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very interesting what province do you live in?

hartiberlin i think you should have a section here at overunity.com where people can see that we are for open source projects/ideas/funding/etc or else things like this will keep on repeating itself. seriously funding is not going to happen here unless it's open source.


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Hi William

Congratulations if you have what you say you have, sorry to say a few people on the forums will probably come back and state that they have heard it all before, because basically they have.

You have only got to look through the forums and see how many people over the years have claimed to have OU and then suddenly dissapear after getting everyone wound up and excited.

But if you have what you claim then you have to decide what path you want to go down.
If it is the commercial route then I would say these forums would maybe help regards learning on the back of other peoples experiences and the history of where they possibly went wrong and what pitfalls to avoid when going for the commercial venture.

If it is opensource, then Bingo, there are more than enough people on these forums that would love to replicate anything that claims OU and even though the forums have their quiet spells, as soon as there is a new idea they spring into life!!!

Good luck and look forward to seeing plans if they become public.

Regards

Sean.

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The question is my dear fellow, does IT REALLY FRICKIN WORK!!!!!!!!........

understating the last post... ::)

Do you plan to make it open source? If so, can we see some pics, drawings etc.

Sounds thrilling!


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Quote from: innovation_station on February 11, 2007, 10:11:45 AM

Quote from: acp on February 11, 2007, 09:14:34 AM
The question is my dear fellow, does IT REALLY FRICKIN WORK!!!!!!!!........

wes the engine works it can reach speeds of 10000+ in less than 2min

Sounds Excellent.

Must admit I would love to email you for a copy of the plans, but could not trust myself to run off and try to replicate it, so will wait till it released public!

Regards

Sean.

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Quotebear with my spelling i never was good at it

pfew...but it makes life not easier... ;)

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Cool idea

So are you using the power generated off the turbine to to drive the pressure pump mechanicaly that is spraying the water at the blades as such hence making it self run?

Glad you have decided to make it open source this way you will get others replicating it and giving the proof that it does indeed work.

To get the credit from it, I would get it published to as many FreeEnergy sites that you can and your name will stay with it.

To get money/funding from it comes off the back of the publicity that you can create by putting it out there and making sure that your name does indeed go with it.

Another approach is as mentioned on lots of threads in these forums of going down the Patent line etc etc.

Regards

Sean.

Quote from: innovation_station on February 11, 2007, 11:14:43 AM
how do i post a drawing of my turbine on this thred

Just hit the Browse/attachment button and point it at your files. They will then get uploaded here.

Or if you have them on a website just hit the insert image icon and type the url of where they are.

Regards

Sean.

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Thats a circular saw blade in the second pic.....................

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So far, pretty inovative and money saver...

However, without an operating principle to see how the system works as a whole, I find it a bit confusing.
What is your input, what is your output?
Do you drive the shaft using a motor (110V/15A)? What are those 24 presure points?
So far, I guess the assembled unit you presented cannot work outside of a casing.
I'm eager to see the rest.
Thanks for sharing.

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Okay, I'll venture a guess for fun.  How about a hand power saw?

are you for real?

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Are you for real?

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My best guess... a vacuum cleaner?

Anyway, I'm thrilled how those puppies run frictionless (almost as you say)  ???

What's next?

What do you claim to be able to do with your machine?

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You're using discs (like Tesla's turbine), yet still different. Personaly I don't see a reason not to call it "Filsinger turbine".

I'm still curious if/how you recicle the fluid (water) and to see your approach in what you claim (almost) frictionless rotation. At that speed, heat could be a problem.

However, in case you missed the page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_turbine), you may double check for pros and cons. The bigest con "As of 2006, the Tesla Turbine has not been fully used commercially since its invention" and I guess because of the low torque. I hope you have a beter solution.

Regards.

Do you have an operational redesigned 12 volt N machine that you can show us that puts out at least 2000 watts of power while being ran by your high speed motor turbine device?  2000 watts minimum output will be required for your device to self run.

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Hi ,

Is my assumption of this machine correct....?

You have a shaft mounted on bearings, running through the 2 weights and saw blade. You then apply a jet of water from a pressure cleaner to the teeth of the saw blade , causeing the blade and weights to build up tp a spin of very high speeds . You then extract power from the shaft.

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Have you tried applying a load to this setup for any lenght of time? I may be wrong but I think you are being confused by what you are seeing. I agree the motor will reach very high speed and because of the weights it will also have great potential energy stored. However you must remember that you appled force or power to your motor for sometime before achieving this high speed. I think you will find that if for a few minutes ,you apply any sort of load to this device (that exceeds the input power) it will result in great disapointment to you.

I hope I am wrong , but if you haven't tried extracing power from your motor for more than a few secounds , I suggest you try this experiment.

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the next picture i will post will will be prototype # 3

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ok,  it's got an outlandish title but I just realized that it is in "half baked ideas"

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Tesla came up with a remarkable idea for his turbine.  It makes a good pump in some abrasive situations.  It is well known and has yet to become used in a widespread way.  This is because it is not efficient at all. So, no, a Tesla turbine is not anywhere near the most efficient machine ever built.

A turbine is a good choice for turning an N machine at high rpms.  Homopolar generators have not been proven to be overunity despite claims made for them a couple of decades ago.  I built one myself to test them.

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Quote from: innovation_station on February 12, 2007, 10:32:05 PM
hear is the second turbine i built this is where i noticed that the water doesnot have to pass through the turbine but just bounce off of it i used washers for my rivits and the water just hit the washers and made it spin super fast so from hear i went to prototype # 3 it is 5 sawblades 6 pcs plastic and 2 2.5lbs bellbar weights it is al togather tho as an engine

just bounce off? you mean like a turgo? http://h-hydro.com/turgo_drive.html

The water would have to go through it to make it like a tesla turbine, otherwise it's more like a turgo.

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Quote from: innovation_station on February 13, 2007, 11:57:13 PM
im looking for"bad" responces or reasons why you think this will not work or will not be overunity

Hi and congratulations on your workmanship and more importantly on makeing your idea opensource.

You are looking for "bad " responces and this is what open source is all about ,so I will do my best :-)

Unless I totaly misunderstand this machine, I would guess it runs at about 40% efficiency. Have you tried putting a load on the output shaft and for how long? If you haven't put a load on the shaft , could I suggesst this quick easy experiment .
Place the motor on the ground and rest a piece of timber (2*4 inches about 3 feet long for example) on the output shaft and one end of the timber on the ground . So you have the timber at around 30 degre angle. Now start the motor then apply force with your foot to the timber so that you create great friction on the output shaft.Similar to a "pony brake" if you are familiar with them. I am sure you will find that you can stop the shaft after a few minutes of pressure on the timber.. I doubt you would be able to
stop the output shaft of the electric motor driving the pressure cleaner as easily if at all by applying a similar "pony brake" to it. A realy rough way to determine out power from your device I know , but I am concerned that you are overestimating the output power over time of this device.
History tells me that I am most probably wrong in any assumtions I make so don't be disheartened by me. You imply that you have already made the motor self powering , in which case I am wrong yet again.
Have you been able to get the motor to self power?

