I'm new to this. I read somewhere about how much power is in so much water, so how many barrels of oil would a gallon of water equal??
Here is some data on energy densities in different fuels.
http://xtronics.com/reference/energy_density.htm (http://xtronics.com/reference/energy_density.htm)
Thanks, that will give me a place to start in my search for information. I read in other posts and on other forums that a stepped square wave is the way to go when using pulsed DC power for electrolysis. Where would I start looking if I wanted to build my own pulse generator for my cell? I have no plans to buy the prebuilt units if I could build my own pulse generator. I saw in some places they use a series of 555 chips to generate the square wave. Thanks for all of your help guys.
Hi,
You wrote: "Where would I start looking if I wanted to build my own pulse generator for my cell?"
It is hard to advise, because one may always have left with doubts...
One of the controversials is perhaps Stan Meyer, see this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer
Another interesting guy is Shad Loncar, see this link: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Inventors/ShadLoncar/
I do not say what he shows is not real but he will not tell you how he dissociates water for instance at room temperature and the water remains cold too...
Jean-Louis Naudin also experimented with water dissociation and a sidestep is here: http://pesn.com/2005/06/26/9600116_Naudin_MAHG/
See professor Kanarev work at: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Kanarev_Electrolysis
There are several yahoo and other mails groups, just use search engines.
http://waterpoweredcar.com/links.html
Good reading first, then safe experimenting!!!
regards,
Gyula
I'm already a member of 3 groups associated with Hydroxy; Hydroxy, JoecellfreeEnergy, JoeCell2, and aH-Gen. I have perused most of the files on those groups. That gives me a little headway of where I want to go.
This is just about all you need to know on getting Mr. Meyer's technology to work, just note that you will need a VIC circut and too match the diodes used to the 555's and mosfets' switching speeds.
Well I was just looking for the MeyerRep.pdf file online and it seems the MIB guys have pulled it from just about everywhere, for it can't be found. See they are not messing with Magdrive for all he has is mileage boosters, but they are going through great lengths too stamp out Mr. Meyer's ideas. I am still shocked that I can't find it online, not even on PESWiki.
So everyone best get this while they can for it can nolonger be found on the open net.
some of the shite I've seen on different conspiracy theory sites that I've found, is that the damned MIB are being used to suppress any technology that would free us from dependence on petroleum. I have probably put a bulls eye on my back when I started posting on this group and subscribing to those Yahoo groups. I have ideas that will help me keep my ideas going if something happens to my computer or any of my experiments.I don't want to describe them here in a open forum, because they could find out how I plan to get around their suppression.
Hi everyone, Just in case you thought I was full of BS read this on Zigouras Racing:
http://blog.waterforfuel.com/2007/03/17/sky-driver-airlines-dropping-you-off-exactly-where-you-need-to-be.aspx#Comment
As you can see the US has it head in the ground like an osterage, hoping things will just get better somehow. I was really counting on Zigs too come through, since Hypowerfuel.com seems to have stopped for some reason also. waterforfuel.com is so close to getting things working I hope he makes it. I need more time and money always too broke to get things done in a timely fashion. Gas where I am is 335 a gallon now, just because, for there is no Huricain, or full scale war to blaim this time. The weather is good, we are at peace, just helping that country to get on their feet, so why the big increase in fuel prices?
It just makes me angry to see technology being supresst, and we really need it now. To many people are going without power that have families to raise, but the cost of living just is too much for them too bare.
Meyer's technology really works, it just needs some fine tunning is all. High voltage and low current do a number to water, Zigs was electrolizing aproximently two gallons a hour, and that's way more than any car would need to run on. I want to save our oil for it is needed to make plastics or do we want a clay TV box . I hate the way things are looking for it seems we have no future pass 2025, and the Government is fine with that, go figure.
The way I see it they already have this technology but are waiting until the last moment to bring it out, and a lot of poeple are going to starve to death for it is going to take too long for a cause to a cure the way their planning it. I'm talking millions here.
i read that blog, I even posted on it, just 3 small words, Hakuna Matada dudes. Its scary how the damned Murders in Black keep all clean tech out of the marketplace. It makes me paranoid as hell to know if I try to patent my ideas, I may be threatened or killed because of them.
It's quite weird that you people in the 1st world have this kind of problem. It must mean that business is having more and more control of peoples lives. Your governments talk about free enterprise or free markets. So much for talk. There's so much greed!
Thank God Jesus is coming soon!
Anyway, I just have an idea. If you will have problems patenting in your country, why not patent it in another country where the MIB can't get to you?
Teddy
The MIB crew is above our government so far as I can tell, they tell Bush what to do.
More than likely they are big oil, coal, power genarating companies, and some Military unit's, teamed together world wide.
