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Hi All,
many of you were annoyed, when I put advertisement onto my OverUnity.com
forum.
But this action was done to raise some money to keep this forum going and now
I will give back some of the money the advertisement generates to you ALL
and especially to the inventor who brings the breakthrough alternative
easy to build free energy device !
So all members will profit, cause everybody will then know, how to easily
build a real working free energy device.

I will donate now 1000 Euros to the first inventor which will give us a free energy
device and put it into the public domain  and publishes it all freely via open source e.g.
via GPL ( General Public License).

I have pondered the last days, how it could be best done.
I have come to the conclusion, that I will start with the prize money
at 1000 Euros, about 1300 US$ in this moment.

Each month the prize money will be raised by an amount which I will announce here at each month,
coming from the advertisement revenue this site generates and which is
from you all checking out our Google Adsende sponsors.

Also if you wish, you can donate also into the pot of money, so the prize money will
be raised, so it will be getting higher and higher.

If you wish to donate also into the pot of prize money , you could just post over here in the thread
that you wish to donate an amount of money or you could deposit it to me via PayPal
and I will transfer it to a bank account or leave it on a PayPal account for this purpose.

This can still be discussed, how the money will be held best, so it is in a safe place.

I am holding now back 1000 Euros on my private bank account for this purpose.

I just want to get as soon as possible a device into the public domain, so
everybody can rebuild this device.

Here are the conditions, that will apply to win the prize money:

1. You need to build 3 working units, all must work in overunity mode,so to make sure,
it is a replicatable device.

2. Each of the 3 devices must at least put out 50 Watts of contineous electrical AC or
DC power. If your device is more a mechanical or chemical ( e.g. electrolyis or cold fusion
devics) device, you must build also into it the converter to get electrical power out of it,
so it is producing at least contineous 50 Watts of free power without using any fuel
other than water or air.

3. Batteries can be used in it, but must be declared and must not be hidden and
battery lifetime and recharge time must be specified.( If batteries are used as a buffer
the testing time must be prolonged to test, if not just the batteries are delivering all
the output energy).Battery life should be at least 3 years and to change the batteries
should not cost more than 50 Euros ( each 3 years or better after a longer time period)

4. The 3 devices must be shipped to 3 different favourite Website owners in the free
energy news and discussion movement.
One device must be shipped to me at OverUnity.com ( Dip. Ing. Stefan Hartmann)
and the 2 other devices can be shipped for instance to Mr. Jean Louis Naudin
(jlnlabs.org) and Mr. Sterling D.Allan ( freeenergynews.com)
or simular entities, which are able to test and measure these devices and publish
in details the reports about these devices.

5. Patented devices do not apply, cause we want a solution that has no rights yet on it and
which would be free to build by anyone. Commercial replications must pay at least
10 to 20 % license fees to charity organisations
or simular organisations, that "feed the world" and help the poor.
This should be watched by the community to verify that commercial builder companies
really pay these licenses to charity organisations.

6. The inventor will get the prize money from me, if all 3 devices work at the website owners
and will still work after 3 months of time.
3 Months should be long enough to study and verify the 3 units and also do extensive
tests and measurements with them and first replications would be then already available
from the community.
The verification tests will be published widely all over the internet to spread quickly together
with the blueprints PDF File building instructions.

7. The device should not cost more than 500 US$ in part- and material-
prices to build and the inventor must also supply a DOC or PDF file with pictures
and building instructions and an explanation how he thinks that it works.

8. The inventor of the devices must build 3 devices from his own money and
loan these 3 devices to the 3 website owners for the 3 months test periods and
after this he can choose, if he wants to get the 3 devices back or would
like to sell these 3 devices to the test website owners to keep for themself.
The inventor needs to ship the 3 devices on his own costs to the 3 website owners.
If he can supply convincing videos in advance of the functioning of his 3 devices,
shipping charges can be paid by me, if he is low on money.

Please post your comments over here and also how we could best handle the "money
into the pot" transfer , if you also can afford to donate some money for the OverUnity Prize.

P.S: As I currently don?t have much time to fiddle around with graphics software,
I also need an artist, who is quick with animation graphics.
I need a Flash or animated GIF picture with a nice "logo" of a pot of Gold
or simular animated picture which we could use freely for this prize
and which displays the animated text "OverUnity Free Energy Prize".
Maybe a pot of gold on which sits the free energy device
which blinks and lights the text and this text in a half circle over it and
lighting up...
If you can donate such a nice animated picture you can put your name into the logo somewhere so you will be credited.

Please email me privately if you can donate such an animation logo graphics.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan Hartmann. ( admin of OverUnity.com )


I modified now the conditions on the 5th of October 2008 to lower the output power conditions,
so we will have sooner someone, who applies for the Prize.
See the new fixed conditions over here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5707.0

I hope this will get us faster to our goal of a free energy device.

Regards, Stefan.

Congrats Stefan...

There is no way anyone is going to cheat those rules.

It is also very realistic, unlike some other unbeatable challenges. Good Job.

;)

Hello,

Mramos, I agree!!!! Thats it, a better world!!!!

Otto

Hi Mr. Amos,
I disagree, as this will make inventors maybe change their mind not to patent
their invention, but go the way for open source and rather make money from
their famousity which this prize will bring them.
Okay, the prize money itsself is not much, but all the publicity and PR it generates
around the whole world and the Internet will be huge !

We are looking here for the real deal and not for any fake designs, so
that the device will have full documentation so everybody can rebuild
it for themself.
So all people will benefit, cause the invention is publically released.
When the device is presented
and as it is a must to have the same 3 devices that are working, we are sure
that it is replicable.

So I guess the competition to win the OverUnity Prize will
generate a lot of interest just for the inventor?s own mind, that he can say later:
"I have this won this price with my invention !"

hello all

im up for the challenge as you can see im an inventer of many things and a challenge  is much fun for me


i will see what i can come up with

does a wind turbine meet the cirriculum ?

if not i have many more inventions i have not posted on here


the innovation station team

Nice initiative!

Quote from: innovation_station on March 29, 2007, 11:00:50 AM
hello all

im up for the challenge as you can see im an inventer of many things and a challenge  is much fun for me


i will see what i can come up with

does a wind turbine meet the cirriculum ?

if not i have many more inventions i have not posted on here


the innovation station team

No,
it must be a system that puts out 24 hours at 7 days all year long at
least 50 Watts, not just when the wind blows...

@Mr. Amos,
surely the OverUnity prize is more like a PR thing to many
people who already want to donate their inventions freely.

The inventors who want to patent their devices should not apply.

But the ones who have something working and want to share it freely
and want to be remembered
in history should of course apply, cause this will sound nice, if they
could write on their resume:


......
2006 got my invention to work first time
2007 winner of the OverUnity.com prize
2008 winner of the Nobel prize
.....
.....


Regards, Stefan.

My suggestion is to put the money in advertising OverUnity.com like in Google Ads etc. Not only that we can have a voting system to put the money in qualified projects...and of course put money in for web space/bandwith.

KEEP IT OPEN SOURCE!


peace

Quote from: hartiberlin on March 29, 2007, 04:43:53 PM

2008 winner of the Nobel price
.....
.....


Regards, Stefan.

Looking forward to it ;D
The person who invent a true ou device would probably be dead (Killed by the oil industry) before he/she ever got nominated :D

Vidar

@hartiberlin

If someone posts the details of an OU device, I believe the money should be used to engage a recognised research organisation with all the necessary equipment and experience to produce an exact replication of the device (working with the inventor) and then report the findings and analysis to the forum.

This would provide invaluable assistance to individuals with limited time, funds and equipment also trying to replicate.

Regards

Sam

@ stephen


who said it ran off of an outside wind source??


and who  said that it would not spin 24/7
all year long?

is

@SAM,
yes, I could replicate it then,
when I have the device at my home and
can post multiple videos and pictures and
rebuild instructions.
Also I can show it to the local Technical University Berlin
over there to a few profs I know there
and some other local people who care about free energy.

As I requested 3 same units which run, the inventor
must already know, how to replicate it successfully
and the 3 units will be tested in 3 different parts of the world
and each testing group will release all informations immediately and
freely and publically as they just will test it.

Surely the inventor can and should release also all informations
already freely and publically before the 3 devices are shipped,
so that the info is already out.

Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: innovation_station on March 30, 2007, 02:45:23 AM
@ stephen


who said it ran off of an outside wind source??


and who  said that it would not spin 24/7
all year long?

is

Okay, let me formulate the conditions maybe this way:

Run 24 hours / 7  days a week / 365 days per year with an output
of at least 50 Watts electrically
and only have a fuel or maintainance cost per year of less than 100 US$
including "fuel" and reparation.

The device should be buildable for less than 500 US$ in part costs.
(not including labor cost)
The device should be able to be built by at least a well educated
mechanic or engineer, so it must not rely on very expensive tools
or machinery or if this is the case, there must be a source,
where one could get easily and cheaply these parts.

Also if it used water as the "fuel", it should not use more than 10 Liters
normal tap water per day.

It must not put out any dangerous pollution stuff and
must not be harmful to the environment.

It also must not use any very expensive or forbidden and/or  banned
radioactive materials, which are hard to get for the average guy
and are dangerous to handle and pose a threat for the environment.

Regards, Stefan.

Nice initiative!

I think this is a good idea.. I hope we all soon will be able to buy or build our own "free energy" devices! I have a good feeling for this.. 

Keep up the good work.   ;D
Vidar

read my last reply  :)

I spend that much in a month on my research. l do not think the prize is much of an incentive. Nice sentiment though.

I find the advertisement on your pages no problem. As a webmaster I know that hosting a site is not for free. I have some ads as well (allthough I try to keep the number of ads low because navigating is so much slower with alot of ads)

But in my case I use the earnings to buy material for my experiments. It feels so much better to use ad money for that then house hold money.

Eric.

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Hi All,
March was a good month for advertisement clicks,
so I raise now the prize money to 1200 Euros.

The prize is surely more an idological and PR thing, as it is still low.
But we have a few rich people in this forum and if an inventor
has the real thing and is donating it to the world freely, they might
also donate some more money to him.


Also it will generate a huge public relation action worldwide.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi to all,
interesting that even Mikes motor which was claimed to be the first fully documented OU device (you may remember it) cannot help anyone to win this prize. This is what I cannot understand that nobody seems to be sceptic enough or at least careful if someone claims to have done it. However, this makes the whole scene unreliable.
So please work more like a scientist! Make thinks reproducible and include all kind of possible errors in your measurement and publish them. Don't pretend others and of course don't pretend yourself! This does not help anyone.
I do not say that free energy isn't possible. But your research has to be built on solid ground to not only convince some gullible guys but also and more important those with science background.
PK

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i don't know if the "cyclic manner" is the only way. although i am not disregarding it.

Nuclear Bomb: Might be millions of times more energy (output) then it takes to mine ,process , build apparatus and react the material (input).

Ok I will take that money now   ,Just kidding ::)



Just watching the interest and outcome of this page.
IronHead

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Hi Stephan,

i think it's nice but maybe the 50 Watt is a bit much.

most overunity devices do not put out that much power untill their designs  are improved and their operating principle is fairly understood.

@Sauron,
we want to have a system that really puts out
energy for free on a rather larger scale.

If I would set the prize already for a 1 Watts device, it is
nice, but if it costs 500 US$ or more to build just only in parts,
it would be mostly too expensive for the most people
at this low output level.
Also if it would be built with accumulators in it,
it is harder and needs longer to be measure, if the energy is just coming
from the accumulators or is a real converted energy from some other free field.

What power output would you like to see the prize being given to ?
10 Watts ? 20 Watts ?

Regards, Stefan.

i don't know.
but i do know what matters is the diffrence overunity or not.
it does not really matter how much all that matters is that it is free unlimited clean energy.

Sauron

50 watts is a good high number. Might as well set your sights high for the prize. It should help "elevate" the competition. The idea of powering ONE 50 Watt bulb forever doesn't seem too unreasonable of a goal. Especially when you are talking about Overunity as compared to the vastness of the universe.

Quote from: hartiberlin on March 29, 2007, 09:42:15 AM
Hi Mr. Amos,
I disagree, as this will make inventors maybe change their mind not to patent
their invention, but go the way for open source and rather make money from
their famousity which this prize will bring them.
Okay, the prize money itsself is not much, but all the publicity and PR it generates
around the whole world and the Internet will be huge !

We are looking here for the real deal and not for any fake designs, so
that the device will have full documentation so everybody can rebuild
it for themself.
So all people will benefit, cause the invention is publically released.
When the device is presented
and as it is a must to have the same 3 devices that are working, we are sure
that it is replicable.

So I guess the competition to win the OverUnity Prize will
generate a lot of interest just for the inventor?s own mind, that he can say later:
"I have this won this price with my invention !"

Hi Stefan,

The problem with public domain regarding this issue is that it's hard to give away maybe 5 or more years of your work.  Here's a likely scenario: I give my design to the world, then some huge company who can mass produce it takes it and starts making big money off it, leaving me nothing but maybe some pats on the back and public recognition, like Tom Bearden or John Bedini.  Sure I can attempt to produce my own design and sell it but there's little chance I could compete with a huge company that can mass produce the thing at about one third the price.  After I let then cat out of the bag I can't complain about not being rewarded for my hard work if I don't publicly disclose it within a legal framework, i.e. in a patent.  A patent is a publicly recognized disclosure that gives the inventor the right to get rewarded for his hard work.  If there's no patent then he has no rights in it.  No right to sue, no right to complain.

The way I see it, if I patent it I can still let people produce it just as if I didn't patent it; or I can make some money from it (or both).  But if I don't patent it then I have shut down my options.  I then have no recourse.

I say patent it and let some people reproduce it but not others.  That way you control who gets to produce it.

Quote from: mrl on April 11, 2007, 07:54:58 PM


Here's a likely scenario: I give my design to the world, then some huge company who can mass produce it takes it and starts making big money off it, leaving me nothing but maybe some pats on the back and public recognition

Correct

I have to agree with sauron.
As long as it is overunity it should not matter. 50 watts may not seem to be high, but I have not seen anything that would even come close.

@mrl: Do you have the funds to 1) patent the idea, and 2) protect the patent?  You see, a patent doesn't protect your idea unless you actively prosecute anyone who infringes the patent (unless you patent in India, where the government prosecutes patent infringements).

What people forget is that ideas just come to you out of the aether, they are never 'your' ideas at all.  Ideas just float around and we tune into them.  Try not to have an idea and see what happens.  Try to just not think and (unless you are a yogi) thoughts will continue to come, regardless.

A patent is just another idea, a convention.  It doesn't stop someone stealing an idea, it simply means you may have recourse in a court of law to prosecuting someone if they infringe it.

Quite frankly, if someone manages to develop a free energy system that is widely and cheaply realisable then the world will become such an entirely different place that patents will no longer matter; people will again realise that, ultimately, everything is free and nobody 'owns' anything.  Think about it: if a device uses energy from the sun, is it possible to say that you own that energy from the sun?  The whole ownership concept is a purely imaginary idea in the first place.  The idea that America can 'protect' its oil in the middle east is outrageous!

Ideas are as cheap as the air you breath and are as easily available, except that your culture has taught you that the reverse is true.  Remember back to before you went to school (where you were taught that learning is difficult) and you will realise that what I have said is true.  Give them away for free and you will find that newer and greater ideas will take their place.  Whilst you are trying to profit from an idea you will be so bound up in all the ideas required to protect and profit by it that you will have no room for new creative ideas.

rant over.

Quote from: prajna on April 12, 2007, 06:54:18 AM
@mrl: Do you have the funds to 1) patent the idea, and 2) protect the patent?  You see, a patent doesn't protect your idea unless you actively prosecute anyone who infringes the patent (unless you patent in India, where the government prosecutes patent infringements).

What people forget is that ideas just come to you out of the aether, they are never 'your' ideas at all.  Ideas just float around and we tune into them.  Try not to have an idea and see what happens.  Try to just not think and (unless you are a yogi) thoughts will continue to come, regardless.

A patent is just another idea, a convention.  It doesn't stop someone stealing an idea, it simply means you may have recourse in a court of law to prosecuting someone if they infringe it.

Quite frankly, if someone manages to develop a free energy system that is widely and cheaply realisable then the world will become such an entirely different place that patents will no longer matter; people will again realise that, ultimately, everything is free and nobody 'owns' anything.  Think about it: if a device uses energy from the sun, is it possible to say that you own that energy from the sun?  The whole ownership concept is a purely imaginary idea in the first place.  The idea that America can 'protect' its oil in the middle east is outrageous!

Ideas are as cheap as the air you breath and are as easily available, except that your culture has taught you that the reverse is true.  Remember back to before you went to school (where you were taught that learning is difficult) and you will realise that what I have said is true.  Give them away for free and you will find that newer and greater ideas will take their place.  Whilst you are trying to profit from an idea you will be so bound up in all the ideas required to protect and profit by it that you will have no room for new creative ideas.

rant over.

A patent is a public claim notice and nothing more.  It is a way to stake your claim.

Hmmmmm....

So --- if someone works his fingers to the bone in order to bring something to fruition what you are saying is people should be able to just come and benefit by it and not be obligated to give anything in return.  If, let's say, he spent ten years of his life and $100,000 of his own money what you are saying is he does not own the work he has produced and, therefore, has no moral right to withhold the product of his labour.  He should just give it all way so others can benefit by it, most likely leaving him to die penniless. If he should be poor and starving he would have no right to complain.

Not much of an incentive is it?  Why would I want to do that?  However, there's no accounting for charity, which I believe in.  But some people cannot afford to be that charitable.  Everyone has their own reasons.

I believe they tried this kind of thing already.  It's called "communism" (every man according to his needs).  As you well know, that was not a successful model because it removed the incentive to work.

In order for people to come up with ideas, and work hard to bring them to fruition, there must be some sort of an incentive for them to do this.  You can say all the things you said above because you have not worked your fingers to the bone (years of your life and a lot of money) trying to get something to work.  If you did, I'm confident that you would want some sort of reward, such as an easer life, which money can buy.  However, as I said, there's no accounting for charity.  It's up to you.

As for your theory on where ideas come from I cannot prove nor disprove it.  However,  that really isn't the point.  The point is, the one who did the work is the one who has the moral right to benefit from it.  You cannot seriously say that: "the one who didn't do the work has the moral right to benefit from it".  If such was the case then anyone could come and take your house, your car, your food and the cloths on your back and you would have no moral right to complain.  So, in fact, property rights do exist.  They exist because if they didn't your life would be in constant danger (it's pretty hard to live without food and shelter).

Rant over.

Quote from: Sauron on April 11, 2007, 10:12:54 PM

Quote from: mrl on April 11, 2007, 07:54:58 PM


Here's a likely scenario: I give my design to the world, then some huge company who can mass produce it takes it and starts making big money off it, leaving me nothing but maybe some pats on the back and public recognition

Correct

Hi,
but as it is public domain, not just only one company will make , but very many companies,
so the competition would be very high, which means there is not much margain in the
sales of these devices, so they would not profit too much.

Also we as the community could force these compaies to pay to charity and to the
inventor some royalities ,
otherwise we could make "bad mouth" campaign against the company,
that does not pay these royalities.

Also you could demand as the inventor from the average buyer, that he will
donate 1 month worth of utility bills of money to you and if only 10 % of the people,
who buy the device will do this, you will get massive money
and finally the fame to be the inventor who changed the world.
History will never forget you.
This alone would be the most thrilling incentive at least for me...

Regards, Stefan.

All of that would have to be specified in the license ahead of time. GPL doesn't allow this kind of customization. MIT has an open source license as well, it's pretty liberal and might allow for some minor tweaking to allow for charity donation demands by manufacturers, or a small donation to the inventor. Not sure.

At any rate, I'll test one if it ever comes up.

Regards,
Rich

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@mrl: There is a difference between the world of nature and the world of culture.  Nature existed prior to culture and will continue to exist after it.  The problem is that it is very difficult to understand what is natural when you are immersed in this insane society that is so unnatural. Thus observations from nature seem alien to a mind that has been immersed in culture for the vast majority of its development.  What I wrote will appear crazy from a cultural perspective but that makes it no less true.  Culture (society) is responsible for wars and pollution and mental illness, so perhaps it is time to place less value on those delusional ideas and formulate some new ones based on the truth.

The truth is that there is no such thing as work and only someone completely insane would "work their fingers to the bone".  When a cow eats grass is she working or just eating?  When she drinks from the stream is she working or drinking?  How do you tell when you are working and when you are playing?  What is the difference between those two states? You might say that work is what you get paid for but what is money really?  How does it come into existence?  How much money is there in the world and how come some folks have to work for it and some just inherit it or conjure it out of thin air?

To live in nature costs nothing; it is free.  Once you want something other than what nature offers, there is a cost in terms of working against nature.  The more you work against nature the greater the cost.  Almost everything we do, short of breathing, is working against or placing demands on nature.

Why do we want 'free' energy in any case?  Isn't it because we are being ripped off by those who charge money for it at the moment, and that they create wars and other tragedies in the process of providing it?  You want to be rewarded for being fortunate enough to experience the joy of discovery so that you might do something to mitigate the fact that you are trapped in a world where almost everything you want to do will cost you money.  You want to pass your costs on to others; where do you think that the costs you face came from? Surely they arose because others have done the same to you. If you want free energy then now might be a good time for you to break the cycle and stop expecting a reward for receiving what nature offers you for free.

As for communism, who taught you that it disincentives work?  Isn?t that a good thing in any case?  I sure don?t want to work, do you? It is unnatural to want to do so.  It is, however, entirely natural to enjoy the thrill of discovery and to delight in creativity.  If you had all of your needs met (food, shelter and clothing) then why would you work?  You wouldn?t; you?d play, invent and create rather than consume, enslave and destroy.  Your playful creativity would benefit others and you would be benefited in turn by their playfulness.  Communism is yet another idea, no better or worse than capitalism; both are completely divorced from what is natural, and neither has been implemented in any way that benefits mankind or the world we live in.

If you are out to profit (something that absolutely does not exist in nature) then by all means patent.  If you are in the free energy thing for the betterment of mankind then by no means do so.  Work for free and encourage others to do the same, then we will have not only free energy but freedom in all aspects of life.

I?m not picking on you mrl, it is just that you offered me the opportunity to rant about a subject that is close to my heart.  Thank you for that.

"The theory of the communists may be summed up in the single sentence: abolition of private property."
   
                                   ------- Karl Marx   "The Communist Manifesto"

       Maybe you should read it and truly understand what that means?

I want to make this clear right now. I am not here to debate political systems. This is also a subject that is close to my heart, and I am a citizen of the United States of America. I am also a Constitutionalist, and firmly believe in the Bill of Rights as laid out by our Founding Fathers. I believe in the right to freedom of speech, right to bear arms, etc. as it was originally put down on paper. Not as it has been bastardized and evolutionized by the Socialist Scum that are in charge today. The right to property is GOD given, and no loser Communist can take it away without a fight.

All ranting aside. This is not the forum to debate this stuff. You stated what you believe, I stated what I believe. Now if you want to debate it somewhere else then PM me and I MIGHT be interested, but realistically I think you are a lost cause. (Just as you can believe that I am as well) .

So let's stop wasting Computer Memory and get back to work.

Thank you for your interest.

Quote from: gn0stik on April 12, 2007, 11:59:35 PM
All of that would have to be specified in the license ahead of time. GPL doesn't allow this kind of customization. MIT has an open source license as well, it's pretty liberal and might allow for some minor tweaking to allow for charity donation demands by manufacturers, or a small donation to the inventor. Not sure.

At any rate, I'll test one if it ever comes up.

Regards,
Rich

Nobody has applied yet and Naudin and St. D.Allen had not answered yet, if they want to test
one of the units.
So I think as You Rich are very active with your forum right now, I would send you a unit,
if someone applies.

If I find the time soon, I will put all the conditions , that we have laid out so far
in this thread into a PDF File and append it to the first posting in this thread to have
it all a little more straightened and cleared up.

Regards, Stefan.

Resinrat, what makes you think the right (define right) to property (define property) is god (define god) given?

I wasn't stating what I believe; that is the whole point.  Beliefs are what I am arguing against. Begin from what you don't have to believe, to what you can observe.  Did you ever observe ownership?  Did you ever observe a 'right', maybe growing all lush and purple next to a daffodil?  What kind of god, in her right mind, would give people the right to bear arms, fer christ'sake! Man might do so but no god worthy of the name would.

I am not a constitutionist, nor a communist nor socialist, nor any kind of 'ist. I don't fit into any box that you can write off as a lost cause and neither does the only part of you that has any import in the real world.  Surely this is the perfect thread to discuss rewards, profit, prizes, patent v. open source.

Who are you to dismiss this discussion from the category of work pertaining to free energy?  What counts as work anyway?  Isn't that essentially part of the discussion I was participating in? The problem is that you only believe in free speach, you don't practise it. I don't believe in it but I do practise it.

Please all,
don?t argue in this thread about politics and free speech, etc...
Please let this topic remain what it is,
a topic to apply for the OverUnity prize and who wants to join in donating money
to the inventor which will choose to apply for the prize.

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

Stefan,

part of that discussion involved the subject of patenting verus open source, that is what I was participating in. That subject arises often in various threads on this forum and, I feel, deserves discussion.  If this is not the thread for it then which is more suitable?  mrl labled some of my comments communist. No problem, I responded to that.  Resinrat tried to suggest that he wasn't here to debate political systems and then proceeded to expound his political views and, in the midst of an attempt to limit discussion, declared that he believed in free speech.

If you are going to offer a forum to discuss a prize, you have to expect people to compete to express their views regarding it.  My view is: don't limit the discussion, encourage it.  The rights and wrongs of rewards for developing free energy systems (from prizes throught patents, royalties and rewards) are an inherant part of those systems and are of interest to anyone involved in the field whether in a positive or negative sense.  If not here then where is the appropriate thread in which to discuss the philosophical aspects of invention? It certainly needs discussion.

Okay, please discuss this in the thread Open Source versus Patenting.
Many thanks for understanding.

Regards, Stefan.

Ah, yes.  Good thread to discuss in, Stefan.  Thanks.

Personally guys, if I invented an over unity machine, I would not give it to the public.  I would first file a patent on it.  Second, I would start making electricity so the power company paid me.  Then I would try licensing it or start my own company (or both).  Once the patent was granted, I would then share the basic concepts with the public - never divulge all the secrets.  I guess I'm a greedy bastard, but then again I don't have an over unity device - so no worries!

Quote from: Charlie_V on April 14, 2007, 10:30:48 PM
Personally guys, if I invented an over unity machine, I would not give it to the public.  I would first file a patent on it.  Second, I would start making electricity so the power company paid me.  Then I would try licensing it or start my own company (or both).  Once the patent was granted, I would then share the basic concepts with the public - never divulge all the secrets.  I guess I'm a greedy bastard, but then again I don't have an over unity device - so no worries!

sorry to hear that. maybe you haven't read http://www.overunity.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=75f92caae3e2856b642394e4b512a22d&topic=1821.0

good luck.

peace

Hi everyone,

Stefan has generously posted the overunity prize of 1000 Euros and I would like to also pledge $100 from my own pocket to anyone who meets the required goals. I am doing this to encourage other forum members to do the same in an effort to increase the prize reward and encourage others to do research into this goal of overunity.

The other reason I have done it this way is that Stefan will in no way be accused of stealing the money if it takes a long period of time -- perhaps years -- before anyone is able to claim the prize. This also takes the burden off Stefan for storing the pledged money. He really doesn't need any extra burdens right now.

Since this is on the honor system I am basing my reputation on fulfilling this obligation. I pledge that anyone that Stefan rewards the Overunity prize money to, I will also send them my $100 (US Dollars).

Thank you everyone for your interest.

Stephan,

The Overunity Prize is a fantastic idea.  Its PR value is even greater than the Prize itself, and may continue to be even as the purse grows through donations.  Get other leaders in the FE/OU movement around the world to join you in this, starting with JL Naudin.   Make a website dedicated to just the Overunity Prize, so that it gets wider exposure than just through forums.  Bring in OSEN, PESN, ZPenergy, Seaspower,  etc. as Co-Sponsors with Overunity.com.   Give it a logo.

The H2earth Institute [www.h2earth.org] would be delighted to participate, by pledging to host a visit by the winning entry/inventor here to Washington, D.C., together with demonstrations of the device before Members of Congress, Congressional Staff, and various potential grants sources that might fund him to take it further.   The worldwide publicity that would accompany such demonstrations here would advance its acceptance considerably.  I'm sure that another sponsor could be found who would make similar arrangements with the EU in Brussels for the winner to attend.

Also, if you would be interested in holding fundraisers in different cities/countries to generate more cash for the Overunity Prize, we would help to facilitate one such event here.   I believe that in no time, you could raise the total purse to over $1 Million (or million euros) through a series of such events.

The [recently announced] Automotive X-Prize is a good model for your endeavor.

Best wishes on the new project!

Cordially,
David L. Wenbert
Executive Director
The H2earth Institute
Washington, D.C.

Web:    www.h2earth.org
Skype:  dave.wenbert
Video:   www.youtube.com/h2earth

Many thanks to Dave (ResinRat) for the additional donation.
Also many thanks to David for the tips how to advance the OverUnity prize. I really need some help with this all, cause I don?t have so much time to do it all by myself. So if anybody could join in, please let me know. Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

@stephan

Stephan I think what you are attempting to do is wonderful, and should be commended.  I also believe that in todays world it is unrealistic to believe that anyone will actually take you up on your offer.

If the machines can be built for $500 it will cost the inventor $1500 to build the three machines to send to you and two other testers.   On top of this it will cost several thousand dollars to freight these machines to different parts of the world.

As one who knows the costs and long hours away from your family required to develop a functional over unity device, it seems almost insulting to ask the inventor to pay to build three machines, and then to pay to freight them around the world.

I think you may be more likely to get what you want if you were to review the data from prospective inventors, and if you believe you find one with merrit, use your money to fund the building of the three test machines, and freighting them,

Kind regards

Frank

Stefan,

    I am glad to see you have put this together.  I like your terms of 3 independent sites and 3 months to verify.  When someone meets those conditions I pledge a thousand in US currency to the inventor.

Over time these pledges will really add up... the word will get out even more then.

Thank you.

Daniel

Quote from: Magnamotion on May 04, 2007, 06:22:22 AM


If the machines can be built for $500 it will cost the inventor $1500 to build the three machines to send to you and two other testers.   On top of this it will cost several thousand dollars to freight these machines to different parts of the world.
......
Kind regards
Frank

Hi Frank,
if it will be for instance a small TPU like device, where only under 1 KG copper
wire is used, I guess this device could be build for less than 50 US$.

So okay, if it needs already 500 US$ just in parts, this is
then of course more challenging...

Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: Danner on May 04, 2007, 10:12:30 AM
Stefan,

    I am glad to see you have put this together.  I like your terms of 3 independent sites and 3 months to verify.  When someone meets those conditions I pledge a thousand in US currency to the inventor.

Over time these pledges will really add up... the word will get out even more then.

Thank you.

Daniel

Hi Daniel,
many thanks for the offer and the contribution !

I guess we should do it all in US$ currency, cause this
is more known to the users over here.

So okay, as April was okay with the advertisement I also donate another
200 US$.
So the money now in the prize pot is now:

1700 US$ from me, Stefan
1000 US$ from Daniel (user Danner)
100 US$ from Dave (user ResinRat2)
==============================
2800 US$ total.

Many thanks for all the contributions.

Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: hartiberlin on May 04, 2007, 04:34:16 PM

Quote from: Magnamotion on May 04, 2007, 06:22:22 AM


If the machines can be built for $500 it will cost the inventor $1500 to build the three machines to send to you and two other testers.   On top of this it will cost several thousand dollars to freight these machines to different parts of the world.
......
Kind regards
Frank

Hi Frank,
if it will be for instance a small TPU like device, where only under 1 KG copper
wire is used, I guess this device could be build for less than 50 US$.

So okay, if it needs already 500 US$ just in parts, this is
then of course more challenging...

Regards, Stefan.

Yes, it is more challenging. Unfortunately the only person it is more challenging for is the inventor you are trying to persuade to give away their lifes work.

I noticed earlier that you said that there are several wealthy members who support open sourcing.   

There were also many members who have said that they would give away the design if they came up with it.

If this is true I would think it would be a realatively simple matter to approach all of those individuals, and ask them to donate a substanial amount of money each, which could be deposited into an "Open source" trust account.

The purpose of this account will be to purchase the rights to any free energy technology which can meet your criteria.

By doing this all problems will be removed.   As soon as a functioning device is discovered the trust fund can be used to purchase the rights from the inventor, so the inventor is protected, and the "open source trust" can then release the design to the world, and share the cost of giving free energy to the world by putting their money where there mouth is, as you have done.

I would however suggest that it will be essential not just to pledge the money, but to actually donate it to the trust fund.   This will prevent any skeptisism on the part of would be claimants who are as cautious about so called prizes as you are about claims of free energy machines. 

I think many inventors who would like to open source, but cant really afford to would find this offer very attractive.

Best wishes Frank

who is to check and balance the "trust" fund???

devilzangel
..

get an official notary public for the trust fund etc.

KEEP IT OPEN SOURCE!


peace

Quote from: Magnamotion on May 05, 2007, 01:21:12 AM


Yes, it is more challenging. Unfortunately the only person it is more challenging for is the inventor you are trying to persuade to give away their lifes work.

I noticed earlier that you said that there are several wealthy members who support open sourcing.   

There were also many members who have said that they would give away the design if they came up with it.

If this is true I would think it would be a realatively simple matter to approach all of those individuals, and ask them to donate a substanial amount of money each, which could be deposited into an "Open source" trust account.

The purpose of this account will be to purchase the rights to any free energy technology which can meet your criteria.

By doing this all problems will be removed.   As soon as a functioning device is discovered the trust fund can be used to purchase the rights from the inventor, so the inventor is protected, and the "open source trust" can then release the design to the world, and share the cost of giving free energy to the world by putting their money where there mouth is, as you have done.

I would however suggest that it will be essential not just to pledge the money, but to actually donate it to the trust fund.   This will prevent any skeptisism on the part of would be claimants who are as cautious about so called prizes as you are about claims of free energy machines. 

I think many inventors who would like to open source, but cant really afford to would find this offer very attractive.

Best wishes Frank

Hi Frank,
in the next 2 months I don?t have much time for these things
and this would take a lot of work and paperwork and organisation
to set something up like this...

So in this moment I prefer to let it stay like it is.
If somebody comes up, who can deliver these 3 devices,
which will at least output 50 Watts contineously and
will give it to us for testing, the
"donation persons" who will contribute will send the money themself
to the inventors when the prize is nominated and all is
published.
So I don?t need to keep money from other people and
everybody is safe with his own money, until the prize is
nominated and announced.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Frank, and all,

I think some of us are looking at this prize money in the wrong way. This is simply a reward for anyone who open-sources the technology so it can be used by the world. It does absolutely require the open-hearted generosity of the inventor to release his work for the benefit of mankind.

If you are an inventor who has no interest in releasing your work without big-time compensation, then by all means keep it to yourself. Whatever you accomplished will probably die with you and never see the light of day. If that is your idea of accomplishment then good for you. This prize, on the other hand, is for the generous of heart who see their work as a benefit toward the future accomplishments of their families and decendants, and all mankind as well.

That way your work and effort won't be buried and lost for someone else to try and discover AGAIN!

Are you kidden me,

Im all for the free energy open source. but come on. this isnt the x prize here.
Do you see Tom Bearden and Bedinini posting the MEG on here or anyother plausible overunity device. I mean im all for downing the oil barons but im having a hard time believing that anyone who discoveres a solid overuntiy device is going to forget about patenting the idea and settle for roughtly 2000$ us.

Why not just us the extra cash to keep the bandwith up on the site,

jesse

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I have a functional over unity motor now.   

And as it happens I dont want to make an obscene amount of money from my invention.

I would like to make some return to my family for all the time I have spent working instead of being with them, and to ensure they have a safe future.

I would dearly love to see my device in mass production.

If I open source it, is there anyone on here who honestly believes that the vast majority of the worlds population are going to build their own, or is it more likely that a bunch of large companies are going to take my hard work, for free say thanks very much and start mass producing large volumes of the units for sale.

If this is the case then how is the public at large helped by open sourcing.

The reality is that Open sourcing does not work where there are economies of scale that must be reached to make manufacturing affordable to the man in the street.

@Magnamotion
you can be rich by being very famous then.

If you do it  right and everybody knows
you are the inventor, you can make millions from
advertisement and writing a book about your invention
and your life...

It is much less trouble than to get a patent...
and you might loose it due to bigger
corporations fighting your patent.

Quote from: hartiberlin on May 11, 2007, 01:48:16 AM
@Magnamotion
you can be rich by being very famous then.

If you do it  right and everybody knows
you are the inventor, you can make millions from
advertisement and writing a book about your invention
and your life...

It is much less trouble than to get a patent...
and you might loose it due to bigger
corporations fighting your patent.

Hi Stephan,

Thank you for your comments.

Unfortunately the problem I see lies in the first line of your second paragraph... "If you do it right".   Im not sure I do know how to do this next stage right.   

A. Im an engineer, not an author.
B. I dont want to be famous, Im happy being just a husband and a father.
C. Surely if a large corportation can challenge a patent, then they would also be able to challenge any other plans to write a book etc on the same basis.
D. It still does not address the problem of large corportations taking my work freely and mass producing the units as their own.

Any constructive feedback will be welcomed.

Kind regards to all Frank

Hi Frank,
it surely depends on what you have
If for instance it is a selfrunning magnet motor,
then you could makeit this way:

Make a short video in at least 640x480 res with at least
15 frames/sec(better 25 or 30)
and take a few pictures of the device too,
write an article about it,how it works,best as a PDF file
and put it all into a ZIP archive and upload it over here and
at many other places like
rapidshare.de, megaupload.com other free energy sites, etc.

Also put a bio about you into the archive, so everybody will know,
that you are the inventor.

Then you can also write a PDF file with more pictures and blueprints
and you can sell this via Clickbank.com as an Ebook
for instance.

