Quote from: bistander on August 31, 2023, 11:36:22 PM
Hi Dave,
You say "Bloch wall", in above quote (my bold). I suspect you learned this from those books and vids. It is totally BS. I've been telling this to those folks on the Energetic forum for years. Finally I found an excellent reference to back me up. Please watch this video. She gets into the Bloch wall about 12:50 time marker.
https://youtu.be/vTV1EVb-V2c?si=sGgR95oeLOE2U7Vj
And the middle of the magnet (on axis between poles) does not repel iron. It may appear to, but that's because it is an area of little to no attraction and the nearby poles exhibit strong attraction. Easily seen with iron filings.
bi
Hey bi, I watched the vid when you posted it on Energetic forum. I'll post an image below by John Bedini... it shows what we are discussing here. Repulsion is real... the magnet does not attract the iron, which is opposite of the attraction a north or South Pole face.
John showed the loops north and south as you stated, see the bottom left corner image.
Dave Wing
Hi Dave,
People believe what (whom) they want. Good luck.
bi
FWIW, here is a copy of a post I made years ago on OUR on a private thread-
For any that might be interested, this is an improved design of coil/core used in tangential induction. The idea is to have as large an area in one polarity as compared to the opposite polarity in a coil's current that has been induced with a tangential PM field.
The pix below is the PM and coil assembly used for this test. The elongated core is 7 pieces of 1/4 ferrite E cores with 30 turns of 15-34 litz wire and the PM was moved past the core by hand.
The first scope pix shows an area of 2.975mAs for the total current waveform.
The second scope pix show an area of 4.265mAs for the positive area of the waveform.
From this we can calculate the negative area from 2.975mAs-4.265mAs = -1.29mAs. Therefore, the positive to negative ratio is [4.265]/[1.29] = 3.32:1 .
What good is this? Well, by using a balancing magnetic or electromagnetic arrangement on a rotor that will null the Lenz effect from the positive PM induction in this case, a very low drag PM generator can be built which should produce OU.
Regards,
Pm
Edit: I temporarily removed this post because I thot I had included the wrong scope pix.
Quote from: bistander on September 01, 2023, 08:38:57 AM
Hi Dave,
People believe what (whom) they want. Good luck.
bi
Yes I agree with your point.
John appears to be using Howard Johnson's depiction of corner spins of magnets... if Howard was wrong then it can be that the screen shot below is right. To me it does not matter, the waveform it produces is what matters and how we can use it.
Dave Wing
Quote from: partzman on September 01, 2023, 08:53:25 AM
FWIW, here is a copy of a post I made years ago on OUR on a private thread-
For any that might be interested, this is an improved design of coil/core used in tangential induction. The idea is to have as large an area in one polarity as compared to the opposite polarity in a coil's current that has been induced with a tangential PM field.
The pix below is the PM and coil assembly used for this test. The elongated core is 7 pieces of 1/4 ferrite E cores with 30 turns of 15-34 litz wire and the PM was moved past the core by hand.
The first scope pix shows an area of 2.975mAs for the total current waveform.
The second scope pix show an area of 4.265mAs for the positive area of the waveform.
From this we can calculate the negative area from 2.975mAs-4.265mAs = -1.29mAs. Therefore, the positive to negative ratio is [4.265]/[1.29] = 3.32:1 .
What good is this? Well, by using a balancing magnetic or electromagnetic arrangement on a rotor that will null the Lenz effect from the positive PM induction in this case, a very low drag PM generator can be built which should produce OU.
Regards,
Pm
Edit: I temporarily removed this post because I thot I had included the wrong scope pix.
partzman, thanks for sharing your research.
Dave Wing
Hi all here is a video it is of very poor production quality as it was shot with my iPad in hand and it was very hard to hold steady... sorry for that.
It show the generated waveform as the power wire is disconnected from the primary. It is running on a Bedini SG circuit and is triggered by a small 50ohm induction coil connected to the base of the transistor and the SG ground. The rotor is 6 inches in diameter and has four standard ceramic 1-7/8" x 1" x 1/2 magnets laying on their sides imbedded in an aluminum rotor. Each of the four rotor magnets contains two of these magnets stacked. There are four coils of 800 feet of 18awg each, all four coils are in series with each other.
The motor is experimental and is not refined or optimized in any way shape or form.
https://youtu.be/p-btQuWH5XQ?si=5GCBayDsvzcidcth
Dave Wing
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 01, 2023, 08:24:58 AM
Hey bi, I watched the vid when you posted it on Energetic forum. I'll post an image below by John Bedini... it shows what we are discussing here. Repulsion is real... the magnet does not attract the iron, which is opposite of the attraction a north or South Pole face.
John showed the loops north and south as you stated, see the bottom left corner image.
Dave Wing
What do the arrows depict in the magnetic field around the PM ?
Here is a quick video I made today of my current machine with 70 percent recovery to the secondary battery.
https://youtu.be/wQX78gIlezU
Dave Wing
This is the second vid that shows 50% recovery with more rpm. It has a stable recovery of 50% throughout the rpm band.
https://youtu.be/y0RNbQ0rlcw
Dave Wing
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 01, 2023, 09:55:51 PM
This is the second vid that shows 50% recovery with more rpm. It has a stable recovery of 50% throughout the rpm band.
https://youtu.be/y0RNbQ0rlcw
Dave Wing
Both video's set to private.
Can't view.
Quote from: tinman on September 01, 2023, 11:30:51 PM
Both video's set to private.
Can't view.
Sorry about that, I just made the changes to public.
Dave Wing
Here is the schematic of the pulse motor as found in the videos I linked above.
Food for thought...
This was given by Paul Babcock in his video presentations.
Again from Paul's Presentation
Another image from Paul's presentation.
Hey Admin can you please move all my posts and others to a dedicated thread and I can post there rather than on Joel's thread?
Dave Wing
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 03, 2023, 09:31:19 AM
Food for thought...
This was given by Paul Babcock in his video presentations.
So where do we see babcocks self running device ?
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 03, 2023, 09:33:39 AM
Another image from Paul's presentation.
I see their yet to learn about inductance value, and the time constant associated with it.
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 03, 2023, 09:31:19 AM
Food for thought...
This was given by Paul Babcock in his video presentations.
Show us this mathematical proof.
bi
Graphic pasted below:
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 03, 2023, 09:33:39 AM
Another image from Paul's presentation.
This requires 100 times the mass of copper.
bi
Quote from: bistander on September 03, 2023, 01:07:37 PM
This requires 100 times the mass of copper.
bi
When you're building electric motors everything is a compromise, choose your poison.
Quote from: tinman on September 03, 2023, 10:28:36 AM
So where do we see babcocks self running device ?
