yet another simple design i came up with drawing and picture and op princible soon
nothing hard about this device
i t consists of 2 magnets
a plastic turbine
an air pump 12 v
a copper disc
2 brushes
and a base
i am goint to draw a picture right now and i will post when im finished
is
here you go i will post 1 more drawing without the words
is
the second drawing with the turbine and no words and the rest of the casing
the innovation station team
trying to post aginn
i will be building this soon as there is not much to this and it wont cost a fourtune and when i do i will post the picture
is
Is this generator some kind of Edison generator, or what the name is?
I assume the copper disc is fixed, and you have rotating magnets over and under it, and a turbine to run spin the magnets?
Between the center and the edge of the copper disc you will get power. Lots of current, and very low voltage.
Am I right?
Br.
Vidar
the way i see what your are saying is not at all related
sound as tho your making more fun at my work
it is all self explanitory
i should not have to say anymore than my drawing
look agin if you really dont understand
is
Quote from: innovation_station on March 31, 2007, 07:45:08 PM
the way i see what your are saying is not at all related
sound as tho your making more fun at my work
it is all self explanitory
i should not have to say anymore than my drawing
look agin if you really dont understand
is
I'm not making fun of you, and I honestly cannot see how you can say that from my previous post!!!!!
Well, rotating magnets, and a disc of copper! So I just putted 2 and 2 together.
This is well known technology invented by Mr Edison a "few" years ago, except the frictionless bearing. Even the brushes are placed in the same places on the disc. It is sad if you think I'm making fun of you, but I don't!
How you plan to make the magnet start spinning, air pressure, water, another motor etc, does not matter. You have to add energy in one or another way to make it spin, and maintain the spinning anyway. I see clearly how your generator are meant to work - however, it will not run forever and supply limitless of energy just because of a frictionless bearing. End of story.
Br.
Vidar
i am not saying that it will but frictinoless will improve the op of this unit too this can be built many ways so sorry for my last i just assumed you were making fun or you realy did not understand what im saying
it also seams you are challanging my turbine here it takes almost nothing to turn the ring mag because of it weightlesness so to turn the turbine i will use compressed air mabe use the filsinger squeeze tech pressureizer or a 12v air compresser
the generator will not be limitless it should produce around at the most 3 v but at high current if i put 2 mags togather ooposing copper between and spin fast as i can for input i will get more voltage but same current
is
Quote from: Low-Q on March 31, 2007, 03:01:19 PM
Is this generator some kind of Edison generator, or what the name is?.........
...... Am I right?
Br.
Vidar
Michael Faraday, I reckon. In 1832, earlier than Edison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_generator
Paul.
yes it is a faraday disc style generator based on the work of faraday with my twist
is
Quote from: innovation_station on April 01, 2007, 08:16:16 AM
i am not saying that it will but frictinoless will improve the op of this unit too this can be built many ways so sorry for my last i just assumed you were making fun or you realy did not understand what im saying
it also seams you are challanging my turbine here it takes almost nothing to turn the ring mag because of it weightlesness so to turn the turbine i will use compressed air mabe use the filsinger squeeze tech pressureizer or a 12v air compresser
the generator will not be limitless it should produce around at the most 3 v but at high current if i put 2 mags togather ooposing copper between and spin fast as i can for input i will get more voltage but same current
is
OK I see. Have you consider that there will be a sort of electronic friction between the spinning magnet and the copper disc when you load it or short-circuit it?
Btw: Paul-R/William -> Thanks for clearing up Edison/Faraday :D. I haven't had my brain with me the last few months. Of course - Faraday! I should have remembered that :-[
Br.
Vidar
the copper disc is connected to the magnet they will both spinn at once as 1 and the weight of the spinning combo will overcome any friction created from drawing a load
so it should not slow down when you take current from it
or if it does slow down it should be almost un noticeable defentaly not come to a stop
is
Your idea is a bit more complex than mine, but we both have good ideas that I hope we can get our ideas working.
well why not combine our ideas togather and get somthing real good from it
just a thought
is
Sounds like an awesome idea. I had to redraw all of my drawings, because I found some inconsistencies in the drawings, which threw off the rest of my drawings. I have all my IM running so if you want to IM me, you can. I like talking about stuff like that because the wait is reduced.
