Did that get your attention? Good. :)
Does anyone "really" know how this works, or shall i say how it is supposed to work?
I see sketchy tidbits here and there that are entire inconclusive some of which impress me are simply incorrect and I get the impression that this is a putz project or a guessing game.
I watched all the videos and there are a few things that I found questionable.
I noticed that it got hot on him, if this is a zero point energy device why did it get hot?
The part where they cut it apart looked like they had it already cut all the way through and only had a tiny bit to finish which would explain the aappearance of it being cut fast.
Horrible quality of the videos do not allow for anyone to really see anything.
His large unit had a box in the center which could have held nickel metal hydrides.
Does anyone have a concise compilation of data on how this thing is supposed to work. I would appreciate if anyone has that data to post it so I can review it.
I do believe in scalar and zero point but I am not so sure this device has harnessed it.
Now if you guys were building a renerator I can see the theory and how that could be easily made to work, but not the marks device from the info I have been able to dig out of the posts on this site so far.
So anyway maybe one of you guys can give me something I can really chew on because it would no doubt be cool if this were real, but I have yet been able to come to that conclusion.
cheers!
hey joe,
finally, here is a question i can answer. nope. but alot of people are actually trying, at least to do the experiments and find the answers that we need to make a steven marks tpu a reality. whether steven marks ever had a working device or not seems irrelevant to me. buck rogers really didn't have a working rocket ship. but that doesn't mean that it can't be done. new discoveries are being made everyday. i think that time will sort this out. and what i also think is that when it is sorted out, we will all find that it was just misinterpretation of knowledge, that got perpetuated, through time because, we really only needed a part of the knowledge at the point of discovery.
let me give you an example, if you don't like the huge spike of electricity that comes back on you when you open a dc switch, simply switch to ac. problem solved. now all we have to do is teach a few generations of electricians and linesmen this and the myth of the horrible highvoltage dc, is only good for killing you. why else would anyone want it. but if you take a closer look at what i believe tesla was doing you might see he was coming up with other solutions to the problem. like what if you take the high voltage dc current that can kill you and run that straight to ground, in other words store it safely in the earth until you are ready to use it and then just like a radio of sorts have a reciever pull the voltage back out where you need it. at the point of use. another problem solved, but how do you meter it.
another example for you electronics guys, lets say you have a pesty little problem with high frequency static every time you try to listen to the radio in a thunderstorm. solution just filter it out. hook up the resistors capacitors and stuff and you can filter the stuff out that you don't want, now teach this "knowledge" to a few generations in electronics school, and it turns into filters that can be used to really thump the bass for the hip hoppers, and that is the only good reason to have this "knowledge" but is it. what other benefits of this high frequency stuff have been overlooked, because their was simply no use for the real knowledge at the time. in other words the real "knowledge might have been discovered already just not taught.
i think we will find the answers to this pesty little tpu problem, and relatively speaking in a very short time. does anyone here, other than steven marks even claim to have a working tpu? nope, but what does it really matter, at least we are getting a harvard education in everything from electronics to overlooked electrical theory, and tecnical hands on experimentation.
lol
sam
ps. it is going to happen whether we do it or not, it simply has to. the old gives way to the new and the world goes on, as my granddad always used to say.
Quote from: kokomoj0 on April 29, 2007, 08:10:56 AM
Now if you guys were building a renerator I can see the theory and how that could be easily made to work, but not the marks device from the info I have been able to dig out of the posts on this site so far.
Hello kokomoj0,
I would like to read your thoughts on the renerator if you do not mind. I find that circuit intriquing but so far I have not found any working replications on it. So at least maybe a theory of yours would do it.
Thanks
Gyula
Fair enough Sam!
One thing that I hope everyone is aware of is the lack of anything to really go on to build the device. If its patented some where its not to be found, at least by me. There is "so" much that is wrong with is videos I really do not know where to start. They really do look fake.
I mean think about it.
