my colleagues Hans Döpfer and Helmut Altenburg got out." Further, Eng. Kolev described a visit to an underground factory - one of many scattered throughout Europe during Hitler's time. "The following lines shook me, says Totevski. The aircraft engineer described: "After many checks, we finally entered a large hall with dimly lit walls and ceiling. Several military personnel were bent over at a long table. As we entered, they stood up and Hitler's profile stood out among them. After the customary greeting, we lined up around the table , as we sat down behind the Führer. Hitler nodded to General Hochmeister, the director of the plant, whom we knew from previous work together, and he ordered the lights to be turned on. We were in a huge hangar. I was shocked. In the middle of the dungeon I saw this, which I had heard of, but no one believed. It was the mysterious saucer, standing on 4 legs, with a small hemispherical opaque dome. Yellow and red lights flashed along the rim. The general pressed a large red button next to his right hand and the run of the lights intensified until a continuous and blindingly bright circle of light was formed. The dome over the hangar slowly opened, and a moment later the saucer flew vertically at an indescribable speed. At about 3,000 m it hung in the air, then flew sharply to the side, again hung motionless and then in a few moments it again stood silently on its 4 ugly thin legs, blinking as if playing with its lights. It was as if nothing had happened. We heard no noise from engines, not even a noticeable movement of the air. "Tibet 3 a X 44" - concluded gen. Hochmeister. With a slight creak, the dome closed over us. Have they overcome gravity, I thought for a moment, but I hastened to expel this heretical thought." Acquaintance with the Führer's top-secret weapon was not accidental. The aircraft engineer from Plovdiv knew that there was an order to include Prof. Letzer and his colleagues in the creation project on a base such as the "Divine Fire" plan envisioned to be equipped in specially selected places. One of them was in the Balkans - Mount Yumrukchal in Bulgaria, renamed Mount Botev in 1950. After several months of preparation, the group, equipped with the most modern navigation equipment, carried by 4 transport planes at Bozhurishte airport. "On August 23, 1944, we were on the highest Staroplanin peak. We prepared the base 1200 m west of the triangulation point. North of the ridge about 250m the surveyors had marked a shallow cave in which we placed the food block and reserves. In case of unforeseen danger, we would blow up the rock above it, well loaded with explosives by the sappers, in order to bury everything - food, weapons, equipment", the Bulgarian engineer described in detail the time and location of the base. According to his further notes, the first landing in Bulgaria by an aircraft from the "Tibet" series was carried out on August 26 at 2:15 a.m. Another 9 followed. However, on September 4, 1944, an accident occurred. Eng. Kolev also revealed: "Tibetan usually stayed at a site and for landing between 4 and 12 minutes. Then it flew sharply to the south or east. On the 4th, 10 minutes after landing, at about 11 p.m., the base was attacked by several Soviet fighters, which, circling, began furiously firing at the aircraft, navigation systems, cars and everything that moved. I saw the attackers' bullets and shells bounce off the hull of the saucer, which flew vertically and was lost in the sky. Everything passed in half a minute or one minute." From Prof. Letzer's group, only Hristofor Kolev survived. On the backup radio station, hidden in the cave, help was urgently called from Plovdiv and reported to Berlin. After 2 days, the base was liquidated, and the cave was blown up. "And why Hitler did not use this super-powerful weapon in the war remains a mystery. At least for me," the engineer finally wrote. During Totevski's third and last meeting with Mr. Kolev, he learned more about the author of the notes. "My uncle unexpectedly returned to our father's house. A few days later, Soviet occupation troops entered Bulgaria. He did not leave the room and was constantly writing. I know from my father that he asked to find a reliable person to send his notes to our aunt in Stara Zagora, who was married to the German Müller. At the last moment, uncle tore off the first 41 leaves and carefully burned them, and on a separate sheet wrote an address in Turuia, where the notebook should be sent. I don't know why this hasn't been done. As the sole heir of Aunt Margarita Müller, decades later, digging into the family archives, I found my uncle's diary," said Kolev. The further fate of Eng. Hristofor Kolev was unknown to his nephew. One evening, lightly dressed, he left the house and he never returned. Rumors spread around the neighborhood that as a German graduate he was arrested and shot on the banks of Maritsa. "Unfortunately for the Soviet specialists who had sent a special unit to capture him and send him to the relevant research centers. It's no wonder that he was delivered where he should be, for further work in his specialty, and that the rumor about his murder was spread on purpose - to mislead the right person," said Mr. Kolev./24 Hours
Published on August 9, 2014
I read somewhere that the creator of the US space program, Wernher Von Braun, often got angry and sad when people started to associate UFOs with extraterrestrials
meanwhile, some leading car concerns such as Audi, Volkswagen, Renault are working on this type of electromagnetic electrogravitic unconventional propulsion borrowed from UFOs and timidly hinting through some of their futuristic concepts such as the so-called "PEOPLE S CAR" project (https://youtu.be/JWh2qT9yiTo) presented in China or "Renault Float hover car" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RyM-QaFqQM) and hoverboard project: https://youtu.be/A4vE_vpkr90 ....maybe in the future there will be whole flying homes and dwellings?
I am attaching the original article:
https://www.24chasa.bg/bulgaria/article/4236463
I would not mix Bob LIEzar with George Adamski and Mark McCandlish who spoke the truth, LIEzar is almost certainly a government conintel agent who appeared just when public became aware of Area 51 and was starting to get curious about secret programs, there was an urgent need to derail any serious research, and what better way to derail but to sell them a sleazy idea that we need some element 115 which, not surprizingly, only ETs have (altho they like gave us 200kg out of pitty)...and to promote the idea that we dont have our own saucers and can't make 'em with 115.
As for Kolev diary, to be honest, as someone who has been deeply researching Nazi field propulsion for many years (and i have shared tons of stuff on the subject many time here) report reads like fiction. I am not dismissing it 100%, but considering that Nazi saucers were far bigger and so many models existed in August 1944., Hitler witnessing testing of a small model seems unlikely.
So what was the actual stage of development of Nazi saucers in August 1944. is best seen from reports like this FBI report by a Polish ex-Nazi prisoner about a 75-100 yard (70-90 meter) wide field propelled disc that stalled a tractor 500 feet away as it rose above the tarpaulin wall 50 feet high and as it cleared the wall moved away. This takes place in East Germany, 1944.
https://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%2012%20of%2016/view?fbclid=IwAR3RyYoTW5fJxh0KCT2boe2Tql_q79IefTrf8L1QyhgvKQ70cfbE6uizuA4#document/p88
Also Pilot's testimony, which was first published in 1998 in Karl-Heinz Zunneck's book and later in Hitler's Flying Saucers, from which I quote. This happened in July 1944 near the Stettiner Lagoon on the border between Germany and Poland on the Baltic coast.
"The sighting in question was reported to the author, Mr. Zunneck, by Horst Schuppmann whose friend knew the pilot of the JU-52 in question. The date was July, 1944. Accompanying the pilot on this three and one-half hour flight was a co-pilot, a mechanic, and the radio man. The airplane took off from Brest-Deblin and flew on a westerly course to Lublin. The flight was unfolding smoothly which was somewhat abnormal for the particular time and stage of the war. Over Stettin Lagoon preparations were made to land. A large white cross was sighted which was the marker for their goal, a meadow landing strip. The aircraft descended, landed normally and rolled toward a group of bushes which would hide the aircraft from view. Then things took a decided turn to the abnormal. Harsh orders were received that the pilot, co-pilot and mechanic were not to exit the airplane. Suddenly, the radio man had vanished. The others waited an hour in vain for his return.
Finally, the pilot decided to get out of the airplane and find his missing crewman, without orders, and on his own. On the airfield itself nobody was to be seen. There was only one building visible which was a lonely hanger. The pilot, ever concerned with maintaining cover, headed straight for this hanger. Upon arrival he opened an narrow, high sliding door and entered, hoping to receive some information. No person was to be seen but what the pilot did see bewildered him so that the image was deeply ingrained in his mind.
There in the hanger stood three or four very large, round, dark dish shaped metal constructions on telescope-like leg stands. The objects were about 6 meters off the ground and the objects themselves were 12 to 15 meters in diameter. The pilot compared the shape of the objects to a giant soup dish or soup plate. Suddenly, out of the half darkness a military guard emerged. The guard let the pilot know that he was in an area which was strictly off limits. In fact, the pilot was told, on no uncertain terms, to disappear immediately or this would be his last day on earth.
[...]
Of course the question of what those objects in the hanger really were comes back to this pilot even after almost 55 years. The pilot personally attributes it to the so called "Magnetscheibe", literally, "magnet-disk". According to the pilot rumors of these objects circulated in pilot circles since the summer of 1944."
And a summary of the development
So, from the information that Marija received from the people from Aldebaran, the entire German disk program was born, starting with the first model of the Jenseitsflugmaschine, abbreviated as JFM, translated as "machine for the flight to the other side". JFM is described as follows
"The machine itself was disc-shaped with three inner disc plates within a plate-like fuselage and a cylindrical power unit passing through the center of all three plates. The central disc plate was 8 meters in diameter; above it was a parallel disc plate of 6 diameter, 5 meters, and below an equally parallel disk 7 meters in diameter.Through the center of all three disk plates ran a 2.4 meter high cylindrical drive unit which fitted into a 1.8 meter movable hole culminating at the bottom of the disk body to a conical top on to which is attached a huge pendulum with weights to stabilize the craft."
JFM was tested for the first time on March 23, 1922. and the test was catastrophic, the aircraft literally exploded due to enormous centrifugal forces.
From JFM came the next model RFZ-1 (RundFlugZeug meaning "round craft") which used a levitation drive developed by Dr. W.O. Schumann from the Technical Faculty in Munich, who worked at JFM from 1922-1934. The first test of the RFZ-1 took place in 1934 near the Arado-Brandenburg factory, the aircraft rose very quickly to a height of 60 meters before it began to spin uncontrollably, after which it fell to the ground, pilot Lothar Waiz ejected in time.
After that, the RFZ (Vril) 2, 3, 4 and 5 models followed, then the Haunebu models, then the Andromeda Gerat, the 130-meter mother ship, the Vril electro-magnetic-gravitic drives and the Thule Triebwerks. The exact details of these drives are not well known, but it is well known that, like the JFM, they were based on counter-rotating electromagnets, with the fact that the Haunebu drive still used a chamber with ionized mercury.
The development of these spaceships was overseen by Himmler's SS, specifically SS Technical Branch Unit E-IV (Entwicklungsstelle 4).
By the end of the war, the Americans knew the exact locations of 9 of these "Kugleblitz" factories, which they marked on their war maps with the symbol of the planet Saturn.
The SS symbol is clearly visible at the bottom of the Vril disk. SS of course means Schwarze Sonne ie Black Sun and the symbol ᛋ is the Elder Futhark symbol Sowilo which literally means Sun and represents life force ie Vril.
Etc. It's all on my blog, on the front page is all about Nazi saucer development from 1919. to 1945. and beyond.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/
As well as Nazi A-bombs which they unquestionably did develop and test.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/nazi-a-bomb/
Just one out of many quotes
Rudolf Zinsser for US Ninth Army Air Force intelligence report interrogated by Captain Helenes T. Freiberger
"In the beginning of Oct. 1944 I flew from Ludwigslust (south of Lubeck), about 12 to 15 km from an atomic bomb test station, when I noticed a strong, bright illumination of the whole atmosphere, lasting about 2 seconds. The clearly visible pressure wave escaped the approaching and following cloud formed by the explosion. This wave had a diameter of about 1 km when it became visible and the color of the cloud changed frequently. It became dotted after a short period of darkness with all sorts of light spots, which were, in contrast to normal explosions, of a pale blue color. [...] A cloud shaped like a mushroom with turbulent, billowing sections (at about 7000 meter altitude) stood, without any seeming connections, over the spot where the explosion took place. Strong electrical disturbances and the impossibility to continue radio communication as by lightning, turned up."
And various death rays, most notable being the disitegration ray
As Miguel Serrano, let's call hima a priest of esoteric Hitlerism who was close to high-ranking SS members said
"I have spoken with some ex-combatants of the SS who were on the Russian front and through the final offensive in the Ardennes who saw mysterious weapons in action that disintegrated enemy airplanes in full flight, lightning that left only a space where a tank had been before, or that paralysed the enemy without killing. They were used only once and then disappeared."
Confirmation of this lightning death ray is found in the following OSS report, page 3735 in the Dr. Todd Rider's book
OSS Report No. FF-83. 21 October 1944. Atom Smashing Secret Weapon. [NARA RG 77, Entry UD-22A, Box 171, Folder 32.7003-2 GERMANY: US Wartime Positive Int. (July–Oct. 44)]
The Germans have completed a weapon which is founded on the principle of the disintegration of matter (Atomzertruemmerung). Experiments have been performed which have proved conclusive. The effect of this weapon is like that of a thunderbolt, naturally much magnified.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/nazi-death-rays/
So, all rumors are true. Biggest reason people disbelieve is the common skeptical question - if they had it they would not have lost the war. They don't understand that these black programs were mostly run by secret societies and agenda of secret societies is often quite different from national agenda. We may say they lost one war to win another one.
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And of course US, Russia, England and others replicated the tech after the war, according to Major Donald Keyhoe's first book, The Flying Saucers are Real Brits were first to replicate the tech in 1947.
Later reports indicate Russians and Americans caught up by 1954. For example this report from the newspaper "LA CROIX", one of the newspapers that reported on this meeting. This is another in a long series of indications of the secret military in this case Russian space program.
October 21, 1954, France.
A worker from Saint-Rémy (Vosges), Mr. Ujvari, 40 years old, has just told the gendarmes of Raon-l'Etape that, last Wednesday, around 3 am, he was stopped on the road by a stranger of large build and average height, wearing a gray jacket, decorated on the shoulders with shiny badges .
The man spoke an unknown language. Mr. Ujvari, of Czech nationality, tried to speak Russian. His interlocutor understood it perfectly. "Where am I, he asked, in Italy, in Spain?" He then inquired about the distance separating him from the German border, and the time. The worker having told him that it was around 3:30 am, the man took out of his jacket a watch that marked 4 am
Then the stranger gave the worker the order to move forward. Soon Ujvari saw in the middle of the road a craft in the shape of two plates reversed one against the other, from which emerged a kind of periscope.
Arrived at about thirty meters from the apparatus, which was about 1.50 high and 2.50 m wide, the stranger tells him to move away. But, looking back from time to time, Mr. Ujvari varies could see the machine rise slowly vertically with a noise of sewing machines. Arrived at an altitude of 500 meters, it took the horizontal and disappeared in the direction of the south.
Mr. Ujvari said the unknown was wearing a helmet similar to that of a motorcyclist. He had a gun in his hand.
His last word to Mr. Ujvari was "farewell" in Russian.
Electrogravitic craft sighted on March 23, 1966, Temple, Oklahoma. Project Blue Book case No. 10270. Classic case
https://agondonter7.wordpress.com/2019/07/14/project-blue-book-case-no-10270/
In the early Wednesday's morning on March 23, 1966, William Eddie Laxson was driving to work as usual. He was working as an electrical engineer / electronics instructor at Sheppard Air Force Base since 1951. Approximately 10 minutes after he left his home in Temple town, Oklahoma, he turned right on U.S. Highway 70 towards Randlett, passed the farmhouse on his left, and was forced to stop the car, because in the middle of the road was parked a 75 feet (23 meters) long spacecraft! The time was 5:05 a.m.
"What I saw was definitely not from space. The man was wearing fatigues and had a cap with the bill broken up like Air Force mechanics wear," Jaxson said. "It had common English letters on it."
Significantly, Eddie Laxson noticed that the electrogravitic vehicle had the insignia TL 4138, or TL 4738, on its side. He quickly jolted down the numerals in the dirt at the edge of the roadway but couldn't be certain of the second digit after returning to copy them on paper. In the meantime, the mystery man (pilot?) bolted into the spacecraft, and took off. The machine went straight up for about 50 feet (15 meters) and without turning or banking accelerated to approximately 720 mph (1159 km/h), heading towards Red River. Eddie Laxson described the sound as "high-pitched electric drill". When the electrogravitic vehicle rose in the air it seemed to have a magnetic effect on the hair on Laxson's arms.
ARV Fluxliner documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afLsRsd5roY
Below photo from the Wendelle Stevens archives that almost certainly shows an ARV Fluxliner. Air Force Capt. Harvey Williams was flying a C-47 at 12,000 feet when he took this photo 25 miles southwest of Prova, Utah, in 1966.
To later arrow shaped motherships made in remote Utah desert underground and other places captured by JL Walson etc.
It is not widely known that Hermann Oberth, father of rocketry and Von Braun's senior, said in 1958. US is working on electric spacecraft which will reach the Moon within 5 years and that ETs are observing us and he even wrote a book about them.
And electric that is electrogravitational spacecraft reached the Moon much sooner than in 5 years, probably that same year.
According to Helga Morrow, they had bases on the Moon since circa 1960.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXh-tJPAVwU
Below Texas 1968. cigar shaped craft photo, possible Nazi Andromeda Gerat.
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In '38-39, the Nazis sent the Neuschwabenland aka New Swabia expedition to Antarctica. More about the Neuschwabenland expedition with photos in the book above.
In tthese articles Allies openly talk about smaller Nazi bases in Antarctica during the war, large enough to dock and repair ships and submarines,
https://youtu.be/237F1_aLXZ8&t=959
Nazi expedition of 1939 thoroughly explored Queen Maud Land previously claimed by Norway. The Nazis took about 16,000 aerial photos and mapped about 600,000 square miles, dropped flags over 230,000 square miles, so today we have locations in Antarctica like "Ritscher Peak" (over 4km high), named after the expedition captain Alfred Ritscher, so " Schirmacher Oasis" etc. The Nazis allegedly established Base 211 in the Muhlig-Hofmann mountain, Neuschwabenland, aka Queen Maud Land although there are no concrete sources for this information. This Russian documentary with English narration is about Mission Highjump and Nazi UFOs.
The area that the Nazis explored and declared Neuschwabenland, i.e. New Swabia, also includes Bunger Oasis, which Admiral Byrd's pilot "discovered" 9 years later, 450 square kilometers of land and sweet and salty lakes without, ie with very little ice.
https://youtu.be/yCS-dWUlFVE?t=91
The video shows an ice-free lake that they say is fresh water and 8 miles wide. Unfortunately, it is not known which lake it is. In that area, there is Algae Lake, also known as Lake Figurnoye, 9 miles wide, i.e. 17 km, thawed throughout the year. Antarctica has 14 million square kilometers, 4 million more than Europe and infinite resources, minerals and everything else. What did the Nazis lose and what did they gain? In the picture below Bunger Oasis taken in 2021, possible location of Nazi bases/cities.
Byrd stated that the Bunger Hills are '...one of the most remarkable regions on earth. An island suitable for life had been found in a universe of death.' Byrd also found a huge amount of coal in that area, enough for the whole world for many years, he said. And the Nazis didn't even need coal when they had Hans Coler's generator confirmed by British Intelligence. Byrd aborted the mission after 4 months instead of 8 with heavy losses, the official reason being frozen water. Byrd lost a number of planes and ships, and Vladimir Trezinski heard that Byrd's planes hit invisible barriers and exploded in the air, meaning that the Nazis had already perfected forcefield technology in 1946.
People don't know that nearly 1% of Antarctica is permanently ice-free. And Lake Shield, the Vestfold Hills area, etc.
https://youtu.be/vQHQGwn568M?t=36
https://youtu.be/RbAbfYooW14
In the early fall of 1963, rumors began to spread that a nuclear bomb had exploded in Antarctica, and since no radiation was detected, it was believed to have exploded in the upper atmosphere or under the ice. The US government initially rejected these claims, but shortly after, the day after JFK's assassination, the DOD admitted that it might have been an atomic bomb after all. Almost certainly attacks on Nazi bases.
I have already said that the Nazi elite escaped and that the official story is 100% false. I have already shared the documentary Hitler of the Andes and the film Gray Wolf based on true events, and there is also the testimony of Colotto, Peron's right-hand man, about the meeting between Peron and Bormann after the war.
British journalist Thomas Cadett, a correspondent for The Times and the BBC, who covered the surrender of Germany and was the first to report from Hitler's bunker reported for the BBC on 9.5.1945 (audio recording here)
https://ia800306.us.archive.org/21/items/1945RadioNews/1945-05-09-BBC-Thomas-Cadett-Reports-From-Hitlers-Bunker.mp3
"They found the half burned body of a man with a lock of black hair on the right side of his face and a little black moustache. And they looked at him more closely and their (Russian) doctors came to the conclusion that it was, what they call, a bad double of Hitler and not Hitler himself. If that is so, then all trace of him has disappeared."
In July 1945, Stalin declared that Hitler was living in Spain or Argentina, and so on. Nazis stole over a billion dollars in gold alone, a total of 100 billion dollars in value were stolen all over Europe! – most of which was sent through Swiss banks to more than 900 Nazi-established companies in neutral and Nazi-friendly countries, which were started by Hitler's deputy Martin Bormann from 1943, a large part of this money ended up in Argentina, enabling a comfortable exile for Hitler and senior Nazis in the only country in the world that had its own Nazi party, more about it in Hitler of the Andes and the film Gray Wolf based on real events, thousands of tons of mercury for gravity drives that were transported from the 46 missing submarines, Vril and Haunebu disks, and simply moved to South America and Antarctica (and later, undoubtedly, the Moon – if these recordings are real
https://youtu.be/8nQNUZM_vLg?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGlv5KC7i3mVhCbPc0gvwsA_&t=602
what is an eagle doing on the wall of a mountain on the Moon) from where they continued to rule the world, i.e. they were the first and most advanced of the techno-magic elite to which the mil-ind complexes all belong larger countries that are a real secular power, the Illuminazi, as Vladimir Trezinski used to say, but he did not invent the term.
Reagan's diary, Tuesday, June 11, 1985
"Lunch was with 5 top space scientists. It was fascinating. Space truly is the last frontier and some
of the developments there in astronomy etc. are like science fiction except they are real. I learned that
our shuttle capacity is such we could orbit 300 people."
https://www.reaganfoundation.org/ronald-reagan/white-house-diaries/diary-entry-06111985/
WikiLeaks document
REPORT THAT UR DESTROYED SECRET US BASE ON MOON
Date:1979 January 24, 00:00 (Wednesday)
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/P790011-1247_e.html
And Law of One 26.1.1980.
8.3 Questioner: Are these craft that are of our peoples from what we call planes that are not incarnate at this time? Where are they based?
Ra: I am Ra. These of which we spoke are of third density and are part of the so-called military complex of various of your peoples' societal divisions or structures. The bases are varied. There are bases, as you would call them, undersea in your southern waters near the Bahamas as well as in your Pacific seas in various places close to your Chilean borders on the water. There are bases upon your moon, as you call this satellite, which are at this time being reworked. There are bases which move about your lands. There are bases, if you would call them that, in your skies. These are the bases of your peoples, very numerous and, as we have said, potentially destructive.
Moon bases being reworked in 1980., Wikileaks paper became public 35+ years later speaking about destruction of Moon base presumably in late 1978.
STAR WARS - Strategic Defense Initiative 1983.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMfmVzHZvkc
Probably STAR WARS - Strategic Defense Initiative in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2uduuuu2nM&list=PLS6CmWwu5VGmXnvdbYD_4jYWzoWoEl2z9&index=2
Nadine Lalich, an abduction victim, describes the joint underground and submarine bases of the US military and ET, chapter 10
https://www.docdroid.net/JEKraPV
As does Suzan Hansen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEEaV5HZQuw
American Southwest is the epicenter of secret space programs, Lockheed Martin Skunk Works RCS facility, Helendale, McDonnell Douglas "Llano" RCS facility, Gray Butte and hundreds of similar ones, and this of course includes New Mexico and Arizona, and California, Colorado, Nevada, Texas...........but of course not only the southwest, those bases are everywhere.
Puerto Rico secret space program base
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=2361248497345626&set=a.193173027486528&_rdc=1&_rdr
During our presentation as a speaker in the July 1993 MUFON Symposium we included in our talk details about the existence of an alleged site similar to the S-4 facility that allegedly exists in the Area 51 section of Nellis Air Force base, in Nevada, USA. One of them was based on an experience a young couple of puertorricans had in the area of Pico del Este (the Eastern Peak), in El Yunque Rain Forest.
One night in late February 1991, young Freddie González and his wife, Nilda Cuevas, went to El Yunque rainforest. With them were Nilda's younger brother, who was just a child, and their baby.
They had arrived from New York city, where they lived, an wanted to visit the forest, so they took Freddie's mother's car and headed up into the forest along road 191. Ecstatic with the beauty of the area and its lush vegetation, they reached a point where there was a large opening between the foliage in the area.
The sun was already low in the horizon when Freddie got out of the vehicle to check it and discovered that the opening was a camouflaged gate covered by thick vegetation.
They decided to continue on through the opening, and further along the way were surprised to find themselves driving on a modern, well-paved road. It was already around 7:30 PM.
"From a certain point onward, there were blue light bulbs at the road's edge, on each side," González told us in an interview. "It was like on an airport's runway at night."
He continued his explanation. "At that point we felt a weird sensation. Nilda said that we should go back, but I kept going. The road continued going up between the mountains.
"We kept on going for 2 or more miles, and reached the end of the road. There was a big metallic gate there, and a building behind it some distance away, in the middle of a mountain. Just then, two men wearing strange uniforms showed up and stopped us. They ask who we were and what we were doing there.
"They both stood some six feet tall, dressed in tight fitting, one-piece black suits of a leather-like material, similar to a diver's wet suit. They also wore a wide, black belt. Both of them wore black gloves and black boots with what looked like metallic gold buttons on their sides. These went all the way up to their knees.
"They both also wore big, oval helmets with black visors. You could not see their faces, and I can't explain how they were able to see us as it was getting dark (see drawing). Everything they wore was completely black, except for those golden buttons."
"They ordered us to stop," González added. "Then they told us to get out of the car. Thier voices sounded electronic, muffled. But they both spoke in Spanish language. Maybe their voices sounded like that because of their helmets.
"I got out of the car, but told my wife to remain inside. They asked who we were, and requested our driving licenses and Ids. We gave this to them. They looked at them and gave them back to us.
"They then examined the car's license plate, and one of them examined the bottom part of the car with a long, metallic object like a thin tube that had a mirror on its end. He said that 'everything was O.K'. Why he did that, I truly don't know.
"Then they looked at my wife, our baby, and my brother-in-law, and asked again why we were there. I explained that we wanted to have a look at the rainforest and got lost. The two men talked between themselves in a language that sounded strange, guttural-like, and garbled. I would compare it with the Russian language... or maybe German language.
"One of them left the site and at that moment I saw a car approaching. It was a dark blue pick-up truck, and inside of it were two men dressed in one-piece blue overalls like the ones mechanics use. They were Puerto Ricans, because of their accent. They spoke Spanish, and also asked us who we were and how we had gotten there. They would not talk to the tall man dressed in black, who remained there.
"I noticed that the pick-up's door had a U.S. Navy sign on it and realized, "The Navy? Of course, Navy Roosevelt Roads Station in Ceiba! It is close to the forest!"
The men in the truck looked at my wife and the kids and whispered something to the man dressed in black..."
At that moment, there was a sudden flash of light which came from the direction where the pickup truck had come from. Freddie couldn't help but see it, and he looked in that direction, but had trouble believing what he saw.
"That light," he said, "came from inside a rectangular hollowed out area which seemed to be excavated into the side of the mountain covered by vegetation.
"That rectangular area was actually an opening with big crystal doors, and inside of it was an object similar to a flying saucer! It had a circular shape with windows all around its center (see drawing by the witness).
"I could see it clearly due to the brilliance of the light inside. Some men wearing white lab coats were doing something with the saucer, like electrical soldering, and that was what produced the flashes that called my attention.
"The craft seemed to be about some 30 feet in diameter. It was metallic and silvery. It rested on some supports.
"All of a sudden I realized that I was seeing something that, perhaps, I should not be witnessing and became scared. I looked away. The men apparently were not aware that I had seen the saucer."
One of the men in the pick-up truck told the young couple that they should not be there at that time of night "...because people get lost in the dark and disappear easily in the forest without ever being seen again."
He ordered them to follow them, that they would drive them out of the area. They also instructed them that they could not talk to anyone about what they saw and what happened there."
Afraid, they obeyed, and were escorted out of the area. Once they arrived at Route 191, they began their descent from the mountaintop. The Navy pick-up truck followed them for awhile, and then suddenly disappeared from sight.
Freddie and his wife were very nervous, fearing that because of what they saw in El Yunque the U.S. Government might come after them.
In fact, two days later, while they visited the wife's parents in the town of Canóvanas, everyone present at the place noticed a dark car with four individuals inside of it parked in front of the house. The individuals inside wore fine civilian suits, neckties and dark glasses. They seemed to be watching them. Parked next to the dark car was a military camouflaged truck.
"Someone" was letting them know that they were being watched, and it was obvious to Freddie González and his wife that the reason for that was what they had seen in El Yunque.
According to the couple, Some of the individuals entered the house and talked with them, insisting they should go back with them to El Yunque to discuss something. The couple refused to go, terrified that they might "disappear" in the forest.
Once the men realized that the couple would not go with them, they departed. After this incident, González and his wife left Puerto Rico and moved to the United States, where they still reside.
González believes that the reason they were not taken by the men was due to the children being present at the time. He wonders what would have happened if they were alone that night.
We asked him why they decided to tell us their story, and he replied, "Look, I am conscious of the importance of what we saw up there, as it has many implications. But people should know about it. We deserve to know what is happening. It is our right to know."
We agreed on this with the witness. But, who were the mysterious individuals dressed with the tightfitting black suits and helmets?
Why would they be wearing this type of suit in such a warm and humid environment like the one in El Yunque rainforest?
Were they human beings or of extraterrestrial origin?
Why did they speak at times in a strange, guttural garbled language the witnesses could not identify?
What can be said for sure is that the individuals who removed the couple from the site were driving a pick-up truck labeled as belonging to the U.S. Navy, which again, implies a connection between that US military agency and the UFO situation.