I guess we have to take it all on faith there is actually free energy devices made. I could ask where is Tesla's, Bruce DePalma's, Tewari's Newman's Trump's, Gray's etc. Why are we in the field if there is no such thing as a system that can power its self and do work?
What do you believe?
Dave Wing
Hi Dave,
For me, proof is required, in the established scientific methodology.
bi
Quote from: bistander on September 03, 2023, 03:34:32 PM
Hi Dave,
For me, proof is required, in the established scientific methodology.
bi
Have you seen any proof?
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 03, 2023, 04:23:01 PM
Have you seen any proof?
No. Hear claims, but never shown proof.
bi
Quote from: bistander on September 03, 2023, 06:23:57 PM
No. Hear claims, but never shown proof.
bi
Do you build machines?
Quote from: partzman on September 01, 2023, 08:53:25 AM
FWIW, here is a copy of a post I made years ago on OUR on a private thread-
For any that might be interested, this is an improved design of coil/core used in tangential induction. The idea is to have as large an area in one polarity as compared to the opposite polarity in a coil's current that has been induced with a tangential PM field.
The pix below is the PM and coil assembly used for this test. The elongated core is 7 pieces of 1/4 ferrite E cores with 30 turns of 15-34 litz wire and the PM was moved past the core by hand.
The first scope pix shows an area of 2.975mAs for the total current waveform.
The second scope pix show an area of 4.265mAs for the positive area of the waveform.
From this we can calculate the negative area from 2.975mAs-4.265mAs = -1.29mAs. Therefore, the positive to negative ratio is [4.265]/[1.29] = 3.32:1 .
What good is this? Well, by using a balancing magnetic or electromagnetic arrangement on a rotor that will null the Lenz effect from the positive PM induction in this case, a very low drag PM generator can be built which should produce OU.
Regards,
Pm
Edit: I temporarily removed this post because I thot I had included the wrong scope pix.
Partzman,
when I saw your tangential setup I remembered a member "winsonali" back then in 2010 with his proposal here
https://overunity.com/7987/new-invention-of-motion-less-generation-of-electric-power/585/ (https://overunity.com/7987/new-invention-of-motion-less-generation-of-electric-power/585/)
In his
Reply 586 ( first picture ) he explained how to extract energy without cogging
His proposal used speaker-magnet like cores...see further down this page
Mike
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 03, 2023, 03:11:17 PM
Why are we in the field if there is no such thing as a system that can power its self and do work?
What do you believe?
Dave Wing
Well when you are talking about the people you follow, such as the likes of babcock, linderman, Aaron the rookie, and the likes-they are in it for the money. They capture people with their word salad and voodoo, and their many books of secrets--that have no secrets in them lol.
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 03, 2023, 06:26:16 PM
Do you build machines?
Occasionally. I'm retired. I have 5 decades in the field. Just now putting the finishing touches (rebuild) on a 250 pound DC series wound motor intended for a 96V battery powered tractor. Associate and I also just finished board set-up, programming and testing of the BMS for it. A contract job for a former student of ours who now owns the company and throws us a cookie now and then. So, I'd say yes.
bi
Quote from: tinman on September 03, 2023, 07:39:53 PM
Well when you are talking about the people you follow, such as the likes of babcock, linderman, Aaron the rookie, and the likes-they are in it for the money. They capture people with their word salad and voodoo, and their many books of secrets--that have no secrets in them lol.
In my opinion they release bits and pieces, and see if people will put in the work and to see how far researchers can go with it as it is released. In all honesty I see nothing wrong with making money off your research or discoveries during or after years of hard work in the field.
Believe me I was following all those guys Bedini, Bearden, Lindemann etc. It took me a long time to understand what these people were saying between the lines. Yeah they could have just said it outright on their first release of info, but they chose not to. Maybe it was great fun or great conversation to see who could extract the finer points in what they were saying and implement them. I don't know. It took me years to understand and grasp the concept, I have shown and or described here.
The biggest help I ever had was Steve Gillis, erfinder, the man was a smart dude. We conversed for a few months on Skype and he shared a lot with me about what John Bedini was presenting in the Ferris wheel and the zero force motor. Even though we spent many hours discussing and dissecting John's stuff, Steve was willing to share certain aspects that I have still not quite figured out yet, but I will in time, I am so close I can taste it!
Perhaps John may or may not have been the inventor of the arrangement of the Ferris wheel and or the zero force motor, I don't know but he did have connections with fellow's like John Cejeka who gave him access to mountains of information from other inventors inventions. That being said I do not know if the energy machine of Johns were original to him or if the magnetic arrangement has been passed down through the days of Tesla? But one thing is certain it is not taught in universities and the like.
To me this is the true monopole magnetic field, referring to the assemetrical wave form. I believe various inventors have used this arrangement in their machines motor / generators to supply feed back to the front end, to limit or remove all need for a power source for their machines.
Tinman maybe you release all you information or discoveries you make for free and don't expect a dime in return and that is very kind of you. But others may think differently and want to make something of off of their hard research. I don't fault them for it. I just buy it and consume it and get a few more tidbits to help me to work on my goal of free energy, which is very close to unity. I have made advancements and sharing info freely, but I may decide to sell some info or kits down the road if I ever reach my goal. No harm in that.
Dave Wing
This is the Ferris wheel arrangement of John Bedini, I believe it produces the the same wave form as I show in my scope shots, the asymmetrical waveform, what I call a monopole. Another user on Energy Science forum posted this when erfinder was discussing this there. It was the wind generation thread. I will find the post made referring to this diagram and post it here. This produces the same waveform partzman has shown and the same one I have shown. Apparently you can skin a cat multiple ways.
Dave Wing
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 03, 2023, 08:36:22 PM
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm
Here is the Mini Romag, what JL does not say is if you pass the magnet in the other direction you would get a more negative waveform, opposite representation of the one shown.
Dave Wing
Lenz law...
Lenz law...
Quote from: bistander on September 03, 2023, 07:59:45 PM
Occasionally. I'm retired. I have 5 decades in the field. Just now putting the finishing touches (rebuild) on a 250 pound DC series wound motor intended for a 96V battery powered tractor. Associate and I also just finished board set-up, programming and testing of the BMS for it. A contract job for a former student of ours who now owns the company and throws us a cookie now and then. So, I'd say yes.
bi
Thanks for sharing, I appreciate it.
Short clip Energy From the Vacuum 9... warp one way it is negative warp the other way it is positive.
https://youtube.com/shorts/zxqjdlfJLJc?si=J7tPpxAFyGtxL_Oa
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 03, 2023, 11:40:49 PM
Short clip Energy From the Vacuum 9... warp one way it is negative warp the other way it is positive.
https://youtube.com/shorts/zxqjdlfJLJc?si=J7tPpxAFyGtxL_Oa
::)
A little Nostalgia from an Old Book (can't remember the source or year)
but it's probably from a Middle or High School Physics class!
