i was playing around today an discovered this i have a 24.000 hz crystal from my electronics and soldered 3 wires to it hooked it up to my volt meter ans touched the crystal and got astounding results when i move it in a mag feild it generates power not much but it does around between .5 and .8 milivolts now when i dont move it there is nothing when i touch it right there is a lot of milivolts around 150 milivolts
why is this and how can we make a unit using them for free power with enough of them it would be worth the time also i thought that it was my power from my body but i mesured that it was around 15 - 30 milivolts but always jumping around
well i will keep playing
william
test this abain with blocking condensor on the wires +- (pos/neg Volt , directry
in near to the quartz oscillator (was take from old computerboard ar from videocard - so i think)
The Oscillator must be sourced with fix and proper DC voltage , that is not overlayed with RF.
Pese
http://ch.to/FE
here are some pictures of my results with crystals
can someone explain why this happins in the last pic my voltmeter is set to volts and is on dc and it reads.11 volts with no movement and jumps around a bit but still constant power and i did not show my voltage of my body in the picts but it is around 40 mili volts
Hi,
does it show this voltage also on an old
analog voltmeter ?
And also without touching it ?
On what setting was your digital multimeter ?
AC or DC Volts settings ?
Maybe it is some kind of Mobile Phone
or other RF converter together with with the cables
of your DVM ?
Try to put it onto a scope and have another look.
Regards, Stefan.
You must read the meter exactly
(switch on 200mV and also 2 Volts = )
this are only 0.110volt and also 144mv shown on the meter
this say nothing come not from crystal !!
This small voltage comes over the connecting leads to the meter
Pese
(Brummspannung) German
http://ch.to/FE
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 21, 2007, 04:08:52 PM
Hi,
does it show this voltage also on an old
analog voltmeter ?
And also without touching it ?
On what setting was your digital multimeter ?
AC or DC Volts settings ?
Maybe it is some kind of Mobile Phone
or other RF converter together with with the cables
of your DVM ?
Try to put it onto a scope and have another look.
Regards, Stefan.
all settings are in dc and yes it only makes voltage when i touch it how ever my voltage of my body is 40 milivolts at the most as my 2nd pic shows that without touching it i get o voltage but when i touch it i get up to 200 mililvolts i have checked out the link you posted but got almost nowhere with it sorry i dont own a scope so if some one does could they check it out thanks
william
This is now pover . if you use shounting resistor 100k perhaps.
No voltage (=power) will be rested !) bevause meter ist high resistor input /also ols analog meter will not shown any voltage.
this are only ripple voltages (detected from connecting leads)from line that you see now
Pese
i hooked up 1ook res to the crystal and i still get the same voltage when i touch it there is power there
strangely !
Only volteges , if you touch the wires with fingers ?
GP
so ampflied from the crystal my body voltage correct?
my voltage seams to be activating the crystal i have tryed on bigger crystals higher mhz but with less output but works the same
Quote from: innovation_station on March 23, 2007, 01:03:42 PM
my voltage seams to be activating the crystal i have tryed on bigger crystals higher mhz but with less output but works the same
but no both leads of crystal was connected ?
one on crystal one was solded to case .
it this right?
GP
it workes both ways 1 to case both leads or better with 1 lead lose
Hi,
put a 10 uF capacitor parallel with the DVM meter and see,
if the cap will charge up.
It is probably just a rectifier effect from the 50 or 60 Hz
or mobile phone RF in your area and maybe the
battery in your DVM is already weak, so it behaves strange...
If you can charge up the cap and it will discharge later,
then you can store the enery also in larger caps ! ;)
Is this piezo-electric effect, or something else? Piezo materials can be used as a transformer: http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/slyt107/slyt107.pdf
this is simlar as to what is happin to the crystals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGmWDrguWpE&mode=related&search=
hooked up crystal to cap and yes it will charge a cap i used 24000 hz crystal and 63v 47 u cap charges instantly as it should so..... free energy
24000 Kilohertz Not Hertz !
Crystal is marked 24 Mhz
But in any way ...