This was one of the many incidents we reported in the July 1993 MUFON Symposium in Virginia.
In recent years there has been a considerable increase in U.S. military presence in the rainforest, and many visitors have been taken out from it at gun point, even when they were not in restricted areas. This was often done in an aggressive manner and without explanation.
Below illustration made by Mr. Freddie González of the object he saw inside the camouflaged facilty and depiction of the guard.
The "abandoned" US Navy base at the top of Pico del Este, the location of the meeting from the last post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pico_del_Este_(Sierra_de_Luquillo)#/media/File:Radar_towers_-_panoramio_(1).jpg
Bill Hamilton's lecture on military-ET underground bases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nADPouWFfSE
And so on infinitely.
Nix
So the technology for overcoming gravity could be conditionally divided into two types. The first is by using moving parts, rotating disks with magnets and coils, as examples we could point to Searl disk and Otis Carr's apparatus... The second type is without moving parts by using specially designed powerful high voltage capacitors separated often in sections and controlled electronically by a computer or other type of control, both types using electromagnetism....As far as I know there was another type of propulsion based on ultrasound through some large flexible diaphragms, later refined and replaced by piezoelectric emitters, but they are probably of a much lower grade than the other types...
The connection between Thomas Townsend Brown and the Nazis through electrogravity is interesting, as Brown is considered to be the father or founder of it, but what if it came from the Nazis?
a link (http://www.manopad.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=83#p409) in Russian in which I have mentioned a connection between a patent and George Adamski's apparatus and also a connection between the propulsion system described by Lazar and a patent by Hector Serrano
for Bob Lazar's intervention it is only because of the device he mentions which is actually some kind of Vril modification, and as for the rest of what he says I absolutely agree with you, just some misinformation, same thing with the TR 3B, just by reading the description "spinning superconducting ring" but in reality the reference to the spinning superconducting plasma ring here I'm 100% sure is related to a massive and heavy coil that is even available in Mark McCandlish's apparatus
interesting is the incident in East Germany around 1989 (https://numendil.ch/numenpub/cosmic-disclosure/s7e22/) that Mark McCandlish describes, which falls right around the case of the Belgian UFO wave and the Belgian triangles
just to add that the connecting link between so-called "free energy" and "antigravity" [electrogravity] is the capacitor
my article for Electrogravity:
http://www.manopad.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=30#p265
a interesting video for Electrogravity project by Eytan Suchard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbmKK1dSOF4&t=40s
Of course, that is a classical division, mechanical system using rotation or counterrotation and solid state systems and i have studied to infinite depths. Sure, for Searl and Carr are examples of mechanical approach, but not all mechanical ones use coils, it may simply be cone shaped magnets. It may be simply a counterrotating disk of copper and zinc that
floated as reported on KeelyNET about an alleged device from UK if i remember correctly. Hamel also used a cone shaped granit spinning inside a magnetic field (photo below) and so on infinitely.
As for solid state approach, TT Brown HV pulses, heavy, high k dielectric cap method is a well known one but that is not a primary solid state method. Brown used stacked capacitors in his first design but later changed into into umbrella shapes, in fact he had a 16 foot model (i got photos) but it's unclear if that one ever flew. No need to control them electronically by a computer timing can be achieved in various ways, both analog and digital, and of course both types using electromagnetism for all there is is play of electro (male) and magnetism (female) spiraling around the insulating G-line of Intelligence (I AM).......
Levitation can be induced in such way with extreme voltages and sharp rise time pulses of proper frequency and thin plates/cylinders of appropriate material and geometry, but when we talk solid state artificial gravity fields key word is resonance for gravity field is by definition a Resonating EM field - as told to George Hunt Williamson, an early contactee. First 3 forces being electrostatic, static magnetic and electromagnetic (herzian), while forth is the life giving force, like that of a planet or a living being, and it is not just gravity, gravity is just one of effects of that life-field. More on that in a second. So main principle in generation of REF (gravity) is resonant bucking aka scalar interferometery aka neutralization of herzian waves, Bearden explains it here and this is nothing new, this was known forever, in fact this is how time-space itself is created as i explain on the blog below.
https://youtu.be/9rd-iQhhr3o?t=569
https://vril12.wordpress.com/vrilya-dharma/
The key of keys, the point of points is that ALL is made of Universal Currents (as Rota named them). These subtle streams penetrate everything, as nicely summarized in Etidorhpa
Ϟ Ϟ All materials known to man are of coarse texture, and the minds of men are not yet in a condition to comprehend finer exhibitions of force, or of motion modifications. Pure energy, in all its modifications, is absolutely unknown to man. What men call heat, gravitation, light, electricity, and magnetism are the grosser attributes attending alterations in an unknown, attenuated, highly developed force producer. They are results, not causes. The real force, an unreached energy, is now flooding all space, pervading all materials. Everywhere there exists an infinite sea of motion absolute. Since this primeval entity can not now affect matter, as matter is known to man, man's sense can only be influenced by secondary attributes of this energy. Unconscious of its all-pervading presence, however, man is working towards the power that will some day, upon the development of latent senses, open to him this new world. Then at last he will move without muscular exertion, or the use of heat as an agent of motion, and will, as I am now doing, bridle the motion of space. Wherever he may be situated, there will then be warmth to any degree that he wishes, for he will be able to temper the seasons, and mass motion illimitable, also, for this energy, I reiterate, is omnipresent. – Etiodrhpa Ϟ Ϟ
And gravity field which is a first child of these subtle streams is but a local polarization, a dipole, in these Universal Currents, all centers are, suns, galaxies, universes....all is but gravity fields within gravity fields, in fact nothing else exists but gravity fields (as told by Zirbes in his great FALLING BODIES THEORY)....there is so much to know and people don't dig deep enough.
But it can be summarized that there are 3 main streams that make up the gravitational vortex, primary stream is spiraling toward the east from inside the planet outward to the edge of the vortex which is in case of Earth just beyond the orbit of the Moon and then they return back into poles, vortex becomes REPULSIVE beyond that edge, that magnetic barrier, that Chinvat Bridge beyond the Moon. As all bodies falling in gravitational vortexes pile up ether on the front side which causes them to start spinning due to difference in pressure and as they start to spin they spontaneously develop a gravity field of their own which repels the parent field and the balance of attraction and repulsion establishes an orbit.
There are also two vertical magnetic streams, one is what is called "gravity" pressing all things toward the center, this force is coming from the sun and other positive radiating centers and is associated with light and heat (which are created locally in the atmosphere and sun is invisible in space), and another at 1/3 higher frequency returning energy to the sun, this negative side of gravity aka levitation is associated with cold and darkness and this is what is meant in the Bible by that Job knew the treasures of the hail, this is the Maxin Light, the cold breeze on top of the head of activated kundalini, of mystic adepts, this is the cold felt in presence of astral beings aka 'ghosts', this is the cold always felt when artificial gravity fields are created as reported by Keely and countless others, for, as Zirbes explains, this field, this vortex sucks in all kinds of energy at the poles, both herzian and neutral, and transmutes them, radiating at the equator, as drawn by Carr which is in fact work of Russell, but Keely described and perfected the technology 50+ years before.
Further on, so when we talk gravity control, there is an important distinction between mere degravitation (no gravity field or weak gravity field around an object) and true artificial gravity field. Both have been known to Adepts in secret lodges since time of Atlantis and long before.
Moreover, in modern times degravitation has been stumbled upon by few rare inventors like these two reports from 1897. which clearly speak of the same dark bearded captain flying around with his wife and son at night, who inherited the principle from his late uncle who stumbled upon it in 1870.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/mystery-airships-of-1896-7/
This is 50 years before TT Brown and infinitely more advanced for, as he says..
"Weight is no object to me. I suspend all gravitation by placing a small wire round an object"
Ultrasound and sound in general as Keely and others used it can induce levitation. It all comes down to increasing the atomic speed of three phases of energy which make up the proton. Once its speed is accelerated it flipps for it becomes invisible to positive flow and starts to resist the negative one. Countless legends speak of levitation of stones and craft with sound. And piezoelectric emitters are crystals and crystals are closely associated with these subtle phenomena, one example is Kowsky Frost Antigravity Experiment etc.
I would not place any particular connection between TT Brown's electrogravity and Nazis for Nazis were lightyears ahead of anything Brown did, when he just started to experiment with his gravitator blocks, Nazis were already testing actual counterrotating propulsion systems for future JFM and later Vril and Haunebu spacecraft. But it did not come from Nazis, there is nothing new about any of this, as i said, certain occult lodges, both white and black ones ALWAYS had so called flying saucers and mapped the Earth millenia ago, held meetings on the Moon, were in constant coops with ETs etc.
I am aware of such attempts to draw correlations between George Adamski's apparatus and also a connection between the propulsion system described by Lazar and a patent by Hector Serrano and other similar reports, but they clearly did not even figure out whole 115 story is a scam and they omit all the key things i speak about, things are just very different than most think.
Question is if saucers as described by LIElazar exist since he is almost certainly a cont-intel agent but in case they do they are in any case some kind of Vril modification as Vril modifications are all there exists, on various energy levels and sub-types of disturbances of primary flows.
And ofc TR 3B is also disinfo, i have been saying that for 10 years, mercury at 250,000 atmospheres to achieve 90% weight reduction, just ridiculous.
It can be interpreted as superconducting plasma ring as indeed in the core of ARV is a container with a mercury plasma vortex and according to Renato Vesco Haunebu used "Marconi Ball Dynamo" which was a spherical container with counterrotating flywheels, presumably filled with mercury plasma as well.
As for saucers in post war Germany these photos at the bottom are Claimed Flying Disc of the Bundeswehr FU 1 (Fliegende Untertasse 1), from 70s.
As for "link between so-called "free energy" and "antigravity" [electrogravity] is the capacitor", capacitor is a captor for negative energy, and can produce gravitational effects, so in that sense link is correct and i knew that for untold years, but is not the only link. Same link can be produced by an inductor.
I have already shared much of my research into electrogravity around here over the years, some things i don't reveal yet. I have infinite amounts of information about this, infinite research, infinite correlations, it is important to have all the key knowledge which is often very hard to find and even more to deeply understand the principles i noted above and reach a level of mastery of electronics and engineering. I revealed A LOT but i also don't reveal a lot, it would not mean much anyway to someone who has not reached an adequate energy level to use the knowledge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfGUoea_kAU
Interview with Marcus Hollingshead who lifted tons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d7jpd4NjHo
Nix
I will also share something a guy from New Zealand told me 5-6 years ago, just to show the simplicity of it.
May those with eyes to see see, may others dismiss it. So guy told me that 20 years ago his mother was with
a friend in a technical museum, i am not sure if he said he was from Auckland, i am almost sure he did.
And there was at display this 19th century 'bike' but not ordinary bike and its purpose is hard to guess,
probably some kind of exercise bike maybe. Instead of wheels it had two massive flywheels orthogonal
to each other, so one horizontal and one vertical above it. Her friend (guy) for fun jumped on it and started
pedalling like crazy and then it happened. Bike rose into the air and then tilted at 90 degrees on its side
while he was still pedalling clearly inside his own gravity field and then it went forward and crashed.
He was not hurt but they were kicked out from the museum.
Nix
@perpetual
I wish there was more information available about that situation and story!
It sounds sort of like the MOTAT (Museum of Transport and Technology) in Auckland. . . .
@truesearch
I wish too, especially which metal/alloy were the flywheels made of and the size of flywheels etc.
I corresponded with MOTAT they said they don't have such bike, which does not mean they didn't 25 years ago.
Quote
"I am happy to have a look through the object list for the exhibition, but can confirm this is not something
we hold in the MOTAT Collection. I'll be in touch tomorrow after taking a look at the list of items on display."
I have now just checked guy's FB page, all his friends are from Auckland so pretty certain he is from there.
I asked ChatGTP is there any other technical museum in Auckland except MOTAT
ChatGPT's responese
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Yes, there are a few other technical museums in Auckland apart from MOTAT. Here are some of them:
New Zealand Maritime Museum: This museum is located in the Viaduct Harbour and focuses on New Zealand's
maritime history, including exploration, trade, and immigration.
Auckland Transport Historical Society: This museum is located in Henderson and features exhibits and collections
related to the history of public transport in Auckland, including trams, buses, and trains.
Torpedo Bay Navy Museum: This museum is located in Devonport and tells the story of the Royal New Zealand Navy,
from its beginnings to the present day.
Howick Historical Village: This museum is located in Howick and is a living history museum that recreates a 19th-century
village, complete with historic buildings, costumed interpreters, and period demonstrations.
Stardome Observatory and Planetarium: This museum is located in One Tree Hill and features a planetarium, observatory,
and interactive exhibits that explore the wonders of space and astronomy.
These are just a few examples of the technical museums in Auckland. There are many other museums in the city that focus
on different aspects of science, technology, and history, so there is something for everyone to explore and learn from.
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Nix
some time ago I came across some materials about mysterious drones detected over the skies of some regions in the USA, Mexico, etc. and later determined to be a hoax. Subsequently, it turned out that there are some classified documents on this topic that describe a technology so advanced that our minds cannot assimilate it, as it refers to the execution of machine code without the need for hardware and a number of other features...
The person who wrote this piece says that they have made some progress in "deciphering" the alien artifacts, but at this stage he dare not share any more details. In general, things can be compared to, for example, a 5-year-old child becoming a self-taught expert in the arrangement and control of shuttles. This technology is too far from us.
The photo document looks at two types of artifacts - an anti-gravity generator (the spiky thing made up of spheroids) and the two identical arc-shaped items. They have no moving parts. When the arc elements are placed on the sides of the generator (in a specific mode of it), the former "lock" in the air at a given distance, thus the three objects now act as one. At the same time, the space between them remains completely normal, non-resistant to any passing matter. It is mentioned here that the anti-gravity force is not only used as propulsion, but also as a kind of shield against space debris or any kind of projectile weapons. It can also be used in "pairing" mode by combining multiple objects into one with or without space between them. It is mentioned that their ships are also constructed in this way - all the machinery inside, as well as the hull, are paired in this way, without using methods such as welding or various fasteners. They seem to work with both poles of gravity (hill and valley/repulsion and attraction) and any intermediate states.
The other document describes the role of the symbols and the material of the artifacts on which they are depicted. This goes beyond all logic. Example - the computers we know require hardware and software. Software code written on a piece of paper doesn't do any work without being entered into the computer. With their technology, however, it does. Specific symbols written on a special material of a certain shape and in the presence of a certain field makes that element function in a certain way. There are no familiar parts like memories or hard drives in these elements. They are solid like a rock or a cast metal item. When they broke an artifact into pieces, no matter how small they were, each one performed the same function as a whole artifact. They call this matter a "holographic computing substrate." Although each particle has its own computing power, put together they form a non-linearly growing computing system. For example, four elements collected together will have a total potential of more than four times the potential of a single element. The author constantly puts their "language" of symbols in quotation marks because it is quite different from our understanding of language. Depending on the context, one symbol can be read as a single bit of information, while another can represent the entire human genome or a galactic map. While our symbols need reading (whether by a human or a computer), theirs has a fusion of symbol and meaning, and it will do what it needs to do without the need for an outside observer. Quite confusing...
according to Paul Hellyer's article (https://disk.yandex.ru/i/Z61_8ta94WxPZA), the technology in question is the work of some race called the "Ramay", but is this really the case?
https://i.imgur.com/jRkk03Y.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/jRkk03Y.jpg)
I am also attaching an image of some map or schematic with symbols:
https://i.imgur.com/qOf8u3d.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/qOf8u3d.jpg)
and a video on the subject:
https://youtu.be/R894vgSp9gk
One more out of countless examples. Exact source unknown.
https://antigravitypower.tripod.com/exper.html
"About 10 years ago, a man was caught too close to a sudden outburst of volcanic activity
on the island of Hawaii. He was escaping in his car down the volcanic mountain when the
car blew a tire. He had to stop to change the tire so he could continue his fast escape.
When he opened his car trunk to get his spare tire, his tire iron "Floated" out of the trunk
!!! He was able to grab his tire iron, change the blown tire, and make good his escape. "
In screenshots below are few details from (and i could list more) Bob LIEzar that clearly
show he is a disinfo agent who mixed some real valuable truths with fake (115) elements
to distract from the truth.
This what he says about phasing for repulsion/attraction between gravity fields is similar to
what has been confirmed in contactee case of Dino Kraspedon (real name Aladino Félix),
quote:
Without this artificial ether no interplanetary voyage is possible. If you tried to
make a journey without this precaution, you would face certain death. The fluid
which binds you to your bodies would leave you, and your bodies would instantly
be crystallised. This is the mystery of the crystallised bodies which reach the Earth
in the form of meteorites, any body in space without ether undergoes this process,
whether it be made of carbon, calcium, iron, nickel, or any other element.
After passing out of the magnetic field of the Earth, all we need to do is to create an
ether similar to that of the planet to which we are travelling, and we will then be
attracted by it. We can create this ether of another planet even on Earth, so that we
will be repelled from Earth and attracted to the other planet whose ether is
contained within the saucer.
On reaching that planet, we need only to change the ether again to propel ourselves
once more into space.
The audiobook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmYg-lZzDSU
Book also confirms what has been first said in Oahspe and later in case of Zirbes, that
Earth's etheric covering aka Earth's gravitational vortex extends just beyond the Moon,
exactly 250,000 miles (402,000km). And George Van Tassel confirms this etheric
covering is spinning in opposite direction to Earth, meaning toward the west. But question
is whether it spins in different direction at different latitudes, which might be indicated by
the wind directions as shown in diagram below.
Using phasing of created gravity field to attract repel the lines of force present in all
space has been told to George Van Tassel.
The speed of light, established at 186,000 miles per second, is
not its speed. It is the speed of the positive "A" lines of force that
extend throughout space. The speed of the negative "B" lines of force,
at 90' to the positive lines, is 202,000 miles per second. The speed of
magnetism is the combined speeds of the positive and negative lines of
force, or 388,000 miles per second. The difference between the positive
and negative lines of force is 16,000 miles per second.
The space craft use this differential to cycle or phase their power.
This accounts for their appearance of skipping. Their ships are caused
to attract or repel the lines of force which are at right angles to
their direction of travel.
Regarding these values for speeds of light given to him, i discovered
their relations are completely based on sacred number 9!
388/202=1.920792079207920792079207920792079207...
9207 is repeated ad infinitum, numerically 9
388/186=2.086021505376344086021505376344...
086021505376344 is repeated ad infinitum, numerically 9
202/186=1.086021505376344086021505376344... Same streak!!
086021505376344 is repeated ad infinitum, numerically 9
Probability of this above being as is is practically infinitely small.
Not only all their relations return repeating pattern which is numerically
equal to 9 but last two relations return the exact SAME pattern.
9 is the key to magnetism and everything cause God/Self uses a decimal
system, there is no higher than 9. It's not an accident that proton is 1836
times heavier than electron. Etc. ALL is phi, ALL is 9.
Same thing (about gravity phasing) in different words has been told to
contactee Rolf Telano
"Primary drive" is the only true space drive, aside from teleportation. It
consists of mechanism, which will place the craft into synchronous frequency
with the primary energy flows which permeate all the Universe, but slightly
out of phase with them. The speed is theoretically unlimited with the speed of
sound. In actual practice the maximum speed when using "primary drive"
depends largely upon the skill of the operator in controlling the craft, and upon
the degree of phase angle which can be applied, and that depends on the
amount of "shading power" which the craft can supply.
Etc
Below is also a quote from Magic Bag which confirms density of ether is
lesser in space. Last sentence is not to be taken literally, ether obviously
can be disturbed, but with special methods only, most kinds of energy
do not affect it significantly. Then again there are different orders of ether
and picture is complex. Lower orders of ether are affected by everything.
Shape power etc.
For anyone who wants to understand how gravitational fields are created
i recommend to read Zirbes' book.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/wy6y9h9uop3ff79/zirbes.pdf/file
He was shown (by ETs) Earth's gravity vortex spinning in one direction,
as shown below, but again, one has to keep in mind, there are etheric
streams of various orders and from many occult sources we know they
do flow in various directions.
I will also remind Light and Heat are created locally in the atmosphere.
Sun is nearly invisible in space.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/light-and-heat-are-created-in-the-atmospheres/
All these are slightly different views at the same 'thing'. It all comes down to the fact
ALL is made out of Universal Currents and all that really exists are gravity fields within
gravity fields within gravity fields and so on ad infinitum.
Nix
"388/186=2.086021505376344086021505376344...
086021505376344 is repeated ad infinitum, numerically 9
202/186=1.086021505376344086021505376344... Same streak!!
086021505376344 is repeated ad infinitum, numerically 9"
I can give you infinitely more such streaks. Just like you, I'd just add or deduct 186 on the left side. Will work every single time.
The rest I didn't read yet, I just have an eye for these things it seems.
Firstly, first two values are a 186 and 202.
Out of all possible numbers, second one is 202. And third is the sum of the two.
And all their relations are patterns which are numerically 9. Random numbers will not do this.
And i tried adding 186 which does not disprove anything since it is again based on the given
values, not random ones.
For 574/202 = 2.84158415841584158415
there is indeed a repeating pattern 8415 which is 9.
And for 574/388 result is too big, but i found a pattern in it
1.479381443298969072164948453608247
4226804123711340206185567010309278350515463917525773195876288659
79381443298969072164948453608247
79381443298969072164948453608247 is repeating and it is digit sum 9,
and between it is 4226804123711340206185567010309278350515463917525773195876288659 which is also digit sum 9
But they are clearly not part of one repeating digit sum 9 sequence. There is a 4
at the beginning that removes this possibility.
And even if they were, which they are not, it would not disprove anything,
you are using the given numbers, you cannot get this with any numbers.
It would be wiser for you to read everything slowly many times,
but i am not surprised you cannot recognize these Truths.
Nix
I just found the calculator i've been looking for which allows you to have up to 10000 digits.
https://www.calculator.net/big-number-calculator.html
Indeed, except for the starting number 4, 574/388 is repeating
793814432989690721649484536082474226804123711340206185567010309278350515
463917525773195876288659
which is 9
And 574/186 is repeating 086021505376344 which is 9
I tried also for 574+186, that is, 760
760/186 is repeating 086021505376344 which is 9, same pattern as for 388/186 and 202/186
I tried also to add 388+202, that is, 590
590/186 is repeating pattern 172043010752688 which is 9
No need to calculate more, pattern is there.
Then i picked totally random numbers
32421/3412 and after the 9.50 there is a repeating pattern
205158264947245017584994138335287221570926143024618991793669402110199296600234
466588511137162954279015240328253223915592028135990621336459554513481828839390
386869871043376318874560375146541617819460726846424384525
which is 9. So, i have to admit Cloxxki is right about this, well, technically he is not right since it works for all number not just "just add or deduct 186", it must be the property of decimal system. Whichever numbers are divided, there is some unique few digit result and then there is an infinite pattern which is, it seems, always digit sum 9.
I withdraw my implication that this alone proves speeds of light as given to George Van Tassel are valid, however, nonetheless time will show they are valid for it is a real case and George did not lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZbFsFWk__c
some things about ARV FLUXLINER (https://disk.yandex.ru/d/88q-7ook_n18WQ) and other similar apparatus
NASA STS75 mission and Mark McCandlish ARV Fluxlinner UFO (https://i.imgur.com/f9ieUIt.gif)
p.s. the ARV FLUXLINER aparatus is powered by submarine batteries
I been sharing ARV Fluxliner, as well as Nazi, Adamski and other contactee saucers,
and patents etc for years. Patents are useless, most of those people did not make
anything that flies. ARV documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afLsRsd5roY
Nazi field propelled saucers and contactee info is the best of the best.
Bob LIEzar is a liar (altho he mixes some bits of truth in there) and almost
certainly a payed disinfo agent. My old video on gravity control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfGUoea_kAU
Since gravity is my primary field of r&d i could say
much more but some things are not for public yet.
For those with eyes to see i said more that enough.
According to W56 field around a (their) saucer is shaped like this
(deformed/wider toward the bottom due to electrostatic field)
But in general, when we talk gravity fields/vortices (like that of
a planet) it follows the shape of a planet
so we are talking slightly flattened ball.
very important!, the gravitational anomaly is observed only in the dynamic process of charge and discharge of the capacitor, in static mode it is not observed
in the Lifter consturction, when fed by a constant high voltage, a dynamic process takes place between the two electrodes in an air environment, and when we put a solid dielectric, the dynamic process stops, in which a static state is established, in which there is no motive force. But if we apply an alternating or pulsating high voltage to a asymmetric capacitor with solid dielectric, the gravitational anomaly will reappear. It was found that the ratio is about 1 gram = 1 watt, but since the capacitor is a reactive component, reactive power flows in it, which means 1 gram = 1 volt/amp or 1Volt Amper Reactive [VAr] and hence it would be easy to calculate what power was required for the corresponding lifting force...
You may be familiar with the work of Dr. Stoyan Sarg regarding overcoming air resistance by applying a high-voltage charge, this technology is applied in practice at trucks where such devices are installed that reduce air resistance
p.s. I have some reservations about the plausibility of the Lifter experiment in a vacuum chamber. I have discussed this with scientists, but they do not understand and end up using Occam's razor as an argument ... Their misunderstanding lies in the fact that they do not see the difference between vacuum and matter, and the Lifter consists of two parts: two electrodes and a dielectric of air material, when it is placed in the vacuum chamber, it loses its material dielectric and it is no longer an Lifter, and scientists do not understand this and say that vacuum is also a dielectric. Vacuum is also a dielectric, but it is inmaterial, and a material dielectric is needed here for the plausibility of the experiment, so vacuum as a dielectric for the Lifter is not relevant here. I propose to do an experiment similar to a Matryoshka: we have a air balloon in which the lifter is located, this balloon hangs on a rope and is in a vacuum chamber, so the experiment will be correct, something similar to the attachment below
It can be static.
Plasma scientist trying to get funds and a team together for plasma gravitational wave electric propulsion research and development.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0jdg3VzBunEdKzzyuAEJK8UdXvVZPE5d5XAx6YgubAErqRdqXQtThQVtGGt8vcrV9l&id=100052389615406&mibextid=Nif5oz
"USS Eldridge" [DE-173] like prototype of the "ARV Flux Liner"...
Quote from: x_name41 on May 22, 2023, 02:25:36 AM
some things about ARV FLUXLINER (https://disk.yandex.ru/d/88q-7ook_n18WQ) and other similar apparatus
I have my doubts about the picture called 'Flying saucer' and labelled:
(https://overunity.com/Themes/default/images/icons/clip.gif) NAZI Adamski UFO.jpg (https://overunity.com/19453/ufos-as-the-nazi-legacy/dlattach/attach/191259/) (264.58 kB, 787x1266 - viewed 205 times.)
If you compare the lighting highlights on the main dome to those on the left hand circular orb, there is an inconsistency. In practice, what lighting sauce would have lit the orb?
those balls down there are under high voltage so it's normal...
in addition, there are optical effects in the presence of gravitational distortion from the propulsion system, they can be in the form of a haze, similar to flickering hot air over asphalt on a sunny day, image distortion and etc
UFO apparatus with three high power high voltage capacitor balls below (https://i.imgur.com/Qttsw7H.gif)
Doubts about Adamski's saucer photo are well founded, i have studied Adamski to infinite depths,
read all his books and pamphlets, interviews and even partially books about him written by
other people.
There is no doubt, no doubt underlined, he was a real contactee, but also, there is no doubt,
no doubt underlined, that many of photos and videos he published are 100% absolutely fake.
Why he did this is anyone's guess, my guess is it is a classical filtration system, when big truths
are revealed to public that is mostly not ready for it, intentional mistakes are made so all but
most sincere, most discerning and most relentless seekers, dismiss the whole thing.
For example his most replayed saucer footage below is obvious and shameless fake.
https://youtu.be/WlB_lMYi14s?t=2335
As for the photo above i always thought it is a model, a fake. It just looks exactly like a small
model would, nearly 100% certainty it's a fake.
He did however publish a number of real photos and videos too. Few examples below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeZoD9T-Aro
BTW Adamski was not the first to describe saucers with 3 balls underneath, nor cigar shaped etc.
Drake did it before and others before him.
Adamski said those balls are capacitors for directional flight (strong electrostatic field shaping the
gravitational field) and this was confirmed in another real case W56 (Stefano Breccia) etc.
BTW in his first book Pioneers from space Adamski described a big lake on the far side of the
Moon into which rivers pour, he described conditions no much different from Earth, all these
things i and those in the know know to be factual, he knew, he wasn't making it up. As he
revealed to his friend in a latter below, he visited those places in the astral body.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/moon-secrets-revealed/
It goes on and on infinitely. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever Adamski spoke the truth
and nothing but the truth and the fact he, like some other contactees, faked some of his photos
and videos, does not detract from his truthfulness one iota (for those with eyes to see).
Adamski books
https://www.mediafire.com/file/e6k0fvoxqsxu156/ADAMSKI.zip/file
Quote from: kolbacict on June 06, 2023, 06:11:49 AM
Does the so-called spontaneous human combustion happen ? Or it's lies? :)
They say there was such a case in Minsk, and there are living witnesses.
https://www-fern--flower-org.translate.goog/ru/facts/fact-1569851687?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en (https://www-fern--flower-org.translate.goog/ru/facts/fact-1569851687?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en)
Quote from: kolbacict on June 07, 2023, 11:50:16 AMNo power lines at all. :)
Well, on the one hand, the tenants of the house were lucky.
They could placed wire along the long roof of the house, and use the induced electricity.
how do you have no free energy ? ;D
And another leak of US military saucers, really based on Nazi saucers.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12177943/amp/Marine-vet-breaks-14-year-silence-make-astonishing-claim-six-man-unit-saw-UFO.html
Quote from: nix85 on June 10, 2023, 07:14:17 AM
And another leak of US military saucers, really based on Nazi saucers.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12177943/amp/Marine-vet-breaks-14-year-silence-make-astonishing-claim-six-man-unit-saw-UFO.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12177943/amp/Marine-vet-breaks-14-year-silence-make-astonishing-claim-six-man-unit-saw-UFO.html)
Another poor quality faked photo. The lighting highlights are all inconsistent with each other.