Later you can write a bigger book about it
or let it write via a friend or a company, or something like this.
Of courseyou could also sell printed booklet with plans, etc..via Ebay
or your own website...
There are many possibilities...
You can then ask inside the text of your ZIP archive,
if the people build this thing themself and it saves
them utility money, they should send at least their
first saved money to you instead paying it to the utility company.

I guess, many people would love to do this.
There are endless possibilities to make money
from such an earthshaking invention which will revolutionize
the energy production...
but only if the technology is openly shared and not
hidden in mysteries and secretivity.

Surely the big companies will all build these units too,
but due to the competition, there will not be a big margin
for them, as all companies get the plans at the same time...
Maybe you getthe offer to be hired by such a big company,
as you are the inventor and the PR to say,
"we have the inventor
onboad our company, so we have the best product"
makes sense... so as you are the specialist, who knows
everything about it, there is a big chance, that you will
get the highly paid job !

Again, patenting is just a waste of time and money,
if it really is a breakthrough device
it must be put into the open source, otherwise
money will just buy you out and it will be put in a hidden closet...
so nobody will win..

Regards, Stefan.

Hello stefan and all, the on profit organisaiton http://www.panacea-bocaf.org, has just been given an open source replication of the Roto -verter technology, im sure i it was submitted that we would give the money back to the inventors for their research on this and other forums.

Any body can replicate this device, as is given open sourced.
I will keep you posted on OUR replication, plans and instructions for the device can be  found
http://panacea-bocaf.org/rotoverter.htm

Regards
Ashtweth

Hi Ashtweth,
please let me know more.

Does it use batteries for storage ?
How much power does it put out
and how big is ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: ashtweth_nihilisti on May 15, 2007, 01:08:15 AM
Hello stefan and all, my non profit organisaiton http://www.panacea-bocaf.org, has just been given an open sourced replication of a self running electric motor with a neon switching circuit, this is related to the Roto -verter technology, im sure i it was submitted that we would give the money back to the inventors for their research on this and other forums.

Any body can replicate this device, as is given open sourced.
I will keep you posted on OUR replicaiton, plans and instrucitons for the device cna bew found in the research and development sections under 'zero point energy' then to Roto verter.

Regards
Ashtweth

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,203.0.html

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,512.0.html

@ Stefan

I, for one, appreciate your efforts here.

I thought I would post here my thoughts on OPEN v patent etc.

It might be good for people to think about what has happened to almost every single person who has tried to patent, keep secret important parts of, and otherwise not allow full public disclosure of new technologies that run against the "accepted truths" of the mainstream scientific/political world system. OU most definitely falls into this category as you all know.

OPEN would appear to be the only way for any inventor of this type of technology to remain alive and well.

Personally, if any of my ideas come to fruition, I will be more than happy to allow anyone and everyone to copy my work and possibly improve on it. If they can make a profit on it then let them, although the profit margin would probably be extremely thin, owing to the fact that others would also be doing the same thing. In this respect competition is a definite plus!

[/minor rant]

I would look on the prize moneys as a fitting "return on investment" even though the return would never equal the effort spent on any endeavor.

BTW, just so you all know, I am not a moneyed person. I just don't require a lot of it for my personal happiness.

Efficiant pnuematic actuator.
Timming logic.
PMG.

Same concept as a wind turbine.

Hit ......... Hit ..... Hit ... Hit .. Hit ..Hit . Hit . Hit Hit Hit.

Think of it as pushing a Merry Go Round.

Air power combined with magnetics to generate power ...

One more thing based off the principal of induction you could also get energy from each actuation ;) Think shakey flashlight.

To build something over unity you must get energy from every source possible.

It aint no mericle by any means you need to think you could even put this thing outside enclosed in a shed covered with solar panels to generate the power used for the compressed air ;)

Think multi generation not just one single thing too many people think oh I just want this or that  really this thinking is too efficiant to arrive at something efficiant if you conserve thought you will not conserve energy.

Think outside the box.

I made a small animation for the OverUnity Prize competition:

Stefan,

    Very good work.  I did notice a few spelling errors.   I put what I think are the words you are looking for after the suspect words in parenthesis.


Get yourself the Prize you deserve and present your OverUnity device that will power the world.
You have to have at least 3 protoytpes (prototypes) that put out 50 Watts of real electrical power contantaneously (continuously) !
Each prototype must not cost more than 500 US$ in parts and
must be loaned to OverUnity.com for a 3 months test period.
2 of these devices will be sent to other affiliates in the world
and tested their (there).
After 3 months and a positive test outcome the Prize will be assigned to you and worldwide presented.

   Another suggestion I have is to update the title each month to the new prize total.  I'm sure as time goes on it will catch more attention that way.

Keep up the good work!
Daniel

 ::) removed by poster

Many thanks for the corrections.
I changed now the animation a bit and removed the popup window, which
was annoying.
At least your are already here in the forum, when you see it.

I don?t have much time now to work further on it and that?s it for now.
As this was a free account at this presentationengine.com
site I hope they will not delete the animation after the 5 day trial.

Regards, Stefan.

Well I have a design, been working on it for three years, lol,and it should only cost about $500 or less depending on the set up, but it's output should be well over 1,000% over input depending on set, could be more if more money is spent on it, no working one yet, money problems, i'm only 17, but when i do get it working in probably a couple weeks to months, depending on the money,  i would be more then happy to make it free to the public and send it to you and the two others for validation. The only thing i would want is my name on it,thats all i ask. and thats where the patent thing comes in, if i did or any one else for that matter made a over unity machine, then just any one could take that idea and patent and then it's not your's and make the money. well what does anyone else think about the patent problem. thanks

Quote from: Nemesiswes on June 05, 2007, 03:07:22 AM
Well I have a design, been working on it for three years, lol,and it should only cost about $500 or less depending on the set up, but it's output should be well over 1,000% over input depending on set, could be more if more money is spent on it, no working one yet, money problems, i'm only 17, but when i do get it working in probably a couple weeks to months, depending on the money,  i would be more then happy to make it free to the public and send it to you and the two others for validation. The only thing i would want is my name on it,thats all i ask. and thats where the patent thing comes in, if i did or any one else for that matter made a over unity machine, then just any one could take that idea and patent and then it's not your's and make the money. well what does anyone else think about the patent problem. thanks

hi and welcome to the forum.

please see http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1821.0.html

thanks!

peace :)

One device must be shipped to me at OverUnity.com ( Dip. Ing. Stefan Hartmann)
and the 2 other devices can be shipped for instance to Mr. Jean Louis Naudin
(jlnlabs.org) and Mr. Sterling D.Allan ( freeenergynews.com)

There is no way any  serious person would send anything to moonbats associated with T Bearden. Sterrling Allan is legit, but anyone associated with "AIAS", which is just a new name for Vangard Sciences/KeelyNet, same moonbats, and same nonsensical "<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free_energy/files/meg_debunk.pdf>"Bearden Math"</a> mumbo jumbo. (What does AIAS stand for? AIAS - "Alpha Foundation's Institute for Advanced Study." Where does "Alpha" come from? I don't know.) It is obvious Tom Bearden, AIAS,  and everyone involved in the MEG project, do not understand basic textbook physics. This is not especially surprising, when one considers Tom Bearden has repeatedly stated everything in standard textbooks is wrong.

Taking a 100w resister and zaping it with high voltage, thus frying it, then claiming it is some miracle wonder device  which "recieves energy from the vaccum"  still makes engineers roll around the floor in fits of laughter.

"Bearden has a litany of spurious claims. It is amazing how much damage somebody like Bearden can cause."  Lawrence B. Crowell' (http://www.phact.org/e/z/BeardenReview.htm)

"Abstract: We show that the AIAS group collection of papers on a ``new electrodynamics'' recently published in the Journal of New Energy, as well as other papers signed by that group (and also other authors) appearing in other established physical journals and in many books published by leading international publishers (see references) are full of misconceptions and misunderstandings concerning the theory of the electromagnetic field and contain fatal mathematical flaws, which invalidates almost all claims done by the authors."

[Note: At the meeting of the Natural Philosophy Alliance quoted in footnote 2, Dr. Munera was present. He confirmed to the public attending W.A.R. lecture at that meeting that his name has been used withouth his consent in some publications of the AIAS group.

A.L. Trovon de Carvalho and W.A. Rodrigues Jr, published in "Random Operators and Stochastic Equations" (http://quantumfuture.net/quantum_future/bearden.htm#rose)

It would be wize to read the rest.

It would also be wize to dissasociate your contest from  quacks.

Hi OffGrid rdnck (redneck?),
I wan't to beleive that it is possible to tap the see of energy which is just some sort of a potential field an a therory that nobody can proof just like the big bang, but many are talking about as they have witnessed it.
I do agree that many are talking rubbish. I can state this as far it concerns electronics since I have studied electronics at university. But I'm open to other ideas. However, before I call out everything is possible and can be done, I try it myself and do my own research. When I'm successful in making excess energy then, and only then I will call out that free energy is real an possible.
I regret that many of the (self named) experts are topping each other in just guessing. Science today is able to do many unbelievable things which are repeatable and which are based on proofed theories. All their scientific works are comprehensible and fully documented.
I won't agree that the idea of gaining free energy which is only the tapping of energy that is already around, would not be possible, but I can say that for the non-aceptance of this idea it's "researcher" have to be blamed, because of their sloppy work, no matter if they are right or wrong!

So don't pay attention to all the other bullshit artists and faultfinder who want to attend scientific research and have not done their homework yet.
P.K.

As of until now J.L.Naudin and St. D. Allan did not answer my emails,if they want and can
test the devices.

So I have now choosen Rich Weber from gn0sis.com in the US to be the second party.

The best thing for the 3rd party would be an independent  university I guess.

So who is applying for this challenge ?
Please send me a private email.

Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Hello Stefan,

Well I have somthing to say here.    Now I have been working on a free energy project for over 25 years now.   I have just about tryed about everything. That is on the internet.   And after the new rare earth magnets came out I tryed them all again.  I could not get anything to produce power out.  I have suceded in making severial self running models, but in time they would guit because of magnet degradation.

   So I am here to say that there is no simple way to build a self runner that will produce extra power.  It is going to cost alot of money.   Now I am very gratfull that you are going to give a reward for a self runner that produces 50 watts of extra energy.   I think it will aspire more interest in people to get on the band wagon.

I have been very carefull of what I had to say here on this forum about my motor.  However I am going to state something in hopes that I don't get a visit from the MIB,  I have allready gotten six thretening calls, from I don't now where. The calls were not traseable, One I found out was from my home town made from a pay phone at a super market. The person on the line said to stop building the motor or my family was dead.

The 2" magnet motor I had running, I took it down to Goodyear Atomic plant to have it tested by one of there electronics and motor tecknitions.    Now mind you that this motor was just a two valve motor and it was running of a set of motorcycle points.  Now the points would only last just over 5 minuts at full load till they burnt up.  And the motor was just a two valve motor using 2" diam.  magnets.  It had at least 1/4 turn/rev of cost time.

This motor tested out to be in the range of 200% efficiency.  The guy that tested the motor imediatly baught into my company. Now I have been very cauthous to tell this story, because of feer of someone trying to put me to sleep.

Now my problem,  I have built a new motor that uses 4"x2"x1" magnets.  Now when I built this motor there was three different places that had the magnets I needed, when I got the motor done, I didn't have the money to buy the magnets.   Now I finally got the money and I cannot find the magnets anywhere.   So I am currently building a motor that will be a three valve motor that uses three stacks of 1" magnets 6 inches high.   Now the magnets alone cost over $700.00 in us currency.  The total cost of this new motor I estimate will be over $3000.00.  I had to buy more solicon steel and more aluminum to build it, more stanless steel bolts and bearings for the shaft.

This new motor will use 2"x2"x1" N48 Magnets stacked 6 high.  Just the magnets alone will produse about 20% more power over the 2" round magnets.  This new motor will also have a 7 inch rotor over the 5 inch rotor that the old motor had.  This should mean much more torque to the shaft.   I have found someone that is willing to build an electronic controller(Honk) for this new motor for free. However I have pleged him a shares of the company.   I am very gratfull to him.    I also found someone to donate the magnet wire(boxofsparks) to to wind the coils for this motor.  He also will get a new motor.

Now when this new motor is built I am going to take it to the Ohio State university to have it checked out.  They would not check the other motor out because it was not electronic controlled and it was sometimes not self starting because of the 1/4 cost time.

I would like to win your reward but I have a problem,  How am I going to get the money to build severial test units to send around the world, this motor weigh's in the neberhood of around 100 lbs so shipping alone would be very expencive.  It takes me around two months to just build one of these things, let alone the cost to build them.

I have plains to realease the plains to this motor on this message board as soon as I get the patents back from the patent aturney.   I would like to know what the problem is with getting patents on this thing and then turning it loose for every one to build.   I think getting patents on something like this is the best way to protect the invention itself.    If I don't get patents on it I run the risk of a big company getting patents and stoping everyone else from producing it.   Now I now you are going dispute that wance it is made public it cannot be patented, but I have found out that things can be baught and paid for in the good ole USA.

The one thing I want foir this motor is for it to be shared with everyone.  Now I realize that just everyone will not be able to build it, but with good plains they could have it built by a good machine shop.   I want my grand children to have just as good a life on this earth as at least I had or maybe even better.  And with global warming, if it keeps up, it's going to be hell on this earth in about 20 years from now if someone does not produce clean power.    I say hats of to every one that is working on clean power on this board.  However it is just not going to be cheep to do.

I have visited over three places just in Ohio that have self running units.  However they are just that, no extra power.   The simple ways are not going to produce extra power.  If that were the case there would be hundreds of them now on the market.

I would like to collect your prize money when this thing is built, and also make plains avalable to everyone, but I just do not know how I can aford to build units to send out to different people for testing.    Maybe you can tell me.

Thanks,,,,,,,,,Later,,,,,,,,,Jack W Hildenbrand

Hi Jack,
sorry, I am a bit in a hurry now,
but still want to reply now.

If your new big motor will run with these expensive
magnets, it should be possible to scale it down
and build smaller maotors with using standard normal
neodym magnets , which only costs a few dollars.

So maybe you can learn from your new motor, which
parameters it really needs and try then to build smaller
ones, which also work and put out at least 50 Watts.

Would be interesting to hear from you, which motors
you saw, that selfrun, but just only overcome friction.
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

forget the patent and share already :)

and hartiberlin has a good point, just scale down this machine to a smaller size instead of using ridiculously expense materials.

peace

Hello Stefan and FreeEnergy,

Well that would be nice, however by using smaller magnets you only get a self runner that will not put out extra power.    By using the valve I invented I cannot get extra power out without going up to at least a 2" magnet.  So that really puts me out on your prize money.  The ridiculously expense materials, just seems to be the way it needs to be.   I don't think you will ever need to worry about giving away your prize money.   Please don't think that I am just being smart about this, but that is just how it is.

I can tell you again, and I know it will just go through one ear and out the other,  You will never see a simple motor that will put out extra power.  I am not being smart about this, but I have been in this business for a long time and have never had a motor that would put out extra power till I went with at least a 2" magnet.  Permanent magnets are just not that strong yet. They do not even come close to matching the magnetic power that you find in an electric motor.

Now I have been looking out on this board for severial years now and I can see that there is always someone working on someone elses stuff.  Always a rehash of old stuff.  If this old stuf worked there would be free power right now.  I am sure that the inventers that invented this stuff, if it really worked, we would have free power.

The wankel motor is one that I have seen running it's self.  However it would only run it's self and would only run about three days and you needed to replace the magnets.   Remember the wankel motor uses repulson mode on the magnets and that will depleate the magnets over time.   For any motor that will continue to operate for extended periods, the magnets will allways need to be in atraction mode.   I have seen that with my motor, if I increase the current till it over powers the permanent magnet just a little bit, it will not run long.   As long as I run the current till it only matches the permanent magnet it will run for ever with out destroying the magnets.

Thanks,,,,,,,Later,,,,,,JackH

Hi Jack,
if your principle really will work, it should only be an engineering task to scale
it down to use smaller magnets too and also work then.

I guess you still have the problems of switching the right current pulses
to your coils and having the right timeconstants and getting rid
of the back EMF fast enough..or overcome the Inductance to
switch the coils on fast enough..

As in your motor it is a dynamic system and this is different
than when you just switch DC voltage onto an electromagnet to
compensate any permanent magnet field...

The one who runs his motor in attraction is Paul Sprain and
his "wankel principle" as you call it, seems to work.
His newest motor which I already have seen pics of privately
will probably blow away many people?s opinion on it ! ;) ;D

Regards, Stefan.

Hello Jack,

Quote from Jack:  "You will never see a simple motor that will put out extra power."

I would tend to agree that a simple small motor will not be capable of producing 50 watts additional output.  It will require a successful small permanent magnet motor idea that is capable of obtaining gain, that can be made into several motors teamed up together (creating a more complex motor with more strength and multiple magnetic poles like a standard  electric motor) to have the chance to approach this goal.  It is then unlikely that an average inventor would be able to afford to make three of these motors and send them out.  Most inventors find it very difficult to successfully make a small permanent magnet motor with the potential of gain.

But I must say that I like the idea of a prize for the inventor.  Perhaps if there were different levels of prize for different levels of achievement?

Hope you are doing well Jack and Stephan.

Wishing you all the best.

Liberty

Hello Liberty and Stefan,

I will be the first to hatts off for Stefan for offering this prize money.  However I also think it will be very hard for a small machine shop or inventer to grab it.

Stefan,  I have built severial small motors that would just bearlly selfrun(1" magnets).  But here comes the hard part, most generators do take alot of pull down during a load, I have seen very little that do not.   Even if you had a generator that did not provide a pull down during load, just the gearing or chain drive to operate this generator has a 20% loss.   Even if you mounted it on the same shaft it would take a motor that is about 200% efficient to operate it and still produce 50 watts.   50 Watts is alot of power to produce with a small motor.

I hope that you finally do find someone that CAN do it.  That will mean free energy, I hope for all.

Later,,,,,,JackH

The document is out guys

Stefan......get your money ready...hey! you could claim it yourself now!

That would simplify the paper work!

Ha    good times are here

Lindsay Mannix

Quote from: JackH on June 08, 2007, 01:45:17 AMSo I am here to say that there is no simple way to build a self runner that will produce extra power.  It is going to cost alot of money.

nah Jack, you already know why this is.

Quote
Now I have been looking out on this board for severial years now and I can see that there is always someone working on someone elses stuff.  Always a rehash of old stuff.  If this old stuf worked there would be free power right now.  I am sure that the inventers that invented this stuff, if it really worked, we would have free power.

see?

It's awfully ironic, if you cant think like an inventor you cant reproduce their vague works. It's just not going to happen!

Mark my words: I've never build anything but I know the workings of most previous devices. This of course makes me a delusional fool.  So I'm not going to bother to explain it to anyone. (ha!)

The biggest irony is that after figuring out your inventi0n I fail to see what I should do with it. My gut says I should do nothing and enjoy the show. ;D I think you kind of have enough to worry about.

But my point is that reproduction can get you to the point where the other guy gave up. After that you have to build your own railroad of thought anyway, so why not start with that?

The thing is that people have been violently bashed out of their creative mindset. 90% of mankind is the equivalent of a calculator with legs.

It's easy to see how indoctrinated everyone is. When ever there is a conspiracy those who want to expose it are the one's under attack.

We fry people in the Edison chair with 2 witness testimonials. But in public opinion your MIB are obviously fake, just like your motor. Even tho that already makes 2 eye witness testimonials. It seems like inventors only get attention from the wrong people? :-\

You are very correct to say magnets aren't going to supply our worlds energy needs. Specially when people are only interested in discussion why not to have the discussion.

I wrote this doc, there is no room to escape the gist of the message, I've left not an inch of room for debunkery.

http://clean-nuclear-energy.go-here.nl (http://clean-nuclear-energy.go-here.nl)

This is a good tool to slap disbelievers back into the real world. You can copy/past/save the doc to disk, do what ever you want with it.

@hartiberlin

I'm sure you can find 3 nuclear p0wer plants for the reproduction? I have the feeling that even your free energy enthusiasm is not big enough to bother doing so. I know it sounds like a joke but it's awfully sad actually...

If you manage to get 3 reproduction I will explain how Edward Leedskalnin was able to build Corral Castle. I didn't explain it jet as I think the coral castle mystery is one of the few things still able to inspire people.

All waiting for Agnes to return ghehehe

I'm just a little nieve but, I wasn't born last night. Should I believe in MIB? Yes. Should I give you my toy to sell to the world, no. Publish, hmmmmmmmm, no. The MIB have been discovering and immediately burying untold numbers of inventions and inventors for probably the last one hundred years. I think that if success arrives, you want recognition and give a gift to world then this what you must do to keep from being MIB'd. Don't get in a hurry. Save some money up, or borrow it, or put it on a credit card, something! Remember, MIB don't play. If you want to share with the world and be safe follow this instruction. Please.

The successful indiviual should burn several thousand, at least a thousand, high quality dvds of video documentation including plans and specs. Do the copying of the dvds at home or at a frends, not at Office Depot. Some one may watch. That's how they just caught the Fort Dix terrorists.

That person should then travel to a large city. Mail them all from as many as twenty postal locations but, and most especially, on the same day. Use no fewer than ten post offices. Send them to all major news agencies with a note saying you also sent the same dvd to a few of their of competitors. Don't name the competition. Send copies to engineering schools, faculty and students. Saturate MIT with them. Send them to friends, lots of friends, family, co-workers, the church. Send them to people you don't even know. Send them to Green orginizations. Don't send them to any one in government, not even Al Gore. Send one to Steorn in Ireland. I'd send one to you if you posted an address.

There are some particulars about the video that must be followed. Anyone looking at a grainy fuzzy video clip is immediately suspicious or bored so, it must be a crystal clear video. The presentation needs to be rehearsed. Conversation is not necessary. All mechanical devices must be shown so all components are clearly visible, not hidden by black or some other color tape.

Mechanical devices must be shown running without any wiring or test equipment attached for at least five minutes continiously, unless the wiring is an integral part. The wiring and the connected components should be close-upped and slowly panned. The item needs to be displayed on a table of normal height. The underside of the table needs to be slowly panned with the camera. The video needs to be done in good lighting. Hire someone to do a video of the table without showing them or telling them about your invention, then rent the same equipment. Invite a friend to film a cardboard box on the table. Look at the clip. Can you see the box? Can you read the printing?

If followed through, this will get your gift to the world. To earn recognition you have to show your face and give your name. I did like the $500 dollar cap. Save a few dvds back for yourself. Give one to a lawyer, not to be opened. Mail 2 or 3 to yourself. Save them unopened in different locations, not all at your house.

If the MIB would show up act real crazy. If NBC news shows up tell'm CBS is on the way.

Why , are all making it so complex
I'm a true amateur, so I work with things I find in the house and test, no calculations what so ever.
I did a small test with lego toys of my kid,
first I putted 8 magnets (strong magnets to polarize water with (anti chalk)  in line,(had some problems keeping them close to each other, you can imagine, jumping magnets al over the place, ,but  I managed . Now I build a small car on wheels containing a magnet, put it over the first magnet, gave it a start push, and it accelerated over the magnets away from me. I still play with it
Ok proofs nothing
Second:
Putted the same type of magnets in a circle (horizontal), this time I had to replace the car by a wheel inside this circle, had some trouble adding the magnet again, pushed it and it moved constantly accelerating, but as toys do it broke, magnets flew away etc.
I 'm now looking for better materials and magnets? it does not start on its own, but after a push accelerates slowly, depending on friction of the toys I used, I presume.
Now I?m looking for ways to better fix the magnets and will place more magnets on the internal wheel, (it must work or did I miss something)
Remark,
it is all in the way you place the magnets, if you move another magnet trough this field it is first attracted, and than suddenly pushed forward in the same direction.
Does anyone have the same experience? I?m sure if someone can build this devise on an existing dynamo engine, output will go up, and if this power can be reused in this engine, it should start consuming less energy, If this really works, and I'm sure it will, you can put it on all devices, also simple bike etc. Let?s dream here, you could create  overunity everywhere.
ps, feel free to used it (if it works for you)

I am adding another 200 US$ now to the Prize money.
So all in all with the other 2 users wanting to add their money it is now at 3000 US$.

Please post in this thread only OverUnity Prize related items:
What could be done to raise more money or applying for the Prize, etc...

If you want to post some technical stuff, please post it into different threads.

Many thanks and looking forward to the first inventor who goes for the challenge.

Regards, Stefan.

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Okay, now we have 7390 members over here.

If everyone is willing to donate 1 US$ per month for this project,
we would get every month maybe 5000 to 7000 US$ ( if not everybody donates)

This money could be donated via some kind of
poll decision to the most promised projects
and the experimentators, which will get the money
must publish all their results from their work with the money.

The question is, how many members would be willing
to pay each month this 1 US$ fee ?

Otherwise I could setup a membership site , so
only the people which pay money could read the newest test
results and the experimentators who publish their
test results into the member only area, would get
money for their published work from the membership fees.
This would be then simular to a subscription to
a newsmagazine, where the newsmagazine boss
pays the article writers a compensation money for their
article writing work.

The problem I see here, that many members over here
are poor students or poor inventors , that can not afford to pay a monthly
subscription fee and that they want to try to hack the site
to have a free reading of the membership contens
or they just download the membership contens and publish
it elsewhere for free...

So what do you think would really work to support
the inventors the best way and give them some money
for their research ?

Regards, Stefan.

Just put a donation link up and let it run its cource.
Or like most everything else we can just talk about dong it over and over  for the next 6 months. Just do it  , just build it.

Another solution could be, which I am already working on here,
is , that I am doing a much bigger site with lots of portal sites and news pages
about the topic "alternative energy" and "energy usage" in common
and have these more common Internet portal pages with lots of advertisement
and get lots more traditional Internet traffic to them , so the advertisement income will be multiplied and
then I could donate to several projects also some money and not just
increase the OverUnity Prize money....?!

But I have to decide now, if I do this Internet setup work or should
I rather work to do myself some new experiments, which I also want to do...
so it is a hard decision what to do... Make more money to support the community
or rather do myself more experiments to maybe earn the OverUnity Prize myself ???;)
The day has only got 24 hours so far....  :o

Perhaps you can use excess monthly funds to assist longtime members and serious proven builders to
aquire expensive components for new projects. Just order the parts for them and drop ship the parts
to them. That way its not "free money" getting handed out and only people you know will build it will
get parts. That will further encourage the members/content providers to remain loyal to this site.

Just an idea,
~Dingus Mungus

P.S. The other option is to let it pile up and when we do find "the answer", by then you
should have the money to fund at least 20 simultaneous replications all over the world!
Just imagine 20 identical functioning: TPU's, or Newman motors, or whatever...
All sponsored and built by overunity.com, the site would really get busy then!

Quote from: Dingus Mungus on June 28, 2007, 08:54:29 PM
Perhaps you can use excess monthly funds to assist longtime members and serious proven builders to
aquire expensive components for new projects. Just order the parts for them and drop ship the parts
to them. That way its not "free money" getting handed out and only people you know will build it will
get parts. That will further encourage the members/content providers to remain loyal to this site.

Just an idea,
~Dingus Mungus 
P.S. The other option is to let it pile up and when we do find "the answer", by then you
should have the money to fund at least 20 simultaneous replications all over the world!
Just imagine 20 identical functioning: TPU's, or Newman motors, or whatever...
All sponsored and built by overunity.com, the site would really get busy then!

Excellent idea, For 15 years i hung-out with a scientist with more brains than resources. He told me about a water injection system that can make an engine put out some power. I was not told exactly how to build it, he was stubborn!
I've gained an easy 10% more power with no fancy metering, or added negative ions.

I have Newman's plans read it over and over and between the lines there's other things going on in the motor than just oscillating batteries and transmutation. I'm dead serious on building it. I have the time. But I need more resources.

mark

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I'm a 2-week lurker... this is my 1st post. So to begin: my kudos to Stefan and the entire O/U community; this is a terrific forum and the prize is definitely a nice & fun little touch.

Earlier in this thread some of you were discussing the implications of this prize as a safeguard to open-source and a deterrent to patenting. I got thinking that whoever does claim the prize will owe much of their success to the community, as we work and contribute together to achieve this common goal.

Perhaps it would benefit this community to consider paying for patents on the winning design, but with a condition that the owner/claimant of the design be this forum, or a cooperative, or some similar variant that would protect said design from being commandeered by an energy corp. In this way, you would effectively be using the free enterprise/capitalist system against itself.

It's just a thought. I'm neither a lawyer nor a seasoned inventor... but like most of us, I am a creative thinker and I try to learn from the trials and tribulations of others. 

What brought me here: A few years ago, a friend of mine designed a fix for a piece of specialty farm equipment and began producing these things at near-to-cost out of his shop for local farmers. An Ag-corp heard about it and called my friend asking to view his design, to which he readily agreed. The Ag-Corp rushed down to the patent office and...well, I'm sure you can finish this story on your own. :P

My intention is not to implore or cajole you, Stefan, or anyone else in any way; I hope to initiate discussion and elicit feedback if there's interest.

Cheers! Mark.

This system is a bit easier than that...
Once you post an idea to Overunity, it is essentially open sourced since its freely shared and logged.
Anything found to "work" will have a GNU license applied for, and no one really owns anything.
If some one does patent an idea thats pre-published on this site, then we'll file a civil law suit.

Plus we'll replicate anything. I don't care if ther US millitary owns the patent we'll still build it.
So any corporate hacks reading this can do as they please, it won't stop us.

No one can stop us all, and we'll give it all away for free!
~Dingus Mungus

Quote from: Dingus Mungus on June 29, 2007, 07:04:28 PM
No one can stop us all, and we'll give it all away for free!
~Dingus Mungus

Amen Brother!
Amen!!!

Quote from: Dingus Mungus on June 29, 2007, 07:04:28 PM
This system is a bit easier than that...
Once you post an idea to Overunity, it is essentially open sourced since its freely shared and logged.
Anything found to "work" will have a GNU license applied for, and no one really owns anything.
If some one does patent an idea thats pre-published on this site, then we'll file a civil law suit.

Plus we'll replicate anything. I don't care if ther US millitary owns the patent we'll still build it.
So any corporate hacks reading this can do as they please, it won't stop us.

No one can stop us all, and we'll give it all away for free!
~Dingus Mungus

DITTO! ;D

I guess we should do it this way:
The OverUnity Prize applier posts a new thread in this forum at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/board,77.0.html
were he will publish
all his infos about his device and then he will send me the 3 units
and I will send one to Sterlin D. Allan from freeenergynews.com
and one to Rich Weber from (gn0sis.com forum).

Also if you wish you could just send me one unit only and arrange with the other 2 guys to ship
it directly to them from your place for review.

First publishing it and thus releasing it to be public domain and open source it,
makes sure, nobody else can claim it as his own inventionand nobody can patent it.
So you are safe with this procedure, that everyboy knows, you are the inventor.

Then when I have tested the one unit for about long enough,
maybe I could already see it after a few days ( not 3 months as the test period announced),
and the other 2 units will also be positively tested,
then you will be announced as the winner of the OverUnity Prize via
a reply to your thread in my forum and the money will be transfered to your bank account and
we will make a worldwide presentation via the Internet.

Hope you all agree to this schedule ?

Many thanks,

Regards, Stefan.

::THUMBS UP::

Sounds perfect Stefan. Altho three identical prototypes may proove to be tougher (financially) for some than others, but all in all the plan sounds great!

So hurry up all you mad scientists your prize awaits!
~Dingus Mungus

sorry but that will never work, peoples will not do 3 devices at their own cost for 3k, peoples will do it for 30k, you get so much trouble for 3k

i think the best way is the peoples of the forum try to reproduce it and when let say 3-5 peoples are able to reproduce it (peoples that want to do it and peoples we trust)

even 10k is small for getting all this trouble unless the device cost nothing to produce

its my opinion.

Quote from: TheOne on June 30, 2007, 01:30:25 AM
i think the best way is the peoples of the forum try to reproduce it and when let say 3-5 peoples are able to reproduce it (peoples that want to do it and peoples we trust)

Great point the one... That does make a lot more sence. Its not like everyone here won't be trying to replicate it anyway. It could almost be set up so that the prize is won when a pannel of judges are able to replicate the effects not test them. That way the judges will have a more intimate understanding of the device and can confirm from scratch that no required parts are missing from the plans.

Think about it... Someone sends you 3 machines with exotic components, unless you build a replica with accessable parts you won't know if it can be replicated from the explanation. Great examples of what I'm talking about: Stan Meyers and Telsa. All the plans are there, but there is still something missing... Better example: if J Hutchison sent me a working Q-Cell I would still have to replicate it to know if his explanation was complete and error free.

A device must go Stefan to test first for sure though. That way he can rally the troops when he recieves and tests something that is worth all our combined efforts. Massive world wide replication!

I love this place!
~Dingus Mungus

The winner has ?300 more from myself.
Even I can consider a valid result an empirical evidence that could be a start point for future researching.
Cheer up!!

Many thanks to user orionjf,
so the prize money total is now at
3300 US$.

Regards, Stefan.

Where do we donate?

Quote from: maxc on June 28, 2007, 11:18:24 PM
Excellent idea, For 15 years i hung-out with a scientist with more brains than resources. He told me about a water injection system that can make an engine put out some power.

I have just recently read that this technique is used in jet engines to increase thrust by 30%. All they were doing in a thrust engine was pumping the water in to a after burner exansion tube and the resulting steam affects carnot values and pounds of thrust inversely resulting in a larger range of throtle in the engine. I don't know how to apply this to a IC 4stroke engine, but I thought you'd appriciate the input.

Sorry to go off topic,
~Dingus Mungus

Is there a GPL for inventions?

I skimmed over the GPL but wasn't very clear on anything outside of Software?

Can anyone clear this up?

Quote from: hartiberlin on March 28, 2007, 07:02:02 PM
Hi All,
many of you were annoyed, when I put advertisement onto my OverUnity.com
forum.
But this action was done to raise some money to keep this forum going and now
I will give back some of the money the advertisement generates to you ALL
and especially to the inventor who brings the breakthrough alternative
easy to build free energy device !
So all members will profit, cause everybody will then know, how to easily
build a real working free energy device.

I will donate now 1000 Euros to the first inventor which will give us a free energy
device and put it into the public domain  and publishes it all freely via open source e.g.
via GPL ( General Public License).

I have pondered the last days, how it could be best done.
I have come to the conclusion, that I will start with the prize money
at 1000 Euros, about 1300 US$ in this moment.

Each month the prize money will be raised by an amount which I will announce here at each month,
coming from the advertisement revenue this site generates and which is
from you all checking out our Google Adsende sponsors.

Also if you wish, you can donate also into the pot of money, so the prize money will
be raised, so it will be getting higher and higher.

If you wish to donate also into the pot of prize money , you could just post over here in the thread
that you wish to donate an amount of money or you could deposit it to me via PayPal
and I will transfer it to a bank account or leave it on a PayPal account for this purpose.

This can still be discussed, how the money will be held best, so it is in a safe place.

I am holding now back 1000 Euros on my private bank account for this purpose.

I just want to get as soon as possible a device into the public domain, so
everybody can rebuild this device.

Here are the conditions, that will apply to win the prize money:

1. You need to build 3 working units, all must work in overunity mode,so to make sure,
it is a replicatable device.

2. Each of the 3 devices must at least put out 50 Watts of contineous electrical AC or
DC power. If your device is more a mechanical or chemical ( e.g. electrolyis or cold fusion
devics) device, you must build also into it the converter to get electrical power out of it,
so it is producing at least contineous 50 Watts of free power without using any fuel
other than water or air.

3. Batteries can be used in it, but must be declared and must not be hidden and
battery lifetime and recharge time must be specified.( If batteries are used as a buffer
the testing time must be prolonged to test, if not just the batteries are delivering all
the output energy).Battery life should be at least 3 years and to change the batteries
should not cost more than 50 Euros ( each 3 years or better after a longer time period)

4. The 3 devices must be shipped to 3 different favourite Website owners in the free
energy news and discussion movement.
One device must be shipped to me at OverUnity.com ( Dip. Ing. Stefan Hartmann)
and the 2 other devices can be shipped for instance to Mr. Jean Louis Naudin
(jlnlabs.org) and Mr. Sterling D.Allan ( freeenergynews.com)
or simular entities, which are able to test and measure these devices and publish
in details the reports about these devices.

5. Patented devices do not apply, cause we want a solution that has no rights yet on it and
which would be free to build by anyone. Commercial replications must pay at least
10 to 20 % license fees to charity organisations
or simular organisations, that "feed the world" and help the poor.
This should be watched by the community to verify that commercial builder companies
really pay these licenses to charity organisations.

6. The inventor will get the prize money from me, if all 3 devices work at the website owners
and will still work after 3 months of time.
3 Months should be long enough to study and verify the 3 units and also do extensive
tests and measurements with them and first replications would be then already available
from the community.
The verification tests will be published widely all over the internet to spread quickly together
with the blueprints PDF File building instructions.

7. The device should not cost more than 500 US$ in part- and material-
prices to build and the inventor must also supply a DOC or PDF file with pictures
and building instructions and an explanation how he thinks that it works.

8. The inventor of the devices must build 3 devices from his own money and
loan these 3 devices to the 3 website owners for the 3 months test periods and
after this he can choose, if he wants to get the 3 devices back or would
like to sell these 3 devices to the test website owners to keep for themself.
The inventor needs to ship the 3 devices on his own costs to the 3 website owners.
If he can supply convincing videos in advance of the functioning of his 3 devices,
shipping charges can be paid by me, if he is low on money.

Please post your comments over here and also how we could best handle the "money
into the pot" transfer , if you also can afford to donate some money for the OverUnity Prize.

P.S: As I currently don?t have much time to fiddle around with graphics software,
I also need an artist, who is quick with animation graphics.
I need a Flash or animated GIF picture with a nice "logo" of a pot of Gold
or simular animated picture which we could use freely for this prize
and which displays the animated text "OverUnity Free Energy Prize".
Maybe a pot of gold on which sits the free energy device
which blinks and lights the text and this text in a half circle over it and
lighting up...
If you can donate such a nice animated picture you can put your name into the logo somewhere so you will be credited.

