The attached document contains information on Ronotte's implementation of Jacob's magnetic reconnection theory.
I have to say that these are the most promising results I have seen, as far as TPU experiments go. Ottos results are another interesting device. However Ronotte's setup is extremely interesting, and I'm building it as soon as I get my probes for my new scope, and my sig gen. This thing exhibits more of the classic SM claims than anything I have seen.
Please see this document of his work, as time progresses through the document, you will see that it more and more resembles SM's classic earmarks of the TPU.
I am posting this here, because it never took off at my site, and I think it deserves more recognition than it was getting. All the credit should go to Ronotte, and Jacob.
@Ronotte, if you did not want this posted here, my apologies. I just think this needs more exposure, to generate more interest and replications.
Here we go. have fun. Please see the attached document.
The thread at gn0sis, is here as well, in case you'd like to see what has been discussed thus far. But much of it is in the document posted.
http://www.gn0sis.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,42/func,view/catid,21/id,5416/#5416
Rich
Orthogonal coils will couple - if biased properly
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4210859&F=0
This all sounds very much like a tesla collector coil he talked about to power wirless generators, that were powered from a earth based power tranmission system. The things he wanted to build wardencliffe for. He did speak about how things get very efficient when using the earth to transmit power. Just a though, but there are may lightning strikes on the earth at any given time. Could it be that the earth is gathering charge and unable to release it very fast from the poles, basically acting as a large em charged capacitor, and your tpu is interacting with the fields induced from that charge allowing electrons to be moved and allowing the magnetic charge of the earth to lower its energy state. For example, in air, a speaker kicking out xhz (driven) a speaker accross the room induced xhz and creating voltage. Just a thought to understand the mechanics.
Hi all,
it's with pleasure that I do invite everyone interested to read this work that I think will help to clarify somethingh till now fogged.
In this big updating I've included an introduction excerpted fro Jacob.
Good reading & best regards to all from
Roberto
Hi all,
for all those who have worked so hard on TP, a little picture
Roberto
Thank you Ronotte for sharing your amazing report. I can tell you have a HUGE amount of engineering work in that.
Thanks again.
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Roberto,
Are you using 100% all copper wire, or ?
I can tell you have a HUGE amount of engineering work in that.
Thanks again.
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- Yes 100% copper
- Yes there are vibrations for now not mentioned in report. I'll do it next.
Roberto
It becomes more and more like what we read about in SM's words.
I asked about the inertial properties and Vibrations before, and we couldn't see any, I figured that we wouldn't see vibrational, or inertial properties, until we stacked more than one ring. Now it's there. Very amazing.
It gets more and more exciting for me.
Hope to see some replications soon.
Rich.
Quote from: ronotte on April 19, 2007, 09:49:22 AM
- Yes 100% copper
- Yes there are vibrations for now not mentioned in report. I'll do it next.
Roberto
hi Roberto,
sorry if i ask, and when you turn it upside down, it stops also?
regards and all best
Norbert
@Norbert,
till now no time to check...anyway with all this mess...is difficult.
Before I should have to see how to clear the mess....but in the meantime as I'm involved in a new design with POWER optimization I'd like to leave it 'as is' in order to be able to make additional test as you may request.
Thank you for your interest
Roberto
Hello Ronotte,
please try to include from this shematic the collectors into your TPU. I really dont know if this will help you.
I hope you or me will crack this baby. It doesent matter.
On the scope you should have almost sinewaves.
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Sweet.htm
Best wishes for your success.
Otto
@Otto,
thanks for your words it's really true that I've tried in many ways how to 'include' Output Collector coil in the circuit....till now I've not seen the correct way as I've had only marginal improvements. I do hope you are more fortunate.
As you have sayd I think that this time really we're 'craking the baby'.
Best luck
Roberto
P.S. I do obtain sinewaves about 200V output just with one capacitor.
Hi all,
may I be allowed just to make a little suggestion? Please stop wasting your precious time (..I do know there's fun) and start replicating till the end mine or Otto's project (better both).
I do think that now, even if with some differences, we both are really getting/understanding what for so long only imagined!
But the way is still paved with many possibilities that cannot be exploited by me alone that at least in short time. So I do need to setup a number of truly interested guys who are willing to explore in parallel the many variations I'm thinking about.
For myself I do assure my best collaboration & efforts coordination. I DO WANT TO SHARE ALL.
JDO300, Moab, GK and others really interested please start duplication & share results. I do know that you are quicker than me!......Here there's only a piece of wire and a couple of MOSFETs.
Best regards to all and sorry for my bad English.
Roberto
Hi Ronotte,
I?m already on it! This week I?ve been looking working on gathering all of the parts that I need for my control circuit. I already have just about everything I need to make the TPU ring so as soon as I get my board soldered together, I?ll be good to go. I also found a through-hole substitute for the MOSFET driver that you are using. One of the Engineers at my work recommended the MIC4426 to drive the IRF840s. Looking at the dataeheet, it *looks* like they are capable of accomplishing the job, and can be switched on using TTL level signals. But before I get to happy, I thought I would run it past you just to be sure :).
Thank you again for all your help. I look forward to testing this out!
God Bless,
Jason O
@Jason,
it's great!! Finally!!!
Many thanks for finding the IRF7307 substitute I definitely suggest it to all as the IRF7307 is difficult to solder as it's an SMD device!
From this evenig (9 PM Rome/Italy time) till Sunday I will be available on MSN e/o SKYPE for all those who may want any kind of help.
For my side, yesterday I started building next ring-evolution, target is: 'Power augmenting' I really think that during week-end I will be able to catch at least an idea of what I/we all have to expect!!
Please be so kind to make joining all the other friends.
My best regards to all the group.
Roberto
@ Jason. Thanks for the heads up. Ill have to make a run to the E-store to get the them.
@Ronotte, Thanks again for the wonderful documentation. That really helps! Hope to work with you soon.
@ GK, Dan. Jason-O, Rich. Let's roll on it. M.M.
