http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGEsVaIftk
This is a very simple build at home free energy demonstration unit. It is built from a 1F 5.5v supercap sandwiched between 2 motor magnets with like poles facing. They are secured to the supercap with heat shrink tube, then a scaler winding around that and there you have it enjoy the video
Anyone else tried this? Looks pretty amazing to this zero point newb
I will try with the only capacitor i have 13v 1500uf, don't know if it's too big, i discharged the capacitor and taped 2 neo magnets around in attraction mode, i will see tomorrow!
Maybe in repulsion that can give better result too, ah i did not see you need to wrap wire arround it, i don't have wire lol!
anyway i will see without wire the result lol
wow it looks and sounds pretty simple to replicate :o
this is really nice stuff! ;)
.
with my capacitor without any wire after few hours it's going up to 9.3 mV
SHIT!
To those who know more about this stuff than I (Most of the members on this forum), could this be usable energy? Do more powerful magnets mean more power?
yes no wire, only capacitor + 2 little neo magnet + electric tape, but taked a long time to charge up, i was sleeping
prob with the wire it's going faster, we need other to check this, i am not good at electronic o.O :)
but my multimeter show this result and the last night i discharged the capacitor before going to sleep
i will check if it's continue to go up, in 4 hours i will post the result if sometinhg changed
@TheOne
In the video he says to put the magnets in repulsion mode, not in attraction mode as you have stated for your test.
Also, he did not mention the wire guage for his coil or number of wraps.
ok i added 2 others capacitor with my current test (without coil)
1 with attraction
1 with repulsion
1 with nothing
i will post the result in 1.5 hour
Quote from: TheOne on March 12, 2007, 12:13:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGEsVaIftk
This is a very simple build at home free energy demonstration unit. It is built from a 1F 5.5v supercap sandwiched between 2 motor magnets with like poles facing. They are secured to the supercap with heat shrink tube, then a scaler winding around that and there you have it enjoy the video
Many people do not have broadband or get youtube and google's video
services blocked. Do you have a link to a description and circuit diagram?
Paul.
I copy pasted the description on the first post, it's only that, i did not see any site related to this experiment sorry.
result:
approx 1.5 hours for repulsion/nomagnet mode
and 12 hours for the attraction mode
capacitor + attraction magnet = 10.6 mV (after 12 hours)
capacitor + repulsion magnet = 0.4 mV (after 1.5 hours)
capacitor + no magnet = 1.5 mV (after 1.5 hours)
they are something weird is my (capacitor - no magnet) alone generate more then the one using repulsion
i will post another result in 4 hours
it's still mV so it's not really impressive :) you need a lot of them to generate usefull current
capacitor + attraction magnet = 12.1 mV (after 17 hours)
capacitor + repulsion magnet = 1.8 mV (after 6.5 hours)
capacitor + no magnet = 2.2 mV (after 6.5 hours)
i don't know what conclude with this result so far :)
hmmm interesting,
any more results TheOne?
Hi Folks,
I am sorry to say but I simply doubt the 1F supercap has not been charged up before the video demo. If I am to believe 'vortexentity', then it was his friend who must have prepared it for him.
The video demo should have started as follows:
-show the measured zero or a max of few mV capacitor voltage at the start of the test
-place the magnets and coil as they wish and continuosly show the meter display how the voltage in the cap start increasing.
This was not videoed convincingly at all.
It is also possible that at the location it was made there is a high electromagnetic field from either a high power electric machine or broadcast station or similar source.
Tom Bearden wrote about an opposite experiment to do for one dollar, I quote:
>>>
A System Continuously Extracting Energy
from the Vacuum Can be Made for a Dollar
Nature readily provides bountiful sources of unending EM energy, free for the taking and using ? anywhere, anytime. They are called "charges" and "dipoles" ? and often, source charges and source dipoles.
As an example, simply place an electret or charged capacitor on a permanent magnet so that the electric field of the electret or capacitor and the magnetic field of the magnet are at right angles to each other. That silly thing will sit there and pour out EM energy in all directions, at the speed of light, so long as you just leave it alone and do not destroy it.
One year after you create it, its outpouring of energy will have reached a radius of one light year ? out beyond the solar system ? in all directions. It will have changed the energy density of that vast volume of surrounding space of one light-year radius. And it is still pouring out energy at the same rate, steadily changing the energy density of still more space.
<<<
I wish I knew how Mr Bearden thinks to sense or even to extract a tiny piece of energy from his suggested setup... Any ideas?
Regards
Gyula
PS You can find the quoted text from Bearden at this link:
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/bearden.htm
and it is true, his reference #20 is from a book:
"As an example, quoting Jed Z. Buchwald, From Maxwell to Microphysics, University of Chicago Press, Chicago and London, 1985, p. 44: "[Poynting's result] implies that a charged capacitor in a constant magnetic field which is not parallel to the electric field is the seat of energy flows even though all macroscopic phenomena are static."
Well i think it's simple enough to replicate, i don't have wire so other can try it instead of saying he cheat with his friend no?
btw here another result (12 hours after the last one)
capacitor + attraction magnet = 14.4 mV (after 29 hours)
capacitor + repulsion magnet = 3.4 mV (after 18.5 hours)
capacitor + no magnet = 3.8 mV (after 18.5 hours)
this experience is not right without the coil...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290092804164 super caps for sale. I don't feel so bad as I plugged the forum in my ad. (c:
I'm going to give this a try, and if it works I'll post a video on YouTube as well. Hope little neo magnets will work. Seems like I need a few setups:
no magnet
attraction, 0 degrees, no charge
repulsion, 0 degrees, no charge
attraction, 90 degrees, no charge
repulsion, 90 degrees, no charge
attraction, 0 degrees, charged
repulsion, 0 degrees, charged
attraction, 90 degrees, charged
repulsion, 90 degrees, charged
...does that cover it? I'll charge them up to 2 volts and then see if it goes up from there.
you need scaler coil around the magnet and capacitor, something i don't have, i dont even know what a scaler coil is :)
Maybe the same as a Caduseus Coil:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm
There are some very "interesting" links if you google for "scalar coil" (use quotes).