Quote from: Paul-R on June 10, 2023, 05:49:28 PM
Another poor quality faked photo. The lighting highlights are all inconsistent with each other.
Those are obviously drawings, not photos.
Quote from: Sergh on June 08, 2023, 02:55:01 AM
Does the so-called spontaneous human combustion happen ? Or it's lies? :)
In any case, I would like to end my earthly life in this way. So that no one touches and mocks the body. People are hypocritical, sincere manifestations of feelings are rare. :D
Quote from: x_name41 on June 19, 2023, 10:33:12 AM
I'm sorry, but let the administration answer the question of why it did not respond adequately to the spam in my thread, about which I had previously notified it?
Complaint about spam on the topic of spontaneous combustion of people:
https://overunity.com/19453/ufos-as-the-nazi-legacy/msg578710/#msg578710
I'm sorry, I didn't know you weren't familiar with this popular version that UFO passengers somehow initiate spontaneous combustion of people to eliminate unnecessary witnesses. The visualization of this version was in the series X-files.
If you asked, I would answer you.
kolbacict found a website listing many cases of spontaneous human combustion and gave an example of a single case. I proved to him that a high-voltage power line passed too close to the building at that time. In this particular case, high voltage could pass to the reinforcement of a reinforced concrete building and cause a powerful electric arc.
No one asked a question - but there are many more cases listed in the database, are they all from breakdowns of power lines?
x_name41, what is your opinion?
What could be the reasons for such a burning of people? How can UFO pilots, aliens or Nazis do this?
I know one of the hypothetical versions and I would like to discuss it here. Therefore, the topic was not chosen by chance and this is not spam.
Interesting?
People are slowly waking up to ET presence, governments are slowly coming forward...
THE LEAST you can do to prepare yourself for the coming times is read first hand experiences with those people visiting us since forever. And luckily for you i have picked three best, most fun to read (it will be impossible for you to "put the book down" once you start reading them) contactee books and packed them into one zip.
UFO Contact from the planet Arian of Alderbaron by Martin Wiesengruen
A Spacewoman Speaks by Rolf Telano
A Day with an Extraterrestrial by Lou Baldin
https://www.mediafire.com/file/q1tda0l3h5pngck/contactees.zip/file
Quote from: Sergh on June 19, 2023, 12:12:42 PM
x_name41, what is your opinion?
What could be the reasons for such a burning of people? How can UFO pilots, aliens or Nazis do this?
I know one of the hypothetical versions and I would like to discuss it here. Therefore, the topic was not chosen by chance and this is not spam.
Interesting?
ok, anyway, I'll answer you this way: it is possible that there is a connection between the lighting of the so-called "grace fire", the lighting of the fire in the bohemian forest..., and spontaneous self-immolation of people, but I'm not too sure.
p.s. and by the way how many people have left this world in one way or another regarding the UFO issue. Here Mark McCandlish was one of them, with whom I had a correspondence of mutual interest shortly before he departed this world. But Bob Lazar is alive at the same time, or not?
With respect to Mark McCandlish. He was an excellent iIlustrator but I wish he hadn't thrown in his own interpretations regarding the ARVs operation (tesla coils, zero point energy, mercury vortexes). The Arv as shown is quite elegant in that it integrates other functionallity necessary for space travel by implementing the drive system the way it does. The thing is, its opertaional concept is quite simple. The Nazi craft, Arv, and Carr were all effectively using the same principle just different implementations. These devices are space travel 101 and not antigravity, but throwing in those terms listed before kind of obscured/detracted from us understanding it.
Quote from: x_name41 on June 19, 2023, 01:27:37 PM
ok, anyway,
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=microwave+pyrolysis
Quote from: phoneboy on June 19, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
With respect to Mark McCandlish. He was an excellent iIlustrator but I wish he hadn't thrown in his own interpretations regarding the ARVs operation (tesla coils, zero point energy, mercury vortexes). The Arv as shown is quite elegant in that it integrates other functionallity necessary for space travel by implementing the drive system the way it does. The thing is, its opertaional concept is quite simple. The Nazi craft, Arv, and Carr were all effectively using the same principle just different implementations. These devices are space travel 101 and not antigravity, but throwing in those terms listed before kind of obscured/detracted from us understanding it.
The ARV / Fluxliner was indeed the real deal. I have been on the phone with Brad Sorensen and shared text messages with him on several occasions. All of McCandlish's info comes from Brad, but Brad does not speak publicly on the event, and apparently he lost all respect for McCandlish for selling out.
I have questioned Brad on Overunity several times, and although he is secretive, the most I got out of him was that "quick / small distance reciprocation can lead to something"..
Here is some of Brad's work- https://www.bradsorensen.com/
Quote from: floodrod on June 21, 2023, 07:04:28 AM
The ARV / Fluxliner was indeed the real deal. I have been on the phone with Brad Sorensen and shared text messages with him on several occasions. All of McCandlish's info comes from Brad, but Brad does not speak publicly on the event, and apparently he lost all respect for McCandlish for selling out.
I have questioned Brad on Overunity several times, and although he is secretive, the most I got out of him was that "quick / small distance reciprocation can lead to something"..
Here is some of Brad's work- https://www.bradsorensen.com/ (https://www.bradsorensen.com/)
Definitely agree the ARV is the real deal. It's 101 tech but I doubt anyone would have put the pieces together without help. Guess someone/something decided to throw us a bone. One thing I don't get though, is how folks look @ these drawings/diagrams and can't see them for what they are, think about what tech was available at that time, but instead come up with these wacko theories. It's all for the best though that THEY wrap up this tech, look @ people/our societies today it would just cause more problems. Some of the crap that goes on in these forums is a perfect example.
I don't see anything extraterrestrial in this technology, classic high-voltage electrical engineering, which only offers a different [from the classic official and generally accepted] design approach in the used power electronic passive components, thanks to which all those effects and possibilities inherent in UFOs are possible...
I have shared this photo before, but it is important to remind how extremely advanced Nazi technology really was, pilot (probably one of Vril maidens, probably Marija herself) is seen wearing a headband with two protrusions, we are talking mental control of a progravity craft whenever the photo was taken probably around 1934., possibly earlier. They were waaaay ahead of US and Russia and almost everyone else (there are indications Marconi worked with same tech), it took US and Russia almost 10 years after the war ended to get the rudimentary progravity craft off the ground, as Ujvari case from 1954. shows etc
https://overunity.com/19453/ufos-as-the-nazi-legacy/msg577247/#msg577247
Not to mention the FBI paper etc.
https://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%2012%20of%2016/view?fbclid=IwAR3RyYoTW5fJxh0KCT2boe2Tql_q79IefTrf8L1QyhgvKQ70cfbE6uizuA4#document/p88
More on secret nazi tech under NAZI SECRETS
https://vril12.wordpress.com/
I also spoke of the uncle who stumbled on principle of degravitation in 1870., but his nephew's craft who put it into practice did not have a field around it unlike Vril and Haunebu disks which were true primary drive spacecraft, when put in water they did not get wet for the field repelled the water around it, they did not suffer sonic boom for air is pushed aside by the gravity field etc.
Nazis were SO far ahead, SO far ahead underlined, average joe on this planet will not understand it probably for next 100 years or more.
Of course they were not ahead of secret brotherhoods in remote retreats who always had this tech in yet more advanced form, such as spoken of in Guy Ballard's books etc.
As Håkan Blomqvist writes in his article about Richard Kieninger who had contact with some of these secret societies
https://ufoarchives.blogspot.com/2015/06/richard-kieninger-ufos-and-esoteric.html
This statement was an elaborate and somewhat novel addition to the Esoteric Tradition on Vimanas as presented by Blavatsky, Bailey, Laurency a. o. These classic esotericists mention aircraft used by adepts in Atlantis but not in our age. I have only found two additonal sources referring to flying saucers used by secret brotherhoods today. The most well-known is a quote from American contactee Howard Menger´s book From Outer Space To You (1959): "There are also spacecraft, though of inferior design, which are built by people of this planet. These people are in communication and in service with people from other planets. They are people who possess a high spiritual understanding and have reached an awareness of natural law; therefore they have been entrusted with information enabling them to construct such craft."
The second source is an obscure article, UFO and the Black Lodge, published in Ray Palmer´s Search Magazine, April 1958 and written under the pen name Devananda. This unknown author states: "Flying Aircraft are as old as Atlantis and Lemuria. They have always moved in our skies and have always been seen by men. Both the White and Black Lodges use them and have always employed them for work in the world... Some are etheric, appearing and disappearing, and some are solid metals. The Adepts themselves, or their pupils, are often at the controls, but more commonly robots are used." I have for many years tried to find the real name of Devananda, without success. In 1985 I wrote to Palmer Publications in Amherst, Wisconsin but their files and records from the 1950s "are no longer aviable". The small ad published in Fate Magazine, January 1957, indicates that Devananda lived in the Chicago area.
There was one essay, Space Vehicles, Travelers, written by Mr. Kieninger, which I found profoundly intriguing. Written originally in 1966 and republished in the booklet Observations (1971) it stated regarding flying saucers: "... some are interplanetary vehicles, others are of earthly origin. The ones which are from this planet are saucer-shaped of generally trapezoidal cross-section with three hemispherical engine pods on the underside. They were first developed by man on this planet about 20,000 years ago and have been used by members of the Lesser Brotherhoods continuously since that time."
....
Of course they were not first developed by man on this planet about 20,000 years ago, but many millions of years ago.
As our neighbours from Venus told contactee Rolf Telano
"'Concerning the Moon, etc. (Para. 22): There is no race which permanently inhabits the Moon. But the Moon has been used for ages (on its "dark side") as a meeting ground, for scientific work, and for many meetings of occult or secret Orders. Yes, signals have been sent to your earth from the Moon, The incidents described (accidents to the Lunar flight, the help by the Viknor carrier, etc.) actually occurred."
And then there is the story of Hav-Musuvs.
Louise Taylor Hansen spent decades of her life compiling these legends after attending a council of North American Indian tribes as a teenager circa in 1917. She wrote the following story under penname Oga-Make under title "TRIBAL MEMORIES OF THE FLYING SAUCERS", which appeared in the Sept. 1949 issue of FATE magazine.
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_races03a.htm
Coincidentally or not, this same 'legend' was repeated in amazing similarity by an old prospector by the name of Bourke Lee in his book "DEATH VALLEY MEN" (Macmillan Co., New York, 1932).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJDULkij3tA
https://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/panamintroglodytropolis.html
MYSTERY OF MYSTERIES - THE KING OF THE WORLD
(the fragment from the book of "Beasts, Men and Gods") A. Ossendowski
THE SUBTERRANEAN KINGDOM
Prince Chultun Beyli added: "This kingdom is Agharti. It extends throughout all the subterranean passages of the whole world. I heard a learned Lama of China relating to Bogdo Khan that all the subterranean caves of America are inhabited by the ancient people who have disappeared underground. Traces of them are still found on the surface of the land. These subterranean peoples and spaces are governed by rulers owing allegiance to the King of the World. In it there is not much of the wonderful. You know that in the two greatest oceans of the east and the west there were formerly two continents. They disappeared under the water but their people went into the subterranean kingdom. In underground caves there exists a peculiar light which affords growth to the grains and vegetables and long life without disease to the people. There are many different peoples and many different tribes. An old Buddhist Brahman in Nepal was carrying out the will of the Gods in making a visit to the ancient kingdom of Jenghiz,—Siam,—where he met a fisherman who ordered him to take a place in his boat and sail with him upon the sea. On the third day they reached an island where he met a people having two tongues which could speak separately in different languages. They showed to him peculiar, unfamiliar animals, tortoises with sixteen feet and one eye, huge snakes with a very tasty flesh and birds with teeth which caught fish for their masters in the sea. These people told him that they had come up out of the subterranean kingdom and described to him certain parts of the underground country."
I may be revealing too much, but there is also this
https://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/lassen.html
And these reports
http://www.greatdreams.com/holograms.htm
And then there is also the report of Harmonious, below. Etc
Hav-Musuvs
Also CAVERN COMMENT BY THE YADA DI SHI'ITE
In March 1953, Meade Layne had finished reading Robert Ernest Dickhoff's little 125-page book "Agharta", available then from Dickhoff for $2.50, 315 E 107 St., New York 29. Dickhoff wrote knowingly of the Tashi Lama and his underground city of Agharta, of the great tunnel system drilled through the earth by a race of pre-glacial Martians, of the evil Serpent Race who walk on two feet, erect as humans, and of Rainbow City [11] in the Antarctic. After reading this mish-mash of occult lore, Meade went to his fount of all wisdom, the Inner Circle, for comment and received this surprising reply from the Yada. "It is true that the Serpent People once overran this planet, and that they came from Venus. They abandoned it because conditions here were not favorable to them. They were of great size and had scaly bodies and large frog eyes, and were very advanced mentally. Morally they were not evolved, but were extremely cruel and vicious. They are still to be found in the interior of Venus. The Venusians of the present day, however, are not descendants of this early type. Venusians visiting your earth at present want to bring peace. They have no desire to occupy the earth... Most of what Dr. Dickhoff says about the tunnel system is correct. These were constructed by Atlanteans, partly for communication, sometimes in connection with the search for metals or ores, but chiefly in order to escape extreme solar radiation and various bacteria from the surface of the globe... The tunnels themselves were not primarily designed for underground living, but in many cases they lead into vast caverns, natural and artificially hollowed out, where a great number of persons spent all their lives. It is true that the tunnel opening under the pyramid of Gizeh leads into caverns under Tibet. As to size, a common diameter of these tunnels was about 150 feet. They were constructed by mechanical or chemical means; that is, by the application of superheat deteriorators. It was like burning their way through earth. Yes, it resembled the heat of the atomic bomb, if such heat could be controlled and directed. It was a very dangerous process, for if the heat-blast went out of control the whole globe might suffer most serious consequences. The process was very rapid. The molecules disintegrated. The substance of the earth is very porous and the gases were largely absorbed by it."
https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/17/n02/Jessop_Malta_Cavern_World.html
And Project Subterrene, nuclear drill leaving smooth glass walls behind, just like those made by the Atlanteans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH-LpkeQbMU
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3693731A/en
https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/4687637
Speaking of Agarthi Tunnel System and smooth glass walls, one of the best underground encounter cases, Blowing Cave, Cushman, Arkansas. This group encountered 2.4m tall descendands of Noah 8km down and were shown glass cities they live in left there by the Elder Races.
https://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/Cushman-Arkansas.html
Speaking of 2.4m tall underground dwellers in US.
Virgil T. Godwin, in his book 'BIZARRE SHAVER' (Published by the author., Salem, OR 1982) tells of Mr. Godwin's contacts with a subterranean race, his experience with "UFO's", etc. The author, of gypsy background, allegedly had connections with UFO occupants, Sasquatch, etc., since he was a child, and has allegedly taken 1000's of photographs of their aerial craft, and has appeared on talk shows and has claimed continuous contact with the UFO occupants. The occupants are said to be a race of about 8 foot tall humans who live in tunnels and underground cities centered below Lincoln County, Oregon., with at least one (probably more) connected subterranean colonies beneath other parts of the Western Hemisphere, one of these being within certain caves in or near a canyon in the central region of Baja, California. They claim to be technically advanced, and warn of their ability to help defend North America in the event it is invaded by a foreign government (and/or by other-planetary entities also?). This underground race allegedly has ties and backgrounds that are connected to old Amerindian civilizations. They are able to speak English, but their dialect is that of 'American Indian'.
http://www.geocities.ws/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/under009.html
And so on infinitely.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/underground/
Nix85:
So it's obvious that you like this subject and have done some reaserch on it as well. But, I was wondering, if you have had some personal contacts yourself, as that is usually the case. Perhaps, you'd like to tell us about it?...
NickZ
NickZ
Obviously i love the subject and have done a lot of research into it. As for personal contacts, if you mean with underground races or ETs, no, in this incarnation, not in a physical sense at least. I did have lucid dreams which were more real than this so called reality and i would put my hand in fire some of those were peeking into 'objective' (collective reality) astral planes. Besides, i do not speak about it, but i am working on something that will make open contact possible for me when i want it.
Nix
It is not even a secret that there are underground complexes run by US military
For example Cheyenne Mountain Complex, now run by Space Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAHBekea2Fc
I already wrote about Northrop RCS Facility, Tejon, California. Decades of UFO sightings and abductions in the area, discs coming off runways, anti-gravity drones aka probes, etc. Apparently it goes 42 stories underground, hence the nickname Anthill.
https://youtu.be/nADPouWFfSE?t=1475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkXzcPoKaDg
And Lockheed Martin Skunk Works RCS facility, Helendale, McDonnell Douglas "Llano" RCS facility, Gray Butte etc.
I have already shared this case number of times and here it is again, Nadine Lalich in her book, chapter 10, describes deep underground and ocean floor military bases where military lives and works with ETs, don't imagine (just) little grey man, we are talking ET humans as well as humanoids like mantis, where they together build and service their spacecraft, clone people/personel etc.
https://www.docdroid.net/JEKraPV
And Suzanne Hansen who also describes joint military ET oceanfloor underground base she visited in 1980.
And this
"He told Harold there were whole colonies of people living inside this mountain range base and he believed he had witnessed what people call 'alien' and 'UFO's' parked in that restricted area."
"She said her son dropped by once to let her know they were all right. She said to Harold did you know these ships can travel into space in seconds? Her son was now traveling into space aboard very fast ships. She advised Harold to drop pursuing the case because these people involved are a people you want nothing to do with. Their dangerous."
https://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/Sandia.html
Etc.
Nix: Yes, I also think you have to be careful with that type of personal involment. As once you are in contact with other dimensional beings, you may not be able to control what happen next.
You did not mention the Dulce underground mountain multi level base.
I understand there may be hundreds of underground bases (over 700) world wide, with a whole slew of connecting tunnels and super fast transport systems as well. Little do we know...That are much more advanced, than surface drellers know.
NickZ
NickZ Obviously one needs to be careful with personal involvement with other dimensional beings just like with this-dimensional beings, in fact those incarnated here are FAR more likely to attack you than those of higher planes. One who operates on high enough level of awareness is always able to control what happens next, for all is governed by one Law. One who operates from place of love and wisdom has nothing to fear. It is all about levels of awareness and development. Great majority of occupants of this SOL system are highly developed and spiritualized, even those of our level which is now lower octaves of 4D, Earth is the only planet that does not travel openly to other planets and that is why in the plate below from Other Tongues Other Flesh showing 12 planets of our SOL system Earth is only one painted black, the fallen sister, lost mansion on brink of self destruction. But that is changing for the better, altho slowly. Again, one who stands in Truth fears no one on any plane.
As for Dulce, i did not mention it explicitly, but i did link to materials about it many times, in the very last post i linked again to lecture by Bill Hamilson where he goes in depth about Dulce.
https://youtu.be/nADPouWFfSE
I also linked many times to my blog and there i have a full interview with Thomas Edwin Castello
https://vril12.wordpress.com/a-dulce-base-security-officer-speaks-out/
I know all there is to know about it and have known for many years.
As for how many underground bases world wide, no one in the public knows exactly, certainly in hundreds, and that includes those on ocean floors. I have written about all that many times here, that there are hundreds of underground bases connected by tunnels and that they are technologically thousands of years ahead of the public etc....
As it was channeled in Law of One 26.1.1980.
8.3 Questioner: Are these craft that are of our peoples from what we call planes that are not incarnate at this time? Where are they based?
Ra: I am Ra. These of which we spoke are of third density and are part of the so-called military complex of various of your peoples' societal divisions or structures. The bases are varied. There are bases, as you would call them, undersea in your southern waters near the Bahamas as well as in your Pacific seas in various places close to your Chilean borders on the water. There are bases upon your moon, as you call this satellite, which are at this time being reworked. There are bases which move about your lands. There are bases, if you would call them that, in your skies. These are the bases of your peoples, very numerous and, as we have said, potentially destructive.
REPORT THAT UR DESTROYED SECRET US BASE ON MOON
Date:1979 January 24, 00:00 (Wednesday)
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/P790011-1247_e.html
"Affa is afraid Saras is too evil" below refers to guy from Uranus being afraid Saras (Earth) is too evil.
Nix:
Thanks for the info above. I also have lots to say, but I find that most people may even take offence without some form of proof. That even happens when discussing free energy devices. As we have been programed to reject many things, even by current religions. Including that there are people living in the moon, on Mars, and inner Earth, as well. With technologies much more advanced than ours. Admiral Bird and his expedition to the opening at our south pole confirms that. There is also pyramidal structure in all three worlds, or moons. Which may indicate that the same people built them all.
And perhaps even in the Sun. As ships are now seen going in and out of it, also. It may not be like a nuclear reactor, at all. We need to learn about free energy from them, if they are willing to teach us. According to the ET Bashar, 2023 is the year of contact. Not just watching them fly around us. We'll see ..
NickZ
Nick You're welcome. I know most of them won't believe any of this, so there is no harm and those with eyes to see do appreciate and learn. Some may take offence at seeing these things "without proof", but such need to realize it is not the lack of proof but their lack of research. Even the government is now telling them they have ET craft and bodies, i mean, no need to say more.
I have been saying for years, there are people living ON and in the Moon, Mars, and in inner Earth. I have been saying here for years and sharing proof our Moon has air, water and life and planet-wide civilization, buildings all over including but not only pyramids and that these people have technologies much more advanced than our PUBLIC technology (often not more advanced than our black world and by far not more advanced than our occult societies). All that's not even a secret, NASA paper openly admits countless observations of clouds and moving lights on the Moon
https://vril12.wordpress.com/moon-secrets-revealed/
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19780022214/downloads/19780022214.pdf
Quote"Lunar transient phenomena have been observed for almost 1 1/2 millenia, both by the naked eye and telescopic aid. The author has been collecting these reports from the literature and personal communications for the past 17 years. It has resulted in a listing of 1468 reports representing only slight searching of the literature and probably only a fraction of the number of anomalies actually seen."
"Small whitish cloud"
"Nebulous appearance"
"Looked like a cloudy spot"
"Looked like a cloudy spot"
"Black moving haze or cloud"
"Cloud less intense"
"Conspicious bright spot. Also on 7th, absent on 8th. Cloud-like effect where light had been on 8th."
"Faint, but unmistakable white cloud not seen before."
"Gas cloud over it & its companion; everywhere else was fine detail"
"Fog in W. part of crater. Faint shimmer like thin white cloud"
"Traces of cloudiness on E. slope at 2115h."
"G. Ward (a lunar observer for 15 years) observed an area just south west of Mersenius C to be blurred and in a greenish cloud. [...] The observer checked other areas but did not see any similar effects. They also rotated and changed eyepieces, but this made no difference to the TLP."
"2 faint clouds in the E. part of crater."
"Fog in W. part of crater. Faint shimmer like thin white cloud"
"Odd, misty look as if vapor were in or about them."
"Interior of crater had a cloudy apperance."
"Light cloud or mist at edge."
"Dense clouds of vapor apparently rising from its bottom & pouring over its SW wall towar Herod. He says no activity till day after sunrise & ceases a few days before sunset."
"Variations in vapor column. Crater D covered."
"Filled with pale luminous haze tho all surrounding features were sharp & normal. Walls also hazy."
"Cloud rising from Fis marked."
"Sudden appearance of white spot like a cloud. Moved across the crater."
"Areas E. of Picard appeared featureless. Cloud-like patches."
"Oval dark area near center, disappeared in 15m."
"Enveloped in obscuring, cloud-like mist."
"Obliterated by a hovering cloud. [...] Wilkins saw burst of light and dust cloud."
"Concealed by a dusky cloud. Appeared to be steam or smoke. No change in 1h. Following week no trace."
"Gas cloud over it and it's companions. Everywhere else was fine detail."
"White gas obscuration. Moved at 20mph decreased in extent. Phenomena repeated."
"Gas cloud. Motion."
"Green color, yellow-reddish (over Demonax ? chrom. aberr.?). Diffused cloud seen outside disk over Leibnitz mts. in Cleostratus area."
"Peculiar haziness in NE (ast. ?) corner of crater. Greenish-yellow tint similar to M. Crisium at FM. Central crater was clearly vis. N. wall showed no detail at all."
"A kind of vapor cloud seen coming from S. pole, vis. intermittently."
"Dark cloud covering Conon."
"Very dark blue dark cloud moving W-E."
"Think white cloud, intensely variable, faint bright shimmer on Plato."
"Maroon color covering the ridge of Herod. Cloud disappeared after 10min."
"Saw a bright, luminous, blue, misty cloud on the NE rim. Obscur. for 1st hr hen gave way to pink & features becam vis. Cloud was tear-drop shape. No movement to glow. Pink cloud glowed too. Very tenuous by 0130h. (Nakamura says there were no seismic events within several hrs. of this time). Another per- on saw it without being advised as to where it was."
If i were to quote all the observations that mention mist, fog, haze instead of cloud, there would be thousands of them, so enough for those with eyes to see.
As for Inner Earth and Admiral Byrd, Inner Earth is one of my favorite subjects, i studied it to infinite depths and have shared already much of it here including Etidorhpa, THE book on hollow earth.
According to Etidorhpa, there are no polar openings as popularly assumed
https://www.reddit.com/r/HOLLOWEARTH/comments/10d8g58/few_illustrations_from_etidorhpa_hollow_earth/
Here is an Etidorhpa audiobook i reuploaded. This is not my narration, it belongs to WebFlixsGuy. This is an edited reupload with annoying and loud intro music removed and gentle background music added and all chapters merged into one video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCQGbTsq_Ws
There is so much occult truths in this book i have no doubt it is a designed leak from masonic inner circles, and that was proven since story of the main character has been identitfied as a absolutely real.
https://youtu.be/Tc5zQajyKxk?&t=1150
In the book among other things is described the increase of vitality deeper they went into the Earth and this was confirmed by Russians in the 80s....
SOVIET TESTS REVEAL THE 55-HOUR DAY! – Article in WEEKLY WORLD NEWS., April 6, 1982: Records the strange discoveries of Russian scientists who spent 71 days in one of the world's deepest caves, located in the Abkhazia mountains in the former Soviet Union. At a depth of eight miles, the scientists reported increased vitality, less fatigue, and a natural change from the normal 24-hour working-sleeping cycle to a 55-hour cycle.
From all the research into this topic, one really gets the impression that deeper you go, higher in frequency you get, positing a question if at different distances from the core, planet exists on different vibrational levels, core being at the highest, of course.
IN OTHER WORDS QUESTION IS IF THERE IS NO 'PHYSICAL' CORE OF THE EARTH, IF CORE IS WHAT MIGHT BE CALLED ETHERIC AND LOWER REALITY EXISTS ONLY ON THE OUTER CRUST AND SURFACE.
This model makes sense as we observe the universe as fractal, self-similar on all levels and we find that from the smallest atom to the biggest galaxy, zones at varying distances from the core exist on different energy levels. In many contactee books, most advanced civilizations are said to exist near the galactic core, the great central Sun within which is the mysterious Black Vortex (BLACK SUN), a gateway between the physical and non-physical realm where the Guardians dwell. This black vortex in the center of the galaxy is spoken of both by indian spiritual teacher and astral traveler Ishwar Puri and also in the book My contacts with the real Space Federation by Oscar Magocsi.
NORAD satellite tracking showing satellites avoid the North Pole
https://youtu.be/c6Yz0ReoU5Q?t=2893
And indeed pyramids on Earth, Moon and Mars indicate same people might have built them or at least, which i believe to be the case, that people of these and other planets and moons had open contact with each other in remote past.
Who built the great pyramid by contactee Richard Miller's contacts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBkWgD_E5nE
Mars according to contactee Richard Miller's contacts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1fV3Os-5pc
Mars Hale crater city
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2zwkLkvmko
Confirmation of North Pole portal to hollow Earth, Mission Rahma, Peru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdBFYPGV52E
According to my research sun is hollow, multiple contactee cases say that and now even mainstream admits it. As it says in Other tongues other flesh
"There are beings on the planetary bodies under the photosphere of the Sun"And that there are planets inside the sun is also claimed in Zirbes contactee case i also shared countless times. Oahspe itself, altho it does not say it clearly, clearly shows and implies sun is hollow.
So, there surely are pyramid on those planets. There is also a claim of giant cube city in the core of the sun in My Visit to the Sun by Phoebe Marie Holmes.
Even Eric Dollard agrees sun is hollow.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/suplje-sunce/
Ships have been seen going in and out of it for many years.
In the attached book Son Of The Sun by Orfeo Angelucci, chapter INTO THE SUN AND OUT AGAIN is described in detail a trip into the photosphere of the sun.
I have been saying for many years sun does not work by fission or fussion, it is a step down converter of higher-dimensional energies into our plane.
To understand the sun it essential to read the chapter THE BUILDING OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM from Solar System by theosophist Arthur Powell. Exactly how solar system is created from nothing, from original "no-thing" state where with time-space medium itself, blowing bubbles of nothing into it and then stirring them in a vortex, compressing them, forming larger particles all the way down to crude chemical elements etc.
https://vril12.wordpress.com/the-building-of-the-solar-system/
We never needed ETs to teach us free energy or field propulsion, for we developed all that ourselves without ET help and it just pops out all over the place.
We don't need ETs even when it comes to yet more advanced technology for our secret orders like those described in Unveiled Mysteries by Godfré Ray King
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iHSOdFdF0w
are far, FAR ahead of any and all ETs, anything one can imagine, they have, from huge screens of time showing any point in the past and probable futures in absolute perfection and clarity to regeneration of human body to everything and anything else, everything underlined - for they have reached a point when they simply imagine and it IS - clothed in matter. And they had all this since million of years.