EDIT. And You too Rosphere! lol
Quote from: ronotte on April 20, 2007, 05:32:56 AM
...start replicating till the end mine or Otto's project (better both).
...I do need to setup a number of truly interested guys who are willing to explore in parallel the many variations I'm thinking about.
For myself I do assure my best collaboration & efforts coordination. I DO WANT TO SHARE ALL.
...and others really interested please start duplication & share results.
Ronotte,
You are spoiling us with all of your fine documentation. :)
Why not just speak to us in riddles like everyone else who understands? :D
Seriously, I would like to be included in one or more of your parallel variation replications. My strength, or weakness, is my aversion to using any power source other than batteries. I tried once, the other day. I saw some interesting things that vanished when I replaced the wall source with batteries.
I am looking forward to working with someone willing to answer clarification questions.
Please let me know when you have a parallel variation in mind for me to attempt. Or, by parallel variation you mean your same design but done by other folks?
At your service,
Rosphere
@Rosphere,
you are wellcome!!! Ok , I agree 100% with your humorism!! I don't know either why so many (not only here) generally speak ...how to say....in a 'non immediately transparent way'.
Please feel free to call me when you want either here or trought MSN/SKYPE.
You may be sure I'll share everything 'in a transparent way'.
Best regards to all
Roberto
Cool! Let's rock-n-roll! :D
EDIT: I am now in the process of reading your 2magclashtpu-V1_3.doc. I am currently on page seven. It is written very well. I am understanding, so far. Must go now. More reading is afoot!
By the way, your English is better than most folks who speak only English. :)
Hi Everyone,
Just thought I would post the datasheet for the MOSFET driver. Ronotte is definitely correct about using this chips. The TTL output from the Flip-Flop chip is not strong enough to drive the gate of the IRF840 when it is driving a load (I tried it myself and it just chokes).
I'll be working on a nice board layout this weekend for the circuit if anyone wants it. I'm going to cut mine out on a board prototyping machine here where I work so it'll be guaranteed to work right :-). I'm also going to try to make it small enough to embed the entire chip inside the TPU. One recomendation is that you do not solder the MOSFETs to the board, using the Terminal Blocks like Ronote did is an excellent thought. That way, if you burn one up, it'll be easy to replace.
Here's the link to the MIC4426 Datasheet:
http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/Micrel/mXsvxzr.pdf
I managed to get a couple of these chips from an Engineer at work so I'll be ready to roll soon :).
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Ronotte,
Quick question. What IC chip number corresponds to the the Flip-Flop you are using? From your document, I gather that it is a CMOS SR latch. For my 'pre' control circuit board, I used a 74LS73 JK FlipFlop IC and just tied the J and K inputs to V+ to switch it correctly.
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: Jdo300 on April 20, 2007, 01:30:24 PM
Hi Everyone,
Just thought I would post the datasheet for the MOSFET driver. Ronotte is definitely correct about using this chips. The TTL output from the Flip-Flop chip is not strong enough to drive the gate of the IRF840 when it is driving a load (I tried it myself and it just chokes).
I'll be working on a nice board layout this weekend for the circuit if anyone wants it. I'm going to cut mine out on a board prototyping machine here where I work so it'll be guaranteed to work right :-). I'm also going to try to make it small enough to embed the entire chip inside the TPU. One recomendation is that you do not solder the MOSFETs to the board, using the Terminal Blocks like Ronote did is an excellent thought. That way, if you burn one up, it'll be easy to replace.
Here's the link to the MIC4426 Datasheet:
http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/Micrel/mXsvxzr.pdf
I managed to get a couple of these chips from an Engineer at work so I'll be ready to roll soon :).
God Bless,
Jason O
Yes, please. :)
Hi Ronotte,
Another question. What did you use to power the ICs on your board? Did you use the same power supply that ran the FETs or did you use something separate?
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Jason,
I think he uses a 4027 JK.
Dave.
Ok, Thanks Dave :-).
Hi Jason, Dave
I did use a separate power supply for only driving electronics (MOSFETs excluded). You need it as you want to use it @ +6 or +7V for electronics and a separate variable supply just for MOSFETs .....in this way you can vary the MOSFETs supply voltage for ...put them in a safety mode (lower voltage) to do tests with high voltage, to limit the available current, and so on.. Pay only attention to make a high quality ground to refer all the ground leads on a single points (the 2 PS included).
Ciao to all.
Roberto
Hi all,
I've a new release of my document. The version V. 1.3.1 does include:
- new tests recordings with new data,
- some theory,
- fix of some errors.
I Hope you will enjoy
Roberto
Greetings =If you would be so kind as to put Ronottes file in PDF format i could download it for some reason it would not open in wordpad format on me compouter
Quote from: ronotte on April 20, 2007, 03:56:13 PM
Hi all,
I've a new release of my document. The version V. 1.3.1 does include:
- new tests recordings with new data,
- some theory,
- fix of some errors.
I Hope you will enjoy
Roberto
Please can somebody post this an a PDF file ?
Not all people have WinWord on their PCs and
on this machine, where I am I have to download now 100 MB of
OpenOffice to view it.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
PDF
Stefan,
Just wait a little I'll try to convert it to PDF.
Roberto
Many Thanks Grumpy
Rob
Many thanks Grumpy for the PDF conversion
and Ronnete for the excellent documentation !
Very well done and explained.
The question still is, if you not just only have capactively
coupled standing waves inside your output coils ?
At these frequencies we are already at radio frequencies
and many things can happen.
Maybe it would be best to measure the output
power calorimetrically by heating destilled water with
a resistor in heatholding and shielded container.
If you use these ouput spikes to drive a second and third
TPU ring and make a feeback over all 3 TPUs,
maybe you can get then enough higher power feeback, so
the 3 TPU rings will selfoscillate further on and you
can switch off the power supply.
Well done Ronette !
Regards, Stefan.