Please email me privately if you can donate such an animation logo graphics.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan Hartmann. ( admin of OverUnity.com )

Here you can get
25 Million US$ !


http://www.virginearth.com/

Hi,
   "The Virgin Earth Challenge is a prize of $25m for whoever can demonstrate to the judges' satisfaction a commercially viable design which results in the removal of anthropogenic, atmospheric greenhouse gases so as to contribute materially to the stability of Earth?s climate."


They offer a prize for someone to make a chemical scrubber to take out of the air the junk the machines (..Richard's airfleet?) put into it. THEY WANT TO KEEP BURNING THOSE CARBON FUELS

No seed money is offered. Don't bother thinking about this unless you have the $5-10million it takes to develop anything to commercial release. THEN you have to have spent your own $$ and take all the risks of failure (e.g. Steorn)


*** Actually, I think they are right!

Given that the thermal inertia of Earth is c. 800 years, if things are so bad that you can look out of a window - and see the weather is different - then TIPPING IS HAPPENING i.e. a point of "no return" is here. Why? Because the rate of change in a system with a sloooow 800 yr reaction time - is so long, you should not be able to notice deltas in a human lifetime.

Thus - what is needed is a way to remove the gas problem, as well as stop more fuel being burnt.


:( of course, no one will care till changes in rainfall patterns causes mass harvest failure.

Then - the marvel of capitalism means the rich nations (..us) will buy a way out of their problem (cough) so they will "export starvation". Symptom: food prices go up + reports of millions who die elsewhere. Could this happen anytime soon?


:( even then, who will care? This is how the Irish potato famine started - by leaving a strategic problem to market forces - which then used $$ (actually, ??) to abuse the poor.

Take a look. Too many parallels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Potato_Famine

We use the same system still -and the system is broken.

That scrubber sounds like it would take a lot of energy and/or resources(filter element wearing out).

Learn to identify non sequiturs from the dying breed, dead-end diversions to make us look silly and keep gasoline and nuclear looking like the only realistic options.

Recycled paper takes a great amount of evil solvent chemicals that cannot be 100% recovered or contained. Alcohol fuel based on corn(cane is more efficient but same issues) requires a lot of fertilizer, pesticides, diesel for running tractors, genmod since it's based on the worst of factory farming. Factory farming attacks the water table. Add to this category of run-around the hydrogen car with tank that must stop at hydrogen stations, and the electric car with a ton of batteries that must stop at recharing or battery exchange stations.

What's needed is a combination of de-centralized farming and energy operations, and over-unity energy, and then let the green earth work on the backlog of pollutants. No way is continuing to cut down forests and increase factory farming, plus gasohol driven scrubber machines, going to do anything but collapse under its own weight of energy consumption and pollution creation, or compare favorably with cutting back on factory farming and doing things right instead, all de-centralized as far as both the farming and the energy .

One thing the linux-style GPL open sourcing does is protect inventors from thuggish harrassment. It also protects from the kind of lawsuits that are based on a claim of prior art, since it is a matter of public record exactly what was published when. There are no secrets to die with an inventor.

Open source is not communistic. Loss-leader is a private enterprise concept. Give away something, then "make money around the edges", since most people cannot make their own energy devices, or maintain them.

A community of respected people grows, so the pump-and-dump scams don't have credibility to burn people. The pump-and-dump hoaxes might be another weapon of the dark age dinosaurs, or have sanction not to be prosecuted as they go after a de facto bounty paid according to fraud. That will not work if people can see that the hoaxes do not open up their technology to review by the respected community, like those three websites to judge this contest.

It was not long ago that linux was at this stage of a hobby and a novelty and an obsession, even a sinkhole of time, money and effort, but some people could make it run the internet servers after a very short time. Over unity is close to that, with cars running on water.

Here's a situation where Bedeni engines could work commercially right now. Haiti. They cook with charcoal, but there is no wood to make charcoal with. Erosion is terrible where all the trees and brush have been taken for charcoal. Suppose every charcoal man quit that, started charging batteries, and they had an exchange program delivering to the house just like they did with charcoal. They cook on electric hotplates. It would be better if they used induction hotplates, but I don't think GE wants to make a 12 volt induction hotplate, do you? Or would cooking with water(HHO) be better? If there is no other way, the implementation does not have to be slickly commercial, it just has to work today.

Hi,

..good sentiment, but as mentioned elsewhere Linux users sit atop a technology tree running for 60 years with min $10 billion poured into it. Hah! - and the rest.

Different for FE people. They got to build their very own kit. You ever tried to build a washing machine - which will go for say 10,000 hours with no maintenance? Sometimes I do not feel people here realise the massive effort it takes to get a product - of any kind - out, up to standard and distributed for sale.

I'm not dissing or putting down; I'm saying that software is all ideas (cheap, light, free!) whereas chunky hardware has laws to meet, practicality to achieve, reliability to show.


GPL software has millions of collaborative hours put into it.

A typical person writing OS code has: college (3 years) +  some relevant industrial experience (say another 3 years min) + 10 years to hit ?guru? status. And stamped out, watered, nurtured and fed by the needs of: IBM, MS, Novel, RH, Google - and 1001 others you never expected. Oracle? Your TV station? The rail company? All those businesses demanding and receiving skills. Now - all ready and trained up :)


Anyhow.

:( Who does all this for FE? Where is the skill-base being built? Where are the 101 knocks, triumphs, losses of real life in real jobs coming from?


As a start we need colleges to teach Alternative Energy 101. Then 1000 employers to recruit, train, get some practical experience going.


Sorry if I am being depressed. The electronics industry has it sown up for now - and they are NOT feeding us with troops. Well - perhaps the alternative energy guys with their windmills will.

We get occasional has-been like me (...seen the tube threads, been wondering if I should leap in and explain how they work etc - like I learnt 40 years ago) who has a chunk of sort of 40% relevant stuff and no-where to go, nothing to loose. But I do what I can, and feel wretched. I expected GW to do for humanity this century, but it looks like it might even be in a few decades.


I really feel like I'm on Easter Island watching the King order the chopping down of the last 20 trees.

To cheering crowds, the smiles of the merchants who got the deal. A holiday, music and good drink for today!


Feeling already that cold wind from the sea, now coming from all sides. Who will make next-years boats / houses / tools / clothes, what will happen to us when they realise its all gone and there isn't any more?

Hollow eyes soon, next year and each year to come. A cold and empty world arrives at Easter Island.


Perhaps I should not be so fast to write an epitaph, yet someone - somewhere - has to record that we sent ourselves extinct by clinging to technology from the 1800s.

Over 100 years out of date. Perhaps there should be a law against that.

Hi All,
I am adding another 200 US$ into the pot Prize from the advertisement of July.

So it is now up to 3500 US$.

Many thanks to all the supporters.

Regards, Stefan.

Hello brave souls!

Here's someone who's just stumbled upon, or is first taking seriously, this free energy movement (is that the right term?).  I hope you are all thinking back to when your brains first broke this promising virgin soil... feeling like those who first harnessed electricity in any way, maybe?  Not like it was that long ago, in the grand scheme of things.  A couple hundred years is but a remainder when you consider how long we've inhabited the Earth.  For the record, this is my reminder to myself as to why I can learn from the well-documented embarrassment of historical nay-sayers while today's will be further evidence that humanity cannot learn from its mistakes.  I believe long after it's fashionable to stop.

Having said all that, I have a quick question and I bet someone here has a quick answer.  I just found those freely available plans for earth batteries on the very last page of the internet.  Does this seriously work?  I feel like it can't or this thread wouldn't exist.  Can someone save me from this experiment with an explanation as to why it doesn't work?  Come to think of it I just might do the experiment anyway... what self-respecting *inventor* puts the burden of proof on someone else?  We would not have electricity or this forum if that were the norm.  Still... thoughts or advice anyone?

*Deleted*

Let me save someone the diplomacy... I found out that it works.  I had no idea.  I should have, being that I had a clock that ran on an orange as a kid.  Sheesh.  That's great and all but it doesn't look like anywhere near the balls you guys are looking for.  Either way, I'm on the hunt now, too.

Quote from: hartiberlin on August 03, 2007, 07:28:53 PM
Hi All,
I am adding another 200 US$ into the pot Prize from the advertisement of July.

So it is now up to 3500 US$.

Many thanks to all the supporters.

Regards, Stefan.

I'll match hartiberlin's prize money if someone does this. Many people here believe this can be done, so feel free to prove it and claim your money.

OH MY GOD I TOTALLY HAVE IT!!!!!!!!!!  I'm going to prove it possible before I make an idiot of myself, but this sounds like it'll not just keep itself going, it'll spin up until it flies away.  Balls enough to spin an AC generator in a large scale... all the parts are on their way to me right now.  I can't believe how simple this looks... probably just a newbie mistake, but I'm really excited over here!!!

I CANNOT STAND WAITING FOR SHIPPING!!! GRRR!!!!

Quote from: dingo on August 20, 2007, 08:56:44 AM
I CANNOT STAND WAITING FOR SHIPPING!!! GRRR!!!!

Don't hurt yourself from excitement ok. :D

OMG so far the theory works!!!  I got my parts and they react like I thought they would... now I'm realizing that a compact disk on a disassembled cd burner is not the best wheel... the search for the perfect wheel now... wow I can't wait to show you guys this!  (Not getting my hopes up too high)

@dingo

You might want to try an old hard drive. The motor turns very smoothly and it's weighted with the platters still on it. I don't know how helpful this would be to your project. Just a suggestion.  ::)

Hello.  :)
I add 1000 ? (more than 1000 $ !)
I just need that the documentation explains the serious calculations, including with an energetic point of view, without "fake", like demagnetization (Magnets stores energy), or radioactivity, and no danger, like corrosive exhausts.
(Cheque in ?, from the French bank "La Banque Postale" ), send by postmail, AFTER verifications.

"Okay, let me formulate the conditions maybe this way:

Run 24 hours / 7  days a week / 365 days per year with an output
of at least 50 Watts electrically
and only have a fuel or maintainance cost per year of less than 100 US$
including "fuel" and reparation."
[Quote of Stefan from earlier post in this thread]

@Stefan

You probably need to look again at this set of rules.  Under these rules, I could submit a standard AC line cord as my invention and win the prize.

50W x 24hrs x 365days = 438 kwh annual output

For $100 in "fuel or maintenance cost", where I live, I can buy electricity for $0.08 per kwh so I can feed in 1250kwh for $100 cost annually.  Any cost of $0.22831 per kwh or less gives 50W  24/7/365 for under $100 fuel cost.

You might want to check your $100 figure on other fuel sources as well; there may be existing fuel cells that could readily do the 438kwh given $100 in hydrogen or other ways. 

Seems to me you could get into legal conflicts unless your rules are defined more clearly.  It seems contradictory to say it must be over unity and then also to say it can use $100 worth of input fuel to produce $30 worth of electricity!

If you can manage to clarify the rules and conditions to absolutely avoid ambiguity, I might be willing to make a considerable pledge to the prize fund, assuming you don't ban me first for poking light fun at some of the more obviously unworkable proposals we see here sometimes [something I am trying to refrain from doing but occasionally fail in my restraint]!

Humbugger

I am sure you guys know this already, but the Randi Foundation is already offering a one million dollar challenge for anyone to show paranormal activity.  An overunity device would defy the laws of physics as we know them, and as such would probably qualify under the challenge.

May I suggest that if the goal is to show the world that OU is possible, you change the rules to reduce the required energy output and the size / cost of prototypes. The device should be able to relace any currently used home appliance, like a simple Night Light, et. It should do the same work of said common appliance, without normal external power ( Except to jump start  it, if needed). It should continue to work for weeks or months and only fail due to hardware defects of being a low cost homemade product.

I have in mind a product that I think I can build, based of someone elses work, (that has not proven long tern self running OU yet).

This product coulp be made by anyone and could replace a low power AC powered device (not a night light by the way) used by millons in America.

These devices run 24 hours a day and if a OU repacement was offered (No added anything by user) I think they would break the American Mind Set, that OU is not possible and there would be a flood of SMALL OU appliances made that would force Big Energy to offer low cost OU power in many forms or go out of business.

Could also use the prize money and will split 50/50 it with Father of its concept.

Any yes, if correct this could be scaled up to meet the 25 Watt standard, but would cost hunderds of times more money than this $50.00 - $100.00 prototype.


George King

Quote from: Humbugger on September 01, 2007, 10:12:38 AM
"Okay, let me formulate the conditions maybe this way:

Run 24 hours / 7  days a week / 365 days per year with an output
of at least 50 Watts electrically
and only have a fuel or maintainance cost per year of less than 100 US$
including "fuel" and reparation."
[Quote of Stefan from earlier post in this thread]

@Stefan

You probably need to look again at this set of rules.  Under these rules, I could submit a standard AC line cord as my invention and win the prize.

50W x 24hrs x 365days = 438 kwh annual output

For $100 in "fuel or maintenance cost", where I live, I can buy electricity for $0.08 per kwh so I can feed in 1250kwh for $100 cost annually.  Any cost of $0.22831 per kwh or less gives 50W  24/7/365 for under $100 fuel cost.

You might want to check your $100 figure on other fuel sources as well; there may be existing fuel cells that could readily do the 438kwh given $100 in hydrogen or other ways. 

Seems to me you could get into legal conflicts unless your rules are defined more clearly.  It seems contradictory to say it must be over unity and then also to say it can use $100 worth of input fuel to produce $30 worth of electricity!

If you can manage to clarify the rules and conditions to absolutely avoid ambiguity, I might be willing to make a considerable pledge to the prize fund, assuming you don't ban me first for poking light fun at some of the more obviously unworkable proposals we see here sometimes [something I am trying to refrain from doing but occasionally fail in my restraint]!

Humbugger

Okay, you are right.
This conflicts itsself.

Now let me clarify it this way:

"Okay, let me formulate the conditions maybe this way:

Run 24 hours / 7  days a week / 365 days per year with an output
of at least 50 Watts electrically
and only have a fuel or maintainance cost per year of less than
0.005 US$ PER GENERATED KILOWATTHOUR
including "fuel" and reparation."

So if it can  generate 10 000 KWH per year, you would only
pay 50 US$ per year for fuel and maintenance cost.

10 000 KWH per year is more than enough to power a family
home.

Quote from: shruggedatlas on September 01, 2007, 01:04:20 PM
I am sure you guys know this already, but the Randi Foundation is already offering a one million dollar challenge for anyone to show paranormal activity.  An overunity device would defy the laws of physics as we know them, and as such would probably qualify under the challenge.

Randi does not have the money to pay this at all and the guy is a fake.
He is a typical: "I know it better"-guy.....

Quote from: xpenzif on August 16, 2007, 10:21:08 PM

Quote from: hartiberlin on August 03, 2007, 07:28:53 PM
Hi All,
I am adding another 200 US$ into the pot Prize from the advertisement of July.

So it is now up to 3500 US$.

Many thanks to all the supporters.

Regards, Stefan.

I'll match hartiberlin's prize money if someone does this. Many people here believe this can be done, so feel free to prove it and claim your money.

How many money will you pay the prize winner exactly ?

You can still hold the money yourself until the winner is announced.
Please post an exact sum you wish to donate to the winner.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: RedGuff on August 28, 2007, 06:23:07 PM
Hello.  :)
I add 1000 ? (more than 1000 $ !)
I just need that the documentation explains the serious calculations, including with an energetic point of view, without "fake", like demagnetization (Magnets stores energy), or radioactivity, and no danger, like corrosive exhausts.
(Cheque in ?, from the French bank "La Banque Postale" ), send by postmail, AFTER verifications.

Hi RedGuff,
many thanks for this offer !

I just looked up the exchange rate from Euro to US$ at:
http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi
and it is currently
1,000.00 EUR=1,362.99 USD

Okay, let?s say with the ongoing exchangerate going
up and down a bit, let us just say 1350 US$.

Okay, I add also another 150 US$ for the month of August
from the advertise income. (summer month was more bad for
ads..)

Now the prize money is then:

3500 US$  + 1350 US$ + 150 US$ = 5000 US$.

Anybody else want to join donating money for the prize winner ?

Many thanks again for all donations to the prize.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: As always, you must hold yourself the money until
the prize is announced. Then you wire the money directly
to the prize winner . I am not collecting the money.

Quote from: kinggeorge on September 02, 2007, 06:44:11 PM


May I suggest that if the goal is to show the world that OU is possible, you change the rules to reduce the required energy output and the size / cost of prototypes. The device should be able to relace any currently used home appliance, like a simple Night Light, et. It should do the same work of said common appliance, without normal external power ( Except to jump start  it, if needed). It should continue to work for weeks or months and only fail due to hardware defects of being a low cost homemade product.

I have in mind a product that I think I can build, based of someone elses work, (that has not proven long tern self running OU yet).

This product coulp be made by anyone and could replace a low power AC powered device (not a night light by the way) used by millons in America.

These devices run 24 hours a day and if a OU repacement was offered (No added anything by user) I think they would break the American Mind Set, that OU is not possible and there would be a flood of SMALL OU appliances made that would force Big Energy to offer low cost OU power in many forms or go out of business.

Could also use the prize money and will split 50/50 it with Father of its concept.

Any yes, if correct this could be scaled up to meet the 25 Watt standard, but would cost hunderds of times more money than this $50.00 - $100.00 prototype.


George King

Hi George,
what do you suggest to be the minimum Wattage level this thing should put out ?
1 Watt or 10 Watts ?

What should be the maximum prototype cost per unit ?
As we are looking for a unit which every hobbyist could build for himself and
his friends, the material cost should maybe just only be less than 300 US$
for a unit that puts out at least 10 Watts or do you think this is still too high ?

I agree, that it is much easier to build a lower output power prototype,
so what treshold level would you all suggest and at what material
cost ?
Surely it does not make much sense, if a unit only puts out half a Watt and costs
5000 US$ to build just for materials....
So George, do you already have a running prototype which puts out how much power ?

Regards, Stefan.

Stefan
I would not tie it to any fixed Wattage, or that unit has to produce Electric power. I would tie it to it doing the work of a powered home appliance. As a example a small Electric Fan.  The losses in domain changes are high, so lets say you have a Real Magnetic only Powered Motor, let it stay mechanical and run a FAN et, equal to something you would buy.   In my case it is not a FAN but does stay in mechanical domain and replaces AC powered units that draw about a 1/2 to 4 watts of power and run 24 hours a day.

I have a theory, different from the Father of this concept, which by the way is on your site.  If It does self run I think it will prove a mechanical form of "Break-Out Energy" (See my post on OU theory forum).

Again what I feel is important is changing the Mind Set of the average person to accept and even demand OU products for the Good of the Planet.

A good hint these are life support so everyone that has one, would love not to worry about AC power outage. That's why I think that they would sell like Hot cakes, not to save money, but to just run all by them self's, till parts wear  out.

As to my view on Alternate Energy for real deployment, it is a simple one. Do not try to replace the power Grid for now, full Solar is out of cost range for most, but a Solar Hot water heater is not. If you could just run your Air Conditioner on Solar during the Day light and store energy as a cold house et.  If someone could offer a Room AC with build in ZPE power source, every one would buy one. No wiring, no safety issues it just runs, same for FAN or water pump et. Soon we would have very little on the Grid.

George King georgeking@cosmicsalamander.com

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 02, 2007, 08:44:08 PM
Randi does not have the money to pay this at all and the guy is a fake.
He is a typical: "I know it better"-guy.....

I disagree.  From what I have read on independent sources, the million dollars is held in negotiable bonds at Goldman Sachs.  The money is there.  And if he is a fake, just prove him wrong and take his million.  If he does not pay up, you can sue him and win easily. 

Furthermore, I have read the application - it is very straightforward.  The applicant gets to design the test and to determine what would constitute success and what would constitute failure.  If you read his boards, his people will of course evaluate the proposed test and request modifications if the test of success versus failure is too vague, but for the most part, the applicant gets to control his own test.  True, no one has ever passed the preliminary tests, but someone here can always be the first.

The most common criticism I have heard of James Randi is that his challenge is self promotion.  Well, of course it is.  However, so is "Who Wants to be a Millionaire."  That does not mean that the game is rigged or fake.  And the best part is, you can just take his money and shut him up, if you have the goods.

Quote from: shruggedatlas on September 03, 2007, 12:15:21 AM

The most common criticism I have heard of James Randi is that his challenge is self promotion.
Well, of course it is. 

You are absolutely right.

But what is the catch ?
If you want to get the 1 Million dollars, what contract do you have to sign then ???
They probably get all the rights onto your invention and might lock it up in a safe...

Quote from: kinggeorge on September 02, 2007, 10:42:16 PM

In my case it is not a FAN but does stay in mechanical domain and replaces AC powered units that draw about a 1/2 to 4 watts of power and run 24 hours a day.

Hi George,
can you please be more specific or is this still a secret ?
Surely a pure mechanically overunity device like
a pure magnet motor running a fan would also be
a candidate for the overunity prize,
but how should we then define exactly the amount of power
it should produce ?

Just a wheel that overcomes its own friction but is
not able to spin any load like a fan rotor would
also not be very helpful.

It must not be electrical output.
It can also be just mechanical rotor energy,
but then it would need at least some amout of torque
on its axis to power a mechanical load like a fan rotor
or water pump or a drill or a bicycle motor
or something simular...
So how much mechanical power are we talking about here
and what should be the threshold level ?
At least if it could get scaled up later, we could
couple it with an alternator and generate electric energy with it...

Regards, Stefan.

Again I would say that any device that (self runs once started) and does the work of a normal product that anyone could buy around town. If a FAN it should move x cubic feet per minute of air like store bought one.

As for my efforts, I want to first prove OU feedback and its useful work is a by produck of my feedback approch.  Just for fun I have told you what applance it replaces. If you compare energy and useage statements. Please if you figure it out write me direct, as I would like to be the first for this application.

Hey I have a design for a overunity device, I have been working on it for about three years and now all i want from it if it where to work is some money so i dont have to work,lol, and recognition for the one making it and so far i have showed it looks very very plausibe and yet so simple, I am only 17 and no job and high school, so that's why i havent been able to build but how would I be able to protect it if i did put it on here for the world to see so that somebody doesnt steal it.

P.S I really really want to put it on here NOW but i'm afraid all that hard work could go to waste by having someone with money patent it and then take credit for it. any help would be really great

@Nemesiswes and @kinggeorge and All,
the design must be posted prior to shipping the 3 prototype units to this category:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/board,77.0.html
as a new thread with best a ZIP file containing all the building instructions
and a parts list.
So everyone will know, that you are the inventor and this way it is already all
put out into the open source public domain, so nobody else can steal it or
patent it.
Then you need to ship the 3 prototype units and other people can already build
them for themself and also will report , how their independant replications will
work all over the world.

After we have tested the 3 prototypes and a positive test is the result
you will be anounced as the winner of the prize
and we will spread this all over the world with "spamming"
the news services and news releases, etc....

We will then ask all hobbyist who are participating in this forum
to build their own devices from it then ask them to donate
some money to the inventor, so he can still collect more money.
As the inventor will thus get very famous very soon he will
be featured all over the world in all TV stations and
advertisement contracts etc... can follow up.,
so he can make a lot of money without needing any patent
or any license models...

Also we can ask, that every person, who saves money
through this invention should donate at least one
month of his utility bill to the inventor, if the invention enables
him to get of the grid or saves him money on a monthly basis...

Thus money for the inventor will flow for many years to come,
all without any patents...
Much easier...!

So, who is the first one, who will publish his real overunity design ?
Good luck !
Best regards, Stefan.

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 03, 2007, 12:29:34 AM

Quote from: shruggedatlas on September 03, 2007, 12:15:21 AM

The most common criticism I have heard of James Randi is that his challenge is self promotion.
Well, of course it is. 

You are absolutely right.

But what is the catch ?
If you want to get the 1 Million dollars, what contract do you have to sign then ???
They probably get all the rights onto your invention and might lock it up in a safe...

The catch is you have to demonstrate something in violation to the known laws of physics, which is very very very (did I say "very'?) hard to do, which is why no one has been able to do it.  There is nothing in the application that says JREF gets any rights to anything you do.  Bear in mind that the challenge is really aimed at the practitioners of the paranormal, such as psychics, telekinesists, et al., and so the concept of claiming rights to something like that is just inapplicable, and I doubt the thought has even crossed anyone's mind.  I am just proposing that the challenge will probably be accepted against a perpetual motion machine, because if valid, it would certainly defy the known laws of physics.  (You would make the claim "I can extract energy from thin air with the use of this device, which does not use any additional fuel, can run 24/7 endlessly, and so forth and so on. . . ")

Harti, I hold the highest opinion of you, since you have put in all the hard work to keep these boards running, but I think you have been reading too many of the conspiracy theory, "CIA and Big Oil are out to get me" posts.

Maybe we should define some categories
for different devices,
like:
1. pure mechanical devices like pure permanent magnet motors which put out pure mechanical power
2. solid state electronic devices which put out pure electric power output only
3.mixed mechanical and electronic devices like battery charging overunity pulse motors,
which put out mechanical power and electrical power...

So maybe we can then define a threshold level of output power and production
costs that these devices should fullfill to be able to get the OverUnity prize money ?

What would you suggest ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

@Stefan

At one time I recall you said the rules for winning the prize would be set forth in a pdf document.  It seems the prize has kept climbing and that is good, but every other post seems to involve a new suggestion or consideration for the rules.

I am interested in contributing to the prize fund but only if the rules are well defined and finalized and published in one document and openly made available to all participants and contributors.  Right now it doesn't seem like that is the case and we have a moving target with bits and pieces spread over this thread and further discussion of changes every day. 

Do you still have a plan to solidify the rules and publish them in a pdf? 

Maybe it is too soon yet and the issues need more discussion?  Seems still very fluid in definition...a dangerous situation for any of us offering to contribute prize money or considering it!   I have already pointed out one big loophole which you have agreed with and corrected.  It's not easy to come up with a fair set of rules, I know.  Especially one that pleases everyone yet is still tough enough to avoid giving the prize away for nothing really useful.

I would hate to promise a nice contribution and then have to withdraw it if the rules were changed later or to lose my money because of a legal challenge due to badly-defined rules!   What do you think? 

Humbugger

well if i have no money and i post it( Everything, design, workins ect.) , then say someone does build one and it works before i am even able to build it, so if someone on the boards did build it and said it worked and you still havent been sent one yet then what, i still have to build it , cause I have very limited resources, sorry. but if someone did or maybe a couple built it and proved it worked then would i get the prize or would me and the others who would have proved it split the prize and the fame or whatever else or just the prize money.

Humbugger,
you are absolutely right.
I have to fix the rules in a PDF document, so everybody knows the rules
and can accept them or not.
So everybody can make up his mind if he will donate some money
or on the other side, if an inventor will apply for it or will
market his invention elsewhere...

Please give me 1 or 2 days time.
I had to do too much programming work during the last days, so
I did not have time to rethink it all in every detail.

Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: Nemesiswes on September 03, 2007, 02:22:22 AM
well if i have no money and i post it( Everything, design, workins ect.) , then say someone does build one and it works before i am even able to build it, so if someone on the boards did build it and said it worked and you still havent been sent one yet then what, i still have to build it , cause I have very limited resources, sorry. but if someone did or maybe a couple built it and proved it worked then would i get the prize or would me and the others who would have proved it split the prize and the fame or whatever else or just the prize money.

Nemesiswes,
very good point !
But without at least one prototype you will never know, if it really works...
I guess you as the inventor should get the fame for having had the idea.

So maybe we can change the rules a bit, that if only one prototype is available,
you will first publish your idea fully, then ship the one prototype to me
and the first 2 builders, who will replicate the unit and will post
full video documentation and will also ship the units to the 2 other
parties ( gn0sis.com and freeenergynews.com)
will get each a share of 1/5 the prize money,
so you as the inventor will get a 3/5 share and each of the first 2
builders will get a 1/5 share of the prize money.
How about this ?
So please only apply and publish it , until you have a first
prototype fully working and are able to publish and ship it.

Regards, Stefan.

Alright well thanks for the info, guess i better start saving. lol

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 03, 2007, 02:41:57 AM
Humbugger,
you are absolutely right.
I have to fix the rules in a PDF document, so everybody knows the rules
and can accept them or not.
So everybody can make up his mind if he will donate some money
or on the other side, if an inventor will apply for it or will
market his invention elsewhere...

Please give me 1 or 2 days time.
I had to do too much programming work during the last days, so
I did not have time to rethink it all in every detail.

Regards, Stefan.

Please, Stefan,

Take as much time as you need, of course!  Do not think I am trying to pressure you in any way.  Any contribution of funds I make will be there today or next year...I just want to make sure it never has to be withdrawn or given out undeservedly because we didn't lock in a solid set of rules.  There is no big rush here!

It is not an easy task what you are trying to accomplish and manage.  Maybe sometimes it seems like some of us (especially snotty skeptics like me) don't appreciate your hard work and sometimes impossible tasks, but I do.

Personally, I could never pull it off, myself, what you do here.  To be so encouraging and so diplomatic regarding every proposed idea...whew!   To balance the open promotion of any and all ideas with a hard scientific approach would seem to me to be completely frustrating if not totally impossible.  But you seem to do it most of the time. 

Humbugger

Hello.

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 03, 2007, 02:13:49 AM
What would you suggest ?

1) Brownian motion : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_motion
2) Casimir effect : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
3) Evaporation of water under low pressure, in dry air.

Quote from: RedGuff on September 04, 2007, 06:14:37 PM
Hello.

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 03, 2007, 02:13:49 AM
What would you suggest ?

1) Brownian motion : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_motion
2) Casimir effect : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
3) Evaporation of water under low pressure, in dry air.

To all this is another reason I feel that the replacement of a powered common household appliance is the best test. These devices could be agreed in advance. The device should now require external power and well known devices like Solar Hot Water heater, Wind and Water Mills be excluded. New OU device should be safe to be around home or outside it. I think that, if it uses uses air, ambient heat, ZPE, Break-OUT Energy, Lead Out Energy, Gravity, in a novel form this is ok. It should be able to run continuously without added input energy after startup (excluding H20).  I say that it must self maintain its self, because any common Heat Pump has a COP over unity.

Examples Desk Fan, say 10 Watt AC at X CFP output. Night Light, output say one candlepower or 12.57 lumens. Toaster, Room Heater, small Refrigerator , room AC,  et. Of course the smaller the work output the closer the device needs to be measured for true OU.  Even brand name products could be picked out to compare Usefulness of device.

Device should not be too constrained  to be close to same size of appliance it replaces, but say portable, if not refrigerator  or AC unit.
 
For my own project I have in mind a simple life support product, that runs 24 hours a day.   A 10 gallon  aquarium air pump, I hope to show that devices releases "Break-Out Gravitational like energy, that once started can be put to work and also self sustain device's expected power losses.

George King
georgeking@cosmicsalamander.com

I am confused by the title of this thread.  It started March 28,2007 with only 1,000 euros and did not reach $5,000 (in unsecured pledges) until September 3, 2007.  Where is the $5,000 that is referenced in the subject - and what are the requirements to win it?

Having spent at least 40 years researching, conceiving ideas, buying materials that have gone largely unused because I usually spot the flaw in my concepts before the orders arrive and suffering the (not wholly undue) skepticisms of family and friends, I too believe that the prize offered is too small to justify the requirement of placing the work into public domain.

I am thinking about it though because there is another likely reward that has not been brought up in this thread.  It seems to me that the (hopefully properly attributed) person, or team, that makes the breakthrough should be pretty much guaranteed a Nobel Peace prize that is nearly  $1,000,000 these days.

Hoping to be in the hunt when my new materials arrive - should know in about three weeks.

Shade

Quote from: Leonardos Shade on September 18, 2007, 08:00:02 AM
I am confused by the title of this thread.  It started March 28,2007 with only 1,000 euros and did not reach $5,000 (in unsecured pledges) until September 3, 2007.  Where is the $5,000 that is referenced in the subject - and what are the requirements to win it?

Having spent at least 40 years researching, conceiving ideas, buying materials that have gone largely unused because I usually spot the flaw in my concepts before the orders arrive and suffering the (not wholly undue) skepticisms of family and friends, I too believe that the prize offered is too small to justify the requirement of placing the work into public domain.

I am thinking about it though because there is another likely reward that has not been brought up in this thread.  It seems to me that the (hopefully properly attributed) person, or team, that makes the breakthrough should be pretty much guaranteed a Nobel Peace prize that is nearly  $1,000,000 these days.

Hoping to be in the hunt when my new materials arrive - should know in about three weeks.

Shade

    You have raised some good points there. I'.m still waiting for a set protocol, seems to change every couple of days. One thing to keep in mind though, if you are in a country like the U.S. , be very careful what you do with anything. There IS such  a thing as the Invention Secrecy Act (1951), a black hole that has swallowed up at least one invention  that I know of.

 I have been watching and waiting for overunity to appear for years.
That said, allow me to play devil's advocate.
Imagine a world in which anyone in the most severely depressed countries can have unlimited energy from a cheaply made device. Irrigating the desert and purifying water can be done easily. This would allow a population explosion unparalleled in history. Consider the implications of this.
Population control would prevent this, but who does that?

Quote from: sharpstick on September 23, 2007, 09:00:27 AM
I have been watching and waiting for overunity to appear for years.
That said, allow me to play devil's advocate.
Imagine a world in which anyone in the most severely depressed countries can have unlimited energy from a cheaply made device. Irrigating the desert and purifying water can be done easily. This would allow a population explosion unparalleled in history. Consider the implications of this.
Population control would prevent this, but who does that?

I think Japan does this already I dont know for sure.  They have a limited space for their population so it would make sense to enforce something like that.  Over population is a problem yes, but problems stemming from oil, are far worse.  Global warming is real, and climate change is real, not to mention what haarp is doing.  We can only do a set amount of damage before the earth starts re-balancing.  After that, it wont matter much at all, as earth will depopulate itself.  Free energy isn't being suppressed because of population issues, its flat out greed, and control.

Quote from: nightlife on September 25, 2007, 02:52:29 AM
I have the winning invention. How does this work and how do I get to keep it a secret or not have it taken away and used with out getting the royalty's?
I have two and they will blow your mind. One is a self energizing battery that does not require any out side source to energize its self. The other is a magnetic generator that will need only need the self generating battery to start it. Therefore making it a completely self efficient power source that could be used to power anything.

I have been trying to get funding for a Proto type but I cant seam to get anyone interested. Maybe you all can help me with someone who will.

first completely make your technology open source to be qualified. to the public that is...
then you will get all the help you can get. if you're not going to open source then i suggest you leave this forum and go find suckers somewhere else.



peace

Quote from: nightlife on September 25, 2007, 02:52:29 AM
I have the winning invention. How does this work and how do I get to keep it a secret or not have it taken away and used with out getting the royalty's?
I have two and they will blow your mind. One is a self energizing battery that does not require any out side source to energize its self. The other is a magnetic generator that will need only need the self generating battery to start it. Therefore making it a completely self efficient power source that could be used to power anything.

I have been trying to get funding for a Proto type but I cant seam to get anyone interested. Maybe you all can help me with someone who will.

The instructions are on the 1st page.  Do you have any photos or video of any of these devices?  I believe you have to make 3 working models an send them to 3 people for independent testing.  Anyways I think solving the worlds energy crisis is the biggest reward anyone could ask.

Quote from: nightlife on September 27, 2007, 04:02:56 AM
I Have been serching the internet to try and find something based on this design. I have yet to find one but thats not to say it hasn't been done. It is simple.


As for a magnetic motor, there are several ways to build one. I was personally going to build one using electronic magnets and permanent magnets and positioning sensors, The sensors would be used like a crank shaft position sensor. It would create a pulse that would activate a electronic magnet to attract the upcoming magnet and then another pulse with the electric magnets polarity switched causing it to push the permanent magnet away.
This would allow us to use the full benefit of the permanent magnets magnetic force.

I forgot to add the fact that it would use multiple permanent magnets and electromagnets with the permanent magnets fixed to a wheel that would rotate and the electromagnets would fixed to a fixed outer perimeter that would surround the wheel.
The wheel would have a shaft through the center that would house a electric generating device on each side of it.

This could be tied into a battery setup that when fully charged to a recommended amp, it would shut down the motor and restart it when they fall under a certain amp. This would help preserve the life of the motor.

If anyone is interested in knowing more, email me at browns49015@yahoo.com

please post a drawing or video or an animation of what you say.

- start a new thread if you haven't already about this.

thank you.



peace

WHERE'S MY MONEY?  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

 Do you still need more? I think I have supplied you with all that is needed so I really would like to get paid.

Is there anyone who reply's to this thread?

Quote from: nightlife on September 28, 2007, 06:35:44 PM
Do you still need more? I think I have supplied you with all that is needed so I really would like to get paid.

lol i think you're suppose to make 3 replicas and send to 3 people to verify your work etc. it is somewhere written in the rules....look it up! :)

go here to read rules..... http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2157.0.html


nice idea though :)



peace

Quote from: Leonardos Shade on September 18, 2007, 08:00:02 AM
I am thinking about it though because there is another likely reward that has not been brought up in this thread.  It seems to me that the (hopefully properly attributed) person, or team, that makes the breakthrough should be pretty much guaranteed a Nobel Peace prize that is nearly  $1,000,000 these days.

Hoping to be in the hunt when my new materials arrive - should know in about three weeks.

Shade

Once you've been in this field long enough, you will find that the most successful folks have been, for the most part: Torn down, destroyed, ripped to pieces, murdered, butchered, houses burned down or exploded, outright obvious assassination, etc, etc etc. There is likelyhood that a list of defeated and killed 'over unity' inventors that are 'no longer with us' would come in at about 500 names long, at the least.

So be careful out there.