I posted yesterday all these quotes talking about secret earth orders' flying saucers
https://overunity.com/19453/ufos-as-the-nazi-legacy/msg579289/#msg579289
One who has read studied Spiritism, in particular two books i shared many times Nosso Lar aka Astral city and A Wanderer in the Spirit Lands knows there is very advanced technology on astral planes around the Earth. One quote from A Wanderer
"My son," he answered, "what you have seen is an application of scientific knowledge, nothing more. This mirror has been so prepared that it receives and reflects the images thrown upon it from a series of sheets of thin metal, or rather what is the spiritual counterpart of earthly metal. These sheets of metal have been so highly sensitized that they are able to receive and retain these pictures somewhat in the fashion of a phonograph (such as you saw in earth life) receives and retains the sound waves. "When you were wandering in those dark spheres, you were put in magnetic communication with this instrument and the adventures of each were transferred to one of these sensitive sheets, while the emotions of every one of you caused the sound waves in the spheres of music and literature to vibrate in corresponding tones of sympathy. "You belong to the spheres of Art, Music and Literature, and therefore you are able to see and feel and understand the vibrations of those spheres. In the spirit world all emotions, speeches, or events reproduce themselves in objective forms and become for those in harmony with them either pictures, melodies, or spoken narratives. The spirit world is created by the thoughts and actions of the soul, and therefore every act or thought forms its spiritually material counterpart. In this sphere you will find many things not yet known to men on earth, many curious inventions which will in time be transmitted to earth and clothed there in material form. But see! you are about to receive the Palm branch which is given to each of you as a reward of your victory."
There was never need for a single ET visitor to teach us anything, Earth is among most advanced planets in all creation, technology and spiritality-wise, it's just that general masses are greatly lagging behind and make impossibile for bestowing of this advanced Knowledge and technology YET. But day is coming quickly when Force will be used openly as it was in days of Atlan and Mu and long before them in countless civilizations that rose and fell here.
As for "Bashar", i respect everyone's opinion, but in my opinion, he is cringe-worthy, let's just say he, like most channelers today, is a mockery of channeling. There were number of real channelers over the years and Darryl Anka is not one. Sure, in a sense, everyone is channeling, but he is not channeling any alien being, he is clearly talking from his own mind. In my opnion real channelers were Mark Probert, Nada-Yolanda, Rolf Telano, Jane Roberts etc.
One thing i do respect from Darryl Anka is that he promoted David Pomerleau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRLGCneqpCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-gBvfmomqo
So no, 2023. is not a year of open contact, probably not even 2033. (altho i used to think open contact will happen much sooner back when i knew less). Contact is always happening on massive scale, as ETs told Robert L. in 1969.
"They said that the Federation had contacted about 300,000 people on the planet at the time."https://colinandrews.net/UFOs-FrenchFarmer-TakenByAgreement.html?fbclid=IwAR0R81ibLcrc388DMfrqt4DqMjL5HCNa0moPFXk9u1SyInf57zAkCniE_M4
These people have been living among us for a very long time. Well, many of us are "them", and, in a wider sense, we all are.
https://www.amazon.com/Saucers-Speak-Calling-Occupants-Interplanetary/dp/1606111329
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sDoG97qZHk
https://www.mediafire.com/file/4n18tv5r1tp1lat/Mass+Contacts.pdf/file
https://www.galactic.no/linkmap.html
It is a slow process of acclimatization of the public and public is by FAR not ready for any kind of open contact, in fact, when one looks at public today it is impossible to imagine open contact EVER. But that is slowly changing, and fully open contact is possible around 2036.
No need to wait for them to reveal themselves (and "them" is "all of the above", occult orders Adepts of this and other planes, ETs, interdimensionals, military, civilians who found the principle(s)) when one can fly too if he learns to control the Force.
Nix
As some of the information just posted above can be above our level of understanding as well as acceptance. I recommend those interested to search YouTube under the name of Phil Schneider and his experience at the New Mexico underground base called Dulce. First hand testimony of what happened to him there, and afterwards as well. Check it out...as I feel that our time is running out.
Whether we are ready for them, (the ETs), or not.They are being seen and maybe are ready to do more that just buzz around our skies.
NickZ
Nothing posted above is beyond developed human capacity to understand (altho it is beyond capacity of most at present), humanity has a lot of unlearning of false beliefs and limitations to do first before it can begin to assimilate Higher Knowledge. As for Schneider, altho he speaks the same things i speak about, he was caught lying and i think he lied about his supposed experiences.
He lied that Richard Sauder had degrees that he did not have and that he personally worked in those underground bases, Sauder harshly dismissed both of these claims in one of the interviews making it clear Schneider lied and made it clear he does not believe anything Schneider says, neither do i. I must say 100% fake.
I will however add that 1978-79 was most definitely a point in time of great conflict between ETs themselves and also between humans in black projects, i shared already mutliple times the wikileaks document dated 24.1.1979. about destruction of US Moon base, also in W56 case i shared countless times is written about great conflict between W56 and CTRs under and above Adriatic and that conflict resulted in Adriatic Tsunami very well documented and never forgotten for nothing similar ever happened before or after in recorded history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH4lcSmyWuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip_fL5eotWQ
Those who really want to know what is going on in underground bases should pick TRUE sources, like Nadine Lalich whose book i shared so many times already. I reproduce from the book where she talks in detail about underground and undersea joint US military-ET bases.
Every word of this report is pure gold cause it is ALL true. Below is a drawing of type of craft she saw underground.
Underground Military Base
This experience took place during the middle of the night on October 3, 2008, while I was living in Laguna Woods, California. During this event, I believe I was taken from my bed, although I do not remember the actual abduction or transport. I do vaguely recall entering a large metal door into a mountain and then clearly recall going down a cylindrical, glass elevator with a tall military-type man. As we descended in the elevator, I could easily see several large open floors that looked as though they had been carved out of stone and earth. Along the sides of each layer were metal grid walkways mounted to the walls with staircases going downward. Here and there, I could see blue, double doors at the end of the corridors. One of the floors housed an unusual gigantic craft where many people in uniforms were working. They stood on the floor or on scaffolding that surrounded the craft. Although I viewed the area from quite a distance away, I had a strong impression that not all of the workers were human. They were all of a similar height and wearing the same tan overalls, but they moved differently. As we continued to descend, I also noted that the air was heavy and quite difficult to breathe. We had passed below the floor where the craft was when the elevator stopped. Without speaking, the man escorted me onto a metal grate walkway and through a long tunnel that had a set of blue doors at the end. We went through those doors and into another tunnel that led to more blue doors. Eventually, our walking ended at a second glass elevator. Going down one more floor, we ended up in an enormous chamber, much larger than all the previous levels. The dark, damp cave had small spotlights stationed along the dirt floor and rocky walls, and in the distance was a huge two or three-story building that looked like a mansion made of big blocks of concrete. I also realized by then that the man escorting me was a replica of several other men we had passed along the way. My next recollection was of being in the building and standing in a room with rows of large rectangular tables. I realized I was not wearing my nightgown, only underpants, so I tried to cover myself with my arms while I looked for my clothing. All the while I felt that someone was watching and following me. I pulled back a curtain and saw a lot of people looking very busy, but they didn't pay any attention to me. Behind the curtain were more long tables with clothing stacked in piles, some of it dirty. None of it looked like mine, so I grabbed a long shirt to cover up. My next recollection was of standing in the large foyer of the building. I was impressed again with the fact that it looked like a luxury mansion or hotel. A beautiful wooden staircase located rose impressively from the right side of the room and curved to the left onto the second floor. My escort was still with me and guided me into a room off to the left side of the foyer that looked like a typical doctor's office. A man came into the room dressed in a white lab coat who seemed to be a doctor. Strangely he kept fading in and out of my vision, sometimes not looking human, and I knew he wanted to talk to me, sedate me, and get information from me. I was sitting on the end of an examining table when he suddenly stepped away and went through a doorway into another room at the back of the office. Instantly I jumped off the table and left the room, ran through the foyer and out the big double doors at the front. Outside it was dark, and I ran around to the side of the building. The structure had regular windows, and I looked in to see if I could tell where the doctor had gone. The light was on in the room, but it was empty. I made my way along the side of the building, hugging the wall tightly until I reached the back. Peeking around the corner, I saw large sliding glass doors that opened onto a concrete patio with a section that extended out perpendicular to the building another ten or twelve feet. That portion looked somewhat like a runway for clothing models. I could see several figures standing on the patio and through the open doors, others who were inside the large room. Some of them were extraordinarily tall, wearing tunics and robes that draped to their feet. They did not appear to be humans. Overall, the scene looked like a social event with dining and relaxing. A few moments later, I heard voices and saw a half dozen men making their way from the front of the building toward me. In the distance, I also saw a small area cordoned off with plastic fencing, and I headed that way to hide. Inside the enclosure, the ground was muddy with shallow pools of water scattered about, and tiny plants and moss were sprouting from the marshy ground. They quickly found me, and several of the identical-looking men brought me back into the building to a room adjacent to the foyer. I remember saying to them, "Whoa, I don't believe it. That is so amazing. You look exactly alike." They did not respond, and I heard someone in the room tell them to keep me quiet or knock me out. They set me down in a straight-back chair in the center of the room with the doorway to my back, and I was no longer able to move my body. In front of me were two black leather lounging chairs with full arms. Although I could not turn my head, I could see from my peripheral vision that there were several large dark screens off to my left and right that looked like flat-screen televisions. I heard people talking behind me, but I could not see them. They were discussing the prospect of taking me away from the facility. It occurred to me that they were engaged in something significant, and I pleaded with them to let me stay. I found my attitude toward the situation quite strange because, previously, I had always wanted any experience to stop. Two females then walked over and stood in front of me. They were wearing white robes that fell to the floor and a covering on their heads that limited my view of their faces. Nonetheless, it was evident that they were not human. The people standing behind me had decided to remove me from the area. I could see from the corner of my eye the original person or ET who had been in the examining room, and he was speaking out loud, saying he had made up his mind not to give me another chance. Again, I pleaded with them, "Please, I will cooperate. I want to know what's going on here. I want to be a part of this." I still felt reasonably clearheaded when two of the male guards sat down in the leather chairs opposite me. They put on huge headphones that nearly covered the entire sides of their heads. I think they were intended to block whatever sound waves they were going to expose me to. Suddenly, I could feel my consciousness fading out, and the room began to dim and look far away. I remember feeling strong determination and telling myself to remember everything! Don't forget anything! This is very important! This experience was one of the more lucid I have had. From the moment we entered the underground facility until much later, when I was rendered unconscious in the underground building – it felt like a real experience. I was curious about the audio technology they used, so I did some research on the psychoacoustic effect on humans by infrasonic, sonic, and ultrasonic frequencies. The following excerpts from a 1998 Marine Corps newsletter posted on the website for the American Federation of Scientists, read: Non-lethal weapons, such as acoustic and directed energy weapons, can provide Marines with an alternative way to deal with noncombatants...and still accomplish set objectives and missions. Non-lethal weapons are defined by the Department of Defense policy as discriminate weapons that are explicitly designed and employed to incapacitate. ... Another item being looked at is a directed energy weapon that uses lowfrequency soundwaves that can knock a person out but causes no permanent damage. In further researching the current use of sound waves for brain stimulation, I found the following excerpts from an article written by Antoine Jérusalem, Professor, Department of Engineering Science, at the University of Oxford: At the moment, non-invasive neuromodulation – changing brain activity without the use of surgery – looks poised to usher in a new era of healthcare. ... But what happens if this technique for altering our brain waves escapes regulation and falls into the wrong hands? Imagine a dictatorial regime with access to the tricks and tools to change the way its citizens think or behave.... How dystopian could it get? I can see the day coming where a scientist will be able to control what a person sees in their mind's eye, by sending the right waves to the right place in their brain.... This technology is not without its risks of misuse. It could be a revolutionary healthcare technology for the sick, or a perfect controlling tool with which the ruthless control the weak. This time though, the control would be literal. ... I am also convinced that human nature is such that if something can be done, it will be done. The question is by whom.
Underwater Military Base
This experience occurred on April 14, 2010, while I was living in Laguna Woods, California. I awoke in the middle of the night with the feeling that someone was in my bedroom. My dog, Annie, was standing on the floor at the foot of the bed and acting strangely. I tried to raise my head but realized that I was paralyzed and unable to sit up. I remember being taken from my home with a blanket wrapped around me and then placed into a helicopter or similar craft. Shortly after that, I believe I was transferred to a second ship that soon was flying north along what I assumed was the Pacific coastline. Suddenly, there was a hard jolt, and in the row of small round windows in front of me, I could actually see water splash against the windows. I was astounded by the feeling that we seemed to be traveling under the ocean. The only other conscious memory I had of this experience was of being in a hazmat unit and being tested while military people watched. On October 23, 2013, Barbara Lamb conducted a hypnotic regression back to the date of this experience on April 14, 2010. BL: I'm going to count down from number ten down to number one. And when I get down to number one, you're going to be there now, beginning in your room, in your bed on that particular night, April 14th, 2010. On April 14th, 2010. You are at your home, and you are sleeping on your bed. Eventually, you will be finding yourself awakened. Let's go to your first awareness of this on April 14th, 2010, while you are sleeping in your bed. When you're aware of something, just mention it out loud with your words.
NL: Annie, my dog, was on the floor, standing up at the end of the bed.
BL: Okay, is that unusual for Annie to be standing up like that?
NL: She's looking at something. Acting strangely, but not barking.
BL: Okay, she's just looking. Which direction does she seem to be looking?
NL: Towards the bottom of the bed. The right side, by the window, and there's a
dark figure there.
BL: Okay, there is a dark figure?
NL: A dark figure you can't see. She's just looking at him.
BL: Okay. So she seems to be looking at the shadow.
NL: And there's a light behind it from the window.
BL: Okay. And you see it too? Okay. All right. The light behind it. Now, does it
seem like that's coming through the window from outside? Or is it emanating
from inside, somehow?
NL: The light's from a sidewalk light, coming through the curtain. There's a big
black figure standing in front of the bed. That's what she's looking at, but
she's afraid. She's not even barking. It looks like a man.
BL: Okay.
NL: He has a cap on.
BL: I know Annie's not barking, but do you see anything?
NL: There's someone in the doorway of the bedroom. Someone's in my house. It
seems like people. There's another man.
BL: All right. Is he just standing there without moving?
NL: The second man is standing in the doorway, waiting for something.
Instructions. I can't move. I'm cold. I'm trying to move. I can't move for
some reason.
BL: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
NL: I can't sit up or anything.
BL: Are they aware that you can see them?
NL: It's all secret. No one is talking. They're waiting for the next thing. It feels
like a helicopter. It's like a helicopter outside.
BL: Do you hear it?
NL: I'm in my pajamas. I'm in a nightgown. And I'm outside.
BL: Oh, you're outside now.
NL: And someone's taking me somewhere.
BL: Now, where is this helicopter in relationship to where your house is?
NL: It's by my garage somewhere. It's quiet. I don't hear anything. There's no
sound.
BL: Wow.
NL: There's no sound from it, nothing.
BL: Take a really good look. I realize it's night time, but take a good look at that
helicopter and describe what you see.
NL: From a distance, it looks like a helicopter, but when I get closer, it's round,
and it looks kind of silver. It fades in and out and then almost looks like a
helicopter. Then I get a feeling of a rounded bottom or something. It's
different. I don't know what it is, exactly. It's confusing.
BL: Do you actually see the big helicopter blades?
NL: No. That wouldn't make any sense at all. It can't be blades. It's not big
enough there. No blade.
BL: So you, if you look at the top of this object, whatever it is, where the
propellers would be, you don't see them?
NL: It's flat, and nothing's moving, really, up on top. Maybe it's not a helicopter,
but it seemed like there was something on the ground that was a helicopter.
Now it looks like there's something overhead, hovering over the parking lot
area, maybe 25 feet up. Not far. It's just sitting there.
BL: Not moving or anything?
NL: It is not moving, no. Someone's pushing me up towards it. I just had this
feeling I was being walked out and up into this helicopter. Now it feels like
there's this thing overhead now, not that far up. Its more like an oblong or a
cigar- shaped ship maybe. Something like that, but it's up off the ground, like
twenty feet, or something.
BL: Okay.
NL: I think it's by the garage, but a little farther out. It seems quiet. Everything's
quiet. I can't tell, but I might be covered with something. I don't know what,
but something is wrapped around me. I don't even remember going out the
door. All I know is that I'm just suddenly on the side of the house here.
BL: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
NL: I'm on the side of the house going towards this helicopter or something up
there. I'm going up there. Yes, it feels like something dark is wrapped around
me that is so I can't see or make any noise.
BL: You said that something is wrapped around you. Did you mean it's wrapped
around your head, too?
NL: My body.
BL: Just your body?
NL: My body. It's different, whatever this is.
BL: What are those men doing at this time? Can you tell me where they are?
NL: I know there's one to the right of me, and maybe more on the left. They've
got these caps on their heads and matching pants and shirts. It looks like dark
green or gray. A real dark uniform with a hat and it's got a brim. They're
very matter of fact, the way he talks to me.
BL: Okay. At this point, is it accurate to say that you can't move?
NL: No, because my feet are moving, and I can't resist now. I'm moving along
with them because they hustle me along, sort of. At least along the sidewalk,
with one of them on each side.
BL: Do you feel the ground under your feet as you're moving?
NL: No. I don't physically feel much of anything.
BL: Okay. What about the temperature outside?
NL: I think it's cold. I think that's why I've got a blanket on. I'm going
somewhere, somewhere by the water and the ocean. I'm on the ship now.
BL: The craft?
NL: On a ship. In a craft. It's round. I'm going somewhere. I don't know why
there's water. I feel like there's water, and we're by the beach, going north by
the ocean.
BL: So you have a sense that you're heading north?
NL: It is heading north. Yeah. It doesn't look like a helicopter now. There's this
thing in the middle of the room that you can put your hands on or something.
It's round. There are two people ahead in front and rows of chairs. The round
thing in the center is like a core in the middle of the ship, and something
round goes up from it.
BL: Is it like a column?
NL: Like a column, but the bottom part comes out of the room more like a ledge
around it. The pillar goes up and, I don't know why, but I keep thinking
people put their hands on it for some reason.
BL: Do you see somebody with their hands on it right now?
NL: Two tall people, but these aren't people. They're not really people. They look
white, very tall, and lanky. There are two of them doing something to this
tall column. I think I'm sitting in something on one side of the column, and
somebody is behind me watching me. I feel sedated and unable to do much.
I'm physically drugged, sort of. I'm going somewhere with water. I don't
know why this has to do with the ocean. Wow!
BL: Are you able to see out of this vehicle, or whatever you want to call it? Can
you see out and see if there's water out there?
NL: On the edge, in the upper half, there are some panes of some kind that you
can see out of, and I can look out.
BL: All right.
NL: I have a feeling we're going into the water. I feel like we're going into the
water.
BL: Now when you say that you are going into the water, how do you know that?
NL: We're splashing into the water.
BL: Does that mean this whole thing that you're sitting inside?
NL: The whole thing. The entire ship's going in. It's going into the water!
BL: All right.
NL: It's like a jolt's hitting it.
BL: Does the whole object that you're inside of feel like it's moving?
NL: You can feel it hitting the water and going into the water. Yeah, then it's, I
don't know. It's a different feeling afterward. It's like a vibration I can feel.
BL: Are you seated on something?
NL: Yes. It's curved. And kind of [inaudible] by a curve.
BL: Okay. Are you reasonably comfortable sitting there? Is this thing moving in
the water?
NL: Anxious. Anxious.
BL: Are you feeling anxious?
NL: I've never done this before. I've never done anything like this before.
BL: Oh, yes. Okay. Okay, now, as all this is going on, do you have any awareness
of those people who are there?
NL: There are these two tall people on the pole, and two people who are not
people are in the front, in two curvy chairs. The windows up front are on top,
so when we hit the water, it got dark in those windows.
BL: Okay.
NL: Someone's to my left is talking. They're talking in vocal words.
BL: Do you hear the words with your ears?
NL: With words. Audible. Using voices. Someone is also standing here, to my
right, right behind my chair, with a uniform on.
BL: Okay, now, with the one who's talking with an actual voice, can you
understand what's being said?
NL: I can't really hear words, but they're talking to someone else that's not in
uniform, that's not fully human. There's three talking, talking about
somebody else coming to join them.
BL: Okay.
NL: Someone else is coming. They're preparing for somebody to come. We're
going there, and someone else is coming.
BL: All right. Take a good look now.
NL: The one that doesn't look entirely human, I don't know what he is, but sort of
like a man.
BL: Is he standing upright, two-legged, like a man?
NL: Yes, very tall. Over six feet and wearing some other kind of material.
Something shiny and silky or something.
BL: Are you talking about his clothing?
NL: Mm-hmm (affirmative). He looks dignified.
BL: And what about his face?
NL: Chiseled, kind of.
BL: Chiseled how?
NL: Not like the two on the column. I don't know what this is. I've never seen one
of them before. They're kind of Oriental looking, but I don't know what they
are.
BL: Is there any hair on this one?
NL: There is some hair on the head, I think.
I don't know what. It's facing sideways from me.
BL: Is it the profile?
NL: It's the side of the face. And my head's turned the wrong way. I can't move,
but it looks like he understands what the others are saying.
BL: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
NL: I don't think he's saying anything, though.
BL: What is it that gives you that impression he's not fully human?
NL: I don't know. Maybe it's his energy or something. I don't know what it is. Or
his skin color. It's white. I can only get it out of the corner of my eyes. My
head can't turn around and face him. I get Oriental and some kind of hair on
his head with high, high cheekbones from the side.
BL: How about his eyes. What do they look like?
NL: They're big, but I can't see them well because it's only the side of his face. So
I can only see just this corner of it., but it looks like his eyes would be big.
And his face is kind of flat in the front — kind of flat.
BL: Is there a nose sticking out?
NL: No. No.
BL: Is there any nose at all?
NL: Not much. A bump, maybe? There might be a higher collar in the back on the
back of the shirt that he's wearing. They're still in conversation getting ready
for somebody coming. Okay. There's a hangar on the bottom, under the
water. Yes, there's some kind of a hangar underwater that you go into.
BL: Okay. How are you able to see that?
NL: We're there now, somehow.
BL: Are you there now?
NL: I don't know if I went to sleep for a while. I don't know. It just seems like
we're here now in this thing.
BL: Okay.
NL: There's a cement floor with water on the floor. This thing we're in has got
legs on it. It's got legs on it, and that's how it stands on the floor when it goes
down. Water's dripping from things in there where we're standing. Now
they're taking me somewhere. I see the bubble, the big bubble. And a built-in
office or a building at the other end that's enclosed, but there are doors you
can go through. This giant, giant room that everything is in looks like metal,
a big metal room that's round on the top. It's all like metal with a flat bottom.
I don't know how they got this thing in there, but they did. And there's
another bubble inside the main one that's big and clear.
BL: So this other bubble is one that you are going in yourself?
NL: I'm not going in now. I'm walking somewhere else.
BL: Now, are these men right there with you as you're walking?
NL: One man is taking me somewhere. There's a way to get into that second
bubble. In the bubble, you can see an opening from outside.
BL: Now, did you have to get out of your own craft, in order to be walking
toward that bubble?
NL: I would. Yes. I think it opens on the bottom, and you come out of the bottom
somehow. It's like there are big pillar lights that come out of this craft, and
then it opens, and you can come out.
BL: Okay.
NL: It's different. This is different from any experience I've ever had. This doesn't
make any sense. Totally different. I feel like I've been put into some kind of
smock or dress outfit like an examining gown. It's white, or pale blue and it
goes all the way down to the middle of my legs. There is someone else there.
They're doing this to somebody else, too. We both have these big smocks on.
BL: Do you think that person has also been brought there?
NL: Yes. It's a man. And they're bringing us both into this room with a table in it.
I don't know why, but I think they want me to talk to a psychiatrist. It's
weird.
BL: Now let's just....
NL: And it's like being on display.
BL: Are they taking you into this other bubble?
NL: I've already been there. There's a room that leads from the bubble where you
get changed. Then there's a nurse in there, and you put this thing on.
BL: Uh-huh. A changing room sort of?
NL: Yeah. She's like a nurse. I think she takes your temperature, but I don't know
what else she does, exactly. I don't feel afraid, just curious. I think the nurse
is just a woman, or she looks like a woman.
BL: Like a real human woman?
NL: I think so.
BL: What about this other man? Does he seem to be human?
NL: Yes, and he acts as if he knows me. I think this has happened to him before.
He looks like he's 40 or 50. He's older and his hair is dark. It's combed to the
side, and greasy. He's got a rebellious attitude. When he spoke, he told me,
"Don't say anything. Don't say anything to them." It's like he knows how to
do this thing and we shouldn't talk. There are things on a table. We're
supposed to be in a show or something and going to be asked questions.
We're going to do tests and show things and push buttons. Someone is
observing us and following us from outside and going to watch us. They're
testing us for something.
BL: You and the man?
NL: Yes.
BL: Is he being tested, also?
NL: Yes.
BL: Is he saying anything?
NL: They want to know what we know. There's another man that speaks slowly to
you with words. We're speaking words in here. It's not telepathy. And he's
slow and patient, the way he talks to ask you questions. "What do you see?
What do you think? What do you know?" Like that. He writes notes on some
kind of electronic device in his hand like a tablet. There's somebody outside
that he can talk to and ask questions through the glass.
BL: How does the air seem to you in there? How's your breathing going?
NL: The air is cool, damp, and heavy. I don't know who this other third person is
in the room with us. I thought it was a psychiatrist and a man. I don't know
who that is, but it may not be a man.
BL: But he seems to be watching and testing you?
NL: Watching and testing, yes. They want to know stuff, and we're going to tell
them, but they don't want it by our voice. They want it by things we push.
We answer differently. Mechanically, there are some things in front of us,
and we push a button. I think that this guy maybe is not a psychiatrist. I am
talking out loud to this other man in here with me, but with the doctor guy, it
may be telepathy after all. And we listen to his telepathy, and then we push
the buttons - something like that. We push things.
BL: Are they giving you instructions?
NL: Yes. Then we answer by what we push while other people watch from
outside.
BL: Have you seen this before? Do you know what you are supposed to push?
NL: I'm just answering with lots of yes and nos. Some things are colored like
buttons that are red and black. There may also be some monitors stuck on
me, sensors, or something stuck on me.
BL: Okay.
NL: He's at one end of the table, and I'm here with a console on top of this table.
It has these wedges that we push, and that's how we give our answers, our
responses to whatever they ask us. But I think it's telepathy he's using when
he asks us things.
BL: Rather than speaking out loud?
NL: Right. They want to know more stuff like, "What did you see? Where did
you go? How many times? When did it happen?" Those kinds of things.
Questions like that.
BL: Okay. Does it seem like you know the answers right away?
NL: Yes. Yes. Where we've been and who we've seen. What were they doing?
What did their ship look like? Who else was there? How long were you
there? What things did you see? Equipment? How did you feel? How do
they make you calm?
BL: Did it seem like they're asking about regular events in your everyday life?
NL: No, no, no. No, they want to know what contacts, what ET contacts you've
had, who you've seen. How many times. What did they look like? What did
they wear? What did they want? How did they treat you? How many times?
Are they in your house? Where did you go? How many kinds at one time?
BL: Specifically about extraterrestrial contact?
NL: Yes. How does it move? How does the ship move? What do they ask me?
What do they want from me? What do they do to me?
BL: So these things that you're pushing, these button types of things. Do they
have letters on them or words on them? Or symbols of any kind?
NL: It might be more like a console like a computer. You just push a button when
you see things that you relate to. Instead of saying, "Yes," you push one that
looks like what you've seen. Like that. You push the things you recognize,
what you've seen. All your answers are more pushing with your finger.
BL: So there are pictures or scenes?
NL: Yeah, like pictures, and you're just touching it.
BL: Okay. Are these pictures like what we'd see on a computer screen or
television screen?
NL: It's a flat thing, like a computer screen, a panel that's set in front of you. They
keep changing it, and different pictures come up. When you answer those,
another set of buttons shows up. You push the ones that are, yes, you've seen,
and that you identify.
BL: Okay. Now, what is your reaction to all this? Any particular feeling about
having all these questions asked of you?
NL: It makes sense to me. I understand what they're doing, why they're doing
this. It really makes sense to me that they would want to know this.
BL: Oh, okay.
NL: There's something in front of me that looks like red dust. It's something
about inhaling it. You inhale it sometimes, and that's giving me a state of
mind, or calmness. I don't know what that is, exactly.
BL: Are you supposed to do everything that they [inaudible]?
NL: I think I feel restrained, but lucid at the same time. I don't feel combative. I
don't feel like I care about cooperating or not. It's all okay with me. It's all
okay with me, and it just makes sense. I know that there's somebody
watching me out there. They're watching. I feel there's human military
involved here, and this is important.
BL: Okay. So although it sounds like a couple of these, shall we say, people, there
haven't seemed fully human, some of the other ones do seem entirely human.
Is that correct?
NL: Yes. Some seem human and some only part, like the tall, white ones that
were on the column. Now, there's a mixture here of a couple of different
kinds.
BL: We're going to zoom ahead now and see if there's anything else in this
experience that would be important for you to know.
NL: Somebody tapped me on the shoulder. He's touching me on the shoulder and
telling me I did a good job, that person talking. They're going to see me
again because I did a good job. He says this when I'm leaving the bubble and
standing outside. This soldier looked like a man in a uniform wearing khaki.
He seemed nice. He has a silver mustache. He's just a man.
BL: So, he's polite and decent?
NL: Oh, the other man that was in the bubble is going somewhere else. He doesn't
come with me. He's going somewhere else. Maybe there is another ship that
he's getting in.
BL: Okay, this man, when you are outside of the bubble has been commending
you for having done very well.
NL: You know, this man I've seen before.
BL: The one with the silver mustache?
NL: This man I saw underground in one of my experiences. This guy gave me a
chance. Wow. He gave me a chance in this underground when I saw the ship
being made with all these scaffolds around it. They gave me a chance to
participate because I kept swearing that I was ready, but I wasn't ready. I
wasn't ready at all. Wow! And I was just swept out of that experience
because I was too frightened.
BL: And when you said ...?
NL: This man seems like the same man that I saw back then. He was in that room
back then. That's at least a year ago.
BL: One year or so before this one?
NL: I ran away from them.
BL: You kept saying that you weren't ready for that.
