Hi All,
I am exploring ways to create a hydrogen explosion with water and without using HHO cells that is not efficient.
Can it be the key to run engines and create a safe hydrogen explosion in a IC engine?
This series will answer the great old question, can a engine use water as a fuel?
What you are about to see, is stuff I explored 15 years ago, but now have a better understand how it could create hydrogen explosion and steam to be use as a fuel.
This experiment is very dangerous, be very careful dealing with high voltages.
Uploading a video now.
Tom
Hi All,
This is the first amazing water experiment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7lm0giTDs
Tom
there are videos of HV cap discharge into water and other objects. The HV guys do this stuff. coin shrinking too.
the sudden temp rise would have to be enough to expand water. If the water vessel was closed it would have to pop. If it was a piston it would have to force it.
Hi Massive,
I agree, another reason to inject 200deg water into the spark gap to increase steam reaction and maybe even hydrogen explosion.
This would be a basic design using two spark plugs and 200deg water injector.
Tom
Hi All,
This is my first build to see if water can take to phase change to super heated steam and hydrogen explosion using simple basic design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5zwPlVU3V0
Tom
Hi All,
A simple test to create super heated steam, it seems to be a start using high energy pulse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1xpQuJtXTM
Tom
HI TOM THIS MIGHT INTEREST YOU GREATLY. IT SHOULD BE EASY TO REPLICATE.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=malcolm+bendall+plasmoid+generator#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:0d609875,vid:sVgY9pcYAL8,st:0
ACTUAL PRINCIPLE OF THE WATER PLASMOID GENERATOR EXPLAINED.
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5cc5e9c2dca8019de9074c56/6393fdf6c7a3f28f55747805_THUNDERSTORM%2BGENERATOR_ATOMIC%2BENERGY%2BFROM%2BWATER%2BPLASMOID%2BPROTIUM%2BPOWER.pdf
Quote from: seychelles on September 25, 2023, 05:09:33 AM
ACTUAL PRINCIPLE OF THE WATER PLASMOID GENERATOR EXPLAINED.
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5cc5e9c2dca8019de9074c56/6393fdf6c7a3f28f55747805_THUNDERSTORM%2BGENERATOR_ATOMIC%2BENERGY%2BFROM%2BWATER%2BPLASMOID%2BPROTIUM%2BPOWER.pdf
Thanks.
seychelles,
Thanks for the extra information, I will look into these claims, 50% fuel saving sounds good.
My main goal is to replace fossil fuel with water. HHO is a big problem due to the fast burn rate. The only way HHO would work is to separate the H2 from the oxygen. But the energy needed to do this could be used to super heat water into steam instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEC9l_o6W00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvI1Hv7DD98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX6cQ1ian14
Thanks again.
Tom
Quote from: seychelles on September 25, 2023, 05:02:05 AM
HI TOM THIS MIGHT INTEREST YOU GREATLY. IT SHOULD BE EASY TO REPLICATE.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=malcolm+bendall+plasmoid+generator#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:0d609875,vid:sVgY9pcYAL8,st:0
Looked at the Bendall PDF and it looks like a GEET setup with an external ionizer.
GEET link, http://www.rexresearch.com/pantone/pantone.htm
The language about plasma/plasmoid reformation is almost identical. The GEET link has a wealth of information directly related to what Tom is working on.
In effect, they take the water spark plug circuit Tom just demonstrated and make a bigger spark plug as a rod within a tube. The larger surface area of the rod/tube expands the plasma reaction surface area.
AC
Hi All,
This is the patent in 1991 that is the key to run any engine off water.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5159900A/en
Tom
Great work Tommey,
Soon you will find out, that this is a very good solution for static setups or transport on water, as it is quite impractical for a mobile (land vehicle) where you need well above 200 l for 30-40 miles journey unless you can make something to use same amount of water as the original fuel design because of total weight of water you need to carry, not to mention freezing in the winter.
Overall it is a good thing as long as will push out oil industry from transport and other purposes which pollute the environment.