:) Ahhh, those were the days... :( Might be still valid, however.
BTW, the Col. (Bearden - sp?) was a cool dude, back in the day!
[RIP - we all miss you - he could/would go on for hours and you never got bored!]
Attached pdf - "Chapter 11 Inductance"
And, the only two diagrams I ever remembered ;)
Still wondering why the Secondary Current in a Transformer
doesn't have any phase shift? 8)
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 03, 2023, 08:23:06 PM
In my opinion they release bits and pieces, and see if people will put in the work and to see how far researchers can go with it as it is released. In all honesty I see nothing wrong with making money off your research or discoveries during or after years of hard work in the field.
Believe me I was following all those guys Bedini, Bearden, Lindemann etc. It took me a long time to understand what these people were saying between the lines. Yeah they could have just said it outright on their first release of info, but they chose not to. Maybe it was great fun or great conversation to see who could extract the finer points in what they were saying and implement them. I don't know. It took me years to understand and grasp the concept, I have shown and or described here.
The biggest help I ever had was Steve Gillis, erfinder, the man was a smart dude. We conversed for a few months on Skype and he shared a lot with me about what John Bedini was presenting in the Ferris wheel and the zero force motor. Even though we spent many hours discussing and dissecting John's stuff, Steve was willing to share certain aspects that I have still not quite figured out yet, but I will in time, I am so close I can taste it!
Perhaps John may or may not have been the inventor of the arrangement of the Ferris wheel and or the zero force motor, I don't know but he did have connections with fellow's like John Cejeka who gave him access to mountains of information from other inventors inventions. That being said I do not know if the energy machine of Johns were original to him or if the magnetic arrangement has been passed down through the days of Tesla? But one thing is certain it is not taught in universities and the like.
To me this is the true monopole magnetic field, referring to the assemetrical wave form. I believe various inventors have used this arrangement in their machines motor / generators to supply feed back to the front end, to limit or remove all need for a power source for their machines.
Tinman maybe you release all you information or discoveries you make for free and don't expect a dime in return and that is very kind of you. But others may think differently and want to make something of off of their hard research. I don't fault them for it. I just buy it and consume it and get a few more tidbits to help me to work on my goal of free energy, which is very close to unity. I have made advancements and sharing info freely, but I may decide to sell some info or kits down the road if I ever reach my goal. No harm in that.
Dave Wing
There is a difference between adding word salad and voodoo to well know stuff, and selling it as some new discovery, and those that stray from the norm, and actually find something new, and share it free of charge.
So here is the story. After building my very first pulse motor, and having it actually run the very first time, i joined a forum.
From memory, i believe it was called TEEP. Now, not sure if it was you that mentioned comwarrior, or some one else a few days ago, but he was a moderator on that forum. After a few weeks messing around with the standard old ssg circuit, i started messing around with some new ideas. Now, when my pulse motor designs started to put comworriors to shame, he banned me from posting them, saying they were dangerous, and could start fires lol. Anyway, a lot of the members there started to complain on my behalf, and a lot of us ended up in a big shitfight with said comwarrior. Myself and another member (who also became a good friend) started up another forum-the IAEC (International Alternative Energy Center) Here is the links to my partners youtube channel. You will spend days watching his videos, and all the pulse motors he has built. He has built more pulse motors than all of us put together. ( https://www.youtube.com/@MisterCaribbeanRoots/videos )
Needless to say, over half of the members from TEEP came and joined our new forum.
This is what we did on that forum. We took pulse motors to another level.
Rather than make claims of my own, here is a member that did a replication of one of my pulse motor circuits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HwUuPQn2W8&list=FLsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w&index=87
I also did a lot of work on solid state circuits, and here is one that another replicated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvf9Uo7UVx0&list=FLsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w&index=31
I have been working on different designs and circuits for pulse motors, and many other things for over 20 years now.
And right at this moment, i have some here replicating my latest invention.
If you want to know how a waveform should look across a pulse motor coil, then look at the scope shot below.
That is the waveform that will get you to where you want to be, and you would have never seen a waveform from a pulse motor like the one below. I'm not sure if you know what you are looking at when looking at scope traces, but here it is anyway.
The CVR is 1 ohms, and the scope shot shows the rest of the story.
If you are spinning magnets or coils, then you will not get over the edge.
You need to think out of the box, and venture into the untried.
Brad
Hi Fellows - Dave Wing, Tinman, Anyone,
Excuse my ignorance w.r.t. these Pulsed Motors but I have to ask if these are designed to
create "Excess Energy" by "Self Running" while also "Charging Batteries."
It all sounds quite interesting but I could use a bit of an overview of the development
objectives and what the end results might yield (output capacity, etc. would be helpful).
The only thing I know about Bedini's devices is they apparently used pulses to rejuvenate
lead-acid batteries (I think one of my Stanley 12VDC Battery Chargers uses this concept).
Appreciate any help, links, explainations or details if it's not too much trouble.
My search is to find the best "Excess Energy" solution before time runs out! :(
There are a few good options already on the table but just trying to "leave no stone unturned" in this pursuit.
Thanks, seriously! (And No, I'm not trying to steal your ideas or designs or anything.)
SL
Quote from: SolarLab on September 04, 2023, 04:51:21 AM
Hi Fellows - Dave Wing, Tinman, Anyone,
Excuse my ignorance w.r.t. these Pulsed Motors but I have to ask if these are designed to
create "Excess Energy" by "Self Running" while also "Charging Batteries."
It all sounds quite interesting but I could use a bit of an overview of the development
objectives and what the end results might yield (output capacity, etc. would be helpful).
The only thing I know about Bedini's devices is they apparently used pulses to rejuvenate
lead-acid batteries (I think one of my Stanley 12VDC Battery Chargers uses this concept).
Appreciate any help, links, explainations or details if it's not too much trouble.
My search is to find the best "Excess Energy" solution before time runs out! :(
There are a few good options already on the table but just trying to "leave no stone unturned" in this pursuit.
Thanks, seriously! (And No, I'm not trying to steal your ideas or designs or anything.)
SL
The pulse motors as per bedini design will kill your battery after a while.
The voltage spikes are too high. The battery chargers with desulphation/rejuvenation mode, use around 20-30 volt pulses
to dissolve any remaining sulphate crystals on the plates.
Quote from: tinman on September 04, 2023, 04:11:41 AM
There is a difference between adding word salad and voodoo to well know stuff, and selling it as some new discovery, and those that stray from the norm, and actually find something new, and share it free of charge.
So here is the story. After building my very first pulse motor, and having it actually run the very first time, i joined a forum.