NL: I was ready. I thought I was ready to participate, consciously, without having
to be altered, in whatever was going on. And so I had an experience where I
was conscious in the beginning, alert and awake. I saw everything, but I
couldn't handle it, so I ran, and I freaked out so that I was subdued and
returned. I was disappointed. I was so disappointed that I couldn't keep
myself calm.
BL: I think that's understandable. But this time you are staying calm.
NL: Yes.
BL: But in this one, no harm's being done to you, apparently. Are they not
physically examining you?
NL: I think they took some blood. I think they may have taken some blood before
I came in and took my temperature. That's all.
BL: Okay. So nothing was particularly frightening. Is that right?
NL: Yes.
BL: Okay. Just notice now how it is that you get returned to your own home and
your bed.
NL: I walked into my room. Somebody gave me something. A drug. Some kind
of drug, or injection in the house, and walked me to my room and my bed.
BL: Okay. Was there any difficulty getting into your house or anything?
NL: We just walked in. I don't know where the dogs are. There must be a way to
calm dogs down.
BL: Okay, so you're back in bed.
NL: Mm-hmm (affirmative). I'm tired. I think I got back around 3:30, 3:40. And I
have to work in a couple of hours.
BL: Right. So you get up with the alarm, as usual.
NL: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
BL: Okay. Well, you've done very, well remembering the details of this
experience, and you'll be able to continue to remember them. Right now, we
need to come back to this time, and this place, and this situation, bringing
back everything that you've just experienced, that you've just learned and
any thoughts and any feelings that you have about that experience you will
remember all those details. You've done well.
(End of Excerpt)
And another interesting lead, from video about Richard Sauder's book Underground and Underwater Bases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fyFGpIt5Ho
@BUBearL comments below
"Met a lady on an airliner. Coming from Norfolk. Years ago now. Can't remember details, but I think her husband was a scientist or in research tied to military. Anyway, she ended up mentioning underwater research facilities being in the Bahamas and/or off Florida."
That is exactly what is said in the Law Of One session i quoted many times already which also confirms undersea base Nadine Lalich speaks about in chapter reproduced above.
Law of One 26.1.1980.
8.3 Questioner: Are these craft that are of our peoples from what we call planes that are not incarnate at this time? Where are they based?
Ra: I am Ra. These of which we spoke are of third density and are part of the so-called military complex of various of your peoples' societal divisions or structures. The bases are varied. There are bases, as you would call them, undersea in your southern waters near the Bahamas as well as in your Pacific seas in various places close to your Chilean borders on the water. There are bases upon your moon, as you call this satellite, which are at this time being reworked. There are bases which move about your lands. There are bases, if you would call them that, in your skies. These are the bases of your peoples, very numerous and, as we have said, potentially destructive.
REPORT THAT UR DESTROYED SECRET US BASE ON MOON
Date:1979 January 24, 00:00 (Wednesday)
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/P790011-1247_e.html
Speaking of Bahamas reminds me of this report
Puerto Rico secret space program base
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=2361248497345626&set=a.193173027486528&_rdc=1&_rdr
During our presentation as a speaker in the July 1993 MUFON Symposium we included in our talk details about the existence of an alleged site similar to the S-4 facility that allegedly exists in the Area 51 section of Nellis Air Force base, in Nevada, USA. One of them was based on an experience a young couple of puertorricans had in the area of Pico del Este (the Eastern Peak), in El Yunque Rain Forest.
One night in late February 1991, young Freddie González and his wife, Nilda Cuevas, went to El Yunque rainforest. With them were Nilda's younger brother, who was just a child, and their baby.
They had arrived from New York city, where they lived, an wanted to visit the forest, so they took Freddie's mother's car and headed up into the forest along road 191. Ecstatic with the beauty of the area and its lush vegetation, they reached a point where there was a large opening between the foliage in the area.
The sun was already low in the horizon when Freddie got out of the vehicle to check it and discovered that the opening was a camouflaged gate covered by thick vegetation.
They decided to continue on through the opening, and further along the way were surprised to find themselves driving on a modern, well-paved road. It was already around 7:30 PM.
"From a certain point onward, there were blue light bulbs at the road's edge, on each side," González told us in an interview. "It was like on an airport's runway at night."
He continued his explanation. "At that point we felt a weird sensation. Nilda said that we should go back, but I kept going. The road continued going up between the mountains.
"We kept on going for 2 or more miles, and reached the end of the road. There was a big metallic gate there, and a building behind it some distance away, in the middle of a mountain. Just then, two men wearing strange uniforms showed up and stopped us. They ask who we were and what we were doing there.
"They both stood some six feet tall, dressed in tight fitting, one-piece black suits of a leather-like material, similar to a diver's wet suit. They also wore a wide, black belt. Both of them wore black gloves and black boots with what looked like metallic gold buttons on their sides. These went all the way up to their knees.
"They both also wore big, oval helmets with black visors. You could not see their faces, and I can't explain how they were able to see us as it was getting dark (see drawing). Everything they wore was completely black, except for those golden buttons."
"They ordered us to stop," González added. "Then they told us to get out of the car. Thier voices sounded electronic, muffled. But they both spoke in Spanish language. Maybe their voices sounded like that because of their helmets.
"I got out of the car, but told my wife to remain inside. They asked who we were, and requested our driving licenses and Ids. We gave this to them. They looked at them and gave them back to us.
"They then examined the car's license plate, and one of them examined the bottom part of the car with a long, metallic object like a thin tube that had a mirror on its end. He said that 'everything was O.K'. Why he did that, I truly don't know.
"Then they looked at my wife, our baby, and my brother-in-law, and asked again why we were there. I explained that we wanted to have a look at the rainforest and got lost. The two men talked between themselves in a language that sounded strange, guttural-like, and garbled. I would compare it with the Russian language... or maybe German language.
"One of them left the site and at that moment I saw a car approaching. It was a dark blue pick-up truck, and inside of it were two men dressed in one-piece blue overalls like the ones mechanics use. They were Puerto Ricans, because of their accent. They spoke Spanish, and also asked us who we were and how we had gotten there. They would not talk to the tall man dressed in black, who remained there.
"I noticed that the pick-up's door had a U.S. Navy sign on it and realized, "The Navy? Of course, Navy Roosevelt Roads Station in Ceiba! It is close to the forest!"
The men in the truck looked at my wife and the kids and whispered something to the man dressed in black..."
At that moment, there was a sudden flash of light which came from the direction where the pickup truck had come from. Freddie couldn't help but see it, and he looked in that direction, but had trouble believing what he saw.
"That light," he said, "came from inside a rectangular hollowed out area which seemed to be excavated into the side of the mountain covered by vegetation.
"That rectangular area was actually an opening with big crystal doors, and inside of it was an object similar to a flying saucer! It had a circular shape with windows all around its center (see drawing by the witness).
"I could see it clearly due to the brilliance of the light inside. Some men wearing white lab coats were doing something with the saucer, like electrical soldering, and that was what produced the flashes that called my attention.
"The craft seemed to be about some 30 feet in diameter. It was metallic and silvery. It rested on some supports.
"All of a sudden I realized that I was seeing something that, perhaps, I should not be witnessing and became scared. I looked away. The men apparently were not aware that I had seen the saucer."
One of the men in the pick-up truck told the young couple that they should not be there at that time of night "...because people get lost in the dark and disappear easily in the forest without ever being seen again."
He ordered them to follow them, that they would drive them out of the area. They also instructed them that they could not talk to anyone about what they saw and what happened there."
Afraid, they obeyed, and were escorted out of the area. Once they arrived at Route 191, they began their descent from the mountaintop. The Navy pick-up truck followed them for awhile, and then suddenly disappeared from sight.
Freddie and his wife were very nervous, fearing that because of what they saw in El Yunque the U.S. Government might come after them.
In fact, two days later, while they visited the wife's parents in the town of Canóvanas, everyone present at the place noticed a dark car with four individuals inside of it parked in front of the house. The individuals inside wore fine civilian suits, neckties and dark glasses. They seemed to be watching them. Parked next to the dark car was a military camouflaged truck.
"Someone" was letting them know that they were being watched, and it was obvious to Freddie González and his wife that the reason for that was what they had seen in El Yunque.
According to the couple, Some of the individuals entered the house and talked with them, insisting they should go back with them to El Yunque to discuss something. The couple refused to go, terrified that they might "disappear" in the forest.
Once the men realized that the couple would not go with them, they departed. After this incident, González and his wife left Puerto Rico and moved to the United States, where they still reside.
González believes that the reason they were not taken by the men was due to the children being present at the time. He wonders what would have happened if they were alone that night.
We asked him why they decided to tell us their story, and he replied, "Look, I am conscious of the importance of what we saw up there, as it has many implications. But people should know about it. We deserve to know what is happening. It is our right to know."
We agreed on this with the witness. But, who were the mysterious individuals dressed with the tightfitting black suits and helmets?
Why would they be wearing this type of suit in such a warm and humid environment like the one in El Yunque rainforest?
Were they human beings or of extraterrestrial origin?
Why did they speak at times in a strange, guttural garbled language the witnesses could not identify?
What can be said for sure is that the individuals who removed the couple from the site were driving a pick-up truck labeled as belonging to the U.S. Navy, which again, implies a connection between that US military agency and the UFO situation.
This was one of the many incidents we reported in the July 1993 MUFON Symposium in Virginia.
In recent years there has been a considerable increase in U.S. military presence in the rainforest, and many visitors have been taken out from it at gun point, even when they were not in restricted areas. This was often done in an aggressive manner and without explanation.
Below illustration made by Mr. Freddie González of the object he saw inside the camouflaged facilty and depiction of the guard.
The "abandoned" US Navy base at the top of Pico del Este, the location of the meeting from the last post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pico_del_Este_(Sierra_de_Luquillo)#/media/File:Radar_towers_-_panoramio_(1).jpg
Well, you may be right, but as I have not heard of the guy who you believe to be telling the truth about Phil Schneider. I would think that the government would rather silence him, as soon as possible. And have made up all that you've just mentioned, instead. His wife continued with the videos after he was killed, that have now all been removed from youtube now, several of his videos and chats have been deleted, and his involment in Dulce, as well . There was some kind of alien war at that base also, but I forget all the details now. Of course you can believe what you want, but personally to me Phil's story is more than just 100 percent fake. Nor is the secret Dulce 7 level underground base just another false story as well? How do all the people that work there, get there. This base is on top of a steep rocky mountain, unlike Groom Lake, Area 51, S4, and possibly hundreds of other secret underground installations. In any case, I take everything with a grain of salt. Even this...
But, you know it's funny, I have been posting over 5000 posts on this forum alone, over the last bunch of years here. Yet I never heard you mention any of those things that you've mentioned lately, before. What caught my attention, was the Oasphe info, which I do believe to a Tee. But, I was not comfortable sharing. As it brings up negative discussions, instead. Like you said, we may not be ready, yet.
NickZ
Richard Sauder is quite well known in the deep underground/undersea military bases niche, Sauder is the very opposite of government agent. If you listen to any of his interviews that should be clear to you. ALL he said is that Schneider LIED about Sauder's supposed degree (i don't remember exactly which one) and that Schneider LIED Sauder worked in those military underground bases. If he lied about those things, it's not much of a stretch of imagination to see he probably lied about other things too.
I am looking at his lecture again, for i have seen all from him years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctb38JLJ2hg
His general demeanour tells me he is lying, that he like Al Bielek, Preston Nichols, and Duncan Cameron and many others was passionate about the UFO subject so he invented a story to bring awareness to the subject. He is also promoting Al Bielek, now, while Philadelphia Experiment probably happened, Al Bielek certainly did not work on it and his story is 100% made up. He is also speaking about supposed 1954. US government-greys treaty, there is really no good source for this, he is basically regurgitating classic UFO lore, mixing it with his supposed "experience". Any video that leads people to think seriously about deep underground military-ET bases is removed from youtube or sandboxed. Nothing strange there.
Of course you can believe what you want too. As for Dulce, i am not dismissing it, but Thomas E. Castello is a strange character almost nothing is known about him, not even if he really existed. Here is an in-depth analysis of the Castello story
https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread136893/pg1
And here is the key post
The first mention of Thomas E. Castello originated from Tal Levesque (a.k.a., TAL or Jason Bishop).
Thomas E. Castello was also mentioned around the same time by someone who called herself Ann west.
See the section on Thomas E. Castello below.
Here is a post relating to how the whole rumor of an alleged Dulce base started:
PAUL BENNEWITZ .......owner of Thunder Scientific Corporation (contractor to Kirtland AFB), located right next to the entrance of Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque, NM, presently operated by his sons...............from around 1979 Paul Bennewitz began to witness some strange lights hovering over Manzano underground nuclear storage area, not too far from his residence in the Four Hills area of Albuquerque.
Some researchers (such as Greg Bishop) theorize that he was looking at some tests of Project Starfire (laser-based optical tracking system being developed at that time by Sandia Laboratories next to Manzano) or possibly some tests of prototypes of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) developed by Sandia Laboratories at that time.......Paul Bennewitz later became convinced that those objects were somehow related to an underground base in northern New Mexico near Dulce.....articles on Bennewitz soon began to appear in newspapers such as the Albuquerque Journal and Albuquerque Tribune.
Paul Bennewitz began to suffer from paranoia and was later institutionalized......he passed away in 2003....his remains are buried in Veterans Cemetery in Santa Fe......Paul Bennewitz' sons seem to refuse to be interviewed.....the main reason being that Thunder Scientific Corporation still does business with Kirtland AFB....they sell military grade humidifiers and callibration instruments, many of which were developed,modified and improved by the late Paul Bennewitz.....Paul Bennewitz' wife, Cindy Bennewitz, still lives at the residence, which is located close to the Manzano underground nuclear storage facility (which allegedly was closed down in 1992) in the Four Hills area of Albuquerque.....
MYRNA HANSEN......in 1980 she claimed to have been abducted near Cimarron, NM and claimed to have been taken to an unknown underground location......She was at at that time a resident of Eagle Nest, New Mexico......Paul Bennewitz interviewed her at his house, together with Leo Sprinkle who did a hypnotic regression....Paul Bennewitz later on decided that she must have been taken into the Dulce base.....this was allegedly only after Bennewitz begun to suspect that there was a base in Dulce....later on, a Richard C. Doty (who was with AFOSI Kirtland AFB at that time) suggested to her that she might have been taken to an undergound weapons storage facility.
TOM ADAMS......he was investigating cattle mutilations in the late 1970s....Tom Adams first heard about the Dulce base from reading Paul Bennewitz' article in newspaper and other sources from around 1981....it is alleged that Tom Adams knew "Ann West").
"ANN WEST"......her true identity is not confirmed, although Tal Levesque claims that she is on Facebook with a different name.......alleged to have been an acquaintance of Tom Adams...claimed to have drawn the initial pictures of the vats of the Dulce base in 1987, yet claims to have never heard of Paul Bennewitz before........allegedly knew Tal Levesque....also claims to have known "Thomas Edwin Castello".....Tal Levesque claims that she visited him and his wife and also "Thomas Edwin Castello" in Santa Fe......Tal Levesque claims that Ann West is dangerous and is part of the "invisible government"
JOHN LEAR.......heard about Dulce allegedly from "Ann West".... befriended TAL through John Grace (a.k.a. Val Valerian)......according to Tal Levesque, John Lear retouched the Dulce drawings of "Ann West" that he received in 1987......he first came up with his Hypothesis in 1988 about Dulce and also about Area 51....John Lear has never been taken seriously by the UFO community....some people suspect that John Lear purposely throws in some ridiculous-sounding items as part of PSYOPS....he recently claimed that there are cities on the back side of the moon.
TAL LEVESQUE.....a.k.a., TAL or Jason Bishop.......he claimed that he worked in Santa Fe as a security person for a private company around 1980 or 1981.....he claimed to have begun contact with "Thomas E. Castello" who, Tal Levesque claims, worked in the same company in Santa Fe......."Thomas E. Castello" allegedly revealed his secrets to Tal....(the secret was that there was an underground U.S./alien bio-lab under Archuleta Mesa, next to Dulce and that he had worked as a security person at that facility).....but before coming out with this "Thomas Edwin Castello" story, Tal Levesque also seems to have heard initially about the Dulce base rumors from reading about Paul Bennewitz....Tal Levesque claimed that he was visited by a tall Reptoid at his home in Santa Fe in 1979.
"THOMAS EDWIN CASTELLO".....of course, there are many persons with the same name.....however, a retired Air Force Colonel who claims that he was involved in Dulce, claims that there has never been a Thomas Edwin Castello that was ever employed as security personnel in Dulce.
CHRISTA TILTON.......some researchers seem to say that she came to the scene slightly after "Ann West".....they say that Christa Tilton and Tom Adams were initially partners.....and that she was in touch with Myrna Hansen......according to Tim Beckley, Christa Tilton later on got together with Wendell Stevens.....Christa Tilton was said to have distributed her manuscript, "The Bennewitz Papers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSq1jOABq2U)" in 1987......She claimed that she was in touch with a Richard C. Doty (formerly with AFOSI at Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque)......Christa Tilton was featured on a Japanese TV program about the Dulce base back in 1989 and 1990.....Christa Tilton flew over Archuleta Mesa and over Soldier Canyon with Junichi Yaoi of Nippon TV in 1989....she appeared on Japanese TV a couple of times....and claimed to have taken a photo of a circular structure over Soldier Canyon, which is slightly SW of Dulce....
Tilton, in her manuscript "The Bennewitz Papers" expressed her belief that the whole "Thomas E. Castello" story was a fabrication......"Ann West", in turn, reportedly claimed that Christa Tilton's information was not credible.
BRANTON.......a.k.a., Bruce Walton......beginning in the early 1990s, he compiled a book called the DULCE BOOK....and aslo DULCE WARS.....Walton allegedly got most of the information from TAL...some from John Lear, some from Val Valerian (John Grace)....Tal Levesque claimed that Bruce Walton was incarcerated in 2009 in Utah for felony charges.
GABE VALDEZ.......retired New Mexico State Patrol Officer who was in charge of the Dulce area for many years (from the early 1970s to the late 1980s)......presently lives in Albuquerque....Valdez claims that the government was most likely responsible for the cattle mutilations which started happening from around 1975.......he claims that the government may have begun to periodically monitor the radiation levels of certain cattle some years later, after the 1967 underground nuclear explosion (Project Gasbuggy) which took place about 22 miles southwest of Dulce.....Valdez also states that the government "staged" several UFO incidents in the Dulce area (Archuleta Mesa, etc.) by use of high tech equipment such as prototypes of holographic image projections as well as unmanned aerial vehicles or remotely-controlled platforms that were made to resemble "flying saucers"....Valdez believes that bio-warfare experiments were conducted at Dulce and that "UFO/alien" stories were concocted by the government as cover stories to conceal various Black Projects in the area.
WILLIAM "BILL" MOORE.....who first propagated (or "revived") the story about Roswell in 1980 when he published the book INCIDENT AT ROSWELL (until Moore's book came out, most Americans had no interest or knowledge about the Roswell incident since it was long forgotten and dismissed as misidentification by the U.S. Army in 1947)......he claims that around the same time that he began to propagate the Roswell story, he was working with Richard Doty of Kirtland AFB and participated in a disinformation ploy to saturate Paul Bennewitz (who was pursuing his independent investigations on Dulce) with false information on the Dulce base.....so he claimed in a 1989 MUFON Conference that took place in Las Vegas, NV....however there is no verifiable documentation whatsoever that Moore participated in such disinformation ploy in any official capacity.....except for his verbal "confession" that he made at a 1989 MUFON conference in Las Vegas, Nevada).
RICHARD C. DOTY.....initially with Kirtland AFB AFOSI around 1979, 1980 and 1981......he was not a high-ranking officer.....he claims he participated in disinformation, along with Moore.....again, there is no documentation that he participated in such disinformation ploy at Kirtland AFB AFOSI in any official capacity.....even though Paul Bennewitz' name and Doty's name appear on one or two Kirtland OSI documents because Kirtland AFB invited Bennewitz to testify to what he allegedly was seeing over Manzano storage areas.....later on Richard C. Doty became a promoter of the SERPO PROJECT (which some researchers seem to describe as being a total fabrication)...Project Camelot seems to have bought Doty's story hook, line and sinker......presently he is working as New Mexico Highway Patrol Officer....about to retire in a couple of months.
The most sane person, surprisingly, may have been Paul Bennewitz himself and Gabe Valdez.
It is quite possible that Paul Bennewitz had long only pretended that he had been "brainwashed" by some within the AFOSI, while he continued to conduct his own investigations into Dulce. But, nevertheless, he couldn't himself overcome his growing paranoia. Another possible scenario may have been that there was a dissension among the AFOSI and an element among the group may have provided Bennewitz with some crucial information on Dulce.
Phil Schneider was never a part of the initial Dulce base rumors.
He only came to the scene in 1995.
It was only in 1989 that Bob Lazar first came out with the story that there was an altercation between the U.S. military and "alien entities" in an underground installation. Lazar never specified any location.
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All this needs to be studied deeply if one is to ascertain adequately what is the Truth.
At least one of images supposedly originated by Castello has been found to be from the 2000. movie The 6th day but that alone does not discredit the original story, anyone can post a fake photo from a movie and associate it with previous case.
https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/4927910e
So Dulce story is questionable, but not that important, cause there is no doubt that New Mexico is one of THE hotspots for deep underground bases of which there are probably hundreds and i mentioned many of them already like
Northrop RCS Facility, Tejon, California. Decades of UFO sightings and abductions in the area, discs coming off runways, anti-gravity drones aka probes, etc. Apparently it goes 42 stories underground, hence the nickname Anthill.....
https://youtu.be/nADPouWFfSE?t=1475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkXzcPoKaDg
Lockheed Martin Skunk Works RCS facility, Helendale, McDonnell Douglas "Llano" RCS facility, Gray Butte etc.
And this case i also shared already also talking about underground military-ET base near Albuquerque. Question arises was he taken to Dulce or is it another base inside a mountain.
https://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/Sandia.html
And so on infinitely.
Getting into the underground bases is the least issue, concealed entrances can be literally anywhere, besides they are connected by tunnels underground. Dulce is not "on top of a mountain" but inside it but that is what you supposedly meant.
I take everything with grain of salt as well, and, like everyone, some things i believe more than others.
As for your not noticing that i talked of these things before, well, you were not paying attention.
Just one out of countless examples, more than 3 years ago, ALL these things
Quote from: nix85 on May 01, 2020, 11:17:47 AM
Since sinking of Poseida, last island of Atlantis archipelago, in 9,564 BC, certain brotherhoods kept gravity control techonology, safe in remote, usually underground retreats, in constant contact with ETs and underground races. In modern day with advent of power electronics in 19th century, certain inventors rediscovered that higly condensed electric charge can shield gravity and 1897 Mystery Airship wave followed, like this one for example. http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/oddities/page8.html
Many rediscovered the same electrogravity interaction later including Germans whose 50m wide craft is reported in this FBI document, whole Vril, Haunebu series and all that.
https://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%2012%20of%2016/view#document/p88
US and other major players followed and developed their own versions of similar technology, one example being American ARV Fluxliner built by Northrop Grumman, McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing) and General Electric.
https://imgur.com/CA7CIU3
All the D.U.M.B.S of which some are totally unknown like the one in Sandia mountains, or some at least known to exist like Northrop RCS facility "Anthill" - Tejon Ranch, Lockheed Helendale RCS facility - Nevada Test Site, Douglas facility, Llano, Edwards Airforce base, China Lake Naval Weapons test center..
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter28.htm
And finally few reports of man-made sub and hyperluminal vehicles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EmlV8OGmJg
Some photos of these birds, screenshots of JL Walson's telescope footage.
https://imgur.com/crHpwyS
https://imgur.com/SIgEdGD
https://imgur.com/ExqdkFy
The link to thewatcherfiles files is no longer active but it is backedup, a mustread about Tejon and other bases.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030411083538/http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter28.htm
Sure, Oasphe caught your eye, but Oasphe is just a small part of a big big puzzle and still question needs to be addressed why it makes no mention of Atlantis. Public is not ready most definitely. To each his own.
16,714 pages of close encounters, everything I have from Humanoid Encounters by Alberto Rosales packed into one giant PDF. The most thorough insight into the scale and nature of contact that occurs constantly.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ktdsp1mblmmjjpr/HUMANOID_ENCOUNTERS.pdf/file
Following years are included in the file
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Possible Nazi saucer
Antarctic, 1967., witness saw large silver disk break through 37 feet of ice and fly off. Another confirmation Antarctica is a UFO hotspot. Impacting ice at high speed is like hitting a rock, must've used a disintegration beam or partially melted the ice with microwaves before impact or propulsion and protective field was set to max power or all of the above.
"One evening in the Antarctic, a Brazilian scientist by the name of Dr. Rubens J. Villela, seconded to the U.S. Navy's "Operation Deep Freeze" and aboard an icebreaker, was literally Jolted almost out of both his body and his mind by a "something" that suddenly came roaring up out of the sea through no less than 37 feet of ice, and went on up into the sky like a vast silvery bullet. The ship was in Admiralty Bay, which faces the South Atlantic Ocean. The only other witnesses were the officer on the watch and the helmsman, as it was an extremely cold day and all other personnel were below decks. Further, these witnesses saw only the tag end of the performance because they were busy with charts; but what they did witness was quite enough. Enormous blocks of ice had been hurled high into the air and came cascading down all around the hole burst through the thick ice-sheet, and the water was rolling, and apparently boiling, while masses of steam issued from both the hole and the descending ice.
This reference: Invisible Residents by Ivan T. Sanderson, p. 3, © 1970
Original reference "U.F.O.'s—at 450 Fathoms!, by Ed Hyde in "Man's Illustrated", March 1966
One of the cases from Humanoid Encounters above, this one is far out, but i believe it.
Apparently Nazis tried to take over a planet in another solar systems in 1948.
Location: Near Lazarevskoe, Sochi, Russia.
Date: August 18, 1948. Time: Daytime.
Valentin Stepanovich was fishing on a small river near the mountains when suddenly he saw a silver, cigar shaped craft nearby, and several luminous balls of light separated from the object and flew in the direction of the witness. He also noticed several tall and beautiful women nearby, with long blond hair and smiling. Suddenly he blacked out and when he regained consciousness he found himself onboard a craft, lying on a bed inside a room. An alien "Nordic" woman entered the room, and telepathically communicated with him, he agreed to go with them. The flight apparently lasted 3 months, but a year had passed on the Earth. While in space, he walked among the crew, and explored different rooms. The craft was cigar shaped, more than 100 meters long and approximately 30 meters in diameter. The aliens told him that it was flying beyond the speed of light, like "piercing" space. The craft had two power plants on each end. The partitions between the craft's compartments could be walked through. These passages were colored in different shades. He slept and ate for a long time. Soon they landed on the alien planet that was approximately twice bigger than earth. It was divided into three huge continents. The aliens were tall, more than 2.0 meters in height, biologically similar to humans, with an average life span of 300-400 years. They resembled Nordic people, with blond hair, and slightly slanted bluish, greenish, grayish eyes. The women were beautiful. All the aliens were dressed in a single piece tight-fitting silver suit made out of a multi-layered composite material, with automatic cooling and heating systems and a system to extract waste. The suits protected them from radiation and from all sorts of weapons. The suits also had a multi-functional device installed into its lower part of the breast area. It was for visual and audio communication purposes as well as an antigravity controller. Stepanovich was also made to dress into this suit and his terrestrial clothing was put away. At first he communicated with the aliens via telepathy but soon learned their language enough to be able to communicate. The aliens possessed a number of small disc-shaped craft used for planetary transport, and possessed huge underground industrial areas. The landscapes inside were picturesque, and plants were grown hydroponically. He became acquainted with the alien's history. He learned that there had been a war between the current race of tall blond aliens and a shorter race of dwarf-like beings. The war destroyed the dwarf-like race completely. Valentin met an alien woman named 'Liffa' and soon fell in love with her. At one time he attempted to kiss her, and her skin became extremely red and she told him to get away from her. For this transgression he; Stepanovich, was punished and was briefly exiled to a polluted and radioactive satellite moon. He survived the exile and soon he was allowed to marry Liffa. (!) They had a child together. Valentin also helped the aliens with a small problem. There was a small colony of humans taken from Earth to that planet. Its leader was a German with Nazi ideas. Valentin soon realized that this man and his friends wanted to take control of the planet and informed the aliens about the situation. The rebels were quickly and safely neutralized, soon after this, Valentin returned to earth. He was interrogated by the Russian secret police since he could not explain where he had been for three years. He wrote his fascinating adventure on an unusual notebook, which was later confiscated by the police.
HC addendum. Source: Anton Anfalov, Ukraine. Type: G * * * * * * *
Nix85:
Good thing that I was wrong about that Dulce base, as well as Phil Schneider.
However, as this story rings close to home, you and any others interested, may want to see this video, about what happened at Dulce base. As over 60 people died there, and much much more. So, please check this video on YouTube below, for more information.
"Don't believe Dulce base exists".This video will change your mind.
By, What lurks beneath.
Of course this is all just, "100 percent fake".
Or is it...
NickZ
Where is your hyper link ?
I'm on my phone. Where are your searching skills.
Just search YouTube for Dulce base. It will show up.
NickZ
Did i say or imply Dulce base is "100 percent fake". No i did not. I clearly wrote Phil Schneider is "100 percent fake", not Dulce base.
The video you linked literally repeats the stuff i already posted above on Dulce story story but he does it click-bait, no discernment, video is typical youtube story telling (views making), for example he starts the Schneider part with "Schneider claimed"...and in very next sentence proceeds to narrate what Schnider said as "fact", "claimed" part is no longer, now viewer is to accept Schneider was honest. Guy in the video does not even mention Jason Bishop aka "TAL" who originated the Dulce story. He does shows that supposed aliens in the incubation chamber photo and says it was taken by Castello, and admits what i already wrote before, that "photo" is a scene from Arnold Schwarzenegger's 2000. movie The 6th day. As for animal mutilations, they happen all over and that alone by far does not prove Dulce base as originated by TAL.
