I have conceptualized and experimented with a way to harness the concept of the SMOT (Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy) in a motor design. In the SMOT design, gravity overcomes the 'sticking point' thus imbalancing the system wherein magnetic energy is successfully converted into kinetic energy. The 'sticking point is the area where the two magnets are closest and where the steel vehicle, a ball in this case, naturally becomes lodged without the aid of an outside force.
The Magnetic Rotor that I envision allows a lessening of the magnetic forces at the sticking point without compromising the magnetic force in the rest of the system that drives the vehicle, a two bladed rotor. It uses semicircular magnets (two halves of a ring magnet (polarized through thickness) will do. These magnets must be polarized through thickness so as not to have any poles at the sticking point for maximum overunity.
I have not worked out which poles should be facing where but for maximum overunity I believe that like poles should be facing each other.
The key to lessening the sticking point is to utilize a magnetic shield, tapering toward the terminal point (sticking point) in an manner that occupies gradually increasing surface area. This accomplishes two things: First, it creates an imbalance in the system (required for all mechanical cycles to work) allowing a power stroke to be realized; Second, it allows the magnets to transfer their full power into the power stroke while limiting their power used to retract this energy. The same thing could be theoretically accomplished with tapered magnets.
The graduation curve regarding placement of the magnetic shield (Metglas is what I use) must be taken into account otherwise the sticking point will simply move. The idea is to thin the magnetic flux down near the end of the power stroke by leaving only a gradually tightening channel through which it may emanate. This must be done in a linear fashion if you wish to use the power of the magnets to complete the power stroke. Balance, precision, and the right shielding curve are the keys.
May we all benefit from this and use it for the peaceful celebration of beingness and praise of the divine, the source of all good ideas.
I am having positive results. Please feel free to use this idea, it is the property of the world.
Have you actually built this device and it rotates on its own without stopping ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I'm going to play the sceptic,
If this works ,and you have made it run, and you have been able to make a fancy graphic then please post a simple video to prove it.
Thanks,
Tim
Quote from: nwman on April 13, 2007, 11:17:20 PM
I'm going to play the sceptic,
If this works ,and you have made it run, and you have been able to make a fancy graphic then please post a simple video to prove it.
Thanks,
Tim
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 13, 2007, 12:23:22 PM
Have you actually built this device and it rotates on its own without stopping ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
what they said. Open Source it :)
Oh yea sorry! Oops.
Tim
I have not made it run, though I have achieved proof of concept. the algorithms (for shaping the magnetic field) are the missing piece of the puzzle. I believe the field needs to be straighter along the length of the magnets (not the oval shape depicted), and also possibly using magnets with the poles actually on the ends of the magnets (which I do not know where to acquire in this shape) to aid in this. The precision is what's missing from my own designs and I simply posted the idea because time is running out for our rehabilitation regarding fossil fuels.
The principle is sound like so many I've read about for one reason. Intuitively, it must be understood that when you or I push two magnets together with like poles together, a storing of our muscular energy does occur. When we remove our hands, the magnets spring apart. The interesting, and essential point here is that no energy is lost in friction, heat, or any of the other thermodynamic traps. According to thermodynamics, work has not occurred though you can feel that it has. This is astounding, and a pivotal highlight in nature. This happens because the energy is being transferred nonlocally, teleported if you will, into the phenomenon of universal electromagnetism through a quantum portal (exhibited in all magnets). This is the best explanation quantum physics has for these mysterious lines of force. This is also why a large magnet does not suck all of the force out of smaller magnets placed against it (removing the small magnet reveals that it retains its power). Magnets actually create nonlocal portals for electromagnetism, one of four of the most abundant forces in the universe. Magnets surely do not create magnetism, it already exists to be channeled.
So, if one can simply unbalance the system of a magnet, easily done with the right shielding setup, he can achieve a rerouting of the tremendous pool of electromagnetism just waiting to be nonlocally tapped.
I chose to post this to further the evolution of the SMOT for humanity's sake. If I had a video of one running don't doubt that I would have posted it as well. I hope to soon. Until then, any assistance would be appreciated.
