Hello, I've been looking over the many designs posted all over the web, and I did some playing with magnets. As a direct result(5 months) I've designed a magnetmotor by my theory. Hope you like it.
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| The theory
In a1 the magnets attract another,
in a2 the magnets repel another.
In a3 the magnets both repel and attract resulting in a rotational pull.
The pull and the push are about the same size. Therefor the magnet at the left is almost infinitely more influenced by this interaction as the one at the right.
more about the theory (http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-theory) ☞
I find it to be a very solid theory if I may say so myself. But, for peeps who think "it cant be" I've made this ;D
it cant be (http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-it-cant-be) ☞
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Thanks for your review. I assume this concept has already been mentioned
but I didn't find it so far.
I can not find the Paul Monroe motor invention,
not worth enough to become listening ? :D
S
dL
Quote from: lancaIV on February 17, 2007, 09:55:20 PM
I can not find the Paul Monroe motor invention,
not worth enough to become listening ? :D
oh, yes haha the list is for decoration but I should probably add some more. Shame on me. :D
I do still have the blog. But I will get to it.
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/Factuurexpress?tag=magnetmotor&list=1
Hy "gaby",
nothing for "ungut",
we are all searcher,development tryer and "small Tech-Che"-s,
so there are many ways-but for the only-important target: freedom !
I can also listen Mr.Angus(motor,as reference: Kiniski) and the
"Lee"-magnet-ventil-motor,the Edenek Rys multiple-rotor-motor
and at least the Gerd Bode shielding-motor !
The concept has to be physically approved and usefull,
the construction price affordable !
S
dL
please look over the theory
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-theory
then do the 2 min replication:
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-it-cant-be
it's should be easy to make for some people here :)
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-drawing
needs a few flexible axles.
It seems similar the JL Naudin "push&pull" experiment !
To interact 360/2 degrees vertical forces with 360/2 degrees horizontal forces is ,indeed, also a configuration possibility !
S
dL
Quote from: lancaIV on February 17, 2007, 09:55:20 PM
Paul Monroe
Quote from: lancaIV on February 17, 2007, 10:36:45 PM
ungut
n Mr.Angus(motor,as reference: Kiniski)
"Lee"-magnet-ventil-motor,
the Edenek Rys multiple-rotor-motor
Gerd Bode shielding-motor
Quote from: lancaIV on February 17, 2007, 11:02:36 PM
JL Naudin "push&pull" experiment
Do you have a link for their promotion maybe?
It's as much your job as it is mine. hehehe ;D
I will look what I can find...
gaby,
Have you actually built one?
Rosphere
Quote from: Rosphere on February 18, 2007, 07:30:45 AMHave you actually built one?
hello anonymous,
Is this your review of my invention? ;D
I found this from you.
Quote from: Rosphere on February 18, 2007, 08:23:42 AMTo be convinced, the skeptical mind will need to rule out the slimmest possible use of any familiar energy sources.
At least be an open minded sceptic. And
actually make a reasonable review of my innovation.
QuoteBut these university-planted voices in my head.... ???
lol, I'm sure you are right, ever-since I published this invention I've been haunted by zombie scientists. Specially in dreams. They say:
"don't you know about the laws of thermodynamics... booo... woooo...." It's very scary. hahaha
But I have created and published the final theory. Isn't that bad enough? Who needs motors?
My logic is well developed.
For example:
I know that your opinion of the theory can only arise from reading the theory.
From this knowledge I derive that:
If you make your opinion from something else it can never be interesting, it's clearly the inferior judgement out of the 2 options you have.
For example2:
Even if you got to be 100% convinced I'm a flying hamster it changes nothing to the factuality of the actual theory. This kind of logic is only useful when there is no theory published.
As I did publish it you are fully capable of absorbing it's facts so you don't have to know how much engines I didn't build.
This is just to explain the rational thought of course.
here is how
you reproduce the effect
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-it-cant-be
have fun
Quote from: gaby de wilde on February 18, 2007, 03:05:07 PM
Quote from: Rosphere on February 18, 2007, 07:30:45 AMHave you actually built one?
hello anonymous,
Is this your review of my invention? ;D
I found this from you.