For Dulce i wrote it's questionable but i don't dismiss it. I even posted a map of Dulce-Albuquerque distance and Sandia case below (very important) that might be Dulce or Dulce-like facility in Albuquerque area. As i have written in previous post
"And this case i also shared already also talking about underground military-ET base near Albuquerque. Question arises was he taken to Dulce or is it another base inside a mountain."
And i don't think it's Dulce, for description is different.
And quote from the article...
"Where they ended up was inside an underground Sandia mountain range base with the largest hanger doors and a landing strip inside that could support 3 jets abreast or a b-29. He said (the cousin) he had never seen a landing strip that big before. Not even on land."
"He told Harold there were whole colonies of people living inside this mountain range base and he believed he had witnessed what people call 'alien' and 'UFO's' parked in that restricted area."
"She said her son dropped by once to let her know they were all right. She said to Harold did you know these ships can travel into space in seconds? Her son was now traveling into space aboard very fast ships. She advised Harold to drop pursuing the case because these people involved are a people you want nothing to do with. Their dangerous."
https://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/Sandia.html
I posted the Dulce story history summarized in that ATS post and that myth was started by Jason Bishop aka "TAL" who claimed to have worked with Thomas Castello in 78-79 as a security and that Castello told him about Dulce where he supposedly worked.
Since no shred of evidence exists that Castello really existed, whole story relies on Bishop's claim who, allegedly according to his sister (which of course might or might not have been faked) was mentally ill, just like Schenider supposedly according to his brother. More here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGs5VHU4cFI
I don't even exclude Schneider was murdered for drawing attention to military-ET underground bases subject, but his own "testimony" was indeed 100% fake.
So, as i clearly wrote before, there is no question there are underground military-ET bases in Albuquerque area, but is particular Dulce story as originated by Bishop true is inconclusive to say the least.
So read my posts better, for i never said "100% fake" for Dulce but for Schneider, and do more and better research.
Ummo case is one of bigger contactee cases and well known in the field.
In short they come from a solar system WOLF 424 in the Constellation of VIRGO 14 light years away which they traverse in 8-9 months. They look nordic, tall and blonde. They are generally peaceful and loving but also very hierarchical and prone to humiliation punishments for "disobedience". Vast majority of them lose ability to speak in puberty, those sent to Earth were rare who had the ability apparently assisted with a device and still they had trouble speaking sounding nasal.
Actual recording of one of Ummites speaking in Spanish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUlNAWA-MuM
UMMO inspired music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq2erT53g1g
What follows is interesting bit about a sleepover of group of Ummites in Madrid at a home of one of people to whom they were dictating.
An incredible letter
Next is a summary from a incredible letter to Villagrasa about the visitors from UMMO and their contact to the author of this letter:
(Received 6 June 1967 in the evening)
Senor D. Enrique Villagrasa
Madrid
Madrid, 4 June 1967
Dear Sir:
A few months ago I wrote you a letter about a meeting that we had planned but which, as I'll explain farther on, could not be held. I am the gentleman who up to now has been typing what the gentlemen from the planet UMMO have been dictating to me.
You have surely heard about everything that has been happening these days, and I couldn't resist the temptation to be frank with you. I think what has happened exceeds anything that one can imagine. You recall in my last letter I told you my story which, if it were told to many people, they would think I was crazy, but you know them and can understand me. Even my wife, who up to a few days ago was quite sceptical and thought they were spies (you know already that when a women gets something into her head, she doesn't reason and there is no one who can convince her with arguments), has had to give in before the evidence and what has been happening, because now maybe people who don't know anything about this are right in not believing it, but we who have lived it, and I think I have lived through more of it than you, would have to be crazy not to admit the facts.
During the months since I wrote you, more things have happened. Do you remember the proposition we made to this gentleman to whom they were writing a great deal and who is a professor of medicine, who is skeptical and doesn't even think they come from UMMO (although I suppose he may have changed his opinion now)?
Well, on their return they learned about this and got rather angry; they forbade us from going on with planning the meeting, indicating that they would cut off all contact with us if we did continue, and giving as a reason that we had promised to keep the affair secret. I went to visit the doctor and he received me in a state of worry about the matter.
He told me that everything was very strange and confused (I don't see it as confused and even less so now). He told me he admitted that the events were quite extraordinary and that he maintained a correspondence with another doctor in North America with whom they (Ummites) were also corresponding and that, yes, he believed they were extra-terrestrials, but that he could not admit it because he said it was absurd ("absurd" he may think it, but no one can convince me now of the contrary), and that he thought it was some commission from some state for purposes unknown to us (why look for problems where there are none? So this gentleman may be a professor and very intelligent, but some things, if they don't believe them, have to be ex-plained more logically, but giving no explanation is even the more absurd). Anyway he recognized that they were exceptional strangers with erudition and procedures unknown in medicine.
And he recognized that he owed them a lot and that the gentlemanly attitude would be to comply with their request and not call a meeting of everybody we know personally by letter or telephone as we had then planned. The wife of this professor, who was with us (because I always went with my wife) also felt that we should comply with keeping the secret as they asked; in fact she was more of a believer than her husband. Of course, to tell the truth, he didn't say it wasn't the truth, but only that he doubted it before he finally admitted it.
At this point other gentlemen from UMMO came to our house. I knew one who did not speak, and another one who was older and who had spent a lot of time in South America. These days we have had a lot of work. In addition to which I know they are also dictating letters to another gentleman who is an administrative assistant. I wrote under dictation to other gentlemen to whom we had not written before, all of them in Madrid except one in Valencia, this last one also a doctor, and the others are an engineer of the I.C.A.I., a writer, a university professor of Exact Sciences, and two others whose professions I don't know. I talked by phone with the professor of Exact Sciences and he was quite intrigued and asked me a lot of questions, but finally told me that he thought I was the one who had been writing the papers covering some questions he asked about a thing called THEORY OF RETICULA in its application to stochastical processes. If you could have seen how surprised he was by the answer they gave him! It took a lot of work to make him see that I had not studied mathematics and was not a professor as he said I was. On the other hand, they have stopped writing to some of the gentlemen, for example the industrial engineer
On account of all this, my brother- in-law, who had been told what was happening, had a quarrel with me because he thought the affair could get us into serious trouble, but when they don't give any reasons, I don't accept advice, so I answered by asking him to tell me what kind of trouble could happen to me. Because when I type things they dictate to me, I am not doing anything against the law. The truth is that he was more scared than I was because he finally became convinced that they were telling the truth in saying they came from UMMO.
But from having dealt with them I am convinced they are the best people I have ever seen in my lifetime. We of Earth would like to be as free of malice (ondskap)as they are, and so understanding and impartial in comprehending the most intimate things. Just to hear the gentleness and earnestness with which they reprehend and say things makes their portrait. And don't think they are fools; even when they glance at you, they seem to be looking through you.
But toward the close of last year they dictated some things to me in which they said to one of their correspondents that one of their interplanetary ships was going to come between Janary and May.
In fact, on a visit from two of them on Sunday, 14 May, I noticed that something was in the wind because they dictated a letter that amazed me because it was a commercial letter going to Australia, re- questing information about thermacoustic insulating panels. They had never dictated anything like this. The most curious feature was that they brought some sheets and a stamped envelope with the name of a Madrid commercial firm specializing in the decorating of commercial premises. (out of curiosity I went to that address and know that it is an architect we had never written before.)
Besides, they began coming to the house with more assiduity to dictate things of a scientific nature, but on the other hand they were paying less attention to this matter because a recently written report was reviewed by their superior, named DEI 98, who had ordered me to mail it immediately. Now, for a change, they are dictating more things and they gave me a sort of agenda of instructions by which to mail them out at greater intervals on different dates to each person. For example, something I sent you about a mathematical problem of the IBOZOO UU - I had been keeping longer waiting for the date marked down for it On Corpus Christi Day they phoned for me at 11:00 in the morning. I was not in and my wife answered. They said they would call again at two. The gentleman in charge of them, DEI 98, came to the telephon and asked if he could talk with my "YIE" (they call wives YIE) and me at six in the afternoon about a matter that was important to them. I said yes, and worriedly consulted my wife on it because he insisted that there be no one else in the house at that time besides us.
[There must be some universal reason for this secrecy imperative because we find it in so many UFO contact cases throughout the world It is almost as it there were some universally understood reason why these activities should remain carefully restricted. -Publisher]
At that hour DEl 98 arrived with another gentleman I did not know and whom he introduced to me as IAUDU 3. This gentleman did not utter a word. We gathered in the dining room and DEl 98 told my wife and me they were expecting by 31 May or perhaps a bit sooner - one of their ships which would land in Madrid and for this reason many of "their brothers" (they call each other brother although they are not blood relatives) had come to Madrid. They wanted from us what they called a great favor. He said that on the following day the lady who was the superior or chief of all the Ummites who were here on Earth, would arrive in Madrid. He said she was coming from Singapore vi London and that they had begun to study the matter of her lodging, and preferred to spend the night in a private home rather than in a hotel, subject to acceptance of the plan by my wife and me, but begging us not to feel the slightest obligation and if we forsaw any inconvenience or felt any fear about it, to tell them in all frankness.
My wife hurried to say yes, but that she felt embarrassed because our house lacks the comforts of a hotel; however, she said she could sleep in our double bed and we would either make ourselves comfortable in the sofabed or else, if necessary, we would go to my mother-in-law's home. I for my part said the only preoccupation was finding c explanation in case the concierge found out, although it would really be no big problem because we could say, for example, that they were friends we met on our vacation in Malaga, of Swedish nationality. DEI 98 explained that the persons who would overnight would be two women YU 1, daughter of AIN 368, and another "sister" who, as I will explain, must have been at the same time her secretary and maid (I'll tell you shortly, because we had time to talk with her), and he also told us something that astounded us: That in no way would she sleep in our bed while we lay down out here; that we should choose an available room for her and she would sleep on the floor! And that her companion would not be sleeping while her superior was doing so.
On 26 May at seven in the evening there came ASOO 3 son of AGU 28 (whom I already knew because he had dictated things to me for various people) along with the same silent gentleman of the day before. They carried an average leather suitcase, very modern and of medium size, which we believed would be the things of the two ladies who were to come. They chatted with us after asking to look at all the rooms. They said they were waiting for nightfall in order to do something. Their Superior would arrive around ten-thirty. We also learned that in the street "several more brothers" were waiting. They did not want to accept anything but water.
It was getting dark when they asked us to turn off the light in the dining room and to open up the balcony wide. The one who did not speak Spanish remained seated motionless with his eyes closed as if hypntized, and the other one took out what looked like a ballpoint pen and this began to emit a continuous buzz that went higher and lower because something was being communicated to them. Meanwhile the other one awakened from time to time and spoke to him in their language.
Night had now fallen. It was about ten-twenty and they put the suitcase in front of the balcony and opened it. My wife and I were seated without saying a word, and very impressed. Since across the street from us there is a neon sign of an electric appliance shop, we saw all they were doing even though our lights were turned out. First they looked carefully to see if there was anyone on the balconies which, although not across from us in the other facade of the building, are not far away. Then they began to take out of the suitcase things like metallic balls the size of a tennis ball and other smaller ones. I had already seen one months before. It is something extraordinary. They stay in the air and go to all heights as if controlled by radio. In addition they took out two more things, although they couldn't be seen well, were shaped like this: (picture not here).
In all they removed some twenty or more of different kinds. Onie by one they took them out on the balcony and, as if they were little bubbles or balloons, they disappeared toward the street. At least four more passed near the roof bordering the lamp and floated into the hallway of the house.
[Here is the first detailed explanation of the purpose and use of the mysterious mini-sondes reported in so many UFO close encounter cases. Here again, because of their widespread employment by many different ET visitors, this must be a nearly universal technology completely unknowwn to us at this time. -Publisher]
Then they asked our permission and went into the hallway and we heard the door to the street open. When they came back, the suitcase was empty. All this time the one who did not know Spanish was manipulating a metal rod with a disc in the center.
At a quarter to eleven the doorbell rang. Most surprising was that, while chatting with us, ASOO told us that they had arrived at the street door and, although I know that the gate does not close until later, they said it was not wise to go down to receive them.
Nervously we opened (the door) for them. Accompanied by DEl 98 were two young ladies. One of them was taller and the other much younger and petite; they wore very modern elkskin coats, the larger girl a maroon color and the younger one a slight green, the one we now knew to be the "Superior". She carried a plastic flight bag with the airline acronym "DEA". They carried no other luggage. Both were blond and wore their hair loose. They were dressed in a modern but tasteful fashion.
The small one (who was the chief), with an English accent and speakmg Spanish very badly although understandably, addressed my wife and said something to the effect that she thanked her from the heart for the hospitality of the "Country of Spain". We all went into the dining room after the two men who had come earlier, took leave. In w whole life I have never felt more at ease, for when Miss YU 1, my wife and I sat down, the larger girl, whose name was something like UUOO 120 or so, and DEl 98, who is the man who has most impressed me in my life with his infinite intelligence, remained standing, which was very unnatural, and that I criticize even if it was out of respect for their superior, because they ought to have realized that my wife and I felt very strained.
For example, since nothing escapes me, I noticed that every time she asked for something, they lowered their eyes when answering as if they did not dare to look at her. She is little more than a youngster; she can't be over nineteen so far as we know, but she looks sixteen. The other girl looked some twenty-three or twenty-five. Of course what most surprised my wife was that she, the youngest of all those here, was the one in command, so she blurted it out. The three of them laughed and the Superior said that we must not think that on UMMO the young girls are in command, that this depends on many factors.
We talked a great deal about Spanish customs. The only thing that disgusted them was the bulls. Nothing was said about the planet UMMO. She asked a lot of questions about the Spanish government; she knew about many things, the Referendum and even the Cortes. I told her that we did not want to mix in politics since the reds killed my father in the war. I was astounded by what she knew. My wife listened to her timidly without daring to say anything. She realized this and very gently began to talk about Spanish cooking, then remarked that she was saddened to learn that Spanish women read little and are not given an intellectual education as are the men, and she was sure their feminity is never lost with greater education. Then she looked at the other girl with a smile and the latter opened the traveling bag and handed my wife a marvelous home encyclopedia with color plates in Spanish.
We had supper there; my wife was amazed because the two women forced her to let them help her. What surprised us more is that they ate like us, but refused to take wine. They had already told us they wanted a sample meal, and my wife had prepared beforehand baked potatoes, boiled eggs, and for them fruit (oranges and bananas). Another absurd thing is that throughout the meal the Superior insisted so much on helping my wife that when it was over, she (the Superior) washed the pots while her secretary remained standing without helping, as my wife told me afterwards. Her timidity had left her by then and they chatted a great deal while they were drying the dishes. (I stayed at the table talking with DEl 98). Another thing that surprised us was that before starting to eat they requested permission to remove their shoes. The older girl knelt and with naturalness took off the shoes of their Superior, and then the two of them removed their own footwear. Seated during the supper, they did not speak unless she directed questions to them.
The most strained moment came now, for they very discreetly asked permission to retire. Again we begged them to use our bed or at least the sofa-bed, but it was useless.
DEl 98 went out on the street. I learned he was heading for a near by hotel where they had set up a kind of temporary official center for themselves. I believe this was with the sole mission of protecting MissYU I.
Besides that I think there were several of them walking about in the area all night.
I say it was a very unnatural situation because she wouldn't even let my wife give her a blanket. She told us smilingly that she was not know what to do or say. The older girl, who spoke much better Spanish than her superior, asked our permission to "throw something on the floor", telling us not to worry because on the following day there would be nothing there nor would the floor tiles be damaged in any way. She took out what looked like a nickel-plated cylinder and an incredible quantity of yellow foam came out of it and left a big patch on the floor like varnish(lakk). We did not dare even to ask about it. Miss YU I stayed in it and we three went out. The other girl said she would not lie down but would stay all night in the hallway. When we went into our bedroom, we were so nervous and worried that we did not dare to undress. I don't know why, but it occurred to my wife to make me more nervous by saying that maybe the police might come, as if we were committing a crime or doing something bad.
We sat on the bed without talking for twenty minutes, then my wife goes and says she wanted to knock in case they needed anything. After-wards she told me about it. The older girl was walking up and down in the hallway with her arms crossed. In a low voice my wife asked if she could bid her good night and ask her if she needed anything. The other said that in fact it would be a courtesy and for her to go in without knocking; my wife had been about to rap on the door but the other one told her obligingly to just go in because she was sure she was not sleeping yet. The two of them went in. Our dining room has a large table and there is a little table in one corner near the balcony. The balcony was half open. The light was off, but my wife says that on the floor beside her and the little table there was something like a disc a bit larger than a fifty-peseta coin that was phosphorescing a great deal and she could be seen quite well. She sat up and my wife asked if she wanted anything, that she was nervous thinking she might be uncomfortable. My wife says she had on a big kind of bathrobe. As the light was tenuous, she could not distinguish the material. They spoke a few words and left again.
In the corridor she spoke with the other woman. They talked a long time in low voices. This "Senorita" turned out to be married, with a husband on UMMO, and she had been selected for our planet. There on UMMO she was, as we would say, a teacher of a specialty of mathematics and her mission on Earth my wife did not know how to explain very well, but apparently it was related to the study of the history of the physicists who were here in bygone ages. While in Mexico she had committed a disobedience and it seems she was being punished by having to serve her chief as a maid. In short, a long story.
We got up early. The two women were already chatting in the dining room.They requested permission to go into the bathroom. First the older of them bathed and YU stayed out talking with me. Then she went in too. A strange thing that my wife observed was that they had not used the towels or soap in spite of the fact that the bathtub had been used. The yellow patch on the floor was no longer there. Nothing could be found even with a magnifying glass! They wanted no breakfast but insisted that we have ours. Another thing occurred. wile YU One was talking with us, the other woman stood looking closely at all the dininwroom furniture. The younger one noticed it and this time in their language she said something in a tone that sounded gentle to us, but the older woman, UUO, blushed, her lips trewibled and her eyes moistened. w pretended not to notice this and continued talking.
They left early and returned that night. We shall never forget the conversations we had with that young woman. My wife was so impressed that she confessed to me that now she truely believes they were from UMMO. Furthermore, that same day, the 27th, DEl 98 came and dictated several things to me, among them letters you would receive. One told of the arrival in Brazil, Bolivia and Spain of their interplanetary ships.
He dictated more reports and said he would continue doing so Sunday and tuesday because he did not know if their Superior would give all of them orders to depart, but he suspected she would, because he knew no one would be coming off the ship and that all his brothers had received orders to leave the other countries they were in and to group themselves in Brazil, Bolivia and Spain. I asked him whether they would be coming back and he said he did not even know for sure if they were leaving. I asked him if she would know, or whether she was expecting orders on reaching the ships, and he said it was not necessary to wait for the ships in order to learn the orders (they call the ships OAUELEA UEBA OEMM). He said she knew but was not accustomed to giving explanations to her subordinates. He said that just in case, he himself would dictate a few more reports so that in case they left I could send them to certain people on definite dates. (In fact he gave me three more reports to type for three people living in Paris and Lyon, written in French.)
The next day, Sunday, YU One returned in the afternoon without her companion but accompanied by ASOO 3 and another man unknown to me, very young, and who did not speak Spanish either (or did not wish to speak it). They gave me some little packages to mail and an envelope for me, asking that I not open it, although ASOO 3 asked me when we were alone to keep my identity secret whatever happened, for if they returned to Earth, I and another gentleman were their only contacts in Spain.
YU I took leave of us Thesday morning, saying that they would not be sleeping any more in our house, that they would spend the night on the outskirts of Madrid. DEl 98 came to pick her up and they entered a taxi whose number I wrote down. We hated to see them go. I haven't seen them since.
[Tuesday was the 30th of May. They were picked up the evening, 1. june.]
From newspapers I learned that the ship arrived. In one of the papers they even had photographs of it. All wednesday night my wife and I were walking about in the area of the Casa de Campo y Arguelles because they told us the landing was most probable in wednesday rather than Thursday.
On Thursday we were in University City (La Ciudad Universitaria) until eleven at night and, since we weren't seeing anything, dead for sleep, we retired. The following afternoon we found out about it in the daily newspaper PUEBLO and bought all the afternoon papers to look for news. We also called ....... (sic) by phone but there was no answer.
For some time now I had had no doubt about them, but this experience, in case any doubt were left, finally convinced me and my wife. I didn't know if I was dreaming. If it weren't for you who were receiving their letters, and also my wife, who has now met them, and my brother-in-law, and the news reports in the newspapers, I would have thought I was crazy. This was the greatest experience of my life, and if it weren't for their having asked me to use discretion, I wouldn't care if they took me for crazy and would shout it to the four winds.
Only one thing worries me now: why did they go that way, so suddenly, and furthermore all of them? Sunday night my wife and I had a long chat with her. She (YU I) gave us marvelous tips about meals and about how to train the children. We talked about the space flights of the Americans to the moon, and she told us things about astronomy that left us with our mouths open, to the point that I, who in the beginning had been bothered by the fact that she were no more than a lass(ungjente), now felt dominated by her.
I don't know how the scrap between Egypt and the Jews came up, but I asked her opinion and she said for us to be calm, that there would be no world war, but then she became pensive (tankefull)and the two of them looked at each other very significantly. Then, as if realizing that we had caught that glance, she repeated in a steady voice that we should rest assured there would be no such war. But I have been thinking the matter over. Why did they all leave so suddenly? It's said that rats abandon ships about to sink. They have been making their studies, have been dictating scientific reports and other things to me, and suddenly ... Was she telling us there would be no war in order to tranquilize us the way they lie to children in war-time before a bombardment? They are well informed about politics and economics. Before the explosion of the Chinese boob, DEl 98 announced it to me with the exact time, and then the newspapers reported it (which made me think perhaps my wife was right and they were spies).
At last I've unburdened myself to you, because I had to. Tonight I intend to write another letter to another gentleman who has been receiving the reports. I offer you my friendship, for you and I have been witnesses of this.......
https://www.galactic.no/rune/ummo.html
More on Ummite way of life, technology, history etc.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/w6571mo770ja29k/UMMO.zip/file
Well you're right, it's all just fake BS.
Sorry to bore you ... Phil was just repeating more of his BS, he never work there at Dulce, etc. Thanks for your opinion.
. NickZ
Did i ever say or imply it's all just fake bs. I did not. Just the contrary. No one researches & promotes this subject more than me.
All i said is Schneider is a well intended liar. Sorry to burst your Schneider bubble....
He was indeed never there, he made it up just like Commander X, Al Bielek, Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron and many others like these "supersoldiers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYvnKc908Fw)".... Thanks for your opinion too.
Nix
Well, when you say that someone did not work at Dulce, and is a lier, and you show no proof. Whos options should I believe?
Are you some kind of expert on Phils life, or is this all hear say? As his testimony to me is pretty eye opening, on his videos, sorry that you don't think so. Or, you've heard it before, years ago, etc.
Yes, he has been dead for years.
Now, all the videos under his name on You Tube don't apear that he made which I had once viewed. Listen, I am not trying to convince you or any one of any thing. But, if you'd like me to listen to your opinions, about a supposed lier, you should show some proof. As that is no insignificant detail.
NickZ
Firstly, burden of proof is on one making a claim, in this case you. You can't prove the negative. He claimed he worked at Dulce and he showed no proof. But lack of proof is not the issue for almost no one in this field has any proof whatsoever.
And don't write platitudes like "Whos options should we believe?", there is no "we", each person must use his own intelligence and figure out his own opinion to best of his ability at particular time.
Now, in this field in general, it's almost all claims. So we must use over discernment and prior knowledge and intuition. And as i said, to me, he clearly comes off just like number of similar people who made up a story to raise awareness about the very real and important subject.
His videos are not gone, just sandboxed, as i said, like all videos that make people seriously ponder deep underground military bases. Just few out of MANY of his multi-hour lectures available on youtube, if you just dug a bit deeper (and in general too).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9COrANDQvWg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWFU4oVVryY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctb38JLJ2hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8WeUDbFpyI
Listen, I am not trying to convince you of anything either. But, if YOU'd like me or us to listen to your opinions, about a supposed non-liar, YOU should show some proof to back up his story. As that is no insignificant detail.
Well you've made your point, I'll see you later.
Not into this type of discussion. I posted a link, I made NO claims, nor am into your arguments. So...
And perhaps others will appreciate his videos.
As that was the point, although some may not agree. That's ok...
NickZ
Not into this type of discussion either. As for "I posted a link, I made NO claims", let's see.
"I recommend those interested to search YouTube under the name of Phil Schneider and his experience at the New Mexico underground base called Dulce. First hand testimony of what happened to him there, and afterwards as well."
I don't see "supposed" or "alleged" or "he claims", so you did make a claim.
Nor am i into your arguments. So...
I don't win, neither do you, it is not a battle, i don't know where you got that silly idea. This is a fascinating and important subject and one needs to dig deep and wide with much discernment before coming to conclusions and making claims.
As i said, Schneider was in my opinion a good guy who wanted to and did succeed in bringing attention to the subject. That he never lived it is not that much of importance. I do enjoy his videos for he shared the passion for the same subject.
Nix
You are rude, and arrogant and think that you know more and can tell me what to do or think.Well, I don't need it, at all. And don't expect you to understand me, instead of your responds, so far. But, I am no kid, so save it for your kids, instead. I have respected you... But I, not "we" don't care for your negative replies.
NickZ
HA! You're talking about yourself, YOU're rude and arrogant, and refuse to accept you estimated wrong (again, just like for Darryl Anka's "channeling"). I am not telling you what to think or what to do AT ALL and i don't care for YOUR negative replies.
Nix
Ok, well, you sound like a parrot. I have no more to discuss.
Glad that you understand. NickZ
Sweet projections. Now go defend Schneider's "testimony" somewhere else, you parrot.
Tnx for entertaining me.
Nix
Interesting case from Ukraine about next 'dimension' (astral plane) of Earth coexisting with this one.
Location. Ai-Petri plateau near Yalta, Crimea, Ukraine
Date: Spring 1989 Time: night
Approximately two and a half years after their initial contact, the tall "Nordic" aliens increased their trust in Viktor as their "agent" on earth, almost like a trusted member of their civilization, both mentally and physically. He was then initiated into one of their most guarded of secrets---he received permission to regularly visit the alien underground portal located under the Ai-Petri plateau, which led into the alien realm (dimension). Viktor stated that the aliens gave him telepathic instructions by means of an implant that they had inserted during their initial contact two years before and was led to the hidden entryway to a shaft on the plateau, which was very difficult to locate among the numerous natural Karst craters scattered all over the area. To his amazement, the earth seemed to move aside, revealing an opening into the ground. He entered the underground chamber and led by his alien instructions went into a shaft and then probably by speed elevator that descended to a great depth approximately 1300 meters under the plateau. He then found himself amid a huge underground cave. Then he was told to stop, and then was told that he was standing near the gateway---the tele-portal chamber to the other dimension. Several tall, generally human looking humanoids about 2 meters in height and dressed in silvermetallic tight-fitting clothing stepped from the portal and had a conversation with the witness. They told Viktor that the other dimension was physically the same as the one on Earth. But there was a substantial time gap between the two dimensions; an hour in that dimension is approximately equal to 5 Earth years. So he was told that if he entered the dimension, he would be lost on Earth for a long time. They also informed him that life in their dimension is mostly underground, in huge cavernous cities connected by extensive network of tunnels with other caves at different levels. Speedy supersonic trains travel in some of the tunnels along with other types of vehicles. The whole Ai-Petri plateau in the other dimension is literally honeycombed with caverns, underground cities and tunnels. The total population is about 23 million people living on the Crimean territory in that dimension. The underground cities and tunnels stretch all over their planet (or dimension which is literally a twin-double of Earth), since life on the surface is not desirable due to the heightened radiation, but atmospheric compound and pressure are almost the same as those on Earth. One of their bases in their dimension is a housing hangar for theirs and other alien spacecraft that arrive there from other dimensions for repairs and auxiliary installations with different equipment. The sky in that dimension is violet in color; the Sun is brighter and has a greenish tint. Like Earth they also have a moon there, but its color is greenish. The aliens explained to Viktor that this was an "intermediate" base used to repair their craft from time to time. The gateway under Ai-Petri plateau consists of interdimensional teleporting conduits for both the humanoids and their spacecraft, which use the portals separately. The aliens operations were very secretive and they are able to camouflage their craft from radar facilities installed at Bedene-Kyr Mountain on the same plateau. Viktor visited this underground chamber or gateway to the other dimension regularly, obtaining instructions from his alien "coordinators". Viktor told his story only to a couple of his most trusted friends. His friends described him as a very secretive individual that periodically "appeared and disappeared".
HC addendum Source: Viktor P Sikilinda & Georgiy S Vladimirov and Anton Anfalov, Simferopol Crimea Type: G
And another great, early case
At 5 pm on December 4, 1949, Mário Retier, who lived in the city of Barra Mansa, was returning from his father's farm in Volta Redonda, when he noticed, still close to the site, a discoidal object silently flying over a group of trees, then landing 10 or 15 meters from the road. Surprised, he was even more scared when he heard the voice saying to him: "Don't be afraid... Do you want to know what this is about? We know you believe in us."
As he approached, a hatch opened in the aircraft and two crew members, of about the same height as his, a little over six feet, appeared, and waved to him in a friendly manner, as if inviting him to enter. They wore a kind of Roman kilt and had their heads covered by a bonnet or helmet.
More encouraged, the young man entered the record being led down a corridor to a room with panels full of screens, pictures and buttons. By pressing some of these buttons, the luminous and phosphorescent charts would appear, explaining the ship's locomotion in space. They invited him on a trip. Retier replied that he would accept if they promised to bring him back safe and sound. Thus agreed, they laid him down, dressed as he was, inside a kind of urn or bathtub, filled with a liquid that, as explained to him, served to eliminate the inconveniences of great accelerations and also to feed the body. Only the eyes and nose were out of the liquid.
Hearing the crew say they were taking off, he felt himself falling asleep quickly. When he woke up, they told him they were already arriving. He was taken from the urn and taken to an adjoining compartment, where his soaked clothing and wet body dried immediately, as if by magic. They gave him the same clothes they were wearing, very comfortable, and shoes that were also identical. Looking at him through one of the portholes, he realized that they were arriving at a kind of spaceport, from which ships identical to the one that had brought him came up and descended. When he turned to his fellow travelers, he was startled to see them sitting on a sofa, with their head and trunk tilted forward, without any movement, completely obliterated, as if they were two dolls.
