Ok guys i read the pdf, every word from top to bottom including the several repeats and here is my conclusion.
But first let me tell you a bit about my background.
I have a background in the inverter industry in which I have worked with and done some r&d with 6 step, pwm, and compound invertors. For hobbies I have designed several high power radio transmitters, (linears or kickers if you will) both transistor and tube up to 2kw in size. Audio has been my main hobby since i was a child where i have designed more speaker systems than I can remember as well as my own electronics as in crossovers, parametric eq's, as well as graphic eq's, compressors, expanders, and quite a long list of other play toys.
In my very small time private business I design mostly interfacing controls, and i designed mostly automated machinery as well as wrote firmware etc.
Anyway that is a bit of my background both on a professional and person level.
Hydrogen is another story, however i have an extensive understanding of harmonics as well as invertors and audio etc.
After spending several hours cutting and pasting what marks said i have found, (to be kind), several discrepancies in his theory and began to have several doubts about the validity of his claims. Well i dd not want to simply dismiss this so i went the next step researched all the names he throws around to do a little snooping and the only one that turned out to be traceable was Roland Schinzinger who died of old age in feb 2004 so we will not be asking him any questions. From what I can tell from my research is that the rest are all red herrings? Maybe I am wrong, if i am i will be happy to revise this thread and frankly i hope someone can correct me because with all my heart and soul i want to believe.
So you all can make up your own minds as to this tpu and i certainly do not want to dissuade anyone from working on it but to be very clear this is the only device that I hve found on this site that I am hard pressed to invest my time in. Others really rock and I love the work y0ou guys are doing here its awesome.
Then i was hit even harder across the face with this one:
Return to the INE Main Page
THE STEVEN MARK DEVICE - KNOWN DATA FROM AU (EMAIL)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:33:27 +0800
From: Raymond Dale
Reply-To: rayd@perth.design.net.au
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: pgb@padrak.com
Subject: Stevens Coil
Dear Patrick,
Very sorry for the unavoidable delay on Stevens coil information.
I hope you will find it useful.
INVENTOR PROFILE
14 February 1997
NAME:
Steven Mark a.k.a
DATE OF BIRTH:
Jan. 30,1954, Pennysylvania
ADDRESS:
7435 Hummingbird Lane. Anaheim Hills, CA 92808.
INVENTION:
Over Unity, solid state electrical output for lighting, no apparent input, appears toroidal in geometry or similar to a Hendershot Generator, will not demonstrate device running motors. Video tape shows three devices of different sizes.
HISTORY/ITEMS OF INTEREST:
1. Overheard to say while drinking "Well what if I do have batteries in it? It?s still better than anyone else can do."
2. Claims his uncle works for the U.S. Navy.
3. Fantasises about Royalty, claims his grandfather was an Admiral for the Russian Navy.
4. Australian, Japanese and Eastern block nations have attempted to negotiate for the technology.
5. Claims to have built his first device 15 years ago, claims to have worked as foreman for Rolls Royce, also that he was the youngest technician ever hired by RCA.
6. Claims to have a BSME degree from a university in Pennsylvania, but no record can be found.
7. Has been involved in sound technology for home entertainment, his 3D sound system was found to have enhanced effects due to hidden speakers in the walls of the room used for demonstrations.
8. Has attempted to broker numerous inventions, some of them stolen by others such as E225, a chemical used to break up oil spills. This was reported stolen by Marcus Langer-Curry, an Austrian who claimed to be a German.
9. Has demo'ed the sound technology to Hollywood celebrities such as Priscilla Presley and Arnold Schwarzenegger as well as to the President of ICM, International Creative Management, one of the largest firms
representing actors in the entertainment business.
Tom Pollack, President of Universal Studios, also saw the sound technology. When he attempted to have his chief sound engineer examine the technology, Mark refused to talk to him or any other engineer.
The energy technology was demonstrated to the President of Toyota USA, Mark refused to allow Toyota to physicists to test the device.
10. Is expert at faking heart attacks etc when an engineer is about to hook up test equipment, thus killing the deal.
11. Monthly budget last 7 years.
$30K per month for,
4 Cadillacs
body guard
housekeeper
$5000/month rent on mansion.