Hi All,
This is a update on this water fuel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NfHCCOr2Q8
Tom
Hi All,
Update on this build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2qzOkhsTG0
Tom
Hi All,
More update on this small version plasma reactor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIVZnK1H5e4
Tom
Hi All,
We have hydrogen and carbon monoxide flammable gas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI9lJxpglK4
I'm verifying power input, you will be shocked how little power it's taking.
Tom
Fred Niell did HV capacitor discharge into water, using heavy duty equipment.
e.g. 500pf, 30kv.
Charge = Q=C.V = 15uCoulomb
stored energy = .5 x C.V^2 = .225 joule
power dissipated = W = j/t = 225kw @ 1u sec
Hi All,
Update on the test run the engine with propane and getting ready for the big day where water is converted into a fuel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvGfwQiwJCI
Tom
Tom
Sorry to interrupt , you should consider a way to shield yourself from the emissions ( especially eyes)
This is basically a star in a jar plasma experiment ( with you possibly adding catalysts too)
At ICCF LENR conference last month in Poland, a Portuguese company claims a cold fusion breakthrough
And some are agreeing.. it's very promising ?
Dr.Jones had mentioned it appears they are doing a Star in a jar type experiments
(With a catalyst ?)Nickel ?actually they are not saying what the catalyst is .
Heard they had some high COP's but had "emissions" concerns ( readings ?at the higher COP's
I will ask what kind of shielding is appropriate ( sometimes it's as simple as distancing
However
I Remember more than a few times Tinman had been experimenting with star in the jar
In his tin shed ( doing video)
And as soon as he fired it up , few seconds later it started to rain ( poor rain onto his sheds tin roof
and he had to stop filming do to the noise
I believe I was on a call with him once ( maybe more than once?) when it also happened
So it is putting out something at a distance?
Or ?
I can ask Dr.Jones for opinion ,since these experiments are obviously going to continue ( maybe also star in a jar heat experiments too ?
Woopy also played with this and felt he had more out than in years ago.
Thanks for all you do for open source community !
Amazing efforts!
EDIT
For comment below
https://eng8.energy/ (https://eng8.energy/) ( At conference had "notes" section)
PS
This is build topic
Not really looking to sidetrack here with pages of information
Will be a topic started on alleged breakthrough cold fusion claim
Good morning,
ICCF-LENR conference partizipation :
' ... a portuguese company ...' ?
https://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2023/ICCF25/ICCF-25-Book-of-Abstracts-2023.07.04.pdf (https://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2023/ICCF25/ICCF-25-Book-of-Abstracts-2023.07.04.pdf)
Nothing to read about !
Meaning them :
https://eng8.energy/about/ (https://eng8.energy/about/)
ENG8 International Limited,
No.2 Irish Town,
Gibraltar
Their shown plasma-cell remembers
https://www.google.com/search?q=Kanarev+Pulse+Plasma+Cell&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=Kanarev+Pulse+Plasma+Cell&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
About water ( hydrogen/oxygene) as fuel part :
https://www.datadiwan.de/netzwerk/index.htm?/moch/moch_2b.htm (https://www.datadiwan.de/netzwerk/index.htm?/moch/moch_2b.htm)
Verfahren zur Verbesserung des Verbrennungsprozesses in einer Brennkraftmaschine durch Beimischung von Wasser zum Kraftstoff und Vorrichtung zur Durchführung des Verfahrens
Erfinder: Takeshige Sugimoto, Japan
Offenlegungsschrift 26 32 190
Anmeldetag: 16.07.1976
Zitat Seite 16, 17:
Bei dem Testfahrzeug handelt es sich um ein 67er Modell des Typs Nissan Sunny mit einer 1400 ccm-Maschine .... Die Testergebnisse ergaben, daß hierbei für eine Distanz von 32 km 1 Liter Benzin verbraucht wurde.(# dies entspricht 3,125 l/100km)"
Wasser-Kraftstoff
bild der wissenschaft, 5-1976, Aktuelle Wissenschaft, Seite 3
Zitat:
Der 38jährige japanische Geschäftsmann Takeshige Sugimoto aus Tosayama, Tosagun, in der Präfektur Kochi stellte der Presse einen von ihm erfundenen Kraftstoff vor - und begab sich damit auf große Fahrt. Im Tank: Ein Gemisch zu gleichen Teilen aus konventionellem Benzin und ganz gewöhnlichem Wasser .... Trotz Höchstgeschwindigkeit von mehr als 100 km/h werden nur 50% des herkömmlichen Benzins verbraucht - bei äußerst geringer Umweltbelastung durch Kohlenmonoxid und andere Gifte."
