Hey guys,
I am new here ;D.. Thanks Duff for the link, I found the "Magnetic Amplifier" book quite interesting. http://triodetubes.com/content/view/5/6/
I know, this section has many, many pages of posts .. So forgive me if I repeat a question (or two).
I have watched all the vids of the TPU, read most of the posts relating to Mannix and SM, and have read the recent pdf upload on the yahoo groups site on how to build a power coil.
1. There is also a vid of this young looking guy in a dorm (possibly) who is demonstrating a TPU like SM did with a bulb, anybody have a clue about this??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6M5vke-u8
2. Does anybody have a theoretical explanation for how the TPU device would work without a small battery to provide initial drive for the coils??? .. HOW is the switch that the guy (i presume is SM) is using to ?energize" the TPU connected to the TPU???
3. If it has a battery in it, it would be a conversion device; Amplifying power that is artificially introduced into the system. But, if it doesn?t have an initial battery, then it would be very special bc it would be somehow drawing energy from the orientation of the magnetic fields itself.
4. I find this to be a common number in many things .. 3 coils .. Sounds similar to the octahedral "antenna" system mentioned in Montauk subjects .. coils X, Y, Z.
5. In the posts, Mannix (i think it is Mannix) says he has given enough info in them to allow a reader to build a TPU. If the guys who have read his posts a few or more times could please provide an abridged list of all the tech info related to the TPU building in his posts (sort of like an inventory), it would make it much easier for the experimenters to use it as a guide.
6. All in all though, I am a bit disappointed that there are millions of people in the world today that can use this type of "free energy" (and by free I mean "don't have to pay anyone") .. But the inventor(s) manage to be very ambiguous (possibly due to matters out of their control), and spend their time arguing about who is to blame for disinformation, discrediting, fraudulent investment scams etc. (while millions live in poverty; without light, food, and water because those regions don't have enough power to let the inhabitants reap natural benefits)
7. Has anyone tried to use ceramics to help with the heat (well this is jumping the gun considering no one has a "working" TPU here). yes i have read one of the posts saying that any cooling method wont help (fan cooling), but does that mean even liquid nitro wont help??? lol. .. Ceramics should be given a try. The heat may be a by product of the "inefficient" manner in which the energy is being extracted; Maybe a better layout/positioning of the coils, and precise windings will help solve or minimize this heat build-up.
8. If I were SM, (which I am not), and this was legitimate technology ..then I would have written a book on this already!!! .. In the videos, he seems to be living very nicely .. marble floors .. common .. By all means, do live nicely (I have nothing against that), but please further the human civilization while you are at it, will you.
(ok i am ready for my spanking ;D)
devilzangel
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o ... forgot to mention one more thing ..
superconducting wire .. i wonder how that would affect the power output, and device design
http://www.amsuper.com/products/htsWire/index.cfm
devilzangel
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i don't know .. all the posts in this section talk about normal copper wire coils .. but what about Bearden's comments on doped copper .. i think he mentioned it in his "the last secret of free energy"(1993) (sorry don't remember exactly, read it a while back)
would making all the coils, or just the collector coil out of doped copper make the difference??
devilzangel
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I know who the guy, in what you call a dorm, is. The demonstration is fake and only done to show how easy it is to fool the average person.....
trust me....FAKE it is not a tpu like SM's!
Robert
^^^ ahh .. thanks for clearing that up.. do u know how it was hoaxed?
devilzangel
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@ devilzangel
If you want to know everything there is to know about the tpu (which is NOT enough for anyone to replicate yet....) I suggest you have a look at www.gn0sis.com (0=zero!)
I saw your posted videos from Butch Lafonte on youtube. Have you got any more info on how it is supposed to function?
Sorry for this being off topic here.....
Robert
hehe .. yes i am also a recent member of gnosis.com .. i am currently rereading everything by tom bearden to gain a better perspective of EM workings (like u say, wat ever info we have on the SM TPU is not really "enough" to really create a functioning TPU, one would have to incorporate one's own expertise.)
> do u know how the TPU in the non-SM vid was "hoaxed"?
i am not associated with the La Fonte Group, but i do believe (from what Butch has written) that Butch will be adding more to the news when he gets the test results.
devilzangel
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Never exactly asked how he done it. Probably a dc converter or step up transformer run from a battery somewhere hidden in the coil. if you really wanna know it is the user CTGLABS who is on here and Gn0sis....