I think I might have it- not sure, please check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZGMA6Bp5o

Quote from: singerxyz on October 08, 2007, 01:23:02 PM
I think I might have it- not sure, please check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZGMA6Bp5o

Probably not unfortunately , please read this:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3443.msg53565.html#msg53565

Please keep trying to measure on a real ohmic resistor load.
Many thanks.

  hi  Hartberlin
    just joined to see what you are up to,   if my new project is successful it will produce at least 3,000 ltrs of hoh gas in one minuit
    1.8 ltsr of water per min it be kept quire for awhile most know of it on oupower or the ausse site www.climtechsolutions.com
    the OZ Injector as it is called will be put together soon  parts are being manufactured shortly the problem is many of my contacts are all being threatened the latest is razzvi from india so what will happen to me if I am successful I have more than an 80% chance of doing this, its slow because of trying to get money together on a pension is hard, but I am slowly getting there.
  there are plans mainly for first for gas turbines as the gas in the 'mode one' is ignighted.
    'mode two' is to produce HOH gas  what is not used in the case of a large truck, would be filtered this equipment is already on the market, this will give a compressed hydrogen to a tank, the oxygen is fed back into the air intake when you need to increase speed sharply as with the stored hydrogen, the larger units planed will produce over 76,000 lts of gas a min.
  the main unit  will fit in your hand, but the control equipment of cause will not.
        keep an eye out for this I will not post much more on it until it is tested to prove the concept. You can see the first basic design   
on a number of sites just goole aussepom I was told about this site lookes good and some interesting concepts  I look forward to reading more.
aussepom       

i find it hard to compete with the rules, what if one could produce overunity at lower volts.

For Example:

SAY you have a 12 volt battery and you are outputting 1.5 amps at 18watts Powering the Circuit or Device.

And the Device Puts out 9 Volts at 3 amps or 27 watts.

This is Overunity and would not recharge the battery, but you would be gaining 9 watts FREE from somewhere!

So the laws of overunity would show you can get overunity but you cant make it "PERPETUAL MOTION" like you are wanting in the Rules.

What are you wanting, Perpetual motion and OverUnity? i dont understand.

if one has Proof of overunity it would be worthless to the prize money because it is not performing in a perpetual way, only in a overunity way.

asking for 50 watts of FREE power is asking alot, why would you not be happy if you could get just 1 or 2 watts overunity? from my understandings there is no proof of overunity till this day, if so where is it at? any who can confirm it?

just think on that for a while and get back to this post.

Thanks, Hydro

"asking for 50 watts of FREE power is asking alot, why would you not be happy if you could get just 1 or 2 watts overunity? from my understandings there is no proof of overunity till this day, if so where is it at? any who can confirm it?"

Not really its a fair power level that can be used for REAL life situations.  There are many circuits which appear to have a small amount of over unity but still remain coupled to existing supplies or open loop so the little extra in the circuit can never be realized. This has been done before 800 watts of "free" power check out the TPU.

In fact that is what the price fund is aiming for a low cost coil type system perhaps even a small self running motor generator that may or may not have a tiny battery just to get it going then produce  in excess for 50 watts basically for a very long time/forever. The 50 watts demonstrates a sample of power and clearly if you can make 50 you can easily make 5000+ watts when scaled up.  Then almost every household appliance can run free off the grid where these devices could be embedded or scaled up for large power demand and the other 1/2 of the planet which doesn't have so much as reliable power to run a light bulb can access this technology.   However clearly this technology is worth i dunno 20 or 50 MIO  for the inventor that wants a nice pension but as discussed elsewhere you may not ever live long enough to spend it without going open source so the 5k on here is merely a token.

I agree with you bolt. The idea of powering ONE 50 Watt bulb forever doesn't seem too unreasonable of a goal. Especially when you are talking about Overunity as compared to the vastness of the universe.

On my web 'Nikola Tesla and My Thoughts' I have new discovery: 'Electric energy from space!' (see that part, on the end).
http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/index.html (http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/index.html)

Sorry, if it is not overunity. It is new (forget) source of energy. Try it! It is real, simple, and FREE. For all mankind...

Branko

Quote from: Nemesiswes on June 05, 2007, 03:07:22 AM
Well I have a design, been working on it for three years, lol,and it should only cost about $500 or less depending on the set up, but it's output should be well over 1,000% over input depending on set, could be more if more money is spent on it, no working one yet, money problems, i'm only 17, but when i do get it working in probably a couple weeks to months, depending on the money,  i would be more then happy to make it free to the public and send it to you and the two others for validation. The only thing i would want is my name on it,thats all i ask. and thats where the patent thing comes in, if i did or any one else for that matter made a over unity machine, then just any one could take that idea and patent and then it's not your's and make the money. well what does anyone else think about the patent problem. thanks

It's been more than a couple of weeks now...even many months...any news on the 1000:1 overunity device yet?

Linda

well guys its still not big enough for me to want this pize    lol


maybe another year eh


ist

altho  i may have something verry simple that could take this prize with out any worries  but it is all part of the same and i anit goin there just yet

   P-Unity
         The more magnetic concentration the more gravity is my theory.  Magnetic concentration is what we're trying to get away from.  Especially static dense magnetic concentration like that near earth's black hole. Manifestation of energy as we experience it is always observed when magnetic profile is altered.  This profile change has to take place quickly before the Earth's magnetic influence takes over control again. A photon's magnetic profile is small and weak compared to the Sun's yet it gets loose.  I believe that it takes time for a magnetic influence to figure out the new situation and respond accordingly.  A hydrogen atom on the surface of the Sun is good at hiding it's magnetic profile or dipole moment.  The dense magnetic field of the Sun is dealing with a whole bunch of hydrogen gas, planetary pull, cosmic issues, reorganization of the already trapped matter etc.  The photon UNOBSERVED by the magnetic field of the Sun gets into space and is free for a while.  The observation of matter by a magnetic influence controls it's behaviour. Therefore in each organization of matter there seems to exist a desire to escape other magnetic influence detection..  The spinning magnets of a unipolar generator are less capable of influencing the copper conductor it is in intimate contact with because it is CONFUSED by it's motion.  The electrons in a copper conductor take advantage of the magnetic confusion of the neucleus created by the changing magnetic external field influences.  Unforunately a spinning top or disk or ring doesn't take long for the magnetic influences of the earth's black hole to figure out.  The kicks described by SM are propogated quickly and therefore are not controlled by other magnetic influences.  This influence is created quickly and off and running before magnetism has a chance to respond.  Perhaps what we are seeing in this device is the form of magnetic influence electrons take when they want to dodge magnetic fields.  The kick confuses the ambient magnetic field around the TPU long enough for the electrons to take on a life of there own.  The energy that powers this system is simply the desire of the electrons to live as they want.  They like to go fast and spin around.  They tell the electrons in the collector to run cause the magnetic jail keeper isn't far behind. Little do they know that another magnetic influence has a light bulb up ahead to slow them down a bit.   

I am sure most people here have good intentions.
Unfortunately striving for an 'over unity' device is a complete waste of time and money.
You simply cannot defy the laws of physics.
By all means try and devise ways to better harness energy like solar, waves, biofuels etc.
But trying to 'create' energy......well, sorry..its a no no.

Quote from: Evil Roy Slade on November 13, 2007, 12:29:20 AM
I am sure most people here have good intentions.
Unfortunately striving for an 'over unity' device is a complete waste of time and money.
You simply cannot defy the laws of physics.
By all means try and devise ways to better harness energy like solar, waves, biofuels etc.
But trying to 'create' energy......well, sorry..its a no no.

Actually, this is not true.

You CAN defy the laws of physics...

Remember that the 'laws of physics' are merely observations of effects given certain circumstances.  In other words, they are not really 'laws' but suggestions to use based on observations.

It has already been proven that certain 'laws' of physics can be manipulated by thought...

And I believe that time will eventually prove that there are actually NO laws of physics... but merely common 'beliefs' of actions.

And these 'beliefs of action' will eventually be tied to a percentage of the populace who 'believes' them..

At this time, of course, none of this can be proven... but I believe this is true.

One such notable example of this is the Maharishi effect... where the crime rate was reduced coinciding with the time that meditators were meditating in NY.  (see "The Maharishi Effect" for more info).

Another example is Dr Emoto's experiments with water which can be found in his book 'Messages From Water'.... where the thoughts of students affected the shape of water crystals.

Even more astounding is the current research into DNA and it's correlation to a quantum computer.   

But this is slightly off the subject... sorry.

My point is that "you can't defy the laws of physics" is simply a lie.   

Our beliefs CAUSE this lie to perpetuate and it is only when we agree to 'change our minds' that these so called 'laws' of physics bend.

Remember "Nothing is impossible except the state of your mind makes it so".

Which is a quote from John Searl (of SEG fame)...  And Quantum physics is proving this over and over... 

Out thoughts DO affect the outcome of the physical.   

And to believe otherwise is simply 'burying your head into the sands'.

FB

The laws of Physics are NOT 'merely' observations. They have been mathematically proven. Thats a fact. You may not like it, but Mother Nature doesn't care what you beleive or don't beleive.

Please cite which Law of Physics can be 'manipulated by thought'.

In regards to John Searl, he has made some extraordinary claims. Have you ever seen a working model of his 'Searl Effect'. No. Does that sound familiar? Its the same old story...'I have designed this machine but it doesn't work yet'.

John Searl's biography is here: http://www.searlsolution.com/johnsearl3.html

Where did he do his 'professorship'?

Evil Roy...

There is no chance you will ever convince those who choose to believe that all of science is a giant conspiracy against free energy.  Oddly, they make use of all the various technologies that science has brought forth in their vain attempts to defy its most basic principals and laws!

I still say it would be equally fruitful and much wiser economically to spend these efforts on trying to lift ones' self skyward by tugging upward on ones' own hind quarters.  Given success at this, just think of the transportation energy that could be saved! 

Not to mention the possiblities offered by changing dirt into gold or harnessing the power of ten thousand angels dancing on the head of a pin!  Why we do not see more efforts put into these very attractive basic low-tech proposals I do not understand.  Could it be that the modern "popular hobbyist researcher" has become distracted by technology brought to us by these evil, filthy conspiring scientists?  The very science they reject has provided all of their tools and playtoys!

Linda

Quote from: innovation_station on November 09, 2007, 10:31:53 AM

well guys its still not big enough for me to want this pize    lol

hmm it is rizing quite fast...
what is big enough for you to want this prize??
Maybe $10.000 ??  ;D

M.

I must say it is good to see that so many people a keen on this type of device, however you really should be careful what you wish for. I will give you reality of the outcome first before i give you the shock of your life.

Reality is that the world stockmarket is mostly oil gas and coal driven, most large firms also invest in these firms including your superannuation funds, your banks, etc Banks only have govt g'teed saving accounts, and that means very basic saving with almost no interest, not your super saver or fixed term investment. all other accounts have fine print that says "we do not g'tee the performance of the fund" "or the return of your capital"!!!! so the world will as you know it be destroyed by the very thing you think will save it.

The bad news is that the motivation by someone may be that very thing, and in this case is that very thing.

For those who always wanted to see it happen, you will, on the 20th of June 2008 a perpetual motion machine will be released to the world. the machine was already built small scale and ran a car stereo. but the world needs to see something they can relate to, so it is being scaled up to 240 volt with a television plugged in.

Fortunately it is simple and easy to understand even to a housewife or school student that had no physics comprehension so the message and design will spread fast. Better still it can be fit to cars, or be made the size of a reactor. It really is over (the race)

As for being killed, many world physics professors know who I am, and have copies of patents for other devices i have built that are working tested units that also defy the laws of thermodynamics, one of which goes into production next year for the company who paid myself to design it.

The person most likely to be telling you the truth that it has been done (breaching the laws of thermodynamics) is the person who has already done it. So you can be certain that what comes is real i am attaching a copy of the Patent for The Thermal accelerator a built and tested piece of equipment that was rebuilt and retested by the company about to manufacture it. This device destroyed the known thermodynamic tables for energy and heat by over 20 percent.

But here is the part you will really love, if you have a thermocouple based thermostat (from elec stores about 20 dollars) you can build this at home ( remember it is patent protected so this is only for your own use as are the laws covering patents) and you could do this in a day with a hairdryer set in the position of the element set and fan array, for a few bucks.you can see as the best engineers in the field have seen that thermodynamics laws are toast.

Then you will know what comes is the real deal.

Also check surphzup.com

Eskimo wrote:

so the world will as you know it be destroyed by the very thing you think will save it. To this I say, it's about time. The greed and evil of the present barons of oil is beyond what we can stand any longer. They have raked our wealth and turned us into slaves for their own gain. To have such a device would free the common person, especially those in poor and undeveloped countries. Enough is enough. Don't worry Mr. Quinn. We will be able to weather the storms that follow just fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For those who always wanted to see it happen, you will, on the 20th of June 2008 a perpetual motion machine will be released to the world. the machine was already built small scale and ran a car stereo. but the world needs to see something they can relate to, so it is being scaled up to 240 volt with a television plugged in.So why wait half a year? If it truly exists, then let's see it running something. I don't see a video, just some long-winded paper. I don't believe this device for one minute. This is a joke. If I am wrong, then prove it Eskimo! Coming in here and spouting off. Just a bunch of words.

Fortunately it is simple and easy to understand even to a housewife or school student that had no physics comprehension so the message and design will spread fast. The paper is dated 1990, and you say it is so simple, yet it's going to take another half a year to come out. This is a joke!!

The person most likely to be telling you the truth that it has been done (breaching the laws of thermodynamics) is the person who has already done it. Yeah, right!So you can be certain that what comes is real i am attaching a copy of the Patent for The Thermal accelerator a built and tested piece of equipment that was rebuilt and retested by the company about to manufacture it. This device destroyed the known thermodynamic tables for energy and heat by over 20 percent.How about YOU build it and put it on youtube for all to see. Oh yeah, that's right, it's going to take a half a year to build and demonstrate this "simple" device that anyone can build.

I am sorry eveyone, I have had it with these jokers that come on here and spout off like this. Let's see a working device and some data. All I see are a bunch of words. What a joke.

Go ahead, prove me wrong. I would be happy to see that happen.

G'day all,

Just a little excerpt from the website http://www.surphzup.com

I will also release the photos and video and plans after that day on this site also, certain persons may request an invitation to view one of them on the day of release, but all attending will be required to provide verifiable identification with photographs, be contactable prior, and have credentials that can be checked.

I wonder, does he want my credit card number as well?? Sounds like a phishing site to me.

Hans von Lieven

Clearly the site says no investors or any wanted, as for timing, I finish up at the engineering firm for whom I designed the accelerator on Thursday, then like everyone else will have xmas holidays.

I also thought that if people were given sufficient time to move their super to self managed funds such as property, then I wouldn?t be that terrible man who gave them no warning, lastly the 20th of June is my birthday, and as there will be no patent, recognition and history will be my payment.

Usually people who wish to dismiss something of this nature are from oil companies or the government, and I am a little disappointed considering an engineer would have verified the laws of thermodynamics were breached by the same person making the further claim, and would have read the patent attached. As the site is dedicated to invention, I thought all the members were such people, obviously not.

Common sense tells you that such a claim if unfounded can only make me look stupid, and unlike the Irish claim has no investors so additionally no one is hurt.
Seems like a foolish claim to make by the first person in history to not simply defy thermodynamics (with the Thermal Accelerator) to then make a fool of himself by making a nonsense claim, when he could sit back and do nothing and still be the only person to beat Newton. Now why would someone throw away the chance to be the most famous person in the history of physics? Unless of course the second claim is true..

Have a good xmas people.

He is stating to sound more and more like Lawrence :-)

Hans von Lieven

If what is being claimed here is that the efficiency of energy being put out by a device that uses this technology improves by approximately 20% then how would that be the end of oil. All that would happen would be that devices would use 20% less oil. This would not cause the markets to crash or the oil industry to implode, it would only mean that the oil supply would be stretched, which means the price of oil would simply rise by 20% so the greedy oil barons would keep their profits at an ever increasing slope. This would hardly be the end of the oil economy.

This is how it looks to me, but I could easily be wrong. I am no expert, just a lowly researcher who wants the world off of oil completely.

For the rat,

The patent was proof that the laws of thermodynamics had been breached, and by 20 percent in heatload calculations. This is NOT the perpetual motion machine, simply to show that the person making the claim of perpetual motion had already achieved what no other in history had, so you would feel comfortable in waiting.

Will be off until after xmas.

thanks

Quote from: aussepom on October 10, 2007, 04:03:41 PM
  hi  Hartberlin
    just joined to see what you are up to,   if my new project is successful it will produce at least 3,000 ltrs of hoh gas in one miinute

How can you do this amount?
how much voltage? ,How much current (amps)???

Hello Eskimo Quinn!
I hope you are right about this!
Im looking forward too 20.06.08!!
Good luck! :)

Gentlemen,

I have an idea, as rare as this is!!  ;)

If I were to invent a device (unlikely) that we are all searching for I would want to make sure of two things:

1. I get enough money to look after the people I care about for the rest of their natural lives.

2. Safeguard this community financially for a very very long time to continue and increase research in to our ethos.

So, my proposal is:

We take the prize money and use it for patenting the technology and then license it in the following way:

2%=Inventor.
2%=Overunity.com.
46%=Earth re-sustaining projects.
50%=manufacturer.

I know this sounds really crazy, but we need to establish some infrastructure that in case some or any of us come accross something, we have a way to protect the inventor, our community, and the planet, before some organisation who may be reading our group patents our idea first!!

God, I must sound crazy guys!! But I have all of our interest in mind here!!

Let me expand:

Should I ever invent something like an OU device I would patent by myself. And I would do it roughly in the following way:

Me and People I care about: 5%.
Overunity.com: 5%.
Earth Re-Stabilisation: 50%
Manufacturer: 40%.

Based on the take-up of such a device, I believe that at least one manufacturer would take this proposal on. I know it's different from what I proposed for the group but bear in mind that I'm talking about me here. I'm a very good negotiator in my professional life. Only if you knew me you'd understand. And also, the likelyhood of me finding something is about -0.5%. Thet's right. Minus!!

Nevertheless, it still does not stop me from thinking about this. We have to protect ourselves and each other in the eventuality we do discover/invent something. The trouble is, whilst we are busy perfecting our invention, some corporation is busy patenting it!!

These are my thoughts gentlemen, and as always, I look forward and welcome your replies!! Just take it easy if you can if you don't agree with me.

With best wishes and a very Merry Christmas to one and all !!

Mike

hi mike,

i like your intentions, but i think your approach may not satisfy the needs of many members.

i would like to suggest another approach::::

We take a corporation or small business ( perhaps overunity.com?) - create the device and put it into use immediately to say power a small "office light".

ok:: now, the device/technology in question would be in "commercial use", which disqualifies it for a Patent, under the U.S. Patent Office, and the Patent offices of most other countries.

This will protect the technology/device(s) and keep them in the public domain forever.

Hi Smoky,

Wow. Your idea is much simpler ... and cheaper!!  ;)

You got it right. I just want to protect what the members do here, because they deserve any rewards for their efforts.

I didn't know that you could do that but it is a far better idea and achieves the same goal really. Protection of our work.

So, basically what I'm saying is that I'm right behind you on your idea. If you or anyone needs anything from me just give me a shout. I shall keep a keen eye on this post in future for possible developments if all or enough agree to go forward that way.

Regards,

Mike

For Heavesn sake, Stefan, spend a bit of this money on getting overunity.com running better before it breaks under the weight.

Confucius, he say: "There is a limit to the number of sacks of coal you can transport on a motorcycle before you need to get a van.

HI ALL

I put 300$ to the prize,  so it is  : 5300$ now,
;D ;) :D :D

Hey guys, If every 9739 member would put e.g. 15$ to the prize POT ,, it would be: 9739*15 =.146.085 $

it is quite good amount is'nt it?

This device of Quinns......

i did some preliminary tests on the pressure system, and it appears you can force this type of heat pump to circulate through the "loop".

The question i have (and i have no way of even testing this with any degree of accuracy) is wether or not the heating of the fluid is increased beyond thermodynamical potential.

NOW::  every element has a known thermal cooeficient, based on mass, and we know exactly how long it will take to heat up said mass with a given ammount of thermal energy.

k.        lets just say that in one "cycle" of the archer's loop - 1 Liter of fluid ran though it.
and was heated by the element.

now,. 1/5th of a liter is cycled back through, so you're essentially putting 20% of the initial heat energy back into the system, so help in heating the next 4/5th's liter that is passing through the element.

you are now heating 80% of the original volume, so you will notice a 20% decrease in the time taken to heat or a 20% increase in the final difference in temperature (when time is constant).

i do not see this issue addressed anywhere in their discussion of the devices, nor do i see how this in any way violates (or even bends) the laws of thermodynamics.
i like this archer's loop though, this could come in handy for several things.

Cool beans to see prize money for open source overunity techs.
www.aero2012.com also has funding for techs that are overunity, though the bar is pretty high for that award.
www.green-salon.com lists a few techs that may make it across the finish line first.
I gave Bob Boyce a Prius this month for his open source tech - wish him luck...that's the only funding I had left for these types of projects.
If I had more I'd throw it into the kitty...

Todd & Nora
301-320-3716

Good to see you worked on the accelerator theory as an exercise, although as noted even in the patent application, it is a built and fully tested device. In your last para, where you noted the increase of 20 percent, that "is" the breach, the outcome for total fluid over watts of the element at set time and voltage exceed the scientific tables for the outcome by 20 percent, these tables which have existed for some 40 years as they are now were based on the maximum achievable under the laws of energy and heat or newton's first. Which of course made sense, based on the premise the world thought Newton was God and could not be wrong, I on the other hand do not claim to have or know the limit of such tables or indeed if there even is one when it comes to heat and energy. I only know that according to the heatload calculation tables derived from newtons first that they are no longer valid, and as such if they were accurately derived from Newton and known physics (as one would imagine the scientific community would have) the Newton and the standing laws have been beaten and publicly so.

In other news I'm back from my holidays, and after completing 2 other patents over the next few weeks, i will start the rebuild of the larger version of my other favorite toy, and it may end up being earlier than June 20 this year based on the current behaviour of the oil companies and lack of government intervention. (if they can screw our farmers by fixing the maximum price for milk they could have screwed these scumbags accordingly).

Hope you all had a good break.

For those of you who wish to build a test unit of the accelerator for around 50 bux, i will give you instructions now. Please look at the patent app so you understand the basics.

For those who don't fully understand thermodynamics, you do not need to build the most perfect machine to test the laws, as they are set. The rule being (in simple) you can't get more heat out without more energy in, so no matter what your device and how poorly insulated a device is, whatever the maximum temperature the device achieves in output is the maximum for that device. According to thermodynamic laws you cannot get more heat out without more energy in (we will agree for the sake of argument that the ambient input temperature stays the same) The laws say that no mechanical device can make more heat come out of the same device (mechanical being a non powered array or configuration of the same device excluding increasing insulative properties)

Not noted in the Accelerator Patent for deliberate reasons to counter every stupid argument that could ever come up regarding some minuscule reason about planetary alignment or any other horse shit someone may wish to use to say there are reasons why the tables are not correct in this instance. In simple if the heat from the accelerator is the same with or without the loop and forced low pressure effect, then Newton is still beaten!!! Why?? because the surface area and added friction and travel loss of heat through the loop says it should be colder with the accelerator, and that is the very foundation of newtons first regarding energy and heat, that surface area forms part of the heat loss equations and therefor must absolutely be colder if 15 percent is added to the surface area by the addition of the loop, in addition to that, the loop is "not heated" so the loss is even greater than a 15 percent increase in the surface area as those calculations are based on heated surface!!! Newton is most definitely toast.

OK 50 bux

20 dollars, one travel hair dryer, you know the one that looks like a cylinder and the handle collapses, 2 dollar shops and K mart usually have them.

This is of course the fan with element in front, just as in the accelerator.

15 dollars, one multi meter from JayCar or the like that has a thermocouple for reading temperatures quickly and accurately. (bloody cheap for a digital thermocouple aren't they?)

7.50 for an 800mm length of plumbing pipe just large enough to fit the cylinder of the hair dryer in.

7.50 for a 300mm length of pipe 20mm and 2 elbows (electrical conduit) for the loop

5 dollars for fabric tape (used on the cold side)

cut a slot 2.5 time the length of the dryer the width of the drop down handle to slide it in (do not remove the handle) tape evenly over the slot (even tape the cutout back in if you can)

Now drill 2 holes the same size as the elbows so the internal walls (diameter) of the elbows are the same as the holes. The first hole 25 mm away from the intake side of the dryer, and the other one hair dryer length from the outlet side of the dryer, and affix the loop.

Cut a slot in the loop somewhere to insert a thin piece of plastic like from and ice cream container. place the piece in to stop any flow through the loop.

Now turn on the dryer and place the thermo couple probe down inside a few inches from the end of the main outlet and run for  until as hot as it will get, tape the probe in one place so the reading are equally fair. let the unit get cold if you like (max heat is max heat right?)

now remove the piece of plastic and tape the slot and try again and watch the temp rise and rise past the maximum ability of the heater as was previously available.

25 percent of all airconditioning and heating costs throughout the world? I'd call that better than a neat trick.

Have fun

you're not seeing the conceptual problem here, that i tried to point out above.....

VOLUME!!  when you open the bypass valve, you lose a portion of your volume, which is recycled back through the loop.

the heat energy in that portion of the volume, is added back to the system, there is no increase. it is exactly the same as it was before you opened the loop, (minus a small ammount that is actually lost in the loop).

measure this sytem again, keeping a close watch on Volume, and adjust the heat energy value to include the % volume heated by the previous pass through the loop.

it may help to use a colored dye insert into your working fluid, at the back end of the return loop., so yu can get the time variance of one "pass" through the system, when calculating your volume.

Total Heat is not all of the equation here, you must take the change in volume into account. While you can increase the total heat of the system, you at the same time are decreasing the volume of the system, and more particularly, the % of the volume of the fluid that is being heated from ambient temperature. You increase the ammount of fluid that is already at "max temp", and being heated further as it passes through the loop a second time.

Not sure you understand volume very well? for a start this system has been built and tested by the firm that now owns it, and are among the top industrial heating equipment suppliers in the world.

60 litres per second is 60 litres per second,???

if i fill a bucket will 4 litres of water that takes 4 minutes to fill, and then add a one litre overflow pocket before outlet to a pipe it should take 5 mins to fill correct?? (i litre per min)

now after the first 5 mins it will have an output of 4 litres per 4 mins or litre per min, you cannot change flow, once a device is full, whatever the flow rate is is a static point of measurement.

Once the loop is full using the same equation as above, then the flow rate remains 60 litres per second (that is the standard flow rate for most air con systems)

There is no missing 20 percent of volume, or the system would build up the 20 percent as pressure every second, I'm pretty sure there is not 12 litres "per second" magically disappearing and when measuring the flow rate  from the outlet, we have never even found a loss of air flow.

But basic fluid dynamics is usually the first thing overlooked by even the best physics people, same as cancer specialists for cancer, skin specialists for skin etc will always see what the GP can miss.

Basic fluid dynamics 101: the loop is already full of air/fluid (air or liquid is always referred to as fluid)
so you don't need to find the extra 20 percent to fill it for the first run, all fluid in the device starts to move simultaneously, even it the fluid was liquid and the loop full of air it is still fluid now under pressure and still comprises a percentage of the total volume.

In any event the reason it qualified for an inventive step in the patent application was for that reason.

Inventive step does "NOT" mean a new invention, it means something even an engineer would not easily understand from a conversation and for that matter even a schematic until built. The use of The owner (for whom I designed the device) as the credibility source being one of the leading heating engineers in high tech thin film carbon element design as being sufficient validation as an independent builder and tester in the global commercial arena in conjunction with the engineers at the patent office was sufficient.

Whilst it is difficult for most to comprehend that the extra heat/energy was gained without more power, the temperature rise proves the machine works regardless of opinion, though i doubt it would be easy to explain whee the 20 percent air pressure and Volume flow was dissapearing to in your understanding.

Hey don't feel bad, I missed the whole didn't need to increase the heat thing myself, it was the patent office that pointed out, that even with an output temp the same, it must increase the heat to make up for the increased surface area of the loop loosing extra heat compared to an identical unit with the loop shut off. (it's why the analogy was missing from the patent app) so they knew it worked even at zero increase in output as there were no losses that should have occurred.

i was not saying that is dissapeared,.

what i was saying was that it is being A) heated during the loop cycle.

and B) contained (for a duration) in the back side of the archer's loop.

the original test (control) has the loop closed off, say the loop has what? 15% of the volume of the loopless path?

wether it be full or not is irrelevant, because it is not being heated, and the heat energy from the main path of flow is not being split when the loop is closed.

volume 4 liters per minute pours out through the path. at heat X.

open the loop, and (takes an extra minute to heat the fluid in the loop), and the 4 liters per minute comes out hotter than the previous 9 liters. now 15% of the fluid, and thus 15% of the heat energy is sent back through the loop, the device is still outputting 4 liters per minute, as 4 liters per minute are flowing into the intake of the device.

it DOES increase the eficiency of heating the fluid by 20%, by recycling 15% of the heat energy back through the cycle, and (with blatent disregard to heat losses) you do not have to replenish this 15% as long as the system remains in operation (meaning the fluid in the loop isnt allowed to cool back to ambient). I am not saying that this is not a very effiecient method of heating a fluid (by far the best we have seen yet). But i dont see how it changes the maximum energy flow into your working fluid.

First off, the heating device used, even in the labratory testing done by this company, was nothing near 100% efficient at converting electrical energy into heat, or in transfering heat energy into the fluid, also you are adding the energy to move the fluid, and to move the heat (the fan).
a Hair dryer is even less efficient.  so essentially what is being improved here
is the rate of heat transfer into a fluid flowing at a given rate through a given sized container, with a given innefficient heating element.

If you would like to compare mathematics, i can show you that with a perfect heating element (one that can transfer heat to the fluid with 0 loss) that the BTU still holds constant with or without the loop, and that archer's loop has essentially no effect on a perfect system.
with the maximum ammount of energy being converted into heat and transfered into the system by the element, there is no "extra heat" gained by the loop.
the pressure balances out at both ends of the loop (though not so within the loop itself) so it does not effect the actual rate/pressure of flow of the system output.

For an inneficient fluid heating system - this device would be great.

Quote from: The Eskimo Quinn on January 04, 2008, 12:03:18 AM
For those of you who wish to build a test unit of the accelerator for around 50 bux, i will give you instructions now. Please look at the patent app so you understand the basics.

For those who don't fully understand thermodynamics, you do not need to build the most perfect machine to test the laws, as they are set. The rule being (in simple) you can't get more heat out without more energy in, so no matter what your device and how poorly insulated a device is, whatever the maximum temperature the device achieves in output is the maximum for that device. According to thermodynamic laws you cannot get more heat out without more energy in (we will agree for the sake of argument that the ambient input temperature stays the same) The laws say that no mechanical device can make more heat come out of the same device (mechanical being a non powered array or configuration of the same device excluding increasing insulative properties)

Not noted in the Accelerator Patent for deliberate reasons to counter every stupid argument that could ever come up regarding some minuscule reason about planetary alignment or any other horse shit someone may wish to use to say there are reasons why the tables are not correct in this instance. In simple if the heat from the accelerator is the same with or without the loop and forced low pressure effect, then Newton is still beaten!!! Why?? because the surface area and added friction and travel loss of heat through the loop says it should be colder with the accelerator, and that is the very foundation of newtons first regarding energy and heat, that surface area forms part of the heat loss equations and therefor must absolutely be colder if 15 percent is added to the surface area by the addition of the loop, in addition to that, the loop is "not heated" so the loss is even greater than a 15 percent increase in the surface area as those calculations are based on heated surface!!! Newton is most definitely toast.

OK 50 bux

20 dollars, one travel hair dryer, you know the one that looks like a cylinder and the handle collapses, 2 dollar shops and K mart usually have them.

This is of course the fan with element in front, just as in the accelerator.

15 dollars, one multi meter from JayCar or the like that has a thermocouple for reading temperatures quickly and accurately. (bloody cheap for a digital thermocouple aren't they?)

7.50 for an 800mm length of plumbing pipe just large enough to fit the cylinder of the hair dryer in.

7.50 for a 300mm length of pipe 20mm and 2 elbows (electrical conduit) for the loop

5 dollars for fabric tape (used on the cold side)

cut a slot 2.5 time the length of the dryer the width of the drop down handle to slide it in (do not remove the handle) tape evenly over the slot (even tape the cutout back in if you can)

Now drill 2 holes the same size as the elbows so the internal walls (diameter) of the elbows are the same as the holes. The first hole 25 mm away from the intake side of the dryer, and the other one hair dryer length from the outlet side of the dryer, and affix the loop.

Cut a slot in the loop somewhere to insert a thin piece of plastic like from and ice cream container. place the piece in to stop any flow through the loop.

Now turn on the dryer and place the thermo couple probe down inside a few inches from the end of the main outlet and run for  until as hot as it will get, tape the probe in one place so the reading are equally fair. let the unit get cold if you like (max heat is max heat right?)

now remove the piece of plastic and tape the slot and try again and watch the temp rise and rise past the maximum ability of the heater as was previously available.

25 percent of all airconditioning and heating costs throughout the world? I'd call that better than a neat trick.

Have fun

SmOky may have a point  here.     

I didn't  do the  test .   If  there is someone  out there that did ........it should be  easy enough to  find the  real truth .

Just  do the test  again ........  but   In a box  ......and  put the   thermacouple  in a bag of sand or something .

If  Quin  is  right   the bag of sand  should  heat  up faster and   reach a higher  temprature   when   using the feedback loop .


To be fair  to Quins  concept  you might  want to  use   another   elbow or  2  and a  little more pipe to  aim the output  back   at the  hairdrier  intake.


gary

Hate to burst your bubble but the Picture in the accelerator patent was not the one used , for reasons of patenting separately the one that was as a commercially viable system, and according to the output without the loop was as close to lab condition results as could be obtained.

According to the heatload calculation tables (based by the scientific community on newtons laws and your math)
an 850 watt heating element at 240 volts with an air volume of 60 litres per second in a 1.8 meter tube with a 200 mm diameter constructed of 3mm thick aluminium with no loop and no insulation (so the surface area heat loss table would be accurate) would be optimal at a 15 degree rise from ambient at the outlet end.

This device achieved a 14.7 ambient rise without the loop from 850 watts, that in itself is unheard of in the commercial heating industry as it was high tech thin film carbon element so there was almost no airflow interuption "the perfect heater" then the loop was added and the rise was 20 degrees from ambient.

Your argument cant stand against the fact the owner first designed the perfect heating element for fluid application for me to use, together with a perfect cylinder for airflow and friction reduction, add to that the use of 3mm aluminium reflecting 98 percent of all the heat radiated against it, was one insulated the most perfect design known to exist. once the insulation was added this jumped to 14.9 degrees from ambient without the accelerator, as far as we are aware 15 degrees can not be achieved unless the heater flow chamber was ceramic and the new ambient inside the heater did not sink to the flow chamber case.

If you get all the scientific data charts for what is optimal, you will see that 20C rise from ambient with 850 watts drawing static ambient air is impossible by a long shot at that flow rate and with that surface area. This is not an argument over points of a degree, this smashed the bound of possibility even in a lab.

I can personall send you a copy of the patent app for the heater that was used in the accelerator tests so you can get an idea of why the element and airflow was so perfect. The app has been lodged but i do not have the number back so can't publish it, but can allow private authorised viewing without compromising the patent. I think i have a photo of it inside also.

For those who don't wish to go to the mathematical lengths, ring or email any airconditioning or heating compnay and ask for an airflow heater 850watts max 240 volt and 60 litres per second, that has a 20 percent rise from ambient from the device "not recycled through the house over hours or days" (if you did that with this device you would cook yourself in your sleep)

To Gary, you don't point the pipe at the back of the dryer, the machine defeated newton because it created dual low pressure systems at that point if you drop it through the pipe you will destroy the artificial version of the venturi effect at the surface area.

Although you did remind me that i left out the short drop through at the alternate end as in the diagram.

The funniest thing is, this is not theory, this is now a working unit at a multimillion dollar global heating company, it's like arguing if a digital television will or won't work. it's already been done.

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by "perfect element" i do not mean just the conversion from electricity to heat.
that is a constant - regardless of WHICH element you use.

what i am talking about is the entire heating element (with blowing apperatus) which is transfering the heat into the working fluid.

this, if done properly, is directly proportional to surface area of the element, contacting the air moving through the device. - this is not perfect, because it does not usilize the entire surface area of the working fluid.

by adding the loop, and thus dispursing some of the heat back into an earlier section of the system you are increasing the surface area of the working fluid which is comming in contact to the heat energy you are transfering into it, virtually increasing the size of your heating element, or more appropriately, adding a secondary heating element powered by a % of the heat energy being placed into the system by the first element - without the loop, this heat energy would not be added back to the working fluid, thus giving you the (standard table) efficiency of heat transfer of this type of heating device. 

in comparison - an induction heater (similar to the ones found in new stovetops, or quartz oscillation heaters) if operated in a closed loop system, transfers heat energy into the working fluid as a much faster rate. While, this is still not the ideal system, such an induction heater would be closer to the ideal enough to show variance in the effects of the archer's loop, with a given volume / rate of flow - to demonstrate that the effects of the loop decrease infinitely down to 0, as the efficiency of the system approaches ideal.

you said

by adding the loop, and thus dispursing some of the heat back into an earlier section of the system you are increasing the surface area of the working fluid which is comming in contact to the heat energy you are transferring into it, virtually increasing the size of your heating element,

this is the reverse of physics??? the additional loop is unheated and can therefore only add to the surface area heat loss, thus it should make the fluid colder according to physics and newton but here is what you are not seeing, this does occur, the variant is that due to the unique setup, the fluid is already hotter than ambient so even with losses still maintains most of the heat,

further neither the loop nor the mainflow chamber in any heater are considered as "the element" adding a hundred loops or any configuration to a casing does not increase any surface area of any element, only the portion which losses heat "the surface area"

I have seen some of your answers in other posts which seem reasonable, but this is clearly outside your area of understanding, as are some of the devices others discuss outside my area of expertise and in some cases even basic knowledge.

Had it not worked and not exist, the patents office would not have accepted the application. As you can see it is not complex, so is purely table calculations combined with the primary inventive step of producing 2 low pressure systems in one area and forcing a false venturi to work looped within itself, also never accomplished before.

QUOTE::
""this is the reverse of physics??? the additional loop is unheated and can therefore only add to the surface area heat loss, thus it should make the fluid colder according to physics and newton but here is what you are not seeing, this does occur, the variant is that due to the unique setup, the fluid is already hotter than ambient so even with losses still maintains most of the heat, """

THIS IS NOT THE CASE - yes the exterior surface area of the loop does increase heat loss, but this is somewhat irrelevant.

the "surface area" i am talking about is the contact between the TWO fluids - which are at DIFFERENT TEMPERATURES.

the Hotter Fluid (in the loop) is fed back into the Cooler Fluid (in the main stream) and thuse acts as a secondary element - Adding more heat energy into the main fluid stream (energy that was obtained from the primary element, during the previous pass through the main stream, before the Fluid entered the loop)

Here's a perfect analogy of whats going on, using light as the "stream", in combination with an Archer's Loop

take a flashlight, and turn it on so that the light is directed into a focused beam , onto a photo-sensitive transistor array (used to detect the ammount of light energy obtained from the flashlight).