Quote from: Rosphere on February 18, 2007, 08:23:42 AMTo be convinced, the skeptical mind will need to rule out the slimmest possible use of any familiar energy sources.
At least be an open minded sceptic. And actually make a reasonable review of my innovation.
QuoteBut these university-planted voices in my head.... ???
lol, I'm sure you are right, ever-since I published this invention I've been haunted by zombie scientists. Specially in dreams. They say: "don't you know about the laws of thermodynamics... booo... woooo...." It's very scary. hahaha
But I have created and published the final theory. Isn't that bad enough? Who needs motors?
My logic is well developed.
For example:
I know that your opinion of the theory can only arise from reading the theory.
From this knowledge I derive that:
If you make your opinion from something else it can never be interesting, it's clearly the inferior judgement out of the 2 options you have.
For example2:
Even if you got to be 100% convinced I'm a flying hamster it changes nothing to the factuality of the actual theory. This kind of logic is only useful when there is no theory published.
As I did publish it you are fully capable of absorbing it's facts so you don't have to know how much engines I didn't build.
This is just to explain the rational thought of course.
here is how you reproduce the effect
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-it-cant-be
have fun
Well, I guess you told me. I am sorry that I ever doubted your theory. Have a nice day. :)
Four pictures and a video attached. :)
Hi gaby de wilde,
I believe this idea of yours is very innovative. I independently figured this out about a year ago and have made a few simple tests with the forces on a real (rough) wheel with real magnets. The results were interesting. When two poles faced with one, the resulting force was truly close to zero. I think it is not possible to accomplish an exact zero situation in reality, but close to zero... And unlike at a sticky spot the wheel passed it easily after a push. :)
In theory I am working on some more or less similar designs, and I think your idea is really a good way to try.
Bye,
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Four pictures and a video attached. :)
oh wow.......
lol, now I feel guilty for joking and for explaining the idea so badly.
In a closed loop 1 wheel with 2 magnets should be enough.(image at the left)
Also, a bit of mass (flywheel) could stabilise the speed some more.
Was the size of the air gap a result of experimentation or did it just end up that way? |
see? The primary magnets facing the side of the secondary do far more work as the other 2. My mistake sry.
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Good luck and thanks for restoring my faith in mankind. :D
P.S.
This does explain why I was dreaming of LEGO. ha-ha
Angus Motor: US4345174
Monroe: US3670189
Bode:US3895245
Rys:FR2112768
and last:
I please to excuse me,for lapsus,not Lee but Chiang:DE19605730
S
dL
p.s.: when we use a magnetic field viewer and see the neutral pole zone,
what do we actually now about this sphere/area ?
Quote from: gaby de wilde on February 20, 2007, 05:01:59 AM
oh wow.......
lol, now I feel guilty for joking and for explaining the idea so badly.
My actual experience in playing with this device showed me that this "push-pull" magnetic behavior has an overall "feel" of producing invisible gear teeth.
With the connecting shaft disengaged and both wheels free to move, I...
1. rotated the single magnet on the vertical axis by hand and observed the large wheel with four magnets and
2. rotated the large wheel with four magnets by hand and observed the single magnet on the vertical axis.
In both cases the free wheel spun to match the rotation of the driven wheel, almost as if four invisible, sloppy gear teeth were in play. The connecting shaft seems redundant. The connecting shaft has more than four sloppy teeth on it's gears, and they are visible. These connecting teeth just smooth out the response motion of the free wheel.
As can be seen in my video, it slows to a stop when spun in either direction. How is your replication progressing?
You might want to use better quality parts than I did.
I almost forgot to mention. I made sure that there was some back pressure between the wheels before I slid the connecting shaft gear into place. This had the effect of moving the wheel several degrees out from top-dead-center, as can be seen in the photos. It did not, however, continue running.
Perhaps if you used more magnets around the perimeter, each rotated into the face of the wheel by the same degree in which they are separated upon the face of the wheel making a full 360 for 360. Perhaps 16 separated by 22.5 degrees?
