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Hello all,

does anybody have any experience of Paul Pantone's Multi-Fuels Processor?

It's fuel is mixed water and hydrocarbure (hydrocarbon derived liquids).
J-L Naudin has tested and it works with mixture of 20% hydrocarbons and 80% water.

My question is, when he states that it runs on 20/80 mixture, is all liquids consumed when motor is run until fuel goes out?
If water is still left, it does not run on 20/80 mixture but it just vaporizes the gasoline off the water and runs basically on vaporized gasoline.

The drawing gives an impression that the construction could easily work like a distilling apparatus and mostly the gasoline is vaporized first and that hot air run through water does not make electrolysis nor hydrogen...? Or does it?
When you boil water on cattle, you got steam, not hydrogen right?
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/bingofuel/images/jlnmfpds.gif

Before I start converting my brand new -87  :) mazda to run on Multi-Fuels Processor, I would like to be sure that it works..  ;D
I will test next week how a basic hydrogen/oxygen electrolysis affects on gas mileage, sence it's much easier to implement.

http://jlnlabs.imars.com/bingofuel/pmcjlnen.htm (http://jlnlabs.imars.com/bingofuel/pmcjlnen.htm)

Be careful with this one . I have blown a few things up with the Geet system.
and thats easy to do when you are heating fuel , water and air all together in the same area .
Fuel vapor, if you add steam to the process and run the two through stainless steel at the right temps, the gasoline will crack to Methyl Alcohol and Methane Gas.
This is a gasoline catalytic cracking system. Fuel company's have put additives in gasoline so this can no longer occur under these conditions.


You can still vaporize fuel .

You need to get the gasoline up to 800* F to do this ,so that it fully vaporizes. There will still be parts of the fuel that will not vaporize and you will have some sludge . So a sludge chamber is a must. One that can be cleaned out. Problem is the sludge is from newer type fuel additives , such as MTBA and  highly poisons when in a pure form like this. This additive was added so that you can not catalytically crack the fuel (Maybe), or at least make it much harder to do so.

The idea is to find area in the exhaust system that maintains 800F or so degrees . If you go above 900  she will blow . Below about 780 and you start to lose some critical components of the fuel.

I have  a few working schematics of different types to do this and have been proven .
These schematics show techniques in Insulation , Chambering, Line coil design Fuel delivery ...

IronHead

@IronHead
have u posted it somewhere already(i mean those schematics?) could be usefull to have a look on those.Currently i am working on partial cracking of LPG,it has no additives.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4414.msg87602.html#msg87602

@sulake

i think his system is simply vaporising the fuel.vaporising fuel is improving your mileage for sure,it is a fact.

Wasser + Treibstoff  DEUTSCH /German)

http://www.presstext.de/cms/index/opm/1412.html benzin wasser
http://www.uni-koeln.de/pi/i/2004.102.htm benzin + wasser = ergibt: mehr Energie
http://www.uni-protokolle.de/nachrichten/id/35893/ benzin wasser
http://www.innovations-report.de/html/bericht-30636.html benzin wasser
http://www.wtz.de/fuel-wat.htm
pese

And the same in English via Google translate:
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.presstext.de%2Fcms%2Findex%2Fopm%2F1412.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 (http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.presstext.de%2Fcms%2Findex%2Fopm%2F1412.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8)
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-koeln.de%2Fpi%2Fi%2F2004.102.htm&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 (http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-koeln.de%2Fpi%2Fi%2F2004.102.htm&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8)
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-protokolle.de%2Fnachrichten%2Fid%2F35893%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 (http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-protokolle.de%2Fnachrichten%2Fid%2F35893%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8)
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.innovations-report.de%2Fhtml%2Fbericht-30636.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 (http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.innovations-report.de%2Fhtml%2Fbericht-30636.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8)

The same article in many news sites.
Pese, I did not quite understand from these articles what was the method of the mixing of water and diesel, HHO was not mentioned, so are they talking about Pantone method? (Re-inventing Pantone?)

No that is not Pantone.
Als some US Gays have found.
water + gasoline + "used Motor-oils
(but mor than 40 % water ininit will work very propper.
University cologne (gernany) find that diesel also gasoline motors
wil work this addition up to 60% Water very propper.

Ome german Manufacture have ean device to mix Water fpr Ship- (vessels) motors to the siesel
directly befor the pressure pump.
In WW2 the gerna habe used diectly assitin 30% water in carburator from STUKKA Fligher, and so
turned uf the power more than 50% !! 

SAAB Cares have used an Watervatorizer added to Carburator (as Option) for an "Serie-Car. But withouut any publicity , that comse from an german invention, shown 1966 on IAA
(intern. auto exposition Germany)  , but Car Industry will not have this, because ...
to sell energy is an buisiness ...