above : water-gasoline mixture , by apply 50% fuel savings claim
l'Universite de Tasmanie :
Diesel-fuel( gasoil) with hydrogen mixture
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energieencore/carnet15.htm (http://quanthomme.free.fr/energieencore/carnet15.htm)
We know,by free inventors and estatal/universitary experimental studies that it is possible,but to which costs/Km conversion ?
Engine average lifetime / water-fuel converted engine lifetime ? ( friction/metal surface erosion )
End 90' : industrial market entering with water-fuel like
https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2000-01-1861/ (https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2000-01-1861/)
10 years back here in the forum discussion theme :
https://land-der-ideen.de/projekt/egm-wirbelwandler-technologie-2390
wmbr
OCWL
so this is no longer HV capacitor discharge
Hi massive,
The microwave transformer with the caps was creating a shock wave and the discharge was lighting fast, causing the water to explode. The question is was it hydrogen exploding, I don't know at this time. Even with the steel container, water shot upward.
I have a few ideas to cancel out the shock wave and maybe get a better reading on the output.
The welder use about 85v dc and the load would depend on how far apart the carbon rods are.
The welder seems to be more efficient at the time. The microwave transformer used about 1400watts and the welder only 1000 watts.
If you have anything to share or any new ideas, I will add it to these experiments.
The main part at this time is to get a small engine running and test input vs output of power.
If I can keep it down to 1kw-1.5kw of input power, then the generator might produce extra power and could charge the battery at the same time.
Tom
Tom
QuoteThe microwave transformer with the caps was creating a shock wave and the discharge was lighting fast, causing the water to explode. The question is was it hydrogen exploding, I don't know at this time. Even with the steel container, water shot upward.
I did quite a few experiments on the water spark plug circuit and HV/plasma discharges which may explain this.
DC current, slow impulses or low frequency AC produce heating effects in conductors including water. I often used a 5 gal pail of water as a resistor or dummy load. However as the "rate of change" increases, (how fast a large current increases), the energy transitions from simple heating effects to phase/physical changes.
In effect, heat is just the jiggling of atoms but if the energy input is large and fast enough the jiggling becomes so intense it appears as a physical expansion ie. explosion. It could physically move the water molecules or they could change phase into steam or HHO. In either case the whole effect is based on the energy input acting on a medium faster than it can dissipate the energy away. The energy is forced to build up in a small area very fast which causes the medium which carries the energy to start breaking up ie. exploding water or wires.
If you place a small 30 ga wire across the terminals in place of the water it can also explode. I used to blow up water, water drops, small wires, small capacitors, small light bulbs which went off like a firecracker. The only requirement is that a large amount of energy be released into a small space in a very short time period.
AC
Hi All,
Update on making a bigger plasma reactor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84pBXak2khc
Tom
Quote from: TommeyReed on October 01, 2023, 09:40:00 PM
Hi All,
Update on making a bigger plasma reactor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84pBXak2khc
Tom
Tom,
I do not like your vacuum idea! You are begging for O2 entry thru any small leaks, or catastrophic container/gasket failure.
I'd rather you consider a sealed system and purge the system with inert gas (nitrogen, etc) prior to reactor startup. I'd put a low pressure regulator at the reactor output (a few PSI at most) and a lower pressure regulator at the point of use. This ensures there is always a small positive pressure inside the reactor and the fuel carrying lines at all times, preventing any ingress of atmospheric O2. Please be careful, as you inferred in the video, bad things could happen. It was always ill advised to pressurize HHO gas to any degree, not sure what the story is regarding a mix of H2 and CO.
Your carbon rods will decay relative to the rate of CO production.