From memory, i believe it was called TEEP. Now, not sure if it was you that mentioned comwarrior, or some one else a few days ago, but he was a moderator on that forum. After a few weeks messing around with the standard old ssg circuit, i started messing around with some new ideas. Now, when my pulse motor designs started to put comworriors to shame, he banned me from posting them, saying they were dangerous, and could start fires lol. Anyway, a lot of the members there started to complain on my behalf, and a lot of us ended up in a big shitfight with said comwarrior. Myself and another member (who also became a good friend) started up another forum-the IAEC (International Alternative Energy Center) Here is the links to my partners youtube channel. You will spend days watching his videos, and all the pulse motors he has built. He has built more pulse motors than all of us put together. ( https://www.youtube.com/@MisterCaribbeanRoots/videos )
Needless to say, over half of the members from TEEP came and joined our new forum.
This is what we did on that forum. We took pulse motors to another level.
Rather than make claims of my own, here is a member that did a replication of one of my pulse motor circuits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HwUuPQn2W8&list=FLsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w&index=87
I also did a lot of work on solid state circuits, and here is one that another replicated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvf9Uo7UVx0&list=FLsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w&index=31
I have been working on different designs and circuits for pulse motors, and many other things for over 20 years now.
And right at this moment, i have some here replicating my latest invention.
If you want to know how a waveform should look across a pulse motor coil, then look at the scope shot below.
That is the waveform that will get you to where you want to be, and you would have never seen a waveform from a pulse motor like the one below. I'm not sure if you know what you are looking at when looking at scope traces, but here it is anyway.
The CVR is 1 ohms, and the scope shot shows the rest of the story.
If you are spinning magnets or coils, then you will not get over the edge.
You need to think out of the box, and venture into the untried.
Brad
I have seen all those YouTube channels over the years, however I don't think I ever watched this one particular video https://youtu.be/hvf9Uo7UVx0?si=ffgltO6zmKJ7FGt3 it is a nice piece of work Brad, very interesting. How far did you get with it?
As far as the Bedini circuit sending the coil collapse to the secondary bank and killing batteries, I don't believe the pulses cause any harm to batteries, as long as they are not mechanically damaged and or dried out. If you choose to use batteries you should use wet cell batteries that are in good condition, new batteries preferably.
In this research field there is many avenues to travel down, many directions of research and multiple ways to get results. I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade or trying steal their glory, in fact I value others research and feel there is room for multiple paths of discovery to reach the common goal. I don't discount what others say, if it is the truth then I will follow and make adjustments to get to where I need to be.That is how I have gotten this far in life.
Quote from: SolarLab on September 04, 2023, 04:51:21 AM
Hi Fellows - Dave Wing, Tinman, Anyone,
Excuse my ignorance w.r.t. these Pulsed Motors but I have to ask if these are designed to
create "Excess Energy" by "Self Running" while also "Charging Batteries."
It all sounds quite interesting but I could use a bit of an overview of the development
objectives and what the end results might yield (output capacity, etc. would be helpful).
The only thing I know about Bedini's devices is they apparently used pulses to rejuvenate
lead-acid batteries (I think one of my Stanley 12VDC Battery Chargers uses this concept).
Appreciate any help, links, explainations or details if it's not too much trouble.
My search is to find the best "Excess Energy" solution before time runs out! :(
There are a few good options already on the table but just trying to "leave no stone unturned" in this pursuit.
Thanks, seriously! (And No, I'm not trying to steal your ideas or designs or anything.)
SL
I cannot speak for anyone but myself, it has been a long process of learning, spinning your wheels and then learning, I have been researching free energy and purchased Energy From The Vacuum by Thomas Bearden in August 2005. I was on the Bedini Yahoo groups, prior to the forums you see now. One thing I discovered is it takes an extreme amount to work to find those needles in the hay stack. Those needles are hidden under piles of information, misinformation, disinformation, you name it. I am so surprised to this day that the free energy community does not have an open source path to construct a basic free energy machine that produces mechanical energy by self powering itself. It's shameful, but understandable why we do not have build instructions of such a device in the public domain that anyone can build, by looking it up on line.
Enough said...
Now I believe the whole point of the SG is not to charge a secondary battery bank, the purpose of the SG is to try and teach the experimenter to advance his understanding of what the machine is doing and make the necessary changes to maximize the recovery section and send that as feed back to the primary circuit so the machine can power itself. To me that is how experimenters should be thinking ((( feed back))) it can be done with an isolated winding. Remember the SG with the inductive trigger winding is a 1:1 transformer as shown by John. Trigger the SG with external trigger mechanism, small inductive coil, hall switch, opto, etc. and make sure you have a separate winding for transformer action. People need to be thinking of feed back loops, Energy can neither be created or destroyed, but can it be recycled as feed back to the front end powering the machine! That is one aspect and or area that needs to be strongly focused on by the free energy community.
Dave Wing
A video showing the waveform's counter clockwise produces a more negative waveform vs a clockwise which produces a more positive waveform.
https://youtu.be/EvvkbkePDwg?si=eiMpvnYM0jHulMBQ
Dave Wing
Quoteauthor=Dave Wing link=topic=19537.msg582002#msg582002 date=1693854332
QuoteI have seen all those YouTube channels over the years, however I don't think I ever watched this one particular video https://youtu.be/hvf9Uo7UVx0?si=ffgltO6zmKJ7FGt3 it is a nice piece of work Brad, very interesting. How far did you get with it?
Lets just say it is one of the most efficient LED drivers you will ever see.
Re: #92
I couple an average 90% conversion efficiency electric motor with an average 90% efficient electric generator and get a total system
η spoken Eta
about 0,9 x 0,9 = 0,81 ,means : 81% efficiency
C.O.P. IS NOT efficiency !
An heat pump with C.O.P. 3x has as machine Eta :
1 -(1/3) = 0,66 , means 66% net efficiency
Question : which can be the motor-generator C.O.P.,min. to max. ?
Electric motors as electric generators makes part from thermodynamic machines ergo to observate :
https://www.mecholic.com/2015/10/what-is-exergy-and-anergy.html?m=1 (https://www.mecholic.com/2015/10/what-is-exergy-and-anergy.html?m=1)
wmbr
OCWL
p.s.: Eta-max and the middle stone in the game tic-tac-toe
a motor-generator couple with a C.O.P. 100x has an Eta :
1- (1/100) = 0,99 ,means 99 % efficiency
a motor-generator couple with C.O.P. 1000x
1-(1/1000) = 0,999 ,means 99,9% efficiency
Eta ≥ 1 NEVER to reach !