So it give many was to use wather WITH ENERGY
Pese
,

use also www.translate.ru

for possibly better translations for the above german links


(Olso i rember, an SAAB 2000ccm Car was tasted in Hermany , that was 140 PS (HP) with Water,vapor and 100 PS without Water adding, to gaso?ine-carburator
It was using  2ltrs Water for 500km (additional to the gasoline.
This Tests was not given out to the "pubicity" and "so" you cant find this
information.

Very interesting indeed! It is well known that when turbo charging , a water spray will increase the power by cooling the intake air and bind more oxygen. This has been even mentioned in a Finnish car tuning magazine one time. But, it said that it will increase power only with high boost pressures.
Pese, do you have any documents/info more accurate about how and when the water is injected/sprayed/mixed to the fuel?

I was thinking about the water spraying in turbocharged machines and the Mayer direct conversion injector...
Would the water be user more efficiently, if it was broken into smaller parts? This could be done using ultrasound. This method is used in a mist pump and in Fog screen.
Mist pump: http://www.bigbenimports.com/p_fa_mp.html (http://www.bigbenimports.com/p_fa_mp.html)
      http://pnwintl.com/MistLamps/Images/THL7000.gif (http://pnwintl.com/MistLamps/Images/THL7000.gif)
Fog screen: http://www.fogscreen.com/client-data/img/Inia_box.jpg (http://www.fogscreen.com/client-data/img/Inia_box.jpg)

These mist pumps are sold separately too, so no need to ââ,¬Å"reverse engineerââ,¬Â those mist lamps.
Could this mist be more easy to convert to HHO by blowing it through high voltage metal plates?
Or could it be used directly in a gasoline engine to feed mist to air intake?

Quote from: sulake on April 09, 2008, 04:57:28 AM
Very interesting indeed! It is well known that when turbo charging , a water spray will increase the power by cooling the intake air and bind more oxygen. This has been even mentioned in a Finnish car tuning magazine one time. But, it said that it will increase power only with high boost pressures.
Pese, do you have any documents/info more accurate about how and when the water is injected/sprayed/mixed to the fuel?

I was thinking about the water spraying in turbocharged machines and the Mayer direct conversion injector...
Would the water be user more efficiently, if it was broken into smaller parts? This could be done using ultrasound. This method is used in a mist pump and in Fog screen.
Mist pump: http://www.bigbenimports.com/p_fa_mp.html (http://www.bigbenimports.com/p_fa_mp.html)
      http://pnwintl.com/MistLamps/Images/THL7000.gif (http://pnwintl.com/MistLamps/Images/THL7000.gif)
Fog screen: http://www.fogscreen.com/client-data/img/Inia_box.jpg (http://www.fogscreen.com/client-data/img/Inia_box.jpg)

These mist pumps are sold separately too, so no need to ?reverse engineer? those mist lamps.
Could this mist be more easy to convert to HHO by blowing it through high voltage metal plates?
Or could it be used directly in a gasoline engine to feed mist to air intake?

hey
Saab have done this with steam (vapor)

10.000 of this cars was on the streets driving (5 years that was selled (on option with water) 

i do myself 1961 same with my 1200ccm Ford 34 PS.
But i was in technican school and i done this because i found some
lection in an car jurnal. so that any car drive faster and is stronger
if the weather have more water in the air.
(with god explaning this, that i can revolve in english.
I have only test some ways to mix.
also i can make in anytime gazoline/water  , oil / watter. Paraffin/ water mixings that stand "stabile for hours.  Only to think and paly , and all it can be found.


From the 2000ccm SAAB protyp. i have the contact with the testdriver, that hav give this information for the
199 / 140 HP Car !!!

So the powewr will increased
the vapar was injected after (t) the carburator !!
Like ena gaz / gasoline construction that allow both conditions.


The "WW2 "Fighter was Water Injected additionalle IN THE carburator.

(Motor can hold this power only for some minutes
(to much power)

Pese

@sulake
u meant to blow the water mist between high voltage plates?I think if it will have any discharges there it will first produce the HHO then it will blow it up instanteously.I can imagine a torch working like this.However it would be a nice try to have just enough voltage not to start the spark but to produce the HHO.One backdraw i see is a low concentration of ions to conduct electricity through the water and to perform electrolysis.I can be wrong though.Somone would have to try this out as this fog toys are inexpensive to obtain  ;D.

Second question about using ultrasonic to feed your car.I thought about it also before,but i wanted to inject like 2-4% of total mass of air going to the engine by water mist.It is a big amount of water and those small ultrasonic toys just are not capable of it i guess (was it like 150 ml water per h,no? ).