I hope this is of some help to you , assuming you can uderstand my spelling and grammer errors :-)

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if for some reason this does not work then we should try changing the pressure points 1 would recomend more points because it would take less time and pressure to hit the proper speed my experiencs tells me that the more points the faster it will spin and the more toque it will have special att should be taken to the pump a tesla turbine pump should do the job well because it can spin at high speed with ease and move a large volume of water  if the pump was light weight like carbon fibre it would only have to move the water not the weight of a steel pump and it the turbine weighed a lot more than the pump and the amount of work that had to be done to move the water than mommentom should keep  pushing the water and the extra boost of force from the jet should allow it start operation on itsself once started it will instantly reach amazing speeds and break free from the magnetic cluch and starter drive once this has taken place it will be free engery from there on out till faliure of parts you could simply run the generator off the end with the pump in doing that it will have even more mommention as well as produging electricty the entire time from set in motion

hear is what i just wrote

hello all intrested people


it has been almost a week since i have gone open source with my half finished idea but  i have seen that there i some intrest in my machine although i have not recieved the responces i was hoping for they are the bad ones the ones that tell me that it will never work and explanations why  it will not work as i said this is work in progress i want to make sure im not over looking anything from my reaserch and all the work i have done on this project i truly beleave this will i wish i had the money to compleat this build and prove the whole world that free energy does exsist and in large ammounts and that i have built the most efficient machine ever and i am sure it will be

i have gotten lots of views on this thred but not near the responces i had hoped


im hopping that someone smater that myself will prove me wrong on my machine until then i will keep working on this as i have every day since i started this project over 10 months ago

Quote from: innovation_station on February 15, 2007, 06:50:04 PM

im hopping that someone smater that myself will prove me wrong on my machine until then i will keep working on this as i have every day since i started this project over 10 months ago

Victor Schauberger was probably smarter than yourself.  Search the internet for the Repulsine.

Treated a very special way, water can do some amazing things.  Perhaps your saw blade sandwich draws on this mysterious vortex energy.  Perhaps not.  Without it, we engineers are taught that energy will be lost at every conversion point in the process; when the rotation of the shaft is directed to put pressure on the water there will be energy lost, and when the motion of the nozzle stream is converted to motion at the saw blade there will be energy lost here as well.

If it holds your interest and you are having fun then keep at it.  You might be on to something.  If not, try something else.  I learn something new every time I fail.

Rosphere--Keep squirming, searching, and questing!  :D

thanks for the in put i checked out the site i will read fully later but i would like to spark a chat about the turbine and its almost frictionless design and operation does any one understand the frictionless part i am trying to show hear? right now i am not using frictionless berings but when i do use them it will perform much better

in your opinion do you think this is frictionless? i call it frictionless because the little friction that is there is used by the turbine and it helps to speed the turbine up sounds funny dont it but i beleave this is true beacuse the weight of the water would slow the turbine down if it stuck to it  such as other liquids could but it does not have a chance to stick there becuese it is shoved to the inside walls of my casing from the friction or the air movment there mabe friction eleswhere like when the water hits the carbide tip it may actualy heat up the water but im not sure it has never been mesured or never ran for a loong time b4

with frictionless bearings it will spin much longer when the driving force is taken away than it spins currently but with firction bearings as the 1"s i have now it will still spin for about 10+ min after force is taken from it that is after 1 min of input  with those # it has not reached top speed yet for the 1500psi im putting in there in 1 min it would take between 2-3 min to reach full speed for the imputed pressure full speed should be around 25000 rpm i can only judge this i donot have the means to mesure that high speed although it sounds like a jet is flying by when i fire it up it is by far the best thing i have ever worked on yet

but i have much better things to come advanced designs for an air thrustor engine  and it is super simple aswell  basicly i suck air in and blow it out a small hole but using my turbine there is only 1 change to the turbine and that is add holes on the right angle to allow air to pass through the turbine  if i suck in a large volume of air  and shovre it out a small hole than it is the same as warer pressure causing thrust

if this dosent make sence to you i will explain later but for now


frictionless is the topic  comments required 

Frictionless bearings?

My loving bride purchased a, "steam cleaner," that has no water heating elements inside to make steam from the hot water that she adds herself.  Some steam cleaner.  :(  Is this the same company marketing, "frictionless bearings."

As far as I know, one may throw more money at bearing alternatives to further reduce friction, but I do not think that there is such a thing as a truly frictionless bearing.  (My steam cleaner analogy stops here because I know that real steam cleaners exist.  I asked her to return it for making false claims, but she likes it anyway.)

I could be wrong here.  I recall doing a lot of calculations in engineering college with massless, frictionless rods and other strange things.  ;)

Rosphere--Good luck with that!

i remember reading somewhere that MIT had devolpied a liquid that you treat both pcs of steel with and it would make it frictionless  i will have to do some looking

i have almost finished my prototype # 5 case it should be finished today and i will post pictures as soon as i finish #5 it the 1 that my sandwich sawblade 11" turbine fits in to there was a lot of work to this casing and 1 " plxi is hard to work with for the tools that i have never the less it  will work great even without frictionless bearings pictures will be hear soon i have made a few changes to it from its original design

well i would like my engine and machine Baked so lets get it done and go public to the entire world and build a plan to mass produce i know this machine will do everything i said it will do and much more HELP IS REQUIRED TO ADVANCE TO THE NEXT LEVEL WITH THIS PROJECT LETS BAKE IT ASAP hopping to get some more intrest in this and some how to start making some money out of all this i have worked long and hard on this and i see no reason this will not work


people who want to duplicate this please contact me and i will give exact mesurements to reproduce to percisision then lets confirm the operation of this and build build build  thease units should be large enough to power 1 hosehold and be sold for as little as possibale but including profits for those who help me im not greedy at all i will share all of this as i already have lets confirm this and sell sell sell


anyone intrested  in making this happin please contact me at innovationstation@auracom.com

THIS IS 1 OF THE ANSWERS WE ALL HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR!!

THIS WILL BE 1 0F THE MOST EFFICIENT MACHINES EVER BUILT

thanks agin william filsinger

hello after a lot of work hear are the finilazed drawings of the compleat filsinger turbine engine any one can reproduce from thease drawings they are clear enough to understand fully hear they are real pictures will follow

Thanks for your consistant efforts, but this is a simple yet complicated machine.

"does any one understand the frictionless part i am trying to show hear?"

I do not, I havn't thought about it deeply yet, but from what I see is that your machine is a mix between a tesla turbine and a Turgo turbine. Your machine seems to be powered by cohieshan by the side disc's and then a pushing pressure on the centre saw blade. cohieshan= tesla turbine. pushing pressure=turgo. niether of them are OU, though tesla turbine may be (so far as my knowledge goes) but turgo is definently not OU. So to me this looks less likely to be OU then a tesla turbine. mabye you can explain the essance of you machine? Anyways I'm waiting for the new pics/video. good luck. ;)

this is how i see it my turbine spins like a tesla and acts like a turgo it is frictionless or almost because the way the water propels it  im not saying that my turbine is ou buy it should be it will be overunity when i hook my generator up because of the high speed and the high current that it produces my entire machine would only have to produce 16 amps to be overunity and the generators i will hook up to this will produce 10000 according to the buleprint so all i realy care about is 16 amps that way it will run on its self and return more 

my turbine is not powered by cohieshan it is porpelled by the water hitting the carbide tips the 2 discs are used for weight and and to allow almost frictionless operation the saw blade makes it all happin i harness all of the power from the water with the saw blade 

also i would like to mention that my pressure washer runs on .75 hp mechnical power

now at 100 percent efficiency the out put of my turbine should only be .75hp so.....