White led's in the bulbs, a voltage dropper in the lamps he plugged into the wall, did not use clear bulbs in any test, the engineers he had over were probably his buddies, the only thing he will patent is the control, then on this site after wading through about 20 pages I came to the conclusion these guys are just playing a little game of cat and mouse sharade.
The problem is that it just seems fake on so many levels so I wrote steves device off unless someone can actually show me something that works and post some real drawings of it to play with. Its not bad enough that governments suppress this stuff and worse when inventers play games like this. If he didnt want to share it then why bother, (that is "IF" its even real to begin with).
Hey I do keep an open mind and I am sure some day someone will build a sweet zero point device, I just do not think SM is the guy who has accomplished that, at least not from the evidence I have seen so far and the way he has handled this.
Thanks for the straight up answer!
NOPE i'm a poo humble servent to the robber barrons
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Hello kokomoj0,
I would like to read your thoughts on the renerator if you do not mind. I find that circuit intriquing but so far I have not found any working replications on it. So at least maybe a theory of yours would do it.
Thanks
Gyula
Each toroid has 2 coils:
For lack of a better term: A reverser to clamp the magnetic field and a secondary for the pulse output.
Then by using 2 coils you can tap a trigger pulse from the output of the opposite coil to trigger the collapse in a flip flop action.
Set it up for resonance to maximize the power out and it should generate power quite well.
The coil on either side of the magnet is wound so when it gets a trigger pulse it momentarily reduces the field of the magnet then when the pulse goes to zero the magnet feild goes back thus a generator output.
The secondary is wound so that the flux is in series with the magnet.
Personally I plan to use a switching device for the trigger and pump a square wave into it rather than a sine as it should be more effective. Then just connect the outputs together in parralell for a full wave output.
Now if SM was using this design where it pulls its power off of the magnets i can see it working very easily. However the approach that is being taken on it from what I have seen so far leaves me empty inside.
Here is a pic of it
If the devices are fake why stay silent after ten years of fooling people? People that create these kinds of massive gags are braggers. So, not one "friend" came forward to give up the gag? Your explaination seems to say, "the technology isn't difficult it was just demonstrated by difficult people."
I'm a very skeptical person myself and the heat is no doubt wasted energy, but it isn't clear why or even if the heat is localized. If it used batteries the heat would come from the batteries! Instead the video implies the heat is around the toroid.
If the people are fake then one could easily say the power was transmitted. Now we have fake people and expensive equipment to pull off a hoax that isn't even bragged about? What is the point then?
Quote from: bitRAKE on April 29, 2007, 03:48:18 PM
If the devices are fake why stay silent after ten years of fooling people? People that create these kinds of massive gags are braggers. So, not one "friend" came forward to give up the gag? Your explaination seems to say, "the technology isn't difficult it was just demonstrated by difficult people."
I'm a very skeptical person myself and the heat is no doubt wasted energy, but it isn't clear why or even if the heat is localized. If it used batteries the heat would come from the batteries! Instead the video implies the heat is around the toroid.
If the people are fake then one could easily say the power was transmitted. Now we have fake people and expensive equipment to pull off a hoax that isn't even bragged about? What is the point then?
1997 was right before the tech-wreck in the stock market. 5 years prior to that the situation was running up with blind investing. Easy money was all around. A lot of smoke and mirror companys were popping up. An investing firm told my partner and I to just turn our designs over to the capital investors for the 24 million and walk away. Leave the marketing problem in their laps.
--giantkiller. For what it's worth.
@giantkiller .. are u saying SM sold his invention to a company for a huge amount of cash (in the millions) .. and thats why he doesnt want to "really" talk about it .. because he doesnt own the rights to the technology anymore?
if thats the case, maybe the videos were marketing presentations for internal company (UEC) usage to present to potential stake holders, and they were leaked out. .. i would have to say UEC has done a poor job of marketing or developing this product. (maybe that WAS the purpose behind the theoretical acquisition, to purchase it and then just sit on the technology)
i dont think all the market variations have anything to do with it .. if anybody who had seen those vids or demonstration (even during USA's recession 2000-2002) would have wanted to put money on this product.
devilzangel
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"Argue for your limitations and you get to keep them"
Richard Bach
Quote from: kokomoj0 on April 29, 2007, 02:53:05 PM
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Hello kokomoj0,
I would like to read your thoughts on the renerator if you do not mind. I find that circuit intriquing but so far I have not found any working replications on it. So at least maybe a theory of yours would do it.