Now, there is a direct correlation between the Electrical energy output from the batteries and the Light energy obtained at the output of the flashlight. This produces a set scale, that does not change for that particular device.
x ammount of electricity = y ammount of light.  Oh, but what is this? the Archer's loop increases the ammout of light output!!!!  - or does it?

Take a set or mirrors, reflect a portion the light back, to a spot further "upstream", then reflect it back semi-parallel to the flashlight output, such that it is directed onto the photosensitive array.

after a time constant of "charging" ( approx. 0.021 microseconds in this case) the intensity of light from the flashlight is increased from what it was without the loop.  It appears "brighter", and thus you will get an increased resistance across the array, resulting in a greater radiant flux reading on the output of your light sensor.

I hope this helps you understand how the process is working with the Archer's Loop.

                                                                                   Sm0ky

now that you have clarified the fluid rather than the loop itself as a secondary heating source, on that point I agree, but the heat gained from that is also lost at the same time. I'll explain.

The heat is gained because the element does not have to heat all the fluid from ambient because of the loop giving it excess power after achieving the element's previous maximum temp to fluid output, thus the speed or temp can be increased by the amount that is saved.

What you are referring to does happen but is also lost, so is not part of the equation, unlike the light, the light is not lessend or made weaker when it comes in contact with the other light, in fact greater energy from heat of the brighter light is gained. Wherein the hotter fluid from the loop does serve to heat the ambient fluid, the ambient also sinks the heat from the loop fluid.

your analogy although incorrect in regard to light (yet still a good way of putting your case) is in fact correct, yet not correct science for determining the source of the additional power, which is the original element not working at full capacity to get to the original max temp, therefore the element when working at full capacity has no choice but to apply that difference to the fluid.

You understand the loop and how it works, but for scientific expalanation you are describing what has happend or is happening, not the point of origin and why. which may seem like the same thing but is not. at the end of the day you understand what is happening, and most importantly that it does indeed work.

Now that may not seem like much to most, but it was noted in discussions with the patent office that it did qualify as an inventive step.

Now I'll note this again for persons not familiar with patents.

NB: very fewinventions in history qualify for recognition for an inventive step. Inventive step does not mean new invention that someone else has never thought of, that term is "Novel" the term inventive step means that "An Engineer in that chosen field would not easily believe that it works or understand how it works from a description"

Point in case, the firm for whom I designed and built the first accelerator had tow electrical engineers and one mechanical engineer, specific to the heating industry, one in his 50's and one in his 60's neither belied Zit could be done, and even to this day both still scratch their heads that it works after rebuilding it themselves and doing the tests with and without the loop. In fact one is still adamant that it shouldn't (clearly another believer who misunderstands that Newton was just another man and not God)

My point is albeit that you arrived at it in a roundabout way, you understand what many engineers do not. :)

Has anyone applied for the prize? Stats?I know someone claimed "this little piggy went to market" did they apply?

I know now that I wouldnt apply for the prize but this site will have all the details anyway.....I have a NZ patent only

Antone who has worked in an industry that involves shipping large items already knows the prize is for toys only, after all it would cost that to send 3 items100 KG  overseas for the proposed trial and then some, not to mention the cost of materials, and i doubt anyone thinks their time is worthless enough to build 3 more on top of that to bother. I can build mine for around 500 dollars for a 700watt version, the one being released in June, but it weighs close to 100 kg, the generator and electrical rig weighs around 20 straight out of the box.

This is more for an orbo sized toy, and an incentive for those whose items cost nothing to make and who have sufficient time to waste building 3 more rather than supplying the plans globally. I appreciate the sentiment, but without a reasonable prize it would not be worth trying to accommodate the wish list of requests involved.

I personally think a 1 dollar a month membership would help things along, even at 100 members it is 1200 a month, although it is a lot of management to see who has paid and who has not at the start of each month, but there could be a running tally and any bank interest could go to the moderator for time costs in administration. A simple quarterly bank statement would suffice, and i really do believe that even after June has come and gone people will still try to invent different forms of it, hell, once they have seen Newton was a cock, who stole most of his work from Galileo and the like, then they will know the thermodynamics laws are not laws at all.

I won't be claiming the prize but would be happy to throw in some cash if i could see a tally on the site somewhere. For those waiting for the June project, I have purchased the generator component last week, a standard 700 watt petrol generat pr from which i will remove the combustion engine component and attach the machine as a direct drive to the existing shaft, this machine is ideal as all components are publicly known (GMC 700watt) and i don't have to build any configuration for the power outlets for measurements, simply plug any item into the existing sockets once running. A full parts list will be available with the instructions.

My money is that the smote will run second place (even if i have to do that one myself as well)

So where is the tally for the cash jack?, and make sure you can take paypal,

Have anybody noticed this already?
If not a scam, seems a $200 FE solution...

http://r-charge.com/products.html

It is called the

Bedini Energenx Solid State Battery Chargers

in http://rpmgt.org/SSG.html

Is that something? Maybe I am confused.

Quote from: lanenal on January 27, 2008, 10:44:43 PM
Have anybody noticed this already?
If not a scam, seems a $200 FE solution...

http://r-charge.com/products.html

It is called the

Bedini Energenx Solid State Battery Chargers

in http://rpmgt.org/SSG.html

Is that something? Maybe I am confused.

Laneal

I  would  not   trust that site .   

As  I am sure you noticed  some of the   exact same   devices are  shown on the bedini  site ......in at least one case  it is  the exact same picture on both sites . 


However   charging battery with   pulsing DC  does  work  very well.

I  bought a  booklet 

http://www.eagle-research.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=35

The  guy that wrote it   makes  similar  claims  about the  ability  to  improve the  function of  old sulfated  lead acid batterys .   

I tried it ........it  does seem to  work as he  says
His  charger  is not automatic ......and it takes a couple days (or more  if the  battery is really bad )


The home page for  the  that site is

http://www.eagle-research.com/

Some of his  booklets  are   just theory .....  I  bought  several  of them
His  browns  gas book seemed  practical ......
His H.E.A.T  technology  book  at least when I bought it  was  just theory ........and I didn't agree with all of it.

I think his  site is  worth looking at .
he  has been making  his living   with  what is  basically open source  technology  for  quite a while now ...... it has been at least 4 years sense I bought my  booklets. 


gary

  Stefan, I like your idea and I hope the right person comes froward. Actually the device is already out there.It just needs to come out of the closet. While its great to publish the device and make it public domain and we should do this first however the best way to insure its success is to quietly make as many of these devices of over unity in your community while teaching others to make them as well. Then branch out to other cities and help them to start building free energy devices and show them how to do the same thing. Once enough people have them and help their family and friends make one you will reach a point of no return. No one or no oil company or utility company will be able to shut it down. Stefan, I believe this is the year to see energy breakthroughs. Probably four or five new energy sources will come froward this year. I am working on one myself and will share more about it later.
Keep up the good work. 
The Big E

hi lanelan, as i understand, this RenaissanceTM Charger (battery-charger) has nothing to do with a overunity-device. its somer kind of charger, which use pulses (for example 20V on 8kHz) while charging/decharging to reanimate almost dead lead-acid or lead-gel batteries. the pulses destroy lead-sulfate crystalls and the batteries should be almost as new again. never testet it, but read, that it should work great. a device to extend lifetime of conventional lead-batteries.

I dont see why we are so exited about over unity when we have not  achieved 100 % efficiency yet .

who is in the top 3 running for the prize ?

Open your mind people... all the energy is around us.. it just gets transformed one way or another along our merry quest in life. 

as far as i know, there has not yet been an applicant that satisfies the requirements of the OU-Prize.

Howdy Y'all,
At the time that I am writing this gasoline is $3.30/gallon in Dallas, Texas.  I am sure that I am not the only one here that is fed up with paying unbelievable fuel prices.  I drive a small 4 cylinder car.  However, living in Dallas, I am surrounded by monster trucks with giant V8 engines, it must suck to be them. 
If we don't start making progress with Overunity I may have to get a second mortgage on my house to be able to afford fuel for my 4 cylinder car.

I think the prize belongs to me. Big talk right? No I'm serious. But I'll just wait until the prize money is big enough before competing. You just need to see out of the box people!

Quote from: gurangax on February 26, 2008, 06:41:45 AM
I think the prize belongs to me. Big talk right? No I'm serious. But I'll just wait until the prize money is big enough before competing. You just need to see out of the box people!

If you have a working device, "how much" $ would be enough for you to share it with the world?
thats what this is all about.

What kind of monetary incentive would make it worth it to you?

$15K . There's a personal reason to that. I might have found Bessler wheel secret.

Sorry guys but I don't know where to post this. someone posted me this on the 26th Feb 08, after my first post to the forum. asking for my telephone number and adress. Do you guys get the same email or just me? who is this Miss Celina Amina Doudou anyway is she real or just a spam. Is there something wrong with the forum? I typed in and russian characters came out. the only way I can post it here is using notepad via cut and paste. Here are the email I received.


Letter of Relationship and Establishment Aid.
From :Miss Celina Amina Doudou
Abidjan Cote d' Ivoire West Africa
Tel+22508516696
For logistic reason contact me on e.mail:(celindoud01@yahoo.fr)

Attention: Respectful
Greetings and How are you Dear Friend.I am Celina Doudou  from  Cote d' Ivoire in West Africa.  I would like you to Please permit me to apply through this medium for your cooperation  to secure an opportunity to invest and do joint relationship and establishment with you in your country. I got your contact from the Overunity  Forum  Memberlist.
Hence I have  substantial capital which I honourably Inherited from my late father Chief Emile Boga Doudou  who was the minister of Interior and also have Cocao and Coffee plantation and deals in Gold, Diamond Mining and Trading in bouake Northern District of Coted' Ivoire in Western Africa, Before the Epmigo Rebels killed Him during the political crisis on the  mutiny rebellion upraising that equally lead to the death of former military junta Robert Guei.
I am contacting you because of my need to deal with honest person whom I can lay trust and personal confidence on with hope that he will not let me down,because since the murder of my father,I have been subjected to all sorts of harassment and intimidation with lots of negative reports emanating from the rebellion people due to this political crisis we are facing which have resulted to war in some part of our country Ivory Coast  since this past years.
I legitmately inherited this sum from my late father who died recently and I intend to invest this money in profitable areas in your country into a very lucratives business venture of which you are to advise and execute the  venture over there for the mutual benefits of both of us.
Most especially is for you to help me come over to your base if possible for You be able co-operate with me to become my business partner in your country and create ideas on how  money will be invested, properly managed and the type of investment after the money  is transferred to your custody with your assistance.I inherited this sum from my late father  whom the rebels killed because he was not supporting their selfish interest to topple the president Gbagbo the present president of Ivory Coast .
Please I want you to consider my situation and reply me with  the  indication of your willingness to  handle this transaction sincerely by protecting my Interest and upon your acceptance of this proposal.I will furnish you with the full details information, procedure on how to continue.The exact amount involved is the sum of Nine Million Five Hundred Thousand  USD ($9.500.000.00)USD
If you accept to associate with me,both of us will mutually agree on your percentage interest and share holding for helping me to secure the release of the deposit and investing the money into  lucratives profitable venture in your care.I will be glad to reserve this respect and opportunity for you if you so desire to relate with me with good mind and honesty. I do urge  you to kindly give this matter your immediate attention and the maximum seriousness it deserves for the smooth achievement of the aim.
I want you to be rest assured that everything is in order and legitimate it was due to the political crisis in our country that have resulted to war in some part of our region which have cause everybody to find a way of geting out from  the country,for this reason I use this medium to request for your assistance with hope that you will not let down the confidence I have already reposed on you.
This money is legitimately acquired by my late father from sales of Cocoa and Coffee and Diamond dealings.If it interests you Please forward your reply including your telephone number and fiscal address to my private email address so that I can provide you with more clarifications and details about it all.
Looking forward for your prompt response on e.mail:(celindoud01@yahoo.fr)
Thanks for your understanding and future cooperations.
Sincerely
Celina Doudou

Quote from: gurangax on February 27, 2008, 06:40:46 AM
Sorry guys but I don't know where to post this. someone posted me this on the 26th Feb 08, after my first post to the forum. asking for my telephone number and adress. Do you guys get the same email or just me? who is this Miss Celina Amina Doudou anyway is she real or just a spam. Is there something wrong with the forum? I typed in and russian characters came out. the only way I can post it here is using notepad via cut and paste. Here are the email I received.


Letter of Relationship and Establishment Aid.
From :Miss Celina Amina Doudou
Abidjan Cote d' Ivoire West Africa
Tel+22508516696
For logistic reason contact me on e.mail:(celindoud01@yahoo.fr)
........
Thanks for your understanding and future cooperations.
Sincerely
Celina Doudou

Hi,

IT IS A SPAM! the best is to delete such mails.  See this here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4175.0/topicseen.html

Also from Nigeria or some other African countries they want to get your bank account number, that is their aim.
Beware of them!
Gyula

I was going to try to win this prize but only a mororn would make three OverUnity devices, out of his pocket and then send them to three OverUnity websites.

I see this guy patenting your information. Stefan is not shy about copyrighting any device he thinks will attain overunity.

So if it's for the benefit of All Mankind Stefan why do you copyright your designs?

I also think your rules suck and prove your a lazy idea thief. you want it to be working, at 50 watts model but a 2 watt motor that displayed 250 % overunity but made 5 watts (2 watts in 5 watts out )would be far more commercially valuable than a model that ran at 50 watts with 110 % OU ( 500 watts in for 550 watts out ) unless you chumped some other guy into making it and sending you the plans.


Nice Try!

Patent your ideas so parasites can't leech from your intellectual property rights

Hey Skorch13,
You sound like a noob...

This isn't about $$$.

If you value money more than your soul, you'll pave a nice little pathway to hell.

This whole this thing is about advancing technology so that everyone can access
the power of nature and not have to pay some FAT ASS utility unbelievable profits
just to get a light to read by and a hot burner to cook.

You must work for the utility company!

the "value" of the prize is not important. at least not yet. it would cost more to fulfill the requirements of winning the prize, than the prize would give you in return.
If the ammount gets high enough to cover the costs - i might persue that as an option. but as it stands, were i to accomplish construction of a working device::

It would be completely open source, and available to everyone on the forum.
not submitted secretly as a "prize entry".
Of course then i would only have to build ONE device, and everyone else would build their own replica.
Its not about the money - but making 3 of them to fit the prize requirements WOULD BE....
My ultimate goal would be to free mankind of the clutches our desire for energy has placed on us.

I think the important thing the OU Prize $ does is gets peoples attention. Brings them into this field of research.

I put another 300$ to the pot,

hey dudes sy do sg!  let's kick some ass

:D ;) :) :P :-[ 8) :o ;D

Quote from: Skorch13 on March 08, 2008, 04:49:52 PM

I was going to try to win this prize but only a mororn would make three OverUnity devices, out of his pocket and then send them to three OverUnity websites.

I see this guy patenting your information. Stefan is not shy about copyrighting any device he thinks will attain overunity.

So if it's for the benefit of All Mankind Stefan why do you copyright your designs?

I also think your rules suck and prove your a lazy idea thief. you want it to be working, at 50 watts model but a 2 watt motor that displayed 250 % overunity but made 5 watts (2 watts in 5 watts out )would be far more commercially valuable than a model that ran at 50 watts with 110 % OU ( 500 watts in for 550 watts out ) unless you chumped some other guy into making it and sending you the plans.


Nice Try!

Patent your ideas so parasites can't leech from your intellectual property rights

I am not copyrighting my own ideas, I post them freely here.

As the one, who has something working must first post the complete plans over here
openly and freely, nobody can patent the design, before it is sent to me for testing.

I will now make the price regulations even more easy to achive.
This will be in the next posting.

Regards, Stefan.

As many users have requested as the threshold level seems
too high for the prize to be won, I am now
changing the conditions.

1. You must just deliver 1 prototype, which is running.
2. You must be able to present a unit, that is delivering constantly 3 Watts of electrical DC power.
( Voltage and current ratio does not matter, but it should be less than 1000 Volts DC for handling it more safely.
so at 1000 Volts DC it should deliver at least constantly 3 mA, or at 100 Volts at least 30 mA or at 10 Volts at least 300 mA for instance)
3.The maintanence cost and energy generation cost must be not higher than 0.001Euros = 0.1 Eurocent or 0.0015 US$ = 0.15 US$cents
per KiloWatthour of energy.
4. The production cost of the device for parts must be in the range:
  3 Watts to  10 Watts range   = maxium 300 Euros or 450 US$ total device price for parts
11 Watts to 100 Watts range  = maximum 500 Euros or 750 US$ total device price for parts
100 Watts to 2 Kwatts range = maximum 1000 Euros or 1500 US$ total device price for parts

Labor costs to produce these units should not be higher than an additional 50 Euros or 75 US$ per device.

If you have such a unit and it produces at least 3 Watts of contineous free energy power indefinately,
just put all the construction details and diagrams first into a ZIP or RAR file and post it over here in this
category, so it is already open source, so nobody can apply for a patent anymore.
Then contact me and mail this unit to me for testing for a 3 months loan period, where
it will be tested for the contineous power output.
As the blueprints are already posted, other people can replicate it also
during this time period and can verify it for themself and help
the test-process confirm or non-confirm, so the testing period before the prize is
issued could also be reduced in time less than 3 months, if it is clear, that the device
really puts out this power indefinately with only a maintanance cost of
less or equal of  0.1 Eurocent or 0.15 US$cent  per KWatthour.

I will put this all into a PDF file probably tomorrow or the next 2 days
and post this again over here.
I hope, the people who are willing to donate to the prize money still agree to these
new terms, which could speed up to find a device that will free us from the current
energy production problems.


Regards, Stefan.

Still no good...

*Imagine*

Someone working half his life on some free energy.
Then he finds something that works....and he perfects the technology.
And then he is going to post it on the mail to some adress......in Germany.

Stefan, you don't get it.
The only time when you are going to recieve such OU device is when the inventor has his product line up and running and he has a thousant of prototypes so he can miss one....

Otherwise when he only has one primitive working model , he will want to hold on to it, which i totally understand.

Offcource this would be diffrent for a simple thing like a cap and two diodes...
I mean, when the device is easy to reconstruct.

M.

 ;D

Quote from: -[marco]- on March 23, 2008, 04:03:29 AM
Still no good...

*Imagine*

Someone working half his life on some free energy.
Then he finds something that works....and he perfects the technology.
And then he is going to post it on the mail to some adress......in Germany.

Hi Marco,
you have forgotten, that the inventor MUST first publish it, before sendingit to me
for testing.
This way all the people in the forum can replicate it instantly worldwide  and the secret is out already.

I will bring it also over here to the technical university of Berlin and let PHDs and Profs have a look at it
and verify it after I have tested it.

BTW, how do you like the new logo my girlfriend made on the homepage ?
Regards, Stefan.

logo on the front page?... i thought it was the schematic of the device that won the overunity prize, no wonder i couldnt get my replication to work ;):D

she's done a good job :)

Chad.

If you can produce 3 watts, you can produce whatever you'll need - just scale it up!!

So why the different prizes?

BTW: Doesn't James Randi offers one million dollar to anyone that can prove physics "beyond the possible"?
Ask him to show your device, but you'll probably be busted as all experiments is based on HIS conditions...

Good luck to you all.

Quote from: -[marco]- on March 23, 2008, 04:03:29 AM
Still no good...

*Imagine*

Someone working half his life on some free energy.
Then he finds something that works....and he perfects the technology.
And then he is going to post it on the mail to some adress......in Germany.

Stefan, you don't get it.
The only time when you are going to recieve such OU device is when the inventor has his product line up and running and he has a thousant of prototypes so he can miss one....

Otherwise when he only has one primitive working model , he will want to hold on to it, which i totally understand.

Offcource this would be diffrent for a simple thing like a cap and two diodes...
I mean, when the device is easy to reconstruct.

M.

Don't you get it? Stefan doesn't loose anything even by offering a one billion Eur reward to anyone that can make a OU device. There is plenty of believers out there, keeping such forum as this alive. Boosting those believers with a promising reward, is business to magnet-factories, gadget-factories - you name it. At the end, Stefan is the rich one with the advertising money in is hand... ;)

Vidar

Quote from: Low-Q on March 24, 2008, 07:04:32 PM
If you can produce 3 watts, you can produce whatever you'll need - just scale it up!!

So why the different prizes?

There are no different prizes !
Just read !

The device must be not more expensive to produce than these numbers above.

Quote

BTW: Doesn't James Randi offers one million dollar to anyone that can prove physics "beyond the possible"?
Ask him to show your device, but you'll probably be busted as all experiments is based on HIS conditions...

The problem with Randi is, that he would never pay the money...
although he would see some strange things..

Quote
Don't you get it? Stefan doesn't loose anything even by offering a one billion Eur reward to anyone that can make a OU device. There is plenty of believers out there, keeping such forum as this alive. Boosting those believers with a promising reward, is business to magnet-factories, gadget-factories - you name it. At the end, Stefan is the rich one with the advertising money in is hand... Wink

Vidar

Well, the ad money is not yet enough to finance more research.
I would love to begin work fulltime on this project and do an overunity research lab and foundation ,
but with this small ad money I am forced to do still other jobs...

Regards, Stefan.

For God's sake, Stefan: first and foremost, sort out the mess that Overunity.com has become.
It is unusable with dial up, and is fast becoming impossible to work with with broadband.

Paul.

Quote from: hartiberlin on March 25, 2008, 02:47:11 AM
The problem with Randi is, that he would never pay the money...
although he would see some strange things..

Well, Randi has actually shown where the money sits in a bank account.  Also, his open offer will convert to a binding legal contract upon succesful performance by an individual, so he could be sued if he does not perform.  The fact is, no one has performed successfully yet, so to say that he would not pay is just speculation.

In contrast, the overunity prize to date is just a collection of unsecured pledges.  I suspect that if the prize is ever given out, less than 20% of those unsecured pledges will convert to any real money.  I have worked in fundraising before, and that is the nature of pledges.  Here, it is even more problematic, because people are pledging money all across the globe, and there is little legal recourse.

Frankly, I feel that we should promote the Randi prize to inventors along with the Overunity prize.  Many people simply do not know about Randi's prize.

On another note, please get rid of the inline ads.  They are most most most annoying.  Ads on the perimeter of the screen are fine.

I think as a community we should value the status of being the first to give the ultimate gift, Obviously this may not work. I wonder how much Kohei Minatos fans cost by the three's.

Word, Ali G

Some have been interpreting this wrong
and thought there would be 3 different prizes.
That is not so.

There are only 3 different costs involved in the production cost for
the units delivering different Watts ranges.

Maybe an inventor would just produce a unit,
that can only deliver 3 Watts or he can come up
with a much better unit, already delivering 2 KWatts.

But it does not make sense, if a 2KWatts unit costs 45 US$ per Watt.
that would be 2000 x 45 US$= 90000 US$.
Too expensive for the average Joe...

Although a unit delivering just 3 Watts would be okay, if the production cost
would be 3 Watts x 45 US$ = 135  US$.


Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: Paul-R on March 25, 2008, 08:24:59 AM
For God's sake, Stefan: first and foremost, sort out the mess that Overunity.com has become.
It is unusable with dial up, and is fast becoming impossible to work with with broadband.

Paul.

For dialup you you can use the
PDA surface:
http://pda.overunity.com
Then it is much faster and without ads.

what, no trekky convention going on?After all these years of wishfull thinking and countless experiments,one would think by now,you people would figure out it's just a dream.Oh,but it must be the power company or the government keeping secrets of great power from us.Get real,if there was a way to make free energy,don't you think the power company would use it instead of spending millions to make electricity.Duh........but that's just my opinion,and everyone knows opinions are like assholes,everyone has one.

Quote from: morleysrt on March 27, 2008, 08:28:14 PM
what, no trekky convention going on?After all these years of wishfull thinking and countless experiments,one would think by now,you people would figure out it's just a dream.Oh,but it must be the power company or the government keeping secrets of great power from us.Get real,if there was a way to make free energy,don't you think the power company would use it instead of spending millions to make electricity.Duh........but that's just my opinion,and everyone knows opinions are like assholes,everyone has one.

watch this video, might change your mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0

Quote from: FreeEnergy on March 28, 2008, 02:15:03 AM

Quote from: morleysrt on March 27, 2008, 08:28:14 PM
what, no trekky convention going on?After all these years of wishfull thinking and countless experiments,one would think by now,you people would figure out it's just a dream.Oh,but it must be the power company or the government keeping secrets of great power from us.Get real,if there was a way to make free energy,don't you think the power company would use it instead of spending millions to make electricity.Duh........but that's just my opinion,and everyone knows opinions are like assholes,everyone has one.

watch this video, might change your mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0

FreeEnergy

That is a  good   video of Tesla ,  Thanks for  posting it.

In my opinion  though  it won't have any  effect on Morleysrt
Look  closely  at the attitude of his  post.
In my opinion    he has no  interest  in  anything in this  website,  other than  finding  someone to argue  with.
Do you  really have  time  to argue  with someone that is only here  to make fun of  other people ?


gary

Quote from: hartiberlin on March 27, 2008, 11:29:25 AM

Quote from: Paul-R on March 25, 2008, 08:24:59 AM
For God's sake, Stefan: first and foremost, sort out the mess that Overunity.com has become.
It is unusable with dial up, and is fast becoming impossible to work with with broadband.

Paul.

For dialup you you can use the
PDA surface:
http://pda.overunity.com
Then it is much faster and without ads.

I tried it, and it doesn't work.
Paul.

What browser do you use ?
With Firefox it does work.
Otherwise your TCP-IP Dialup stack is corrupted.
Try to reinstall it.

Quote from: one on March 28, 2008, 09:28:37 AM

Quote from: FreeEnergy on March 28, 2008, 02:15:03 AM

Quote from: morleysrt on March 27, 2008, 08:28:14 PM
what, no trekky convention going on?After all these years of wishfull thinking and countless experiments,one would think by now,you people would figure out it's just a dream.Oh,but it must be the power company or the government keeping secrets of great power from us.Get real,if there was a way to make free energy,don't you think the power company would use it instead of spending millions to make electricity.Duh........but that's just my opinion,and everyone knows opinions are like assholes,everyone has one.

watch this video, might change your mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0

FreeEnergy

That is a  good   video of Tesla ,  Thanks for  posting it.

In my opinion  though  it won't have any  effect on Morleysrt
Look  closely  at the attitude of his  post.
In my opinion    he has no  interest  in  anything in this  website,  other than  finding  someone to argue  with.
Do you  really have  time  to argue  with someone that is only here  to make fun of  other people ?


gary

That is as far as I'll go with this person. If that doesn't change his/her mind then too bad for him/her.  :P

Peace

Quote from: hartiberlin on March 30, 2008, 04:53:02 AM
What browser do you use ?
With Firefox it does work.
Otherwise your TCP-IP Dialup stack is corrupted.
Try to reinstall it.

My apologies - it does work. It takes you to a page with only one link. This is better:
http://www.overunity.com/?action=forum/wap2.html
But the real problem is that, with 3,900 threads, mostly useless,  this board
has become un-navigable. The "Last 300 posts" is the only way around, and
the above page does not give access to the last 300 posts.

Paul.

Quote from: FreeEnergy on March 31, 2008, 03:31:07 AM

Quote from: one on March 28, 2008, 09:28:37 AM

Quote from: FreeEnergy on March 28, 2008, 02:15:03 AM

Quote from: morleysrt on March 27, 2008, 08:28:14 PM
what, no trekky convention going on?After all these years of wishfull thinking and countless experiments,one would think by now,you people would figure out it's just a dream.Oh,but it must be the power company or the government keeping secrets of great power from us.Get real,if there was a way to make free energy,don't you think the power company would use it instead of spending millions to make electricity.Duh........but that's just my opinion,and everyone knows opinions are like assholes,everyone has one.

watch this video, might change your mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0

FreeEnergy

That is a  good   video of Tesla ,  Thanks for  posting it.

In my opinion  though  it won't have any  effect on Morleysrt
Look  closely  at the attitude of his  post.
In my opinion    he has no  interest  in  anything in this  website,  other than  finding  someone to argue  with.
Do you  really have  time  to argue  with someone that is only here  to make fun of  other people ?


gary

That is as far as I'll go with this person. If that doesn't change his/her mind then too bad for him/her.  :P

Peace

Most people assume that Physics says :
        "perpetual motion / Free Energy is impossible"

Nothing in physics states that. There are no laws of physics that prohibit energy from being extracted from an unknown source, and/or a device continiung to operate for longer than a human life-span without an explicit fuel-source. 

Most of these (false) assumptions are derrived from the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
Which states that "entropy occurs in an ISOLATED system"

The problem i have with this assumption is that: Mankind has NEVER invented an "isolated" system.
EVERY system we have/use/experiment-with is effectively altered by other systems, to some degree.

Therefore the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics DOES NOT APPLY to man-made systems.
---allowing for the "possibility" of perpetual motion and/or free energy
-i.e.- energy extracted from one system, for use in another.

There is energy all around us, it is illogical to think we are incapable of someday tapping into a previously unknown power-source.  It's only a matter of time, and ingenuity.

Great idea Stefan.

Dont you think you lower too much the picture requirements? It is very, very difficult to publish any picutes with any good quality to only 50k besides the difficulty of having the software to do it.

Would be possible to increase that bandwidth for at least good quality pictures, lets say 500k? Also the time-out when writting the messages is too short.

Fausto.

Hi Fausto,
just set the JPEG compression or quality settings just to 50 % in an 800x600
JPEG pic and mostly you will be lower than 50Kbytes.
This way also people with just dialup or GPRS PDAs will
benefit from the bigger compression and faster loading.
Sometimes also just a 40 % JPEG compression quality still
delivers nice and very readable pictures.

Run a small blurr filter across the picture, if too much noise
makes the JPEG file size too big before saving it..
ALso use enough light in your room,
when taking pictures, so they don?t get too noisy
or use the flash in your camera.

You can do this all very easily with the freeware program
www.irfanview.com

No need to have bigger pictures than 50 Kbytes.
Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

@hartiberlin,

Thank you for the explanation and the link to the software.

Fausto.

Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 31, 2008, 02:01:14 PM
Most of these (false) assumptions are derrived from the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
Which states that "entropy occurs in an ISOLATED system"
The problem i have with this assumption is that: Mankind has NEVER invented an "isolated" system.
EVERY system we have/use/experiment-with is effectively altered by other systems, to some degree.
Therefore the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics DOES NOT APPLY to man-made systems.

Replace "isolated" with "closed" and you are O.K. Petrol engines and gas turbines
are what the law's drafters had in mind. Without the second law, you wouldn't have
Pratt & Whitney - (unless they were making biscuits, I suppose).

The thing about new energy systems, and OU is that it is investigating new fields
that are not really understood, and not really provided for.

Quote from: Paul-R on April 04, 2008, 09:59:01 AM

Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 31, 2008, 02:01:14 PM
Most of these (false) assumptions are derrived from the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
Which states that "entropy occurs in an ISOLATED system"
The problem i have with this assumption is that: Mankind has NEVER invented an "isolated" system.
EVERY system we have/use/experiment-with is effectively altered by other systems, to some degree.
Therefore the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics DOES NOT APPLY to man-made systems.

Replace "isolated" with "closed" and you are O.K. Petrol engines and gas turbines
are what the law's drafters had in mind. Without the second law, you wouldn't have
Pratt & Whitney - (unless they were making biscuits, I suppose).

The thing about new energy systems, and OU is that it is investigating new fields
that are not really understood, and not really provided for.

what i am saying would still apply to an ICE, the difference here being , the ICE generates more heat than any surrounding system, and thus IT is the system effecting the others.

If you ran that same engine, inside say a volcanoe - there would be energy from the surrounding systems adding into the energy from fuel-combustion.

In the standard case, energy from the ICE transfers to the environment as Heat-Loss.

"closed" and "isolated" can mean the same thing in this sense. Not to mean a closed-loop necessarily. But closed from outside influence. Which never actually occurs.

Hi there-

I would just like to submit my device into the contest. Unfortunately, I do not have the resources to create a prototype. If I am unable to win based on that merit, then hopefully it may gain a little public exposure, and possibly serve as encouragement for others.

For anyone wondering, I did not originally release my design with the intentions of winning the contest (even though that would be really nice). I mainly released it because I am against patents, and that it will hopefully improve society as a whole.

I do not consider myself an inventor and I am not a scientist. My design is very simple in concept, and should be able to be easily understood by most laymen.

The device should theoretically be able to generate electricity any where on earth, 24hrs per day.

I have made a video to illustrate, here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be0vmwa9AAs

Cheers,
Stephen Pinker

Hi Stephen,
This is just converted Solar Energy.
It takes a lot of energy to heat water from 98 to 101 degrees Celsius.
You can only run this, when the sun shines..
so not at night..
so unfortunately no free energy system...

Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: Sepero on April 07, 2008, 03:08:44 AM
Hi there-

I would just like to submit my device into the contest. Unfortunately, I do not have the resources to create a prototype. If I am unable to win based on that merit, then hopefully it may gain a little public exposure, and possibly serve as encouragement for others.

For anyone wondering, I did not originally release my design with the intentions of winning the contest (even though that would be really nice). I mainly released it because I am against patents, and that it will hopefully improve society as a whole.

I do not consider myself an inventor and I am not a scientist. My design is very simple in concept, and should be able to be easily understood by most laymen.

The device should theoretically be able to generate electricity any where on earth, 24hrs per day.

I have made a video to illustrate, here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be0vmwa9AAs

Cheers,
Stephen Pinker

free energy is a self sustaining system with no external help. all the energy is coming from within the system itself.

your idea would work good in places that are mostly hot through out the year.

and yeah you could use other better liquids like alcohol, etc. also can use magnifying glass, mirrors etc.

still you are probably better off building a Stirling engine. google, youtube: stirling engine.

or maybe mix your idea with a Stirling engine, hmmm...


peace

Quote from: FreeEnergy on April 07, 2008, 02:44:12 PM

Quote from: Sepero on April 07, 2008, 03:08:44 AM
Hi there-

I would just like to submit my device into the contest. Unfortunately, I do not have the resources to create a prototype. If I am unable to win based on that merit, then hopefully it may gain a little public exposure, and possibly serve as encouragement for others.

For anyone wondering, I did not originally release my design with the intentions of winning the contest (even though that would be really nice). I mainly released it because I am against patents, and that it will hopefully improve society as a whole.

I do not consider myself an inventor and I am not a scientist. My design is very simple in concept, and should be able to be easily understood by most laymen.

The device should theoretically be able to generate electricity any where on earth, 24hrs per day.

I have made a video to illustrate, here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be0vmwa9AAs

Cheers,
Stephen Pinker

free energy is a self sustaining system with no external help. all the energy is coming from within the system itself.

your idea would work good in places that are mostly hot through out the year.

and yeah you could use other better liquids like alcohol, etc. also can use magnifying glass, mirrors etc.

still you are probably better off building a Stirling engine. google, youtube: stirling engine.

or maybe mix your idea with a Stirling engine, hmmm...


peace

Though what you guys are saying is intrinsically correct - i would like to point out that your objection is not based on the principal of energy extraction, but rather on the fact that sun does not shine continually.

Example: a working replica of Tesla's Radiant Energy Oscillator - would not recieve such objection.(because it operates continually) Even though the working principals are very similar to a solar conversion device.

Quote from: Paul-R on March 31, 2008, 10:01:41 AM
This is better:
http://www.overunity.com/?action=forum/wap2.html
But the real problem is that, with 3,900 threads, mostly useless,  this board
has become un-navigable. The "Last 300 posts" is the only way around, and
the above page does not give access to the last 300 posts.
Paul.

Stefan: Why does this link not include the last 300 posts, the only practical
way to navigate? Using this would reduce our bandwidth problems.

Much to my disadvantage....I didn't realize that this was a time sensitive sign in site....soo....needless to say....DONT spend two hours writing here....because if you don't have your settings set to keep you logged in....well...I just experience that it will all VANISH into cyber-land...without a trace.

So in VERY short....

Should I ever come forward with THE solution & creation of a Perpetual Energy device.  I would FIRST want to ensure the safety of the design, delivery and destination of the future attached to it.  There would NEED to be TRUTH & LOVE for Life & Living....WITHOUT GREED, taking, keeping concealed from the world or using it for controlling &/or overcharging its use....rather....In return for this Perpetual FREE Energy that can & WILL be utilized GLOBALLY.  I propose in utilizing ALL benefits of Fame & Fortune for introducing such an energy device to the world....to be held ANONYMOUSLY as the any individuals...instead of personal Fame & Fortune to be absorbed or kept for themselves...also risking the potentials of harm or danger also....since it can eliminate on a LARGE scale ANY need for such eco-un-logical destructive profit driven designs that are expensive & poorly efficient....keeping Consumer-ism thriving & binding....(aka....modern day slavery thru illusions & lies...or...half truths & distractions if you prefer) 

I would MAKE SURE to be 100% CONFIDENT that TRUTH & LOVE are the two #1 MOTIVES without Greed & Lies.  Creating a Perpetual GREED FOR GIVING.....creating a NON PROFIT CORPORATION that has a CONSTITUTION and DESIGN that will allow it to thrive-yet protected from allowing Greed in ANY form to enter into its operations.  Rather TRUTH & LOVE with everything that they include to the HIGHEST & smallest forms of it.  Using the continued profits & proceeds generated from the NON PROFIT CORPORATION that exists as a business...that has employee's who may just be there for a job....having a group of individuals that have a PROVEN PAST or PRESENT with helping life have a better & true living here on the Globe we ALL share....from the depths below dirt to the stars beyond our sky.

Perpetual Energy for Perpetual Giving.......

Thats the ONLY way I would.