12. Has stated that "The name of the game is to find the investor with the most money."
13. Associates
Bill Cavenaugh - Lawyer
Doug Cavenaugh
Paul G Stemm, Universal Energy Corporation, Bank Underwriter, Lawyer, barred from doing business in the U.S. Lives with his girlfriend in the Philippines, has filed bankruptcy numerous times, wife and two children live in Irvine, CA, has not practised law in 20 years. Peninsula Court Bldg, Suit 413, Metro Manila Phone 011-63-2-810-9284/8945358. Ah
8193856, 8735 Paseo de Roxas, 1200 Makati, Metro Manila
Jan Oliver - Scottsdale, AZ, sends cash payments, represents; Steve Talent, Miami billionaire
Larry Saylor, formerly with Delta Airlines Howard Frantom - former president of LA Cellular, lost big bucks investing
Rob Alexander, CEO Extreme Technologies
Brian Collins (Perth Australia) 61-9-4704656 mobile 0412 922803 David Doleshal 1-800-920-4292
14. Other Companies, ventures, some based in Vancouver, BC International
PCBC
Spheric Audio Labatories, subsidiary of PCBC Portacom Wireless
Extreme Technologies, subsidiary of Portico Dwyer Corporation,
incorporated in Turks and Caicos Islands (Netherlands), with bank account in Hong Kong
15. Typical mode of operation:
Finds investors, does demo, shows problem such as the device won't work when upside down or it over heats, all of which can be solved for an additional million. When investors get impatient, Mark kills the deal through stock manipulations, corporate politicking working the investors
against each other by lying to one about the other and so on. Eventually the deal gets so screwed up the investors go away and Mark is looking for another investor.
Regards
Raymond Dale
Perth Australia
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:59:44 +0800
From: Raymond Dale
Reply-To: rayd@perth.design.net.au
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: pgb@padrak.com
Subject: Stevens Coil
Dear Patrick,
To your question - Can I post it on the INE web site?
Yes you may.
Regards
Raymond Dale
Return to the INE Main Page
www.padrak.com/ine/SMARK.html
May 23, 1997.
REF: http://www.padrak.com/ine/SMARK.html
As I said I certainly do not wish to discourage anyone from working with the tpu however I do want to let you all know that i have done my best to qualify the names he references, where I have no luck with exception to Dr. Roland Who admits that that he did not have time to thoroughly test the unit because steven marks had to leave.
I posted this info so you can go into this where I highly recommend that you do your own research and decide for yourself before making huge investments of time and money.
Sincerely,
Kokomojo
Note: if anyone here finds this information to be untrue I will modify the post accordingly or retract it completely.
Otherwise I feel you are all a great inventors and experimentors and I feel it is my obligation to at least present this to you for your own examination and let the chips fall where they may.
Kokomojo,
And Raymond Dale who wrote this email 5 years ago is who? (p.s. It does have a battery! LOL)
And SM's interest in baiting all these people on this forum for all of this time is? His motive is?
I never heard him ask anyone here for a dime.
He spent all that time writing some incredible truths why?
He wants what from us?
The engineering reports are real.
On the demo did you not see him plug in a drill?
The tpu would have played havoc with a coiled motor. When ours is working, it will not run a motor either. At least not up close.
I say rubbish. Even if he did try to milk the invention in the days of old, that is not proof it does not work. I do not care about the character flaws of SM. I want to know...will it work. I say yes, and Otto and others are getting the proof.
No fault of yours, you are trying to "protect" people. But really, people have been slandering SM for a long time, and gnostic dealt with that.
Just go to peswiki and search "Steven Mark" and you can read all about it.
See ya, I've got a TPU to build! ;)
Quote from: btentzer on May 19, 2007, 03:10:05 AM
Kokomojo,
The tpu would have played havoc with a coiled motor. When ours is working, it will not run a motor either. At least not up close.