At that moment the door opened and some people, kind and smiling, greeted him, expressing themselves in Portuguese with phrases like this: "- We are happy with your coming... It's the third. .. We are at your disposal! " They were all tall, some reaching 2 meters in height and radiant health, good humor, happiness.
They took him to visit some factories and various establishments. He walked the streets, but during the tour he saw people also walking in the air, at a height of about 10 meters. Vehicles glided on suspended roads.
He entered a building where there was a room reserved for our planet Earth. It was a kind of museum. They pressed a few buttons, projecting on a screen images referring to terrestrials, our nature, our feelings of ambition and violence, our degree of evolution. He was told that, billions of years ago, the Earth's orbit passed close to its planet. With the approach of a huge celestial body, the Earth was removed to another system. They also reported that their world was close to the constellation of Orion (the name we know it by) and that Russian astronomers had already located it.
The whole city was covered by gigantic transparent domes, through which a blue sky could be seen. He didn't see Sun, but there was diffused lighting that looked natural. The food did not leave residues. The average lifespan of people there was 300 terrestrial years.
After a time that seemed to be 6 to 8 hours, he wanted to return to Earth and, as if they guessed his thoughts, his 6 cicerones told him!
"We know you are looking forward to returning to your planet. "
They took him to a ship identical to the one that had transported him, and the process was the same: he plunged into the bathtub, slept, woke up, dried his space suit. Then they dressed him in his primitive attire, landed and dropped him off close to where they had picked him up.
Arriving at his father's farm, the latter reproached him for disappearing for so long without giving news, worrying his family. It was then that Mário Restier realized that it was April 14, 1950. He was away from Earth for 4 months, but, by his calculations, it was three days at most!
And one from Middle Ages
From https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hercolobus/esp_hercolobus_61.htm?fbclid=IwAR0rD6Muz4toiVCCyojWUzfiySJj6EhptWOZ82TWd2oldJrqdrc6m4jU5T0
"Alberto Fenoglio of Turin discovered the following fascinating report during UFO research, and published it in: Clypeus, Anno III, No.3. The report is from Liabeuf, a Police Inspector, who in June 1790 was dispatched from Paris to investigate a mystery close to Alencon:
"At 5 am on June 12, some peasants observed an enormous globe which seemed to be surrounded by flames... its great speed, and a whistling sound coming from it, puzzled them. The globe slowed down, made a rocking motion, and then dashed on to the top of a hill, uprooting the vegetation growing on the slope. The heat which emanated from the object was so great that the grass and shrubs caught alight shortly afterwards."
"The peasants managed to isolate the fire which might have otherwise have spread over the whole area. By evening the globe was still warm, and there occurred an extraordinary – indeed not to say unbelievable – thing."
"The eyewitnesses of this event were two mayors, a physician, and three other local authorities who confirm my report, not to mention the dozens of peasants who were present."
"The sphere which was large enough to have contained a carriage, was intact after all this flying about. It had aroused such curiosity that people came running from all directions to see it. Then suddenly, a sort of door opened, and there came out a PERSON, JUST LIKE US, but dressed in a strange manner, IN CLOTHES ADHERING COMPLETELY TO THE BODY, and, seeing this crowd of people, the person murmured something incomprehensible and ran into the wood."
"The peasants backed away instinctively, in fear, and this saved them for shortly afterwards, the sphere silently exploded, throwing pieces in all directions, which pieces were consumed until reduced to powder. Searches were undertaken to find the MYSTERIOUS MAN, but he seemed to have dissolved in thin air, for up till now not the tiniest trace of him has been discovered... "
"... This report was sent to the Paris Academy of Sciences in June 1790 but was treated with disbelief. Possibly a more serious interest would be accorded this incident if it was to happen in the twentieth century." Pages 223-224." (Attached image not related to the case)
And another great case with time distorsion
http://web.archive.org/web/20190518171529/https://www.historydisclosure.com/brazil-1969-the-abduction-case-of-jose-antonio-da-silva/
https://www.vega-conhecimentos.com/2020/07/o-caso-de-bebedouro-brasil-mg.html
Brazil 1969: The Abduction Case of Jose Antonio Da Silva
On May 3rd 1969 Jose Antonio Da Silva a soldier by profession, set off to go fishing. After taking a bus he reached his destination; a lake in an area known as Bebedouro in the district of Matozinhos. As it was already midnight he set-up his tent, fished for a short while and went to sleep. Next day he woke up early and started fishing.
At about 3pm he notices behind him some movement of figures between the bushes and trees and hears some voices. Then he hears a groan and his legs is struck by some kind of beam originating from someone standing behind some bushes. His legs go numb and his forced to kneel down and drop his fishing rod. Next moment he is grabbed from the armpits by two humanoids wearing some kind of mask/helmet and he is dragged away from the scene. Jose Antonio did not try to resist fearing he would be struck again by the beam of light.
After few meters of being dragged he noticed that they were approaching a similar humanoids. This one did not react as they passed by as if he was monitoring the area. All of them carries some kind of weapon but Jose Antonio believed that this standing humanoid was the one that had fired the beam at him.
The robust humanoids stood at about 1.2 meters, had human proportions, thick legs and wore an overall. The face could not be seen as it was covered by a a dull-grey helmet that included a mask. The helmet was round at the back but flat on the front (mask part) with only a small protrusion in the nose area. Two round holes of approximately 2 centimeters in diameter catered for the eyes. The helmet widened at the lower part but was not connected to the body. From the lower part of the helmet came a plastic looking tube that passed over the chest and under one armpit to end up connected to small container at the back of the humanoid.
After passing the standing humanoid he was taken to their craft. The craft was not disc shaped. It was a grey cylinder with two black "lids" at the top and bottom which were greater in diameter than the cylinder. The object had a height of about two meters. The top lid had a diameter of 3 meters whereas the bottom one was somewhat smaller.
They entered into the object through a door. He found himself in a two by two compartment. The floor was dark grey and although the room appeared well lit the source of light was undetectable. In the center of the room there was a single seat. By the door was a bench on which he and the two humanoids sat. Once sat they placed on his head a helmet similar to the one they were wearing. He remembers that the helmet had a tube but was not able to detect if that was connected to some breathing system. Next they fastened his waist and legs. The two beings fastened themselves getting ready for take-off. At that moment the third humanoid entered, sat on the central seat and fastened himself.
The pilot manipulated a lever on the floor and one on the ceiling to make the object take-off. Jose had the impression that they were travelling vertically. Just after take-off the beings started chatting cheerfully in a language that Jose did not understand a word. The language had a prominent "r" sound at the end of most of the words and sounded aggressive.
The journey seemed interminable and Jose felt tired. Breathing was difficult, seating was hard and the helmet's sharp edges were hurting his shoulders and neck. For a period of time the lights in the room became very bright and he could keep his eyes open. After about an hour the lights diminished and he could open them again.
Next, the object turned to a horizontal position. The seating in the room adjusted itself to the new position. Then after a long time the room turned to its original orientation and seats swung back. Finally, he felt that the journey was over; the object had landed somewhere.
The two beings on his side unfastened him and placed something over the eye openings of the helmet so that he could not see. They picked him from his armpits and dragged him out of the craft. After a while he could hear many voices (all male) speaking the same language as before. They then placed him on a backless seat and removed the cover over his eyes while still keeping the helmet on him. He found himself in a large room (10×15 meters). At a distance of about 5 meters stood slightly taller and stronger being looking at him with satisfaction. This being (presumably the chief) in the room and his captors were not wearing helmets.
All of them looked more or less the same. They had pale white skin; long and wavy red hair that reached their waists and a long beard that reached the stomach. Their eyebrows were thick( about two fingers thick) and run across most of their forehead. They had no eyelashes and their eyes were green and round and slightly larger than those of humans. The sclera (white part of the eye) was darker than their skin. Their noses were pointy and ears bigger, resembled those of humans but were more rounded on the upper part. Their mouths were wide and looked human. However they did not have teeth. Jose described them as mouths of fish.
The chief was talking making various gestures and seemed very happy. Then about 10 to 12 other individuals of similar appearance arrived from the area behind him and gathered around the chief. Jose could not see the ceiling due to his forward inclined positioned but he could see the wall on his left side. On that wall there was a large low shelf of stone on which a number of naked human corpses were lying on their back without helmets and no visible injuries. He momentarily got scared that he would have a similar fate but e felt that the deaths had not been caused by the aliens.
While in the room, Jose was able to capture many interesting details. The room was of grey color, he did not see any windows or doors (there was probably a door behind his back that he could not see). On the wall besides the stone shelf with the corpses, he saw pictures (most probably photos) of many familiar things such as animals (jaguar, monkey, elephant, giraffes), houses, towns, cars, a small two-engine aircraft. On the opposite wall there was nothing.
On his right was what seemed like a racing car. Instead of wheels it had what seemed to have engines. In front of him, at a distance of 5 meters was a cubical seat that the chief would sit on from time to time. Next to the seat and almost at floor level, was a slab with a white surface that was used for drawing sketches as Jose would later find out.
Then he noticed that one of the beings was examining his belongings. It was clear that during his abduction they had taken his cloth bundle with all his belongings. The beings were very excited to examine his belongings. They passed over his belonging so that everyone could have a close look (fishing hooks, knives, matches, banknotes, clothing, tins of sardines and other food). After they had inspected everything, they set aside all those items that were duplicates to keep for themselves. This included a fishing hook and a knife, some clothes a box of matches and bank note of small value. They made an exception with his identity card which they found in his pocket. After passing it round for examination they kept it for themselves.
The chief attempted to communicate with Jose through gestures and sketches on the slab. Jose has not revealed much information about what he understood from this attempts for communication. The humanoids also made an attempt to offer some food. One of them approached him holding a stone cube the size of a cup which contained a dark green liquid in its pyramidal cavity. The chief indicated him to drink the liquid and one of the beings raised Jose´s helmet violently. He initially refused but when he saw one of them drinking it he drank it since he was very weak and hungry. The bitter liquid made him feel better and more alert. He even felt that after drinking this liquid he could communication better with the chief.
Although communication was difficult, Jose was convinced that he was able to perceive that the chief made him a proposal. After the leader dedicating much time in drawing on the slate and gesturing Jose was able to understand that they were proposing for him to spend three years on Earth collecting information for them, then to spend seven years with them studying and finally descending to Earth with them as a guide. Jose reject the proposal and started praying aloud while pointing to the rosary around his waist touching the crucifix that he wore around his neck. The chief got irritated and snatched the cross off his neck. One of the beads rolled on the floor and one of them picked it up for observation along with the crucifix by the group.
Then Jose claims that he saw an apparition of a human standing in front of me that was not perceived by the aliens. This person was dressed like a monk and gave Jose peace and hope. Jose was also given some information by this human that he has not shared with researchers of his case.
Jose realized it was time to leave. The chief left and his captors who had remained at his side all this time covered his eyes in the same way as before. When the blindfold was removed he found himself back inside the craft. After a long journey he felt that the craft had landed. They removed his helmet and while in a semi-unconscious state they dragged him out in the darkness and left him. Some time later he was woken up by the first light of dawn and the sound of running water. He approached the stream and drank water using his water bottle that was still in the bundle the aliens had left beside him. Jose realised that the surroundings were unfamiliar and noticed that he had grown a beard of a few day.
Eventually reached a paved road. On the road he met a man and asked him of where he was and what day it was. Jose was approximately 30 km away from his original location and the day was May 9th, 4 and a half days after he was abducted. He decided to walk back despite being exhausted having a hurt knee and several wound on his shoulders and nape caused by the helmet. After getting a ride and taking a train he was back at his home town.
At the train station he was approached by the security guard. The guard saw his poor state and the bundle and suspected that he was a copper thief (something common at that time; copper wire was often stolen from the railways). As he had no ID with him the security guard took him to his office for inspection. Jose could not lie and shared his story with the guard. The guard was convinced and called a local journalist from the local radio station to interview him.
Case of Cynthia Appleton who was visited by people from Venus at her home. Few keypoints from the case, they told her the "bearers of the Hammer and Sickle" (obviously the Russians) were on the point of perfecting a ray gun, they said they were mining our sea for something that sounded like "Titium", probably Titanium. They said they come from Ghanus Valn, country on Venus - which they call Gharnasvarn.
Here is the full case.
https://www.auforn.com/Bill_Chalker_34.htm
And a summary by Albert Rosales
Location. Aston, Birmingham, England
Date: November 18 1957 Time: 1500
Prior to the above date on the afternoon of November 16, Cynthia Appleton blacked out for no obvious reason. Rationalizing it at first to motherhood stress and exhaustion she disregarded it. Later she was told it had been a "failed attempt at contact". On the above date after lunch she had put her daughter Susan to bed upstairs. Baby Janet was in the prawn in the front room downstairs. Thinking she heard a cry she went into this room to see that all was well with Janet. It was, but she was suddenly conscious of a very real feeling of oppressiveness in the air. She described it to being similar to that experienced before thunder. She looked out the window to see what was the matter. She was standing near the door and facing the window within touching distance of the prawn. Outside a "rosy-colored darkness" manifested, but this did not seem to penetrate into the room where Mrs. Appleton was. Suddenly there appeared the figure of a man standing on her left by the fireplace. She said he appeared 'just like a TV picture on the screen, a blurred image and then suddenly everything is clear". She was of course very frightened. At the same time she was conscious that he was calming her by some influence, which he exerted upon her mind. She then felt quite calm and collected. Mrs. Appleton noticed too, at the moment of his appearance, a 'whistle' exactly like the old wireless sets used to make when tuning in to a station. The man was tall and fair. He was wearing a tight fitting garment in color like a silvery plastic mackintosh. The sleeves reached to his wrist. The collar part of his garment rose up behind his head like an Elizabethan collar. As the man appeared the outside light conditions returned to normal. Further description of the entity indicates that he had "elongated and angular features" a fair complexion and extremely blond hair, and wearing a metallic gray one piece suit with a "bowl" over the head, which was not present on subsequent visits. The man's lips were moving as if in speech but she heard no audible words. He seemed to be able to read her mind and although she used no speech her questions were read and answered mentally. The man's first words delivered in a flat monotone were, "Do not be afraid." Mrs. Appleton seemed to think the stranger had somehow assumed control of her like under a form of hypnosis. On the floor there was some newspaper and the man was standing on this. After he left she noticed that it appeared to be scorched. (Subsequently this newspaper was removed by a reporter from the Birmingham Evening Gazette). In reply to her unspoken query, "Where do you come from?" he answered, "From another world". He did not state which one. "Like yours," he continued, "it is governed by the sun. We have to visit your world to obtain something of which we are running short. It is at the bottom of the sea." Mrs. Appleton said later that she was conscious of a word at the back of her mind, something like "titium". When her husband returned that night she asked him what "titium" was. He knew at once what she meant and said, "You mean titanium". He, being a metal worker, was familiar with the word. The space visitor had gone on to say, "you are stripping bark from the wrong tree to line the wrong boat". She remembered the exact words. "You are concentrating on the wrong power. You are trying to go up (i.e. against the force of gravity). We go like this", and he made a sweeping lateral movement with both his hands and there appeared between his outstretched fingers what she could only describe as a television screen. On the screens he could clearly see a spaceship. It was circular with the top half like a transparent dome. Within this ship she could see several figures looking at her. Her visitor told her that we on Earth called this large ship the Mother Ship, whereas they called it the "Master Craft". There were two of the ships on the screen and several smaller craft were attached to the underside of the Master Craft. Her sketch depicted a dome on top of a rotating ring or rim and three hemispherical bumps on the underside. He said they never fought but lived in peace and harmony. He also told her they would return again in January, but he gave neither the place nor the exact date of his return. When asked in what manner the visitor left, she could only say "that suddenly he wasn't there any more". She was frightened and returning to the back sitting room wept for half an hour. After this contact she had a remarkably increased sense of awareness of other people never before experienced. Baby Janet, whose birthday was on the day before, had then one tooth. By the end of the week she had six.
Humcat 1957-30 Source: FSR Vol. 4 # 2 also Jenny Randles and Bill Chalker Type: E
Location. Aston, Birmingham, England
Date: August 18 1958 Time: unknown
Apparently the last visit received by Cynthia Appleton. On this occasion she touched the man's silver suit and found it horribly slimy. Her daughter saw the man also. The other visitor wore a black suit and an old fashioned hat. He left in a big black car. Also on that occasion the alien had burned his finger and Cynthia was asked to bathe it in hot water. He then injected himself from a tube and then put a spray of jelly on the wound and it healed miraculously.
HC addendum
Source: Jenny Randles, Abduction
As for Russian death ray they told her about, it was very possibly Nazi tech, for Russians just like Americans captured many many Nazi scientists and engineers, possibly as many as 200,000. The book UFOs Nazi Secret Weapon (https://www.pdfdrive.com/ufos-nazi-secret-weapon-d188574975.html) goes in depth about this and many other very interesting secret Nazi technologies.
Manfred von Ardenne helped the Russians make the atomic bomb - was awarded a Stalin Prize for that. Ardenne infrared fuses were installed on the American bomb by the Dr. Heinz Schlicke. Both American and Russian atomic bombs were really Nazi bombs. (https://vril12.wordpress.com/nazi-a-bomb/)
It is very possible that Russian death ray was a copy of ATOMZERTRUEMMERUNG – NAZI DEATH RAY (https://vril12.wordpress.com/nazi-death-rays/) - clearly described in OSS Report No. FF-83. 21 October 1944. Atom Smashing Secret Weapon. [NARA RG 77, Entry UD-22A, Box 171, Folder 32.7003-2 GERMANY: US Wartime Positive Int. (July–Oct. 44)], OSS meaning Office of Strategic Services, which was a former US intelligence agency.
And Jessie Roestenberg UFO sighting 1954. in Staffordshire, north England, just 45 kilometers from Aston, Birmingham from previous case. This woman is also obviously 100% sincere, may those with eyes to see see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3JlKlLVLEc
And her comment that it could not have been a secret weapon from Russia is wrong, it clearly was not from Russia, but theoretically it could've been for in 1954. Russians have already perfected the field propulsion, almost certainly copied that too from Nazis. And this case shows it.
https://ufologie.patrickgross.org/1954/21oct1954saintremy.htm
October 21, 1954, France.
A worker from Saint-Rémy (Vosges), Mr. Ujvari, 40 years old, has just told the gendarmes of Raon-l'Etape that, last Wednesday, around 3 am, he was stopped on the road by a stranger of large build and average height, wearing a gray jacket, decorated on the shoulders with shiny badges .
The man spoke an unknown language. Mr. Ujvari, of Czech nationality, tried to speak Russian. His interlocutor understood it perfectly. "Where am I, he asked, in Italy, in Spain?" He then inquired about the distance separating him from the German border, and the time. The worker having told him that it was around 3:30 am, the man took out of his jacket a watch that marked 4 am
Then the stranger gave the worker the order to move forward. Soon Ujvari saw in the middle of the road a craft in the shape of two plates reversed one against the other, from which emerged a kind of periscope.
Arrived at about thirty meters from the apparatus, which was about 1.50 high and 2.50 m wide, the stranger tells him to move away. But, looking back from time to time, Mr. Ujvari varies could see the machine rise slowly vertically with a noise of sewing machines. Arrived at an altitude of 500 meters, it took the horizontal and disappeared in the direction of the south.
Mr. Ujvari said the unknown was wearing a helmet similar to that of a motorcyclist. He had a gun in his hand.
His last word to Mr. Ujvari was "farewell" in Russian.
an interesting video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dACv9skQNUA) from 2011, many believe it is computer animation, but at the same time for other similar mysterious videos with spirals, the same ones believe to be traces of Elon Musk's Space X rocket
another record (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KihpSkLMHr4) of the same phenomenon from a airplane and from a different angle
although many believe it is a fake, there is sound in the video that seems to be "synchronized" with the light phenomena, why don't those who think it is CGI explain this?
UFO spiral near western Canada [2011] (https://imgur.com/gallery/dGzEwpa)
Hysterical evidence!
D2
ATOMZERTRUEMMERUNG – NAZI DEATH RAY
Miguel Serrano (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Serrano), let's call him a priest of esoteric Hitlerism who was Chilean ambassador for Yugoslavia for number of years and on his travels in Europe met high-ranking ex SS members, writes in his book Adolf Hitler, el Ultimo Avatara
"I have spoken with some ex-combatants of the SS who were on the Russian front and through the final offensive in the Ardennes who saw mysterious weapons in action that disintegrated enemy airplanes in full flight, lightning that left only a space where a tank had been before, or that paralysed the enemy without killing. They were used only once and then disappeared."
The Battle of the Ardennes takes place in December 1944. and it matches perfectly with the OSS report reproduced below, page 3735 in Dr. Todd Rider's book (https://riderinstitute.org/forgotten-creators/ForgottenCreators2022-12-31.pdf)
OSS Report No. FF-83. 21 October 1944. Atom Smashing Secret Weapon. [NARA RG 77, Entry UD-22A, Box 171, Folder 32.7003-2 GERMANY: US Wartime Positive Int. (July–Oct. 44)]
The Germans have completed a weapon which is founded on the principle of the disintegration of matter (Atomzertruemmerung). Experiments have been performed which have proved conclusive. The effect of this weapon is like that of a thunderbolt, naturally much magnified.
It would be possible to direct the effect of this weapon in any given direction. Possibly it is a question of a sort of projectile rather than of a weapon properly so-called. The radius of action is supposed to be about three kilometers. The devastation produced by this weapon is said to be such that Hitler plans to use it only in the air, against planes, for example. Nevertheless, the Germans say that in case of necessity they will not hesitate to use it on the ground as well. This weapon seems to be ready, in fact, for use upon the battlefield, but it still exists only in the form of a model. Germany needs—and this appears to be absolutely certain—a delay of at least three months. Practically speaking, it seems that only within five months could the weapon be ready for use.
Different conversations which have taken place with industrial leaders in charge of concentration of production of German war material give the impression that Germany has unlimited confidence in the use of this weapon, which is to bring them certain victory.
Herr Schneider, one of the directors of the German factories called Deutsche Waffen u. Munitionsfabrik (a combine representing some fifteen factories and 250,000 workers) declared with a smile: "We shall gain the victory by new weapons, we are absolutely sure of that. Just now it is simply a case of gaining time, because the new arms will not be ready before three or four months. Bombing cannot keep us from building them. Our important factories where the assembly is carried out are all subterranean. An immense quantity of accessories is made in small lots everywhere throughout the country, so that bombing cannot interrupt the production. Our troops may retire within our frontiers. That does not matter, for nothing will be able to stand up for any length of time against these new weapons and we shall resume our overwhelming advance."
Directors of certain other factories have shown the same inveterate optimism, aroused by the confidence which they have in the effects of these new weapons.
Names of certain industrialists with whom the interviews took place:
Herr Schneider—Director of the Deutsche Waffen und Munitions-Fabrik. His German title is Wehrwirtschaftsbeauftragter (Superintendent of Armament Production) in the region of the Duchy of Baden and Wurtemberg. He has charge of the plants of the Karlsruhe region.
Director Dr. Buesse, who directs the DWM factories at Karlsruhe.
Dr. Quant, Administrator of a part of the DWM combine of factories.
ATOMZERTRUEMMERUNG might have looked and operated something like this
https://youtu.be/-KsDT0W6T2o?t=1674
More on Nazi deathrays
https://vril12.wordpress.com/nazi-death-rays/
NAZI A-BOMB
There is more than enough evidence Nazis tested atomic bombs in late 1944. and early 1945. on Rugen island, in Thuringia and Poland, and that American and Russian A-bombs were really Nazi A-bombs.
Americans had 150,000 people working on the A-bomb and billions of dollars poured into it and still failed until they got Nazi components and uranium, while Nazis had few hundred scientists working on it and surely incomparably smaller funds and they have succeeded and already performed number of nuclear detonations, the biggest one apparently being the one on Rugen island. Talking about the reason for American shame and why the whole thing was shushed up and still is almost 100 years later.
"Dornberger commented to that effect that Hitler intended to use nuclear tipped V-2s in conversations secretly recorded at his internment camp CSDIC Camp 11, which was entered in evidence at Nuremberg trials."
History Channel's documentary in italian In Viaggio con Mussolini (Hitler's A Bomb). Turn on the auto-translate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8NoZK0i-dk
Rudolf Zinsser for US Ninth Army Air Force intelligence report interrogated by Captain Helenes T. Freiberger
"In the beginning of Oct. 1944 I flew from Ludwigslust (south of Lubeck), about 12 to 15 km from an atomic bomb test station, when I noticed a strong, bright illumination of the whole atmosphere, lasting about 2 seconds. The clearly visible pressure wave escaped the approaching and following cloud formed by the explosion. This wave had a diameter of about 1 km when it became visible and the color of the cloud changed frequently. It became dotted after a short period of darkness with all sorts of light spots, which were, in contrast to normal explosions, of a pale blue color. [...] A cloud shaped like a mushroom with turbulent, billowing sections (at about 7000 meter altitude) stood, without any seeming connections, over the spot where the explosion took place. Strong electrical disturbances and the impossibility to continue radio communication as by lightning, turned up."
Testimony of Luigi Romersa, Mussolini's journalist and messenger, about Rügen Island atomic test
"Mussolini provided him with letters of introduction to both Josef Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda chief, and Hitler himself. After meeting both men in Germany, he was shown around the Nazis' top-secret weapons plant at Peenemünde and then, on the morning of October 12 1944, taken to what is now the holiday island of Rügen, just off the German coast, where he watched the detonation of what his hosts called a "disintegration bomb". "They took me to a concrete bunker with an aperture of exceptionally thick glass. At a certain moment, the news came through that detonation was imminent," he said. "There was a slight tremor in the bunker; a sudden, blinding flash, and then a thick cloud of smoke. It took the shape of a column and then that of a big flower. The officials there told me we had to remain in the bunker for several hours because of the effects of the bomb. When we eventually left, they made us put on a sort of coat and trousers which seemed to me to be made of asbestos and we went to the scene of the explosion, which was about one and a half kilometres away. The effects were tragic. The trees around had been turned to carbon. No leaves. Nothing alive. There were some animals – sheep – in the area and they too had been burnt to cinders."
Rugen Atomic test was also confirmed on 13 March 2005 television interview, Elisabeth Mestlin stated that she observed a massive explosion on Rugen from a neighboring island on 12 October 1944 (p. 3760 of Dr. Rider's book below).
These are quotes of highly credible reports backed up by scanned documents and additional info reproduced in the 5000+ page book by Dr. Todd Rider, scientist from MIT.
Forgotten Creators – How German-Speaking Scientists and Engineers Invented the Modern World, And What We Can Learn from Them (https://riderinstitute.org/forgotten-creators/ForgottenCreators2022-12-31.pdf)
D.10 Possible October 1944 Test Explosion on the Baltic Coast
• In August 1944, a German prisoner of war reported that "experiments are conducted on an estate in Pomerania [on the Baltic coast] and it is alleged that this explosive is capable of destroying everything in a radius of several kilometers." (p. 3733).
• On 20 October 1944, the U.S. physicist and intelligence analyst Philip Morrison mentioned "recent reports of Baltic explosions" that were being investigated by the Manhattan Project as possible tests of a German atomic bomb (p. 3734).
• A 21 October 1944 OSS intelligence report described the October test: "The Germans have completed a weapon which is founded on the principle of the disintegration of matter (Atomzertruemmerung).
Experiments have been performed which have proved conclusive[...] The radius of action is supposed to be about three kilometers" (p. 3735).
• A 19 January 1945 U.S. military intelligence summary covering many areas of advanced German research included a subject heading for "ATOMIC BOMB," under which it mentioned "close surveillance of the area in which tests are alleged to have taken place" (p. 3736). While the report did not state a specific time or location for those alleged tests, it focused largely on the most recent work being conducted on the Baltic coast, suggesting that the tests occurred in late 1944 on the Baltic coast.
• In May 1945, German prisoner of war Friedrich Olmes said that there had been "experiments with the atom-splitting bomb" and that "practical experiments were conducted on the Baltic coast" (p. 3737).
• A 19 August 1945 U.S. Army Air Forces intelligence report entitled "Investigations, Research, Developments, and Practical Use of the German Atomic Bomb" presented testimony by Rudolph Zinsser, a German pilot captured by U.S. forces, that in October 1944 he flew near the massive explosion of a new German bomb on or near the Baltic coast, describing in detail a very large mushroom cloud and severe electrical disturbances (p. 3738). After further investigation, rather than dismissing Zinsser's report, the United States decided to upgrade it from Secret to Top Secret in October 1945 (p. 3748).
• In testimony in 1955, 1984, and 2005, Italian military correspondent Luigi Romersa stated that by a special arrangement between Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, on 12 October 1944 he witnessed the massive explosion of a new German bomb on the Baltic coast (apparently Rugen island), had to wait in a bunker for many hours afterward for the site to become less dangerous (short radioactive half-lives?), and then had to wear a special protective suit when inspecting the leveled test site afterward (pp. 3750–3756).
• Werner Grothmann stated in 2000–2002 interviews that there was a successful atomic bomb test in October 1944 (p. 3757).
D.11 Possible November 1944 Test Explosion in Poland
• As already mentioned, a Top Secret U.S. cable from March 1946 stated that a "capable young engineer" in Poland knew that atomic bomb casings included a layer of cadmium, which was true for the implosion bomb designs described by both Ilyichev and Schumann (p. 3768). The Polish engineer's knowledge suggests that German-run industry in wartime Poland was involved in developing and/or testing an atomic bomb.
• Robert Jackson, chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials, stated on 21 June 1946 that he had received evidence that a new bomb design producing very intense heat had killed 20,000 Jewish prisoners in a specially constructed test village near Auschwitz (p. 3769).
• In August 1946, a FIAT intelligence document mentioned that there had been a number of unconfirmed reports that "about Christmas 1944, successful experiments were conducted in Pomerania with V-1 and atomic warheads, radio directed. The ensuing crater was 2 km in diameter" (p. 3771). There was also an August 1944 report of nuclear weapons development work in Pomerania (p. 3733).