Pese
you are right sorry about that
i read it agin my crystal is marked
aec
24.000
i would assume that it is 24k hertz
it says this 24.000 i dont know how to take it it is not mhz
i tried but it is blury
Quote from: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 12:00:25 AM
this is simlar as to what is happin to the crystals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGmWDrguWpE&mode=related&search=
Hi Please try with gloves,
don?t touch the pins directly as your hand skin might have acid
and then it works like a battery.
How fast does your 47 uF cap charge up ?
Please try with other DVM or also with analog Voltmeter,
maybe your DVM is defective
and brings in the charge via the measurement cables from its
9 Volt battery ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
You guys see this one- the Human Battery?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGmWDrguWpE
Probably posted here somewhere already. If so sorry about that but here it is again.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 25, 2007, 11:55:39 PM
Quote from: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 12:00:25 AM
this is simlar as to what is happin to the crystals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGmWDrguWpE&mode=related&search=
Hi Please try with gloves,
don?t touch the pins directly as your hand skin might have acid
and then it works like a battery.
im sure is from my hands touching it
How fast does your 47 uF cap charge up ?
it took a few seconds
Please try with other DVM or also with analog Voltmeter,
maybe your DVM is defective
my volt meter is not defective i use it all the time it is the only one i have
and brings in the charge via the measurement cables from its
9 Volt battery ?
i guess it is posible some how
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
ok as i said it only works when i touch it the case of the crystal and 1 of the leads
i dont know what more to say other than i accentaly broke off 1 of the leads so i can no longer test that 1 it still works tho but i can only ge around 110 milivolts dc where i got up to 200milivolts with both leads
i think that crystal came off a vid card but i cant remember my mind is destoryed right now too much thinking on the tpu
william
another real oldie but goodie ...
: )
ist
Been playing with Super Caps all day, trying different rotors and wind-down tests, so when browsing this forum, I thought ummm got a few 3.68mhz crystals close by and attached them to the bank of caps I had.
There was 5 caps in series, each one is 20F 2.5 volts. So giving me 12.5 volts in total.
So I thought as an experiment and the caps were on the table I would join 2 crystals together and put them across the Super Cap bank. The bank was down to 3.2 volts and within 15 minutes after connecting the crystals it was upto 3.7 volts.
Ummm I thought, so disconnected the 5 caps in series and shorted one of them to make sure it was fully discharged.
Then connected two crystals across the one cap as in picture attached.
The DC volt meter measured 0.7 volts pretty quick and so far I have left it alone for 20 minutes
7:00pm 0.07 dc volts
7:05pm 0.08 dc volts
7:10pm 0.09 dc volts
7:28 0.10 dc volts
Will leave it running over night and see what it is in the morning.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 08, 2010, 02:22:16 PM
Been playing with Super Caps all day, trying different rotors and wind-down tests, so when browsing this forum, I thought ummm got a few 3.68mhz crystals close by and attached them to the bank of caps I had.
There was 5 caps in series, each one is 20F 2.5 volts. So giving me 12.5 volts in total.
So I thought as an experiment and the caps were on the table I would join 2 crystals together and put them across the Super Cap bank. The bank was down to 3.2 volts and within 15 minutes after connecting the crystals it was upto 3.7 volts.
Ummm I thought, so disconnected the 5 caps in series and shorted one of them to make sure it was fully discharged.
Then connected two crystals across the one cap as in picture attached.
The DC volt meter measured 0.7 volts pretty quick and so far I have left it alone for 20 minutes
7:00pm 0.07 dc volts
7:05pm 0.08 dc volts
7:10pm 0.09 dc volts
7:28 0.10 dc volts
Will leave it running over night and see what it is in the morning.
Cheers
Sean.
now thats what im talking about !
touch it with your hand
: )
love ya man .. NO IM NOT GAY !
DAMM!
lol
THANK YOU SIR !
IST
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 08, 2010, 02:22:16 PM
...
So I thought as an experiment and the caps were on the table I would join 2 crystals together and put them across the Super Cap bank. The bank was down to 3.2 volts and within 15 minutes after connecting the crystals it was upto 3.7 volts.
...