Eta =1 ~ tictactoe M-point,ever fixed ,unreachable
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 04, 2023, 03:28:01 PM
I cannot speak for anyone but myself, it has been a long process of learning, spinning your wheels and then learning, I have been researching free energy and purchased Energy From The Vacuum by Thomas Bearden in August 2005. I was on the Bedini Yahoo groups, prior to the forums you see now. One thing I discovered is it takes an extreme amount to work to find those needles in the hay stack. Those needles are hidden under piles of information, misinformation, disinformation, you name it. I am so surprised to this day that the free energy community does not have an open source path to construct a basic free energy machine that produces mechanical energy by self powering itself. It's shameful, but understandable why we do not have build instructions of such a device in the public domain that anyone can build, by looking it up on line.
Enough said...
Now I believe the whole point of the SG is not to charge a secondary battery bank, the purpose of the SG is to try and teach the experimenter to advance his understanding of what the machine is doing and make the necessary changes to maximize the recovery section and send that as feed back to the primary circuit so the machine can power itself. To me that is how experimenters should be thinking ((( feed back))) it can be done with an isolated winding. Remember the SG with the inductive trigger winding is a 1:1 transformer as shown by John. Trigger the SG with external trigger mechanism, small inductive coil, hall switch, opto, etc. and make sure you have a separate winding for transformer action. People need to be thinking of feed back loops, Energy can neither be created or destroyed, but can it be recycled as feed back to the front end powering the machine! That is one aspect and or area that needs to be strongly focused on by the free energy community.
Dave Wing
The Bedini SG is... well I'll let John Describe it.
SO TRUE LANCA. I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT THE MOTHER AND FATHER OF OVER UNITY IS EFFICIENCY
AND ONE NEEDS TO KNOW WHERE THE ENERGY IS COMING FROM.
Here you have two Watson Machines, the larger one has the 3 coil arrangement with the offset magnet rotor that gives you the asymmetrical waveform, the small one appears to have no offset arrangement only ring magnets.
The Bedini SG is an all in one machine that was based upon John's 1984 book called "BEDINI'S FREE ENERGY GENERATOR". It is the same machine built by Jim Watson. They are all motor generators, the SG is the same, it generates while running. When you set up the machine with the asymmetrical magnets or use the three coil setup as found in John's Ferris Wheel, you can generate the same waveform as the Kromrey converter which generates using low drag generator stress fields.
The SG can produce the same waveform as the Kromrey Converter when you use the asymmetrical magnets.
Dave Wing
Chris Sykes also had this to say about the magnetic gating of stress fields in an asymmetrical magnetic arrangement.
Here is the waveform that is the same as half of a Kromrey Converter, produced by two magnets and Bedini SG circuitry.
The Bedini SG does send a charge to the primary and secondary batteries, if the primary coil can generate enough voltage to overcome the batteries voltage. I screen shot two circuit images of the SG, below they both produce the same results to the primary and secondary battery.
-Diode One (1N4001) rectifies the negative half of the north magnet waveform and sends it to the primary battery.
-Diode two (1N4007) rectifies the positive half of the north magnet waveform and sends it to the secondary battery.
The North Pole waveform has two emf's, one positive and one negative, that are diverted into two different pathways using a one wire coil.
In the first image of the Bedini SG circuit the negative half of the waveform is sent to the primary battery if the coil can generate a high enough voltage to over come the primary battery voltage. If the positive waveform is clipped it is sending a charge to the primary battery, if it is not clipped no charge is going to the primary battery.
The images below offer the same results. Also don't forget your inductive coil collapse which also goes to your secondary battery on top of the positive half of the clipped waveform.
Here is a simple test to prove what I said above, there are two induced voltages, one positive and one negative.
So the million dollar question is...
When looking at the images above which induced portion of the waveform created from the North Pole passing the core of the coil produces an induced voltage (EMF) in the same direction as the applied voltage of the primary battery?
Again...
Is it the positive or negative portion of the North Pole asymmetrical waveform?
What happens if you reduce the magnitude of the negative portion of the waveform, so that the EMF is more positive than negative? As the image below shows.
Image below screen shots from this video... https://youtu.be/p-btQuWH5XQ?si=KQ09EN_Da0W7nejm
Chat GPT describes the result of CEMF inversion to aid the applied voltage of the primary battery.
What are the implications?
A few posts by erfinder regarding the image posted by user Kiril_Kirilov.
Posts based upon the triplet of inductors and how they produce the asymmetrical waveform, and how forgiving they are as low drag generators that use Lenz law for us and not against us as CEMF.
Another...
Another
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And another...
Hey Dave the last 14 posts seem to be more of you answering yourself with various bedini screenshots. Not sure what "big point" you're trying to make here. Esp in relation to my original post.
Perhaps as you mentioned, Start your own tread with more appropriate topic? Maybe name it something like "A deep dive into Bedini motor waveforms. Just a suggestion.
My circuit diagram that I share here is nothing complex, in the case that it will bunk or debunk these devices. That's not my job or point to make such a broad determination. How ever I enjoy very much providing alternative circuit hock ups. Maybe not a project for you. From all the good feedback I been getting from this circuit diagram. I can tell it's helping. This was just to share a circuit diagram.
As far as digging deep into the inner workings of Bedini devices i'm sure you are aware of the ample information forum posts etc that delve into the very core of it all. Some you have screenshotted and re-posted. Agreed it's a good read. just perhaps a tad off specific topic of this post.
My circuit tries to focus on trying to recycle more of the power back into the circuit. And not so much a debate post on Bedini waveforms per say. I could start a new subject post for that if I wanted. As that can be important for the bigger picture. If your serious at building full-scale.
On the other hand if you want to make your small cute ebay toy Bedini motor more efficient without a full rebuild, my schematic offers a partial solution.
Take care.
Quote from: joellagace on September 08, 2023, 09:40:10 AM
Hey Dave the last 14 posts seem to be more of you answering yourself with various bedini screenshots. Not sure what "big point" you're trying to make here. Esp in relation to my original post.
Perhaps as you mentioned, Start your own tread with more appropriate topic? Maybe name it something like "A deep dive into Bedini motor waveforms. Just a suggestion.
My circuit diagram that I share here is nothing complex, in the case that it will bunk or debunk these devices. That's not my job or point to make such a broad determination. How ever I enjoy very much providing alternative circuit hock ups. Maybe not a project for you. From all the good feedback I been getting from this circuit diagram. I can tell it's helping. This was just to share a circuit diagram.
As far as digging deep into the inner workings of Bedini devices i'm sure you are aware of the ample information forum posts etc that delve into the very core of it all. Some you have screenshotted and re-posted. Agreed it's a good read. just perhaps a tad off specific topic of this post.
My circuit tries to focus on trying to recycle more of the power back into the circuit. And not so much a debate post on Bedini waveforms per say. I could start a new subject post for that if I wanted. As that can be important for the bigger picture. If your serious at building full-scale.
On the other hand if you want to make your small cute ebay toy Bedini motor more efficient without a full rebuild, my schematic offers a partial solution.