Just a thought since I don't see anyone else trying this....The flux around the coil needs to move in one direction...Don't forget that the use of a decent magent can help the flux take a prefered direction to give you a DC flow. The orientation of the magnet makes a difference.
I have a model from another experiment that when a magnet is placed near the coil the unit starts to hum even squeal a little (seems like the sqealing comes from the mosfet). I have never been able to recreate the effect with any test equipment connected to it.
BTW awesome document here. I a currently working on Otto's design and this one. I am looking for a better oscilator than what I have been using. One thing we have been doing is using my laptop to power a 100W solid state audio amplifier. I downloaded some basic frequency generating software. We then take the output from the aplifier into a bridge rectifier to get DC. With a system like this anything is possible with software. Problem is the audio from the sound card is mixed with some junk noise.
Anyone have any thoughts about the above use of an oscilator?
I am also replicating Ronotte's experiment--will post pics when I am finished winding the coil, probably in a couple of days.
Well done Ronotte! And thank you for posting such a detailed log of your experiments! :)
Hi all,
ATTENTION
sorry but I discovered only now that on my document: 2magclahTPU V1.3.1 the par. 6 Tentative power measurement is to be discarded due the existance of too many errors.
In a new release I'll try to make another approach.
Roberto
Quote from: ronotte on April 21, 2007, 11:17:30 AM
Hi all,
ATTENTION
sorry but I discovered only now that on my document: 2magclahTPU V1.3.1 the par. 6 Tentative power measurement is to be discarded due the existance of too many errors.
In a new release I'll try to make another approach.
Roberto
Thank you for the tip. :)
Relax. It is a living, evolving document. Some extra 3D graphics in the theory section would be appreciated as well. Need some help with this?
Rosphere
EDIT: The image below is nearly the idea I had last night. Now just twist into a ring shape.
The power levels in and out look about right for induction 27W input and from the look of the bulbs illumination I would guess there is around 12 to 15W out. This appears to be quite efficient given the amount of copper in the coils.
Well, I got the coil mostly wound today. As promised, a pic is attached.
I noted a couple of "odd" (they may be perfectly explainable with conventional electronic theory) things:
1. When tuning around, if I got close to the maximum output on the collector coil (the centermost 90-degree coil) and let it sit there, the voltage output would start to grow and keep on growing!?!? This was measured on my 'scope--no cheap multimeters here! ;) The frequency was around 62KHz.
2. The MOSFETs got HOT (perfectly normal with no driver chips). But when I went to touch the tab of the MOSFET (I believe it is connected to the drain terminal), I got a nasty shock and an RF burn! I won't be doing that again! :P
A couple of details on the coil construction. The collector coil is 1 turn, and is made of 10 15-strand copper wires all connected in parallel. There are 4 control coils, each is comprised of 45 turns of 16-ga. speaker wire. The outer collector has not really been wound yet; as of now it covers only 1/4 of the coil; it is the jumbled mess on one side of the coil in the pic.
I will continue experimenting. The maximum voltage I got from the collector coil was around 20V peak-peak when I let it sit and build up for about 10 seconds. Any longer and I though the MOSFETs would blow up!
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Eldarion
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Keep in mind guys that Roberto's Bulb is a 240 V European Bulb, not a US 120 V job. Please keep that in mind when trying to calculate Watts output.
If he can light that 240V bulb up significantly, I think that is VERY impressive!!!
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Eldarion,
congrats it seems that you are the first realizing a setup similar to mine.
Anyway I regret that you, at least from the incept, don't replicate the EXACT COPY. Doing like you do make for me difficult to do a comparison & give suggestions.
The differences I note are:
1 - The inner collector is not done with 3 turns Litz wire....this is really important!.....It does heavily conditionate the RE capture. ATTENTION using 1 turn may be correct!
2 - The control coils are not done with 21 turns....this is so important because it scale up the design...I understand on the contrary that you want to scale it down...
3 - Exciting the control coils, in my case done with 1mm standard electrical stranded wire @ 0.7 - 1.4MHz does allow an easy operation as the impedance XL @MHz range is HIGH....actually I'm draining from power supply only about 1A @18V without the use of any series limiting resistor.
4 - The MOSFETS with heathsink are only a little warm!....so no problems to keep them indefinitely operating...plenty of time to do tests!
Eldarion please don't hesitate to contact me in every mode you may want.
Good work
Roberto
Hi Roberto,
your control coils are bifilar !
This wastes a lot of input current,
cause these act just like normal resistors...
Have you also tried with normal coils as the control coils ?
Stefan,
I am not sure I understand your comment to Rob.
They are bifilar but they are not non-inductively wound. There is a point to the bifilar coils based on magnetic reconnection theory that is the WHOLE point of his test setup.
Unless you mean the outer most "collector" coil which is non-inductive and I think doesnt play a role here. I asked Rob to connect output to the other end of it (to bypass it) and I think it didnt make any difference. Just to simplify it down...
Dave.
Hi Dave,
I have to reread the PDF File,
I thought Roberto had wound the control coils bifilar,
so they just act like a normal resistor...
This would indeed only work then in higher frequency range,
as the stray capacitance and inductance will play a role and
produce standing waves inside the coils.
At this high frequency you can not be sure, what is going on
inside the coils as already any stray capacitance and
stray inductance play a heavy part in it and you can not see,
if any atomic precession wave will appear in it.
Atomic precession waves will probably be many times higher in
frequency range I guess...
So as long as Roberto has only a vague power measurement
and the 60 Watt bulbs lights up only as about half brightness,
I guess he is about in the same range as his input power
from the power supply.
Sorry, I don?t want to sound pessimistic with it,
but the output / input power measurement must be
enhanced to see, if there is really more output than input.
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan,
The control coils are wound bifilar, you are correct. But they are two seperate coils, rather than one shorted at the end, so they are still inductive and still produce magnetic fields.
I agree the power measurements are soo close together at the moment that nothing can be confirmed. However such power transfer in to a 3 turn loop at 90 degrees is impressive by itself even if no excess energy is measured yet!