Just think what would happen to the power genarating companies if this tecnology came out. They would disapear just like the pony express did when the telegraph came out. The oil companies would take a 50% loss in revenues, and coal use would almost come to a halt.
What I am trying to do is save the oil for plastic making, and not just burn it up in our tanks and power genarating needs.
they have enough oil for another 200 years i am sure
they just want scare peoples and make more money with the oil, bush family need to be eliminated
Have you heard the term Peak Oil. I've read a bunch of articles that say Peak Oil is coming, and some say that it has already come and gone.
Have you heard the story about how Oil is not a fossil fuel? It is said that it actually is a natural byproduct of the inner earth (mantel) hi pressure/compression process. Hence there is no running out, maybe I shouldn't say no running out, but I believe we have more than they are letting on, reminds me of the Diamond mines and how they control the supply.
The only issue is pollution caused by using it and sucking it up faster than it can bubble up from the deep.
Who knows if this is true, more available than they are letting on but they for sure will not tell us because that would cause a public uprising! Just look at what the Bushies are doing in the Middle East, they are controlling the oil and giving it over to their buddies.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47738
I've read of this (abiotic, "Deep-Earth" theory of the origin of oil). It is still the pollution aspect that irritates me. It is being used as a precept to control our lives.
If we focus to get us off oil completely then this aspect will be solved.
Just my opinion. Thanks.
@ResinRat2,
I agree, we need to rid ourselves of the pollution problem. Control is what they are after, they want us trapped and handing over our money.
Continue on with your research, it appears you are making progress, I am working on another project myself (TPU) to reach the same end. I am making progress as well. We need all the "Green" solutions we can get.
Pollution yes yes that is the real issue.
I am in ,and working on high end 2H2 O2 or HHO production.
Doing my part > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVmHFKHnmro
Just Build It
And except the Age of Alternative Energy ,you have no choice , it has arrived in many forms world wide. The internet will make sure that this age stands.
IronHead
They (Big Oil) has us tightly held in their mitts and won't let go very easily. They control the government through all kinds of false fronts that they have set up to keep their control but to stay out of the sights of the public. We have to get those free energy alternatives out there, but it is hard with THEM in control
dukenukem,
2 words, Open Source
Quote from: starcruiser on April 04, 2007, 04:07:14 PM
dukenukem,
2 words, Open Source
Even if we open source our ideas, that won't stop them from coming after us to keep us from further developing the free energy ideas.
So your saying there going to send out agents to all 300,000 or more of us world wide?
Just Build It
They ain't coming to get you
IronHead
Stan Meyer believed he had been poisoned.
"Powers that Be" don't seem to mind additions or improvements, just replacements and alternatives.
So Gumpy your back . I thought they got ya :)
Anyway , The times that Stanly lived in were truly the times of the MIB.
I lived it , but will not go into what has happen to me in those days.
I think those days are gone , there are many many people doing this type of work now . I just think it can not be stopped for there are masses now and not just a few anymore.
IronHead
That may be true, but if we develop them enough to be usable and then release the documentation and proof (videos etc..) in order to replicate the device to various OU sites we can make a good effort to get out what we have. This would disuade them from bothering with us, they cannot arrest us if we do not try to sell it (using the old fraud routine).
The doc can have your name on it and this would be a poor mans patent in a way, but why are we doing this? I would like to make $$ but if I try they would probably try to do me in some way. So we are better off just getting it out there.
I for one will not worry about them coming after me, we all die sooner or later, I want this for my kids and grand kids, etc.... mindsets need to be changed and this stuff will do it.
I'm back. Been real busy - flu, work, short vacation, more work...
http://waterpoweredcar.com/inventors.html
Dr. Andrija Puharich mysteriously fell down a flight of stairs.
Wonder if you could split the water molecule using just two focused magnetic fields?
Hmm - Professor Ehrenhaft thought of this too.
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:lkqIKDx9VCAJ:www.keelynet.com/interact/archive/00001672.htm+magnetic+hydrogen+oxygen&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
More:
http://www.centuryinter.net/tjs11/bus/magnh2o.htm
EDIT:
Patent for "Permanent magnet hydrogen oxygen generating cells"
EDIT - 2:
Patent for "Circular coil electrolysis apparatus" - non-symmetric magnetic field - no arc - hmmm
Build it . Document it . Use it . Tell your friends how to build it . Open source it so all can build it. The PTB are not going to stop it this time. Thats why oil prices are so high. IMHO, They want to make as much $$ as possible before the bottom drops out. And the bottom is weakining a little more every day. Soon the last piece of the puzzle will be in place. The people/We that will change the world are here. now is the time, the power cartel will fall. The age of greed will be marked for its demise. People of the world are fed up with it all. Energy dependence = power over the masses. Free energy or a water-fuel based source will effectively eliminate dependence and free the masses. So as it has been wisely said
! Just Build It !