In any case, a sticking point CAN be reduced in power, to a discernible degree while only marginally lessening the strength of the propelling force in this system. I have gotten that far and that's enough for me at the present time because it is effectively proof of concept. That's where you guys come in. It was simply time to post it before the information was lost or myself or both.
I understand the idea - I guess. The sticky point is reduced at one end of the magnet. However, reducing a sticky point at the end, means the sticky point is stretched over a longer distance than the sudden end of a "normal magnet. Removing a sticky point without loosing attraction from the other end, means mono pole - virtually speaking. Mono poles are as far as I know not yet possible to make.
So my opinion the sticky point is still present, but it is weaker when measured at every point along the magnet, but also the sum of those sticky forces is still quite high.
How this SMOT will work, is that the modified magnet is virtually a shorter magnet, virtually tilted apart in one end - it is roughly speaking the same thing.
The sum of all forces from a magnet is, as far as I know, always 0 (zero). If you reduce a sticky point in one end, you also reduce the attraction capabilities in the other end of that magnet. I believe this device will not work because the sum of all forces, including air drag, bearings and other kind of friction, will eventually stop the steel rotor.
Br.
Vidar
Well put, I would agree with that analysis.
Tim
Low Q, there is a flaw in your analysis. the forces of the magnet are not being neutralized, they are being rerouted within the shield. The shielding (ferromagnetic) does not degrade the force in the lines of flux, it gives them a lower resistance through which to flow, thereby rerouting them away from the ambient physical area in question: the sticking point. The net force of the magnet is still zero, with one side of the force area being rerouted. You were very perceptive to have called it a "virtual" monopole because that is exactly what it is. Both poles are present, one is DEveloped, another is ENveloped within the shielding material, however both are 100 percent present and neither is being neutralized. It is a virtual monopole because one pole (or in the case of my design, one side) is not rerouted, leaving it in a usable space outside the actual magnet.
The key is the shielding, for example: Three virtual monopoles can be created using, say, three cylindrical magnets. The negative sides of these cylindrical magnets will be unshielded. The remaining sides will be shielded to the point where no ambient (outside of the shield) force lines are present. Developed force will be present on the negative sides alone. This will be done with multiple layers of metglas. Whala! Three monopoles. Place one virtual monopole on a rotor arm, place the other two on bases, vertically aligned with only enough space between them for the rotor-based magnet to squeeze between. Have the negative side of the rotor magnet oriented so that when it passes through the open space between the other two its negative side is exposed to the other two's negative sides. Spin it!
I noticed that on the several SMOT-alike devices I built, when I tried to take away the strength of the sticky spot, something bad also happened with the force in the rest of the track. A very strong sticky spot gives a much faster propulsion during the ramp, compared with a weak steaky spot. Somehow the sticky spot is important for the SMOT.
Eric.
Quotewhen I tried to take away the strength of the sticky spot, something bad also happened with the force in the rest of the track. A very strong sticky spot gives a much faster propulsion during the ramp, compared with a weak steaky spot.
This is because shields generally attract magnetism, thus take away and hold an amount of flux from the magnets. Therefore the magnets become weaker. Many tried to use shielding to weaken the sticky spot, and it was really happend!! But the magnets had also become weaker.
The problem is they tried the use the same
weakened magnet / magnetic system to overcome its own
weakened sticky point(s).
(-5) + 5 = 0 ; (-2) + 2 = 0
(-5) + 5 = (-2) + 2
0 = 0
So shielding is possible, but one will lose the same what one can gain by the shielding. Mathematically do nothing... the end sum will be zero in all cases.
The stronger the sticky spot, the stronger the magnets, the stronger the interaction, and vice versa.
In sum, without some kind of "magic shielding" ...
Quote from: Gregory on April 19, 2007, 07:22:14 AM
In sum, without some kind of "magic shielding" ...
Hi Folks,
There seems to be a magnetic shield that is not attracted by magnets but is still claimed to act as a shield, see this Abstract of patent application US20060083931:
"The present invention concerns a shielding material for a magnetic shield containing coal slag; silver powder; a mixture of calcium powder, magnesium powder, and zinc powder; and silica powder. The shielding material is in powder form. In another embodiment, the present invention contemplates adding nano-silver to the shielding material. The present invention is based on the concept that the magnetic field is actually "deflected" away from the area shielded. This is possible in view of the shielding materials used to produce the magnetic shield."