what more can i say i know it will far exceed .75hp im sure tesls turbine was overunity from the orginal design butt it will only be ou doing certian jobs where speed is the main factor my pictures are comming there is a lot of work involved all the design i am currently prepairing for funding i have a meeting the end of this week with a manifacturer  so we will see how that goes

how ever i still need to rasie funding to finish my work

so this is what i have decided to do

i will be selling the turbine prototype #5 for testing porpuposes it will be the compleate turbine machined to presision my cost of the laboure on the first #5 turbine cost me 1350 cdn i will be selling copies the exact same turbine that i have they will sell for 1000 us + shipping  per turbine only for testing and gathering results this is in the hopes i can sell enough of them to compleate the generators the turbine will consist of 2 discs and 4 bolts and 1 60 tooth sawblade all keyed and ready to spin and mesure output the reason for doing this is that i can have them made localy and get a volume discount there will be a profit of 200 cdn on the turbine and it will go toward building the generator but this will only work if i can sell some of my prototypes intrested people contact me at innovationstation@auracom.com

hear is another picture of # 5 this is what im selling for $1000 us exactly what you see

just another way i thought i could describe the operation of the turbine


assume the turbine as a sprocket and the water as a chain all on frictionless bearings 
but the chain has no drag after use of the chain link the chain is blowen over the inner walls of the case and gathered backtogather with gravity and sent back through the pressure washer all the water is is a high speed strong force chain driven by pressure

hello all i am finished the prototype here are the long awaited pictures of the filsinger turbine engine a lot of hard work here the video of my engine running will be comming soon for now here are the pictures

just wondering what you all think? now that we are past this the prime mover that was the easy part the generators are next there is a lot more to the generators a break down of the parts is comming soon

Could you please post a video ,
so one can see how well the turbine spins and then do a load test on the shaft ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi  innovation_station -

1st, I think it's great that you are openly sharing this info about your motor design.
I just wanted to back up a bit to where  tonyc was in regarding to testing your unit.
It would be good to check it out via the pony break 2x4 test. I know you said you did something similar but did you try to put the brake to your 0.75 hp shaft of the water pump motor to do a comparison? should be clear then which motor has more power, yours or the pressure washer pump motor.
Or perhaps you can find something that your water pump motor will bearly run and then try running it with your motor. Maybe you can put on a regular alternator or DC generator  and try to close the loop that way. Auto alternators are fairly cheap and easy to obtain. Electric motors can be used as generators also although not that efficiently.
Just suggesting that you somehow get a good grasp of your output power before going too much further.
Just some thoughts-

Keep Up The Good Work-

Yup Looks good   Like to see a video of it spinnin up !!!  ;)

here is a breakedown of the generator

the video of the engine running is  comming soon i first have to buy a new pressure washer as the 1 i have has frozen and broke so soon i will be able to afford another 1 until then i will keep working but just some of my thoughs on the turbine


i dont think that the output of the turbine is important it is all variable if i add more weight to the turbine it will have more power if i add more teeth it will have more torque and speed what is important to the turbine is the input i can use the same input and get diffrent outputs form the same turbine the turbine has to spin that is all the weight of the generators only matters on the the size of the turbine the turbine should be much larger than the generator not in weight but in size ie my turbine is 11" circle the generators will be as a finished size 7.75 " that will be the biggest part of the generators the reason the out put of the turbine does not matter is because i will turn everything all at once so there is no load to the turbine it is only extra mass so the turbine is not required to do any work at all so friction is verry important  so it will not slow down the only things to make any contact to the machine is the water wich will have no drag and the bearings wich will be frictionless and the brushes will only touch a verry small part of the machine

but i will domenstrate trying to stop it with 2x4 break after 1 min of inputed power and after maxmum speed has been achived as well i will spray for 1 min and record how long it spinns after the force is taken from it until dead stop keep in mind thease bearings are no where near frictionless so all of thease results will change when i add frictionless bearings

  how ever i will try to get enough money togather to get a new washer

this is my off season work is slow and money is tight but i will see what i can do

thanks william

well as i said i had a metting today with a company who wants to build and help in marketing this machine i just though that i would let everyone know things went verry well i could not demonstrate tho as i have no working pressure washer but still i had big intrest in this machine i showed the prototype to them and asked if they saw any reason as to why this will not work and they said that it has to work all that is required to work is movment as long as it moves it will work  so it looks like im on my way they own all the tools nessary to build compleat from scrach and they will buy a cnc lathe to build thease units if it is required so i guess it has all started i am accepting help from anyone who has an intrest in this project and will share any rewards that come from this machine if you feel that you can contribuite to this in any way and help the progress of my work than please do this company will build them on a large scale if i need so i guess im calling upon any one who can help not much money is required to finish or work the big job is done and that is the design the way i see it i could compleat this machine for less than 5000 cdn   i will offer machines to the first 20 people that take a chance on me and my machine the machines that will be offered will be to the scale of prototype #5 and should supply a entire household with free power a value of around 10000 - 15000 cdn and in return for taking a chance on me the machine will be given at a cost that will only cover the materials and labour im guessing at around 4000 cdn its almost like an early bird offer but i dont know im just the inventor what i do know is it will work and i dont have the funds to build it any futher right now so far no one has invested anything in this other than me and my family so hopefuly  some one will all that i am lacking from sucess is funding

if anyone can help me to get some funding it would realy make this much easyer

all i can do is wait and design somthing elese

So basically you want poeple to send you money? A few thousand?

So far, you have shown a few plexiglass plates screwed together with a circular saw blade sat in them, some unlabelled line drawings with vague titles and a misunderstanding of how electrical power is calculated. This isn't very enticing for a prospective investor. Maybe if you would show a video with a complete closed loop, that is, with the n_machine providing the electricity for the pressure washer, you may have more chance in exciting interest in your idea.

Right now, one can trawl the internet and find hundreds of people like you ( in fact, allready on this web site there seems to be quite a few people at the moment presenting their ideas with no validation other than that they say it's overunity, but not allowing any outside validation, asking for money and then being exceedingly bitter when no one wants to help), with an invalidated free energy idea, asking for money to further their research. Why invest in you, rather than one of the many other hundreds???? Sorry to be so cynical, but this  really seems to be developing into a trend.

Best regards and I'm looking forward to seeing some real evidence that your machine actually does something special. Who knows, with convincing evidence, I may even invest in it!