I hope to test a copy of Robs setup on Tuesday, but the question remains how to confirm for sure the power measurements.
I do have a LUX meter and will place the sensor and bulb in sealed box and measure the LUX level, then connect the bulb to a variable supply and see what RMS power in normal terms it takes to make the same brightness and see what that reveals.
Dave.
So Dave and Roberto,
your control coils are no real bifilar coils
with no magnetic fields ?
Roberto, your circuit diagrams makes this not very understandable...
So, you are driving each part of the bifilar coils with different MOSFET, right ?
So indeed these are NOT bifilar coils, but just parallel wire wound coils !
So please forget the word bifilar in this matter...
So Roberto, is one MOSFET producing a magnetic wave clockwise
and the other MOSFET a magnetic wave counterclockwise in the control coils ?
Do you generate an interference pattern inside the 3 winding main output coil ?
I guess interference pattern are very important in the TPUs.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan,
Yes this is correct! Parallel wires, each has a MOSFET to create signals in opposite direction.
D.
Problably a re-post but it seems like SM's device has a company and a patent application in. Watch the video interview as well.
http://magneticpowerinc.com/prototype.html
video link is at the bottom of the web page.
http://magneticpowerinc.com/patent.html
patent application.
They say all the same stuff. Its exicted with a magnet and so forth.
Hi,
Yes re-posted many times and nothing to do with SM!
The CEO of MPI has already confirmed it and the inventor is Graham Gunderson a long time FE guy from the forums now working at MPI.
Thanks,
Dave.
Sure seems like the same device to me. Names can be changed. But thanks for the info.
Hi,
I think the fact that the TPU is very light and can be cut through with a jigsaw within 5 seconds is an obvious clue.
The MPI device relies on a ferrite ring which cannot be cut in 5 second, or 5 hours with a jigsaw and will have a lot of wieght.
The only similarity is it's round.
Regards,
D.
I looked at the patent and looks much like my TPU made out of a tool steel ring i made 2 or 3 years ago and had lots of fun playing with it and its almost identical to it . I did share it with someone years ago wonder if that put things in motion for them. and then there ya go we get hosed again hahahaha and i thought the thing was it was to be shared and given to us pooo folks. well you know how it goes the goberment will supress that tooo the oils guy love us and now we got the pitch fork farmers.
Stefan,
it seems the my use of the term 'bifilar' is leading to wrong interpretation. Sorry for this I'll amend my doc! Please pay attention at what Dave have said .....is all correct.
I meant to use the term BIFILAR only to quickly say 'Two wires' and so parallel wound coil connected as per diagram (not as the usual bifilar coils...).
Roberto
@ ronotte similar to this RH CW from center LF CCW from center. I color coded my winding for better explaination This is on a semi mobis coil 6AGW
HERE IS THE ANSWER !!!!
I have urgent news to pass onto you. This may be the most important post of my life. After long, long hours of going over every word that Steve Mark has said,
I HAVE FULL UNDERSTANDING of how the unit works!!!!!!! It finally hit like lightning (no pun intended) this afternoon. I will use Steve?s own words to explain it Step by Step. It is so simple, but so complex just as he said. And once you UNDERSTAND HOW it works, the actual coil design just becomes that of preference. You will also see why only the ?controller? was patented. I am not an electronics guy, and maybe that is why I could LISTEN to all that he said and not interject my own thoughts and opinions into the clues. All I ask in return for this information is two things:
1.) Your second completed coil with controller sent to me to keep. (I could not even wire a schematic correctly.)
2.) Your finished diagram and total information posted here for the world to see. You can keep the over unity prize money and use my portion to reimburse yourself the expense of my completed unit.
He has given us EVERYTHING we need to understand the how and why his coil works. Sometimes in obvious language and sometimes in much hidden language, but not so hidden after I point it out to everyone!
Step one: Remove all thoughts of putting electrical power going INTO the TPU. It is not a transformer!
Step Two: Build the controller for the unit. (You WILL KNOW HOW to do this when you have finished reading this!)
Step Three: Start with a core. I recommend 1.5 inch diameter plastic tubing (or something similar to dampen vibrations) put into a 5? circle forming the coil shell.
Step Four: To Make the collector he told us. ?It is three SEPARATE coils of multi strand copper wire laid ONE ON TOP of the other.? (remember, he said the frequency changes automatically(PROPORTIONAL) based on the ?circumference? This is why they are laid one on top of the other to slightly offset the frequency running through each one. We will get to that soon.) Three is important, they can be hooked in series or parallel. It give you greater flexability. I would suggest using #14 g. stranded. (Lamp Chord) Strip the ends exposing the strands on both ends.
Step Five: Make the ends into a ?spark gap?. This should probably be done at the ?top? of the unit.
Step Six: Place a LARGER wire, (less resistance) BETWEEN your spark gap. Perhaps #12 or even #10 Stranded. This is how you get those silly electrons to go where you want! We will call this our collection area.
Step Seven: That larger stranded wire runs from BETWEEN your spark gap (make sure it is stripped and exposed but not touching. This becomes your first control wire and is ?wrapped perpendicular of the collection wires.? I do not think direction of wrap is important. Similar to what you have done.
SPARK GAP: HIS WORDS:
Clue #1 Spark Gap
?The key to the KICK?S strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap.?
Clue #2 Spark Gap
?These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire.?
Clue #3 Spark Gap
?All these frequencies occasionally MET at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.?
Clue #4 Spark Gap (From the ?Parable?)
??and was worried that they all might arrive back at his castle together so he DISCONNECTED the return wire before any of them arrived home.?
??twisting and turning round and round when they noticed that their END CONNECTION was somehow gone..?
?it really was a case of either jump or be pushed.?
HOW IT works and what the controller needs to do. THIS IS THE UNDERSTANDING: After this we can experiment to our hearts content.