Robert
thanks for the info ..
after much reading and thinking, i find myself believing that some powerful corps are suppressing inventive technology. I hate to delve in conspiracy, but how do u explain the sudden "cold feet" of a major breakthrough being announced.
the energy giants keep close tabs on all energy related research and development. As soon as an inventor steps into that "intellectual" community to validate the invention, they get to be humiliated, criticized, stripped of all professional degrees, and called a "hoax-ster" (while on the back end, they are forced to either sell the invention to them, or to die ... i wonder which option will be picked)
ex. SM .. unless someone can provide evidence to the contrary, i do think he has been suppressed (or fooled) into selling his innovation/invention to a dummy corp that has close ties to the energy giants, who have stalled all further research/development and commercialization of the SM TPU. Could be he might have realized it too late.
i mean come on .. it is 2007 for god sake, the Vids he made were from 10 years ago.
it is like Oil .. we the public want the oil prices to drop .. but wait there are the guys who have oil stocks .. they don't want the prices to fall, they want the oil prices to go higher and higher so they can pull in higher returns. Trillions are at stake.
they might not be able to control youtube though .. lmfao.
devilzangel - only a revolution will bring forth the next evolution in humanity.
devilzangel
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Oil prices need to stay at a reasonable level otherwise alternate energy will seem cheaper in comparison and the market will veer away from gasoline. It is in the oil companies' best interests to avoid raising oil prices too much so that demand remains high.
hey Drwhat,
yes, to an extent .. how do u think Exxon Mobil (the most profitable company in the world) managed to show HUGE profits last year? .. They didn't do it by being charitable, thats for sure.
when you go to a gas pump, u will most probably see a sign saying 10% Ethanol. why isn't the price of gasoline dropping? because for the most part, the oil companies know they have no REAL competition yet; they are increasing their margins.
alternative energy IS cheaper in comparison .. the oil price doesnt need to skyrocket for the general public to see that. The biggest alternative energy at the moment besides oil and coal is hydro-electricity via Dams .. USA knows since it has so many of them. Although that will power our homes .. it wont power billions of cars that rely on gasoline.
what happened to the hydrogen car? what is happening to the electric car? i guess when the price/Gal. rises above $7 .. the public with get the shock needed to do something. At the current moment, the demand for gasoline just keeps rising; so the oil prices rise, and the gasoline prices rise bc they know they can get away with it.
devilzangel
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i was wondering if anybody here has run simulation runs via software progs like Maxwell 3D or something that lets u build the TPU virtually, and lets you test the physics and electromagnetics on it in simulation ..
it will help one visualize the interactions of the fields, thus providing better incite into the workings
if anybody has, please post images and field views .. thanks
devilzangel
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Quote from: devilzangel on May 06, 2007, 01:09:12 AM
i was wondering if anybody here has run simulation runs via software progs like Maxwell 3D or something that lets u build the TPU virtually, and lets you test the physics and electromagnetics on it in simulation ..
it will help one visualize the interactions of the fields, thus providing better incite into the workings
if anybody has, please post images and field views .. thanks
devilzangel
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The main parameter missing from EM simulations is the Radiant energy part. The fast rise and fall times in the square pulse has all the harmonics at once. Think about that! That is presented to the copper faster that it can conduct. Hence the radiant discharge.
--giantkiller.
thanks giantkiller
even though it is radiant energy that is supposedly the crux of this TPU project .. a good software should still be able to simulate with the right mathematical equations inputted. (shouldnt it???)
devilzangel
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A software simulation is only as good as its programming allows.
Scientists don't even know what the atom really looks like and what it "contains", what gravity is, what makes up strong/soft nuclear relations, etc. etc.
So unless the software programmer secretly came up with an unified field theory and implemented it, I would say that trying to simulate a TPU is a waste of time.
well, i was just asking in light of the fact that radiant energy was discovered a while back in teslas time, we should by now have the ability to mathematically explain the results we are seeing in the experiments, after all that is how science works .. cant just try to make something, but not understand how it works mathematically.
but from what you say it seems current math models that r known dont fully allow accurate modelling and simulation of the TPU function .. i guess it is hard to work mathematics than to just tinker away with experiments .. heheh .. for one i would do the tinkering too .. lol
so back to physical experimentation it is ..