Albert

Albert, I totally agree. What is so expensive about a washer ? Washers normally costs cents.... And why cant the company he found not build it first and post a video.
Please guys, dont ask for money over here, if you cant show some at least overunity running device in action !
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hello there acp i bleave that you missed somthing in my posts

i have only built my case of plexi glass not my turbine so i have showen all of my work to everyone  my turbine is built out of .5" steel plates and a steel sawblade there is no plexiglass in my turbine i would not have spent over 1500 cdn on a peice of plastic that would blow apart and destory all of my work would you? steel was my choice but alumnium or stainless steel will be the production model that way no damage could ocour to the turbine ever thus making my turbine indistructable by water so percisison is the key to great results the smother the operation the more output so if for some reason you do not understand this simple machine im not sure i can make you understand it it is simple im sure the engine will be verry efficient if not overunity but you must understand that there is only 1 thing that could render this engine under unity and that will be friction and i beleave in my design i am beond any friction that could slow this machine down to the point that it would be underunity

i have all drawings to scale and labled all of my design is done in corel draw and from that format it can be converted dirrectly to auto cad and stuck in a cnc mill to manifacture it no one has asked me for exact drawings and # so i did not post them

 a misunderstanding of how electrical power is calculated ?????

what was that suspoto mean????

the real calculation of electrical power is in amps weather it is ac or dc amps stay the same and power can be converted easly and if the out put of power is less than 12 vdc i can add a dc to dc converter to up the voltage and power the invertors for main output


Maybe if you would show a video with a complete closed loop, that is, with the n_machine providing the electricity for the pressure washer, you may have more chance in exciting interest in your idea.

ok if i had the money i would have done that and chances of me going public as i have would not have been so great im sure if i had built this totaly the public would have never seen my work so in my opinion everyone is lucky that i did not have the money to compleat this on my own because this is public knowalage now and by my descision
so this will be the most efficient machine ever built if for some reason you or any one can see how this will not work then kindly explain

also if i had a finished generator it would be running on itsself  why because it easly can if you donot think so then explain


Right now, one can trawl the internet and find hundreds of people like you

not so true do some serches there is nothing any where on the net even close to what im working on if there was i would not be doing this as i said i have many more inventions and designs to cosume my time but i chose this one because it has the most potencial right now and has the most demand


and has the most profit potencial

parden my spelling

( in fact, allready on this web site there seems to be quite a few people at the moment presenting their ideas with no validation other than that they say it's overunity, but not allowing any outside validation, asking for money and then being exceedingly bitter when no one wants to help), with an invalidated free energy idea, asking for money to further their research. Why invest in you,


ok hear we go  i have allowed any one and every one to validate my claims this is why i have posted my work hear  it will be over unity at a speed as i have explained earyler  i am not bitter i am broke that is why im hear i can not finish on my own lacking the proper tools to finish or the funding

an invalidated free energy idea??? this is verry far from invaladited  look at the n machine there is only 1 reason it is not overunity as i have explained b4 the reason it is underunity is because of how they are driving it they use a large motor that is less than 80 percent efficient  and can not reach the speeds required to make it overunity as well it will consume way to much power i can duplicate that electric motors output easly and much faster with my turbine and consume only a fraction of the power it does because i have invented a better way to turn it at a much higher speed and i can easly increase the input thus increasing the output

Why invest in you,

because i have the answer on a scale that will exceed anything currently built and it will be portable and should anything break it can be repaired easly and fast it can be put anywhere in this world and will produce power with the push of a button

Best regards and I'm looking forward to seeing some real evidence that your machine actually does something special. Who knows, with convincing evidence, I may even invest in it!

im sure you will invest in this


for your convincing evidence i reccomend you buy # 5 prototype for 1000 us or build this entire machine from scrach and you will see and understand why i call this the most efficient machine ever built

but i will release video but not till i can afford the pressure washer it only costs 150 dollars but i can not afford it i am broke

thanks for your comments

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Quotea misunderstanding of how electrical power is calculated Huh??

what was that suspoto mean?Huh

the real calculation of electrical power is in amps weather it is ac or dc amps stay the same and power can be converted easly and if the out put of power is less than 12 vdc i can add a dc to dc converter to up the voltage and power the invertors for main output

I suggest you look at this link, it took me 3 seconds to find it using google.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power

Quotealso if i had a finished generator it would be running on itsself  why because it easly can if you donot think so then explain

I'm sorry I don't understand your sentence.


I think one factor you are forgetting is the efficiency of the pressure washer. I really don't know what that would be, but, definitely under 100%. The rest of your machine will have to be significantly over 100% efficient to compensate for this to achieve mere unity. Now, if the only advantage your saw blade turbine has  is low friction then where will the extra energy come from. Until now, as far as I know, no n_machine has shown overunity effects, even when using sophisticated mercury contacts, so, your extra power isn't going to come from that.

Quotefor your convincing evidence i reccomend you buy # 5 prototype for 1000 us or build this entire machine from scrach and you will see and understand why i call this the most efficient machine ever built

You will have to show much greater evidence that your machine exhibits overunity, before I pay you 1000 dollars for a machine I've never seen, or have any evidence at all, that it is overunity, except your word that you believe it will be.

Best regards

Albert

We like your project  innovation_station

However, Stefan and acp make good points about requiring evidence of overunity or at least of high efficiency.
If you haven't the funds to close the loop with generators and inverters etc. then please find a practical but clear method for testing the output of your turbine. You already know the power output of the pressure washer so you now need to compare it to the output of your machine.
If the output shaft of your pressure washer and the output shaft of your turbine are the same size in diameter than the suggested wooden pony brake test should be a good inexpensive way to test it out. The weight(force) can be measured on the end of the lever that it takes to stop one of the motors and then compared with the other motor.

Just A Suggestion.

here is a link all of you should read http://www.stardrivedevice.com/over-unity.html

Hello innovation
I just finished reading this whole thread and it looks like you have been busy.
There are some problems with your machine thermodynamically, namely conversion losses.
- pressurizing water results in heat losses and pressure drops due to friction add nozzle turbulence on to that.
- I think the problem in this area is energy conversion, when you accelerate the water you convert the pressure to velocity,but the energy in the water stays the same(W=F x A).
- As well when the high velocity stream hits the turbine there is turbulence,friction, the power developed being a function of change in velocity over time.
- The turbine cannot convert 100% of the velocity to momentum so there are losses, any part of the stream not hitting the turbine falls to the bottom having done no work on the turbine, the bigger the difference in velocity between the water stream and the turbine the more torque developed but the stream leaves with a higher velocity again doing no work because it falls to the bottom.
- Because the water in the bottom of the case has no velocity the pump has a higher inlet suction thus more work input is required.

I could keep going but I think you see my point, normally anytime you convert energy you have losses. Personally, I think critizism can be constructive, so I will offer you some options to consider.


- when you pressurize a working fluid(water,air) you create heat and the heat produces an expansion in the fluid we measure as pressure. If however you pull a suction on the fluid then out gassing of CO2 and O2 happens causing an increase in volume at the same time the expansion will cool the fluid through refrigeration effect decreasing its volume. This expansion will absorb heat from its surroundings not give it away- big difference.
- If you dissconnect the water supply but leave the nozzle open to atmosphere and pull a vacuum on the bottom of the case the air will accerlerate through the nozzle turning the turbine.If you then heat the nozzle you have a hot suctional force which promotes maximum outgassing.
- here is a sticky issue as well, if you pull a suction on the bottom of the case with a centrifugal fan (vacuum cleaner)the fan will speed up if the inlet nozzle is closed, why is that?
Because the fans work function is based on mass rate of flow(MRF), the more mass accelerated by the fan the more work required to drive it, and the suction or pressure developed by a fan is based soley on the tip velocity(the outside edge speed), the mass rate of flow is based on the change in aceleration times impeller flow through area.
So when the fan under suction conditions moves less air it accelerates drawing less power because the fan blades are in effect moving nozzles, when a nozzle has no flow it is considered a choked nozzle which does little or no work. The problem is that when the fan blade nozzle chokes it creates turbulence thus drag because as Victor Schauberger said " our propellers are inefficient drag devices and are thus unnatural".
Create a machine that can pull a large suction without turbulence or creating heat and you will have your OU machine regardless of what kind of generator you attach to it--- I think?