To MAKE the TPU function, a controller must be built that does the following:
1. Pulses (or straight, not sure which will be more effective) of High frequency (DON?T WORRY, he even told us which ones work!! LOL) The high frequency is pulsed FIRST into one of the 14 gage wires at the ?SPARK GAP? Traveling CLOCKWISE (might be opposite of what I write and be counter clockwise first, and will be easy to experiment and find out.) and THEN (here you have one of two choices, but one of them is the answer.)
CHOICE NUMBER 1:
The second wire is then given a pulse/input traveling in the OPPOSITE direction. This is what he calls a ?Harmonic? (Counterclockwise if the first collector wire received clockwise.)
The third overlaid collection coils then receives the input the same as the first.
His Words:
?LISTEN, you need to make three coils or so one on TOP of the other. There needs to be three of them all the way around. START THEM UP ONE AT A TIME each.
First Frequency then second harmonic component into the second (INPUT in opposite direction) then the third.
Choice Number 2: (THIS IS the one I would try FIRST. I think this is IT!!!)
Wires 1 through 3 are fed ONE AT A TIME, HIGH frequency in the ranges he told us and THEN wires 1 through 3 are fed ONE AT A TIME, ?Harmonics?. THIS IS the same frequency headed in the opposite direction. WHEN THEY MEET AT THE SPARK GAP you have (BIG KICK)
2. So now what you have are two separate and distinct, very high frequencies traveling on the SAME STRANDED WIRES in OPPOSITE directions. This will later give the unit it?s gyro like effect.
Clues: Same Wire Different Direction Clues in his words:
?The control frequencies are important in order to MAKE POWER from the collector?
?When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies COMBINED TOGETHER..?
?I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks.?
?But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is MORE then the power available to begin with.?
?ALL these frequencies OCCASIONALLY MET at the same time with a much larger KICK AT THE OUTPUT?
?The MULTIPLE frequencies TRAVELING AROUND the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort?
??it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire TRAVELING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS relating only to their potential power source. He even said that you could have DIFFERENT electron flow through a single wire completely separate from each other. I TRIED IT AND HE IS RIGHT!?
?In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies WITHIN THE SPACE of the collector coil?s (three separate ones!) CIRCUMFERENCE.?
?Rotation of field?How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be??
From the ?Parable?:
?but was more worried about them COLLIDING with each other in his castle?)
The above IS WHY THERE IS A GYRO EFFECT!
3. The PERMANENT MAGNET is positioned JUST ABOVE the ?SPARK GAP? to allow the weak magnetic field to turn all of those pesky electrons, into current for our use. IT IS BRILLIANT and UNBELIEVABLY simple. His own words tell us why it works. Remove the magnet and the unit simply stops putting out electrical power, ?winding down? as the last of the electrons exit once the magnet is removed!
4. 35K resonance. 35.705K frequency all the way to 245K HZ (one video he said that it put out high voltage and a little frequency about 5000 hz). This is the range his own words clued us. He is very good with words and electrons. He was wanting to give us details without them sounding like details. It is no wonder he was frustrated no one was listening. They heard but didn?t understand.
5. ?The frequency will change with the circumference of the coil.? In other words the frequency that works for the 4? may not work as well for a larger unit.
6. THE KILL SWITCH, please remember this in the controller. The kill switch need to cut ALL FREQUENCIES being input into both sides of the 3 collector coils!!
(NOTES: REMEMBER the collector?s wires are the smallest. Perhaps you could try one coil first to experiment. First control wire from the spark gap is larger and wrapped perpendicularly around THE INDIVIDUAL COIL, and the Second control wire is the largest and wraps around all of the colletors.)
?Through God ALL THINGS are possible!? ïÂÅ
Regards,
Bruce
PLEASE MAKE ALL REPLIES IN This is HOW THE TPU WORKS!!!! THREAD. THANK YOU!!
@ Ronotte,
Here it is, two wires and so parallel wound coil connected.
nong
@Btentzer,
Thanks very much to post here the fruits of your work.
I'm reading it, as many others I'm sure, many times...but there are some contraddictions as:
- you say that it's not a transformer...but then you say it needs a continuos frequencies input -> to have an output...so in a sense you are depicting just a transformer!
- the wire perpendicular to space between both inner collector coil end leads, (where there are NO SPARKS) in my opinion don't catch anything.....I may be wrong....so let us see: what there could be in that small space? an electric field? or a mag
field...either way the capture surface is so low that I think you cannot capture anything....but it's just a personal consideration.
- Again as the only input is the freq and there is not any other help (from outside coils) how can a potential be firstly auto-induced in the self collector? You say that the magnet will ease the electrons travelling I understand from one end to another...how you value it?
- The pulsing arrangement in the way you suggest is not understandable. Perhaps you mean that what is needed about to pulse each input in sequence with very, very narrow pulses (picoseconds...) as otherwise its impossible to make them crash togheter while in motion due to copper properties! If it is so is very very very difficult to do ...even for SM.
There are so many other things but for now it is enough.
Btentzer, I do appreciate your effort, please don't take it bad (no pun intended) I want only to fully understand what you are so kindly posted.
ronotte
Hi all,
let me give an encouragement to all that are duplicating my design. I do confirm my best cooperation to all.
ATTENTION:
This has to be considered ONLY A FIRST STEP, I'd like to point out that this step DOES NOT LEAD ITSELF TO OVERUNITY!.....may be considered as a demo, a start point from where to build on. So don't be so impatient to do now overunity measurements!
THIS STEP HAS ONLY THE TASK TO PROVE ONE TIME FOR ALL THAT IT IS REALLY POSSIBLE TO FIND POTENTIAL NOT FROM ELECTROSTATIC WAY & TAKE OUT POWER FROM A PIECE OF WIRE PUT @ 90 DEGREE FROM A CC COIL.
The way on is not easy but it's paved with many obstacles that we togheter will crack in a way or other: we indeed should see all the other effects that SM reported: turbine effect, heat, inertia effect, weight decrease etc.
I'm waiting for you to complete the first step in order to re-charge all of us and proceed.
