Invention by Malcolm Bendall, who is committed to open sourcing this technology.
Various retrofit replications done, ranging from mobile gensets to a 300-400 kW power station.
Malcolm has brought forth a lot of deep underlying theory, a lot of it above most of our heads or beyond our concepts of reality.
In this topic we'll focus on the part that's been put in practice and replicated by various parties (not me).
If you've ever been interested in the works of Nikola Tesla, Stanley Meyers, Wilhelm Reich, Paul Pantone, Marko Rodin and Tyushin Ohmasa, you're going to LOVE this. If you dream of running your genset or car on less fuel, THOR might enable you to achieve just that.
Invention on hands presents in the form of an auxiliary air intake train for an internal combustion engine running on fossil hydrocarbon fuel.
Claims: reduced consumption (less fuel for the rotational energy provided) and a "cleaner" exhaust gas headlining very low carbon (CO and CO2) but high oxygen (O2).
There are now multiple replications where a gasspectrometer reads very similar excaust gas composition across the independent replications.
The "system" is comprised of a number of components we have "seen" before in this context.
A pre-ionizer, a Plasmoid Creator bubbler, and a (GEET-like) Thunderstorm Reactor.
No overunity is claimed to my knowledge, but that doesn't mean it can't be a huge breakthrough in energy technologies.
You are presented here with a GARAGE LEVEL replicable technology, work is being undertaken to make it easy as possible to replicate for those who are serious about giving this a go.
These people are very passionate about LENR Low Energy Nuclear Reaction
Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project
They have numberous videos on the THOR. Malcolm says he spent a week with Fleischman and promised to further and complete his work.
https://www.youtube.com/@MFMP/videos (https://www.youtube.com/@MFMP/videos)
Their member Bob Greenyer's Disqus (mostly posts from E-Cat World) might be a nice place to shop for content
https://disqus.com/by/bobgreenyer/ (https://disqus.com/by/bobgreenyer/)
Bob's presentation in Zürich (real time German translation by moderator), with his comments what the technology relates to from earlier and ongoing works of others. Turns out this exhaust gas was seen before on the water fuel research of Osama.
Replication on stage was a one day build, but it works to specification, vastly low carbon and high oxygen emissions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBduSVEek-Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBduSVEek-Q)
This is a resource for later use, may contain good info for builders.
https://www.strikefoundation.earth/open-source-research (https://www.strikefoundation.earth/open-source-research)
This researcher has a lot of great recent content on the technology, theory and replications. He explains the technology and visits replicators. He will soon publish an easy as possible (including all parts numbers) replication manual.Alchemical Science @AlchemicalScience (https://overunity.com/cyril-smith-aka-smudge-builders-group/post/Alchemical%20Science%20@AlchemicalScience)
Quick synopsis (to the best of my present understanding, will update thanks to your corrections/explanantions)
The vacuum from the ICE pulls in ambient air. A low power (3 Watt or so) off-the-shelf UV light (run off alternator or mains) pre-ionizes the air before it's drawn through a water bubbler with filling to create "plasmoids". A GEET-like reactor comprised of concentric pipes (144 inches long or an octave thereof) and two or three concentric spheres (size ratio 2:3:4) have the LENR take place between plasmoids and ICE exhausted gas, through the metal (ideally tungsten?) of the reactor wals. The gasses pass at almost 90º angles through induced counter-spiralling.
Heat is extracted from the ICE exhaust gas to effect the nuclear reaction. After passing though the reaction, inlet gas is sent into the combusion chambers, as I understand alongside ambient air. I'm not sure they ever run it 100% on the THOR intake and fuel, but they may well be.
Carbon (6 protons) is "broken up" and when recombined grouped by 8 protons which is oxygen (hence the sphere diameter ratio?). I'd explain where all the neutrons and electrons go if I understood it better.
With this setup the baseline of good operation apears to be 20% reduced fuel consumption. Double the power for a given hydrocarbon fuel flow is also seen in cases. The exhaust gas is lower on carbon and higher on oxygen under higher loads. In one video I seemed to hear that the hydrocarbon fuel flow is at idling level which the ICE is operating at nominal power, 5 or 10x the expected output.