Quote from: innovation_station on April 01, 2007, 02:10:41 PM
the copper disc is connected to the magnet they will both spinn at once as 1 and the weight of the spinning combo will overcome any friction created from drawing a load
so it should not slow down when you take current from it
or if it does slow down it should be almost un noticeable defentaly not come to a stop
is
So the magnet are spinning together with the copper disc - OK.
1.st: The brushes - how do you get a friction less contact between the brushes and the copper disc?
2.nd: How can you get anything out if there is no relative motion between the magnet and the copper disc?
3.rd: Any friction will require the same amount of, lets call it maintain-energy, to keep spinning regardless of the weight of the spinning parts.
You can look at the spinning mass as a capacitor. The greater mass, the higher capacity, but higher energy required over longer period of time to "charge" it as the mass and diameter (The moment) increase.
I'm not trying to work against your ideas, but I just try to understand how your device would work in my opinion.
Sorry for not having any constructive ideas at this point - maby later :)
Br.
Vidar
Hi All,
Here is an interesting link on Faraday type generators
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/faradaydisk.htm
Also, Nikola Tesla indicated to use two disks to easy the friction problem, I attached his patent on it. He made notes on unipolar dynamos too:
http://www.andrijar.com/teslahom/index.html
And here is some speculations on Tesla fuelless generator that includes his dynamo electric machines and unipolar dynamos:
http://home.earthlink.net/~drestinblack/generator.htm
Maybe someone finds the above links as useful info, but in fact they have been there for several years now..
Regards
Gyula
@vidar thanks for your input i have done much reaserch in this feild this is how i redesigned the n machine and adapted it to work with my turbine in the most efficient machine thred trust me it will make power as designed but looking forward to more of your thoughts
is
@gyulasun thanks for the links i have seen all of them b4 but agin thanks
i beleave in 1 of teslas pattends he used a flat copper wire 2 wraps around the edge of the disc in the same dirrection as the reveloution and in doing this when he takes power from it adds does not take away or in other words cancles out the backtorque
also it will strenthign the mag feild thus the more you take the more it makes
as i said this is much still in the design phase
but all thoughts are welcome
william
Quote from: innovation_station on April 02, 2007, 07:43:53 AM
@vidar thanks for your input i have done much reaserch in this feild this is how i redesigned the n machine and adapted it to work with my turbine in the most efficient machine thred trust me it will make power as designed but looking forward to more of your thoughts
is
william
OK. I look forward to your final result, and hopefully you'll show us some pictures and videos of the machine (?).
If I come up with any constructive thaught, I'll let you know.
Br.
Vidar
i have so many things im working on right now but when 1 gets to frustrating i move to the next and when my mind is clear i jump back at it but with a whole new view
is
Quote from: Low-Q on April 02, 2007, 02:33:13 AM
Quote from: innovation_station on April 01, 2007, 02:10:41 PM
So the magnet are spinning together with the copper disc - OK. ....?
Vidar
Not necessarily. There are various ways. If you look three quarters of the
way down this page, you will see a table of the different combinations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_generator
Paul
@ paul you are verry correct there many ways to make this work and i have many many links on this topic and i have read all of them many times well b4 i designed this device
but look because hear comes free engery
i personaly know that i can devolp many devices that can produce free engery but i will wait until stephens prize pool becomes much larger b4 i will disclose the workings of them pubicaly
is
also im still young and im designing this now imagine what i will be doing in 5 years 10 years from now after i have sucess at just 1 device to fund the rest
innovation station team
Quote from: Paul-R on April 02, 2007, 10:05:38 AM
Quote from: Low-Q on April 02, 2007, 02:33:13 AM
Quote from: innovation_station on April 01, 2007, 02:10:41 PM
So the magnet are spinning together with the copper disc - OK. ....?
Vidar
Not necessarily. There are various ways. If you look three quarters of the
way down this page, you will see a table of the different combinations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_generator
Paul
Interesting. If the magnet rotates together with the disc, I believe the energy is generated in the wires to the static indicator.
Br.
Vidar
come on how could 2 little wires generate that much current ? they do generate alot of current you know
is
also do some proof of concept tests for yourself cost almost nothing and you will see
william
Quote from: innovation_station on April 02, 2007, 01:06:53 PM
come on how could 2 little wires generate that much current ? they do generate alot of current you know
is
also do some proof of concept tests for yourself cost almost nothing and you will see
william
A wire @ 2 feet long, 1mm
2 have a potential to generate loads of current.