Peace-Troy

P.S.....I'm excited & alive to begin finding "others" with a shared point of view & desires.  Agape' is the Love I refer to....not only person to person....but for EVERY LIVING BEING....now....before...yet to BE.

Quote from: Free4thinkin on April 20, 2008, 06:22:23 AM
Much to my disadvantage....I didn't realize that this was a time sensitive sign in site....soo....needless to say....DONT spend two hours writing here....because if you don't have your settings set to keep you logged in....well...I just experience that it will all VANISH into cyber-land...without a trace.

So in VERY short....

Should I ever come forward with THE solution & creation of a Perpetual Energy device.  I would FIRST want to ensure the safety of the design, delivery and destination of the future attached to it.  There would NEED to be TRUTH & LOVE for Life & Living....WITHOUT GREED, taking, keeping concealed from the world or using it for controlling &/or overcharging its use....rather....In return for this Perpetual FREE Energy that can & WILL be utilized GLOBALLY.  I propose in utilizing ALL benefits of Fame & Fortune for introducing such an energy device to the world....to be held ANONYMOUSLY as the any individuals...instead of personal Fame & Fortune to be absorbed or kept for themselves...also risking the potentials of harm or danger also....since it can eliminate on a LARGE scale ANY need for such eco-un-logical destructive profit driven designs that are expensive & poorly efficient....keeping Consumer-ism thriving & binding....(aka....modern day slavery thru illusions & lies...or...half truths & distractions if you prefer) 

I would MAKE SURE to be 100% CONFIDENT that TRUTH & LOVE are the two #1 MOTIVES without Greed & Lies.  Creating a Perpetual GREED FOR GIVING.....creating a NON PROFIT CORPORATION that has a CONSTITUTION and DESIGN that will allow it to thrive-yet protected from allowing Greed in ANY form to enter into its operations.  Rather TRUTH & LOVE with everything that they include to the HIGHEST & smallest forms of it.  Using the continued profits & proceeds generated from the NON PROFIT CORPORATION that exists as a business...that has employee's who may just be there for a job....having a group of individuals that have a PROVEN PAST or PRESENT with helping life have a better & true living here on the Globe we ALL share....from the depths below dirt to the stars beyond our sky.

Perpetual Energy for Perpetual Giving.......

Thats the ONLY way I would.

Peace-Troy

P.S.....I'm excited & alive to begin finding "others" with a shared point of view & desires.  Agape' is the Love I refer to....not only person to person....but for EVERY LIVING BEING....now....before...yet to BE.

Welcome Troy

Although I  don't  believe it is  possible  to  gaurentee  the  protection of  any idea ........  I  think you will find that there  are many here that  agree with  your basic  ideas.

Most of us   here  understand that  if we don't   find " free" energy  ........the  world  as we know it  will not last much longer .

I hope you  join  us  in our  quest .



gary 

Good Day Gary :-)

INDEED I have already been in pursuit of this quest...which has brought me here...a place where idea's and invention are shared without such a greed & policy factor.  I have been mapping out magnetic perpetual energy...at the infant-toddler stage...yet...so close!!!

Thank-U for the warm welcome...I agree...there is no such thing as a guarantee....although believe I would do my best in implimenting a strategy that would at least insure a wide scale awareness...that too...is in development...non-violent of course...you can't counter violence with violence...the message gets lost in the loss.  Anyhow...I'm sure this is nothing new for you to hear.  Thanks again & "May the FORCE be with You ALL!!!;-)"

Peace
Troy

wouldnt a free energy device get a Nobel prize?

@ gary --

i dont think most people realize that if we DO open a perpetual motion/free energy device to the general public. that the world "as we know it" will cease to exist......

Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 23, 2008, 12:38:42 AM
@ gary --

i dont think most people realize that if we DO open a perpetual motion/free energy device to the general public. that the world "as we know it" will cease to exist......

Smoky

I agree .........if  it  wouldn't  change things  there wouldn't be much reason to  work at it

gary

     Betya Westinghouse corporation would make lots and lots of money building tpu's and retrofitting neuclear power plants and tree burners.  The energy companies themselves are running out of product.  Even power mongers have children they love.   Greed is very easy to manipulate.

So this site comes out with a free energy device.......then it will have a bad virus....the info will be leaked/spread in a manner that will mislead anybody that was interested and another news storm created to throw attention away from this breakthrough .It will then become a conspiracy "theory"......scenario complete.Another scenario is device works and collapses economic system just by its existance since the whole money system is manipulated and this constitutes a death blow to the control system.By its collapse (money system)the control remains since business will halt so free energy will not readily spread when people are concerned with mere survival.The best outcome is this site produces a free energy device which is readily communicated and easily copied with off the shelf items.It spreads rapidly before it is recognised by the establishment but by then competitive forces have been engaged and an energy revollution results.Ihope the last senario is the outcome.....although we seem to have data corruption problems already.

  Madsprg


    It's a gamble but it's better then doing nothing.

a more likely scenerio:

a device comes out, and is replicated, and spreads through the world.
the energy giants collapse as a result. and the economy flourishes.
costs of products drop across the board resulting in a massive economic deflation.
cost of transportation, cost of goods, cost of shipping, ect.

everyone will have more expendible income, and therefore buy more products. and everyone benefits.

theres no economic "downside" to placing an extra gagillion dollars in the hands of the consumers.
instead of the people raping us for energy exchange.

please start a thread on the forevercar seen on youtube
or email me the link to the thread I'm still not used to this thread thing

Quote from: pcockriel on April 28, 2008, 01:29:36 AM
please start a thread on the forevercar seen on youtube
or email me the link to the thread I'm still not used to this thread thing

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4593.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4593.0.html)

here ya go.

Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 25, 2008, 09:28:03 PM
a more likely scenerio:

a device comes out, and is replicated, and spreads through the world.
the energy giants collapse as a result. and the economy flourishes.
costs of products drop across the board resulting in a massive economic deflation.
cost of transportation, cost of goods, cost of shipping, ect.

everyone will have more expendible income, and therefore buy more products. and everyone benefits.

theres no economic "downside" to placing an extra gagillion dollars in the hands of the consumers.
instead of the people raping us for energy exchange.

   Nice post!    If people have some confidence in the future they will spend.  You want to stop terror tactics feed the hungry so they don't get brainwashed by some religious fanatical bullshit artists.

sorry to those who think i ignore them, but i get little time betwee work, the wheel, the website and the mail, it's 3 am here now.

the experimant with the magnets is not accurate to what i said, he used two equal magnets, i used a small and very large one, try this the get two magnets the same and a container tape one magnet inside and fill with non magnetic material and use the small against it on the outside to pull until the field breaks, keep adding weight until this happens,..........now simply turn the magnet around and it will hit the container befor it moves it, the repulsion field is not as strong. You will also note i did say the field "are equal" which is why the movement test on the paper works like it does, but that does not show the break point or strength of the fields, merely that they are there.

As to Oak, well done. So i will at this point give you a main commponent from the download.

remember i am rebuilding a previous wheel, if you simply want to build the wheel for yourself to see if it works, it should take around a day tops. if you use the quick way (which would not be "re-building" if i were to do it)

Just make one arm !! it still turns the same, one axel.. eg pedastal fan motor two match lock nuts the size of the fan shaft, an ally or stanless plate with a single hole, and fix the arm to that, you can pull the guts out of the motor if you like and leave the bearings.

you never needed a generator, any disk set forward of the arms with a circle of coils, and a stand oppsosite with a cirlce of north south magnets will produce current in the coils, so there is no concern for frictio, from power generation, there never was.

I have to do it this way because it is replication of one that worked, to do the easy thing is just someone giving instructions for something that may work, and the reason the easy way will not be on the site.

As to the low friction remarks of the gold scales, 3 kg is above the weight of a rod, so you responded as in the example of how a newtonian would respond, saying it is low on one axel but not on the other.

it is funny they dont quote their own physics to know why this frictopn does not occur atop the axel.

it is egg physics, the reason you cant break one with your fingers end to end, and the reason arches are used to build bridges, and the reason a ball will float forever on a column of air sitting perfectly in the centre.    Because energy like all force finds the path of least resistance, and with a circle the is not one, and all weight is dispersed evenly out and also around the other side.the reason the ball does not just shoot up in the air, it is pulled down also, the friction is equal on all sides.

Back to bed.

To all:
  Isn't what you all are looking for is an electron pump? As opposed to an over unity motor, an electron pump uses all of the electrons from the air, ground, the table, eels. If the idea is to stay within the formula p=p, where do the excess electrons come from?  If I remember correctly this was Tesla's actual idea. If the idea is p<p, as output, then again where does the energy come from?

1000 EURO ??
You are kidding! Thats not even the material worth for a month development wasted!
Make 1 Million! That would be a better motivation!
???

Hmmmmm

pc

Quote from: pharao on May 25, 2008, 11:19:29 AM
1000 EURO ??
You are kidding! Thats not even the material worth for a month development wasted!
Make 1 Million! That would be a better motivation!
???

EUGENE HOLCOMB
USER: SHADOTRAK


I WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON THE PRIZE LOGO, DO I SUBMIT THE COMPLETED FILE TO YOU
USING THIS METHOD OR COULD I LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT IS READY TO BE SENT?

IF YOU OK THE LOGO, IN THE BASIC FORM I WILL ADD SOME BELLS AND WHISTLES.

THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW AT GENE@SHADOTRAK.COM (http://GENE@shadotrak.com)


BEST REGARDS,
GENE

I have an invention written out, in my best attempt at a, patent proposal form with some diagrams.  I am not well trained in mechanics and I don?t have much time or resources to put toward the invention, but I believe in it very much.  I have submitted the invention to a patent attorney but he strongly recommended that I build a prototype and get research data to support my ?indirect perpetual motion? claims, which would very likely be thrown out in a patent review. 
I am looking to find someone who has some level of mechanical skill and the time and resources to build and confirm the claims of my invention.  If it is proven to be the invention that we are seeking, my personal desire is to direct a (not yet established) ?International Robin Hood Foundation? that would receive as much of the proceeds as possible from private energy companies, and all other companies that are given permission to profit from the invention.  The mission of the foundation will be to meet the physical and educational needs of those who are in need, anywhere and everywhere. I believe this non-profit foundation would be much easier to operate with a patent for the invention, but individuals who build the invention or any variation of it, with the freely shared designs and plans (on OU.com, etc) would never be in harm of legal prosecution.  I would desire for patent proceeds which all go to the foundation only to be made off of those who are making a profit from the invention, not those who use it purely for personal consumption.   

I expect that someone can build a prototype for less then $200US in 2 or 3 weeks if they have some mechanical experience and a decent workshop.
   
Of course this would mean that I?m not able to enter the contest because I am not able to publicly disclosing the invention, but whoever builds the first working model, after sending me the significant data I need to submit the patent would then be able to enter the OU contest. 

I believe that contest rule 5 needs to be amended to allow my ?freely shared by individuals but proceeds going to charity? plan to be accepted:
5. Patented devices do not apply, cause we want a solution that has no rights yet on it and
which would be free to build by anyone. Commercial replications must pay at least
10 to 20 % license fees to charity organisations
or simular organisations, that "feed the world" and help the poor.
This should be watched by the community to verify that commercial builder companies
really pay these licenses to charity organisations. 

But this really isn?t about some contest, it?s about changing this fossil fueled, self-destructive earth in to something that every human is proud of, and can joyfully pass on to the next generation.

I expect that some of you understand my dilemma and would be willing to work with me under a non-disclosure agreement on a temporary basis.  This would actually create a form of checks and balances, in that whoever is working with me has the ability to break their agreement if I don?t fulfill my commitment once patents have been filed.

If you are interested in more info contact me at: jason713@gmail.com

I expect that the forum will be kept up to speed as much as possible on this invention.

Quote from: jason713 on June 02, 2008, 12:07:38 PM
I have an invention written out, in my best attempt at a, patent proposal form with some diagrams.  I am not well trained in mechanics and I don?t have much time or resources to put toward the invention, but I believe in it very much.  I have submitted the invention to a patent attorney but he strongly recommended that I build a prototype and get research data to support my ?indirect perpetual motion? claims, which would very likely be thrown out in a patent review. 
I am looking to find someone who has some level of mechanical skill and the time and resources to build and confirm the claims of my invention.  If it is proven to be the invention that we are seeking, my personal desire is to direct a (not yet established) ?International Robin Hood Foundation? that would receive as much of the proceeds as possible from private energy companies, and all other companies that are given permission to profit from the invention.  The mission of the foundation will be to meet the physical and educational needs of those who are in need, anywhere and everywhere. I believe this non-profit foundation would be much easier to operate with a patent for the invention, but individuals who build the invention or any variation of it, with the freely shared designs and plans (on OU.com, etc) would never be in harm of legal prosecution.  I would desire for patent proceeds which all go to the foundation only to be made off of those who are making a profit from the invention, not those who use it purely for personal consumption.   

I expect that someone can build a prototype for less then $200US in 2 or 3 weeks if they have some mechanical experience and a decent workshop.
   
Of course this would mean that I?m not able to enter the contest because I am not able to publicly disclosing the invention, but whoever builds the first working model, after sending me the significant data I need to submit the patent would then be able to enter the OU contest. 

I believe that contest rule 5 needs to be amended to allow my ?freely shared by individuals but proceeds going to charity? plan to be accepted:
5. Patented devices do not apply, cause we want a solution that has no rights yet on it and
which would be free to build by anyone. Commercial replications must pay at least
10 to 20 % license fees to charity organisations
or simular organisations, that "feed the world" and help the poor.
This should be watched by the community to verify that commercial builder companies
really pay these licenses to charity organisations. 

But this really isn?t about some contest, it?s about changing this fossil fueled, self-destructive earth in to something that every human is proud of, and can joyfully pass on to the next generation.

I expect that some of you understand my dilemma and would be willing to work with me under a non-disclosure agreement on a temporary basis.  This would actually create a form of checks and balances, in that whoever is working with me has the ability to break their agreement if I don?t fulfill my commitment once patents have been filed.

If you are interested in more info contact me at: jason713@gmail.com

I expect that the forum will be kept up to speed as much as possible on this invention.

.

Jason

If   you plan on getting a patant   you are on the wrong site.

This site is about  sharing  knowledge freely .


I think if  you  do your  homework  you  will see that  for   OU  devices  a patent is not the way to go .

One reason  is  that   the patent  office will not  give you    you a patent   if  you claim OU .   
In order to get a patent  through  without lots of  problems  you have to hide any  chance  of   OU

Another   reason is   the patent  doesn't actually  protect you  from  anything .   It just documents   your  ownership  of  the intelectual  property .  If  a big  company  wants to take  your idea ........there is nothing  you can  do about it unless  you   happen to have millions  laying around for legal fees .


Most of the people  here are working on OU not so much to make some money ....... Most of us  just want to give humanity  a fighting  chance .    The powers that  be seem to be focused on maximum  profit  no matter  how much  damage it does . 

I  am not saying  that  you should not try to make money  with your idea.
Once it is  out and proven   you could   manufacture  key pieces ........and  do consulting for  people that want  a piece of the action .




gary

http://www.ncbookz.com

i won this  money last year and then i was attacked   because i am an inventor and you guys are
denying  this  money tome
so i  am asking you  to send the money or  just quit pretending to give the money away

thanks

You are selling an OU device for under $40? I couldn't tell from the video how this works. I am skeptical, but willing to go one better. If indeed it is an OU device, I will send you $100. The only catch is that I need to see this working for myself. So however we can accomplish that, then I will send the money. PM me if you like.

Brad

Quote from: ncbookz on June 14, 2008, 08:26:57 PM
http://www.ncbookz.com

i won this  money last year and then i was attacked   because i am an inventor and you guys are
denying  this  money tome
so i  am asking you  to send the money or  just quit pretending to give the money away

thanks

First to win you need to send 3 machines that generate over 50W or free energy.

You cannot win because you have nothing. IF you have something that generate 50W or more then the input then send 3 devices or forget it.

@ncbookz


   Why do not you include in your info on your "free energy device"  that the power your get from the toroid windings is already metered from the wall outlet? 

Because you want us to believe the same current is free what we get from any normally used wall outlet in our homes?? 

You were here last year: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1933.msg38574.html#msg38574

Please stop hoaxing!

I'm pretty sure you "won" more by tricking people. If you are such a honest guy why do you have so many people against you. Maybe start by actually delivering this device to the people that paid you before running after the prize money.

Hi!

I found intresting idea to break laws of thermodynamic or as is in web page some kind of loophole of those. I don't know how usefull that example is but looks good (I'm not a professor). That loophole is something they call unbalanced processes and it is some how explained in web site www.supportco2free.com and there link challenge or something.

There is no copyright marks anywhere so my guess is at that example proses is under public...   ???

Perhaps the prize should go to this guy!
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Video/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-1)_full_video_presentation.wmv
(http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Video/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-1)_full_video_presentation.wmv)

If he want the prize he just need to send 3 overunity device...

Quote from: TheOne on June 26, 2008, 12:07:04 PM
If he want the prize he just need to send 3 overunity device...

Not forgetting that the patents he filed are to be made free to all...

The principle of the oscilations could be tested with other energy devices such as magnets and not just the use of gravity.

Quote from: PolyMatrix on June 26, 2008, 07:43:29 AM
Perhaps the prize should go to this guy!
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Video/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-1)_full_video_presentation.wmv
(http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Video/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-1)_full_video_presentation.wmv)

that device is NOT overunity.  i spend a great deal of time working that one out myself. It puts out almost exactly the energy placed into it. (slightly less in fact)

Quote from: sm0ky2 on June 26, 2008, 11:44:23 PM
that device is NOT overunity.  i spend a great deal of time working that one out myself. It puts out almost exactly the energy placed into it. (slightly less in fact)

Sure is a tricky one. I will have to trust your measurements aganist the measurements done by 'his' people.

Project Submission:
The new Gearturbine, power by barr, with retrodynamic dextrogiro vs levogiro effect, at non parasitic looses system, and over-unit engine. Details:
www.geocities.com/gearturbine

Quote from: retrodynamic on June 27, 2008, 01:56:24 PM
Project Submission:
The new Gearturbine, power by barr, with retrodynamic dextrogiro vs levogiro effect, at non parasitic looses system, and over-unit engine. Details:
www.geocities.com/gearturbine

Can you already show it selfrunning in a video without any external power input ?

Well Its a inside combustion retrodynamic (turbine) engine, and need external fuel.
When is (rotary) moving is working by his self. From the generator dynamo to create the power for the spark flame, the combustion coming from the centrifuga force, the compression etc...

And the video I show is an explination of the working steps of the device.

I have a PMM that works in PSpice, the simulation files of which are up at

www.mininova.org/com/1381965

Mucking around with the parameters I get as much as 627% efficiency. Isn't that funny? Someone told me to go to this forum because there was someone who was getting 'overunity' results with circuit sim software such as PSpice. I'd like it if someone with different, better software can simulate it for me because I have what I have and that's all I have and since it seems PSpice is hundreds of percent off, it must not be very good.

Hi everybody, sorry Im a clumsy bloger, but with the respect to you. Im gone to do my best.
More than 100% (101%) for logic is over-unit. But realy 85% more, less, it sounds good for me, realy.
The higher porcent for a device, than I know is the Pelton Weel, than is more than 90%, please tell me if Im correct or not. Or tell me from diferents devices, what are the top most higher in efficiency, in a X, Y, graphic position. :)

stephen contact me ....

i aint building...

but you can build it and prove it  ;D 8)

ist

ps how big is the check now MARCO

you can build this from junk!!

l8r

Quote from: innovation_station on July 14, 2008, 09:45:36 AM
stephen contact me ....

i aint building...

but you can build it and prove it  ;D 8)

ist

ps how big is the check now MARCO

you can build this from junk!!

l8r

So then why not build it YOURSELF! I keep failing at understanding why you just don't build it yourself instead of asking others.

Quote from: broli on July 14, 2008, 09:48:05 AM
So then why not build it YOURSELF! I keep failing at understanding why you just don't build it yourself instead of asking others.

maybe i have months ago....   only i will know ....

you build the damn thing

is it too hard for you?  it is extreamly simple...

this is the problem ...

read my past posts ....  im sure you will see what i have seen ... if not what can i say STUDY!!!!

ist

Hello

I dont want the prize I just want to contribute with some information I found about a permanent power supply. It is a permanent battery that this video gives hints about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNZNoNPI3hc   
And this link gives a pdf file on how to build it.
http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/electrinium.pdf

The only thing I need is a permanent power supply that gives 1.5 - 2.0volts to move a project.

Does anybody knows if this device has been made. Or where to buy an "Electrinium battery".
That is the name given to a permanent battery.

Jesus

Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 18, 2008, 12:45:29 PM
Hello
The only thing I need is a permanent power supply that gives 1.5 - 2.0volts to move a project.

The homopolar generator delivers low voltage and high amps. It might suit.
Paul.

Quote from: nievesoliveras on September 18, 2008, 12:45:29 PM
Hello

I dont want the prize I just want to contribute with some information I found about a permanent power supply. It is a permanent battery that this video gives hints about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNZNoNPI3hc   
And this link gives a pdf file on how to build it.
http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/electrinium.pdf

The only thing I need is a permanent power supply that gives 1.5 - 2.0volts to move a project.

Does anybody knows if this device has been made. Or where to buy an "Electrinium battery".
That is the name given to a permanent battery.

Jesus

Thanks  Jesus

We  already have  a topic on the  Electrinium battery
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5479.0.html

Not  much activity there  yet. only 4 posts .

I would like to see if the  concepts can be  addapted to other materials 

gary

Thank you gary I will check the url now.

Jesus

Hi All,
as there was nobody yet applying for the price and it seems
this  thread was too confusing, I now finally had the time to
write the PDF file with the conditions for theOverUnity Prize
and also reduced the contineous output power level
to just 1 Watt output power.

So here it is. The long awaited PDF file.

Go here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5707.0

Hi!

@hartiberlin
Those rules are great! That is a good job you are doing!
I will add $10.00 dollars to the prize. Just ask me when they are due.

Jesus

Hi,

what can you do with a device that produces 1 Watt ?

I thougt it is required to build a device with an output of 50 Watts  ?

50 Watts make sense to me, but 1 Watt... :-\

greetings

Hi felix.lamet

50 1watt devices = 50watts
we need OU to work no matter how small


cat

I second that opinon powercat ...

Nice setup with the new prize rules stephan.

Hi,
for those of you who did not have the ability to read the PDF file,
I am posting here the conditions  again:


Conditions to win the OverUnity Prize money
donated by the OverUnity.com admin Dipl.Ing. Stefan Hartmann
and some members of the OverUnity.com forum:

Here are the conditions, that will apply to win the prize money:

1.You need to build 2 working units, both must work the same, so to make sure, it is a replicateable device.
One device you must keep yourself for verification processes and the other device you must ship to me:

Stefan Hartmann, Keplerstr. 11 B, 10589 Berlin, Germany

for the testing and verification process.


2.Each  devices must not weight more than 20 Kg and at least put out
1 Watt of contineous electrical DC power.
( Voltage and current ratio does not matter, but it should be less than 1000 Volts DC for handling it more safely,
so at 1000 Volts DC it should deliver at least constantly 1 mA, or at 100 Volts at least 10 mA or at 10 Volts at least 100 mA for instance)
( Please rectify and buffer with a cap, if you just only have AC power, so please convert it to DC power for easier output power measurements)
If your device is more a mechanical or chemical ( e.g. rotational, electrolyis or cold fusion-type, etc. ) device,
you must build also into it the converter to get electrical DC power out of it, so it is producing at least a contineous
1 Watt of free electrical DC power without using any fuel other than water or air. Your device must not be
powered by an outside source, such as wind, solar or received radio energy and must work 24 hours / 7 days a week / 365 days per year long.
The output power must stay constant and must not fall down after some time.
It must only have a „fuel“ or „maintainance cost“ per year of less than
0.001 US$ = 0.1 UScent PER GENERATED KILOWATTHOUR
including "fuel-", repair-" and maintainance costs.


3.It can be powered by radioactive decay, but the used materials must not be harmfull and must be easy
to get in every city and must not be special parts which are difficult to get or hard to produce and must
not be highly dangerously radioactive or unlawfull to posess.
It also must not use any very expensive or forbidden and/or  banned
radioactive materials, which are hard to get for the average guy
and are dangerous to handle and pose a threat for the environment.

Also if it used water as the "fuel", it should not use more than 1 Liter
of normal tap water per day.

It also must not put out any dangerous pollution stuff and
must not be harmful to the environment.



4.A maximum of 4 x 9 Volts Batteries or accumulators or a maximum of
4 pieces D-cell type batteries or accumulators can be used in it. These batteries must only be used
as storage or start batteries and they must not have more than  20 Watthours (Voltage x Amphours)
of energy storage capacity.
They  must be declared and must not be hidden and battery lifetime and recharge time must be specified.

5.Battery life should be at least 3 years and to replace the batteries should not
cost more than 5 USD for all of the batteries (if batteries are at all used in the device)

6.Patented devices do not apply, cause we want a solution that has no rights yet on it and which would
be free to build by anyone. Commercial replications must pay at least 10 % license fees to charity
organisations or simular organisations, that "feed the world" and help the poor.
This should be watched by the community to verify that commercial builder companies really pay
these licenses to charity organisations.
The inventor who wants to patent his device should not apply for the Prize.


7.The inventor will get the prize money from me, if the device works at my home and will still work
after 3 months of time without dropping in output power level. 3 Months should be long enough
to study and verify the unit and also do extensive tests and measurements with it and first
replications would be then already available from the community.
The verification tests will be published widely all over the internet to spread quickly together
with the blueprints PDF File building instructions.


8.The device should not cost more than 300 US$ in parts- and material-costs to build and the inventor
must also supply a DOC or PDF file with pictures and building instructions and an explanation how he thinks that it works.
Labor costs to produce and build these units should not be higher than an additional 50 Euros or 75 US$ per device.

9.The inventor of the devices must build the 2 devices from his own money and loan one of these devices to me
( Stefan Hartmann)  for the 3 months test period and after this he can choose, if he wants to get the device
back or would like to sell the devices to me to keep for it for myself. ( the Prize-money would be reduced
then by 300 US$ costs if the inventor wants the device back)

10.The inventor needs to ship the device on his own costs to me. If he can supply convincing videos in advance
of the functioning of the device shipping charges to my address in Germany can be paid by me, if he is low on money.

11.If you have such a unit and it produces at least 1 Watt of contineous free energy power indefinately, just put
all the construction details and diagrams first into a ZIP or RAR file and post it at OverUnity.com in the
OverUnity Prize category, so it is already open source, so nobody can apply for a patent anymore.
Then contact me and mail this unit to me for testing for a 3 months loan period, where it will be tested for the contineous power output.
As the blueprints are by then  already posted, other people can replicate it also during this time period and can verify it for themself and help
the test-process confirm or non-confirm, so the testing period before the prize is issued could also be reduced in time less than 3 months,
if it is clear, that the device really puts out this power indefinately with only a maintanance cost of less or equal of  0.1 US$cent  per KWatthour.



Okay, these are the now fixed conditions to get the OverUnity Prize money.
The amount of money will rise, when more members are going to donate also
money into the Prize pot. The money will be hold by every single donator
himself, until me ( Stefan Hartmann) will publically announce the OverUnity Prize winner and then the other
donators should pay also their money to the winner on their own. So I will only hold my own money reserved for
the winner and do not have to handle other´s money.

Berlin, Germany on the  5th of Oktober 2008               Stefan Hartmann.

Reversion 1.0 ,  5th of Oktober 2008

Hi All,
I am adding another 250US$ to the Prize Money pot.

So my part is now 3750US$.


I have just calculated now the total of the Prize Money
with all the last donation claims of the users over here and here they are:


nievesoliveras      10   US$
vlpe               300  US$     
xpenzif      3500  US$
RedGuff      1365  US$
orionjf       300  US$
Danner      1000 US$
ResinRat2             100 US$
hartiberlin            3750 US$

=============================
total:       10325 US$


Anybody else want to give money to the inventor which comes
up with a at least 1 Watt free energy device and shares it with us all ?

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi,

I would be prepared to give $500 to the inventor who can meet all of the requirements you lay out in post#313 above.

Quote from: Yucca on October 05, 2008, 08:16:42 PM
Hi,

I would be prepared to give $500 to the inventor who can meet all of the requirements you lay out in post#313 above.

Many thanks user Yucca,


Now the Prize money is at:

10825 US$ total until now.

Anybody else want to join ?
Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.

Yucca               500  US$
nievesoliveras      10   US$
vlpe                   300  US$     
xpenzif            3500  US$
RedGuff           1365  US$
orionjf                300  US$
Danner             1000 US$
ResinRat2          100 US$
hartiberlin          3750 US$

=============================
total:               10825 US$

Stefan, it will have to be a lot more then that before I will turn it over but then agaibn, I think I have posted enough info already for everyone else to build one.  ;D

Quote from: nightlife on October 05, 2008, 09:25:31 PM
Stefan, it will have to be a lot more then that before I will turn it over but then agaibn, I think I have posted enough info already for everyone else to build one.  ;D

Nightlife,
where is it ?

Please post exact link to blueprints and build details of yours.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Sorry Stefan but I am not ready for show and tell yet.  ;D

stephan i will donate working plans on a big unit ....   

if you can find an inventor to abide by all that crap ....

ist

it wont be me

sorry

Hi All,
please only post here in this thread, if you want to
donate also money to the  OverUnity Prize pot
or if you apply to the Prize when you have a working
unit.

Please post other informations to other more related topics.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

I don't even need a prize for this...  I just want to destroy big oil.

Here's how you do it.  (it's kind of like hydrolysis in it's ease)  Put a copper rod in the Earth (it draws electrons out of the ground).  Heat some Iron (steel, etc.) in any way you see fit, i.e. solar power, geothermic, burning hydrogen.  Place a conductive (antenna) screen above the heated Iron, and place a lead on this screen to the positive lead of a battery (of any kind), and place the other lead into the Earth.  Your battery will receive a "quick charge", and that should fill up almost any battery almost instantaneously, depending on how hot the Iron is.

Don't thank me, thank Tesla.  Yes, this is probably patented, which is why we don't have them, because the elitists wouldn't be able to charge us for this.  But, they can't stop you from putting one of these in your backyard (of your own non-commercial design) and running your house/car/whatever with electrons you pulled from the Earth with a piece of warmed Iron.

God's speed to Earthlings harnessing their potential.

Hi dnbaudio, sounds interesting but a few questions if I may.  Is this copper attached to the iron or the screen, or is it just to be placed in the general vicinity?  Is the conductive screen attached to the iron (I'm assuming it is).  Also, it would be great if you could provide a quick diagram (even something in Paint would do) so that it can be easily replicated.

Thanks a lot for the post.

Cheers mate.
Ben.

Copper rod in general vicinity, and screen "hovering" above Iron (insulated supports of course).  You could attach the copper rod to the Iron, if you wanted to.  I just use the air-borne potential.  I'm still working on it, of course, but it works.

                                               __ ->battery
the diagram looks like this:  |      []         |                       (just a joke, but pretty accurate.)
                                               ^^^        v 

I honestly believe that if I provided a real diagram, I could be sued by Tesla's benefactors for patent infringement.

But, that didn't stop me from making one.  I power mine with solar (which has a net loss, of course), but if it was geothermic (or fire-based, in an emergency) it's an easy way to create an electric potential.  I hope this answers your question.

Quote from: Bennyboy on October 08, 2008, 11:07:19 PM
Hi dnbaudio, sounds interesting but a few questions if I may.  Is this copper attached to the iron or the screen, or is it just to be placed in the general vicinity?  Is the conductive screen attached to the iron (I'm assuming it is).  Also, it would be great if you could provide a quick diagram (even something in Paint would do) so that it can be easily replicated.

Thanks a lot for the post.

Cheers mate.
Ben.

Quote from: dnbaudio on October 08, 2008, 11:15:06 PM


I honestly believe that if I provided a real diagram, I could be sued by Tesla's benefactors for patent infringement.

I  don't  think there is  a chance of  Teslas  benefactors coming  after anyone.

Can you   tell  us  what patents  you think you might be infringing on? 

Quote

But, that didn't stop me from making one.  I power mine with solar (which has a net loss, of course), but if it was geothermic (or fire-based, in an emergency) it's an easy way to create an electric potential.  I hope this answers your question.

can  you  give us  some numbers?

How  hot  do you get the iron with your set up ?

How much  voltage and current  do you get? 

Or  ....... is this  a radiant  type of energy that can't be measured  with  conventional  equipment ?   
If so ......  what kinds of loads   have you  ran  with it ?



gary

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread400583/pg1

I thought you guys would eat this up.  Download the video before Google video takes it down, because you normally only get this on DVD.  Spread the word.

-dnb

Here's a diagram on the thing I was describing.

Quote from: dnbaudio on October 13, 2008, 11:08:48 AM
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread400583/pg1

I thought you guys would eat this up.  Download the video before Google video takes it down, because you normally only get this on DVD.  Spread the word.

-dnb

Still no numbers?

I am not understanding some of these rules for the overunity prize. First thing, I cant even figure out how to add the charity thing into the GPL. And second, if this is even possible to do, why is it okay to force any commercial uses to pay 20% to charities, and it's not okay to make them pay anything to the actual inventor?

I agree, those are some really good rules to help humanity, but come on now. If someone is to invent something to save the planet worth hundreds of billions of dollars, giving it away so someone else can come in, manufacture, make those billions, pay the charities, and the inventor is still sitting at home trying to figure out how to pay rent that month because the 10k overunity prize helped cover the expense of having the right to give it all away to everyone for free!

Can we at least allow the inventor a percentage here? I think it is only fair. Besides, I have read just about everything I could about the GPL, and honestly, I'm not even sure you ad the charity clause in it to begin with.

People who save a lot of money what they otherwise would have paid to the
utility bills should donate at least 1 month worth of utility bill money directly
to the inventor.

This way the inventor will also make lots of money.

I hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: hartiberlin on April 12, 2007, 10:42:26 PM
Correct


Hi,
but as it is public domain, not just only one company will make , but very many companies,
so the competition would be very high, which means there is not much margain in the
sales of these devices, so they would not profit too much.

Also we as the community could force these compaies to pay to charity and to the
inventor some royalities ,
otherwise we could make "bad mouth" campaign against the company,
that does not pay these royalities.

Also you could demand as the inventor from the average buyer, that he will
donate 1 month worth of utility bills of money to you and if only 10 % of the people,
who buy the device will do this, you will get massive money
and finally the fame to be the inventor who changed the world.
History will never forget you.
This alone would be the most thrilling incentive at least for me...

Regards, Stefan.

Hello Stefan, hello people. First, congratulation for your work.
Excuse my too bad english.
You're forgetting something very important. There is LAW.
In countries like Spain or Argentina, the law specifies clearly that it does not protect inventors, but REGISTRANTS. So, there is no way to prevent patenting of our work. Industry "open sourcing" does not exist at all, to the law in almost countries. And if other patents your work, forget it. No matters who invented. This is the hard true.

Greetings...

You need to spend some of this money straightening up this board before it breaks into
pieces, Stefan. Otherwise, someone else will, and everyone will flock to a service which
does not require you to download 200k to get 1k of value.
Paul.

Hello all,

@Stefan

I think youre joking!!!

1 Watt??? more out then in???

Come on, we can do it much better.

People, look at Jean Louis Naudins site and earn your money!!! In a fast and easy way,ha,ha. Or google JLN labs.

Otto

PS: I dont want a discussion.

Well, I'll have it done in time for February - however - I am not shipping anything to anyone, want to see must come to Fulda, Hessen - you see - you test - you happy you give me the price money - if you like, if not - fine too, I also cannot release any plans via GPL (although I would love to but my business partner(s) will kick my ass ... and so will my girlfriend). I can provide pics and video material with a generalized explanation but thats as far as I can go. :( Tell me if that works for the price money :)

Quote from: Paul-R on November 05, 2008, 06:53:09 AM
You need to spend some of this money straightening up this board before it breaks into
pieces, Stefan. Otherwise, someone else will, and everyone will flock to a service which
does not require you to download 200k to get 1k of value.
Paul.

Hi Paul,
you are already set for free as a test user to the no-ads membergroup,
so your overunity.com experience should be much faster now.

Please let us know, if you like it.
Many thanks.

Quote from: otto on November 05, 2008, 07:26:04 AM
Hello all,

@Stefan

I think youre joking!!!

1 Watt??? more out then in???

Come on, we can do it much better.

People, look at Jean Louis Naudins site and earn your money!!! In a fast and easy way,ha,ha. Or google JLN labs.

Otto

PS: I dont want a discussion.

Hi Otto,
if you succeed to make a device, that can run from its own energy
and still deliver 1 Watts extra, pleaselet us know.
Many thanks.

Quote from: peterpierre on December 03, 2008, 11:42:48 PM
Well, I'll have it done in time for February - however - I am not shipping anything to anyone, want to see must come to Fulda, Hessen - you see - you test - you happy you give me the price money - if you like, if not - fine too, I also cannot release any plans via GPL (although I would love to but my business partner(s) will kick my ass ... and so will my girlfriend). I can provide pics and video material with a generalized explanation but thats as far as I can go. :( Tell me if that works for the price money :)

Hi,
so what kind of device is it ?
What principle based of ?

Let me know and I could come ro Fulda in February and have a look at it and
measure it with my instruments.

Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: hartiberlin on December 04, 2008, 02:08:58 PM

Hi,
so what kind of device is it ?
What principle based of ?

Let me know and I could come ro Fulda in February and have a look at it and
measure it with my instruments.

Regards, Stefan.