Ever heard of "star in a jar"? This is closely related to that work, and many others.
According to Bob Greenyer, electrons are clustering into toroids called plasmoids. These toroids links up to form larger toroids and THOSE link up to form larger toroids. A wheel in a wheel in a wheel. Very potent stuff. Ohmasa had an explosion in his lab which killed one of his colleagues. Needless to say (we're talking nuclear here and a good man died...), extreme care is needed when tinkering with his in ways you've not seen done before.
Malcolm's research is broader than this particular work and we may see other elements get the Lego treatment like they do here.
Most unique about THOR today is not that there are anomalous exhaust readings (some GEET builds had that), but that it's relatively easy to achieve these results. Much less finicky that the likes of GEET. More accessible than any "water fuel" I'm aware of. While that's not the focus here, who knows, it might lead there. It's unlikely that when these plasmoids are real, all they are good for is giving climate alarmists exactly what they want: less carbon, more oxygen.
It's all still under development, due to a media leak, the whole project got released a bit early. The inventor wants to do it right.
ADDED: two images I found online to further explain plasmoids, which you may know under different names already
EDITED: Simplified build schematic at the bottom. Details do matter a lot, don't start building off this one.
The wheel in a wheel in a wheel as the core of it all, according to Bob. Not unique to this invention as MFMP has been researching it from before Malcolm stepped forward.
The phenomon was observed, studied, named and applied by various inventors, as it manifested to them across a range of intensities and levels of stability.
For those who want an alternative to Netflix for the next few days:
https://www.youtube.com/live/QAO1HF9cZ4Y?si=lJeGhZibQs2tX0_E&t=93 (https://www.youtube.com/live/QAO1HF9cZ4Y?si=lJeGhZibQs2tX0_E&t=93)
Refers to the above linked presentation he gave in Switzerland.
You'll learn what questions are being asked, what investigations are done on working replications, and how exhaust gases are being analysed further and under greater scrutiny.
Goes into theoretical workings, possible improvements to materials of a build to produce more or larger clusters, enhance ability to split water.
Sort references to replications being facilitated by parts sharing by the inventor, etc, etc.
The part where hydrogen was observed in the exhaust was actually regarding a baseline measurement, pre-retrofit, which caused some confusion. All still developing. There is room for this forum to add to these works.
In the various comment sections (of course) people are eager to replace the starter fuel for just water, but there isn't necessarily a chemical path to allow that just now. From my little understanding, some energy is freed up by reacting carbon into oxygen and this is making the engine run more efficiently. Carbon atoms are being consumed and DESTROYED for the benefit of (fewer) oxygen atoms. I don't know the chemistry behind it, but dare predict there will be a net loss of mass from protons or neutrons being destroyed. That's at least what physics would expect within adopted models, correct?
(place holder post to post it back on top)
I'll add my present feeling that while the inventor has done amazing work in studying the universe, its constants, its laws and ancient geometries...in some cases with regards to this build I don't see the point. Builders will figure out what's real and what's not.
For the transition from sphere to pike, Malcolm specifies a certain angle which is derived from a certain pyramid in Egypt or the like. I can believe in the signicance of the latter, quite easily. But for that to also be of importance on the former for efficacy of the reactor...that might require some more mind opening on my part.
Since the beginning of time, inventors have broke boundaries while* fully misunderstanding what made their inventions work. While Malcolms deeper observations may well have inspire him to improve on the various works of above referenced legendary inventors, it doesn't mean he's much more correct on WHY it works so well. That may well, as always, be at the mercy of Time itself for judgment.
When someone manages to bring such a work to the spotlight, I'm definitely going to pay attention of their deeper ideas on reality. If he like a certain angle on a component, I can't wait to see a engineer's ideal version stacked up against the geometrically "correct" version, and see what sticks.
Is this related? https://www.news.com.au/national/tasmania/oil-dream-debt-claims/news-story/2daef81c21da153eafb8715ffc454793 (https://www.news.com.au/national/tasmania/oil-dream-debt-claims/news-story/2daef81c21da153eafb8715ffc454793)
Thanks for looking into this, Jim. Appears to be the same chap alright.