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22scalar+coil%22
The scaler coil is simply 2 coils intersecting at 90 degrees from one another. There is only about 12 turns on each and they are wired together to form a scaler field. Scaler is non-Hertzian wave or one in which the field is canceled but current is still found to be drained from the system. The theory is that this energy while not visible or measurable due to its shape is till present and effects matter on the quantum level.
At least that is my understanding of it.
In the case of these 2 coils they are wrapped around the magnets axis not around the capacitors axis.
The magnets should be selected so as to completely cover the capacitor. The reason for my choice of a super cap was that they have a high capacity and are carbon based. Others might work as well but have not tried them yet.
We plan to make some other attempts and will publish them as well.
Quote from: TheOne on March 13, 2007, 09:00:45 AM
Well i think it's simple enough to replicate, i don't have wire so other can try it instead of saying he cheat with his friend no?
btw here another result (12 hours after the last one)
capacitor + attraction magnet = 14.4 mV (after 29 hours)
capacitor + repulsion magnet = 3.4 mV (after 18.5 hours)
capacitor + no magnet = 3.8 mV (after 18.5 hours)
this experience is not right without the coil...
Hi
tempted by triviality I also tried it and yes it does veeerry slooow charge capacitor in my case ~ 1mV per 2 hours.
20:19 0.05mV
21:11 0.58mV
22:59 1.26mV
23:03 1.30mV
23:19 1.40mV
Below my setup with 6 x cubic neos N48 in atraction. :)
Marcel
The coil has no effect in the system it seems. The purpose for them was for future experiments using various RF frequencies.
Whats all the exitement about? Caps have long been known to charg them selves. Ive pulled new caps out of the box and been zapped even when the cap has never been hooked to any power, Ever..Kinda neat but not a new discovery. If any thing your getting RF Bleed.
Hello, my first time posting here! ;D
If caps charge them selves, then where is the energy coming from? I'm still in high school, but in intro to engineering we played with electrical parts and I've never gotten shocked by a capacitor. So whats up?
HopeForHumanity.
Quote from: HopeForHumanity on March 13, 2007, 08:07:36 PM
Hello, my first time posting here! ;D
If caps charge them selves, then where is the energy coming from? I'm still in high school, but in intro to engineering we played with electrical parts and I've never gotten shocked by a capacitor. So whats up?
HopeForHumanity.
I said they CAN charge. not that all will or do. But it is true. wen working around Big caps i was told many years ago to treat every cap as fully charged. even if it is new. Im not talking about baby caps here i mean big heart stoppers. :o As to why, there is many ideas, some proven some not. you guys are seeing milivolts in baby caps. so i think it is not OU or FE, Just my .o2
Keep messing around, get some bigger caps try your luck. do it long enough yul be a believer. ;)
We are working on some other stuff that is far more interesting but this is one of those things I really wanted to see if it was true. One of those rumors that you just need to check out for yourself.
We do intend to keep playing with it.
let's power our home with a big array of 100000000000000 super capacitors!!!
If the energy isn't coming from a known source, or taking from a battery or outlet, then doesn't it have to be OU? This seems confusing to me, because if we have known that capacitors have been charging them selves, then why havn't we figured out why or put them to use? ???
the main problem is you cannot do anything with this amount of current, mV is 1/1000 of one volt, and take long time to charge up
but the one with scaler coil seam to be the faster way to charge the capacitor, without coil it's seam to take longer, my capacitor with 2 magnet in attraction is now at 16 mV, it's very low after 2 days, you cannot do anything with it :)
but having 1000000000000000000 of them maybe we can think about doing something
If you get it to charge faster, could you use it to aid other OU devices?
i cannot say, i think not, you prob need usefull amount of electricity for this claim ?
Capacitors Capacitors !
Strange things these.
I had been noticiing over the past year or so that the small capacitors that I have laying around the shop would pickup charges somehow. I figured it was from the static electricity in the air or something or maybe electromagnetic waves from the household appliances possibly. Interesting fact though in itself for sure.
I have several small 16V 22000uf capacitors and so thought I would try this new little test posted here in this thread.
First I had made sure to dump the charges in two identical capacitors. I taped on 2 cheap common ceramic magnets on either side of one of the capacitors in attraction mode. I put nothing on the other other capacitors and left them a while. After about 4 hrs the reading on the capacitor with no magnets was 0.03 volts . Wow! not bad for doing nothing.
The capacitor with the magnets read 0.15 volts or 5 times the stored electricity as the other in the same time period.
hmmm...how about that? Now to scale this all up to some usefull power....
Best Regards,
I think the experiment was useful in that it gave us some insight into the strange behavior of caps in a strong magnetic field. The experiment was done to satisfy our curiosity concerning the phenomena. If you do some replications that have some interesting effects consider uploading a video if it to youtube as we did.
We did the obvious controls as well. All were identical caps with identical values. I got a deal of a bunch of .47f and 1f 5.5v supercaps. They are small and have a very large charge collection surface area and happen to be the right size to be covered up nicely by neo magnets.
First experiment the recently fully discharged cap with no magnetic field around was tested. Some charge like .3mv or less but did not bounce back further than that no matter if we waited a day or so in testing. The second test was with 2 neos rated at N35 1/2" by 1/2". This experiment resulted in 3.4mv maximum and took several hours to bounce back up to that level.