For my side I'm waiting but at the same time developping, with Jacob help, the next evolution that this time is targeted to duplicate the up-mentioned effects: firts of all the so called 'turbine effect' i.e. kicks multiplication.
Best regards to all
ronotte
if in fact this is the right setup how could you achive overunity from your setup?
reading can never hurt anyone
is
:)
i have built the ring in your thred but not tested it yet
:)
Good for you IS. Hope you get a couple freq generators soon.
I was wondering if that stuff I sent you is helping in any way Ronotte?
It amazes me, that with your results more people are not building from your document.
Even mine probably won't be exact, upon my first build. The control circuitry yes, but the TPU itself will be a 15" since we have most data on that.
I will try to incorporate all physical construction clues SM has given us. 245khz, and 35khz will be used.. 15" with a lamp wire collector. Maybe tubes instead of mosfets, if I can figure out how to adapt the circuit. Everything else the same. I think it would be the next logical step from where you are at.
Dave is building to your exact specs I believe to verify your results. I'm anxious to see this.
power on the collector is amazing even if it's not OU, and tells us we have something of the construction correct.
Regards all,
Rich
Hi all,
Thanks Rich for your courtesy, it has been highly appreciated......right for next evolution.
To all: it seems that duplicating is not so easy so I'm here to ease every possible poroblems.....after tampering so long with this kind of circuitry I can say that I do know them with my eyes shutted.
Dave, I think that I will fix your setup in less time than you may think.
Today I've completed the next ring wiring & labelling and actually I'm doing some documentations, I'm almost ready to put it in operation...after the electronics circuitry completion....trying a CLOSED LOOP.
I do know in advance it will not be easy...I'm prepared.....but that's the fun part of the game I do like.
Roberto
@Roberto Do you have any inkling as to how the system will become self sustaining? I understand crawl before walk, but given the time you have into this, I was just wandering about theories you might have. It would be easier on you guys if we had an idea of what kind of energy SM's unit tapped into, and yes I know that even he didn't have an idea. It would be like building a solar cell and accidentally having it in the sun.
@gn0stik I would be building one however I lask the test eq to be of much use, I have no scopes and the such.
Hi all,
I confirm that my new setup is almost ready. I think that today I'll begin a step by step testing.
The new setup is 90% different from the previous one (the aim were to check possibility of power extraction from a lead at 90 degrees), it does retain: the inner collector and the controrotating mag fields. The rot mag fieds will be now at a much lower frequency they will be set @ Shuman frequencies. As you see we (me & Jacob) are now targeting the SM operations.
This approach, has been proposed some time ago also by Marco (.....which posted a very good theory...) , I tried it......but did not had anything at that time.
I do hope that this time we will succeed as now we have a complete understandable & meaningfull situation reference frame also according to Reconnection theory. As per 'closing the loop' we have many choices' : I've to test them.
As usual, after at least the first theory confirmations, I'll post here every details.
So be patience, do replicate my first design: it is really important because it will permit you, as it has been for myself, to understand what's really happening in TPU...not going on with 'shutted eyes'.
Best regards to all
Roberto
@Roberto,
Today I had test TPU. Thank you for you sharing information.
Ah! finally someone replicated.
Nong, if you don't mind... what were your results?
Rich
My result was ...... ::) My circuit wasnot complete as Roberto did.
And I got :-*
Your result is what? and you got kissed?
please, less emoticons, more words.
The best I can make of your response is that your circuit was not complete and you didn't get very good results?
Rich
I couldnot find 7307. So my circuit wasnot good to drive mosfet. My input 330kHz frequency wasnot high enought. When I increased higher frequency, the mosfet was not good repondence. :P
I see, much better explanation. Well, I'm sure roberto will be here in short order to help out.
Regards,
Rich
Hi all,
sorry for not answering but at the moment I'm outside Italy. I will come back whithin 2 days and will answer all questions.
Roberto
@Nong,
I'm glad you are in the final stage. Please don't try to use frequencies under MHz range (for F1)...that's because in this design the control coils have low inductance and to reach proper resonance the F1 should be in the range 700KHz - 1.4MHz (so F2 is automatically 350KHz - 700KHz).
In order to reach said freq it is necessary to use MOSFET drivers...but you can try other suitable solutions (COSMOS complementary driver, transitors,....).
Roberto
@Roberto
As you know, RE is generated mostly on the leading edge of a pulse. Most everything we work with in this free energy field has to do with capturing the BEMF (not RE) which occurs at a pulse trailing edge. This approach will always give underunity. I think we will never get an overunity device until we get away from the BEMF and start trying to convert the energy at the pulse leading edge. To get power out we must convert the leading edge RE.
@Mflynn44,
I'm now pursuing what I do think is the next evolution of my design. It just started from the previous end and builds towards it's natural end which is in my opinion nearer to TPU as intended by SM. As soon as I will have some lights I'll post it.
In the mean time there's at least one duplication of my work just here in Italy so I do invite Mauro to let us know his initial partial results. He's anyway in the right track...just following what I posted. (2magclashTPU document).
Best regards to all
Roberto
Hi all,
preliminary results are:
for the good side
- release of much heat coming from the ring (not prevoiusly experienced)
- presence of 5KHz component (from the ring) as seen on SM demo
- presence of 8 HZ tick noise (from the ring)
for the bad side
- only capacitive coupling seen for now on inner collector (waveform with sagged top & bottom)
- tried several way to close the loop without succeeding in!
Roberto
Intersting Roberto,
Have you tried to tickle the ring with a neo magnet yet? try it at a coil junction if you have not.
Hi Carl,
I have had till now only little time to do tests but yes I put a Neo magnet on the coils and:
- it jerks @ 7 Hz (augmenting the same noise coming from the coils)
- it squeals emitting loud a freq.
Carl, Mflinn44, I forgot to say that now I do have spikes ON LEADING WAVEFORM EDGE, I'm speaking of about 50 -60V
Roberto
Thank you Roberto for your kindness to human kind, I think you?re an evolutioned human being, a people like you should have a place in history, (and it would probably happen). I think that as the fastest you share the info the best for your security. I don?t understand of electronics but I hope one day people like me could find an easy manual that can be followed succesfully.