We see that sort of backstory with many people in this space, when their work really seems to do something.
And then there is a redemption arc, sadly often posthumously.
It appears we are looking that that redemption arc.
Malcolm has found some astounding things in the fabric of reality that deserve a closer look. To do with numbers and geometries. Powers of magnitude beyond academic stuff, but it may remain theory forever.
My own experience with digging out proverbial rabbitholes has eventually taught me something about confirmation bias. It's really hard to get over that, when you get confirmed every scoop of your shovel.
As I'm typing this, I suspect the crazy deep esoteric stuff he gets into will at one point be a key example to teach kids in school about the creation of what we call "reality" and how it's beautiful how the numbers sing a song in perfect harmony, even if it doesn't make technical sense at all. It's merely a fingerprint of the creator. Something like that. It doesn't make the work irrelevant, but as with almost all ground breaking research...it ends up meaning something different a century or so later. Example, Marie Curie dying of her own invention, because she actually didn't know what she was messing with.
One main question I had was regarding the need for the concetric spheres at the one end of the concentric reactor tubes.
I heard it referenced that Malcolm in his lectures had declared (I'm heavily paraphrasing here) the centrepoint of those spheres would be where the gasses interact with zero point in a no-time condition that allows for the elaborate transmutation observed at the other end. The third and smallest sphere (of the 2:3:4) I heard to be optional but it kind of makes sense to be there assuming the zeropoint aspect is real, which I don't necessarily believe. I'd love to see a replication where the spheres are omitted and we have the concentric opposing flow pipes with any necessary turning vanes or even full length spiral spacer, to learn how different the outcome really is.
Malcolm approaches all these devices from set geometries such as also emphasized by the likes of Nikola Tesla. Malmcolm takes it back to his understanding of specific pyramids, which to me takes it a bit far. If it works, OK, but I want to see whether other geometries with lower building costs perhaps work just as well. The clusters and particle may be very indifferent to what's macrogeometry to them.
Some people trip over the difference between what the GEET did, and the THOR on topic here.
To my understanding/memory, Pantone's GEET was bubbling the fuel pre-combustion. To me it seemed at the time it was just to get a gaseous fuel for consequent processing.
THOR is bubbling through water the pre-ionized air from inlet pre-combustion. Both run post-combustion gasses along the gas stream that's just to head to combustion. GEET also came with claims of transmutation, but there it was lighter elements. THOR turns carbon into oxygen, 6 to 8 protons.
I was advised by a GEET dealer that he suspected it was only a fuel vaporizer. So I took his advise and made a "pickle jar" vapor carburetor that vaporized the fuel into beautiful white fog that you could see inside the glass jar. But after starting it would stop because "all fuel and no play/air" makes a dull boy. So via a Tee fitting air was added and it ran quite well on a lawn mower with no pollution smell giving 30% more run time than the stock carburetor. However double the run time was achieved with Coleman fuel - the best part of the cracked oil that would evaporate and burn better. So this clearly told me we do not need catalytic converters if we do not burn liquid.
And further more back in the 70s when the cars were having trouble passing the dynamometer tailpipe test a 1936 Buick passed with no converter. BECAUSE it has a longer stroke which allowed it to burn that liquid.
That Buick story was told to me by the Baltimore County Motor Pool head - Lou Breidenbaugh who was clever enough to run a small engine with the spark plug wire removed. He rigged a wire through 2 head gaskets into the side of the spark plug....What a great "codger" I was privileged to know.
Norman
Quote from: Cloxxki on October 24, 2023, 05:42:46 PM
Thanks for looking into this, Jim. Appears to be the same chap alright.
We see that sort of backstory with many people in this space, when their work really seems to do something.
And then there is a redemption arc, sadly often posthumously.
It appears we are looking that that redemption arc.
Malcolm has found some astounding things in the fabric of reality that deserve a closer look. To do with numbers and geometries. Powers of magnitude beyond academic stuff, but it may remain theory forever.