Good luck with that. :)
Quote from: Rosphere on February 20, 2007, 09:32:32 PMMy actual experience in playing with this device showed me that this "push-pull" magnetic behavior has an overall "feel" of producing invisible gear teeth.
With the connecting shaft disengaged and both wheels free to move, I...
1. rotated the single magnet on the vertical axis by hand and observed the large wheel with four magnets and
2. rotated the large wheel with four magnets by hand and observed the single magnet on the vertical axis.
In both cases the free wheel spun to match the rotation of the driven wheel, almost as if four invisible, sloppy gear teeth were in play. The connecting shaft seems redundant. The connecting shaft has more than four sloppy teeth on it's gears, and they are visible. These connecting teeth just smooth out the response motion of the free wheel.As can be seen in my video, it slows to a stop when spun in either direction.
The way you can rotate it in both directions is strange. Makes me think your gearing is wrong.
if the south pole is in front of the north and south it can only rotate in one direction.But looking at the marks on your magnets and the behaviour it look good. But it should only spin in one direction.
QuoteHow is your replication progressing?
This is the best evidence I have so far.
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-it-cant-be
I'm still thinking about it, I've changed the drawing every day so far. lol - The right axle and sprockets is fishy for the weaker/smaller magnets.
QuoteYou might want to use better quality parts than I did.
hehehe, yes but that doesn't go this fast. I think Lego is good physics now.
QuoteI almost forgot to mention. I made sure that there was some back pressure between the wheels before I slid the connecting shaft gear into place. This had the effect of moving the wheel several degrees out from top-dead-center, as can be seen in the photos. It did not, however, continue running.
Some back pressure should be 45 degrees. Maybe there still is hope. lol
QuotePerhaps if you used more magnets around the perimeter, each rotated into the face of the wheel by the same degree in which they are separated upon the face of the wheel making a full 360 for 360. Perhaps 16 separated by 22.5 degrees?
Good luck with that. :)
For a closed loop setup you can get rid of 2 magnets, the primary wheel only needs 2 magnets that directly face the secondary.
The photos show that.
I have removed my designs that where wrong and working at some new. :)
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-drawing
But plz do double check your apparatus.
I'm pretty sure about the single spinning direction.
*edit*
I've attached an image to illustrate how your wheel isn't perfectly pointing at the target. I had the same problem drawing it.
Quote from: lancaIV on February 20, 2007, 08:33:41 PM
Angus Motor: US4345174
Monroe: US3670189
Bode:US3895245
Rys:FR2112768
and last:
I please to excuse me,for lapsus,not Lee but Chiang:DE19605730
S
dL
p.s.: when we use a magnetic field viewer and see the neutral pole zone,
what do we actually now about this sphere/area ?
Ah, there is the promotion material. :D
esp@cenet document view (http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO8203300&F=0)
esp@cenet document view (http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?PRT=yes&DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO2004010567&F=0)
ELECTRIC MOTOR UTILIZING PERMANENT MAGNETS - Google Patents (http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3895245&id=ZekyAAAAEBAJ&dq=%223895245%22&jtp=1)
GATED PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR - Google Patents (http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3670189&id=2xw4AAAAEBAJ&dq=%223670189%22&jtp=1#PRA3-PA7,M1)
Electromagnetic engine - Google Patents (http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4345174&id=nA8yAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=4345174#PPA12,M1)
Thanks, Great stuff.
WO8203300 says 1 magnet is enough. :-)
<a href="http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO8203300&F=0">esp@cenet document view</a><br><a href="http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?PRT=yes&DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO2004010567&F=0">esp@cenet document view</a><br><a href="http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3895245&id=ZekyAAAAEBAJ&dq=%223895245%22&jtp=1">ELECTRIC MOTOR UTILIZING PERMANENT MAGNETS - Google Patents</a><br><a href="http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3670189&id=2xw4AAAAEBAJ&dq=%223670189%22&jtp=1#PRA3-PA7,M1">GATED PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR - Google Patents</a><br><a href="http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4345174&id=nA8yAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=4345174#PPA12,M1">Electromagnetic engine - Google Patents</a>
Hi Gaby, I'm Thomas from the Steorn forum. We've met there briefly.