All of this is the opinion of me and victor S and could be construed as complete bullshit by some persons in this forum. In which case the person with the longest dippsy doodle times shoe size divided by there IQ shall be considered right.

what can be said? all canadian you have said lots and thanks for all of your input

the way understand it is that you are sure this will not work i guess i will keep at it and see what happins next i some how managed  to fix my pressure washer so i will see about some tests

I would suggest researching thermodynamics and applied mechanics to understand the basic processes involved, so you know what not to do. Then try something new and different in a direction you think may be better. You have gone futher than 99% of people do, by actually attempting to build something, most times we talk of our opinions but seldom act on them.
Remember there are no failures, only lessons learned on our way to success.
Best of luck

how ever i do have some questions

the generator when all is spun at once = no backtorque so that improves efficiency
the generator will be more efficient that current ac generators is that correct?

also the engine if an electric motor is 80 percent efficient or so and my turbine ends up being say 95 -98 percenr efficient  then when i put the 2 machines togather they will be  well on the engine 15 - 18 percent and on the generator around the same than the there would be a gain of 30 -38 percenr more efficient than current ways of producing power is this correct ?

so if i achive that then all i have to do to put into an overunity state of operation is find a better way to pressureize my water to use less power to do the same job as the washer is that correct?

also i have done so but agin can not afford to build i will lay the claims out now i have designed an overunity water pressureizer or at lest a higher efficiency one fore sure but i will not lay out all of the details as i have many more overunity designs for that tech aswell but agin no money but lots of designs

william

well im thinking of questions a few more


horse power teslas  turbine is rated at 95 efficient he says that 1 lb / 10 hp at 2000 rpm how is that calculated and if that were true it would have been overunity right from the start as i beleave now take the heat away from that



ok another question horse power does it increase with speed as well as torque i beleave it does if you have 10 hp at 1000 rpm then the same mass spinning at 2000 rpm should it not have 20 hp ? so speed is the main factor in output

so if my turbine weighs 30 lbs then and it spins at 15 000 rpm for it to be underunity  its mechanical output will be less than .75 hp how can that be? even if i had 1/10 of a hp at 100 rpm than it would still be far over .75 hp thus making it overunity corect?

so i guess overunity will be achived a a high rate of speed is that correct?

or if i added more weight to the turbine it would have more hp at the same rpm as when it had less weight correct ? but still using the same  .75 hp input so weight is another main factor in the output of the machine

also there is 1 more thing that must be understood and that is mommuntiom when it is spinning it will take less in put to keep spinning correct so if it took all 15 amps to get it all to spinn and say it took 15 min to get it to top speed then after top speed was reached the input power could drop some to sustain it at that speed then it would be using less power to keep running so the longer it ran for in time the more efficient it would be correct?


any answers would be a great help

thanks 
 

Yikes,that's a lot of questions!

To answer most questions I think it's better to generalize whats happening.
- Total efficiency could be calculated as the efficiency of each machine component(ie compressor/turbine/generator) divided by the number of components.Output minus input=total efficiency(+=OU)

Efficiency is not the big problem however, let's say all components are 100% efficient then what? Your input is equal to your output so you gain nothing!
So in order to get overunity some energy must enter the system and show up on the output, but not effect the input.

Torque is work(Force x Distance) a turning force on your turbine shaft, Power generated on the shaft is a measure of how quickly work can be done, Power = Torque x RPM.
Better yet goto-
http://science.howstuffworks.com/fpte7.htm
it explains everything.

You will see adding weight to your turbine increases the amount of energy stored as energy due to velocity, BUT does not change the input or output --- It is a flywheel nothing more.

The website will explain all your questions, again you need to know the basics first. Research-Research and more Research

well i guess that is the way it sits well i will put this on the back burner for now this machine is a long  way from overunity so i now see

thanks to all who helped

i am on to somthing new it is overunity for sure it is a generator i just came up with it 2 days ago it is half built and guess what i dont need any money to compleate it

it can be made realy cheep i just happined to have all the parts laying around it will be opensource aswell i will start a new topic soon all about it

thanks all agin for your intrest


william filsinger

innovation_station

Good luck on your next project  :)

Dave

As an inventor I know one thing ,I will fail over and over in order to succeed, I learn from failure. But you cannot fail if you never stop trying to succeed.

Quote from: allcanadian on February 28, 2007, 10:11:31 PM
As an inventor I know one thing ,I will fail over and over in order to succeed, I learn from failure. But you cannot fail if you never stop trying to succeed.

People may call us mad, but if it is in your blood, it is in your blood!!!

Regards

Sean.

well i have returned after reading almost every thing on the tpu



however it led me to a breathrough on my turbine engine generator it is no overunity i just now finished my hand drawings but i have not built it yet came to as a thought just like all the rest of them i will work on the drawing and post it hear

1 more thing i could not buy frictionless berings so i built them

this i will be amazing to all

william and the innovation station team

this tech will work on the lines of antigrativty and will be the most altimate means of control of a flying disc using high speed for balance output power to power the electro magnetic to repel gravity as well the high speed will reduce the weight of the entire thing this is easly built


has anyone built my turbine? everyone thinks it a waste of time ?

well this will open everyones eyes then there is absultly no reason this will not work my drawings will be hear today i have not even started my computer drawings yet and im looking for some one to help me with a 3d drawing i have the proggie but not the experience to use it it is solid works i would like a 3d drawing of this machine who can help me at no cost as i still am broke but this will change soon

drawings soon


william

the drawing

in this drawing as you can see i left the coils out because i still thinking but as you can see there lots of small mags and there will be the most efficient pick up coils im thinking of teslas cone bi coil but we will see as well the coil will be adjustable to speed or turned off state where the coils are well out of range of the globe  all is still when you send your compressed air in withc is supplyed by a 12 volt tire pressure pump so it uses verry little powere to operate it is also on a loop with a invertor and charger that recharges  and a small solar pannel so that is the supply

now when you start it it does this it goes fast quicg and as it dois the coils are drawen in to the magnetic force as well the coils could be on springs with a conductor that is still deep in thought but this will spinn as fast as you want so at some point it will defy gravity produce electricty keep balance and when you turn at 90 degrease it will blast off at a hyper speed

   do to the gyrospoceffect  well how about space travel


a ufo i think not

a filsinget turbine generator hover board  or aka the hover bubble


just somore of my amazing thoughts

let me know what you thing on this i am going to build a small ptototype of the globe genreator to start with som help on the coils and a 3d drawing will aid this project as is said money is tight so i will work with what i have


william and the innovation station team

one more thing i might add compleatly frictionless operation so what will stop this machine no current will be maid until high rpm is achived this as you guessed is open source as well build if u desire free technolgy by me and the innovation station

Quote "1 more thing i could not buy frictionless berings so i built them

this i will be amazing to all

william and the innovation station team "

How did you build the frictionless bearings ??