Hi Sean,
This behavior for (mainly) electrolytic capacitor types is experienced by some members here, including me too. My best understanding on explaining this is here, after the second qoute in my earlier post to member nul_points:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4419.msg99313#msg99313
and also here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4419.msg97694#msg97694
I would suggest doing this test:
Charge up two 20F supercaps to say 2V or so, by connecting them in parallel for the charge-up from a power supply, then discharge them both, still in parallel, with a 10 Ohm resistor or whatever small value you have, for about 0.5V.
Then remove the resistor, disconnect the caps from one other, and place the crystals across one of them and leave the other cap unconnected.
Now wait and see later how the caps recharge themselves, I forecast the two voltage values you would find in the end will be pretty much the same in both caps, the crystals would have nothing to do with the recharge effect...
rgds, Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on May 08, 2010, 05:12:28 PM
Hi Sean,
This behavior for (mainly) electrolytic capacitor types is experienced by some members here, including me too. My best understanding on explaining this is here, after the second qoute in my earlier post to member nul_points:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4419.msg99313#msg99313
and also here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4419.msg97694#msg97694
I would suggest doing this test:
Charge up two 20F supercaps to say 2V or so, by connecting them in parallel for the charge-up from a power supply, then discharge them both, still in parallel, with a 10 Ohm resistor or whatever small value you have, for about 0.5V.
Then remove the resistor, disconnect the caps from one other, and place the crystals across one of them and leave the other cap unconnected.
Now wait and see later how the caps recharge themselves, I forecast the two voltage values you would find in the end will be pretty much the same in both caps, the crystals would have nothing to do with the recharge effect...
rgds, Gyula
SURE ....
HAHAHA
SURE ...
IST
Hej William,
You surely happen to have two 1000uF or 2200uF or similar electrolytic caps in your junkbox, no need for supercaps. Just do the simple test as I suggested and then start laughing again. I am not here to diminish your 'fame' here but to make this forum more scientific, to weed out many misconceptions that come from mainly the lack of correct and deeper knowledge.
Respectfully, Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on May 08, 2010, 05:37:28 PM
Hej William,
You surely happen to have two 1000uF or 2200uF or similar electrolytic caps in your junkbox, no need for supercaps. Just do the simple test as I suggested and then start laughing again. I am not here to diminish your 'fame' here but to make this forum more scientific, to weed out many misconceptions that come from mainly the lack of correct and deeper knowledge.
Respectfully, Gyula
i dont dispute your tests ..
i did my origonal tests BY TOUCHING THE CRYSTAL ..
WITH OUT TOUCH 0 OUTPUT ..
touch it .. it amps as i have explained .. agin this can go any number of ways ... meaning earth ground and antenna or coil or .. well NO LIMITS ..
what their limits for i am sure is credibility.
[A author=innovation_station link=topic=2107.msg240760#msg240760 date=1273343378]
now thats what im talking about !
touch it with your hand
[/quote]
Na using your hand is cheating ;D
If you ever attach small pickup coils to a rotor and attach voltage probes you will see a small voltage being displayed. But simply by touching one of the probes with your finger, you can make the voltage jump upto 4-5 times.
Will leave it balance out overnight, but I suspect it is either energy trickling from the meter probes or the caps settling to a small steady voltage.
11:04 pm here and it upto 0.16 volts, so slowed down a bit :)
All good fun as usual
Cheers
Sean.
in my last post what i mean is there no limits as to how it can be made operate ...
not as in out put there will be limits what this can do .. but it is engery from seamly no where ..
ist
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 08, 2010, 06:04:49 PM
[A author=innovation_station link=topic=2107.msg240760#msg240760 date=1273343378]
now thats what im talking about !
touch it with your hand
Na using your hand is cheating ;D
If you ever attach small pickup coils to a rotor and attach voltage probes you will see a small voltage being displayed. But simply by touching one of the probes with your finger, you can make the voltage jump upto 4-5 times.
Will leave it balance out overnight, but I suspect it is either energy trickling from the meter probes or the caps settling to a small steady voltage.