devilzangel
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a short comment: I think what the atomic energy commission said to SM about the responsibility of scientist is totally wrong. Scientist responsibility is to humanity, and the advancement and understanding of it and nature .. not to hold back knowledge and advancement due to governmental and political reasons!!! the guy SM is talking to says that the nuclear bomb was something that shouldn't have happened .. OH YA???? then why does USA STILL keep researching and using nuclear energy!!! .. WHY r there so many nuclear power plants in USA and the world??? are they not afraid of Chernobyl like accidents???? The thing is, even a simple knife is dangerous, it doesnt mean they outlaw all knives .. or how about guns those are used by terrorists .. why dont they go into having better control of guns if they are soooooo darn humanity conscious. thousands die everyday from unsafe cars, where is their superman syndrome there???? The fact is, anything can be dangerous, the key is to control it correctly, not to ban it outright and starve humanity from the enormous gains. EVEN if the power companies switched to this technology, it would help us out.
the only real reason i can think of why the govt is censoring and holding back such free energy technology is bc once it is public they wont be able to charge us for the usage, since most of the guys would make the devices and not have to pay a cent to anyone except for material costs. it happened to many past geniuses, notably Tesla and Moray.
devilzangel
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Hmm, so in essence this TPU is a motor? Think about it, AC induction motors use rotating magnetic fields to turn an armature, and this thing, instead of turning, it produces electrical current. The thing I don't get is, how do the frequencies self feed? How does the magnetic field turn faster and faster? I'm thinking of replicating this once I get some supplies and money :D
@super God,
That is the quest
@ Super,
I do believe that the same assumption as yours. That the TPU's work more alike as an AC motor but without the rotor (mechanically), instead it used the "frequency" to "drive" it.
I think I have a few "working" idea, but haven't had time and $ to put it to the test. It so near but yet it so far : ) . Wish me luck.
regards,
I had an idea, if the earth's magnetic field is moving, why don't we just build a huge coil miles in length with millions of turns and get energy from that? I know, it's unrealistic, but what if?
Anybody remember anything about Radiant Energy in their physics classes?
Statistically speaking with all the geeks here surely somebody must have encountered something in status quo academia. If not, I rest my case. These statistics should hold true as a belief here.
--giantkiller. Now I go back to the real thread. Oops I meant the real world. Nope, maybe nothing is real until we find it. How come I can't hear the tree falling? Did it make a sound? Prove it.
Quote from: giantkiller on May 29, 2007, 11:37:09 PM
Anybody remember anything about Radiant Energy in their physics classes?
Statistically speaking with all the geeks here surely somebody must have encountered something in status quo academia. If not, I rest my case. These statistics should hold true as a belief here.
i do understand what u r trying to convey .. but the thing is, the original Maxwell equations should be able to mathematically lay out what radiant energy is.
The fact that it is some sort of energy (we all agree on that smart and stupid alike) and that it can manifest itself into this physical reality means that it must follow some physics and EM radiation laws. Maybe the laws aren't fully comprehending the full understanding of radiant energy, but atleast it is a start.
NOW, whether the current intellectual community is willing to expand on the knowledge and understand it better is an entirely different dinner .. i mean situation. ;D
it is like what i read in another thread. Tesla KNEW about the relativity concept from another Croatian scientist; years before Einstein. but does that mean he had the understanding to fully write a comprehensive paper on its implication?? i doubt the original Croatian scientist did either. but both knew there was something out there.
for all i know some equations from quantum mechanics might explain radiant energy better. It doesn't mean that there is no mathematical model anywhere that doesn't explain radiant energy; all it means is that no one has taken the time and effort to fully formalize it onto a piece of paper and publish it as of yet.
There is also a possibility that such academic papers have been sequestered by the governments; that the scientists and physicists don't have access to that knowledge. every once in a while someone will do an experiment and get an interesting result, publish it and the government will run over and shut them up.
devilzangel
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Ah, the way I see the device working is based on what Steven said in the PDF compilation about the wires and magnets and so forth. By moving magnet through a wire you create current. Imagine the control coils as a form of electromagnet. These coil rotate the magnetic field, much like an AC motor. The cannonball effect takes place, and the frequencies only rotate the field faster and faster, nothing more. The rotating magnetic field induces a current in the collector, and thus we have usable energy. But that's just my understanding so far. I wonder if Im on the right track?
i mention this in the previous thread - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2235.msg33932.html#msg33932
it could be the ion effect, superconduction . etc who knows ... BUT i am inclined to think that we are using a "brute force" approach to accessing this advanced energy .. if we extract this energy correctly, the device should actually be cool to the touch (again a guess).. .. many things could cancel the flux .. certain coil configs can do that too .. mobius, etc. I wonder how using crystals or fiber optics will play a role in advanced Free Energy extraction.
i am currently working on really looking at the SM vids frame by frame to see if i can make decent drawings of the devices .. they show some very good close ups of the 15" coil .. but i am also looking at the open frame TPU vids also to look at the coil configs and wiring ..