My own experience with digging out proverbial rabbitholes has eventually taught me something about confirmation bias. It's really hard to get over that, when you get confirmed every scoop of your shovel.
As I'm typing this, I suspect the crazy deep esoteric stuff he gets into will at one point be a key example to teach kids in school about the creation of what we call "reality" and how it's beautiful how the numbers sing a song in perfect harmony, even if it doesn't make technical sense at all. It's merely a fingerprint of the creator. Something like that. It doesn't make the work irrelevant, but as with almost all ground breaking research...it ends up meaning something different a century or so later. Example, Marie Curie dying of her own invention, because she actually didn't know what she was messing with.
One main question I had was regarding the need for the concetric spheres at the one end of the concentric reactor tubes.
I heard it referenced that Malcolm in his lectures had declared (I'm heavily paraphrasing here) the centrepoint of those spheres would be where the gasses interact with zero point in a no-time condition that allows for the elaborate transmutation observed at the other end. The third and smallest sphere (of the 2:3:4) I heard to be optional but it kind of makes sense to be there assuming the zeropoint aspect is real, which I don't necessarily believe. I'd love to see a replication where the spheres are omitted and we have the concentric opposing flow pipes with any necessary turning vanes or even full length spiral spacer, to learn how different the outcome really is.
Malcolm approaches all these devices from set geometries such as also emphasized by the likes of Nikola Tesla. Malmcolm takes it back to his understanding of specific pyramids, which to me takes it a bit far. If it works, OK, but I want to see whether other geometries with lower building costs perhaps work just as well. The clusters and particle may be very indifferent to what's macrogeometry to them.
Some people trip over the difference between what the GEET did, and the THOR on topic here.
To my understanding/memory, Pantone's GEET was bubbling the fuel pre-combustion. To me it seemed at the time it was just to get a gaseous fuel for consequent processing.
THOR is bubbling through water the pre-ionized air from inlet pre-combustion. Both run post-combustion gasses along the gas stream that's just to head to combustion. GEET also came with claims of transmutation, but there it was lighter elements. THOR turns carbon into oxygen, 6 to 8 protons.
Picked up the tools too many times for claims without verification. I'll wait. Great Story & info Norman.
Jim,
Around the world, people have picked up tools and found the predicted exhaust gasses. Very low to zero carbon, high oxygen.
Hence the title of this topic.
(ADDED to OP: two diagrams on plasmoids in nature and the genator)
One video from Australia shows a researcher visiting a garage with replication. Puts his face to the exhaust and experiences fresh air. Proceeds to invest dozens of hours into research of the technology and recording it on his small YouTube channel.
If I had access to a replication hooked up to the gasspectrometer, at least 4 well placed thermometers and crank power meter, I'd want to:
1- While running, switch off the UV light in the pre-ionization chamber, but keep the air inlet path the same.
2- While running, have the UV light one, but the bubbler bypassed (smooth air path, obviously) into the reactor
3- Have the air inlet be the start of the reactor, to have zero ionization, only the passing of gasses in and out.
4- First running all but the UV light and then switching it on.
And run the engine a good while in those conditions.
This of course to get more clues of what's going on in each stage.
I'd also like more clarity of the composition and state of the gas on 3 points not yet shared: inlet side entering reactor, exiting reactor and exhaust from ICE before reactor.
I'm reasonably satisfied that something is going on, but there is still some guesswork or reliance on an inventor with REALLY far out ideas. The inventor is human, can be correct on one thing and incorrect (or at least ery incomplete) on the other, as have pretty much all scientists that were ever decorated with honours.
Some replicators report that there is a lingering effect of altered gas out readings, after the entire retrofit was decoupled. The explanation is that the plasmoids somehow linger. Perhaps attach themselves to the ample surface of piping.
Bob Greenyer dropped a camera into the reactor for initial visual analysis, found some discoloration/deposits. Some deposits che found could be interpreted as toroid shaped. More analysis needed there.