Well, it would probably described as a Stan Meyer replica, however - for a change - so it happens to be actually a working one. I appreciate the low price requirements of 1 Watt continuous over unity output but this particular device puts out a whole lot more than just 1 Watt ... but I have another thread  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5805 ... where you actually can also see some pictures and yes the device was fully built here in Germany and mainly developed in Canada and the U.S. ... unter anderem - ich spreche, verstehe und schreibe auch Deutsch :)

Cheers,

Pete

P.S. I am leaving for Christmas and New Years to be with my Family in San Diego, CA .... so I won't be back until January the 15th but I am still reachable via email or the internet in general :)

stephen ....  come to CANADA  lol


test my stuff   lol  ;)


ill even give you  2 or 3 for FREE LOL

naw i dont want your money ....

ist :)

Quote from: innovation_station on December 04, 2008, 02:30:16 PM
stephen ....  come to CANADA  lol


test my stuff   lol  ;)


ill even give you  2 or 3 for FREE LOL

naw i dont want your money ....

ist :)

Oh, come to Canada, eh? LOL - Funny you should mention that ... interesting idea ... I used to live in Canada, hence my good English - although ... you'll find here and there the odd bad word or phrase. - damn - I keep forgetting that my spelling is in general better than the spelling of the average person born in Canada. Come to think I was really hoping that Stephen Harper would get his request in Ottawa denied today ... to bad, they shut down parliament for that sucker, he's like the biggest ass of them all ... no one should regard that one as a human even. So I am 1000% behind the coalition even if it involves the separatists from Quebec ... I do not really like them per-se but I would choose them any day over a Stephen Harper government. The Stephen Harper government is the reason why I am no longer in Canada, they got the runs from me being on in with the guys from Xogen ... or at least I was until those disappeared to places unknown and I was the one who was left over ... but do not worry what I did - I am not building it on Xogen's patent at all - I developed based on what I learned from the whole thing into my very own direction and it is indeed very different from what they had. What Xogen in Calgary had is something I can reproduce in a heartbeat and it really wasn't that spectacular at all. But that doesn't matter anymore since July 2005 ... I was kicked out of Canada in October 2006 ... yeah and I am not allowed to ever come back ... gee wonder why ... but even that doesn't matter anymore. I lived 3 and a half years in Toronto and the remaining 4 years I lived in Nanaimo on Vancouver Island ... so much bout me - peace over and out and just because I mention I am in Germany or I speak the language do not assume I have no clue about Canada or it's history - I probably know more about it than even you do.

Well Peter you are right on with the political comment. I agree 100% and couldn't of said it better. We have our own George Bush wannabe to deal with.

Sorry Stephan, I know this doesn't belong here but I had to comment.

Tim

Hello to all, Hello Stefan!

to Stefan: Wow! i was surprised to see how overunity.com is growed up and how many
interesting ideas and principles are concentrated here!
Congratulation!
I hope you remember me, (Helmut Göbkes magnetic motor)

I had some years full of business so i can work on my devices
only at a fractional of time i want to do....
Now i have a litte more time and i will work again on my device, because this was the one
wich shows the most interesting effect to me.
I have some new ideas on that device and discovered some errors i made, some years ago.... ;-((

With interest, i noticed your award on the first working FE device,
and i will spend some money for the award (how??) but i am shure,
that this award have **never** to be payed out because on the rules you made:

First: If anyone finds a device wich produces >50 Watts of FE Energy and can built three
devices on his own (speaks, it is relatively cheap...) , what will be happened if this
device is released under GPL? - Simple Answer: Energy companys will use the GPL information
and upsize this unit to megawatts and sell the energy freely produced to us....
The winner on that device is just the energy mafia.
Shure, each unit hold a plate with the name of the inventer on it, but
the inventer itself died poor.....

Second: The restriction to produce >50Watt of FE Energy.
If a Device is builtable at reliable cost and produces >50Watt of Energy,
we all must be absolutely blind the last 50..100 Years because such a big FE effect cannot be overseen....
In my (humble) opinion, e real existing FE effect will be small, mayby only fractions of a  percent,
but if this effect is real and proofed, upsizing and refining he effect will let us make a unit wich produces
a usable amount of energy - sometimes.
Let me give you an example: Otto Hahn discovered Nuclear Fission in 1938 on a small table in his Laboratory by finding some unusual rays and a fraction of a degree Celsius on temperature rise in his probe.
If he wants to have your award, he will fail, because he cannnot deliver >50 watts and a unit wich produces this power will be so expensive (not speaking from all other problems
of nuclear energy) that Otto Hahn itselft will be never (!) be able to built 3 units of  >50 Watts....
Nowadays, millions of megawatts of energy are produced with this small "Otto Hanh" Effect...
(i am absolutely not a nuclear fan, but this was good example :-))

As i said some years ago, a real existing FE / OU Effect will maybe just 0.001% OU but if this
effect is reliable and repeatable, the following discovery of this effect will bring us the energy
we are looking for.
In my (humble) opinion, units with a claimed OU of several hundered or thousands percent OU
are simply fakes and a real 0.001%OU is much better than a 1500% dreamed OU...... ;-))

Best greetings to all FE scientists,
let us search the small but real effects for a better world!

Helmut

Quote from: StarFire54 on December 22, 2008, 09:25:02 AM
Hello to all, Hello Stefan!

to Stefan: Wow! i was surprised to see how overunity.com is growed up and how many
interesting ideas and principles are concentrated here!
Congratulation!
I hope you remember me, (Helmut Göbkes magnetic motor)

I had some years full of business so i can work on my devices
only at a fractional of time i want to do....
Now i have a litte more time and i will work again on my device, because this was the one
wich shows the most interesting effect to me.
I have some new ideas on that device and discovered some errors i made, some years ago.... ;-((

With interest, i noticed your award on the first working FE device,
and i will spend some money for the award (how??) but i am shure,
that this award have **never** to be payed out because on the rules you made:

First: If anyone finds a device wich produces >50 Watts of FE Energy and can built three
devices on his own (speaks, it is relatively cheap...) , what will be happened if this
device is released under GPL? - Simple Answer: Energy companys will use the GPL information
and upsize this unit to megawatts and sell the energy freely produced to us....
The winner on that device is just the energy mafia.
Shure, each unit hold a plate with the name of the inventer on it, but
the inventer itself died poor.....

Second: The restriction to produce >50Watt of FE Energy.
If a Device is builtable at reliable cost and produces >50Watt of Energy,
we all must be absolutely blind the last 50..100 Years because such a big FE effect cannot be overseen....
In my (humble) opinion, e real existing FE effect will be small, mayby only fractions of a  percent,
but if this effect is real and proofed, upsizing and refining he effect will let us make a unit wich produces
a usable amount of energy - sometimes.
Let me give you an example: Otto Hahn discovered Nuclear Fission in 1938 on a small table in his Laboratory by finding some unusual rays and a fraction of a degree Celsius on temperature rise in his probe.
If he wants to have your award, he will fail, because he cannnot deliver >50 watts and a unit wich produces this power will be so expensive (not speaking from all other problems
of nuclear energy) that Otto Hahn itselft will be never (!) be able to built 3 units of  >50 Watts....
Nowadays, millions of megawatts of energy are produced with this small "Otto Hanh" Effect...
(i am absolutely not a nuclear fan, but this was good example :-))

As i said some years ago, a real existing FE / OU Effect will maybe just 0.001% OU but if this
effect is reliable and repeatable, the following discovery of this effect will bring us the energy
we are looking for.
In my (humble) opinion, units with a claimed OU of several hundered or thousands percent OU
are simply fakes and a real 0.001%OU is much better than a 1500% dreamed OU...... ;-))

Best greetings to all FE scientists,
let us search the small but real effects for a better world!

Helmut

You do remind me of my physics teacher you know?
Well, you are unmistakably one of those people who will do everything in oder to discourage people, play things down and spend an enormous time on finding an explanation as to why it can NOT work. You are one of those people we really do NOT need around when we do the development of our devices and you are definitely not the kind of person I would want present on a public demo of my device because you actually might be one of "Them". P.S. I am not doing it for the price money - but Stefan already knows that I would not agree to several of the terms he posted as conditions. He is welcome to come and have a look at the thing in February, if he thinks I proved my case he can give me the money if he don't he don't - beats me. So, back to you - Helmut - do yourself and (mostly) everybody else a BIG favor and keep your comments to yourself UNLESS they are comments which state "reasons why it actually might work" :) Ok?

Cheers,

Pete

PS

the game is long over  ::)

i know it works ....  i can and will explain how it works .... 

not in a public forum ....  sorry ...  lol

any how for all the non believers ......  enjoy where you are ? 

i find it funny i did all of it with pennies  lots of you have big dow and could not do it .......    thing is if i was not so set in my OLD WAYS ....  i would have seen this 2 weeks into my tpu research.... ::)

any how the here and the now .....

keep searching you will eventually figure it out..... 8)

ist


it ain't hard......


if you havent noticed it is all about learning ......   I'm not about to give anything  away i encourage people to play and learn this is what i have done to gain understanding into this phenomena

no im not selling anything ....   and what was offered for sale was intended to educate people however my kits are being removed from my page as i really dont have the time to do it right now...

The idea of a challenge/award to encourage people is good. Although there are still some issues with the present challenge/aware. You have to make two machines, mail to them off across the globe, all at your own expense, no?  And it sounds like you'll never get your machines back. And I see no limit to how long they can keep your machines. And do you blame them?  They want to be certain it's the "smoking gun," that you're not pulling a fast one before giving away their hard earned money. There are two sides to this.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with a challenge/prize unless the total cost for two machines and shipping was less than $50 because I would feel like I'm just throwing away 50 dollars while getting my hopes up. Rather, I would put 100% concentration on getting nearby people to replicate my machine. Knowing what I know today, I would stay clear of posting online a "smoking gun" machine that produced usable amounts of energy! That may upset a few people here. IMO, the real deal, a legit "smoking gun" may get a few people online replicating it, but if it's a machine that will give people around the world "free energy," then you'll get people at your back door step, and they aren't going to talk much.

There is nothing like a real live demo in person!!  They can hear your words, see your body language, get a good feel if you are lying to their face while you talk to them eye to eye. They can see the machine, at least know you built it.  They can pick up on your enthusiasm. You can assure them that you're not selling *anything* to them. If you take your machine in a public park or wherever you could demo it to thousands of people in a 19 hour day. You can hand out thousands of papers that describes how to replicate your machine in extreme detail, asking for people to help replicate and spread the word.

PL

Ok, here is how my version goes:

I am building 1 machine for now - however a second is in the works (only for backup purposes and as a "life insurance"), I am not shipping to nowhere, anyone who wants to see such device in action will unfortunately have to inconvenience himself to show up wherever the demo happens to be. GPL/Open Source? Not with me - just ain't going to be happening. I am more than generous giving advice and pointer in the right direction but I will not be "serving everyone free energy on a silver platter ready for consumption". If someone says that they do not want to recognize my work and achievements and I do not qualify for any price of any kind - then so be it. But I did invest a lot of money and time and research to make it happen and I do set the terms on which people can come and see the device in operation. All electronics and circuitry will be nicely packaged in non-transparent housings and all I will do is prove the actual concept that the machine runs entirely off the grid, makes it's own energy and produces a significant amount of excess energy (definitely more than 50W) - thats all I am obliged to prove. I am sorry if my device is a tad bit complex and will not be open source but this is just how it has to be - if you give people all the answers readily for free - they will start lacking appreciation for you and your efforts before you know it. I am speaking out of first hand experience.

That reminds me. I forgot to mention --> Once the designs how to build the machine has spread world wide, then you can make your billions of $. The "free" design is a simple design. You design version 1.1, which is a slightly improved version, perhaps better parts, or whatever, which will only be sale.

This v1.1 will be for sale. You get a patent or provisional patent. Most people around the world have zero intensions of making their own machine. They just want to buy it, have an electrician come out and start using it, period!

You will make more money then you could ever want. This greedy path will get you one place. It will get you 6 feet under the ground. I live an isolated life, have been threatened by far too many "thugs" to know better. People like to throw out the old joke, "Oh, the MIB's are going to get you."  Well, keep laughing and try to market a legit machine.

There's nothing wrong with be cautious. Such an inventor should think. Think about it for awhile.

Regards,
PL

I have this all thought out, but not typed. Some more details: On the paper that you will xerox and hand out to thousands of people should include text, at the end of the paper, that is in hexadecimal that contains your full name and address encrypted. That's your proof that you're the owner of the design.

I'm telling you people, this is the only way to get past "The Group."

PL

Here's a post on how to encrypt your text -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=95.0

@all

when OU works,  it will be on the internet

it's a matter of time,  stay tuned

KEEP FREE ENERGY   FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ;D


cat

Hi members, hi peterpierre

hmm - if you really have found the long searched untit wich produce free energy with high power
you will be the greatest man of the world, the best scientist, the guru of energy.
If not, you are just one-of-the-tousands who claims this the last 50 years but showed
just "black boxes" and sells "working plans" to "believers".
Not just one of this "intventions" are availabe up to now - all surpressed by
industry / governments ??? - hmmm.

Maybe the reason is just simpler - these units does not work as expected.

Any real research can only work if you allow pros AND cons - a discussison is always very
uneffective if you only allow pros and supress cons.

More effective in searching for clean energy is the way (as example) PaulLowrance
(and many others) does it.
He had an idea, think about it and discuss it (if you want)
- this is the way real inventions are done.
You do not want positive ideas born from productive discussions, you just want believers.

This award from Stefan is ONE way to bring things forward - and not a bad one!
Shure, i does not agree with some terms, but it is his award and therfore he makes the rules.
But i know Stefan good enough to know, that he is open to pros AND cons.

If anybody wants to go his own way - its ok, why not!

Now i just wait for the world wide press release of your FE Generator....

Helmut

I was not trying to fire at you (at least not on purpose), but I felt a negative vibe in your previous post in trying to tell everyone that such thing is not really possible and then trying to justify why it is not possible. What you said in your previous post is everything else "but constructive" thats the only reason why I reacted in that way and as to how I will handle the whole situation, well - that is still to be determined, I prefer to focus on the final touch-ups and the device than worrying about any price moneys or what people think or how to market it or what to do with it - those things I will be dealing with when I am done, until then it's just the device and me. Thank You :)

I don't mean to bud in a conversation, but just wanted to say peterpierre, I hope you succeed brother!  If you don't want to give away a cheap and simple version first, and want to try to market it, then lots of *luck*.  I just can't see it happening. Steorn is a company and they couldn't even get a pre-publicized demo to work. No offense to Steorn, but I had to laugh when they announce their demo. While in college I wrote antenna analysis software based on the NEC numerical analysis engine. So I know for fact that a high beamwidth yagi small microwave antenna with a simple 10KW microwave generator while pointed at the Orbo from an appreciably far distance could easily heat up their micro bearings. They had zero chance of succeeding. Now most think Steorn is a joke, a scam artist company. Their Africa pump failed as well. My friend, you think you can outwit "The Group?"  Man, you have no idea how much I wish that were true, just market the device and happily sell them to the world.  Sorry, but "Not Going To Happen!"  My method is one of the few methods that has a chance. Give away the first version, a cheap and simple version. Then sell a more complex better version.

For people who think the problem is because it's impossible to capture such energy, just go to website. For 12 months now I have challenged skeptics. My diode array, with no source of power beside natural ambient thermal energy, is producing a DC voltage across a load. I've challenged countless scientists to show the mathematics that a diode produces zero DC voltage from Johnson noise. They can't because the best conventional mathematics based on semiconductor physics, which is based on quantum physics (see my site for the math) clearly shows that a diode must rectify Johnson noise. Even the acclaimed Genius, Mike Englehardt, creator of LTspice, said that I'm correct, that the mathematics shows diodes rectify Johnson noise.  Even so, I have failed to find a reputable conventional scientist to analyze my diode array.

PL

The one who makes THIS work deserves the prize, in my humble opinion. It was already done by the egyptians, so it can be replicated:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6372.0;topicseen

Would anyone reveal a such device for that amount of money?

Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 22, 2008, 02:40:01 PM
I don't mean to bud in a conversation, but just wanted to say peterpierre, I hope you succeed brother!  If you don't want to give away a cheap and simple version first, and want to try to market it, then lots of *luck*.  I just can't see it happening. Steorn is a company and they couldn't even get a pre-publicized demo to work. No offense to Steorn, but I had to laugh when they announce their demo. While in college I wrote antenna analysis software based on the NEC numerical analysis engine. So I know for fact that a high beamwidth yagi small microwave antenna with a simple 10KW microwave generator while pointed at the Orbo from an appreciably far distance could easily heat up their micro bearings. They had zero chance of succeeding. Now most think Steorn is a joke, a scam artist company. Their Africa pump failed as well. My friend, you think you can outwit "The Group?"  Man, you have no idea how much I wish that were true, just market the device and happily sell them to the world.  Sorry, but "Not Going To Happen!"  My method is one of the few methods that has a chance. Give away the first version, a cheap and simple version. Then sell a more complex better version.

For people who think the problem is because it's impossible to capture such energy, just go to website. For 12 months now I have challenged skeptics. My diode array, with no source of power beside natural ambient thermal energy, is producing a DC voltage across a load. I've challenged countless scientists to show the mathematics that a diode produces zero DC voltage from Johnson noise. They can't because the best conventional mathematics based on semiconductor physics, which is based on quantum physics (see my site for the math) clearly shows that a diode must rectify Johnson noise. Even the acclaimed Genius, Mike Englehardt, creator of LTspice, said that I'm correct, that the mathematics shows diodes rectify Johnson noise.  Even so, I have failed to find a reputable conventional scientist to analyze my diode array.

PL

I was not questioning anyones views and beliefs nor will I ever do that, sure I am considering to release a simplified version of the device but even the larger version is so simple that a simplified version would be very easy to scale up, the only hurdle one would have to overcome is the cost of the materials needed and the cost of the machining of the unit - other than that it is a very straight forward system to begin with and the more one ges through the whole concept the more it also makes sense, it is a minor detail but it was either overlooked or deliberately left out of many instructional manuals, but I'll get to that. Dun worry guys nothing is lost - I'm still alive :)

peterpierre,

Sounds good. Is this a self-running "free energy" machine?

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 15, 2009, 05:55:29 PM
peterpierre,

Sounds good. Is this a self-running "free energy" machine?

PL

Actually it is :) Time has ran down ... I should have all the results complete by beginning next week :) Thursday is a big day :)

You're a braver man that I for announcing any such schedule. You've *never* been threatened??

Anyways, be safe, be smart, and please make sure you succeed.

PL

You got it ... I never was threatened nor was I ever offered anything extraordinary :) I think I will survive those remaining days just fine :) Everything is going to be ok - my main thanks go to the ones who did not believe me :) It does not matter it is time to rock the cradle :D We're on it and I'll go medieval on it's ass :P I don't care about the money - I do not care about recognition - we're all gonna die sooner or later but now is the time to make some serious changes :)

Quote from: peterpierre on January 20, 2009, 04:26:18 PMI should have all the results complete by beginning next week :) Thursday is a big day :)

We all look forward to see what happens before the end of this month.

PL

Quote from: peterpierre on January 20, 2009, 04:26:18 PM
Actually it is :) Time has ran down ... I should have all the results complete by beginning next week :) Thursday is a big day :)

We'll I'm excited. And I have much respect for your humbleness. Without reveling too much yet, is it electric or mechanical?

Quote from: broli on January 20, 2009, 07:01:39 PM
We'll I'm excited. And I have much respect for your humbleness. Without reveling too much yet, is it electric or mechanical?

It is electrical ... I might at the same time have delivered the proof that we have been betrayed by our electrical providers for many many years in the past but I'll leave that up to you guys to decide :)

So then here we are (at least where I live  ;D). Enlighten us!

My 2 cents, peterpierre, is to just keep it real, be blunt, and do what you believe is the right thing.  :)

PL

Quote from: peterpierre on January 20, 2009, 07:04:02 PM
It is electrical ... I might at the same time have delivered the proof that we have been betrayed by our electrical providers for many many years in the past but I'll leave that up to you guys to decide :)

Please tell me you have discovered that our current theory of electrical generating systems is wrong and it is a continually fed system not a closed system, and please tell me you have discovered some ionisation around your system.

I have been waiting a long time for others to discover this, by the way if any wants to start working on and playing with over unity energy the Joe cell works quite well.

Its like any hydrogen on demand system but is negatively charged, this excites the water molecules and drains electrons creating ions/plasma/HHO held stable in the water.

So far I have only doubled my fuel mileage but it is over unity.

Cheers all.
Scott.

If I owned such a device, why would I confess to it here, of all places?

There are those that convince and those that persuade.  Who has more power?

@jadaro2600

why wouldn't you free the world of energy bills,if you could.
KEEP FREE ENERGY   FREEEEEEEE ;D

cat

I agree with both jadaro2600 and powercat. Give the world "free energy," but don't fall for the common trap and just post it. Be smart. Be SAFE!!! Anyone who tries to post a confirmed "smoking gun" designs here may never see tomorrow. Here's what I would do if I had a confirmed self-running "free energy" machine -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=120.0

PL

For those who are worried about releasing their information because of suppression, understand that here and the other Open Source sites ARE the best places to do so. The below is of course not aimed at anyone here in particular: It is to convince inventors that the only chance they have of succeeding in getting their F-E device to market is to Open Source it.

Even if you are not a "believer" in the suppressions, could it hurt to take precautions?... Considering that no inventors have successfully gotten their F-E devices to market yet (even T. Henry Moray couldn't, and he had a long track record of many conventional inventions)... Are you confident that you are so much smarter and "better" that you won't fail where all the rest have?

> Every threat, buy-off, or especially murder leaves a trail. And "loose ends". The more people involved, the more loose ends. The more loose ends, the easier it is to expose the crimes. Exposure is more dangerous to them than seeing F-E devices on the market: They may then lose profits, but if exposed as criminals they could personally go to jail or face other serious repercussions (..like having their corporations boycotted and investigated until their stock loses all value and they go bankrupt). When hundreds of people all over the world become involved, it is way too dangerous for them to try any "hyjinks".

> Open Source is the method to defeat the military industrial complex from having the device "secretized" under obscure rules for "national security". According to Thomas Valone PhD, this has happened to over 3,000 patents submitted to the U.S. Patent Office (he is both a free energy advocate and a long-time Patent Office employee). The way to keep it from happening is to share the information on the device internationally and widely before they have a chance to get a gag order from the courts. According to Stan Meyer, this is the only thing that kept his hydroxy-related patents from being "secretized". 

> If you try to announce and go public alone without the help of the Open Source community, you will get defeated easily.. They use derision and denial to just ignore it.  But with 100 or more successful replications around the world to point to, it becomes nearly impossible to deny or deride... And too "dangerous" to suppress.

> If you allow Open Source engineers to replicate it, not only could they improve on it (free R&D), but their findings act as independent verifications. Every replicated device can be shown to local news outlets (less controlled than national news and more likely to feature it). If there are dozens of separate local news stories on these devices... It can not longer be ignored "safely". The millions of people who see or read these news reports will start writing letters to their government asking about it.

> You must stay away from investors who come to you with money for specific returns. This is one of their best tricks: Giving money with promises of returns by a certain date... So that when the device meets the impossible barriers that they throw at you when it is attempted to be marketed, then the shill investor gets to sue you or claim criminal fraud.. And you are suddenly thrown in jail, or the lawyers take everything. It is their last try when the threats, secretization, and/or buy-out methods fail. And it worked against Daniel Dingel and Paul Pantone. You can't give them any reasons to come at you legally.

> Don't let fear or legal threats of "Patent Infringement" stop you... No corporation in its right mind would allow a public legal trial where they had to admit that they were just sitting on an important invention that could have saved us from pollution and oil dependence !! They would be toast in no time if they did, and no jury would convict you. For F-E devices, patents are more of hindrance and a danger than a help.

> And despite Open Sourcing it, you are still the Inventor of Record... You will still get very rich ;) Whats more, your name will go down in History and you will be beloved my millions, if not billions of people (.. it is very probable that you will be getting laid A LOT, lol). 

Quote from: peterpierre on January 20, 2009, 04:26:18 PM
Actually it is :) Time has ran down ... I should have all the results complete by beginning next week :) Thursday is a big day :)

I'm soo curious. :))

Are you still there?

The method I've outlined is the open-source method and uses a different medium to initiate the open-source designs other than "free energy" forums. If you pop on this or other "free energy" forums and post the first legit confirmed (at least by yourself) self-running machine, then there's a realistic chance it and you will never see the light of day. Why take the chance of first submitting your stuff at these forums, including my forum, when these forums are the best places to be monitored!!!

At my forum I've detailed a guaranteed method. In just one sentence, it's to make hundreds of copies of DVD's containing a demo of your machine with all the details. A 100 pack DVD is $14. It would take you practically no time to hand them out to college students. I would buy about a 1000 DVD's. Tell each person that you're going to demo the machine live at a certain time and location. Just prior to the demo, you could hit the forums if you want, but don't mention the live demo, lol. There's nothing like a live demo.

Anyhow, I predicted that if a legit confirmed self-running machine were to be posted here, that it would be ignored, and probably even immediately deleted. People are followers. If 99% of these people ignore something, then legit people will ignore it. That's how you control something, mass majority. This and all other forums would be the last place I would post a confirmed "smoking gun."

When I first entered the "free energy" community, I always thought it was odd how the message was "Just build it!"  when I knew it was a fake design. And the second message is, "Post it here! Open-source."  Open-source *is* the way, but be smart and post it last because this and other "free energy" forums would be the places to monitor for a "smoking gun!!!"

PL

Forgot to add that there's nothing comparable to a live in-person demo. People are accustom to reading body language, which is why there's nothing more convincing then showing them a live demo, and then looking at them straight eye to eye and telling them this is legit, a "free energy" machine, no tricks, no lies, no scam, you're not selling anything to them, that you first want to make sure that this technology gets out to the world, and then and only then when it's proven will you sell a version for people who just want to buy it.

They can monitor these forums, but they can't monitor every park and location in the world. That's how we beat them!!! For once lets do it right!

PL

Paul your suggestion that a working F-E device would be ignored by the Open Source people is hard to understand. For instance, take Thane Heins' thread, or Gotoluc's water spark threads. They were certainly not ignored!

And to suggest that something would be deleted here because it was "too good" is a little over the top: I'm willing to bet that you have nothing to back that up with. You are suggesting that a site dedicated to free energy advancement is actually part of the suppression. That supposes that the intent is to channel people here instead of somewhere else, where they really could learn something. But there are lots of other places to go (..where we can hear the wildest possible stories), and no one is stopping us from accessing them. 

Most people in the free energy arena have a differing opinion. Many think the suppression thingie is over-blown and highly-exaggerated anyway: You are taking the other direction ;)

I agree that creating CD's to hand-out is a worthwhile task. However getting the info into the right hands is tough. Truckers would be an excellent way to get it spread around quickly (passing them out at truck stops), and they would benefit very much from F-E technology so there is a built-in interest. But there must be internet presence to back-up the CD's... And a place for the potential replicating home engineers to share knowledge. These Open Source sites are far from perfect ;) But they are what we have, and could be adequate for the job.

Students on the other hand are more problematical for getting the word out. For one thing, imo it is unwise for many students to push F-E too hard: They could get flunked. For this reason i do not like to suggest that students pressure their instructors to study F-E, as once they get the sheepskin they are free to do as they like... But beforehand they are completely at the mercy of academia. They can feel-out their profs to see their attitudes, but if it seems they are closed-minded and resentful to having their core-beliefs challenged (as many are), the student should not attempt to push it... Get the degree first! Then go off the reservation, lol.

Certainly one-on-one is often best for convincing a person. But for reaching millions to let them know the technology exists in the first place, nothing beats the internet ;) It lends itself to more credibility, as anyone can get on here and debunk (as they often do lol). And we can see the opinions of hundreds if not thousands of peeps... And not have to rely on the word of just one person. 

@PL

Hi,

A am a "Newbie" in this forum and because of this,
the OpenSource-Community may allow me some simple, maybe stupid questions.

1. What exactly is the essence of tenthousands of posts and threads?
Nobody "Newbie" can read all this in order to "filter" valueable information.
Lots of threads starting with an good Idea or Concept,
getting mixed offtoppic with different good ideas and ending up almost in nothing because the originator
was tired of arguing or even offended and maybe suppressed.
Some of the good people having their own forums now.
Do they have reached OU? And we just dont know.

2. If there is no OU here, do we have at least any other insightful findings in the community?
So if we do not have OverUnity, is there at least any "NearToUnity"? Maybe some 99% effective Motor or Generator?
i.E. I do always read about the "sticky point" on MagnetMotors.
So why not overcome it with a Coil/SolarCell or an 99% electromotor or "jule-thief" or such?
Everything is better than the 160years old combustion engine.

3. Where are working prototypes?
Dont you think, instead of spreading "Words" and "DVDs",
a promised working concept would have much more impact, if it is distributed as a small working model?
As an investor, i would not having problems, to pay a fair amount for that.
I would not pay a dime for another book or another DVD which probably is stealing my precious lifetime.
i.E. Look at "magnacoaster". Why is he not selling small "table units" with 500 Watts?
Im shure, i could have sold thousands so far. If I can verify something in its smallest scale, I'll pay much more for the real thing.

I do have more stupid questions, but I dont want to bother you with all of them at once.

*smile*

Quote from: jibbguy on January 31, 2009, 02:26:44 PMFor instance, take Thane Hine's thread, or Gotoluc's water spark threads. They were certainly not ignored!

Thane does not have a *self-running* machine.

Obviously any group that's does not want global "free energy" would heavily monitor the "free energy" forums. If you want to be certain, then "free energy" forums should be the last place to post a confirmed self-running machine. There's nothing wrong with letting the inventor spend a few hours first handing out the DVD's and then post the machine design details on "free energy" forums.

PL

Listen, there's no misunderstanding what we are talking about here and that at present there are no published replication details of a self-running machine. I'm not talking about a machine that requires massive car batteries to run and that produces milliwatts and requires years to see if it produces more power than the batteries. I'm talking about a machine that is obviously a self-running "free energy" machine.

Such a machine doesn't need people to confirm it. If a person has such a machine, and they're going to play around by posting it here and there waiting for people to tell them that their 1KW output machine that is running by itself is a thumbs up, then forget it. Sorry, but that person is dumb to take such a chance.

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on January 31, 2009, 02:45:59 PM
Listen, there's no misunderstanding what we are talking about here and that at present there are no published replication details of a self-running machine. I'm not talking about a machine that requires massive car batteries to run and that produces milliwatts and requires years to see if it produces more power than the batteries. I'm talking about a machine that is obviously a self-running "free energy" machine.

Such a machine doesn't need people to confirm it. If a person has such a machine, and they're going to play around by posting it here and there waiting for people to tell them that their 1KW output machine that is running by itself is a thumbs up, then forget it. Sorry, but that person is dumb to take such a chance.

PL

I agree with all of you :) Sorry for being sparse but I have been real busy especially these last few days :) Anyways - does all of above mean that if these boards are heavily monitored that "they" are watching me? LOL ... well - good news is, I am well and alive - even thus far and have never been approached by anybody to keep my trap shut or to buy me out so I think no one anymore really cares or they are to retarded to find me - maybe also because I am not using my real name :) or I am just plain retardedly lucky - maybe I also give an impression that I am just blowing a whole lot of hot air and that I could not possibly ever built such thing and if that it most likely won't work ... I don't know but I have not noticed anything unusual around me ... or maybe they will wait til my next visit in the US and wait for me at the Airport .... I dunno ... should I be worried?

Quote from: peterpierre on January 31, 2009, 03:01:44 PMshould I be worried?

If you have a machine that could provide endless mobile power for just a one time cost of the machine, then you better believe you should be both worried and excited.

PL

You are right,

but silly as I am to follow magnacoaster or ThaneHeins stuff,
for me it would be great "Overunity" if I could power my house for one year with two "AA" Batteries.
That would be a nice side effect of the quest for "true" Overunity.
Thanes work and attitude is great. I like him.
magnacoaster is maybe ether a fraud or just on the wrong road looking
for big $$ instead of making this a better world.

Quote from: peterpierre on January 31, 2009, 03:01:44 PM
.... I dunno ... should I be worried?

Pleeeeeezzzz send me one, before THEY come and catch you or you get totally insane by paranoia.*g*

Quote from: powercat on January 31, 2009, 07:16:48 AM
@jadaro2600

why wouldn't you free the world of energy bills,if you could.
KEEP FREE ENERGY   FREEEEEEEE ;D

cat

Stumbling upon a free energy machine is going to be like lighting up a joint in a police station, as US police station.  Since I reside here in the US, and their corporation control most every aspect of energy consumption and production, then it stand to reason that a large part of the economy is governed by it's economic stability; If i were to releasse some sort of free energy device, the economy might realize that it has no ground to stand on, and thus, an imment economic collapse would be there - not that it isn't already.

There are two things that I belive are a sign of the end of the world:
THe legalization of marjiuana,
and a discovery of a free energy machine.

Both of these things would mean and end to logic and sustenance respectively.

OUr woulrd economy coulnd't handle a bunch of scared oil barron's thinking their cash flow is going to cease - i was under the impression that the recent rise in oild prices was as a result of an immenent revelation in energy - and then there's this economic depression.  for 6 to 7 year the energy producing nation and corporations of the world have sat around collect record-breaking profits; don't you find this a bit suspicious, as if they've been warned about an FE machine.

Such a machine would need a transition - it would probably be a radical change from what we normally use - hence, it would cause economic trauma - more so than currently.

I'm not speaking against free energy, I'm speaking against idiocy.

There's also the chance that such a free energy device may have an inherent danger built into it that goes undiscovered until it's too late - like the production of radioactivity, or perhaps it collapses the earth's magnetic field around it causing earthquakes, or maybe it tares a hole in the ionosphere above it causing other previously existing technologies to fail.

The idea reminds me of those news stories about meth labs exploding.

@jadaro2600

Are you serious?

Dont you realize, that the USA already has an economic desaster?
Much to much are depending on credits which could never be payed back...

What, if somebody outside the US will pop up with some alternative source of energy?
Of course, that will have an great impact on stock-market and the oil-burning industry.
Oil is not just driving big-block-muscle-cars an tanks.
Every barrell contains medicine, food, clothing, plastics,...... time to stop burning it.

Quote from: sushimoto on February 01, 2009, 07:46:38 PM
@jadaro2600

Are you serious?

Dont you realize, that the USA already has an economic desaster?
Much to much are depending on credits which could never be payed back...

What, if somebody outside the US will pop up with some alternative source of energy?
Of course, that will have an great impact on stock-market and the oil-burning industry.
Oil is not just driving big-block-muscle-cars an tanks.
Every barrell contains medicine, food, clothing, plastics,...... time to stop burning it.

I suppose you're right, we DO have an economic crisis on our hands.

Consider the intellectual property situation in China.  if a free energy device comes from anywhere, it's most likely going to come from there.  And I expect that there will be a war because China isn't being very forthcoming with the enforecement of WIPO law.  This is exactly what the cartels want - more war, more profit, while they sit in their dumb bases and tax sheltered isolated panic rooms.

A free energy device would actually decrease the demand for oil over the long run and make it more appealing as a production mechanism for plastics and other materials.  There's a lot more to oil than just gasoline and lubrication.  A decreased over-all price would mean a higher yield on research due to lower costs - at current stance, there is a high price because of demand pull in multiple directions.

You can also consider the ramification of the industry with regard to China and the US in terms of the steel industry.  Production here has practically been susidized as a result of China's increased production of steel.

Some time ago I sat in on a lecture about poor quality steel SAE certified parts coming from china, apparently they were put on some US made rocket being put into space and the steel bolts failed because of poor quality control, and of all things a Lead content in excess of standards- Lead! ..again with china and the Lead!

This is all, of course, changing the topic, the real prize for an OU device isn't going to be worth it - sure, it's a perk, but the people who would suffer for a time ...  my point is, nearly the entirety of this forums should fall under the category of half-baked ideas.  People don't use their abilities to audit themselves once they have a good thing going - post a collection of information in the uploads section and go tell it on the mountain - open source, eventually you may get more than just the OU prize, you may get something even better.

My fear is that something much worse will come if it shortly after - a time of great tribulation followed by a time of suffering; I blame it all on the nature of homeostasis.

Over unity is an idea of boundless free energy, the rest of the logical world with fixed currencies, borders, rights being trumped one over another, and other such limitations pose quite an opposite to what is currently in practice.

Have you ever stopped to think that there might already be an over unity device, that it could already be in use and powering your house right now - if it were a nationally guarded secret, you'd never have access to it - and given the state of internal affairs right now, if you found out about it, you'd likely be thrown in jail.

You should all consider free energy o looser in an energy a coup in the making circa the oil crisis of the 60 - 70's.

Surely, if someone patented a way around it, it would become a national secret; there would be no surprises if the inventor vanished.  The patent office is slow, even to publish applications; most likely for this reason alone.

...and they take your 'protection' money.

Anyone economist who knows anything will tell you that economies *always* adapt to change. The economy would quickly adapt to global "free energy."  "Free energy" would open up an unimaginable amount of new fields. "Free energy" would eventually cause an rise in economy.

My "free energy" designs are 100% safe. It's a transformer made of ordinary materials. The energy is ambient thermal energy that exists in all mater all the time. In fact, such "free energy" machines would be far safer than any non-green energy. Oil and nuclear energy *adds* heat to Earth. My designs merely *move* ambient thermal energy. There would be NO adding or removal of any energy on the planet. It would be the best green reusable clean energy source.

IMO people are too smart for scare tactics now.

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 01, 2009, 11:38:59 PM
Anyone economist who knows anything will tell you that economies *always* adapt to change. The economy would quickly adapt to global "free energy."  "Free energy" would open up an unimaginable amount of new fields. "Free energy" would eventually cause an rise in economy.

My "free energy" designs are 100% safe. It's a transformer made of ordinary materials. The energy is ambient thermal energy that exists in all mater all the time. In fact, such "free energy" machines would be far safer than any non-green energy. Oil and nuclear energy *adds* heat to Earth. My designs merely *move* ambient thermal energy. There would be NO adding or removal of any energy on the planet. It would be the best green reusable clean energy source.

IMO people are too smart for scare tactics now.

PL

Safety is our first concern.

Quote from: jadaro2600 on February 01, 2009, 08:10:33 PM
I suppose you're right, we DO have an economic crisis on our hands.

<SNIP>
This is all, of course, changing the topic, the real prize for an OU device isn't going to be worth it - sure, it's a perk, but the people who would suffer for a time ...  my point is, nearly the entirety of this forums should fall under the category of half-baked ideas. 

You are right, thats obvious. But look at the older threads.
Some of the most promising concepts and projects suddenly stopped and went hidden, leaving it "half baked" to the public.
Why that? Is this Community not able to concentrate and follow one concept?
I would really like to work through all of them and ask "Where is the conclusion?"