See ya, I've got a TPU to build! ;)
with all my heart and soul I hope you are correct!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg4150.html#msg4150
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 19, 2007, 03:45:49 AM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg4150.html#msg4150
its only the tpu that i do not have faith in. as i said in another post somewhere even the videos looked rigged to me. i apologize but no matter what i look into about this guy i keep finding zeros. As far as the other experiments on this site they rock! Like i said i do not want to discourage anyone from playing with the tpu, however based on my knowledge i found several errors that he made in his written presentation. i prefer correct data and facts to hyperbole.
so i wll reserve my judgement for now.
stevenmarktpu.pdf (integrate) :)
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"My friend who is a science professor at a university here where I live told me something which made me react in a positive way.
He said that during his class he challenges his science and engineering students to attempt to explain how my technology could be faked and if some student does explain satisfactorily then they will be rewarded by not being required to take the next examination.
He told me to reflect on the fact that out of a thousand bright college students absolutely no one has even offered a serious guess as to how what they see in the demonstration tapes could be faked.
He went on to say that it is all fine and well for people to shout fake and fraud, but the burden of proof is on them... and they all have failed, haven't they.
My friend, everything you have seen on the videos is the absolute truth so help me God."
Quote from: kokomoj0 on May 19, 2007, 05:36:49 AM
Quote from: Jdo300 on May 19, 2007, 03:45:49 AM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg4150.html#msg4150
its only the tpu that i do not have faith in. as i said in another post somewhere even the videos looked rigged to me. i apologize but no matter what i look into about this guy i keep finding zeros. As far as the other experiments on this site they rock! Like i said i do not want to discourage anyone from playing with the tpu, however based on my knowledge i found several errors that he made in his written presentation. i prefer correct data and facts to hyperbole.
so i wll reserve my judgement for now.
Guess it is time to bring this up again for the newer guys. Take a look at Patent 6015476 and look for similarities. Read the wording carefully and see if there might be some relationships? Words like "magnetic enhancement", "rotating magnetic field", "four coils, each having numerous turns, formed in loops having the rough shape of a bay windowframe" (see pic and shape of coils), etc....
And the patent was filed in 1998 (around same time as videos) and a guy named Steve Marks is one of the listed inventors. No, I do not think this is exactly a TPU, but maybe it is similar or maybe just a coincidence ?
Kent
It's coincidence. "Steve Marks" is not our man.
In addition, according to what SM has said, the patents are for the control circuits only, NOT the coil arrangements.
It's time people stopped reaching to see something that isn't really there, and this includes equating Steorn's and Gunderson's patents to the TPU as well.
Darren
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6015476
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 19, 2007, 03:02:46 PM
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6015476
Kool..
Thats a good start! Unfortunately once someone has lost my trust it takes more than a plasma steering wheel to bring me back into the fold.
Tesla on the other hand imo is a god and there is nothing that man could tell me that i would not believe sight unseen, but in this case i am from missouri and will not be so easily convinced after noting all the anomolies in his pdf.
There is nothing in that patent that would convince me that some con artist did not simply pick a name out of the patent office and see a chance to snag investors, con them and then stay out of reach from the court system as the aussies claim.
Marks claims he has control circuit patents in one of his videos. Patents are not secret yet no one has shown the existance of any!
Now if you can come up with the control circuit patents or pending patents with a "marks" name attached to it in a patent office somewhere in the world then I will be convinced. (as long as it is not obviously the electronics to control the steering wheel in the patent you provided above).
The way i see it this is the business end of getting to the bottom of things and we have not reached a satisfactory point with your post of this pdf, but i thank you for it as i may consider its possible application to control the plasma in IH's cold fusion reactor project once i get that up and running and if i have acceptable performance etc etc...
So with that I hope you can provide something for me to look forward too.
kokomojo
Quote from: Sauron on May 19, 2007, 10:42:33 AM
He said that during his class he challenges his science and engineering students to attempt to explain how my technology could be faked
I absolutely disagree with this methodology. The burden of proof does not lie on my or anyone elses shoulders to "prove it does not work"! How do you prove a "doesnt"? Its a logical fallacy.
The burden of proof lies squarely on marks shoulders to in fact prove it does work! How do you do that? Give investigators everything they need to to thoughoughly test it. Even schinzer claimed that he could not test it thoughoughly as there was not enough time and marks had to go.
If it were my unit i would be awake for 3 days straight proving it out and cancel all my other appointments to take advantage of dr schinzer availiability rather than sqaunder that opportinuty.
i will not be sucked in by pie in the sky hyperbole quite that easily.