The third and final one of that series was the one in the youtube video. We simply put the coils around it and taped over them to keep them from slipping off in testing. This one charges up to a max of about 5.8mv.
The tests included both repulsion and attraction orientations but did not include testing from the leads at 90 degrees from the magnets as has been done in some of your test replications.
We also thought we should next try a very small diode between them in series to see if we can get them to dump their energy to their neighbor creating a kind of ladder circuit to multiply the voltage to a useful level.
That is the next test most likely.
Hi-
Yup, strangely capacitors do charge up somewhat if they just sit around. Still, I think that is a pretty cool fact in itself and probably is "free energy" already on its own- no? after all we aren't doing anything to get the energy except to set a discharged capacitor on a bench and wait a while - no big deal right?
Now it seems and some of us agree(mramos for example) who have tried the experiment that there is a 5 fold increase in the voltage stored in a capacitor that has magnets attached to it. This is without even bothering to try with all of the fancy coil business yet. Talk about an efficiency improvement - a mere 500% ! :o
I gave you all wrong information on the time line to charge these things by the way. Sorry about that! - after 5 hrs my capacitor with the magnets has charged to 0.05 volts. The untreated capacitor has charged to 0.015 volts so far during the same period. At this rate it will take some 15 hrs to reach the 0.15 volts I achieved before unless of course it peaks out somewhere along the line as I suspect it might. My cheapo multi meter is crap but still it effectively demonstrates the difference between the energy stored in the capacitors with or without magnets.
Now this is just tiny amounts of energy we managed to grab for free to be sure but it probably demonstrates an important energy source out there that has great potential. I mean give me a break, my capacitor is 1and1/2 inches long by 3/4 inch wide- I hardly expect it to power a car! It's kinda like expecting a 1200 ma 1.5 volt battery to run your refrigerator or something. Now if that battery was as big as a pickup truck and had say 10,000 amps you'd really have some serious power!
The energy formula for what is stored in capacitors if I remember right is E = 1/2CV2. Now with the rates of charge info that experimenters are already submitting in this thread then one could easily calculate the required capacitor setups for the energy needed for whatever purpose. So then what would happen if we have many many little capacitors hooked in series (or in parallel) or even had one giant capacitor and magnets the size of a house?! ...oh my..!
Just wondering... ::)
Happy experimenting all and Best Regards,
Hi Folks,
When I wrote my previous letter with mainly a negative opinion (message #17 in this thread), I made a mistake in my mind in believing the measured voltages displayed by the DVMs are of Volt order, sorry for this. By now I realized the shown voltages are of mV order which has made peace in my mind, in the video presentation the mV order of the display is clearly referred to. (I goofed in believing of the voltage in the capacitor climbs up to around 5V, then after discharging it climbs up again to 3-4V.)
I found a possible explanation for this phenomena, see this text from the link: ( http://www.answers.com/topic/electrolytic-capacitor )
"Dielectric absorption (soakage)
In the construction of long-time-constant integrators, it is important that the capacitor will not retain a residual charge when shorted. This phenomenon of unwanted charge storage is called dielectric absorption or soakage, and it effectively creates a memory effect in the capacitor. This is a non-linear phenomenon, and is also important when building very low distortion filters. This is also why, for safety, high voltage capacitors are stored with their terminals short circuited."
This explanation is also of interest here from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permittivity :
"...dielectric absorption refers to the inability of a capacitor that has been charged for a long time to completely discharge when briefly discharged. Although an ideal capacitor would remain at zero volts after being discharged, real capacitors will develop a small voltage, a phenomenon that is also called soakage or battery action. For some dielectrics, such as many polymer films, the resulting voltage may be less than 1-2% of the original voltage. However, it can be as much as 15 - 25% in the case of electrolytic capacitors or supercapacitors."
Further info on soakage is here:
http://www.national.com/rap/Application/0,1570,28,00.html and here:
http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=6096
So I think the tests you all are making can be influenced by this phenomena and must be accounted for in evaluating your results.
Thanks and sorry again for my goofing.
Gyula
Interesting; however, it doesn't explain why the attracting magnets version charges faster than the one without it. I think this could be a very interesting research exploration. ;D
Quote from: Moab on March 13, 2007, 07:22:04 PM
Whats all the exitement about? Caps have long been known to charg them selves. Ive pulled new caps out of the box and been zapped even when the cap has never been hooked to any power, Ever..Kinda neat but not a new discovery. If any thing your getting RF Bleed.
I tend to agree on this. And what happens when you try to extract the energy from the cap?? put A LOAD on it hook an inverter to it!
Ring
I am getting your effect, TheOne. Very variable results, though.
It must matter if the cap is a flat type or spirally wound.
I wonder if we should be making our own caps out of silver foil
and grease proof paper, if only to be sure that we know what
is going on inside.
Could there be a Michael Faraday/homopolar generator effect
happening as the magnet is moved into position?
Paul.
Great info and points by gyulasun-
Just prooves out what mramos said in regards to things depending on how the caps were previously charged etc. I have noticed myself that one must spend repeated efforts to completely discharge the caps first because otherwise the voltages bounces back quickly. Well, that could be good some may think but then may not be giving you the true results of what is actually happening. This is a very important factor to consider when testing to make sure you have made sure the caps are completely discharged before commencing another round of tests. Thanks to gyulasun for the tech info in that regard.
On my batch of small caps I find that all the caps will pick up a charge but not as quickly as the ones with the magnets in attraction mode. The ones with the magnets charge quicker and are from 3 to 5 times more in voltage. But this is only over about 24 hr periods so I don't know what would happen over say a week or two.