Several decades ago, Renault had a patent on a hydrogen generator that did actually operate a small vehicle. They used a spool of aluminum wire fed thru what was basically a MIG gun tip. The AL wire contacted a rotating corrosion resistant metal drum. Everything was submerged in a tank of water and current passed between the AL wire and the rotating drum. The arc produced pure H2 and AlO2. A wiper kept the drum clean and high water flow and filtration was used to keep the ALO2 from fouling up the works. The aluminum is consumed/converted and recoverable/recyclable as ALO2, which does have some value (particularly if kept pure throughout the process).
The use of carbons as you are doing provides more fuel as you produce both H2 and CO. However, I am concerned regarding the safety of long term storage, or even continuous operation, with these gasses combined/mixed as they are. Decomposition of the CO in the tank or fuel stream could be dangerous. I would want to make sure any materials used (tank, fuel lines, requlators, valves, etc) do not react with or be somewhat of a catalyst toward decomposing the CO. Hydrogen embrittlement can also be an issue with H2. I do not know which materials (metals or diaphragms and seals) would perform best (and safely) with these fuel gasses.
When combusted, the CO will produce CO2 at the exhaust, so not as green as pure H2. The cost of your carbon, water, and electricity use will determine your "fuel" costs.
Scary stuff...
PW
Added: Make sure your working with good ventilation and keep a CO detector close by. Don't be inhaling the stuff. Your fuel stream will be highly toxic. Even a few good whiffs at your fuel's CO concentration could inert quite a few red blood cells!
Hi Picowatt,
Thank you for your insights.
I also agree vacuum is very tricky in this set up, I would need a much better containment before doing a vacuum. I did read about keeping it under a low pressure.
What is your opinion mixing HHO together with carbon monoxide and hydrogen feeding in a engine from the intake?
My basic understanding is instead of H2 + O (HHO), would it not be H3 + O and cause the burn rate to slow down to run in a engine?
Tom
Tom
Sergh had shared this recently,(I see Massive had also shared some measurements on
Capacitor discharge above ..post 17 ? I believe? 225kw @ 1microsecond on a 30KV pico cap ?
Sergh
Quote
DIY Project: Using a discharge in water to propel a rocket:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SKce1OneE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SKce1OneE) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SKce1OneE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SKce1OneE))
Another videos the same autor:
https://www.youtube.com/@The141335/videos (https://www.youtube.com/@The141335/videos) (https://www.youtube.com/@The141335/videos (https://www.youtube.com/@The141335/videos))
The peculiarity is that the discharge gap in the water is initially short-circuited with a thin wire or foil. This is done because it is difficult to achieve breakdown in water at a relatively low voltage. Even at a voltage of 10 kilovolts, breakdown occurs at a distance of less than a millimeter. Dr Jaynes also talks about this problem in the video at Wesley's links. Kolbacict wrote here that he also encountered this problem. This is extremely inconvenient if you have relatively low-voltage capacitors at your disposal. Therefore, a jumper made of a thin conductor is used, which burns out and initiates an arc.
There was such a topic "explosion of thin wires in water (https://www.google.com/search?q=explosion+of+thin+wires+in+water (https://www.google.com/search?q=explosion+of+thin+wires+in+water))
", they also wrote that there was an anomalous release of energy.
End quote
High voltage discharge
Definitely worth further investigation
Respectfully
Chet
Edit for Norman comment below
Repost:
http://bingofuel.online.fr/bingofuel/html/bfr10.htm (http://bingofuel.online.fr/bingofuel/html/bfr10.htm)
Yes was posted in another water fuel topic very recently ( Russwr?)
Tommy has been doing experiments on this recently.
If you have any links on trucker ( not HHO enhancer kits) running on bingo fuel or other water
Derivatives?
Please share .
Naudin ran his welder making Bingo Gas with the carbon arc made gas looped back into the ICE about 15 or more years ago.....
Naudin went quiet and I thought folks would pick up on that....
I met a trucker who added an extra alternator and added the hydrogen and oxygen
back into the engine giving better mileage and also less tear down time which is real money to a trucker.