As i said in a previous post lets take a looksie at those patents he claims to have filed on his secret controller if that in itself is not a contradiction in terms!
Anyway for the sake of all of us and the above unity believers i hope we can sort this out in a manner that is equitable and proves itself out.
If patents have been applied for they are not secret and therefore open to the public review, at least in general terms.
Again, the name is Mark not Marks.
Even if apparent controller patents are found with a "Steve Marks" as the inventor, they won't be for the TPU.
It is unknown under what name the actual TPU controller patents are filed under. That information was never provided, and since the entire system is broken into several patents, it is clear that whoever filed them, does not want anyone to know the numbers and put it all together.
Presumably, this would be too good of a clue as to how the TPU works, and obviously UEC wants to keep this secret.
So in summary, pursue that other patent if you like, but it is not related to the Steven Mark TPU.
Darren
Quote from: z_p_e on May 19, 2007, 06:30:45 PM
Again, the name is Mark not Marks.
Even if apparent controller patents are found with a "Steve Marks" as the inventor, they won't be for the TPU.
It is unknown under what name the actual TPU controller patents are filed under. That information was never provided, and since the entire system is broken into several patents, it is clear that whoever filed them, does not want anyone to know the numbers and put it all together.
Presumably, this would be too good of a clue as to how the TPU works, and obviously UEC wants to keep this secret.
So in summary, pursue that other patent if you like, but it is not related to the Steven Mark TPU.
Darren
actually i am more interested in hydrogen and generators are a do when bored thing.. according to the patent its: Inventors: Ross D. Schlueter, Steve Marks so you got me hanging.
So the tpu is a secret then? Sorry but i do not get it, if it is such a secret then why bother tossing us the table scraps? That truely does not make sense unless he is trying to pump his own ego up with "look haw smart i am and how dumb we are" type of approach than it would make sense.
Hey the way i look at it if he is legit then there are patents or patents pending somewhere in the world and if this all took place in 1998 they would be long since approved or rejected by now. So no patents = fraud otherwise patents maybe it is real, ytb after seeing what is provided.
The words "i filed patents for the controller circuits" came out of his mouth not mine i just expect him to lay it out on the table if in fact it "is" real. hope it is but i am not going to hold my breath.....
I believe most if not all the information regarding the reasons Mark can not spell things out for us reside in the "Master of Magnetics" thread.
This has been addressed several times already in the various TPU threads here, but to summarize:
1) SM does not own the technology
2) SM sold the technology to UEC
3) There are several patents covering parts of the controller circuitry, but the numbers are not available for reasons I've already mentioned above.
4) SM pushed the secrecy envelope already (and was scolded for it) several times, and these are the "table scraps" as you called them.
5) this is only my opinion, but SM gave us clues because he felt remorse and regret for selling out.
6) This is not productive....let's move on.
Darren
Quote from: z_p_e on May 19, 2007, 08:59:20 PM
I believe most if not all the information regarding the reasons Mark can not spell things out for us reside in the "Master of Magnetics" thread.
This has been addressed several times already in the various TPU threads here, but to summarize:
1) SM does not own the technology
2) SM sold the technology to UEC
3) There are several patents covering parts of the controller circuitry, but the numbers are not available for reasons I've already mentioned above.
4) SM pushed the secrecy envelope already (and was scolded for it) several times, and these are the "table scraps" as you called them.
5) this is only my opinion, but SM gave us clues because he felt remorse and regret for selling out.
6) This is not productive....let's move on.
Darren
Move on to what more red herrings? Hey and oswald shot kennedy too LOL
You see we differ in opinion as to what is productive. If he is a fraud and i have no reason at this point to believe otherwise millions of manhours will be taken away from what might be our next world energy source. you might want to go back and review what the aussies said about him and his mo.
remember i came to this point via doing further reasearch as a result of reading is flawed pdf. ya gotta get the basics right or as my grandpa would say cant run before you learn how to crawl.
kokojomo:
Whatever your own opinion is, just shall we say, keep it to yourself. If other people want to believe in SM and his works, it is not your business. Just move on!
Regards
Chris
Blah blah blah...