All caps are not created equal even the same brand and same specs. Today I tested 3 caps 2 inches in diameter by 4 inches tall. 35 volt and 22,000uf. I made sure they were discharged thoroughly. I put the tiny ceramic magnets on one cap and just let the other two go without anything. At first it seemed the ones with the magnets were gaining more and faster then the others but after an hour or two, the one with the magnet and one of the ones without a magnet were the same. They certainly performed much faster and larger increases compared to the smaller 16volt- 22,000uf capacitors I tested previously. So the tiny magnets didn't seem to have much of an effect on these larger sized caps.(or else I need bigger magnets perhaps)
Ok though here is the weird thing - one of those three 35 volt caps mentioned above is kinda gone off on its own thing. First off the voltage was 4 times the other ones and it had no magnets or anything else. Weirder still was the polarity was reversed. So to read the meter I had to connect the leads opposite to normal. The only thing different I realized afterwards was that there were two nickel plated aligator clips attached to the cap terminals that I put on a long time ago for some other project. Could they have acted as a pickup antenna or what I don't know? reverse polarity? I don't know what is up there.
Now I have started all over again - switched all the capacitors around(the 3 bigger ones), put the alligator clips on another of the caps to see what happens. The psycho cap has no clips, no magnets and is just as is now. In just half an hour the other caps are almost registering nothing in voltage but the weird cap is already up to 0.08 volts. AND this time his polarity is correct.
I must of fried this cap in some other experiment at one time or what I don't know or it was damaged from the beggining. Whatever it was it behaves different then the others of the same brand and specs so the point is that not all caps are created equal. This one though happens to be screwed up in a interesting way.
I saw mentioned once where a guy used long wires strung outdoors to capture static electricity and then it was connected to capacitors which when became full were discharged to a storage battery. Maybe our caps are just picking up static electricity? Well what the heck it's not too esoteric but it's free electricity nonetheless.
So, maybe some could give a go at attaching different antenna gizmos to their caps and see how they charge then?
Best Regards,
It would be pretty sweet if we could create our own caps; maybe figure out a way to make them charge very fast. :o
I noticed a fair bit of information on the net about building your own capacitors. It is almost always for the high voltage crowd that want to save money and to build stun gun weapondry and the like. Shouldn't be too complex for us guys to build our own since we just want some useful voltage like say the common 12 volts and some amperage that one could actually do something with. For home use then really big sized ones shouldn't be a problem since we aren't trying to cram it into a computer circuit or something similar. Give us low volts and big amps please :D There are formulas around on the net for what is required to achieve this and so the calculations can be used to design appropriate capacitors. A lot of the materials used are common and cheap too.
One thing no one has disputed yet is the fact that capacitors pick up and store charge from the atmosphere somehow. Magnetics seem to be able to play a role in it too.
It's already proven free energy but we need to know why and how it's gathering the energy and to get systems developed where one can get some 'useful' energy out of it.
Best Regards,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=413sLpBzAB8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=413sLpBzAB8)
Just uploaded may not be processed at first try.
The video linked above includes the second test after the initial video to take into account the size of the magnetic field to the supercap used. In this experiment the supercap is a .47f 5.5V with 2 x 1/2" x 1/4" neo magnets in repulsion orientation mounted over its ends. The cap is protected by shrink wrap. The leads in this case are some small magnet wire due to the very small surface of the supercap leads.
Ah, cool, i did not see you are the owner of the first video :)
Quote from: HopeForHumanity on March 15, 2007, 01:48:15 PM
It would be pretty sweet if we could create our own caps; maybe figure out a way to make them charge very fast. :o
...and, by Jove, we can:
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/circ/hv/hvcap/hvcap.html
Note the difference between the stacked flat ones in the section
called "construction requirements" as opposed to the "roll-up
design". The magnetic field will affect these types very differently.
Paul.
hmmm... I still think this capacitor charging would be most useful with other overunity devices. Make it charge fast then let it kick in to give it that extra boost. Of coarse we need to get it to useful levels.
just for reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_capacitor
A array of super capacitor generators; that would be cool. I wish I could get some parts. :(
There is an intriguing capacitor which consists of layers of
thin sheets of copper/perspex/aluminium. The layers keep
repeating c/p/a/c/p/a/c/p/a etc etc. It is on Page 8 of this
fascinating 28 page PDF file from Patrick Kelly:
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/patrickkelly/D3.pdf
When inserted into a magnetic field, it gives high voltage
across it.
Paul.
Paul-R-
So what do you think? are all of the copper plates connected to each other and then all of the aluminum plates connected with each other or?? I am supposing that they are, right? and then if so could one get the same results using only two large plates, one of aluminum and the other of copper and both covered in neo magnets?
Anyone going to give this one a try out?
thanks for posting it.
It seems to have a connection around the edges or else
this is just a border feature on a jpeg image. I will try
and get Patrick J Kelly involved. He is on the warecar
or hydroxy Yahoo group.
Paul.
Quote from: FreeEnergy on March 12, 2007, 01:38:21 AM
wow it looks and sounds pretty simple to replicate :o
Not so fast! I bet this guy will claim that you must have some non-replicable "secretium" and "stuffium" to make this work ;D
Br.
Vidar
lol
any news on this? i heard people tried but nothing?
BTW: The capacitor on page 8 in the document linked previously, looks quite similar to Lithium Polymer batteries. They consists of many sheets of metal with a carbon coating on, and a polymer as insulator between them. All metal sheets are connected together, and I think the other pole is the carbon. Maybe a Li-Po battery could be used as capacitor?
I have a lot of neos to test with, and also Li-Po batteries for my RC- airplanes. What I have discovered regarding Li-Pos, is when they are pressed together, they increase the output....maybe off topic.