Thanks
Gyula
Each toroid has 2 coils:
For lack of a better term: A reverser to clamp the magnetic field and a secondary for the pulse output.
Then by using 2 coils you can tap a trigger pulse from the output of the opposite coil to trigger the collapse in a flip flop action.
Set it up for resonance to maximize the power out and it should generate power quite well.
The coil on either side of the magnet is wound so when it gets a trigger pulse it momentarily reduces the field of the magnet then when the pulse goes to zero the magnet feild goes back thus a generator output.
The secondary is wound so that the flux is in series with the magnet.
Personally I plan to use a switching device for the trigger and pump a square wave into it rather than a sine as it should be more effective. Then just connect the outputs together in parralell for a full wave output.
Now if SM was using this design where it pulls its power off of the magnets i can see it working very easily. However the approach that is being taken on it from what I have seen so far leaves me empty inside.
Here is a pic of it
Hi kokomoj0,
Thanks for your answer but unfortunately, I have not been "cleverer" by it than I was, sorry to say this. This topic was dealt with in this Forum last year, what is more, an updated circuit schematics was shown too, I do not know if you are aware of that?
See these link here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg16680.html#msg16680
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg17111.html#msg17111
(quote from lynx2000nl):
The energy collected to use and to fire up the 2nd circuit is the energy produced by the KICK of the magnetic field stabelising after the actuator pulse was given. As we all know, a magnet distributes his field lightnig fast to the surrounding it is. So after the actuator pulse was given, the magnetic field instantaniously returns, giving us the KICK ! My main problem with this explanation is that the input power you pump into the actuator coil is able to disturb the permanent magnet's field to an amount equal (or rather less due to losses) to the energy the permanent magnet is able to return through induction into the coils. How can you receive more output from this process? Can you explain?
Thanks
Gyula
Quote from: Mannix on April 30, 2007, 05:02:19 AM
"Argue for your limitations and you get to keep them"
Richard Bach
hello Mannix
nice quote, here are two more
"The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
"A truth that's told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent."
- William Blake
it was a simple speculation, a more simple answer would have sufficed.
devilzangel
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Hello all,
did you ever think about a TPU as 2 tornados (rotational magnetic fields) rotating in opposite directions?? 1 Tornado in CW direction and the other in CCW direction.
Otto
Otto,
Yes i have ;)
or two in one direction and one in the other direction
well i see a lot of people overlooking a very fundamental issu.
In order to get power out of anything there has to be a movement of something or a reaction of something.
In electricity, electron flow, opposite directions cancel out. that would be the vector sum.
the only way you can get over unity out of any device in my humble opinion is to trigger one side with a little energy and take the opposite polarity reaction out as your source. Thinking nueman motor. he has large mass, one thing i noted everything tesla did was huge too as a side thought.
So what i do not see in your tpu play is anyone getting rid of the back emf as in the renerator. Next everyone is using one ring and you need two imo.
If i were to attempt a sm ring i would use 2 of them identical and configure them like the renerator replacing the renerrator magnets with primary coils then insuring that the regen pulse was used as the output. which is to say an oscillatory regen action and see if that yeilds more energy out with one coil retracting and the other pushing sijmultaneoulsy.
you guys are trying to get this to occur simultaneoulsy in the same singular medium which to me seems unlikely to ever be successful.
Some of you guys are going to nuke yourself with this stuff imo. There is no amount of 3rd 5th and 50th harmonics that are going get over unity imo unless it is 1/2 cycled and the other half of the cycle can be triggered with less energy than the output.
for the question about the renerator, if it cannot be set into oscillation, that is biased oscillation as a result of resonance, i frankly do not see it working significantly over unity either, so likewise that renerator needs to be set into oscillation to give some value of over unity.
i apologize if i bring up old subjects as i am definitely a newbee to this forum and subject so that is my quick looksie at it.
personally before i went mag less i would get a renerator working first, baby steps before leaps. then go for the magless version.