The world is flat. The sun revolves around the earth. How do I know? An Aussie skeptic told me. You're all wasting your time because I have REALLY done my research on this.
@koko
The technology upon which the TPU is based is patently proven in a plethora of historical and scientific venues. A concerted research effort, even with little background in physics bears this out. This forum is not dedicated to proving what is already well established, but rather, is an ongoing community effort, the end of which is to determine the precise methods by which this technology may be effectively recreated. If you are not genuinely interested in contributing to that end, please don't waste bytes.
@ koko thank you for your input. Just like the videos showing the tpu working it is valuable.
@others all of us here know what its like to have people tell us to shut up because what we are saying disrupts other's worlds, for us to say that to another is hypocratic.
Take it for whats it worth, what if SM isn't exactly accurate in his descriptions, doesn't mean what he built did or didn't work, but it gives us the knowledge to question even what he has said. And be willing to accept the possibility that the tpu doesn't work as well as the possibilty that it does. People can sometimes hold onto an idea well beyond proof that the idea is wrong, or right, Ask the Catholic church.
Quote from: kokomoj0After spending several hours cutting and pasting what marks said i have found, (to be kind), several discrepancies in his theory and began to have several doubts about the validity of his claims
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In this case i am from missouri and will not be so easily convinced after noting all the anomolies in his pdf.
@kokomoj0 .. now .. this is just an idea .. maybe toooo simple and obvious .. but write out those anomalies and CITE them!!!!!! .. this way it is clear about what exactly u r talking about!
these anomalies should have something to do with the actual TPU .. not some "fact" about SM himself .. i could care less if the guy drives a maybach. and has a 20million house. (questionable yes ..) but wont really show why the TPU is fictional. As it has been told, SM SOLD his invention to UEC (whomever the f@#k these guys r) and they gave SM millions.
devilzangel
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devilzangel:
let me think, without reading through all that again, i am trying to remember, what he said about sound or tube amps, then finally about frequency the operation of the tpu, lining frequencies up i forget his exact words, little things like that. There were about 4 instances anyway that made me chuckle a bit, and that is why i stipped my background in the very beginning. i want to believe as much as everyone else here does and i do believe in tesla, he is my all time hero!
Frankly what alerted me to investigate this further is inconsequential, superfluous and overruled by his claim of having filed for patents.
mr. marks specifically claimed to have "control circuit" patents either applied for or pending at the time of the video. He said that! Words out of his mouth! On video. If what he said is "true" then they "are" availiable. Why is he "not" telling you? Once a patent is applied for it is public and therefore obtainable. So take a moment and ponder that thought!
Public Data! Where is it??????
If sm wants to get patents and later claim they are for any reason "secret" i am very sorry because that is just plain bs.
Failure to provide this public information simply means he is in fact a fraud.
Patents = Public = NOT secret!!!!
If sm is in fact a fraud he is making fools out of our community which i do not take kindly to, so i think it is important to get to the bottom of this. If he shows up with the legitimate patents that he claims i will make a public apology. Until then (all things considered), i have no reason to believe in "his" tpu at this time.
Those who come into the TPU threads and expect to understand the whole story by reading only a few pages are mistaken. There is a lot of background that forms the complete story. Not having done their homework, inevitably leads to questions that have been asked and addressed many times already in the past pages of these TPU threads.
Obviously patents are public. Consider this....perhaps when the controller patents were applied for by SM, he was making his deal with UEC, and they were subsequently retracted? The patents are not in Steven Mark's name. A patent search will only bring up his patents for the "audiospatial efffects" and speaker designs. If you want to see his audio patent, search for this: 5,487,113. Note his name is Mark, NOT Marks!
Apparently, UEC has used some other dude's name assigned as the inventor, in an effort to keep those seeking the answers from putting 2 and 2 together.
So, just because the patents are not in SM's name, does not mean they do not exist!
Darren
How do we know, that they even patented it ?
Is this for sure ?
Why not try to track down this UEC company and just plainly ask them ???
HAs anyone made the effort to track down this guy from UEC in the Philipines ?