Br.
Vidar
Quote from: pg46 on March 25, 2007, 11:25:14 AM
Paul-R-
So what do you think? are all of the copper plates connected to each other and then all of the aluminum plates connected with each other or??
I have no idea. Cheap Al foil is easy to find. Copper foil not so. Nor
is the plastic foil. I think we need to try every different way and
see what gives any sort of result.
Paul.
I keep seeing everyone amazed at the charging of a capacitor from nowhere. Some have commented that it is RF bleed.
But my question is this.. Why are you testing the cap? Bearden indicated, and someone else posted the info:
Quote from: gyulasun on March 13, 2007, 07:23:01 AM
PS You can find the quoted text from Bearden at this link:
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/bearden.htm
and it is true, his reference #20 is from a book:
"As an example, quoting Jed Z. Buchwald, From Maxwell to Microphysics, University of Chicago Press, Chicago and London, 1985, p. 44: "[Poynting's result] implies that a charged capacitor in a constant magnetic field which is not parallel to the electric field is the seat of energy flows even though all macroscopic phenomena are static."
that the cap should be fully charged. If a cap is fully charged and the field exists from the magnets, then a field should be induced on the plates of the cap. If the cap pushes back because it is charged then a field would be induced in the coild surrounding the magnets. If that be the case then it would be reasonable to assume that the coil acts as the secondary on a transformer and the cap+magnet is the primary. The same energy that is charging the cap right now should try to permeate the plates of the cap to attempt to charge it. If it is charged and cannot physically accept more charge but it's leads give it nowhere to discharge, a dielectric breakdown would normally occur, but since the magnets/coils give an avenue to absorb this energy by induction (path of least resistance maybe?) then the transfer (and possible amplification depending upon the coil) should occur to the leads of the coils.
Does that seem logical or am I just confused, or even out of my freakin mind...? ;)
so does it have to be a super cap or just a regular cap?
Hi All,
I did this super Cap. experiment, result is mini-Volt could be read. It is because the digital Volt meter has a very little bias current to be charged up to the Cap. Therefore the magic power source is your (digital Volt meter). If use the high impedance good needle volt meter that does not included electronics will not have the effect. The magnet is unnecessary, it is only a tool in the magic show.
not too sure about that. I did the test last night and sure enough the cap charged .5volts.
I discharged the cap after i removed it from the magnetic field and read the voltage with the volt meter and it read .1mv
Quote from: tosky on May 01, 2007, 02:09:04 PM
Hi All,
I did this super Cap. experiment, result is mini-Volt could be read. It is because the digital Volt meter has a very little bias current to be charged up to the Cap. Therefore the magic power source is your (digital Volt meter). If use the high impedance good needle volt meter that does not included electronics will not have the effect. The magnet is unnecessary, it is only a tool in the magic show.
I used a 3300uf 50v Cap out of a computer power supply...worked for me. and 2 magnets from a microwave magnetron.
Quote from: FreeEnergy on April 30, 2007, 03:43:42 PM
so does it have to be a super cap or just a regular cap?
Quote from: tosky on May 01, 2007, 02:09:04 PM
Hi All,
I did this super Cap. experiment, result is mini-Volt could be read. It is because the digital Volt meter has a very little bias current to be charged up to the Cap. Therefore the magic power source is your (digital Volt meter). If use the high impedance good needle volt meter that does not included electronics will not have the effect. The magnet is unnecessary, it is only a tool in the magic show.
Yes, I guess there is voltage coming from your meter but its as hkyle says it behaves different over a greater period of time which should void the meter power theory. I have dangled a strip of aluminum foil off of the positive lead on the capacitors and it collected power quicker then using the weak ceramic magnets I had. I think its collecting RF energy or some such thing from the atmoshpere. Therefore if your antenna(collector) is long enough and your capacitor(storage) is big enough then eventually you will wind up with some "free" usuable power without any doubt.
In fact there are system designs posted on the web here and there about this very thing. I will post it if I find it again.
This thing gtarrant is talking about, well now that is a different thing altogether. Anybody going to give that one a try?
All The Best,
Here is one version- not sure it is related to what this thread is about but here it is anyways
http://icestuff.com/~energy21/capcharg.html
guys says 200 FT of insulated wire will fully charge a deep cycle battery in a couple of days. Now that there is a bit more useful energy if true -
Best,
and here is another diagram from a researcher over at oupower.com just scroll down until you find it there amongst some of his other works.
http://www.oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/thrival/electronics
Hello All,
One way can find out if I was wrong, First discarge the cap. then do the same charge up experiment with the magnet and cap. but (without the digital meter) for many days. It should be charged much energy. Then measure it with a (needle type volt meter). If it very work it should have something.
I suggest to use the double-blind test for comparison.
I believe to use the antenna may capture energy because it is the same as solar cell panel. But less energy as small scale.
Just a thought, but the direction of current flow creates a magnetic field around a copper wire.
Does creating a magnetic field around a conductor create current?
Are the capacitors contents being charged by the magnetic field created by the magnets?
Perhaps it is not the capacitor as such, but its internal conductors...
I had another observation to make but I forgot in the time it took to write this!
Er, I think you would likely get the same results without the magnets. Someone should make a more scientific video.
Remembered it!
Would the Earths magnetism charge a capacitor normally?
Just some questions that a comment or two might help me work through...
The device from icestuff is wrong in designg
Schematic . i seen that + an S must be change in contact wirings !!!
the schematic from oupower shon right !!
an electrotastoc charge will upload the antenna wire (sometimes )
if the voltage comes over 1000Volt (djustabes on the spark-gap
. So the voltage will discharge (by fireing the spark) via the
(ignion)-transformer low voltage peaks to the battery.
i think it will take an lot of time to fill an 1 KW car battery.
