The following looks funny, but is works with full rotations, perpetual, no electricity!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_aQCPWHHc0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_aQCPWHHc0)
We need this fellow to come to this thread and tell us how it was done for replication. Improvements can be probably made in size, speed, etc. But it is a start!!!
BT
You have great enthusiasm! But I also have a bridge to sell you. On a scale of 1-10 on scientific review of that video its maybe a 1.
Video quality is poor.
There spinning a "back scrubber"
I don't see any magnets in the video.
The rotation is coming from a little black box that could easily hold batteries and a motor.
There is no description of what we are seeing.
I like everyone else here hopes its true but I have seen a lot more convincing displays. Never give up!
Tim
not convincing at all and it is not open source technology >:(
peace :)
fake.... note that the "device" in his 2nd rotation +- at 7 hours it "speeds up" like someone bring an outside magnet closer to the brush, before this the device slows down... it's just a guy trying to make some fun with a magnet and a camera.
:'(
The black box is a PC fan. The PC fan would run at about that speed with that load using a few AAA batteries.
hum
check the other video posted by this guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J35JwoTlFvs
i just dont understand because his video dont show any SMOT like this one
Interesting
Quote from: TheOne on April 17, 2007, 10:47:09 AM
hum
check the other video posted by this guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J35JwoTlFvs
i just dont understand because his video dont show any SMOT like this one
Hmmmm are those magnetic sheets cut in squares on the table?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_aQCPWHHc0
The magnets are in two places as far as I can see. It appears to be wrapped in duct tape sitting on a pc fan. Actually a pc fan would be ingenious for rotation with next to no resistance. (as long as it is not plugged in! LOL) I am not "quick" to believe, but neither am I "quick" to dismiss.
The second group of magnets appear to be on the handle opposite of the bristles. My assumption would be that these oppose the magnets centered on the fan. The bowl would concentrate the magnetic field from the larger magnets sitting on the fan. Is the bowl plastic, metal or ceramic?
And Ironhead may be right. their is either squares of metal or magnetic sheeting on the table. Either that or a funny looking table top.
I have looked at his other attempts, and believe we should investigate further. Sometimes the simplest design turns out to be the one that works!
BT
Quote from: IronHead on April 17, 2007, 12:58:23 PM
Quote from: TheOne on April 17, 2007, 10:47:09 AM
hum
check the other video posted by this guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J35JwoTlFvs
i just dont understand because his video dont show any SMOT like this one
Hmmmm are those magnetic sheets cut in squares on the table?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_aQCPWHHc0
It seems he first tried out the v-shaped SMOT principle with his 2 other
videos.
The last one here shown probably has the magnets inside the crack
of the plastic bowl.
If you look closely you can see the magnets sitting at the edge of the upper
rim of the plastic bowl.
Also you can see a washer or a flat circle magnet sitting ontop the rim of the plastic bowl,
when he tries to zoom
the camera below the table.
The fan is probably only used as an axis and rotation holder for the scrubber.
The scrubber also holds magnets glued with tape to the scrubber rod.
Maybe it is no fake ?
Regards, Stefan.
Some analysis.
Tim
Well done.
We have to get this guy over here to th forums.
The only thing left off the analysis of the image is what appears to be a large magnet(s) on the fan and duct taped to the center of the brush handle.
Bruce
Quote from: btentzer on April 17, 2007, 10:45:51 PM
I am not "quick" to believe, but neither am I "quick" to dismiss.
well said! :)
I can not seem to be able to capture freeze frames from youtube to paste here. But I believe that Stefan was correct in saying there is a magnet or washer on the rim of the bowl that the brush passes over.
This magnet (assumed) can be seen at the following times:
7 second freeze frame
10 - 12 second frames
14-18 second frames
20 second freeze frame
53 - 55 second frames
Any thoughts?
Is there liquid in the bowl?
No, I don't believe that there is any liquid that can be seen.
It looks so ridiculous with the scrub brush, I am afraid too many people too quickly dismiss it. The inventor says he is working on a better looking demo, build of acrylic and enclosing it in glass.
I think this is worth trying to replicate.
Quote from: nwman on April 17, 2007, 02:15:07 AM
You have great enthusiasm! But I also have a bridge to sell you. On a scale of 1-10 on scientific review of that video its maybe a 1.
Video quality is poor.
There spinning a "back scrubber"
I don't see any magnets in the video.
The rotation is coming from a little black box that could easily hold batteries and a motor.
There is no description of what we are seeing.
I like everyone else here hopes its true but I have seen a lot more convincing displays. Never give up!
Tim
The mystic black box is an old computer fan.
Br.
Vidar
EDIT: That fan has already been posted...sorry :-[
EDIT 2: The second picture is modified in Photoshop and is probably showing an item that is not a part of the fan - a battery maybe.