Norman
These formulas do NOT contain (R) Resistance
Capacitance x volts = Coulomb charge
.5 x capacitance x volts squared = stored energy in Joules
Joules / time = Watts
This is just an example of Fred Niell. The formulas are worth thinking about. The end result is Watts and it is NOT electrolysis.
Google each formula, there is only 3, they are tied to each other by a component. Capacitance, Volts and Joule.
e.g. 500pf, 30kv.
Charge = Q=C.V = 15uCoulomb
stored energy = .5 x C.V^2 = .225 joule
power dissipated = W = j/t = 225kw @ 1u sec
The smaller the time of discharge, the more watts, much like a lightning strike. There is no RC time constant because there is no Resistor.
Most guys just refer to watts as volts x current input, as applied to electrolysis.
Hi All,
Update on this fun project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNjP4evdyM
Tom
Tom
Just found this from a few years back
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jU_4uCcKazc (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jU_4uCcKazc)
Above Gives basic university setup for testing.
Also,
I am uncertain who shared this link below ( maybe Lanca ?)
It is room temperature..however?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352492823003513 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352492823003513)
You just need some Nickel 🙃
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/index.htm
Hi All,
With the plasma arc being tricky to keep it running at a constant, I desided to go high tech.
This is a micro controller job to do the hard stuff.
How it works:
When starting the plasma arc reactor, the controller moves downward the carbon rod using a stepper motor. When the controller sense a amp load using a shunt, it starts to adjust the amps by moving the rods upward or downwards depending on what amp load is set too.
In other words,a self running plasma system until the carbon rod is evaporated.
With a few safety switches to shut down the plasma unit when the carbon rod is gone is a added plus.
Tom
Quote from: TommeyReed on October 06, 2023, 01:55:59 PM
Hi All,
With the plasma arc being tricky to keep it running at a constant, I desided to go high tech.
This is a micro controller job to do the hard stuff.
How it works:
When starting the plasma arc reactor, the controller moves downward the carbon rod using a stepper motor. When the controller sense a amp load using a shunt, it starts to adjust the amps by moving the rods upward or downwards depending on what amp load is set too.
In other words,a self running plasma system until the carbon rod is evaporated.
With a few safety switches to shut down the plasma unit when the carbon rod is gone is a added plus.
Tom
You created a PID loop, having the desirable current as a setpoint. Nice.
Hi All,
I did a update video to explain more add on to this plasma reactor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIUFSTF1Vx0
Tom
Hi All,
New update on this plasma control reactor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syPcitNo868
Tom
Hi All,
Update on programming this plasma reactor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMqjuARwVZM
Tom
Hi Tommey,
This is more or less the most important thing I have ever shared with folks about breaking the bonds of the water molecules on the forums and some even in person. In my studies on breaking the bonds of the water molecules I found a pattern and that pattern is any way that results in getting the electrons away from the atoms that make up the water molecules will work at breaking the bonds of the water molecules. This is how electrolysis works, it's how plants are able to break the bonds of the water molecules, and it's how thunderstorms are able to break the bonds of the water molecules. But there is more as radiation can also do this as was seen in 2011 in Fukushima Japan as the reactor lost containment and exposed the water to very high levels of radiation that was high enough to knock the electrons away from their atoms. This always results in the release of hydrogen and oxygen gases plus the creation of an electric charge.
In the case for Fukushima these electrons built up a charge in the isolated water bath until that charge had enough energy to overcome the air's resistance to current flow causing a spark in the presence of hydrogen and oxygen and the rest is history.
So, if you can keep this in mind your experiments might go in a truly positive direction as you have a goal now and that goal is to find a way to get those electrons away from their atoms. Even thunderstorms do this as again it's an isolated system where the water is between to large pockets of air both on top of the cloud and below it. Due to water's ability to self ionize a charge builds up and the cloud system begins to break the bonds of the water molecules by way of ionization. This creates even more electricity and eventually the charge build up is strong enough to overcome the airs resistance to current flow and lightning strikes occur.
This is all new thinking due to my studies over the many years I have been working on this technology in trying to get at the actual science behind the technology. Now it turns out to be a whole new era of scientific discovery just waiting to happen.
Best of luck in your endeavors,
Edward Mitchell