Dave

all is there in my simple drawing

 ;)

i will be adding more hear soon in cluding a pic of my frictionless bearings

my frictionless bearings are simple 2 magnets that opose each other the 1 flots on top of the other my globe is on top of the bottom mag and on top of my globe is  the second mag and on top of that a nother mag so basicly my globe flots inside of 2 big magnets and i blow compressed air at the turbine and it spins with no friction i will take a pic of my lower bering and post it hear


william

here is my berings just put the globe turbine on top and 1 ring mag on top of that add more mags to the bottom to support the extra weight of the globe and fire away

still working on the generation coils

I'm sure they allready have those, they do have magnetic shocks in some cars, and they have magnetic flywheels that store energy.

http://www.blog.thesietch.org/2007/01/17/flywheel-storage-technology/

im not trying to re invent frictionless bearings hear im trying to make my turbine spin better from a lower input and that is how i am going to do it with those bearings the pic i just posted

somthing else than can be built from the pic i just posted is this

a frictionles homopolar generator verry easy to do just add the turbine (a piece of plexi glass ) and a copper disc on top of the floating mag and 2 brushes and there you have a high speed homopolar generator powered by a 12 v air compresser with no friction or verry little

@innovation_station

Just wanted to let you know about your designs in Corel Draw (CD). I had just finished designing my new perpetual wheel design using CD (no magnets). My guy that can cut my parts with a CNC waterjet metal cutter requires the design in AutoCad format. So I exported it from my CD program and sent it to  him. To my dismay, my guy called me back to say that the Autocad version when exported from CD has so many nodes that cutting smooth lines is impossible, so I now have to redraw it in Autocad. Geez, lucky my sister in law had a copy but you still have to deal with the learning curve and delay. Anyways, thought you should know this before you ever get into the same situation.

thanks for your insight but a good friend of mine is a cnc coder he also owns a epolog laser  but  ther is no need to re draw he has many times taken designs from cd and put in a cnc mill just by converting the files im sure he had to do somthing in acad but im not sure what  i can find out if you like what must be done to make it work i dont think that it took to long to do tho

i just thought that i would let people know that today i just recived a letter from the cdn gov and they are reviewing the my  turbine engine so just mabe you all will see it on the market soon but only time will tell 

good news to me i thought i would share

william

Quote from: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 11:54:09 AM
i just thought that i would let people know that today i just recived a letter from the cdn gov and they are reviewing the my  turbine engine

Why is our government reviewing your engine? Did you submit a patent application?

BTW, I live in Southwestern Ontario. What part of Ontario do you live in?

i am verry close to you but i can not tell you where i am because of some of the projects i am involved in i asked the gov for funding to persue my work dalton mcguinty ministor of reaserch and innovation  is reviewing it as the letter says but im guessing i will get pushed off how ever time will tell

I have posted a similar question before in another thread, but here it comes:
Why do you fight against bearings with friction, if the intent is to get more out than you consume? Any output greater than input have potential to easily run the motor with bearings with friction. Right?

Br.

Vidar

when you have frictionless you will be running to the best potencial possible

is

Quote from: innovation_station on March 31, 2007, 07:26:09 PM
when you have frictionless you will be running to the best potencial possible

is

Yes, I can agree that. Less "drag" so to speak, will of course increase the output. I have a question about air resistance. A spinning wheel, or spinning "something", are always exposed to friction from the surface that glide through the surrounding air. So making small pitts on the surface, will decrease the air resistance a lot, and increase the output even more.

Br.

Vidar

i agree with your thoughts simlar to a golf ball  i will achive similar results using the magnets the way they are aranged the magnets can stick out or can be counter sunk

is

HELLO ALL

my turbine is working shooting vidieo tonight it works awsome ;D ;D ;D ;D

hello world here i come

videos tommorow  they will be on youtube here and hopfuly google vidieo

this will be the fastest spinning thing on the planet

brought to all by

THE INNOVATION STATION TEAM!!

Quote from: innovation_station on May 24, 2007, 05:50:55 PM
HELLO ALL

my turbine is working shooting vidieo tonight it works awsome ;D ;D ;D ;D

hello world here i come

videos tommorow  they will be on youtube here and hopfuly google vidieo

this will be the fastest spinning thing on the planet

brought to all by

THE INNOVATION STATION TEAM!!

i jusr ran some tests on it and 1 min or less of in put = 10 + min of output at a verry high speed the turbine agin weighs 30lbs  and is running on 1500 psi soooooooo


imagine 150 000 psi how fast will it spinn also i have just the cheepest bearings 9 bucks at tsc so frictionless bearings it will hit much higher speeds

this world is about to change

is

sorry bout the video buddy forgot his cam so today we shoot footage also i have damanged my cheep bearings already i timed the 1 min input and after i stop the input it takes 4min and 15 sec to stop spinning also i tryed to stop it with my foot as hard as i could push on it and could not even slow it down after it reached its speed from 1 min in put it has a lot of power 

is

a little late but  theres no rush on the vid

here is the vid on prototype#3

is

here is the vid

I am the one in the video and the person shooting the vido is JT another team member

this vid is the best 1 yet it is my 30lb turbine pictured all through this thred

is

i had to zip it so i could upload it use win rar to open it

it has begun

Whats next IST? what are we gonna hook this gizmo up to?

hello moab

this is whats next

i built this  started it yesterday after the vid shoots finished it today this is built with a router table and router of course and a cordless drill and 3 diffrent drill bits starting coils tomorrow sometime here the pics the mags you see in the pictures are 1"x .25" n38 neos the whole generator rotor weighs bout 4 lbs it is a 9" circle of 1" plexiglass with 16 magnets in it it is keyed to a 7/8" shaft cost me 15 bucks at tsc someone gave the magnets and i had the plexi  so cost 4 me was low also i used my turbine as a lathe at high speed with some sand paper to balance and buff the wheel it should spinn fairly smoth and not wobble too much the magnets are verry strong and it is super high speed the turbine so lots of copper if any one has any good ideas for coils please post them as im not sure what is the best way yet but i have somthing in mind that i will be trying to build tommorow also we have a roll of 24 gage copper wire solid and i will have 7 coils in total but 14 indivual coils wound in pairs but that is for tommorow im just trying this generator out this is not the 1 i designed for it orignaly

is

here is the front page of my video once i get it in it but i thought i would post it here first you tube is next then google video

is

here is the end page to my vid i have decided with the generator im working on for muy turbine right now will be the muller generator i will try that style first it will work it will be overunity and at  verry high speed should produce many more times out than in


is

Hi ISTEAM,
well built !
I just had a look at your videos.

In this moment it is more or less a flywheel which is powered by your water
pressure stream.

Will be interesting to see, if you hook up the generator how much
power  it will put out.

What again do you think the overunity effect will come from ?
Do you think you will need less water pressure power to drive this
than you can generate electrical power with the generator ?

How much power did your water pressure unit needed when you filmed this video ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

WOW!!!!!!!


i made my first electricty off of my turbine and wow!!!!!!!

i wound a verry simple coil and no steel core in fact ro core at all!!!!!!!!


and after less than 1 min input i had over 18v ac on my 1 coil i plan on building 30 coils for the pictured disc so far all testing shows than i can produce a VERRY HUGE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICTY!!!!!!


WHEN ALL WIRED UP IT SEAMS AS THOUGH I COULD MAKE OVER 600V


i was told that those magnets are capable of generating 2 amps each and there 64 magnets in my disc

is

To reiterate what Stephan already asked. How much electrical power does your water pressure unit need? Also, where do you think the "extra" power is coming from?