Quote
People don't use their abilities to audit themselves once they have a good thing going - post a collection of information in the uploads section and go tell it on the mountain - open source, eventually you may get more than just the OU prize, you may get something even better.

<SNIP>
You may get a better World? Absolutely!
How many people worldwide dont even have electricity? 2 billion?
Ghandi did not ask for any Prize, Fame or $$$. Maybe there will be a OU-Ghandi on the hill? Hopefully.

Quote
Have you ever stopped to think that there might already be an over unity device, that it could already be in use and powering your house right now - if it were a nationally guarded secret, you'd never have access to it - and given the state of internal affairs right now, if you found out about it, you'd likely be thrown in jail.

Conspiration theories, vanishing inventors, and suppression is almost coming from the USA and therefore american people are mostly scared.
i.E. If the Mathernika is real, would anybody bomb their village in Linden/Swizerland?
Maybe there is another "positive" conspiration group; Like the OU-Templer. People which are already using free energy in secret places.

@PL
Agree. Time is right.
Information can be spreaded fast enough via the internet. The internet is our hill to cry out loud.
No way for NSA or CIA or such to kill somebody in front of a patent office.
No way for scare tactics.

Quote
Safety is our first concern.

There is no safety aspect on people experimenting with magnets and DIY-stuff.
I would rather be scared about what CERN is doing.
... Trying to play with antimatter and black holes.
CERN is starting 2012 again. I cannot follow what they are really doing, but it sounds really dangerous.

Quote from: sushimoto on February 02, 2009, 09:47:44 AM
Some of the most promising concepts and projects suddenly stopped and went hidden, leaving it "half baked" to the public.
Why that? Is this Community not able to concentrate and follow one concept?

Is that true? If so then it's a day to celebrate because then and only then will someone have a chance at getting the "grand smoking gun" (a self-running "free energy" machine that produces usable amounts of power) into public hands.

Quote from: sushimoto on February 02, 2009, 09:47:44 AM@PL
No way for NSA or CIA or such to kill somebody in front of a patent office.

I would predict the person wouldn't even make it to the patent office.

Quote from: sushimoto on February 02, 2009, 09:47:44 AMNo way for scare tactics.

Already done!  They've tried scare tactics on me and countless others from Bruce DePalma to Bedini.



PL

Quote from: jadaro2600 on February 02, 2009, 08:15:18 AMSafety is our first concern.

Sure, if the "free energy" machine is working with nuclear stuff. I'm not. I'm working with diodes and common transformers.  Like the other guy said, CERN is the concern for safety. A recent analysis from conventional physicist who specialize in quantum physics have said that the lifespan of these particles is far longer than previously predicted. A lot of models are clearly showing that the micro blackhole could survive. One model places a 1 in 8 chance of the Earth being destroyed. And even if the Earth survived, the particle would travel out in space and destroy countless other solar systems. We should be concerned about that.

PL

If anyone has been specifically threatened or suppressed in any way i suggest they tell us all about it: Details, dates, general locations, descriptions, and anything else that would help get the news out credibly. There are over 15 million peeps in America alone who regularly surf internet political blogs. If i believe you, i will personally see that the news gets spread around to most of these blogs... Believe me, the interest will be there, what has been lacking is people willing to come forward to relate their experiences. This is the way to nullify the threat, and the way to defeat them.

Everyone who has failed in the past did so because they tried to keep the stuff secret, tried to go it alone to get the maximum money, fame, whatever: Thus it was easy to get rid of them with one tactic or another. When you Open Source everything, what is the point of threatening or killing you? The damage is already done and it would be risky behavior for no gain. When the secretive inventors are suppressed, threatened, or killed all that remains is an "Urban Legend" that they can easily deflect simply by using the old card of "conspiracy nuts". When people go public as soon as they are threatened or suppressed with details, the bad guys have no choice but to back off; and they are suddenly on the defense. Criminal activities can only exist in the "dark", the light of day whithers them like the Wicked Witch of the West ;)

....In fact then the only "safe" tactic they have left, that doesn't risk their exposure, is to try to convince people not to do it... Not to Open Source, not to go public.

And yes, this of course only matters for true working F-E devices. We know that many inventors have been paid off, many given gag orders and their devices "secretized", some threatened, some had arson and theft, and some even killed. They wouldn't do these things for fakes that don't work ;) ... So either the people who relate these stories or lying, or the devices were "real". T. Henry Moray was a devoted and religious family man, a Mormon. It is pretty hard to call him a liar ;) Many others who claim suppressions are credible and believable; and also hard to call liars since nothing else they have done has discredited them.

Regarding F-E devices being "too dangerous": The idea that a working magnetic / pulsed motor-generator that produces large amounts of OU energy is "dangerous" is pretty silly... An MRI at the local hospital would be much more dangerous. Also, hydroxy vehicles would be a pretty low risk (safer than gasoline, if people understand how to handle it). Even LENR is proved with over 120 successful replications world-wide to be pretty harmless... So i would suggest that the reasons these things and many more like energy from plasma / ball lightening are not being studied by the mainstream scientific community (...although LENR is studied in other countries outside the US) has nothing to do with possible safety dangers to society as a whole... But because they are risky to certain elements of society who wish to remain in their current positions of power... That's human nature. And unfortunately, it is also "dark human nature" for those in power to do whatever they can get away with to hold on to that tremendous power and wealth.

Our challenge is to limit the possibilities of what they can get away with, strip them of their favorite tactics, and defeat them via grass roots. This is why the Open Source model will succeed ;)

Its a tough challenge, but the rewards are worth it. For when a great new F-E technology finally emerges.. It won't crash the stock markets, it won't cause anarchy, it won't "destroy civilization" or cause armageddon. What it will do is slowly change the paradigm to that of plenty, from that of scarcity. It wont happen overnight... And at first you can bet those in power will find a way to "get a piece of the action" somehow, too... But when too many people know about it, that's the best they will be able to get away with.

But it appears that it may not happen at all unless WE in the Open Source Energy movement make it do so.

In the 1950's and '60's; the Civil Rights movement ended Segregation. In the 70's, the Women's Rights and Ecology movements both succeeded greatly in their causes. They were all up against hugely powerful opposition.... They did it by changing public opinion; using Grass Roots Activism... The one thing they are most scared of. 

If 100,000 of us tell 10 of our friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers about the possibilities of Free Energy... Thats 1,000,000 who will now know. If they tell 10.. That's 10 million. Then soon it's 100,000,000 who know the truth... And it can then no longer be suppressed. And once it's not suppressed, then its a "done deal"... It can't be stopped, because the light of day is shining on it and everyone will demand it.

So bring us the working F-E device, and we will do the rest ;) 

Open sourcing is the way, but the method of getting it out in the public is still up for discussion.

If ones goal was to prevent global "free" energy, then just think about it for awhile. Having someone murdered is the last resort!  They take a risk of being caught even when using the best *expensive* hit-men.

Here's what I came up with from almost day one of being in this "free energy" community, and every time I mention this there are people who try their best to counter act what I say. The obvious and smart answer is the flood these forums with thugs. In fact, one person who spends full time could have dozens of user names posting here using multiple ISP's. There is no way Stefan would know.

So if they want to hush a "free energy" design that they think might be legit (not a fake from one of their forum guys) then they simply ignore the person. You'd be amazed how most people are followers.

They could ignore those who are not part of the team, and support their own people. How often do you see people saying, "Just build it!"  So legit people build it, doesn't work, surprise surprise, get burnt out, never want to return to the "free energy" community.

Why would a legit person want to replicate a device that everyone's ignoring, when everyone is swarmed around another device? "Build it, Build it, Build it!"  LOL

It's a perfect flawless 100% legal plan! They don't need to break any law. They just bamboozle you. Why take a chance on something so important as global "free energy?"  For years I have *begged* people in this industry PLEASE IGNORE DESIGNS BY PEOPLE WHO ARE UNWILLING TO SHOW PROOF!  I, for example, have offered to show my entire diode array setup to any professor. I've shown every detail, part numbers, everything.


PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 02, 2009, 11:12:03 AM
Is that true? If so then it's a day to celebrate because then and only then will someone have a chance at getting the "grand smoking gun" (a self-running "free energy" machine that produces usable amounts of power) into public hands.


I would predict the person wouldn't even make it to the patent office.

Already done!  They've tried scare tactics on me and countless others from Bruce DePalma to Bedini.



PL

The true over unity machines can not go into public hands, sorry.
I mean about machines which will have cost about 3-4 EUR/ 1 Kw of invested power.
But there are 2 points behind it:
1. They don^t need not only fuel, but also maintenance.
2. They don^t change its structure during the work time, thanks to renewable energy of tachyons,
which rebuilds internal structure of engine.
Can You really not imagine what could be when some idiots become in own hands such a machine that can in a moment unlimited amount of energy to produce?
Pleasee see on my blog: with Day of Cosmonautics :
http://ludzie.playmobile.pl/blog/entry/128107/With+Day+of+Cosmonautics.html
Original in russian to Vladymir V. Putin: Ð"ень КосмонавÑ,ики 11.04.08 (sent 1 year earlier with additional materials in top secret operation).
It was very long time ago.....

Doctor No
http://ludzie.playmobile.pl/doctor+no

Quote from: Doctor No on February 06, 2009, 10:01:11 AMThe true over unity machines can *not* go into public hands, sorry.

Global "free energy" is inevitable, sorry. IMO the odds of one person being able to market a "free energy" machine before the exact replication designs are in public hands is highly unlikely. To be blunt, they'll be stopped. So a person should first give away the designs to make a "free energy" machine, and they should very careful how they give away such designs, as there's a good chance that places such as "free energy" forums are heavily watched-- be *very* careful and *smart*, please! After the designs have successfully made it into public hands, then it's too late to stop global "free energy," and therefore it's fine for anyone to market such machines. Another possibility is for a large company to market a "free energy" machine. It would be difficult to stop a company.

...

Anyhow, I'm beginning to see more and more unusual posts that appear to be taking the next step, which is scare tactics such as suggesting that "free energy" is dangerous, or it will destroy the world economy.  These are the most ridiculous and pathetic statements ever. How dare these thugs take it to that level. Any good economist will tell you that the economic system always adapts to change. Of course any great change brings about *growing pains!* Growth is painful. Would you deny your wife the right to have birth?!?!  As far as "free energy" being dangerous, it depends on the technology. Capturing ambient thermal energy that exists in all matter all the time is 100% safe, it is *not* nuclear!

PL

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 02, 2009, 11:17:28 AM
Sure, if the "free energy" machine is working with nuclear stuff. I'm not. I'm working with diodes and common transformers.  Like the other guy said, CERN is the concern for safety. A recent analysis from conventional physicist who specialize in quantum physics have said that the lifespan of these particles is far longer than previously predicted. A lot of models are clearly showing that the micro blackhole could survive. One model places a 1 in 8 chance of the Earth being destroyed. And even if the Earth survived, the particle would travel out in space and destroy countless other solar systems. We should be concerned about that.

PL

Of course, electrotechnical and air basing devices are not dangerous, but not very cheap and not qualify for space travel (in time).
But the rest about black holes is not thruth.
We have enormous quantities of it in each of us.
We depend on it.
The true secret of Victor Schauberger was not energy of overlight tachyons, but the mechanism of black hole control, same which propels stars and our bodies through all the live.
CERN is not right.
Had invested many money, which will be dead.
It can be done much cheaper, and with better results.
Say 500 EUR. :o

Quote from: jibbguy on February 02, 2009, 12:59:16 PM
 

Everyone who has failed in the past did so because they tried to keep the stuff secret, tried to go it alone to get the maximum money, fame, whatever: Thus it was easy to get rid of them with one tactic or another. When you Open Source everything, what is the point of threatening or killing you? The damage is already done and it would be risky behavior for no gain. When the secretive inventors are suppressed, threatened, or killed all that remains is an "Urban Legend" that they can easily deflect simply by using the old card of "conspiracy nuts". When people go public as soon as they are threatened or suppressed with details, the bad guys have no choice but to back off; and they are suddenly on the defense. Criminal activities can only exist in the "dark", the light of day whithers them like the Wicked Witch of the West ;)


So bring us the working F-E device, and we will do the rest ;) 

So em i doing so.
Please see carefully;
http://ludzie.playmobile.pl/doctor+no

I regulary ship emails to our security forces, Dick Chenney, NATO, and others
informing what nuclear experiments we do here.
The last what i have them sent, that probably this year we made full biological-spiritual experiment series on living water (nuclear , to 0,1 kT range)

Quote from: PaulLowrance on February 06, 2009, 10:29:08 AM

Anyhow, I'm beginning to see more and more unusual posts that appear to be taking the next step, which is scare tactics such as suggesting that "free energy" is dangerous, or it will destroy the world economy.  These are the most ridiculous and pathetic statements ever. How dare these thugs take it to that level. Any good economist will tell you that the economic system always adapts to change. Of course any great change brings about *growing pains!* Growth is painful. Would you deny your wife the right to have birth?!?!  As far as "free energy" being dangerous, it depends on the technology. Capturing ambient thermal energy that exists in all matter all the time is 100% safe, it is *not* nuclear!

PL

I fully agree with You!
I have my own economic program for my country, resting on free biological nuclear energy.
Program dla Gospodarstwa Polskiego (The project of rebuilt of Poland between XI 2010-VIII 2012 )
http://ludzie.playmobile.pl/blog/entry/131159/Program+dla+Gospodarstwa+Polskiego.html
But it depends only, when we made full scale nuclear test.
DN

Dr No,

For crying out loud,

GO AND TAKE YOUR MEDICATION !!!!!!!

Hans von Lieven

@all

I did not want to say anything yet, but I am having a tremendous success!!!!!!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6362.msg158838#msg158838

Jesus

Ok, I figured this one out, and it's easy if you have college level electronics.  It really works in two parts.  You take a minimum of 2 baluns, one is for the Oscillator Circuit, the other is for the output.  When you tune the Oscillator, short out the secondary of the transformer in the oscillator circuit, and remember this is a very important rule of thumb.  A rule a thumb, makes it easy to explain without explaining allot.  Neither of the these two schematics belong together, they are offshoots of a previous experiment.  My computer crashed and I lost all of my files when I attempted to install Novell Linux Desktop with Windows Vista 64.  As it turned out the installer wasn't ready for Windows Vista, but could be installed and run with Windows XP.

When you have tuned the oscillator and it produces the frequency you need for the next tuned circuit with a transformer.  The second transformer is a 1 to 1 bifilar wound toroid.  On the primary you connect a capacitor in series to make a series tuned circuit of the primary of the second transformer.  Now, you want to be absolutely certain that it is tuned to the same frequency as the oscillator, and you do not want the inductive reactance of that coil to be above 5 ohms at that frequency either.

Even when the secondary of a transformer is shorted, the primary still has some inductance left.  When the primary parallel tank circuit was tuned with the secondary shorted, the oscillator was set up to operate with a short circuit on the secondary.  A series tuned circuit always looks like a short circuit at the resonant frequency.  None of this changes the resulting impedance of the parallel tank circuit at resonance.  So, 10 volts applied should give you 14.14 Volts, at 2.828 Amperes.  With all of that power there in the primary, since the secondary was shorted, the series tuned circuit captures it and displaces it on the secondary of the second transformer.  The whole trick to this is being certain that XL is just a tiny fraction larger than Xc at resonance, and a very tiny fraction.  This just places all of the voltage across the primary of second transformer and all of the current.

In all of it, only the Q of the oscillator stage really matters.  If Q of the inductor and capacitor are above 200, and the wire diameter of the capacitor is thick enough, use a doorknob capacitors, and not the feeble thin wired signal capacitors that will come in the right values.  Most of the time, these start up and quit as soon as the wire gets hot on the caps.  It has to handle 2.828 amperes without more than 10 degrees Celsius change in temperature while constantly running.  That won't happen with the small wire diameters you'll see from smaller capacitors, and you will need doorknobs.  20 AWG, 18 AWG wire to wind the coils.  Some really fat wire.  Don't go to any trouble to use litz wire, getting that work the right way, isn't practical, and in most cases they can't see any differenced between it and solid wire.  Litz wire would have to soldered to the outside rim of a copper disk to work right, and not more than one strand deep.  That's like trying to use a soldering iron to make doll hair or a copper wig that looks natural.

Transformer one for the oscillator should be nearly bobbin wound, with each set of windings wound tightly and close together.  Transformer two should be bifilar wound with the wire flat and the strands parallel to the other, and not twisted.  I've noticed that Inductance meters don't always measure the value of the primary of a transformer correctly.  In order to test the 1 to 1 bifilar wound toroid, you'll need a signal generator and an oscilloscope.  Then you can change the load on the secondary and see that the primary's resonant frequency doesn't change no matter how much or little resistance there is on the secondary, not in parallel and not in a series tuned circuit.  The other toroid that was wound with all of the turns for each section of the circuit bundled together will vary with either a parallel tuned circuit or a series tuned circuit, whenever you change the impedance of the secondary.  Only a parallel tuned circuit builds energy up within it.  But, the impedance match that works to tap it for all of that energy is literally a short.

Hi elgersmad:

Perhaps a little clarity please:

Quote from: elgersmad on March 15, 2009, 07:24:46 AM
On the primary you connect a capacitor in series to make a series tuned circuit of the primary of the second transformer.

Schematic show parallel?

Quote from: elgersmad on March 15, 2009, 07:24:46 AM
The second transformer is a 1 to 1 bifilar wound toroid.

Your schematic shows 10:1? Type-O?

Thank you and take care.

nap

Hi Stefan,

Count me in for US$5,000

You can contact me at my email for documentation to be signed issues.

Philip Hardcastle

Quote from: Philip Hardcastle on April 18, 2009, 01:52:16 AM
Hi Stefan,

Count me in for US$5,000

You can contact me at my email for documentation to be signed issues.

Philip Hardcastle

Many thanks Philip,
I will now update the prize amount.

Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: elgersmad on March 15, 2009, 07:24:46 AM
Ok, I figured this one out, and it's easy if you have college level electronics.  It really works in two parts.  You take a minimum of 2 baluns, one is for the Oscillator Circuit, the other is for the output.  When you tune the Oscillator, short out the secondary of the transformer in the oscillator circuit, and remember this is a very important rule of thumb.  A rule a thumb, makes it easy to explain without explaining allot.  Neither of the these two schematics belong together, they are offshoots of a previous experiment.  My computer crashed and I lost all of my files when I attempted to install Novell Linux Desktop with Windows Vista 64.  As it turned out the installer wasn't ready for Windows Vista, but could be installed and run with Windows XP.

When you have tuned the oscillator and it produces the frequency you need for the next tuned circuit with a transformer.  The second transformer is a 1 to 1 bifilar wound toroid.  On the primary you connect a capacitor in series to make a series tuned circuit of the primary of the second transformer.  Now, you want to be absolutely certain that it is tuned to the same frequency as the oscillator, and you do not want the inductive reactance of that coil to be above 5 ohms at that frequency either.

Even when the secondary of a transformer is shorted, the primary still has some inductance left.  When the primary parallel tank circuit was tuned with the secondary shorted, the oscillator was set up to operate with a short circuit on the secondary.  A series tuned circuit always looks like a short circuit at the resonant frequency.  None of this changes the resulting impedance of the parallel tank circuit at resonance.  So, 10 volts applied should give you 14.14 Volts, at 2.828 Amperes.  With all of that power there in the primary, since the secondary was shorted, the series tuned circuit captures it and displaces it on the secondary of the second transformer.  The whole trick to this is being certain that XL is just a tiny fraction larger than Xc at resonance, and a very tiny fraction.  This just places all of the voltage across the primary of second transformer and all of the current.

In all of it, only the Q of the oscillator stage really matters.  If Q of the inductor and capacitor are above 200, and the wire diameter of the capacitor is thick enough, use a doorknob capacitors, and not the feeble thin wired signal capacitors that will come in the right values.  Most of the time, these start up and quit as soon as the wire gets hot on the caps.  It has to handle 2.828 amperes without more than 10 degrees Celsius change in temperature while constantly running.  That won't happen with the small wire diameters you'll see from smaller capacitors, and you will need doorknobs.  20 AWG, 18 AWG wire to wind the coils.  Some really fat wire.  Don't go to any trouble to use litz wire, getting that work the right way, isn't practical, and in most cases they can't see any differenced between it and solid wire.  Litz wire would have to soldered to the outside rim of a copper disk to work right, and not more than one strand deep.  That's like trying to use a soldering iron to make doll hair or a copper wig that looks natural.

Transformer one for the oscillator should be nearly bobbin wound, with each set of windings wound tightly and close together.  Transformer two should be bifilar wound with the wire flat and the strands parallel to the other, and not twisted.  I've noticed that Inductance meters don't always measure the value of the primary of a transformer correctly.  In order to test the 1 to 1 bifilar wound toroid, you'll need a signal generator and an oscilloscope.  Then you can change the load on the secondary and see that the primary's resonant frequency doesn't change no matter how much or little resistance there is on the secondary, not in parallel and not in a series tuned circuit.  The other toroid that was wound with all of the turns for each section of the circuit bundled together will vary with either a parallel tuned circuit or a series tuned circuit, whenever you change the impedance of the secondary.  Only a parallel tuned circuit builds energy up within it.  But, the impedance match that works to tap it for all of that energy is literally a short.

Hi elgersmad,
sounds very interesting.
Did you already build this circuit ?

How about sharing a video of it running ?

What about the Lenz law in this circuit ?

Does it not apply due to resonance effects ?

Regards, Stefan.

I have viewed the terms of your overunity prize. It's a great idea. The only thing wrong with your terms is that the labor cost can be only $75.  Honestly, unless we are using ice creme sticks etc, you can hardly buy 1 hour of machine labor these days for $75.  I respectfully suggest you increase the material cost to $500 and the labor cost to $800.  If something really works, that is a small price to pay for serious replicators.  Labor (machining) costs will generally be higher than material costs

Over here we have a radio show called "Guess what this sound is"
They play a sound on the radio and people try to guess what it is.
If they give the correct answer, they win the prize money, which is currently 50.000 euro.

So it is better to listen to the radio all day and guessing what the sound is compared to making and sending a device to Stefan Hartmann that will produce energy forever....For only less then 16.000$

And by the way, 16.000$ is nothing compared to the costs of development.
M.

Quote from: peterpierre on January 20, 2009, 06:30:38 PM
You got it ... I never was threatened nor was I ever offered anything extraordinary :) I think I will survive those remaining days just fine :) Everything is going to be ok - my main thanks go to the ones who did not believe me :) It does not matter it is time to rock the cradle :D We're on it and I'll go medieval on it's ass :P I don't care about the money - I do not care about recognition - we're all gonna die sooner or later but now is the time to make some serious changes :)

i look forward to your devices bro ....

peace

we live 4 ever bro .....   ;)  hence infinity ...  im back ...  ;D

were all crazy men a nights ... liveing in an omish par a dice !!


know why we are still poor and alive ....  CUZ THERE FOOL! ...  LOL 

CANT THINK CAN THEY ...   NAW THERE BOTTOM FEEDERS LOL

CUZ WE SELL QUILTS AT DISCOUNT PRICE !!

OFF TO WITCHA TA DUH!

;)

SHIFT3333 :)  GONNA TWEET?!?!?!  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnQd7iIEBY0

THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR WAKEING UP IN VAGES ...  KP  :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Qf7GdAF70

SHUT UP AND PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS .......

SHIFTER!

Quote from: zydubion on June 13, 2009, 12:30:20 AM
I have viewed the terms of your overunity prize. It's a great idea. The only thing wrong with your terms is that the labor cost can be only $75.  Honestly, unless we are using ice creme sticks etc, you can hardly buy 1 hour of machine labor these days for $75.  I respectfully suggest you increase the material cost to $500 and the labor cost to $800.  If something really works, that is a small price to pay for serious replicators.  Labor (machining) costs will generally be higher than material costs

Okay, maybe we should just set the material cost to maximum 500 US$ and
the labor cost also to maximum 500 US$.
(cause this is meant from a mas production cost level)

Surely for a just 1 Watt unit this is a bit high, but maybe for a higher output device this
is okay.

Quote from: -[marco]- on June 13, 2009, 05:58:25 AM
Over here we have a radio show called "Guess what this sound is"
They play a sound on the radio and people try to guess what it is.
If they give the correct answer, they win the prize money, which is currently 50.000 euro.

So it is better to listen to the radio all day and guessing what the sound is compared to making and sending a device to Stefan Hartmann that will produce energy forever....For only less then 16.000$

And by the way, 16.000$ is nothing compared to the costs of development.
M.

Well, yes, without any money this whole thing stalls.

I guess I gonna have to go the route to collect the money via donations
before any price is issued and then we might also use the prize money
to finance some great ideas out of the forum, so all will benefit
and not just one inventor...

As I see now how much money Alex Jones gets in via donations
for his moneybond I guess this would be much better and
could get us much better to go...

When I am ready with some other work I will
plan working on this and will implement donations over here.

Stay tuned.

Regards, Stefan.

Stefan...I think your $500/$500 number will work.  Thanks, it will help.  Small does not mean less expensive.  In fact, machining small parts is usually more expensive than big parts.  Tiny parts are more dificult to work with.

Hi Jim,
Yes that would also work, as long as it does not need any external fuel or power supply and is at least producing 1 Watt as the output.
If it is a big wheel I am willing to travel on my own cost across Europe to measure it at your place, when the blueprints are posted and you can´t ship it.

But there must be a working model to prove it. Maybe include a few SMOT ramps to help the weights being shifted better to one side. Good luck regards, Stefan.

Quote from: P-Motion on September 28, 2009, 07:15:24 AM
  Thanks Stefan,
I am hoping in the next week or 2 to post a video of what would allow an overunity wheel to work.
It will be two opposing weight locations. Not sure how much work it will take after that.


                                                                                                   Jim

By the way...no releasing stored energy from warped boards. :)

:S:MarkSCoffman

Hi All,
I have been following this forum for some time. The overunity prize money is a great and noble idea. I have gone through the rules for entering the challenge and I appreciate the fact that this prize money will eventually benefit the inventor of a working OU by bringing more publicity and good PR rather than immediate monetary gains. This I think is great. I however seek to differ on the rule to include only non patented idea. I don't know if this has been discussed before.
In my view, a patent is not only for control but also for a genuine determination of the true owner of an inventive idea. The patent provides a clear and undisputed prove of an inventor and I think it is best to let people patent their ideas. What would have been better is to rule that a person whith a patent and has a working device must be willing to give up his/her patent rights in order to enter the challenge. 
If things remain the way they are what happens if a patented device is announced and known outside this forum? I tend to think it would be better to include everyone who is trying to get a working OU device into the challenge.
Regards

Stefan,

I am willing to donate $300US to this cause.

However, I have 3 conditions/amendments to the rules that would need to be met first.

1) The person submitting an application to the prize must outline in sufficient detail that they have performed adequate measurements to merit the application. This includes both electrical and mechanical devices. The measurements and methods must be included with the application.

2) At least one qualified person should be assigned to vet the application on the basis of 1) above. There is no point in wasting anyone's time on testing a device if there isn't at least some reasonable proof of OU to begin with. If in the opinion of this vetting person, there is not sufficient evidence to merit the application, the applicant may be asked to provide certain measurements, which the applicant must comply with in order to satisfy this requirement.

3) I would be happy to be your person to vet the electrical devices being submitted for admission to the prize. A different suitable person should be chosen to vet the mechanical-related devices. In many cases, it will be a cooperative effort between the two.

Regards,
.99

Quote from: poynt99 on November 22, 2009, 02:04:12 PM
Stefan,

I am willing to donate $300US to this cause.

However, I have 3 conditions/amendments to the rules that would need to be met first.

1) The person submitting an application to the prize must outline in sufficient detail that they have performed adequate measurements to merit the application. This includes both electrical and mechanical devices. The measurements and methods must be included with the application.

2) At least one qualified person should be assigned to vet the application on the basis of 1) above. There is no point in wasting anyone's time on testing a device if there isn't at least some reasonable proof of OU to begin with. If in the opinion of this vetting person, there is not sufficient evidence to merit the application, the applicant may be asked to provide certain measurements, which the applicant must comply with in order to satisfy this requirement.

3) I would be happy to be your person to vet the electrical devices being submitted for admission.

Regards,
.99

very generous of you poynt.
regarding your third 'condition',  what qualifies you to vet the submissions? are we allowed to expect you to provide some reasonable evidence of your qualifications? is this a 'one size fits all' type of vetting wherein EE's vet gravity wheels and circuits? or are we going to include some ME's to cover that area? i sure hope we end up with a panel of 'experts' rather than just one judge.

99

you will be great at this ...

but please do it right ...

this is all so simple ... this is why people become confused ..

ist!

i beleave there to be 36 ...  ;)  and im not 1 of them ...  ;)  i choose to sit out ya know ...  8)

i will not judge!   i have made my mistakes aswell as we all have ...  but im helping to point the way ...  this just cant be some farrie tale game .. 

put up  some real money youll get the real deal  ;D ;D ;D ;D

i have posted much info  free on this site .. for all to see 

and i doubt we come to a simpler answer
or a unit... that can match its endless supply from nothing as you say ..  ;D

it is not the unit ...  it is its design and operation ..

I would also add, in accordance with 2) above;

That if the applicant is either unwilling or unable to properly perform the required measurements, the vetting person may partake in the additional measurements on an adequate replication themselves using their own test equipment, in order to determine the merit of the application.

.99

your well suited for this ... your skills are more than proven ..

keep it real ... 

i say 99 gets a seat!  :)

and i truly am sorry for being how i was ...  it was to make you grow  ;)

peace keep it real 99 !

w814

oops i mean 100  ;)

I'll make an educated prediction, you may have about a minimum of 2 months and a maximum of 3 months to win this prize before someone else does with real unequivocal efficiency.

just my 2 bits.

Jerry 8)

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on November 22, 2009, 04:14:32 PM
I'll make an educated prediction, you may have about a minimum of 2 months and a maximum of 3 months to win this prize before someone else does with real unequivocal efficiency.

just my 2 bits.

Jerry 8)

To whom and to what exactly are you referring to?

.99

 ;D

i dont know guys... nuttin is pretty effieicnet ..  and if i reduce my charge time on the u caps to 15 min or less..  from 14 hours ...  thats a lot of power on 5 of em ... from 1 aa the first time to start it ...

we call this  magic ...   i then recharge the aa battery to over full in 5 seconds ....  loose almost less than nothing form my output caps ...  sorce is over what it was to start with ..  i then will set the aa on the shelf for the next ring ...  it will have a power button ...  turn it on and off ...  this is designed to drive a 1.2kw invertor NON STOP  ;D

w

for ever from less than nothing ...  cop?  :D ;D

i will start building them for sale when ever you want them .... THE !CUBE

TOTAL WEIGHT WILL BE UNDER 25 LBS life expectency of cap bank over 100 years ..

output will max at 12vdc 1000amp!  surge..  or constant drain per cap is 105 amp each

1500 cdn    i will build 10 for testing purpouss no invertor ...

i can not afford to have a surplus of materials ...  i have purchesed all i need to build 1 !

i gave you my starter to study prior to public release of THE GOLD RING

Quote from: hartiberlin on March 28, 2007, 07:02:02 PM
Hi All,
many of you were annoyed, when I put advertisement onto my OverUnity.com
forum.
But this action was done to raise some money to keep this forum going and now
I will give back some of the money the advertisement generates to you ALL
and especially to the inventor who brings the breakthrough alternative
easy to build free energy device !
So all members will profit, cause everybody will then know, how to easily
build a real working free energy device.

I will donate now 1000 Euros to the first inventor which will give us a free energy
device and put it into the public domain  and publishes it all freely via open source e.g.
via GPL ( General Public License).

I have pondered the last days, how it could be best done.
I have come to the conclusion, that I will start with the prize money
at 1000 Euros, about 1300 US$ in this moment.

Each month the prize money will be raised by an amount which I will announce here at each month,
coming from the advertisement revenue this site generates and which is
from you all checking out our Google Adsende sponsors.

Also if you wish, you can donate also into the pot of money, so the prize money will
be raised, so it will be getting higher and higher.

If you wish to donate also into the pot of prize money , you could just post over here in the thread
that you wish to donate an amount of money or you could deposit it to me via PayPal
and I will transfer it to a bank account or leave it on a PayPal account for this purpose.

This can still be discussed, how the money will be held best, so it is in a safe place.

I am holding now back 1000 Euros on my private bank account for this purpose.

I just want to get as soon as possible a device into the public domain, so
everybody can rebuild this device.

Here are the conditions, that will apply to win the prize money:

1. You need to build 3 working units, all must work in overunity mode,so to make sure,
it is a replicatable device.

2. Each of the 3 devices must at least put out 50 Watts of contineous electrical AC or
DC power. If your device is more a mechanical or chemical ( e.g. electrolyis or cold fusion
devics) device, you must build also into it the converter to get electrical power out of it,
so it is producing at least contineous 50 Watts of free power without using any fuel
other than water or air.

3. Batteries can be used in it, but must be declared and must not be hidden and
battery lifetime and recharge time must be specified.( If batteries are used as a buffer
the testing time must be prolonged to test, if not just the batteries are delivering all
the output energy).Battery life should be at least 3 years and to change the batteries
should not cost more than 50 Euros ( each 3 years or better after a longer time period)

4. The 3 devices must be shipped to 3 different favourite Website owners in the free
energy news and discussion movement.
One device must be shipped to me at OverUnity.com ( Dip. Ing. Stefan Hartmann)
and the 2 other devices can be shipped for instance to Mr. Jean Louis Naudin
(jlnlabs.org) and Mr. Sterling D.Allan ( freeenergynews.com)
or simular entities, which are able to test and measure these devices and publish
in details the reports about these devices.

5. Patented devices do not apply, cause we want a solution that has no rights yet on it and
which would be free to build by anyone. Commercial replications must pay at least
10 to 20 % license fees to charity organisations
or simular organisations, that "feed the world" and help the poor.
This should be watched by the community to verify that commercial builder companies
really pay these licenses to charity organisations.

6. The inventor will get the prize money from me, if all 3 devices work at the website owners
and will still work after 3 months of time.
3 Months should be long enough to study and verify the 3 units and also do extensive
tests and measurements with them and first replications would be then already available
from the community.
The verification tests will be published widely all over the internet to spread quickly together
with the blueprints PDF File building instructions.

7. The device should not cost more than 500 US$ in part- and material-
prices to build and the inventor must also supply a DOC or PDF file with pictures
and building instructions and an explanation how he thinks that it works.

8. The inventor of the devices must build 3 devices from his own money and
loan these 3 devices to the 3 website owners for the 3 months test periods and
after this he can choose, if he wants to get the 3 devices back or would
like to sell these 3 devices to the test website owners to keep for themself.
The inventor needs to ship the 3 devices on his own costs to the 3 website owners.
If he can supply convincing videos in advance of the functioning of his 3 devices,
shipping charges can be paid by me, if he is low on money.

Please post your comments over here and also how we could best handle the "money
into the pot" transfer , if you also can afford to donate some money for the OverUnity Prize.

P.S: As I currently don?t have much time to fiddle around with graphics software,
I also need an artist, who is quick with animation graphics.
I need a Flash or animated GIF picture with a nice "logo" of a pot of Gold
or simular animated picture which we could use freely for this prize
and which displays the animated text "OverUnity Free Energy Prize".
Maybe a pot of gold on which sits the free energy device
which blinks and lights the text and this text in a half circle over it and
lighting up...
If you can donate such a nice animated picture you can put your name into the logo somewhere so you will be credited.

Please email me privately if you can donate such an animation logo graphics.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan Hartmann. ( admin of OverUnity.com )


I modified now the conditions on the 5th of October 2008 to lower the output power conditions,
so we will have sooner someone, who applies for the Prize.
See the new fixed conditions over here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5707.0

I hope this will get us faster to our goal of a free energy device.

Regards, Stefan.

Stephan  I am making a video so i wont have to pay shipping on My massivly Ou device . It is Very easy to build and cost 100 us dollars . the device is  The worlds first AA battery heater/light  . . the only parts are one 2n2222a transistor one 2 k resistor , one 10 k pot  one 102 capacitor. some #26 wire a one inch torroid some white leds one ultracapacitor 650f 2.7 volts and one Everready rechargable Ni-mh AA battery rated from 2500ma  to 2800 ma  . To complete this unit i will be selling the boards that make up that make the circuit self run . TBD . and some Nichrome wire and a switch . Simple . To describe the unit again  Its a Standard joule Thief circuit with a tank circuit comprised of a resistor capacitor and a pot . . this circuit has been calculated as have a cop of 2,26 with an out put over 3000 amps @ 2.5  -2.6 volts maximum amps are 3500 amps short circuit. . I will take you up on the offer for the prize as i doubt anyone here can come colose to such a simple heater /light generator of this kind . I discovered this and i so claim and take you up on the free shipping although you can make this unit easily yourself in 5 or 10 minuits with the parts readily available anywhere . If you really need me to make you one then i will . But i need the free shipping so so the units will be on loan only . you have an option to buy My unit . the others do not have that option to keep it . I will nail down the self run circuit shortly with help from some other contributing members who are making circuit boards for this device . the total unit will  be less than 6 inches Square and run for the life of the Ni-mh battery . 3-5 years they are readily available for less than 10 dollars per 2 aa batteries that this unit will run on .  If i win the prize i would like to share it with a group of people here that has inspired me to release the very first PROOF of OU in its simplistic and most powerful form . The only Condition is This . TO PREVENT COPYCAT ENTRIES NO ONE IS ALLOW TO ENTER THE CONTEST USING AN ULTRACAP  OR JOULE THIEF . i DISCOVERED IT INVENTED THIS DEVICE  FIRST AND ALSO IT CANNOT BE A FAIR CONTEST IF SOMEONE COPIED THE CONCEPT . As i told you there are other ways more efficiant to getthe same results and faster but for this demonstration it is a simple JT and a 1 volt aa battery . Later on this can be scalled up as ist is doing to provide more start and output power . Iam sharing the prize money with him a few others . COP is Calulated as 2,26  and with My start bcap volta normally sitting at .5 volts 2,26  and as a consertive calculation according to poynt99 ,because the bcap is never fully discharged  i start at .5 volts on it . COP 2, 16
thanks .

Albert