• In December 1946, Otto Hahn said that there had been rumors that "atom bomb tests had been carried out in Poland during the last year of the war which were supposed to have had an effect similar to the first atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima though on a considerably smaller scale" (p. 3771).
• Gezo Mansfeldt, a survivor of Auschwitz, reported in December 1946 that he was frequently interrogated by Soviet officials about high-security wartime production work at Auschwitz and that he "learned of the atomic bomb tests" (p. 3773).
• A 1947 U.S. intelligence report stated that the Germans built a heavy water production plant near Auschwitz and that it was removed by the Soviets (p. 3773). Heavy water would only be useful for nuclear work, and the production of heavy water near Auschwitz suggests the presence of other nuclear work in Poland.
• Another 1947 intelligence report discussed wartime nuclear weapons work at Tucheler Heide in Poland, including the production of 235U and 239Pu and apparently even 1–5 kg fission pits for atomic bombs (p. 3989).
• In 1947, Heinrich Himmler's physical therapist, Felix Kersten, stated that Franz Goring, a senior SS security official, had told him that a new bomb design producing several thousand degrees of heat had killed 20,000 Jewish prisoners in a specially constructed test village near Auschwitz (p. 3774).
• Heinrich Himmler's personal astrologer, Wilhelm Wulff, confirmed that Franz Goring had stated that a new bomb design producing several thousand degrees of heat had killed 20,000 Jewish prisoners in a specially constructed test village near Auschwitz (p. 3775).
• Werner Grothmann stated that there was a successful atomic bomb test in or around November 1944 (p. 3757).
D.12 Possible March 1945 Test Explosion in Thuringia
• A 15 November 1944 letter from General Ivan Ilyichev, chief of intelligence for the Soviet army, to Joseph Stalin reported that the Germans in Thuringia were preparing under hurried but very high security conditions to test a new "bomb of unusual construction" with a "large destructive power" that might be an atomic bomb (p. 3785).
• A 23 March 1945 letter from General Ilyichev to Joseph Stalin reported that the Germans in Thuringia had recently conducted two very high-security test explosions of a new bomb design, described in considerable detail as a 2-ton, 1.3-meter-diameter spherical implosion device with multiple concentric layers and a uranium-235 core that created a "massive radioactive effect," incinerated or burned nearby prisoners of war (POWs), and destroyed buildings and trees within a radius of 500–600 meters (p. 3789).
• In a 30 March 1945 letter from Igor Kurchatov to General Ilyichev, Kurchatov analyzed the details reported in the 23 March 1945 letter, said it gave a "very believable description of the construction of the bomb," and requested further information (p. 3801).
• 21 and 29 May 1945 letters from Georgy Flerov to Igor Kurchatov reported that Flerov was currently in Dresden and en route to study the alleged German atomic test site using Geiger counters, and requested that former POWs returning from Germany to the Soviet Union should be interviewed to learn if any of them knew anything about the test (p. 3807).
• An October 1945 report from Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov to Stalin stated: "Based on the collected materials, it can be concluded that the German scientists in the field of theoretical and practical research and application of atomic energy have achieved good results up to the creation of the atomic bomb" (p. 3827).
• A 1946 Russian interrogation summary reported that Robert D¨opel stated that there was an atomic bomb test on a German military base before the end of the war (p. 3834).
• It seems there is or at least was considerably more information about the apparent German nuclear tests in Russian government archives, including even a captured German film entitled "Film of the Launch of a V-2 and the Explosion of an Atomic Bomb" (p. 3837). At a bare minimum, there are presumably documents identifying the Soviet spy who provided the information given in Ilyichev's two reports, documents reporting the suspected test site location to Flerov (which he seemed to know, but which was not in Ilyichev's two reports), documents reporting what (if anything) Flerov ultimately found, and documents describing the "collected materials" to which Zhukov referred.
• 21 March 1945 and 9 June 1945 U.S. aerial reconnaissance photos of the Ohrdruf military base appeared to show a large circular area of possible blast damage, as well as surrounding buildings that may have been affected by blast and/or radioactive fallout, whereas a 12 August 1944 aerial reconnaissance photo did not show those features (pp. 3840–3844).
• In what appears to be a transcript of her testimony before an East German government inquiry on 16 May 1962, Clare Werner, a wartime lookout at the Veste Wachsenburg castle near the Ohrdruf Truppen¨ubungsplatz military base, reported watching a large nearby test explosion on 4 March and another one on 12 March 1945, as well as being informed of the historic nature of the explosions by visiting military and SS officials. She reported that she and other local residents suffered from symptoms that sound like radiation sickness. Although there are unresolved questions about the nature and the chain of custody of the 1962 transcript, Clare Werner confirmed the key points of her testimony in several interviews conducted between 1998 and 2003 (p. 3848).
• In a transcript of his apparent testimony before the same East German government inquiry on 16 May 1962, Heinz Wachsmut reported being conscripted into a unique work assignment for the afternoon and evening of 5 March 1945 in Thuringia. He reported encountering large numbers of living, dying, and dead people suffering from what sounds like radiation sickness and burns in the aftermath of what the SS told him was a history-making test explosion. Under the close supervision of the SS, he was instructed to wear protective gear, and he burned approximately 450 bodies on woodpiles and saw a total of approximately 700 bodies being burned. (It is not clear if all of those were victims of the test explosion, or if some were victims of the daily harsh treatment of POWs.) Afterward his protective gear and clothing were burned, he was instructed to wash himself thoroughly, and he was unable to eat for days afterward possibly due to radiation sickness. While there are again unresolved questions about the 1962 transcript, the family of Heinz Wachsmut confirmed that he had described the same events and details to them (p. 3854).
• In transcripts of his testimony before East German government inquiries in 1966, Erich Rundnagel, a plumber who had worked for Kurt Diebner's nuclear research group in Thuringia during the war, reported that the scientists had told him they had two eight-kilogram atomic bombs (most likely fission pits for atomic bombs) in their safe (p. 3861).
• Colonel Oscar Koch, who was a high-ranking intelligence officer working with General George Patton, stated that a German prisoner of war described the massive explosion of a new bomb type in Thuringia in March 1945 (p. 3863).
• Werner Grothmann stated in 2000–2002 interviews that there was an atomic bomb test in Thuringia on 4 March 1945 (p. 3757).
And from Thiaoouba Prophecy
"For example, our intervention prevented Germany from being the first nation to have the use of the atomic bomb, for it would have been disastrous for the rest of the people on Earth if Nazism had triumphed at the end of the Second World War. As you will appreciate, any totalitarian regime signifies a great backward step for civilization."
So it is possible Nazis were prevented to use their nuclear weapons by offworld forces.
And in addition to all this, we have incredible book Critical Mass by Carter Plymton Hydrick, here is a summary
"On May 19, 1945, eleven days after the surrender of Nazi Germany in Europe, a U-boat was escorted into Portsmouth Naval Yard, New Hampshire. News reporters covering the surrender of U-234 were ordered, contrary to all previous and later U-boat surrender procedures, to keep their distance from crew members and passengers of U-234, on threat of being shot by the attending Marine guards. Why the tight security? Buried in the nose of the specially-built mammoth boat, sealed in cylinders "lined with gold," was 1,120 pounds (560kg) of enriched uranium labeled "U235" the fissile material from which atom bombs are made. Critical Mass documents how these Nazi bomb components were then used by the Manhattan Project to complete both the uranium bomb dropped on Hiroshima and the plutonium bomb dropped on Nagasaki, to defeat the Japanese and win World War Two and global domination in the modern age."
Carter's research was confirmed in 2011, 15 years after the book was published, when 126,000 barrels of radioactive uranium residue were found 700 meters below a salt mine near Hamburg, Germany.
Furthermore, Manfred von Ardenne who later helped the Russians make the atomic bomb. Ardenne infrared fuses were installed on the American bomb by the Dr. Heinz Schlicke, everything is described and documented in detail in the book.
https://marcosaba.tripod.com/u234/criticalmassch.html
German "atom-splitting bomb" referred to in WW2 Japanese Diplomatic signal from Stockholm Embassy to Tokyo NARA archives RG457
https://historum.com/t/german-atom-splitting-bomb-referred-to-in-ww2-japanese-diplomatic-signal-from-stockholm-embassy-to-tokyo-nara-archives-rg457.183962/page-26
Nazis also had a plane ready to carry the bomb...
76 Zentner
Former He177 pilot Peter Brill who passed away Feb 2013 revealed in April 2005 from Sabadel in Spain that nine He177 were modified with enormous bomb bays for a mission to bomb New York, Four of these modified He177 which he called AK177 were stored ready for the mission at Sprottau under camouflage netting. Peter was one of six pilots trained to fly a one way bombing mission to attack New York.
The standard He177 has three bomb bays with interior dimensions of 1.5m W x 7.5m L x 0.9m H.
(In the He277 the bomb bay is widened to 1,9m W.)
source: William Green, Bombers and Reconnaissance Aircraft Volume Nine of 1967 — repeated in Kay & Smith's 2002 German Aircraft of the Second World War.
IN the "enlarged" bomb bay of the V38, the width & height are unbroken for a length of 4.6m. bomb bay doors form two panels either side of which, one folds inwards and the other outwards. with the forward bomb bay devoted to a single large bomb called 76 Zentner, the 2.9m L rear bomb bay is available for fuel storage.
Meanwhile aircraft W.Nr. 550002 KM+TB He 177 V38: First flew on 15 December at Brandenburg piloted by Peter, transfered to E-Stelle Tarnewitz on 27 April 1944, flown there as a standard A-5.
W.Nr. 550001 to 550006 were built at Heinkel (HWO) Oranienburg.
when captured, German prisoners falsely advised V38 was one of three He177 A-7 aircraft for export to Japan.
AK177 or Ju177 hybrid?
However in a conference convened by RLM, between Heinkel, Messerschmitt & Junkers January 1944, it was agreed to develop a hybrid He-177 with wings from the Me264, using paired DB603 engines clutched to a single shaft as the DB 613 producing 3800hp.(Brill claimed engines could be clutched and shut fown in flight)
This hybrid was dubbed the "Ju177 with wings attached from the Me264. it was projected to have the following specifications:
He 177 /"Ju"-177
Crew: 5
Powerplant: 2*DB 613
Output(each): 3,800hp
Wing Span: 31.50m (103 ft 8in)
Weight (loaded): 34.700 kg (76.500 lb) / Standard He177: circa 27,000 kg (59,500 lb)
Max Speed*: 425 km/h (264 mph)
Ceiling: 8.000m (26,247 ft)
Range: 4.600 km (2.858 miles)
Armament
Nose (lower): 1*FDL 131Z
Dorsal(fwd): 1* FDL 151Z
Dorsal(aft): –
Ventral: 1* WL 131Z
Tail: 1*HL 131V
source: Heinkel He.177, 277, 274″ by Manfred Griehl and Joachim Dressel
Source: Page 96-98 from "Heinkel He.177, 277, 274" by Manfred Griehl and Joachim Dressel (Airlife Publishing Ltd.) In "Heinkel 177-277-274" by Manfred Griehl and Joachim Dressel, the highest
bombload for the He 277 was given as 5,600 kg (in the version with a fuselage width
of 1,750 mm), resulting in a range of 8,600 km. For the maximum range of 11,100 km,
bombload reduced to 3,000 kg.
Adding wings from the Me264 reduced speed by 5% and provided nine extra fuel tanks per wing with 9740kg of fuel previously unavailable to a standard He177 A-5. Normally , the He177 had capacity for 10,400 Litres, discounting auxiliary fuel tanks. ie 7,665kg fuel was standard, so attaching wings from the Me264 more than doubled fuel tankage to 17,405kg (23,615 Litres).
The enlarged bomb bay was intended for a bomb called the 76 Zentner. A 1943 CSDIC prisoner of War report SRA 4394 links the 76 Zentner with a He177 that had an enlarged bomb bay. SRA 4394 also notes the aircraft was waiting for the engine. CSDIC reports come from internment camps with hidden microphones.
W56 Amicizia
Few quotes from a great contacte case i shared before, case that spanned hundreds of people and multiple continents, and is one of most credible and info-rich contactee cases.
The documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sDoG97qZHk)
Documentary is full of photos of their craft, one video and one audio recording of one of them speaking.
Summary of the documentary
W56 ET Friendship Case: 50 minutes- is a fascinating documentary about a group of benevolent extraterrestrials who made contact with a number of people predominantly in Italy, and also other parts of the world in the 1950s to 70s. They were soon to be known as the W56. One of the men involved, Bruno Sammaciccia had asked for it to be kept secret until after his death. This story was brought to the surface after a Stefano Breccia wrote a book called 'Mass Contacts (https://www.mediafire.com/file/4n18tv5r1tp1lat/Mass+Contacts.pdf/file).'
These friendly ETs said that they were known as the Akrij, and which can be found in our ancient records spoke of the coming evolution of mankind. W56 was not a single Race but a group of different Beings from other parts of the Universe. Teleportation, Strong sense of Love, Mankind's Dilemma, W56's Italian Base, How they built their Bases, Sightings by Appointment, Photos, an Actual Audio Recording of a W56 ET heard for the First Time in Public, the Dematerialisation/Materialisation of Objects, Radio/TV Communications, their Technology is based on No Harm Defensive Purposes, Helping Us with Our Evolutionary Process, Their World is Full of Love.
Here is one great review from Amazon of Mass Contacts
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Dominique Voigt
5.0 out of 5 stars Believe it or not ### Glaubt es oder glaubt es nicht
Reviewed in Germany 🇩🇪 on December 30, 2014
Verified Purchase
Aliens and Religions
The W56 are a race of aliens that has good intentions for our planet Earth as the author of the book "Mass Contacts", Stefano Breccia described it. Stefano Breccia has claimed to have contacts with these very humanlike extraterrestrials since 1956 for 50 years in Italy. He was engineer, expert in Computer Graphics, Artificial Intelligence, and Computer sciences and has given courses on these topics in Italian and foreign universities. He has also worked as a consultant of the European Community.
There are also other races of aliens like the CTRs (humanlike but with very bad intentions for humankind, often wear sunglasses in order to hide their very round eyes that are not as almond-shaped as ours), the small and the tall Greys, the Reptilians and those who are like tall insects. However, the book only mentions the W56 and the CTRs. Breccia wrote on page 240 that the phenomenon of abducting people cannot be charged on the CTRs who have, after all, psychic abilities and can influence our minds. Only a strong will can escape from this individual psychic influence. The CTRs don't believe in God because they can't feel him as we or the W56 can. According to another book of Stefano Breccia called "50 years of Amicizia (Friendship)" they have once been artificially created so that they can't understand the concept of the universal creator named God. This is what the W56 say.
However, the humanlike aliens with good intentions called W56 very strongly believe in God. According to page 237 of "Mass Contacts" to them, religion is the base of everything. "They see God even in smallest insect, and pretend that the whole universe has been created, and that God is everywhere inside the Cosmos. Their religion is not as full of rituality as our cults are, to them it is just a deep feeling, that doesn't need any appearances. Typically they perform their rites thrice during their year, and, as an exception, in the occurrences when they need a stronger support. In such instances, they gather into a circle, and they sing something very similar to Buddhist chants; in the center of the circle there is a crystal column, and inside it a metal plaque, it is not gold nor silver, but something in between. This plaque rises as the rite goes on. When it gets to a certain height, they start asking God for what they desire; if they are to be fulfilled, the plaque gives a flash, then falls down, elsewhere it falls down without any other effect. Once I have been shown such a rite, and it looked very simple, even childish, but it was not, because of their strong religious feeling that was making appearances useless" (page 237 to 238). My comment on this would be to warn you of doing the same with well-known "magical" plaques where you put your hands together and ask questions to the "spirits". According to the Christian teaching, these spirits can be of demonical origin and are even able to put an evil curse on you. You better don't do this. Referring to Breccia's comment, I would say that W56 obviously do their rites more often than thrice a year, because they are in a strong need to know what God wants here on Earth.
I quote page 239 of "Mass Contacts": "Their mission over our Earth was to look after this planet, and above all after our safety, without interfering. And they told me that, since 1956, in at least two occasions they have had to prevent an atomic war, and they did so by transmuting the fissionable metals inside war-heads into lighter substances, so that no nuclear reaction could take place." After all I learned about UFOs in the last years, some aliens are also able to activate or deactivate nuclear missiles and power plants. There is even a roomer that the Northeast blackout of 2003 in the USA was caused by UFOs flying over nuclear power plants just before the catastrophe. Stefano Breccia goes on by writing that they know everything about us (page 239). The W56 also tell us on page 245 that we could solve many of our environmental problems, but the great economic powers prevent such solutions from being adopted. From page 246 to 247 you can find the following statement: "They were stating that our civilization is ruining towards madness, we are destroying our environments, we are destroying our green, our animals; that little that our science is able to pick up may be of some use in treating some of our problems, but often it's the cause of new problems, of new illnesses. What we are doing in the fields of medicine, of genetics, of physics is but the topmost madness, and in the next tens of years we are going to pay the consequences of our insane attitudes, and our friends were quite aware of that, and where very sad for that." At page 246 you can also find: "One could wonder why they do not act in some way to relieve us from our miseries, both physical and moral; actually that is a task impossible even to them: our civilization is too much different from theirs, and in order to change our way of thinking into theirs, they ought to ravish our identity, so that it should get destroyed. That can't be done on al large scale, because we would get annihilated... . " There are obviously different races with different agendas visiting our planet Earth. There are some who say that the SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative) has the aim to protect us against extraterrestrial threats from space. There is obviously no need to protect us against the W56 who themselves want to protect us. The question is whether the SDI is made for aggression against other nations or as a useless protection system. How can we Earthlings protect us against the highly-advanced technology of the aliens?
I refer to page 242: "They (the W56) call our Earth "The Universal Center for Redemption" because they pretend that the souls who get incarnated over this planet are the ones who have yet to fulfill their evolution." I cite page 243: "It's a bit as if the Universal Center, the Supreme Entity, has paid Himself a peculiar attention to your planet (Earth), by the way, you know only a part of your own history, and you have only vague feelings about what is missing; I may tell you that also in the antiquity your are totally unaware of, God has done so much good to your Earth. But you have never been able to profit of His help. For instance, thinking about Buddhism, you have not yet understood that it is a mean to open one's mind to higher levels, because once you've got the Nirvana, your mind is quiet, calm, and it is easier to open itself to infinity. All the technicalities you perceive within various religions are actually intended to make your bodies and your mind open to the light coming from above. This light comes to everybody, but most do not take it into care." You can also find the statement of the W56 at page 244 that "people are souls, above all" and at page 246 it is quoted with "behind every physical phenomenon, there is an invisible action that, we, men of this Earth, are unable to notice." At page 243 it is said: "About the free will, our friends maintain that it exists, but there is also an universal condition, because of which everything that has to come is already stated, and when even the simplest things happens, it fixes a lot of future events, up to a future very far away." I cite page 242 to 243: "They were also saying that doing good is not only a duty, but a must. Were men capable to do good sincerely, without hidden purposes, no sadness could be found among them, and that might be the start of new Renaissance. And such an effort would not cost anything; there is no need to spend money, to buy books, to attend courses, in order to enlighten oneself; it suffices the will to do so." Within the New Testament such as in Hebrews 9:28 it said that "so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him." The teaching of the W56 is obviously not contrary to the Gospels. We can still hope for His second coming in "The Universal Center for Redemption" (our Earth, page 242) and God has done so much good to our Earth, as the W56 state on page 243. I may add that it are humans who reject the love of God und thereby His will. Miracles still happen in the Catholic Church such as healing through the sacrament of confession or the last rite.
The W56 also confirm on page 240 and 244 that "Darwin evolution cannot take place: an ape will be forever an ape, a man a man; never the ape will transform itself into a man." "The theory according to which man is an evolution from apes is totally false." The Catholic Church also says that not every word of the Holy Bible has to be taken into account so precisely, but souls can evolve and evolved. At page 230 you find the statement: "Young boys get vaccinated against some kinds of illnesses, but their physicians never attempt to alter their genetic system; they say that the genetic system is like karma, it depends on the past of the person; if one alters it, unpredictable effects may result." "They also wear white suits, specifically in occasion of religious activities" can be found on page 234 as well as "they also pray, on a regular basis." Another rite that is similar to ours is the one described from page 229 to 230: "They suffer very few illnesses, and they cure themselves in a natural way. For instance, they make use of what they call the "perspiration of plants", which to me, is more or less the morning dew. They collect this liquid into a large glass, that they place at the center of a table; this table is colored in red and blue, inside a room that is green (Auhtor: colors are meaningful to them). Then they address a speech to this liquid, telling it what is the illness that should be cured, and how this is to be done. Then they pour the dew into some "ethereal" chalices, glasses that are invisible to bystanders, and they drink this liquid. To be able to see these chalices, one has to use a peculiar kind of spectacles."
At page 27 of the book "50 years of Amicizia (Friendship)" the author Stefano Breccia cited one the medieval poems of one alien member of W56 in the following way:
"Un calice di vino
Che mai non si disvuoti!
O nettare divino,
Tu sai quanto tu puoti..."
Which means: "A glass of wine, that never gets empty! Oh divine nectar, you know how strong you are... " Are the W56 referring to the wine which becomes the blood of Jesus Christ being offered at every Holy Mass to the priest and thereby to the concelebrants? This could very much be the case and also fits to their health rite with the chalice. Who knows? Page 229 of "Mass Contacts" also describes where they originally come from. It is written that "in the largest planet of their confederation, some 15 billions of people live" and so on. You should read this on your own. I just wanted to show that this species of aliens believes in God and that UFOlogists should not say something else. Those who want to abolish God by saying that man was created by extraterrestrials should acknowledge that ETs must have a creator, too. For the W56 God is the creator.
The False Theory of Evolution
Very ugly concepts like Nazism are based on Darwin's evolution. Darwin himself had doubts about his theory. Our friends, the W56, state that this theory is totally false (page 240 and 244 of "Mass Contacts"). Modern quantum physics has proven that we and everything around us exists of atoms and even smaller particles and at the end it says that it all exists of energy waves. However, quantum physics cannot explain how these very small particles, atoms and so on fit together to our bodies or the material form of everything else. There is just one explanation that physicists have: the information field to put it all together at every moment of our lives is the almighty God. Otherwise, our atoms and so on would fall apart and destroy the material forms. Every second of our lives is a wonder even to modern quantum physicists. God so created Earth, living beings and the Cosmos. This divine power also comes into being when Christian healers heal in miraculous ways. This divine power will be the case for the second coming of Jesus Christ out of the clouds of heaven. Only the father God knows when this is going to happen (Mark 13:31-32), but we always should prepare and live like sisters and brothers.
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Stefano Breccia wrote two books about W56 contacts, i got both, second one Amicizia (Friendship) (https://www.amazon.com/Amicizia-Friendship-Warren-P-Aston-ebook/dp/B0092AWLZQ) physical and first one digital linked above.
Both books are superpacked with rare info. For example, usual idea of an ET hardly involves getting drunk on vodka while singing and dancing to Russian songs and later when bar closes driving in a cabrio...... hardly an image public has of an ET. This particular detail is from the second book.
Here are few quotes from the first book to shed some light on these people....this is happening in a bar in Bologna (north Italy) in early 60s. Normal font is Stefano Breccia talking, red is ET.
Of course I don't, so I'll speak in my name only. | believe that two significant moments may be identified: looking for a satisfying knowledge and life style, and to get to be able to reach them. Let me explain. | believe that a reasonable way of life is near to what you've been saying, and that I name Bhagavad Gita. But of course, to be able to behave that way, to us it is necessary to have found a job that allows us to have a sufficient free time, and allows a sufficiently high cultural environment. I've studied dead tongues, religions, philosophy, in order to try to understand something. After all, the point I have reached allows me to consider this talk just as a mean to satisfy an years-long curiosity, but do not believe that I'll get significant operational results from it.
I'd be rather surprised of the contrary. From a petty point of view, it's fine to be looked at as if gods, but, after all, such a talk in front of a whisky glass is much more constructive.
To me the problem consists in that our society is not oriented this way. My aims consist in acquiring culture, first than all from within myself, then at a technological level. But technology is a secondary aspect. If my environment would allow it, I'd be an ascetic, on the top of a mountain.
Your society is based upon money, and this forces to undesirable compromises.
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Another question: does the word "clacteem" mean anything to you? Williamson was writing that you call your bells with this name.
Not at all. Any way, it's names, may be someone is using the one you've quoted. You too call the same thing with many different names, and may be do not even know all of them, in this moment I'm not able to find an example for that.
May be the hundreds of different names Englishmen call a street.
Thats right. If you like, call them Clacteem, or flying saucers. Actually I do not like so much "flying saucers": from one side it's highly reductive, then it makes one thinking of a vegetable soup.
A soup?
Yeah, because of the "saucer".
I do not like too much the term UFO.
Indeed I do, if nothing else, because we have our own UFO'. As one of your writers was used to say, there are much more things than what man may be able to imagine. At times, really seldom, we chance to meet very large objects, in all evidence artificial objects because they do not move within the space in the way natural bodies do. But we have never been able to understand who they are, nor if they are sending messages. Our attempts to communicate with them always failed.
And didn't you try to get near?
It's a paradox: rocket driven vehicles should he necessary, because non inertial devices are repelled.
Why don't you try to follow them?
The Night wanderers (what a poetical name, isnt it?) often change their dimensional environment, so that they escape in an unrecoverable way. May be, one day or another, we'll meet them
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It's not the name to have importance. Obviously, while tending to God man finds himself. And that's what we're trying to do. You may see that we and the CTR' have similar problems, but there's a big difference: we do not have at our disposal a herd to use in our experiments. Therefore we try to understand how human societies are organized, looking for a common sub- structure, that actually is still escaping our efforts. For instance, we havent yet understood how it may be that you, a relatively primitive people, exhibit parapsychical attitudes that we need dedicated hardware to grasp. We haven t understood where is the difference, if there's any, and that's one of the subjects we're studying. In this moment, I'm studying you much more that your studying me.
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Well, I may understand your interest, and will try to answer your questions, if then you are going to answer the same questions. To us science is not an important goal. We believe that what we already know is enough by large, therefore our scientists have a secondary role in our society. In a certain way, we are like the CTRS, willing to make a jump in our existence. We still have too many links to the physical world, much more than what we'd like. That's true with ourselves: other people are beyond us, and other behind, you among them. We are sure that man is not so much made of matter, therefore we are trying to get rid of this useless appendix, encouraged by the fact that others have already succeeded. Man' ultimate goal is God, and that looks like the serpent in you sagas, who is biting its own tail.
"The Friendship Story": Stefano Breccia speaks at Conference in Hawaii (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPWCXjFvtaI)
Below is a photo of one of them nicknamed Kenio by humans for they did not use names in traditional sense. 3 meters tall. Their height ranged from 1 to 6 meters and some were not physical but in energy form, one such is shown on back of the second book attached below.
Walter Rizzi UFO/ET encounter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ms8ZDOJT4w
Full article:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/2kmbemoh6jipy4i/Rizzi%252CUFOs_1968%252CItalian_Dolomites%252CFSR80V26N3.pdf/file
Summary:
Location. Grodner Pass Dolomite Mountains Italy
Date: July 1968
Time: 0100A
The witness, a Mr. Walter Rizzi was driving when he suddenly felt sleepy and encountered a fog. He pulled off the road. He smelled something burning and went to investigate; he then saw a silvery white domed disc shaped craft approach. The object landed on three legs. The witness felt unable to move. He saw two beings inside the dome and a 3-meter tall robot with 3 legs and 4 arms, appeared to be working on the craft. A being came out of the craft, he was described as five-foot three inches tall, with a large head, and large beautiful cat like eyes, with a small nose, thin lips, short hair and olive green skin, with broad shoulders and a narrow waist. He had feet like horse's hoofs and moved in a hopping fashion. He wore a tight uniform with a transparent helmet with two tubes behind it. The being smiled and greeted the witness, a telepathic conversation then ensued. The being told the witness that in the not to distant future 80% of life on earth would be destroyed due to a polar shift. As the craft took off, a powerful force knocked the witness back. The object left straight up emitting a loud whistling sound.
HC addition # 442
Source: Thomas E Bullard, UFO Abductions The Measure of A Mystery
Type: B
Another case from Italy - Rosa Lotti case
Since she says craft was covered with leather, this to me strongly indicates Earth based underground dwellers. Reports of high tech little people / dwarfs coming from underground absolutely abound world-wide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG3b6o3_jNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlkhpvhmzmU
Full article:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/je736q9kk8tr2ry/Conti%252CHumanoids_1954%252CCennina%252CFSR72V18N5.pdf/file
Summary:
Location. Cennina Italy
Date: November 1 1954
Time: 0730A
Rosa Lotti was walking into Cennina, carrying her stockings and shoes and a bunch of carnations when she perceived a big vertical spindle, "like 2 cones joined at their bases over 6 ft high and 3 ft wide." It was not metallic, but looked leathery. Through an open door in the lower half could be seen 2 little seats. From behind this craft emerged two little men 3 ft tall, who approached her with friendly expressions, the older one laughing. They wore a sort of gray tight fitting one piece coverall covering the feet, short gray cloaks, and doublets with shiny buttons; on their heads were helmets with leather earflaps. They were speaking a language that sounded like Chinese, 'liu, lai, loi." Their mouths showed strong, rather protruding teeth. Approaching Lotti, they snatched from her the carnations and one of her stockings; wrapping the flowers in the stocking, they threw them into the "spindle." Then one of them took out a brown wrapped circular object, carrying it in the crook of the arm. Lotti ran away; she looked back after 100 meters and they were gone. A stonemason, R Berti, saw a luminous "rocket" rise. A deep hole in the ground was later found at the site.
Humcat 1954-123
Source: Prato UFO Study Group & Sergio Conti,
FSR Vol. 18 # 5
Type: C
As article says, many people saw the same craft later in the evening, their testimonies are included, they say craft was shinig an extremely bright light, totally silent.