Paul Stemm
Suite 413
Peninsular Court
8735 Paseo De Roxas
Makati City
Metro Manila
Philippines
Tel: 63 2 894 5358 (W) 819 3856 (H)
Fax: 63 2 810 9284
or did anyone reach:
John Sanchez
working at
at the UCI ( university of California in Irvine) campus.
He worked together with
professor Roland Schinzinger
Ph.D.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703,
Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
who has been deceased already unfortunately..
Maybe John Sanchez can be located by contacting the widdow
of Roland Schinzinger or somebody
near UCI can look around for John Sanchez there who probably
have worked there also in the electrical eningeering department together
with professor Roland Schinzinger ?
The next wittness is:
Michael Fennell (Consulting Engineer)
8348 Menkar Road
San Diego, CA. 92126
B.A. Physics, Swarthmore College1983
M.S. Applied Physics, UCSD, 1988
I found via google the following stuff about him:
http://www.ntsb.gov/events/symp_rec/proceedings/authors/carroll.htm
now seems to work at:
http://www.tetherapplications.com/
but I have not yet heard from him via emails send to
tetherapplications.com...
Regards, Stefan.
please note that if the patents were filed for in the USA, the government (Military) reviews all patents for potential use first and if they feel these are a national security risks (for what ever reason) they take the rights to them and suppress the knowledge of the invention. What makes you think they would then be in the public domain?
This governmental action is well known. This is why some inventors don't patent their works in the USA but elsewhere first or make them public instead to avoid suppression.
I am not saying the TPU is or is not real but if it is this tech would most likely fall under what the government considers a threat to national security (Miltiarily or economically). Remember the US government is all for the corporations (aka big business) not the little guys (us). This is probably the same thought process for other developed countries as well.
Quote from: kokomoj0 on May 19, 2007, 05:36:02 PM
Quote from: Sauron on May 19, 2007, 10:42:33 AM
He said that during his class he challenges his science and engineering students to attempt to explain how my technology could be faked
I absolutely disagree with this methodology. The burden of proof does not lie on my or anyone elses shoulders to "prove it does not work"! How do you prove a "doesnt"? Its a logical fallacy.
The burden of proof lies squarely on marks shoulders to in fact prove it does work! How do you do that? Give investigators everything they need to to thoughoughly test it. Even schinzer claimed that he could not test it thoughoughly as there was not enough time and marks had to go.
If it were my unit i would be awake for 3 days straight proving it out and cancel all my other appointments to take advantage of dr schinzer availiability rather than sqaunder that opportinuty.
i will not be sucked in by pie in the sky hyperbole quite that easily.
As i said in a previous post lets take a looksie at those patents he claims to have filed on his secret controller if that in itself is not a contradiction in terms!
Anyway for the sake of all of us and the above unity believers i hope we can sort this out in a manner that is equitable and proves itself out.
If patents have been applied for they are not secret and therefore open to the public review, at least in general terms.
Actually, he's not asking anyone to prove a negative. Which by the way is only invalid in debate. The rules of logic are only strictly applied for purposes of debate. And people are taught them in order to learn how to exploit their opponents arguments. Your doing a good job of turning this into a debate. However, the person who posted those accusations had a knife to sharpen, and will not respond to anyone questioning his motives for posting such information. Now those videos, are an attempt to PROVE that his technology works. What those students are being asked to to do is prove it can be faked. That is not asking someone to prove a negative. Mr. Mark(note, not marks), and his name is also not spelled "steven" either, has offered his proof. If someone claims it is fake, it is then THEIR burden to offer evidence supporting THEIR argument. So seems your understanding of the rules of logic, are frought with logical fallacy.
You have two choices at this juncture. Fake Mr. Mark's technology, Prove it can be done with all the small little details that are subtle proofs in the video. Or accept his evidence and walk away quietly. At this point, you may believe, or disbelieve, it makes no difference to anyone here. Your efforts, whatever they may be, are largely inconsequential to ours.
For example, when Dave posted his video with the lighting bulb, I knew it was fake instantly, can you tell me how I knew?
Turbo's was a bit more interesting, but it didn't fit all the criteria either. However, there was REAL power in his. Can you tell how I knew?
For the record, with the right equipment, I could fake it, it would be expensive and very dangerous but I could do it, except for perhaps one or two small details, can you tell me which ones?