If the magnets are turning the fan, then you should get a very small amount off the fan leads, (depending on the tyoe of fan, old possibly mag/rotr type) . Interesting so far, did he disclose his method? Or no.
No, he hasn't disclosed it. He says that he is building an acrylic model and will put it on youtube.
Low-Q:
It actually looks like a mini horseshoe magnet to me.
Funny, I wonder if my tooth brush will work. I will have to see.
I have sent a few messages to "jewbox" the creator of this device .
No replies as of yet.The good thing is he has been to my YouTube page.
One step at a time and hoping he will respond.
great site. you have inspired me to invent my own motor.
i am going to attempt to power an electric water heater with a magnet motor using the parts from an old lawnmower.
i was wondering, as i begin could i explain what i do, why i do it, and then take advice and also ask your opinions and use you guys as a sounding board?
i posted this once before so if you come across it somewhere i apologize. i am after all, the newguy.
if anyone should oppose, i will refrain from doing it.
new
Start yourself a thread, and fire away.
Hello everybody
Faked or not faked? That is the perpetual question...
The only things - with income taxes, of course - that seem perpetual (for the moment).
Anyway, according to my personal extensive scientific researchs:
This is definitely *not* a 'brushless motor'.
It is a computer-fan shower-brush & permanents-magnets-motor.
"deseret" was asking :
QuoteI wonder if my tooth brush will work
.
My answer is:
Yes, it will run faster and with a dish brush and especially with a car wash brush it will run slowly.
Best ;D
but a mop will not run at all, since it isn't a brush, and the hybrid broom will do so-so.
I am getting (hopefully not having to buy) a old PC fan Monday from a local repair shop. I actually think the guy is using several mini horseshoe magnets. One where Low -Q picked it out on the fan, and one where Stefan saw something. I actually saw it around the 7 second mark. It had the N-S facing away from the bowl and looked like a piece of metal beween the N-S horseshoe. Of course magnets on the brush handle. It kind of reminds me of what the fellow did on you tube with the VGate on the skate board wheel. Unique little idea using horseshoes for your N-S. I am going to try a replication asap.
Mr Jewbox is currently making a fool of all
1)His final motor has no connection with his first 2 videos , the magnet layout if any is totally different
2)He does not start or stop the motor
3)The video resolution by intent may be exceptionally low
4)The V gate does offer twice the hope of any other layout due to an easy entry and same level of sticky spot at end, I have tried various configurations effectively but in straight line
5)The motor is too smooth to believe
Have you seen new minato wheel on you tube any comments Vertical and horizontal model
Simulating the Minato Wheel - Vertical View
Have a look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98u1FAx9JkM
Hmm, but it is not really accelerating, what you would suspect from
a real magnet only motor..
At least it will overcome the friction for some time...Hmm..
Disclosing an invention with just a video is a waste of time. Anyone can
fake a video. Do people believe that Alderon was actually blown up?
It is futile to spend more than a passing moment on technology that
is not accompanied by drawings and technical explanation.
What is the motive of not providing these docs?
Paul.
hey
It is poor quality video granted. It does'nt improve in any of three I watched.
Of the critiques of this project I've read so far I can say that there are several points to address.
There is a piece of sheet aluminium that nearly covers the table. The aluminium has a painted on design covering it. It was probably used to stop controversy regarding a strong magnetic field produced under the floor or table effecting/causing the rotation observed. That's one of the reasons the camera was panned under the table.
The black box is a large computer minifan. You see it in all three videos. It could be powered but, would'nt the speed be much greater? Most of them I've seen are high-speed fans. In the first video you can tell that's what it is. The purpose is to have a stable turntable with good bearings. It's a great idea. Best of all, they're cheap and easily available.
There is a ring of small, cylinder shaped (I would guess magnets) objects around the entire bowl rim. I see one visable larger disk (magnet) on the rim as well. The bowl was to hold the (magnets) in that circular shape. I would suggest that the second video shows the failure of the v-gate approach. The third video is the progression using most prior components.
The backbrush just makes a good counterbalanced arm to set the magnets on that ride above the rim and ring of magnets.
I would say that there is considerable timespan between the making of the second and third videos. I would say that the posting on Utube was long after they did this.
sorry I forgot to say its possible we were lucky to have even seen this. this was a very low budget project. good thing they even had a video camera.
Someone tried real hard not to give MIB clues. Doubt its faked but, is possible.
speed would be increased by porportioning ring magnets to arm magnets better. Would also gain by attaching a shaft through the arm. bearings on the shaft ends. precisely balancing arm, ie. magnet and counterbalance.
may also be benefits to closer ring/ arm tolerances. possible additions of arms. magnets on both ends.
I really believe that if people always act as you want them to it would be a perfect world.