When that is said:
I believe there is no energy made in the copper disc itself when it is spinning together with the magnet. However I believe there is energy made between two parts which is having a relative motion in proportion to each other. The only parts which is doing that is the magnet/copper in proportion to the instrument wire. The copper disc is in that case just a conductor so you can have a closed circuit making it possible to measure voltage. Try to load your device, and you'll see that the instrument wire will, in any form of working configuration, be the part which limits the max current available anyway.
In other words, there will never be possible to get more current, in spite of copper disc size, than your wires and the brushes allows.
Maybe you feel counteracted, but my intent is to lighten the problems we probably well meet sooner or later in this process.
Br.
Vidar
yes i quite agree with all you have said in that post
is
Hi guys,
I'm actually working on a similar vein but trying to develop a purely magnetic motivation to start with, then add power generation afterwards.
Word of advice - Beware Faraday's Paradox. It is not the coil\disk moving in relation to the magnetic field, its the coil\disk moving through space while subjected to a magnetic field that causes the resistance. Solve that problem and the rest is easy!
@onevoice
Innovation Station and I both have ideas along the same lines. My idea is set up completely differently than his. If you want to see what my idea looks like, check out my post herehttp://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2128.msg26430.html#msg26430 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2128.msg26430.html#msg26430)
Nice graphics Duke. I'm sorry I don't have any equivalent to post. my design is similar to a spiral pm motor. All of the homopolar setups i've seen allways have the magnetic flux above and below the disk while electrical potential is measured between the spindel and the outside edge. The half baked part of my idea is this. I've been wondering if I face the magnets edge on, can I pickup a spark between the top & bottom of the disk & if so, will it have any affect on the back emf when under load - wondering if there could be a relationship between gyroscopic forces & resistance.
I used a program called DeltaCad to draw that. The main thing about my idea is the magnets above and below the shaft and along the two sides just above and below the two support magnets which act to stabilize the shaft horizontally. The rest of the drawing is using basic electrical induction for generation and I'm still working on the drive portion as well as other ideas based on the Hydrogen Power area.
Frictionless? Bah! Didn't i see brushes in the original drawing? there is a friction involved there. you show a magnetic bearing? But you have an output shaft that would prove to have rotational and thrust properties more commonly displayed in common armatures.
faraday did have something with his works and had he finished his works we would not have the dependance to fossil fuels that we do today. However that is not the case and "we" I or you have to finish them for him. With the state of the sciences today that is going to be quite a task. As to finish his works is to prove that free energy is possible. to prove that once unity is achieved in a closed system that overunity does indeed exist. To prove that a perpetual state does exist and that the perpetual state is just that perpetual an will be just that for infinity. with that we can better understand gravity and the event horizon and the roles they play in the very universe we live in and the countless other universes out there in their various states of development.
Those are things that the sciences find hard to swallow. In fact there are few that actually research free-energy, overunity, anti gravity, perpetual motion, and an infinite state. For sure not in a manner that the sciences conduct research. Certainly not with the communication networks that academia has afforded the sciences.
I'd say what there doing isn't working for us or them. We are still stuck to this planet and fully dependant on fossil fuels and other dangerous methods of aquireing energy for the work.
Homopolar? I'm sorry but most motors generators or combinations of such are multipole and for faradays works to be complete Multipole is the change that is needed in his designs. To do that proper is to *totally* eliminate friction from the design.
When your ready to understand how that is done ask me.
ring
hello all
@ ring theory well im more than ready
a solution for the brushes i have that too!
but why expose it
im intrested in speeking with you
i in my opinion can build this devise and make it frictionless totaly but my main focous right now is my turbine and generator combination as it has a good home in this world we all live in also as soon as i finish it has a place to go i will be finishing my machine with in the next 3 weeks and then its out for testing! after that mass production!
i now have funding!
william
I still don't understand why it must be frictionless. If the energy out of the machine is going to do some useful work, I believe this energy will play with the friction as it was nothing anyway.
If Faraday did live today, he would probably be dead...as the prize of overunity is, as far as I know, death :-\
Br.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on May 10, 2007, 04:31:44 PM
I still don't understand why it must be frictionless. If the energy out of the machine is going to do some useful work, I believe this energy will play with the friction as it was nothing anyway.