No patent
No greed
No B.S. permitted
Stanly Meyers wanted to make money off of his inventions. Look where it ended for him. 20+years later we are still in the same boat.
Only open source can do what is needed here for "We" the people of 'Our" Earth. Period!
A patent IS a government issued license to make or permit the manufacture of a given devise. Do you really think ANY government is going to give Joe Sixpak a license to eliminate its grip over the masses? Realy? Do you? ??? ? Surely you jest.. Just My .02,, Moab
When I first found sites like this, I immediately began planning to convert an older model of a Volkswagen Beetle to Hydroxy power. I think that is a good place to start working on conversion of Petroleum based vehicles to H2O. I already had in my possession several books for working on Beetles, so that would give me a good start to help me convert a Bug to water power. I will start documenting my ideas, once I get started actually working on them. Right now I'm still in the development stage. It may be a while before I actually get started.
Oh, after I went through reading some of the files related to this, I found out it is 2.5 million barrels of petroleum per gallon of water. We inventors and dreamers NEED to keep the work of Stanley Meyer alive and thriving. Don't let the scum try to drive this technology back underground, push through the disinformation the MIB put out there and show them that we mean business. I know they can't get everyone, but they may TRY (emphasis on try) to push those of us in the US away from the development of this technology, but they may have a harder time getting to most of us. Keep the dream of Stan Meyer alive, keep working on hydroxy ideas.
Now that is an Awfully big number; 2.5M barrels, if we can capture that amount of energy from water we are all set!
I found one type of cell that produces two different kinds of hydrogen, orhohydrogen and parahydrogen. From what I read, orthohydrogen is powerful and fast burning form of hydrogen and parahydrogen is less powerful and slower burning. I have attached a copy of the file that describes that cell.
Freakin toroidal coil...
Well, I'll be damned straight to hydrohell!
yup it uses a toroidal coil to produce the parahydrogen while the electrodes produce the orthohydrogen that acts to slow the rate of burn. The example it gives is that parahydrogen acts like an octane booster to prevent knock.
Quote from: Grumpy on April 05, 2007, 05:52:22 PM
Freakin toroidal coil...
Well, I'll be damned straight to hydrohell!
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! you crack me up
Quote from: dukenukem on April 05, 2007, 02:04:44 PM
I found out it is 2.5 million barrels of petroleum per gallon of water.
Do you mean that there is an equivalent amount of energy in a gallon of water as there is in 2,500,000 barrels of petrolium?
So for every gallon of petrol my car uses I could be using roughly 49 nanolitres of water instead?
Theoretically at standard temperature and pressure (25 degrees C and 1 atmosphere):
2H2O ---> 2H2 + O2
36grams(ml) water ----> 44.8 Liters H2 + 22.4 Liters O2
Yes that's a total of (44.8 + 22.4) = 67.2 Liters of hydrogen/oxygen mixed gases in the exact ratio for perfect detonation (lol) from 36 ml of water.
I don't know about energy equivalents, but I would say that amount of mixed hydrogen and oxygen gases would make a might BIG bang.
Just make sure you have your earplugs and a kelvar-lined explosion-proof suit.
Actually, taking that a step further, since we get 67.2 Liters of H2/O2gases:
67.2 Liters gas 3785 ml water 7065.3 Liters of gas (H2/O2)
------------------- X ------------------ = --------------------------
36 ml water Gallon of water Gallon of water
Over 7000 Liters of highly explosive gas from a gallon of water is quite a bit of energy. You figure it out.(lol)
I don't remember the URL, but i remember seeing a video on youtube that has a guy electrolyzing water and igniting the hydroxy that was being bubbled through a jug of water. The first pop was pretty loud, like a .22 pistol being fired, but sequential pops sound like those little party poppers.
Well I did a little math and this is what I found;
1 gallon = 3.7854118 Liters
1 Barrel of oil yields 19.5 gallons of 87 octane gasoline
Using ResinRat2's calculations from above;
7065.3 Liters of gas (HHO) / 3.7854118 = 1866.375 gallons of gasoline per gallon of water
2.5M barrels of oil x 19.5 gallons gasoline per barrel = 48750000 gallons gasoline
48750000 gallons gas per 2.5M barrels / 1866.375 gallons of gasoline energy per gallon of water = 26120.152 gallons of water
If these numbers hold true, or even close, this is a major motivator why the oil companies do not want this technology out in the open.
Are there any known problems with the toroidal coil? Are there any known problems with the hydrostar system? Do you know any links to people who are using this system or any links to people who are running engines with hydrogen?