Especially to understand which material is most suited for this application. If we're really dealing with the "ball of lightning clusters" or whatever they're to be called, and these clusters can grow with a longer reactor...that's a real safety issue. A man died in Japan after all Not working on a replication, but their own ongoing (Ohmasa) research into similar or same phenomenon and anomalous gaseous product.
Bob says that if plasmoid get to react with the piping material, there are conceivable ways for exhaust to become exceedingly toxic, depending on the alloys used.
In one instance an inner reactor pipe had collapsed, with a vague mention of a hexagon shape. Inlet pipes collapsing...it's just a slight vacuum and ionized air on the inside and ICE exhaust from it on the outside!
Let's very aware: this technology is not to be toyed with. It's VERY dangerous when scaled without necessary precaution (don't be that dude) and ample discours with colleagues on any changes made. It's an open sourse project, little to gain working on this in secret and seeing for far you can push it with plasmoids.
If indeed we're dealing with plasmoids and a technology roughly as Malcolm explains it (it may be simpler than that, you know...), what we want is efficiency. Reduce the hydrocarbons to achieve a given output, as hydrocarbons are getting more costly with the supply side squeezing the market.
If it's "this easy" to get plasmoids and turn carbon into oxygen (how cold would you like your nuclear fusion, Sir?), or course the next thing will be: what cheaper resource might be turned into fuel using a similar treatment? Could we do it to dry steam and from there get "cheap" HHO? Nice idea to ponder and even build for, but also playing with forces you might not want to play with indoors, let alone at hands-on distance. Empty plane of dirt, blast radius and blast shield, please...
In case people read over it: it appears we're dealing with NUCLEAR reactions here. Don't be fooled by the "low energy" or "cold" labeled that it's "safe". No-one claims it's safe to mess around with. Steam trains weren't safe. Jay Leno almost died working on a steam car. This is a couple levels beyond that.
Precise instructions on a setup that thus far has been safe for replicators exist, and are in the process of being made "dummy proof".
The garage replication was about 40 mins away from my home. I watched the video but too many unknowns /speculation and investment being sought for me to go all in. All the best to those that do though.
Quote from: Jimboot on October 25, 2023, 06:57:51 AM
The garage replication was about 40 mins away from my home. I watched the video but too many unknowns /speculation and investment being sought for me to go all in. All the best to those that do though.
Fair enough Jim. But perhaps you might keep an eye on progress made and help others from making blunders?
Should you find yourself in the neighborhood and manage to arrange a personal inspection, that's be amazing for people on this forum.
Quote from: Cloxxki on October 25, 2023, 06:59:50 AM
Fair enough Jim. But perhaps you might keep an eye on progress made and help others from making blunders?
Should you find yourself in the neighborhood and manage to arrange a personal inspection, that's be amazing for people on this forum.
I have an open mind but I follow what my gut biome tells me. :) Love to connect with these guys and have a look at the device and get excited about it. For ICE tho I would defer to others here. I certainly have mates that could build something if there is a reason to but I am a complete novice in this area...
Key takeaways for readers with a short attention span (like myself):
- Apparent LENR ( Low Eneergy Nuclear Reaction ): the exhaust showing little to no CO or CO2 despite consuming fuel. Unexpectedly HIGH oxygen in exhaust.
- Extreme cooling of exhaust gasses from engine going through reactor. Coming out much colder than the inlet ambient air even. It happens too quickly to be considered a thermal exchange only.
- Moderate fuel savings reported (I need to see better data vs truly optimized stock engines).
Questions to the forum now:
- Which affordable multi gas meters would be sufficient for home builds? Crucial to detect CO, O2, CO2, NOx and hydrocarbons, I reckon?
- What fuel flow restrictors and fuel flow meters to consider?
- What's a good dependable load to "dyno" test on? Once it's built into a car, I could write a novel on test protocols, garage bench...that's different.
Sir
Yes a good method to establish claims ( primarily defining claims ..which seem to be evolving)
Martin Fleischmann project does not dither in fuel economy, their interest is biggest reason to
Continue to pay attention here (LENR claims?)
This would be groundbreaking for science!
Open source community does have access to state of the art electron beam microscopes ( outside of obvious university resources in LENR community...