Here is what i see is needed.
1) 2 coils
2) use the pulse from one to trigger the other in a flip flop config
3) use the opposite pulse as the out put
4) disturb the the rotating feild with a small pulse from the opposite coill
5) must get oscillation as a result of the pulse trigger
This is what i believe will yeild over unity.
Worst case if over unity cannot be achieved just making an extremely efficient generator would be a great leap for mankind as well...
again just mu humble opinionm.
edit: deleted, magnet flow and tornado as they would simply divert from that statement it was an error srry added vector sum
High efficient motor or as generator:
between 92 and 98%:
Robert Fradella,1976 !!!
Roy Kessinger
Joerg Bobzin
Helmut Schiller
There is not more the need to optimize the "non-plus-ultra",
but what we are doing is to realize in material manner what is known,
in the virtual,cybernetic world, as "ATTRAKTOR" and not an actuator !
S
dL
Quote from: Grumpy on April 30, 2007, 09:00:10 AM
or two in one direction and one in the other direction
i like that grumpy what if there was 4 rings but only 3 were copper?
humm....
is
another thing i should add that is food for thought. so now we have this pulse and that pulse has to maintain its value till it can be drawn off. again thinking neuman motor. it seems to me that a soft iron core of some type as a storage would would work. in an air core the feilds tend to collapse very fast, thus will not retain to much energy. iron cores will hold that energy longer but result in lower frequencies. so it is a trade off.
but do you guys see what i mean about tickling something? Another example is teslas aether collector. he had a switch on it to a lower potential and by toggling that switch continually disturbed lets say "stuff" as an over all term.
i was thinking about this energy last night that is all around us in the cosmos and it seems to me to capture it one must disturb it some how. In addition to be efficient one must tune it somehow which usually involves resonance on some level, or at least that is all i can think of to achieve this.
next if we want to do scalar etc and longitudinal waves it seems to me that length now would come into play somewhere as well.
cooks bars were 6 ft, that 6 ft number keeps popping up it seems which i would think all the harmonic lengths would as well.
anyway just thought i would pop on here and drop another dime, i may be all wet but then again maybe food for thought.
Hello tpu peeps,
i stole this from IH's HHO thread and thought i would bring it here as you may find this usfull in working with your tpu's. So the credits goes to IH.
Worth a peek me thinks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5OhZ9wT568
wow ... also looked at a few more of the ferro liquid vids .. i must say ... KEWL .. isn't that what they use in the x-files for the "alien" dark oil?? lol ..
pretty interesting patterns forming. pretty neat way to visualize the EM structures.
Not sure if there is a place for this so i just put it here.
This is a tiny free energy demo using 2 stationary opposing magnets. has anyont tried this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGEsVaIftk&mode=related&search=
My thoughts watching one the Steven Mark's videos: Holding the smaller device the user comments "it has slight gyro effect, vibration, buzzing noise".
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=167210479374903373&q=Steve+Mark+Generator&hl=en
Steven Marks mentions it is a solid state device with NO moving parts; how do you get a gyro effect with solid state parts? Does it really matter? Do you think we will ever see it being sold (in the future) at Home Depot or Lowes?
Henry77
Collapsing field effect of 2 fields (field/anti-field).
Or we could say 2 waves (wave/anti-wave) if you want to call it that.
Fields combine in phase to give constructive interference? when the coils are oscillated at resonant frequency.
Finding the right phase offset to magnify the Lenz effect could be matter of timing.
== OU
Am I way off in my thinking?
I was just reading about gyroscopes in Joseph Newman's book.
Here's my version on how it might work.
Hope you can get something usefull off it.
If you're interested I've been working on an UFT, though it has been a while since I last updated it. (Gravity is a pain in the butt to explain :-\)
It's located on my homepage: www.thedane.dk