12v 84 Ah are equivalent to 1 KW Energy
Pese
www.pese.cjb.net
Quote from: pg46 on May 08, 2007, 01:43:33 PM
and here is another diagram from a researcher over at oupower.com just scroll down until you find it there amongst some of his other works.
http://www.oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/thrival/electronics
If the capacitors that charge in a magnetic field are linked through transistors, then some useful current may be moved along.
Like a pyramid, the capacitors at the bottom boosting the layer above, until it reaches the top, where some useful current can be gained.
The more I think about it, solid state energy manipulation beats mechanical devices in the race for a renewable energy source.
...and this thought just won't go away, "Does creating a magnetic field around a (pair of) conductor(s) create current?"
A single conductor would be two conductors permanently shorted, and no detectable current. But a pair of conductors in the same magnetic field would have current.
A complete electrical circuit is surrounded by a single, whole, magnetic field.
Why not create the magnetic field, and induce current...
http://amasci.com/amateur/transis.html (http://amasci.com/amateur/transis.html)
Long winded, but clever.
Can any one else see the application of self charging capacitors and transistors?
I will shoot off to Denden Town soon, and buy some gear to test out this avenue...
http://amasci.com/emotor/cap1.html (http://amasci.com/emotor/cap1.html)
There is some good info for helping understanding 'capacitance'.
OK, I went to Denden Town and bought some gear.
I want to replicate the magnetised capacitors.
First I will start documenting this experiment, beginning with the items I purchased, blah blah...
This will take time to do properly, I want to make stills and video.
What I bought is in the plastic, and I will show each stage from unwrapping the material and tools, testing for residual voltages, etc...
I will try 4 combinations with one control for each. I think that this is enough for now. If there are any positive results from this initial experiment, I will invest a little more effort in a second stage experiment.
As for now, I am tired from shopping, so it is time for a beer.
I'll make some kind of effort tomorrow.
PS While sitting in the train station, I thought that an EMP does a great job of demagnetising things; no magnetism, no electrical circuits, no current. Magnetism and electrical energy are more than a curious relationship. They are inextricably entwined.
Grim,
If you're going to work with magnets and capacitors you might find the TMB experiments by Ron Stifler of use.
http://www.drstiffler.com/tmb.asp (http://www.drstiffler.com/tmb.asp)
tak
Great link :) I think I can pick some good stuff out of it.
I unwrapped a couple of new capacitors, and a new meter.
I insulated the caps from myself, and tested for residual volatge, shorted them with clips, and watched the voltage increase.
50V 3300uF. Takes about 10 minutes to gain 10 mA. Over that short amount of time, I tried a cap with neo magnets, and didn't notice a difference in voltage gain. I checked for uA, and got a wee burst, but too quick to pin down the quantity. I think I saw a 20uA peak.
A little disappointed with the lack of action from the neo cap.
However the fact remains that the caps are self charging. Without magnetic influence. I didn't want to discover that really, but never mind.
I took a bunch of stills and video, but there is nothing new to show, so I will not bother sharing it.
Me think more...
50v 3300uF. Two in parallel.
From 25mV I got 250uA, for about 1 second.
Really should have splashed out the extra 50 bucks and got a multimeter with a pc link... :'(
50V 3300uF. Two in parallel.
From 32mV I got 1910uA(1.91mA), for about 1-2 seconds.
My kingdom for a pc link multimeter!
...and a little while later...29.6mV gave 1270uA(1.27mA)...
There is a huge burial mound next to my house. I am going to take my gear there and test the caps again on top of the hill.
1 Out of the house, thats good.
2a In line of sight of the multitude of transmitters around Osaka, not really good.
2b Technology of the ancients buried along with the king in the hill next door compromising my experiment... probably deserves it's own thread, hehe.
Back soon...
...and back again... The caps charged up at the same sort of rate up on the hill, in a different EM environment from the house. 20 mV for about 1.5mA
I am happy to continue toying around in the house, and am not too worried about the EM environment now. I made another video, because I am sure the skeptics here are sure to ignore my charging caps, and pounce on 'You don't really live next to an ancient burial tomb!' :D
Testing the caps for current, I left the test leads on after they discharged.
The two caps in parallel provide 0.1uA constantly. I know that is on the thresh hold of my meters capability, so I tried it with one cap, and I get a zero reading. I guess that the two caps are just making it onto the meters scale.
So, I am very likely getting constant current from my capacitors.
OK, I have two caps set up differently.
One has two 12mm dia neos in repulsion.
The other has two 30mm dia black magnets in repulsion.
(Remember I tried attraction with the neos, but got no discernable difference between the mag cap, and the normal one.)
Guess which is charging faster?
The 30mm magnet cap. Ratio is 12mV to 9mV so far...(10 minutes)
...19mV to 13mV (15 minutes)
...24mV to 16mV, I lost track of the time, what ever.
...39mV to 26mV... :o
...56mV to 37mV...
...81mV to 54mV...
...101mV to 68mV.
OK, now I will try balancing the caps, a la the following post, and see how the magnet caps charge from a balanced start.
By the way the time that I originally posted this, and the last edit time is roughly the duration of this experiment.
50V 1000uF, two of.
I checked the voltage when I unwrapped them. A= 3mV B=10mV
I discharged them and have set them up to see if one will consistently charge faster than the other. I will try two charge cycles to see if it is a permanent memory from new.
I am noting time for this experiment.
If one does charge faster, then I will stick a pair of 30mm black magnets in repulsion to the slow one, and see if that will speed it up or not...