If Faraday did live today, he would probably be dead...as the prize of overunity is, as far as I know, death :-\
Br.
Vidar
Friction will bring a mechanism to a halt. It is a result of thermodynamics and not limited to mechanical interractions like meshed gears and bearings. does include chemical transformations, biological, magnetic, electrical etc. frictionless would be the proving point of the technology.
Overunity prize dead? 8( I doubt it! ;D
my thoughts on overunity and death are the same as vidars
friction must be overcome to even enter unity then all you have to do for overunity is push a bit harder!! or think a little smarter!
because of the high speed i can use for my brushes a spark gap!! no contact remember this style generator will produce high current because of that it will have the power to ark to my brush or what im useing for a brush and if for some reason that will not work then its time for super conductive liquid!!!
the innovation station team!!
My Idea, which is similar to the idea of Innovation Station, but is completely different from it. It uses magnets to support the shaft horizontally and vertically, which reduces friction, because of the airspace between the magnets on the top and bottom of the shaft are holding the shaft on the top and bottom away from the other magnets on top and bottom of the case. Air resistance is reduced by reducing the air pressure inside the case to a near vacuum. Friction is very low for my idea, so it would seem to be viable to generate low power depending on how the windings are wound.
test http://home.earthlink.net/~drestinblack/generator.htm
So, you actually think you out foxed Faraday? Faraday only concluded through experiment of what occurs during his observations, he did not make the laws, he simply defined them with years of research, if there was a solution, Faraday had the mind that would of found it long before you came up with your brilliant idea's.
only a super fluid can be frictionless. deal with it, it is a proven fact. also, if you want to eliminate the physical brushes then use a high voltage arc instead. you will still have field resistance to deal with. a super fluid is also non electrically conductive.
How does that pop your bubbled world perspective?
Run and hide from real world Scientist and Physicist because they are ravenous pit bulls out to get you and rip your theories to part. they will too.
you need some tough love when it comes to shedding your so called Physics with people that actually respect real proven Physicist.
what I don't like most is when some red neck thinks he/she's smarter than our prominent Physicist ancestry. they lived a long time to find and resolve theories, yours is trivial in comparison.
Personally, I think Maxwell is my favorite, how about you?
Hell, I even named my son after him.
now, lesson number 1. how do you feed a ravenous pit bull, you simply find something it likes and feed it to them over time. they will become your best friend. not even the worst pit bull can out wait that, so long as you don't taint it.
Personally, if you start feeding me dog crap, I will make your life here on this forum a living hell. don't insult my ancient peers by not respecting them.
Like I said before, real world Scientist and or Physicist are not there to prove you true, they are there to prove you false. period.
why, because the given evidence is already against you. peered reviewed! by those who are a lot smarter then you! deal with it.
Sincerely, your own pit bull!
Jerry 8)
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2010 on April 17, 2011, 10:14:11 PM
So, you actually think you out foxed Faraday? Faraday only concluded through experiment of what occurs during his observations, he did not make the laws, he simply defined them with years of research, if there was a solution, Faraday had the mind that would of found it long before you came up with your brilliant idea's.
only a super fluid can be frictionless. deal with it, it is a proven fact. also, if you want to eliminate the physical brushes then use a high voltage arc instead. you will still have field resistance to deal with. a super fluid is also non electrically conductive.
How does that pop your bubbled world perspective?
your first paragraph is assumption and conjecture.
your second paragraph is bordering on megalomania. are you really so bold as to suggest that we are at the summa of
ALL knowledge? ::)
how does that pop your bubbled world perspective?
sincerely your personal pitbull.
p.s. i know you once said you "study to[sic] much to be wrong", so i thought i would let you know that it's "would have" not "would of"... ;)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 18, 2011, 03:26:53 AM
your first paragraph is assumption and conjecture.
your second paragraph is bordering on megalomania. are you really so bold as to suggest that we are at the summa of ALL knowledge? ::)
how does that pop your bubbled world perspective?
sincerely your personal pitbull.
p.s. i know you once said you "study to[sic] much to be wrong", so i thought i would let you know that it's "would have" not "would of"... ;)
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Got it. Thanks.
Jerry 8)
Please, on general purpose,
propose a full-friction homopolar
onevoice,can you tell me more about faradays paradox?Or someone else?triffid
A physics forum on faradays paradox, http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-314866.html triffid