From the bottom of my heart and of the human kind:
Thanks Again
Jorge
@Jorgerojo,
wellcome on board!
@Jacob,
I do hope that your problem is OVER. If possible please get in touch.
Roberto
Hi all,
the fact that I don't post doesn't mean I'm not working. I'm following my way which as you have seen is different from Otto's...that's the beauty of being many aiming at the same target.
In the first I thought I were near to obtain what searched but.......it's not so.... there is the necessity to have new ideas and build on them.
At the moment the new TPU I did is not performing as expected in particular I've difficulties in 'closing the loop' i.e. obtaining a burst of kicks (now I see only 1 kick and not so big..... on leading edge of the collector waveform ). On the positive side there's the fact that the trailing edge of this kick is similar to an half of sinusoide...this is weird.....( I will post a picture of it) I have to extrapolate the associated freq and made it resonating!?....(I'm pulsing my standard setup with 8Hz -16Hz and 35 KHz freq).
AS you may understand much work is still to be done...your help never as now is wellcomed.
Regards to all
Roberto
Roberto, thank you. :)
@ reberto
when you make a 50 turn or so coil and put a freq in to it on a scop and you make it ring what freq might it be
and now if you take that freq for that coil where it rings and break it into 2 freqs off by 10 hz or so and you pluse that same coil with 1 freq from 1 end of the coil and from the other end of that same coil the other freq will it not ring?
the kick back should harmonize with the other freq you are plusing is that right? and it should ring in return to the ring you should produce many kicks in to the collector
am i wrong?
is
@IS
what you say is interesting...I never made a test like that you suggest. Anyway I don't know if is is possible to pulse both end of a coil with two oscillators without tampering the oscillators themselves....let me think..
Roberto
Hi guys.
have we a piccie of these 'kicks'? or what they should resemble?
my latest attempt attached, still using my sound card (sorry) but
don't know what i'm looking at. looking at the spectrum it seems
to peak bang on 5khz. anyway, going home now, have fun.
Hi twosox:
Just a quick warning for you using your sound card. When you hit a resonant frequency for your coil, it is not uncommon to have >250v spikes. That is going to toast your card. Been there with two of them. I just bought a dual channel tek scope and danged if I didn't blow one out already. Probe is good to 600v and poof!
Just protect your self by turning down the amplitude a bit on the signal gen.
suggie
Is it Possible that SM used this Outer Wrap as a DELAY LINE or a MODULATOR to SMASH Frequencies together.
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@ twosox
that tpu drawing looks likes Rosphere
is that what you based it on?
wer
Dear Roberto,
Thank's a lot for your groundbreaking experiment !
I'm still amazed by the hundreds volts you're getting in your set up !
I'll try to replicate your first design but I have few questions about it:
1) why do you connect the collectors to the + 15 V (is it for a kind of polarisation purpose ?) and to the rotating field coils ??
2) where do you apply the whistler wave ?
thank's again,
PLT
Hi PLT,
I'm glad you are trying to replicate the design.
1 - It is not clear what you mean. The connection to +15V is necessary to allow MOSFET switching and so to have the rotating mag fields.
2 - In this first design there is not a whistler coil. I'm just testing it now! Practically I've added a new rot mag set of coils resonant to whistler wave ( 30 -35 KHz). Please take in account that this new design is much different and still does not deliver expected output. So for you is better start with the initial project in order to see de-visu what happen.
Regards
Roberto
@weri812
I think it was, i can't remember now. couple of things i've noticed, if the outer coil is disconnected (put a break in it) the scope goes quiet and no combination of frequencies gives me the same as when its a closed loop. a cap across the outer coil makes the spikes bigger but smooths out the ringing between pulses.
@SUGRA, sound advice (pun intended, lol) input to the coil at 50% or less.
Dear Roberto,
Thank for reply !
I was not clear enough, sorry .
I wonder why the collector coils are connected to the + 15 V ? I understand that the control coils need to be connected to the power supply in order to get two rotating fields but why the collector coils ? If power is really induced in the collector coils by the magnetic reconnection events then we should be able to see that kick without any direct connection to a power supply, isn't it ?
About the inner collector coil, did you wire it on the external diameter of your wood torus ?
All the best,
PLT
Hi PLT,
now I understand what you mean and I'm glad you rose that question: why connect the Inner Collector to a + VDC.?
1 - well this has been done to provide a steady DC current path ....hence an EM field...which is necessary (according to current theories) to transform back the stored 'torsion field' to EM field enabling power extraction. Extracted power has been about 10W.
2 - See what I documented on the inner collector with disconnected ends.
3 - In the next evolution I'll try as well the inner collector alone.
4 - The inner collector coil has been wired along the median line of the annular wooden support.
Roberto
Hi Roberto,
Woww... Thank you for your explaination and experiment. :)
I connected the inner collector to ground. lol
Nong
@Nong,
I did that...obtaining NOTHING.
How is going your replication?
Roberto
Dear Roberto,
Thank's a lot !
Another question:
- from your experiment it seems that F1 and F2 should have a phase relationship (ie it must be an exact harmonic and thus should come from just one oscillator) so does that mean that the physical place where the reconnection will happen will always be the same on the ring ? Is it a that particular point that we should put the Whistler wave coil ?
All the best,
PLT
Hi PLT,
your observation is of course correct. Using only one oscillator phase relation is fixed........but there I've found the maximum output.
The whistler wave is a catalyst and it's necessary and could be seen as a way to start/maintain the TPU process. I do actually experimenting in this way, the problem is that it's not clear how much catalyst field it's necessary!...probably all the tpu shoul be immersed in a high voltage catalyst field.
Best regards
Roberto
Hi Roberto,
Thank you for asking. my mosfet was slow.