That leaves me with the fast one as a reference/control.
This all might sound a bit half arsed, but I have two more sets of caps to work with today, to try and replicate this mornings work...
...15 minutes later...
I figured out how to balance the two capacitors so they seem to charge at the same rate.
I was using wire with clips on the end to short the caps out, but one cap or the other would become fast or slow.
So I touched one caps wires against the second caps wires and rubbed them together a bit, then did it again, using the opposite poles on one cap. Result, balanced caps. Score another point for tomfoolery.
Well, I am ready to throw the magnets on capacitors out the window.
I swapped the neo and black magnets around on the two 50V 3300uF capacitors, and what do you know...?
They still charge at their relative speeds, regardless of which type of magnet is on which.
The two 50V 1000uF capacitors, one with a pair of black magnets, and one with no magnets, I can't affect their charging speed.
Current is not enhanced either. Same relative current.
Sooooooo, I am left with capacitors that still self charge, not being influenced by magnetism.
A note though, the 1000uF caps charge faster than the 3300uF. That is the voltage rises quicker in smaller uF capacity caps.
I intend to through the bathwater out, if any one can see any babies in there, say something. Otherwise I am dropping the magnetism thing for now, and will look at what different caps can provide me with a bigger bang, and how to start collecting and boosting their meager voltage.
Note: After cleaning all the hot glue off my capacitors and magnets, I am leaving them to 'charge' over night. The balance thing didn't work, after many attempts, so I am really back to the start. The phenomenon of charging caps... some charge faster than others...
Quote from: Grim on October 31, 2007, 02:41:56 AM
Well, I am ready to throw the magnets on capacitors out the window.
I swapped the neo and black magnets around on the two 50V 3300uF capacitors, and what do you know...?
They still charge at their relative speeds, regardless of which type of magnet is on which.
The two 50V 1000uF capacitors, one with a pair of black magnets, and one with no magnets, I can't affect their charging speed.
Current is not enhanced either. Same relative current.
Sooooooo, I am left with capacitors that still self charge, not being influenced by magnetism.
A note though, the 1000uF caps charge faster than the 3300uF. That is the voltage rises quicker in smaller uF capacity caps.
I intend to through the bathwater out, if any one can see any babies in there, say something. Otherwise I am dropping the magnetism thing for now, and will look at what different caps can provide me with a bigger bang, and how to start collecting and boosting their meager voltage.
Note: After cleaning all the hot glue off my capacitors and magnets, I am leaving them to 'charge' over night. The balance thing didn't work, after many attempts, so I am really back to the start. The phenomenon of charging caps... some charge faster than others...
Capacitors will allways "recharge" after you have used all the power in them. At least electrolytic capacitors does. Polypropylene capacitors does not recharge.
Vidar
Someone posted a few pages back about trying different antenna ideas on the caps to see what effect, if any, it had on the charging. Has anyone tried this yet?
I realize that the antenna may/probably draws in RF from some probably man-made source but I say...so what? OK, so if this is the case then probably not ou but we are being bombarded with all sorts of rf in a broad spectrum of frequencies and if we can capture some of it and make it useful...what is wrong with that? If the rf from a local radio station can charge my cell phone, I get free power and their electric bill on their transmitter does not go up just because I capture some of their energy does it? It would not go up if a bunch of people did it either. So, free energy from a source already out there.
Possibly the antenna might, depending on the design, pick up a variety of frequencies some of which are man-made, and others not. This is fascinating.
Bill
Howdy pirate.
I like this Idea, although it is rather parasitic, hehe.
I could start tapping it, but the radio station couldn't power their transmitter in the same fashion.I think Tesla was into radio transmission of energy wasn't he?
However soaking up some of the energy around high voltage power lines and radio transmission devices could be a good thing. In NZ there was a bit of a hoohaa about Telecom 'sponsoring' schools and then plopping a cell phone station on the school grounds. Parents went nuts about their kids turning into microwaved mutants. Same thing with HV power lines, people complaining about the EM effects.
Soaking up some of those effects is like cleaning the environment, and it is free power. Win win situation?
Anyway, I recalled the coil/antennae thing on the magnet capacitors last night, but will think about a bit longer before doing or saying anything.
I am curious about the magnet-coil-capacitor relationship. I am still thinking along the lines of magnetism, conductors, induced current.
1 Magnet+Capacitor, the relationship I wanted, but no discernible effect...
2 Magnet+Coil windings, possible combinations are many, I am sure something would have popped up by now.
3 Coil windings+Capacitor, just can't see a connection there...
I really want my capacitors to have some something dynamic going on inside. An external solution for their charging is of no use to me, because the source of energy is then out of my control. (Unless it is magnetic... sigh...)
By the way I read through the TMB stuff that Stifler published, after my practical session yesterday, and I experienced about half of it in my own lab/coffee table. Need to mull over and digest the TMB stuff while I work. Thanks for the link tak22, bulls eye!
I have 4 caps that have been 'charging' overnight, so I will be back and post the results of whether yesterdays abused caps have any fight in them.
Cheerio.
I have gone off the boil a bit regarding the caps. The measurement of overnight charge was a bummer. Two of the four caps, I couldn't get a reliable current reading from. The voltages were up to 250mV. The current was up to 3.8mA.
I set them up for a 40 minute test later. The weather is freezing, and the caps are not charging very fast, compared to yesterday, which was sunny and warm.
| Capacitor | | mV | uA |
| 50V | 1000uF | 5.4 | 6.4 |
| 50V | 1000uF | 4.9 | 5.3 |
| 50V | 3300uF | 5.3 | 24.6 |
| 50V | 3300uF | 9.5 | 41.4 |
Now the depressing stuff. These are only cheap items from an electronics store. But readily available. I was curious to think of how to calculate how much better their performance would have to be, for it to catch some ones interest.