Would be nice to sort the transmutation or Similar Claims, and yes the higher efficiency and oxygen output on an ICE is obviously a win win !
And of course in today's world a mandate to advance this tech for Green movement!
IMO
The LENR insinuation is Nobel prize kind of discovery
Respectfully
Chet K
Why unrealistic fuel consumption test protocols actually HELP this retrofit tech:
We all know cars can't achieve rated mileage unless driven in ideal conditions, slower than the typical old lady.
While modern ICE cars may often be 300 hp or more, in the simulated EPA or WLTP test cycles, I bet they'll hardly touch 50 hp and cruising at 110 kph is done at 20-30 hp or so.
The retrofit only needs to cover EPA/WLTP peak power demand, because THAT's what the CO2 g/km ratings every car brand needs to present front and center comes from.
A 5-30 hp THOR retrofit might, based on what I've seen in replication videos, bring carbon emissions down to just about zero. It doesn't matter if over 30 hp a valve lets in ambient air as well, even if it has to stop the LENR reaction. All about the lab simulation test cycles.
Hybrid cars get lovely low CO2 g/km ratings based on the short test cycles, but on a long drive the hybrid more of a ballast than an efficiency gain. The LENR will also on long drives, cruising at 20-30 hp draw, would a modestly sized THOR intake system, would do all the carbon transmutation.
It's a vastly different thing to build a 30 hp vs a 300 hp retrofit, methinks, and the latter would only be needed on a Class 8 semi truck or large mining/agriculture equipement.
No need to make NASCAR and Formula 1 clean as angels' farts, just enabling road vehicles to function without needless taxes and restrictions (like central London) would be a tremendous win.
Quote from: stivep on October 26, 2023, 02:55:37 PM
NASCAR is all about the speed. Fuel consumption is not important.
Batteries and electric motors are getting more efficient.
Electric car is taking over.
More charging stations are available at any place and at cost of few hundreds $$
instead of millions $$ for gas station that must be located at very specific place.
Most of Electric cars are charged at home.
Next 10 years will likely bring less cars using fuel than electric on the road.
Under road pavement conductor is used right now in few countries to inductively charge trucks.
The same can be done with proposed by me and Dr Corum surface wave using the same conductors
with higher frequency or strictly by using surface wave the way proposed by Dr Corum anywhere (VLF range)
Do I care?
Wesley
We are here discussing a very distinct tech which has advanced to the stage of one-day replications that operate as predicted. Your philosophical and wishful thinking musings don't move the needle to help this along. On the contrary.
Kindly start your own topic about your proposed way to do something, and then again when you've achieved positive results and then again when when you put it all out there in an easy to replicate open source way, and then when others have managed to get the same reading you've reported. We're at that latter stage now with THOR. There is a time and place for almost everything. This is not the time, nor place.
Good point I agree.
It is actually my field of expertise. Particle Physics.
I was too fast with typing . Sorry about that.
Wesley
Cloxxi you keep stating "replications" but I'm not seeing any evidence of that? The video you posted is Malcolm bendall team so not a replication? I'm all for embracing new discoveries but The title of thread is not accurate. APologies if I missed something.
Quote from: Jimboot on October 26, 2023, 06:25:09 PM
Cloxxi you keep stating "replications" but I'm not seeing any evidence of that? The video you posted is Malcolm bendall team so not a replication? I'm all for embracing new discoveries but The title of thread is not accurate. APologies if I missed something.
Hi Jim,
(Long rant, may delete later to keep this thread clean for when more informed people join in)
Are the people in Australia with the "garage" build, Bendall's people? Honest question, as I don't know.
I'm not sure the Martin Fleischman Memorial Project volunteers all identify as "on the Bendall team"?
Which of them do, to your knowledge? I am also still catching up, a lot has been put out there in the past weeks and months. Their enthusiasm as renowned LENR-focused researchers I think can be excused, and at the same time their professionalism assumed intact. I've not heard them declare it's 100% clear and all work to validate and understand has been done.