Take care.
Hi Joel, yeah sorry for taking over your thread I do apologize. My initial few posts were about CEMF and it turned out to be an information dump.
The point of my posts, which it appears most are missing is the Bedini SG is a pulse motor that generates while it runs, however it does have the typical drag if you add an auxiliary generating coil. The remedy to overcome the typical drag of the generator coils (that everyone is familiar with) is to use one of two near dragless generator options posted above, the first being the three coil system and the second is to just simply turning the magnets 90* and using them on their sides. This is the secret of the free energy generation that John Bedini never told you about, he just showed you and put it in your face, I am talking about the ferris wheel, and not many understood, including me at the time.
I believe the two outside coils are sending the induced waveforms to the center coil, to put voltage and current in phase. I posted two responses from CHAT GPT above on how a motor performs using the three coil system or using the magnets on their sides. Erfinder says it well in his posts above.
It took me years to wrap my head around this concept, and much time on the bench familiarizing myself with how turning the magnets on their sides was beneficial to a motor and or a generator.
If anyone tries it they will see. Do I have all the answers no I don't. Do I have the start of the path forward to a self powering machine, I believe I do. Again I want to stress John made the rotored SG to be an all in one machine, based off of of his 1984 book. They are the same thing you just need to add the low drag generator section to complete the machine.
I would like to transfer all I posted on your thread over to a dedicated thread, I asked admin if they could do it but I did not receive a response yet.
In closing please note: This is a gift I am sharing, it was shared with me in part and now I am giving it freely to anyone who wants it. All anyone has to do is implement it and see for themselves.
Dave Wing
Quote from: Kator01 on September 03, 2023, 07:14:48 PM
Partzman,
when I saw your tangential setup I remembered a member "winsonali" back then in 2010 with his proposal here
https://overunity.com/7987/new-invention-of-motion-less-generation-of-electric-power/585/ (https://overunity.com/7987/new-invention-of-motion-less-generation-of-electric-power/585/)
In his Reply 586 ( first picture ) he explained how to extract energy without cogging
His proposal used speaker-magnet like cores...see further down this page
Mike
Hi Mike, thanks for sharing that thread. Did you ever pursue this?
This is another short from Energy From The Vacuum 6 where John draws out his asymmetrical waveform for a separate generator and then jumps right into the description of the motor waveform, which is the typical SG waveform we are all familiar with.
https://youtube.com/shorts/wLVLHQhMMgo?si=18K_sYdGCSavs4Hs (https://youtube.com/shorts/wLVLHQhMMgo?si=18K_sYdGCSavs4Hs)
Here is the completed generator waveform...spin the rotor clockwise and get a more positive peak, spin the motor counter clockwise and get a more negative peak. This is the 1984 generator in John's Book dc motor running in the SG circuit or an PWM (disconnect the fly back diode for recovery) and a separate generator section using the magnets on their sides with only half wave rectification and a flywheel.
It can't be any more simple that this!
As I posted earlier in this thread here is the asymmetrical waveform (magnet on its side) vs two North Pole waveforms on a 16" rotor consisting of 3 magnets (two north pole magnets and one on it's side) 120 degrees apart. I will also add that the scope is hooked up across the coil. The magnet on its side produces the middle waveform.
The area of positive and negative half-waves still remains the same, right? And area is electrical power. I've done this before too, and I was surprised.
Quote from: kolbacict on September 09, 2023, 04:07:20 AM
The area of positive and negative half-waves still remains the same, right? And area is electrical power. I've done this before too, and I was surprised.
The area might be the same but the magnitude is far greater. Yes it was very surprising to me and it is completely backwards to the way we normally run our power and generation equipment.
Here are two images, the bottom waveform is from an 8 pole rotor it has 8 magnets (generic 1-7/8 x 1 x 1/2 ceramic magnets) all of them are placed on their sides however one of them is reversed in direction to produce a positive waveform. The magnet spacing on the rotor is about 2" apart and the coil is the same 10 lbs coil with an iron core. The scope is hooked up across the coil to measure the waveform and the wheel is spun by hand. You will also notice the waveform is clipped, as it is charging the primary battery.
Notice in the bottom image, with the reversed magnet and looking specifically before and after the positive peak there is induced voltage cancellation at the zero crossing, there is no more negative value when we only have a positive peak on this magnet and no reversal until the next magnet comes around which is separated by a 2" air gap on the rotor.
The top image is displaying alternating magnets placed once again on their sides with a magnet spacing on the rotor of about 2" apart. Again there is full cancellation at the zero crossing and no negative values before or after the positive peaks. The same goes for the negative peaked waveform it again has full cancellation of any positive values.
Looking at the Bedini SG circuit and comparing what we see with the north pole (as shown above) we can now see we have isolated and removed 1/2 of the waveform and placed it 2" away on the rotor which is the next magnet that passes the core.
Now you can see we can engineer what we want, perhaps you want 2 positive pulses to one negative or maybe the other way around maybe you want 20 negative pulses to one positive. What ever you want it can be done.
I found the most efficient way to run my pulse motor is between the gaps or spacing of the magnets, at the zero crossing just before the peak of the waveform.
Is the top image a monopole? John Bedini called his machine the monopole motor is this why? I remember John saying there were certain things they would not allow to be put in the patent what were those things? He never elaborated further.
Those that were in the Bedini groups and or forums can remember it was said the machine had to be broken down into three parts so it could be patented. Maybe someone remember's this?
One of the three parts may even include John's audio clarifier. It kind of resembles partzman's coil he has shown a few pages back. Anyways here is the monopole patent.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6545444B2/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US6545444B2/en)
The first image is taken from the second image, which is made from magnets that are placed on their sides in a n/s, s/n, n/s, s/n alternating arrangement, one magnet placed upon its side produces a negative waveform as the rotor magnet passes the core, then there is a 2" gap (2" magnet spacing)in the rotor before the next magnet arrives. The next magnet on the rotor is again on its side and produces a positive waveform, because the magnet is turned around 180* from the first one I just described, so it produces a positive waveform. The next magnet is again 2" away from the next one. The rotor produces a true monopole AC waveform, both positive and negative generated waveforms are from their own independent magnets spaced around the rotor. You have just separated the magnet into two monopole halves.
I believe this is the arrangement John Bedini had on his 10 coiler when he was charging his 2000AH batteries. You will see it produces a super pole, n/s, s/n, n/s, s/n alternating AC arrangement.
Dave Wing
I believe this is the arrangement John Bedini had on his 10 coiler when he was charging his 2000AH batteries. You will see it produces a super pole, n/s, s/n, n/s, s/n alternating AC arrangement.
Dave Wing
Toby Grotz has a nice video that demonstrates the generator back torque problem... https://youtu.be/uQnLp86E_hE?si=7MThDbXFa_u2cGbx (https://youtu.be/uQnLp86E_hE?si=7MThDbXFa_u2cGbx) The images below were from his presentation.