11:04 pm here and it upto 0.16 volts, so slowed down a bit :)
All good fun as usual
Cheers
Sean.
lol
i wouldnt term it cheating .. i would term it SELF RUNNING ... : )
LOL BY THE FIRST HUMAN TOUCH ..
charge the cap ... hook it to a unit that runs with gain ...
i have a unit or 2
ist!
Quote from: gyulasun on May 08, 2010, 05:12:28 PM
Now wait and see later how the caps recharge themselves, I forecast the two voltage values you would find in the end will be pretty much the same in both caps, the crystals would have nothing to do with the recharge effect...
rgds, Gyula
Hi Guyla
I shorted two caps so they were both 0 volts before I started this test.
One I connected the Xtals and the meter, the other I left on the side.
The one with no crystals have crept upto 0.08v and the one with the crystals has gone upto 0.16v.
But then it has had the volt meter connected to it !
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: innovation_station on May 08, 2010, 05:40:09 PM
i dont dispute your tests ..
i did my origonal tests BY TOUCHING THE CRYSTAL ..
WITH OUT TOUCH 0 OUTPUT ..
touch it .. it amps as i have explained .. agin this can go any number of ways ... meaning earth ground and antenna or coil or .. well NO LIMITS ..
William,
I do not dispute you have seen the DC milliVolts (even some hundred mVs) on your multimeter as you described earlier in this thread. I also believe you do not see milliVolts when you are not touching the wires or the crystal wires etc.
Why do you use the amper word here I wonder, there is pico or maximum nanoAmpers involved, just think it over: Your multimeter has a 10 MegaOhm inner resistance in its DC ranges and you see for instance 200mV. Then what current level is involved? Ohm's law says it, no?
rgds, Gyula
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 08, 2010, 06:10:39 PM
Hi Guyla
I shorted two caps so they were both 0 volts before I started this test.
One I connected the Xtals and the meter, the other I left on the side.
The one with no crystals have crept upto 0.08v and the one with the crystals has gone upto 0.16v.
But then it has had the volt meter connected to it !
Cheers
Sean.
Ok, Sean, thanks. Yes, the voltmeter with its wires may also play trick here. But you could replace the two capacitors with each other and repeat the same test, there is
no two caps behaving exactly the same.
Or you do not leave any meter wire connection on any of the caps during the test, and after a certain time you check quickly and separately the voltages.
rgds, Gyula
Quote from: gyulasun on May 08, 2010, 06:20:09 PM
William,
I do not dispute you have seen the DC milliVolts (even some hundred mVs) on your multimeter as you described earlier in this thread. I also believe you do not see milliVolts when you are not touching the wires or the crystal wires etc.
Why do you use the amper word here I wonder, there is pico or maximum nanoAmpers involved, just think it over: Your multimeter has a 10 MegaOhm inner resistance in its DC ranges and you see for instance 200mV. Then what current level is involved? Ohm's law says it, no?
rgds, Gyula
agin im sorry you have miss understood me once agin ...
im not talking about amps ... as in CURRENT !
IT AMPLIFLYS THE VOLTAGE OF MY BODY ..
BECAUSE IT IS A MAGNETIC HARMONIC ENTANGLED WITH IN HUMAN CONCINOUSS
Some of us are at a higher or lower frequency,
With a sliver of magnetic material in my pointing finger,I can get a tingling from,contact with,fences,cars,metal driven in the ground.and certain individuals.Not to mention running electronic equip. Sliver removed ,,,end of Story.
I have tested this exhaustively,using a witness and different fingers on the same hand.
I plan on posting some thoughts on my Own Thread(hv plasma)
Joe in Texas
Quote from: Judges on May 08, 2010, 10:48:38 PM
Some of us are at a higher or lower frequency,
With a sliver of magnetic material in my pointing finger,I can get a tingling from,contact with,fences,cars,metal driven in the ground.and certain individuals.Not to mention running electronic equip. Sliver removed ,,,end of Story.
I have tested this exhaustively,using a witness and different fingers on the same hand.
I plan on posting some thoughts on my Own Thread(hv plasma)
Joe in Texas
verry verry kool !
i cant wate to read your work !
ist