I've not attempted to make a concise list of replications, not just due to laziness, but also that nagging feeling that whatever is shown, it will never be enough for "the internet", let alone academia and the media. People get retrospectively held to higher standards after they've done something. You do a replication, and you become "Bendall's people", and lose your objectivity.
Academia will state its expectactions for a convincing replication only after a group has spent their whole budget on it. And even if they'd state expectations it beforehand, it would be unreasonably long a road and beyond anyone's collective budgets. I'd love to be proven wrong.
This technology was being worked on in relative silence, and Randall Carlson who's a great researcher mostly for geology and archaeology, ran his mouth in enthusiasm whenhe had a stage of millions of listeners. Got a huge flack for it, "peddling a hoax". But it's open source... Most people yelling "hoax" don't even know what open source is.
I'm no physicist (no diploma above high school and English is not a native or local language to me) but I could tell Randall Carlson was a bit in over his head explaining the technology. Even if he could, I've never seen him get the time he needs to express himself and what he knows. The simple matter of Atlantis takes him dozens of hours of presenting other people's work and how it relates and might be interpreted. Physics...I love the guy (not so much his politics or I'd request to be adopted) and it's great he got alternative physics on the scope of millions of generally curious and optimistic minds. It just was a bit early, Bendall wanted to be further along with data logging and documentation before going public.
This may not be everyone's favourite appraoch to open source, some will want to see it from the very first vague idea all the way to realization. That way, it would be subject to ridicule from clueless peers and resistant academia and by extension media and politics, every step of the way. Because that worked so well for Nikola Tesla? It's open source, but developing documentation everyone can understand while making sure what you have is what you think it is, puts a great demand on resources. Name 10 physicists that were able to unlock new categories of physics, document it so all could understand, and then be the media darling one needs to be to get it anywhere. We can't hold anyone to that standard, let alone retrospectively.
From my observation of videos, we are presented with a retrofit that is relatively low tech, makes carbon disappear from the tailpipe and radically cool down exhaust piping. Oxygen is seen where you don't expect it: the final exhaust of an engine system seemingly running well enough on hydrocarbons and air.
In my opinion, the seeming LENR effect (whether real or misunderstood or false readings) has been replicated.
I intentionally don't use the verb "validated". I've seen more videos of multimeters "showing" overunity can I could count. It's one thing to "see" oxygen. I want it to be used to oxidize a proven no-oxygen source. Say, iron dust as a cloud in a balloon with exhaust gas, and a good spark. Compare to exhaust without retrofit, and compare to ambient air.
I don't agree with modern academia on a lot of things, but we can take some tricks from old academia and make a little more sure before hurting ourselves in our silly victory dance. Carbon to oxygen is a bit "meh" to me unless we save a fortune on gas perhaps, but if this is like the first ever slice of pizza...it's pretty darn cool, and their might be more bases, crusts, toppings to have a go at.
Intuitively, I want to know what can be done with white sand (SiliconDioxide) which seems cheaper to mine than anything but water. Atom number 14. Brings its own oxygen even. If I had access to a shop to weld up pipes and spheres and measuring equipment, I'd be going wild with such a thing now, and seeing what Bendall's "out there" theories might suggest for relative dimensions and flows.
First things first: validate and understand the carbon to oxygen, nominate Bendall for a Nobel's (there seem to have been lesser men who have gotten theirs) and come to grips with what parts of the theories matter and which don't.
"Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country"
"What can existing replicators do to convince us, make us believe this time it's different?"
-> What can this forum do for credible validation and if real, furthering the works in an open source manner?Ramset alludes that we have access to some high end certified equipment to analyse gasses and inspect materials that have been exposed to these gas flows. If we can't find gaseous carbon when there "should" be loads assuming the retrofit doesn't do anything...we need to find solid carbon deposits, or theorize other physics for it to have evaded our detection. Disbelief is not a valid theory. A scam become less likely when groups of people can do a one day build and get the predicted but outragous results. Carbon to oxygen, regardless of fuel efficiency in turning a crank.
Sir
The LENR community are not novices or backyard mechanics.