I have demonstrated and described in the previous posts how to reduce and or severely limit the generator back torque by placing the magnets on their sides.
Dave Wing
In Toby's demonstration, 1st image, it produces no back torque because there are two opposing magnetic loops on the conductor. I believe a magnet on its side, with a conventional wound iron cored inductor produces nearly the same interaction as the conductor used in Toby's video screen shot in the first image below. I have circled the opposite and or opposing magnetic field loops in Toby's demonstration (that cancel back tourque) and also in John Bedini's images.
The point is two opposite stress fields are needed to cancel or limit back tourque.
The bottom image of John's show the 4 corner spins (clover leaf) associated with a magnet and when to switch it in a motor.
Dave Wing
Quote from Thomas Bearden's Book Energy From The Vacuum 2002 edition p.318
I believe a monopole is a magnetic scalar stress potential as described and shown above in my posts. Again it cancels back torque because of the interaction upon the conductor between the two opposite stress fields circled in red on the above images.
A question was asked to Chat GTP and I posted the screen shot.
Dave Wing
What was Gabriel Kron up to? When we read only the highlighted words from the quotes from the two screen shots of John Bedini's website pages it becomes clear what we must do, regarding blocking the current. John's Bedini lays it out.
"But what was Gabriel Kron up too that he was very cautious about? The electrical circuits as we know them are flawed, meaning they burn up the dipole. The dipole killer is the electron current in the circuit... the term free electricity only applies to those that... have figured a way to block it from completing its path through the circuit."
The third image is from John's old website as well.
The bottom image will block the current from completing the path back to the ground. Just like Carlos Benitez, Ronald Brant and apparently Kron. John also based the Tesla switch on the work of Ronald Brant and perhaps Benitez. The load will run between the positives, if they are all 12 volt batteries the load will run on a differential of 12 volts and charge the low side battery with the high side batteries.
Current is a fluid like water, it has many of the same properties, however it can be regauged freely and sent back to the primary battery to be re-used minus circuit losses. To do this use a boost converter and send the energy back to the high side batteries, from the low side battery and use a third winding to send the coil collapse across the high side batteries. Using this principle the recovery rate back to the primary battery (the high side) is highest I have seen to date for the SSG. Next start with adding a low drag generator coil or set of coils to make up the losses.
In recent times, Turion, Matt, Peter Lindemann, some others, including myself have used the 3 battery principle. However I don't believe I have seen many openly use or talk about and or show the monopole magnet arrangement aside from John Bedini and a few others. To me it is clear this is the path forward, investigation needs to start with these principles.
Take note that the image in the middle of John's webpage screen shot is a magnet, showing the 4 fields of the clover leaf. Conventionally they say there are only two magnetic fields, a north and a South Pole.
Dave Wing
Think about a pendulum. We lift once, then the momentum switches
directions many times. Potential to Kinetic to potential to kinetic
Potential in the capacitance
Kinetic in the coil
(yes, coils have capacitance too which helps the directional interchange)
Child on a swing, or more aptly a child on a whirly go round
giving it small pushes on just one of the bars every so often
Two fidget spinners side by side, one tapping the other 180 degrees apart
in opposite directions, forming a rotating chaos pendulum. Momentum exchanging sides
Newtons Cradle
they all have this same aspect in common
Quote from: sm0ky2 on September 26, 2023, 05:37:35 PM
Think about a pendulum. We lift once, then the momentum switches
directions many times.
Child on a swing, or more aptly a child on a whirly go round
giving it small pushes on just one of the bars every so often
Yes we pay for the initial lift of the pendulum then get some freebie oscillations in return from gravity.
As for the merry go around you could give it large hammer blows and cascade the system by running a second system, effectively using your recovery, if it is high enough in return.
Dave Wing
When the SSG machine is running the negative waveform will charge the primary battery, the positive waveform will charge the secondary battery, keep in mind you also get the inductive collapse plus you can recover the current that has passed through the motor windings and step it up with a boost converter thus sending it back to the primary battery for increased efficiency. Of course there is losses, but you can use low drag generator coils to make up the short fall as John Bedini's free energy generator booklet of 1984 partially laid out.
Plus you can also change the Bloch wall, it can be narrowed or widened to suit your engineering needs, if you want more generation widen the Bloch wall in your motor / generator.
Dave Wing
This image of a magnet is from the work of Howard Johnson, it shows the magnetic spins of a magnet.
Dave Wing
https://archive.org/details/howard-johnson-the-secret-world-of-magnets-spintronics-2006/mode/1up
So, for those interested, the referenced page 29 for method of field measurement can be found in the link above. It is just fantasy. Nowhere is it explained how the field is measured inside the magnet. It is just the imagination of the author.
This work, and previously cited work from John Bedini in this thread, are just respective authors' theories and not supported by evidence and certainly not proven.
My opinions.
bi
Quote from: bistander on September 28, 2023, 12:29:13 PM
....
This work, and previously cited work from John Bedini in this thread, are just respective authors' theories and not supported by evidence and certainly not proven.
My opinions.
bi
Unfortunately, those authors theories remained theories. For me, the zero force motor, for instance, was a disappointment in the moment Peter Lindemann wrote this:
"In this machine, Lenz's Law is FULLY OPERATIONAL, as is Ohm's Law, Kirchhoff's Law, Faraday's Law of Induction, and Newton's Third Law of Motion."
Quoted from this post: https://www.energyscienceforum.com/forum/alternative-energy/john-bedini/1861-zero-force-motor-replication-project?p=35986#post35986 (https://www.energyscienceforum.com/forum/alternative-energy/john-bedini/1861-zero-force-motor-replication-project?p=35986#post35986)
Here is one of the efficieny tests done by Yaro on his zero force motor build, (he made two presentations on Aaron's Energy Science and Technology Conference in 2017 and in 2018):
https://www.energyscienceforum.com/forum/alternative-energy/john-bedini/2121-zfm-advanced-explorations/page5#post43873 (https://www.energyscienceforum.com/forum/alternative-energy/john-bedini/2121-zfm-advanced-explorations/page5#post43873)
Gyula
Quote from: bistander on September 28, 2023, 12:29:13 PM
https://archive.org/details/howard-johnson-the-secret-world-of-magnets-spintronics-2006/mode/1up
So, for those interested, the referenced page 29 for method of field measurement can be found in the link above. It is just fantasy. Nowhere is it explained how the field is measured inside the magnet. It is just the imagination of the author.
This work, and previously cited work from John Bedini in this thread, are just respective authors' theories and not supported by evidence and certainly not proven.
My opinions.
bi
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and or views I will make a video of my experiments and perhaps we can come to a unified understanding. I am working the next few days so I can't do much at this point in time.