I did a small unit for learning. A bit change your circuit
and ...got short circuit :P
nong
Hello ronotte,
2 quick ;) questions:
1.) In the 2magclashtpu document you give the dimensions of your first TPU as
Inner diameter 18,0 cm ( ~7")
Outer diameter 23,0 cm (~9")
Why did you choose these dimensions?
2.) In your experiments you found a reaction at the NMR frequency of 5 MHz.
What would you consider the ideal diameter for the (inner) collector loop (i.e. loop antenna diameter) for 5 MHz?
Hi Gustav,
1 - no special reasons, just I wanted to ease my winding work.
2 - This is really interesting as I've thought to put that NMR freq in resonance in order to see if I could obtain a significative power output. I did some experiments...I am an old Ham and do know very well mag-loop-antenna but after some time I did not go on as Jacob told me to pursue the catalyst way, so I stopped the NMR enhancement study. Anyway as you can see from the pictures in 2magclashtpu the NMR swing is actually (on 3 turns Litz inner collector) high: more than 100V if I remember well on first swing. I do think that properly tuning the Inner collector on 5 MHz much more continous power could be extracted...it seems that none is following this route...I don't know why.
Roberto
Hi Roberto,
thanks for your answer.
Quote from: ronotte on May 14, 2007, 05:19:55 AM
...I... do know very well mag-loop-antenna but after some time I did not go on as Jacob told me to pursue the catalyst way, so I stopped the NMR enhancement study.
I understand, but I don't think that the
- NMR effect and the
- magnetic reconnection effect
are mutually exclusive. To the contrary. I think both effects have to work together.
After all you need two magnetic fields to get magnetic reconnection and the the NMR effect gives you one field FOR FREE.
Prendi 3 paghi 2
edit: "Prendi 3 paghi 2" is italian and means something like "pay for 2 and get 1 for free"
Hi Gustav,
QuotePrendi 3 paghi 2
I do completely agree with you.
Actually I remember that one test I already did were just 'resonating' the Inner collector, I used a 3Kpf/1000V capacitor, I obtained a continous 5MHz wave with an amplitude of about 150 -200V...SOUND
INTERESTING!!!!???...He He.....There were a problem: the tuning capacitor within few seconds were so hot to be not touchable......so I stopped tests as I did not find at the moment a suitable capacitor in the junk box. I know that it seems incredible but till now re-thinking to the fact I don't find reasons for what happened....the capacitor seems still good....so I thought too much internal losses!!! ...or what other?
After that I'd to build the tpu evolution so I thought to do later additional tests (I do have still the original test ring).
So now you know the story behind.
Roberto
Dear Roberto,
Yes, the 5 MHz component looks very interesting and I don't understand why the cap got hot ...perhaps a combination of DC and HV AC that bother it ?
I'm concern about the safety of my DC power supply, did you put a diode in serial with it to prevent the HV spikes to got backwards ?
All the best,
PLT
Dear PLT,
Yes there is always a diode in series to my Power Supply!!!!
Anyway remember to choose a FAST diode (very low recovery time.....) with at least 1000V piv (like BYVxxx....).
Ciao
Roberto
Hi,
I try to understand the TPU:
It is a toroid "transformer" with a non magnetic and non conductive core. There is a few windings on this which is loaded with two different high frequencies. At some points in time, two coils is inducing the exact opposite magnetic fields, causing induction in a collector coil.
I was reading the document earlier in this thread, but I lost it after a few pages - I lost it right AFTER the point where I should go directly to jail without passing Go and without collecting 200 dollars :-))
Well, I did believe the magnetic field between two opposite magnetic fields is zero, but as this is high frequency, the magnetic field is some how compressed due to the magnetic wavelength (?), right?
And where this happens, ther is energy extracted?
OK, I'll read the document once more :-)
Br.
Vidar
Dear Ronotte
As I know, you have realized a practical mean to couple two fields 90 deg out of phase by cancellation.My question is:the induction on the secondary winding follow the rules of a common transformer?The polarities manifesting on the terminals of the secondary are equal or in opposition to the ones of the primary?
Thank you.
Regards,
Cyrano
Hi Cyrano,
If you take a look to pictures in last two pages of my document 2magclashtpu, you will have an idea of the relationship between inner collector and control coils I can only add that if I increase PS voltage in a near linear way I've a linear increase of output (this is true for PS voltages between +12 - 18V).
Roberto
Hi Roberto,
Are you by any chance between Genoa and Como?
Are you by any chance an amateur radio operator and going to HR2007?
Regards, Earl
Hi Earl,
- no I'm just off Rome.
- Yes I'm an amateur radio (I0LY) but now due to many problems I'm in stand-by.
Regards, Roberto
Hello Roberto,
Wanted to asked and I gift somebody else he took me forward.
Congratulations! Is can noticed that ham spirit
Best regards,
73 de YO7HSV - Victor
Ah the world of AR. I listen in on the world all the time via ICOM 718. No call sign so only listen but in the works to build a tube system and go back to the roots of HAM Radio. Nothing like making it yourself.
sugra
@sugra
I am the beginner. Listen with Kenwood TS 830S. I agree, nothing can't compare with tubes. Enjoys me existence you here.
I believe as TPU from Steven Mark, operate same with one MAGNETIC LOOP ANTENNA combination with something else.
:) 73!
Hi all,
I personally do want to thanks everybody for the kind word you wrote me. I'm only sorry I've not had the chance to do it before because only doday I'm back home.
What I'm doing is just in the spirit of sharing any useful knowledge with all that are interested.
Please, if you believer in me, do support in every way, even with only words Otto's work.
You know I'm serious, I don't make unuseful speechings, but believe me: my work is so near to what my friend Otto is doing!!! I fully understand it and say: let's help him!!!! For my side I'm already doing it.
Roberto
Hello all,
@Roberto
thanks a lot.
Otto
Hello Roberto,
I would like to say "Kob Kun Maaak Ka" in my language,
means "Thank you very much". :)
I believe in you, honest experimenter.
nong, beginner.....alway being :D