They and their scientific peers ( critical ) have access to the best of the best in test equipment to verify these claims ( not referring to remote demonstrations with hand held test equipment), that is one reason which is curious about this claim, as it has been around in bits and pieces for a few years (at some level),
there must be unusual (beyond the sniffing nose) evidence
To qualify these claims...
The Martin Fleischmann, Memorial, Project, is dedicated to integrity in scientific research!
( and held to these standards by requiring independent replication/verification by their peers
in science community ..since day one)
That being said, we do also have access to open source equipment for vetting these claims at the highest level, and I speak of state of the art, fresh off the assembly line equipment.
Access with no strings attached as sometimes happens at university labs (yes you can use our equipment "if " (attach strings/stipulations here))
A nice piece of meat for the open source community to chew on ( hopefully)
Respectfully
Chet
Thinking of the "Fred in the shed" builders (as am I).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8IJSCNbF6wk (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8IJSCNbF6wk)
Jordan seems to be collaborating with Malcolm on sorting a spec sheet for replications.
One super critical component will be the reactor section (curious what they come up with).
Another is sampling...
Some thoughts:
An already existing tech, O2 sensors in car emissions exhaust systems, "down stream" and "up stream" sensors which are designed to migrate oxygen for analysis in real time under aggressive "high heat and volume"-conditions.
Being able to get feedback on that part of the claim ( continuous cheep data sampling) would be a critical tool.
Also carbon monoxide samplers for home safety?
Can these be retrofitted?
Perhaps another source of cheap sampling for carbon?
Just some thoughts while we wait for pending open source replicators PDF.
Again I repost link to Malcolm's open source hosting site.
https://www.strikefoundation.earth/open-source-research (https://www.strikefoundation.earth/open-source-research)
And general information page on this "THOR reactor" AKA Thunderstorm Generator.
https://www.strikefoundation.earth/s/THUNDERSTORM-GENERATOR_ATOMIC-ENERGY-FROM-WATER-PLASMOID-PROTIUM-POWER.pdf (https://www.strikefoundation.earth/s/THUNDERSTORM-GENERATOR_ATOMIC-ENERGY-FROM-WATER-PLASMOID-PROTIUM-POWER.pdf)
Respectfully
Chet
Edit: request Chet
The long awaited build guide. The capable builders on here will come back from this with only clever questions, I'm sure.
Thunderstorm Generator | COMPLETE DIY BUILD GUIDE | Malcolm Bendall's Plasmoid Tech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6cxYnWTFi0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6cxYnWTFi0)
Made with the benefit of comments from Malmolm on the draft of the video.
I don't think a multi gas meter is specified, I'm still chasing to get fair recommendations for such. Does anyone here prefer a certain make or model?
Do any of you have automotive tech schools in your area?
Engine tune guys ?( students).
The O2 sensors are cheap (relatively), even having that bit proven or sampling as evidence of plausibility?
It has been my experience that the right questions to the right persons (teacher) can yield valuable input very quickly, and if you tweak the interest of a well equipped teaching/training facility.
This entire build could make the jump to university level scrutiny?
Point of fact .. this is an open source project, aligned with Global open source LENR community.
Any reader here with connections to such potential resources...
Should engage and hopefully report back? (I will be asking persons familiar with this)
The replication information makes for an easier explanation to such persons.
Respectfully
Chet K
Edited per request Chet
Plasmoid Update | New Thunderstorm Generator Info, Pre-production units, MFMP Update, Robert Temple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyxZRuCgzG8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyxZRuCgzG8)
Contents:
- 25 pre-production units built to be sent out to research teams. Looking to get data in and suggestions for optimization.
- Work to be done on a car with a retrofit, helped with parts from Malcolm.
- Land Logical to effect mass production from UK.
- Hoping to get a production spec ready by next year.
- Nykyta's analasysis PDF.
- Testing in Germany.
- Suggested optimizations from the German researchers regarding the previously posted build guide based on testing.
- Post-running material analysis being conducted by Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project
- Seeming crystal formations on outside of large scale project sphere
- Article: US Airforce working on plasmoid research. It's not a new field of research.
- Book recommendation "Robert Temple - A new science from heaven", on plasma, etc.