Any help will be appreciated.
@yikes
did you read the PDF? The toroidal coil produces parahydrogen which is slower burning than the faster burning orthohydrogen which is produced by the electrodes. You can try building the hydrostar system and see what you think of it.
Hello starcruiser,
I think you are using a "syntax error",
cause the liter(=volume)/density(Gr. per cubecm) comparison ! (1lt. gas/ 1lt. liquid)
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@Duke
thank you for the reply. Yes I read the pdf and am preparing to build the system. It seemed logical to find info for each peice before building it. I have found that there are errors in the board, that there is concern about the generator being parallel rather than series and that mythbusters tried it and failed. Therefore my questions.
Hi everyone, I was reading the math on the oil vs water, and one thing was left out. If you cool the exhaust from the hydro/oxy burner you can feed it back into the tank, now try that with :P gasoline ::).
I am making a donut coil too, darn thing took 4 hours just to wrap it 200 times, and I am not done. The secoundary winding needs to calculated out when the capacitance of the WFC is know. I think I have to wrap it more than one thosand times with the 36 gage wire :-X.
But take a look at this, just out from my talks with Mr. Lawton. A new circuit design. Note, the chokes need to be put in like this; the one going too the positve the starting winding of the choke needs to go too the WFC and it's the opposite for the negetive side choke the starting winding needs to be away from the WFC. This will take the amps down close to 43 :o times as less than if you hook it up the normal way. For me it went down from 108 ma too 2.5 ma, plus my negetive choke is adjustable, the core moves in and out.
Have fun building everyone, and feel the power of h20 ;D
@Yikes
I love the mythbusters, but they may have done something wrong when they tried to build the cell. Those guys are a couple of nuts. Adam is the nuttiest of the whole lot of them though. Tory, Carrie, and Grant can all act very silly sometimes also. Jamie is really one of those guys that doesn't seem to be rattled very easily. I like the way that they are always teasing each other, it doesn't matter what project they are working on, they always find time to tease each other. But seriously, I hope you have luck getting your cell to work.
@h20Power
Thanks for helping improve the circuit design. The toroidal coil won't produce as much hydrogen as the electrodes, and it will also be slower burning than the hydrogen produced by the electrodes.
@H20Power
I'm not familiar with chokes and stuff like that, but do you just wrap the wire around the core? ???
yes
thanks starcruiser
what kind of core do you guys use for the choke? What length do you recommend that the adjustable choke be? Never mind for the type, i looked at the drawing for the improved circuit and saw the core is a 3/8" Ferrite (iron) rod. But what length is suggested for the adjustable choke
It can be ferrous. typically the choke is like a transformer but it has only one winding on it. So the core type and coil length is dependant on the operating frequency.
I would suggest using a fixed winding to start and make each inductor match to start, you can then remove windings on one to adjust if you really need to.
Thanks man, this will really help me out in my project.
On wraping the chokes and making a variable one. Make the variable choke with a bobbin and glue a nylon nut and screw to the core. Use a nomagnetic L braket, brass is good, too thread the screw for adjusting the choke.
Make the chokes with three or four layers, that is 25 or 33 wraps then overlap back the other direction. I used 3 layers with wrap counts of 34+33+33=100.
This is important in getting the amps to almost zero out, for the starting of the windings are opposite one another. Going too postive the starting of the winding is towards the WFC and the negetive(adjustable one) the starting of the winding is away from the WFC. This take the amps down by about 43 times as less from 108 ma to 2.5 ma.
Sorry I have been away, busy working on the prototype, it's just about done just need to glue the bottom, get a press, recieve the stainless steel tubing from UPS, and cut it up, press it in, and wire it up. Plus to treat the metal with a dilute solution of Nitric acid and hydrogen peroxide to get it ready for gas production.
The cell looks very close to this rushed rendering:
I understand the zeroing out of amps, because it is the higher voltage that causes the breakdown of water into its component elements. I figured it out reading posts here on overunity.com, or the yahoo groups that I am a member of, watching videos on google videos and youtube, and also reading the files that I have downloaded off of those different sites. I'm still working on the design of my cell, so I still have a long ways to go before I start actual work on hydrogen generation. I came up with an idea today based on something I saw on one of the videos that I saw on youtube. I can't remember the URL but its the one where the man originally started using Hydroxy to cut and weld with before he used it to power his car. My idea uses similar procedures at the start but for cutting operations have a second set of electrodes with the one producing oxygen separate from the hydrogen producer. That way you would have free oxygen to use for the cutting of metals like Iron and Steel and still be able to use the same setup for a burner by using a quick connect setup for the hydrogen and oxygen lines.