Remember, power is not voltage. 600volts at a few microamps is very little power.

the pressure washer you see in the video uses 110v ac @ 15 amps to operate it is pushing 1.6 gallons/min @ 1500 psi

where will the extra power come from

who knows

i think that i  will increase in power from the laque of friction from  the turbine remember that speed is power all by its self so i think that the power from the pressurized water hitting an almost frictionless flywheel converts the energy from pressure to spinn verry efficiently also once somthing is set in motion it tends to stay in motion or can be kept in motion with little input once i wind it up for 1 min it reaches its speed then take input away for 1.5 min then apply input agin for 30 sec and repeate im sure it will use less power to mantain its speed

all is variable i can add more weight to the turbine for more mechanical torque i can add less pressure for lower input power i can add more generators until i find the balance point where all works at a safe speed and desired output power is achieved 

i can change many things to make it work better

also remember i used 9$ bearings so what will happin if i use 1000$ berings
higher speed lower input  (less friction)

now that is about the turbine and about the generator there many overunity generators out there i have chose the muller but i have made changes to it i used 16 groups of 4 magnets  1" put them in a 9" disc i then designed and built my coils i used 200 turns of 22 gage solid copper wire and i built 15 coils for each side of the disc 30 in total each coil will make 20 + volts after 1 min of in put i have drawen some nice drawings of this generator it is verry simple and cheep to build i used no special tools to build it i will be poasting all drawings and finished pictures soon it is based on the muller generator but with my coils and layout my orignal goal was to build 2 generators 1 for each side but the costs of the magnets is slowing me down never the less i have almost finished the generator and it will do for testing pporpouses should make close to 600 volts at i dont know how many amps but i will garentee it will be amps not micro amps

pictures verry soon and many of them

is

here are the drawings i have been working on it is almost finished

Quotethere many overunity generators out there

I see..... Well, why bother with all the complication, mess and inefficiency of using water turbines then? just get any fairly high efficiency motor and connect directly to the "overunity generator"...........

yes acp im sure u could but i invented my turbine for highspeed that  any efficient electric motor could never compeate with IT WILL SPINN THE FASTEST ON EARTH!!!!!

MY TURBINE

is

if for some reason you dont beleave me then build it it is OPENSOURCE  you know

you could build a 20 lb turbine for less than 75 bucks test for yourself i am

Quoteyes acp im sure u could but i invented my turbine for highspeed that  any efficient electric motor could never compeate with IT WILL SPINN THE FASTEST ON EARTH!!!!!

you are forgetting that you need electric motors to create the high pressure water needed for your turbine.

I think you misunderstand me, I think your turbine is probably fairly inefficient and not because of lack of expensive bearings.

Quoteremember that speed is power all by its self

No, power is   strength * speed.

i do need electric motors now but with more reserch i can get away from electric motors i have other ideas many many  on how i could power it

acp

so u dont like water  here is a challange 4 u pick another fuel do not think for 1 second that this turbine will only run on a liquid under pressure

lol!!

im sure i can make this run on many sources of engery

also frictionless bearings are essencial to overunity when speed is your goal


btw speed is power the faster u spinn somthing the more power you have


ist!

Quotebtw speed is power the faster u spinn somthing the more power you have

you are wrong,  look here :   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque

Hi IST,
you are using 1650 Watts of  input power to spin a flywheel.

Now if you put a dragging generator to your flywheel which will
generate 2000 Watts of electrical output power you will need to put
much more input power into the flywheel all the time..

Probably you will need then at least a 3000 Watts of input power
for a bigger water stream
pump !

Where should the overunity come from ?
From the water hitting your flywheel blades ?

Do you think you will have something simular like in a Griggs hydrosonic pump ?
Sonofusion or something like this ?

Actually, Nasa have developed flywheel storage systems as possible replacements to batteries. They use magnetic bearings, and run in a vacuum. The report 50000 rpm. the limiting factor seems to be the tensile strength of the flywheels, which if exceeded, blow up, sending shrapnel flying like bullets. consequently they are encased in heavy steel cylinders and buried underground. They also have an efficiency rating of only 90%.

All i can say right now is im happy for nasa that is what they tell us.

stephan i have not seen what you mention but my turbine spins fast and the magnet disc has no drag from the coils because there is no steel in my cores they are air cores and they are off set 15 coils 16 magnet groups plus the weight of my turbine alone is 30 lbs and it will not stop easly once wound up and will spin and continue to spin with less input until max speed is achived form a given pressure but the entire time from set in motion it will make power and also i will soon be working with some large caps to help with the output and strain on the generator i was thinking about 1per pair of coils



btw ACP
thanks for the link read it b4 will read it agin it is good info but i still think that speed equates to power the faster it spins the better the output

This in my video is only 1500 psi and can turn almost any weight of fly wheel so if tourque is equal to weight of the rotating mass or is dirived form weight of spinning mass x speed of the turbine

humm

you do the math


is

Hi IS,
if you draw current from your coils you have counter EMF and counter magnet fields
and thus
back drag that will slow down your axis.
Normally, if your generator you will use is not over 100 % efficient, you must put more power
into rotating the blade flywheel, as you can get out of your generator.

If there is no special effect with the water hitting the blade flywheel and your
generator is under 100 % efficient, you will not get more power out there
than you put into it via your water stream pump.

Maybe you can first make a test how efficient your generator is,
by turning it with a conventional motor and thus measure its efficiency.

Regards, Stefan.

hello setephan

that is what i will find out building this unit also if there is a lot ogf backtorque with this generator im working with i will go back to the original design that has a un meaureable amount of backtorque

the faraday disc

is

sounds good IS. cant wait to see what you do next, Good luck to you. .M.

hi is

like your thread
what with the pic with no detail
want to build your type 3  unit need details

please

wer

hello wer and all


#3 is a waste of time for now it is more of a high volume lower pressure turbine right now im in to the speed

i recomend if you want to build and display your pics here you build the 1 in the picture below because it is cheep and easy to build and test with i used a grinder axel from tsc 2 cost 35 bucks also 2 9 buck bearings from tsc 1 skill saw blade 24 tooth  7.75" 5 bucks at canadian tire and 2 bell bar weights cast iorn from wall mart total weight around 21 lbs @ 1500 psi it reached speeds of 15 000 rpm  i am half finished building my generator a lot of work

is

pictures soon

as i said  soon here they are im only half finished.  thease are built from the drawings i posted been working long and hard on this if this dosent work its on to somthing else

is

wont know for sure till u try

hello wer and all

here is a drawing of prototype #4 it is an 8" circle all is perfectly spaced and ballanced this drawing is all you need to build #4 just print it off and use it as a pattern drill 4 .5 " holes in the cast iorn weights and and the skilsaw blade and bolt it all togather and spin it that is all i would like to see any pictures of any one who is also building this turbine so post them please!! i still see no reason why this will not work it spins that is all it needs to do and it spins fast my generator is getting closer to being finished but still much work to do on it my latest pic of the generator is below as well

is

hello all

it is a slow and long process for me but i will get there been working long days so verry little time on projects right now but im hoping next week will bring about a finished generator that i can hook up to my turbine and see what happins i would expect higher voltages from this unit also i was looking in walmart and it seams they have somthing neat for use with this turbine generator it is a car audio cap with read out cost is 50 cdn for 1 i was thinking of buying some and hooking them up to my coils anyone have any ideas on how many coils i could hook to 1 cap beacuse if i bought 1 for each pair of coils it could get kinda expencive but if i could hook up 3 pairs of coils to 1 cap then cost is much lower each coil should produce 20 -30 volts x 2 coils per mag group so 40 - 60 volts per pair of coils and there 15 pairs in total

dont know verry much about caps

any ideas on the caps  let me know

ist

hello all

i would like to welcome all to the basic model of the

FISLINGER POWER GENERATION SYSTEM

basicly what you all have seen is the simple version i have been playing around with many ideas in my head over the last 6 weeks for this system and i have come to the conclusion that it needs to be more efficient for all of you to beleave it is and will be overunity

so what i have decided to do after i compleat this current build is to make it better to do that this is what i will do i will lower input power by simply adding a gas powered presure washer maybe a 5 hp or so 2500 psi there bouts now it will not run on gas it will run on hydgron and the machine will have in it a hydgron on demand fuel cell built in to it 1 side of the turbine will have the generator i have almost finished building and the other side of the turbine will have  1 half of the filsinger redesinged n machine generator or simply a faraday disc generator that will then create the power for the fuel cell to make it operate and the other side will be only used for output ac power at high speed

now you all will say how can that ever work?