This was also a topic here at overunity.com last December if you happen to have not seen it, it is here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1771.msg20161.html#msg20161
And here is a link to the patent application:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat20060083931.pdf
I have not tried this yet but the examples presented are attractive... and the ingredient/constituting materials seem to be obtainable with little effort.
Another "magic" shield material seems to be pyrolityc graphite, also mentioned on this Forum already. Here is an outside link to it:
http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/pyrolytic_graphite.html
Regards
Gyula
Hi Gyula,
Thanks for showing the patent application, I forgot that. Interesting!
Looks like a "magical recipe". Such an invention is close to PM in itself, if the effect is strong enough, and the invention really works as they claim.
Anybody tried it already for shielding magnetic fields?
Regards,
Gergely
Hi All,
Sorry I've been gone for so long, started a new career and it's just now settling down a little bit. At least now, I will have a significant amount of $ to sink into our common goal. It looks like I've missed some significant posts!!!!!!! I am astounded but not surprised, if that makes sense.
I assume you guys must not be total quantum physics nuts like I am by the way you use the word "magic." M-Theory postulates one substitution for the M as the word, "magic." Hey, Einstein didn't want to believe that inside your everyday household transistors electrons were 'magically' teleporting out of their silicon prisons, at a predictable rate to boot (Heiserman Uncertainty Principle)! Yet, those little electrons magically, yet literally teleport out of their manmade prisons countless times in all of our computers every day. So, if you don't believe in literal teleportation, thus "magic" then stop posting on this website, and using computers altogether because magic is what makes transistors and silicon chips possible. It's a quantum world now... wickie-woo!!!!
But, on a more practical note, I thank you guys for continuing to post on my topic in my absence, even if you, like Einstein before you, don't believe transistors or computers work. And many, if not infinite thanks to you, Gyula!!! This is the break we've all been waiting for and whoever posts it on the web for the rest of us to read may believe they are just a normal person, but, to me, people like you embody what Tolkien truly wanted Bilbo and Frodo to represent. Thomas Paine would be proud. I will in the near future procure some of this magic substance to add to my collection and put to work with the rest of my working magic toys! THIS substance is what I've dreamed of for years... thank you so much.
You see, until now, I did not have the financial means to procure these magic shielding substances and had almost given up on their timely discovery. Now, in true Jungian Syncronistical fashion, I get a great job and you make the aforementioned post! It's a magic world and I have enough hope to go around! The race is on!
I'll be in touch.
Hey wow, you guys just opened my eyes to an amazing thing!
I checked out "Pyrolytic graphite" - if it works as advertised it could shield from magnetic fields - something I didn't know was possible!
As per posts elsewhere, if this could be used in (for example) two arms on a spinning shaft, we might be able to "gate" a magnetic field sufficiently to create a Pm self-runner. The main problem i can see with the idea is that you would need to prove that the energy used to move your blocking device was less than that used for a piece of plain iron used in the same place. If so, we have our magic "gate". You might also want to use bits of this stuff to "separate" or even concentrate a magnetic field where desired . . . . . . some BIG possibilities here! ;)
Quote from: magnusx on June 26, 2007, 07:13:58 AM
Hey wow, you guys just opened my eyes to an amazing thing!
I checked out "Pyrolytic graphite" - if it works as advertised it could shield from magnetic fields - something I didn't know was possible!
As per posts elsewhere, if this could be used in (for example) two arms on a spinning shaft, we might be able to "gate" a magnetic field sufficiently to create a Pm self-runner. The main problem i can see with the idea is that you would need to prove that the energy used to move your blocking device was less than that used for a piece of plain iron used in the same place. If so, we have our magic "gate". You might also want to use bits of this stuff to "separate" or even concentrate a magnetic field where desired . . . . . . some BIG possibilities here! ;)
will be looking it up myself. thanks!
G'day all,
For those of you interested in pyrolytic graphite
http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/pyrolytic_graphite.html
Hans von Lieven
here's a little toy http://youtube.com/watch?v=jOaBnJpIRzM