Do you know what's up with Steorn? The new Steorn site is the pits, no info there, the log-in window is inactive. Is there any discussion about Steorn on this forum?
BTW I like your present design. I'm going to study it in depth. I used to be a PMM enthusiast, but Steorn turned me off.
You should build it.
PS I can tell you why it won't if you care to know ;)
Quote from: xpenzif on February 28, 2007, 03:46:03 PM
You should build it.
PS I can tell you why it won't if you care to know ;)
Hi,
I would care to know...
Thanks
Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on February 28, 2007, 06:08:16 PM
Quote from: xpenzif on February 28, 2007, 03:46:03 PM
You should build it.
PS I can tell you why it won't if you care to know ;)
Hi,
I would care to know...
Thanks
Gyula
Me Too!!!! ;)
Quote from: idnick on February 28, 2007, 07:32:05 PM
Quote from: gyulasun on February 28, 2007, 06:08:16 PM
Quote from: xpenzif on February 28, 2007, 03:46:03 PM
You should build it.
PS I can tell you why it won't if you care to know ;)
Hi,
I would care to know...
Thanks
Gyula
Me Too!!!! ;)
On the website gaby said:
"...the magnet at the left is almost infinitely more influenced by this interaction as the one at the right." (or in this pic, the magnet in the upper-left corner(which I will call the magnet on the shaft)).
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I will refer to the other things on the bottom and right as magnet wheels.
It takes more work to get to position a3 than he thinks(see pic below for what I mean by "a3" position). as the magnets on the wheel approach the magnet on the shaft, similar poles are resisting each other all the way until position a3 is achieved.
Then once in a3, the shaft magnet will want to spin 90 degrees. The torque with which it will rotate will not be much, as this is the area on the shaft magnet which the magnetic field is the weakest.
As the magnet wheels leave a3, opposite poles on the shaft and wheel will start to point towards each other and attract.
So this is why it won't work. Two sticky spots, and not enough torque from a3 to get past either of them. But hey, if you're convinced it will work, by all means build it. ;)
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Gaby...how do you REALLY feel?
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Gaby, seriousely your trolling your own thread.
Build a version in the way you believe it should work post a video/snapshots etc and then talk again.
Looking at your designs it should be fairly simple.
Sidenote: I`m not saying it does or does not work.
Gaby, A good rule I find useful.
If I'm feeling hot by somebody's response in a thread, I type my reply, save it and wait a day before posting it. Usually, reading my reply a day later, I find it necessary to tone it down quite a lot, or sometimes even think it not worthwhile to reply at all. We all respond somewhat irrationally when we are hot about something, and in this case, xpenzif is pulling your string and is probably enjoying the thread immensely.
Best regards
Albert
Albert
I think you're right ;)
From the "push and pull"-idea to magnet flux shielding and mechanical actuator :
www.chenyang-ism.com "Products-Magnetics" and their "Magnetic Assemblies"-page "Catalogue ..."(PDF) explain the force amplification factor -
using the "X-times sandwich-system" :
the DE19605730 magnet-motor process: a mechanical,shielded flux, actuator
S
dL
Quote from: elvarien on March 03, 2007, 01:59:12 AM
Gaby, seriousely your trolling your own thread.
I was being silly. You are right tho, it wasn't very funny.
Quote from: lancaIV on March 07, 2007, 09:29:36 PM
From the "push and pull"-idea to magnet flux shielding and mechanical actuator :
www.chenyang-ism.com "Products-Magnetics" and their "Magnetic Assemblies"-page "Catalogue ..."(PDF) explain the force amplification factor -
using the "X-times sandwich-system" :
the DE19605730 magnet-motor process: a mechanical,shielded flux, actuator
Interesting, I was looking at this.
http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html
I just made this page.
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/swichable-magnet
The same effect can probably be triggered on a micro scale. :)
I hear I should really be using toothed belts so I just add this drawing to illustrate the engineering problem. (kind of)
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http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor
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