(something i found interesting .. if u look at the very OLD one, where he is in a workshop showing the small device flipping 180 degrees; if u look at the frame when he is flipping the device, u can see a metallic central vertical core. .. like a tesla coil)
devilzangel
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ok guys ..
ATTACHED is a PNG file that has SCREENSHOTS of the 15" TPU, the preliminary TPU, and the open black TPU from SM's Videos.
The Image file is 3.79MB in size. I tried to keep it as high quality as possible + PNG format
one thing i find important to note is that i see FOUR coils in the open black TPU .. 2 thick wire windings, and 2 fine wire windings. (they might ALL be the same thickness, though hard to tell).. i have added notes in the images as well.
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I was asked what framegrabber i used, below is the info:
front end Player : Media Player Classic
Video Decoder : FFDshow rev.1299 http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDShow.htm
FFDshow allows post processing, resizing, and picture property options, etc. I used a bit of unsharp, contrast, gamma correction and curve to get a good exposure, etc.
then i adjusted the images in photoshop cs3 a bit more.
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devilzangel
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what i think:
1) 2 horizontal rings (connected in some fashion) (maybe a 1 turn mobius)
2) 4 vert. coils in a cross pattern over the bottom ring (approx 10-11 turns each, dont know if these are bifilar, but looking at the thickness, the probability is high .. but then looking at the wiring, there arent that many wires)
3) 2 neo mags placed across each other, in between 2 of the vertical coils
4) and somehow this thing is pulsed in some fashion .. (1 carrier wave (noise), 1 base freq, 2 harmonics... uggh .. dont know)
i hope to someday start my own experiments on this thing .. unfortunately this is not right now; my dad would go crazy seeing me working with this stuff, especially when i am getting a degree in finance!! lol.
devilzangel
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Hi devilzangel
I am interested in doing a build of the open TPU that runs off the 12v bat, to do this i am trying to collect hi res pictures, your pictures seem to be very clear but i have not seen them posted in high res individually, is there any way you can either pm them to me or tell me where i can download them, the pictures marked frame 51862, 51866, 57724, 57760 ect plus any other relating to this TPU.
My first task is to work out rough dimensions from the pictures and then start metal bashing the rings.
Thanks
Peter
Well there is always the thing called a "hobby". I know peeps that live in an office all day and on the weekends, they go out and fly model planes. Big planes, jets, copters and all. A hobby is just that. You just have to keep your priorities in order. Sad thing is if this puppy bites you, well you will need a lab with all kinds of equipment and such
;D
sugra
Quote from: devilzangel on June 21, 2007, 04:38:02 PM
what i think:
1) 2 horizontal rings (connected in some fashion) (maybe a 1 turn mobius)
2) 4 vert. coils in a cross pattern over the bottom ring (approx 10-11 turns each, dont know if these are bifilar, but looking at the thickness, the probability is high .. but then looking at the wiring, there arent that many wires)
3) 2 neo mags placed across each other, in between 2 of the vertical coils
4) and somehow this thing is pulsed in some fashion .. (1 carrier wave (noise), 1 base freq, 2 harmonics... uggh .. dont know)
i hope to someday start my own experiments on this thing .. unfortunately this is not right now; my dad would go crazy seeing me working with this stuff, especially when i am getting a degree in finance!! lol.
devilzangel
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I sense an impending nose dive!
Pull up, pull up, now!
This is not just a hobby! This is the adventure to end all consuming adventures!
Get onboard man. Where you been!?!
Let the rest eat cake. We be real men here, Argh, matey!
Now where's that monkey? I wanna to shoot something.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Peterae on June 26, 2007, 06:09:54 AM
Hi devilzangel
I am interested in doing a build of the open TPU that runs off the 12v bat, to do this i am trying to collect hi res pictures, your pictures seem to be very clear but i have not seen them posted in high res individually, is there any way you can either pm them to me or tell me where i can download them, the pictures marked frame 51862, 51866, 57724, 57760 ect plus any other relating to this TPU.
My first task is to work out rough dimensions from the pictures and then start metal bashing the rings.
Thanks
Peter
hey there, sorry .. been busy with exams and work .. if u look at this thread post http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2579.msg36395.html#msg36395 and this one http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2579.msg36417.html#msg36417, u will see even better and clearer images from a better source video (no one here seems to have it, except maybe mannix). Those were edited using interlaced originals from somewhere .. i dont have those originals.
if u still need my screenshots, just PM with your email addy.
devilzangel
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Hi devilzangel
worth trying i had seen these shots just wondered if you had more.
I can use these anyway
Thanks
Peter