my answer is i think it will work but i will have to build it and see

the reason i say that is cuz the efficiency of the gas engine is poor 22 percent or there bouts but what is the efficiency of the fuel cell? also the pump is nowhere near unity so with all of those losses how can it be overunity the answer is as i beleave right now speed will make it overunity and the laque of friction will help it

for those of u that think that the turbine is verry inefficient how about this maybe im putting too much water in to it mabe it only needs 1L / min so if it did that alone will lower my in put power by a large amount i beleave this turbine runs on pressure  the more pressue the faster the spinn

the innovation station team!!

we are all going to find out soon

i will be making drawings of the second version of the

FILSINGER POWER GENERATION SYSTEM

in the next month  and be posting  the drawings for all to see

hello all

today i will see my .5 " 8"x8" copper squares for my n machine style generator for the last time they will be 7.75 " round copper discs the next time i see them they should be finished in 2 days machined to persision below is a picture of my 4 copper squares i bought them last november befor copper went up in price but they still cost me 600 cdn for the 4 peices total weight of all 4 was 40lbs

also about the caps i was talking about earlyer in this thred from walmart well i went and bought one today will start testing with it as soon as i finish the generator but here is a picture of the cap it cost 50 cdn at walmart i will try hooking up 1 pair -3 pairs of coils to 1 cap and i will also swith the power from ac to dc first and have some way to keep the power input to the cap  at around 12volts per cap any ideas would be awsome i know verry little about electronics


ist

hello all

just had some good ideas for the system


how about

THE TESLA SWITCH

but insted of a lite bulb and the 3 batteries i have a motor (the pressure washer)and want to make it run like the light bulb does in a tesla switch anyone with experience with a tesla switch sudjustions would be great or one could use the idea from free electricty via electrical means  found in half baked similar to a tesla switch and only recharge every so often and if u had 2 setups u could just switch from 1 to the other when the battery bank needs recharged


is

hello all

today i picked up my copper discs they are verry nice just have to get them keyed and i can then start building the original generator below is a picture of my copper and some brushes that a friend by the name of Mike gave to me i hope to soon put it all togather and test it out



my pictures it was too late last night so here they are today

is

hello agin all

i have taken the day off of work today it is too hot so


i will be assembling my generator today and taking pictures of it all togather here is a pic of where im at right now with it by tonight i should be able to make power from it


is

hello all


got it all togather but have not spun it yet need to do a bunch of wireing here is what it looks like

is

hello all

well i spun it


what you see in the above picture i hooked up 2 coils and i hooked up 1 coil and ran it and how much power did i make?

well with 1 coil hooked up after 1.5 min of input i had 24.6 volts on 1 coil then i hooker up 2 coils as a pair and how much did i get

i got 55.6 volts ok so i tryed to mesure amprage and no luck it would not read anything on the 10 amp setting also it only jumped around on the miliamps setting so im thinking that a while ago i blew up my meter  so im off to get a new meter and try agin but it has returned more voltage than i would have thought per pair of coils so now looks like im more like 800 volts or there abouts for this generator at im not sure how many amps so yes it turns this generator and yes it makes power

so  just build it and play with it .................... it will work!!

the innovation station team

hello all

i finished my wireing on my generator for my turbine it looks neat but i dont think i can achive overunity with this design as a generator only ;)

in other words it will not work for my turbine the way i eant it to so its on to the next 1 the faraday disc

but in playing with my last unit i have decided to change it a bit and build somthing else out of it it will be much like the muller motor generator all in one unit self powering should not be hard to make it run but i will be playing with it also some how my pressure washer died so i have to buy a new 1 to continue on my turbine

so its back to the original design

ist

here is a picture of my finished generator

hello all

sorry about the picture but i started a new thred for it  that will be  is where it rests for a while


but on to the original generator the n machine
now as me being me i like to keep thinking so i have came up with yet 1 more idea for the original generator and i can thank steven markx for this one  hehehehehehe THANK YOU STEVEN MARKX!!!!!

ok a while ago i was working on the tpu and the first time i got kicks from a coil i made it was cool but the way the coil was made was much kooler and i will be building some coils to try this out i wound many turns of wire around many turns of wire then i put steel welding wire on it and hooked it all as 1 wire then plused it so this is so awsome this idea in my opinion  well  that coil i made had a verry strong magnetic feild for the 5 volts i put into it i think some of you reading this so far are getting the idea but if not here it is i want to make 2 coils round with copper then wrap a diffrent gage of wire on top of it filll the ring ,the more winds the better the effect , then put my copper disc inside of the 2 coils like a oerio cookie and mount it all on a shaft and you spinn it and pluse the coils both at the same time and the kick back will also make a bigger magnetic feild the feild will go into the copper disc and i will not need to buy expencive strong neos i can then build any size magnet.  power it from a cap like the one above so it will be dubble overunity in 1 generator it is overunity because the coils take only a tinny bit of power to make a big magfeild and it is a farsday disc style generator with no backtorque plus i will have big spikes of magnetic engery go into the copper disc as i pluse the coils so on the kick back it will supper fuel the mag coils makeing much electricty and using only a little engery to power its self it will be hard for some to picture what im saying  but u will all see this 1 im sure it will work verry well

ok i have a secreat for some of you about the homopolar generator if you have tryed proof of concept tests on this genny and had poor results this might just be why `

what i am doing is putting oposing magnets togather so the magnetic shock wave will enter the copper disc at 90 deg because magnets are 3 dementinal  the feilds will cover the entire copper disc and all you have to do is scrape off the power with brushes sounds easy and verry kool


well this idea got my intrest so much im building the coils right now

ISTEAM!!                                             IDEA DATED           7/04/07-----------------8:03 PM


I HOPE ALL YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN        pictures and more ideas to follow

when i get this to work it will amaze most!!!!

MoaB and all you guys please add your thoughts i need help with this one i know it will be so big
we can build this any scale

calling on all who can and will help

william

well all

today i find out if the time is now to bake my first invention

and even if this funding falls through i will still work my way along on my own to get to where i must be

this will work there is only 1 reason it does not work now ;)

and that has been solved 

a big thank you for those of you who have helped and finished this for me

you know who your are

agin my deepest thanks

sincerly

william filsinger

 ;D

yep me agin

i just posted the filsinger turbine video on youtube finally got around to it 

here is the link  http://youtube.com/watch?v=Erf7Fn--324

l8rz

william

 :)

well bring it back home they say .....    lol


so be it ......


i will be updateing this thred in the next few days

hehehe.......


ist

first i will drop this picture here

closed system  POSITIVE FEED BACK LOOP

IST