So get ready for a weird calculation.
For a reference point, I decided to use an AA cell, something we are all familiar with. My camera takes two of these, and I have used two up just filming myself discharging capacitors. I use Ni-MH rechargeable's.
So, one AA Ni-MH cell at 1.50 Volts, and 2.50Ah, or 13.50kiloJoules
Now for my
best capacitor, 50V 3300uF, self charged overnight up to 249.5mV.
It is rated to handle 165.0milliCoulombs but only put out 3.820milliCoulombs.
So it self-charged to 2.3% of its capacity.
So I am getting 953.1
microJoules
To bump the voltage up, I need about 6 of these in series somehow.
So I have 6 caps, 1.497 volts, and 3.820mA for one second. Getting there... 5.719
milliJoules
Now we need some current. I will start putting some more in parallel.
I need 655 sets of six, in parallel, then I can pump out 3.746Joules.
So it took only 3,930 capacitors to pump out 2.5 amps for one second, at 1.5 volts.
Therefore I only need 14,148,000 capacitors to keep up the pace for one hour, and then I have
an AA Ni-MH equivalent.
Or in other words, I need a capacitor 14 million times better than what I have now.
A single capacitor in this example cost about $1.50.
Mad Scientist Journal interviews Grim"I am considering seeking funding for this project, and for a mere $20 million dollars I can build a working example that will attract more investment. This initial $20 million will only just cover the cost of materials, but I will get a discount for bulk buying. I would be working for nothing until I connect over 28 million terminals together for the first demonstration unit. During the time it takes to construct this device, there will be ample time for the caps to fully self charge. I intend to use my whole house to contain the device. I still can't decide whether to layer them from the floor to the ceiling, or wall to wall. A regular maintenance schedule will have to be deferred until the second round of investment. Plans for a larger device are currently on hold while I await planning approval to build a second story on my home that can house a power source big enough to energize a penlight ."
OK, a bit of lateral thinking...
Resistance is friction in an electrical circuit.
How about the self-charging capacitor as lubricant?
Residual voltage in capacitors seems a well known thing, and I am sure that electrical engineers have to remember to design around or over the phenomenon when the scale of the circuit warrants it.
What about designing that small amount of residual voltage into a circuit, to compensate for resistance?
A dot of oil in a dry steel roller bearing can make a huge difference, so what about using the residual voltage of capacitors in an electrical circuit?
My best self charging cap was 953.1microJoules.
A five millimeter droplet of beer can provide me with about 100Joules. (Wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule))
So that last bit of beer in the can that you can never drink is worth about 100,000 self charging capacitors.
Now that is just a disgusting waste of energy. Beer is not free energy, I am paying for every drop at the check out.
Beer cans need to be re-designed so we can drink the last drop, and I am just the man to do it!
Love, Grim.
Grim:
I will help you on this quest. It should be done.
Bill
http://www.murata.com/emc/knowhow/pdfs/te04ea-1/12to16e.pdf (http://www.murata.com/emc/knowhow/pdfs/te04ea-1/12to16e.pdf)
QuoteFIFTEEN years ago, back in 1982, when I wrote this, I had never seen any study of capacitors and their "soakage" -- nor of the kind of circuits you could use to shrug off the effects of soakage. Nobody ever talked about this, at high speed.
To this day, I have not seen any other articles that covered either subject. So this is still about the prime source of info on how to evaluate capacitors for soakage, AND how to build good Sample-and-Hold circuits, so as to NOT get hurt by that soakage.
http://www.national.com/rap/Application/0,1570,28,00.html (http://www.national.com/rap/Application/0,1570,28,00.html)
Me understand now.
QuoteFor the polar molecules this is called dipole relaxation, while for
the electric domains it is called ferroelectric relaxation (so named because of its similar-
ity to ferromagnetism)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.designers-guide.org%2FModeling%2Fda.pdf&ei=CcErR7rNDo_ssgLStfGkAQ&usg=AFQjCNHNwU9ntJsHEqyVRRwCTSA40UIIBQ&sig2=fTU-SFLhTn4SjralqMelPA (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.designers-guide.org%2FModeling%2Fda.pdf&ei=CcErR7rNDo_ssgLStfGkAQ&usg=AFQjCNHNwU9ntJsHEqyVRRwCTSA40UIIBQ&sig2=fTU-SFLhTn4SjralqMelPA)
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 31, 2007, 08:15:08 PM
Someone posted a few pages back about trying different antenna ideas on the caps to see what effect, if any, it had on the charging. Has anyone tried this yet?
I realize that the antenna may/probably draws in RF from some probably man-made source but I say...so what? OK, so if this is the case then probably not ou but we are being bombarded with all sorts of rf in a broad spectrum of frequencies and if we can capture some of it and make it useful...what is wrong with that? If the rf from a local radio station can charge my cell phone, I get free power and their electric bill on their transmitter does not go up just because I capture some of their energy does it? It would not go up if a bunch of people did it either. So, free energy from a source already out there.
Possibly the antenna might, depending on the design, pick up a variety of frequencies some of which are man-made, and others not. This is fascinating.
Bill
[no-joke]There is alot of energy just between your hands. Or at least between two significant distances in the air. If you have one huge sheet of metal foil 1km in the air, supported by four big helium baloons, one equal sheet of metal foil on the ground, a conductor from each sheet, you will be able to get plenty of energy.
The electric charge high up in the air is different than the electric charge at the ground. So you will constantly get a charged capacitor. Let these sheets be your antenna, and you can recharge your capacitor again and again.[/no-joke]
Vidar