Dave Wing
Quote from: gyulasun on September 28, 2023, 04:06:15 PM
Unfortunately, those authors theories remained theories. For me, the zero force motor, for instance, was a disappointment in the moment Peter Lindemann wrote this:
"In this machine, Lenz's Law is FULLY OPERATIONAL, as is Ohm's Law, Kirchhoff's Law, Faraday's Law of Induction, and Newton's Third Law of Motion."
Quoted from this post: https://www.energyscienceforum.com/forum/alternative-energy/john-bedini/1861-zero-force-motor-replication-project?p=35986#post35986 (https://www.energyscienceforum.com/forum/alternative-energy/john-bedini/1861-zero-force-motor-replication-project?p=35986#post35986)
Here is one of the efficieny tests done by Yaro on his zero force motor build, (he made two presentations on Aaron's Energy Science and Technology Conference in 2017 and in 2018):
https://www.energyscienceforum.com/forum/alternative-energy/john-bedini/2121-zfm-advanced-explorations/page5#post43873 (https://www.energyscienceforum.com/forum/alternative-energy/john-bedini/2121-zfm-advanced-explorations/page5#post43873)
Gyula
Gyula I can see how that comment, by Peter would take the wind out of your sails. I must apologize as maybe I have not been to clear Lenz's law cannot be done away with in DC permanent magnet motors, it is common place to see the CEMF reducing the current when a DC PM motor is running at its no load speed. When we load the shaft, at no load speed, the motor will produce less CEMF allowing for more current to be drawn under load. This is because the motor physically does not generate as much when you slow it down, so you have less CEMF countering your applied voltage. This is Lenz's law.
Are we in agreement with this so far or am I mistaken?
Dave Wing
Hi David,
Yes, I agree with what you wrote on CEMF behaviour in DC PM motors, pulse motors, where normal induction happens invariably in the coils caused by the rotating PMs and the induced voltage opposes the input emf.
Another manifestation of Lenz law is when you connect a voltage source across a coil and current is delayed 90 degree wrt the voltage by the self inductance of the coil. Or a loaded coil is induced by a changing magnetic field and the induced current's fields works against the inducing field.
I mentioned the zero force motor because it had been kept in secrecy for long, no details were given and was said to be a no Lenz, no back emf motor by JB, very likely due to the not correct theory associated with it.
Gyula
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 28, 2023, 09:09:54 AM
This image of a magnet is from the work of Howard Johnson, it shows the magnetic spins of a magnet.
Dave Wing
FWIW-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2JFDpTE_ls
Pm
Quote from: gyulasun on September 29, 2023, 08:53:17 AM
Hi David,
Yes, I agree with what you wrote on CEMF behaviour in DC PM motors, pulse motors, where normal induction happens invariably in the coils caused by the rotating PMs and the induced voltage opposes the input emf.
Another manifestation of Lenz law is when you connect a voltage source across a coil and current is delayed 90 degree wrt the voltage by the self inductance of the coil. Or a loaded coil is induced by a changing magnetic field and the induced current's fields works against the inducing field.
I mentioned the zero force motor because it had been kept in secrecy for long, no details were given and was said to be a no Lenz, no back emf motor by JB, very likely due to the not correct theory associated with it.
Gyula
Here is a scope shot of my pulse motor. This measurement was taken back in March of this year using a Hantek AC/DC Current Clamp CC 65
Dave Wing
Quote from: partzman on September 29, 2023, 10:28:32 AM
FWIW-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2JFDpTE_ls
Pm
Interesting video... thanks for sharing.
Quote from: partzman on September 29, 2023, 10:28:32 AM
FWIW-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2JFDpTE_ls
Pm hub
Thanks Pm,
The experiment reinforces the classic view of the magnetic field, doesn't it?
Image below from https://www.science-sparks.com/what-is-a-magnet/
bi
Quote from: Dave Wing on September 29, 2023, 01:02:23 PM
Here is a scope shot of my pulse motor. This measurement was taken back in March of this year using a Hantek AC/DC Current Clamp CC 65
Dave Wing
Sorry Dave, I cannot comment scopeshots meaningfully when the circuit itself and the measuring points for the probes are not known for me. Of course I do not mean you "should" disclose your achievements.
I appreciate your work but I did not follow your earlier activity, did not analyze your videos you recently made public here.
Thanks
Gyula
The two North Pole of the magnet is sweeping past the inductor and as normal, the way everyone uses them conventionally. The magnet in the middle, that is on its side sweeps across the inductor and produces the waveform in the middle of the image. The 22" wheel with the three magnets was rotated to get the scope shot, approx 80 rpm. The scope is hooked up across the inductor and each of the three magnets passing is captured on the one scope shot.
The magnets were just placed on the wheel for experimentation to compare the North Pole waveform and the side magnet waveform.
Dave Wing
Quote from: gyulasun on September 29, 2023, 04:13:12 PM
Sorry Dave, I cannot comment scopeshots meaningfully when the circuit itself and the measuring points for the probes are not known for me. Of course I do not mean you "should" disclose your achievements.
I appreciate your work but I did not follow your earlier activity, did not analyze your videos you recently made public here.
Thanks
Gyula
The circuit I am using is the most basic of circuits you could possibly use, nothing special or energy efficient, it is the SG circuit with an 50 ohm wire wound trigger inductor. All my videos use the same circuit.
My scope is hooked up with the positive on the collector of the transistor and the negative of the probe hooked up to the battery positive.
The scope shot below used this circuit and the rotor was spun counter clockwise to produce a more negative waveform.
Dave Wing
Okay Dave, thanks for all the additional comments.
You wrote this circuit is "nothing special or energy efficient" and perhaps its advantage would be to extend the life time of rechargable batteries till they used up and would also perform some mechanical work like putting fins onto the shaft to have a blower, etc.
I do not like the term "radiant energy charging" coined by JB, for me this circuit utilizes the energy of the collapsing magnetic field of the coil for recharging a 2nd battery.
I respect your work and please continue with these and with other circuits and have fun.
Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on September 29, 2023, 06:43:26 PM
Okay Dave, thanks for all the additional comments.
You wrote this circuit is "nothing special or energy efficient" and perhaps its advantage would be to extend the life time of rechargable batteries till they used up and would also perform some mechanical work like putting fins onto the shaft to have a blower, etc.
I do not like the term "radiant energy charging" coined by JB, for me this circuit utilizes the energy of the collapsing magnetic field of the coil for recharging a 2nd battery.
I respect your work and please continue with these and with other circuits and have fun.
Gyula
Gyula, I just meant the transistor is not the most efficient way to switch that there may be better ways to do switching more efficiently.
Thanks for your comments, I appreciate the interaction.
Dave Wing