If the answer to any of these questions is no, you haven't researched this enough or taken all the ramifications into consideration. Most serious researchers here have run his video through spectrum analyzers, done all the research you have, and more. I have had email conversations with Dr. Schizinger's son.
Next time you post an argument against the validity of something, you need to ensure that YOUR evidence is better than the evidence you are trying to refute.
You may disbelieve if you want, nobody cares. However, if you are trying to have us help you believe, why would we do that? You mention a lack of tracable info on the people he mentions. Well, of COURSE THEY ARE UNTRACABLE. Jeez, you claim logic yet you can't see why someone who wishes to stay anonymous might change the names of the people who are still living? For all we know, his name isn't even STEVEN.
At any rate, this is par for the course, happens every couple of months or so. Last time it was Dean McGowan. An Aussie bloke, who in spite of his caustic attitude, was intelligent and actually contributed once in a while.
You don't have to believe. Dean McGowan's first post was about a guy names Stan Deyo who posed the possiblity that the videos were faked for the purpose of starting a "back engineering" project at the end of which, would produce a product, which in all actuality never existed. In his example it was an antigravity device. He was proposing that Mannix posted this on behalf of someone who faked a video in order to start this project. At the end of which, the mysterious video maker would claim the patent on, that any toroidal over unity device created here would be stolen.
This is the only plausible fraud scenario I can see, aside from it being 100% truth. I can tell you right now, that it would cost a lot of money to fake those videos, just in the video equipment.
Regards,
Rich
Quote...and his name is also not spelled "steven" either,...
Well, IF his name is Steven, this IS how it is spelled...at least on the patent, and one would think this would be accurate. Note middle initial is "D".
Folks, let's put this name thing to bed shall we?
Darren
Quote from: z_p_e on May 20, 2007, 02:56:47 PM
Quote...and his name is also not spelled "steven" either,...
Folks, let's put this name thing to bed shall we?
Darren
Agreed Darren, it's nitpicking. Not another word from me about it. But thanks for pointing this out, it brings something else into question for me.
Regards,
Rich
Quote from: gn0stik on May 20, 2007, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: z_p_e on May 20, 2007, 02:56:47 PM
Quote...and his name is also not spelled "steven" either,...
Folks, let's put this name thing to bed shall we?
Darren
Agreed Darren, it's nitpicking. Not another word from me about it. But thanks for pointing this out, it brings something else into question for me.
Regards,
Rich
What are you talking about? It is a debate! No one has it working therefore whether it works at all and whether the claimed inventor is real is legitimately up for debate! Thousands of posts and coils being made! If this much effort was put into moray's work we would all have working prototypes by now!! But there is no mystery in a device that is patented, its only fun to build the device that is shadowed in mystery with rumors of life and death threats are of interest!
I mean come on! Here is a test for you. what errors did he make in his several times repeated pdf compilation? It seems to me more practical to start with knowns before we speculate on the unknowns. Heck i literally told you already what to look for and if they are not obvious then i submit to you that maybe it is you who are not qualified on the subject.
So you feel that correct logic is for students to build fake devices to prove his was fake? Since when do you walk into the patent office and say ok boys prove my new great invention is fake? That is backwards logic. You have to prove the invention to people not people prove it to you how it can or not be faked.
You should know better than to ask me to prove something can or cannot be done on video! you think that video he supplied is evidence of a working unit? all the cuts and edits and camera look aways? Running a drill off of an invertor so he says.
Have you torn anything down? Ripped one apart looking for devices? How it can be faked is irrelevant and meaningless.
What he says out of his mouth on that video on the other hand is good evidence like "i have filed for patents"!!
The government has not taken cooks, morays, or teslas, they did take teslas notes which was wrong but i have yet to see anything "disappear" from the patent office or become stifled by claiming it to be a military secret!
Accept his evidence? He has yet to provide credible evidence of anything! That is anything beyond his WORD and there is nothing that i can see credible as far as that goes. Well unless he wants to make a grand statement by proving those patents exist or filing for them exists.
This reminds of the married guys messing around on the wives and cannot give out their phone number to the unsuspecting woman (gf), because they are a "secret agent"! i do not buy into hyperbole and drama quite that easily.
so he is a secret agent and has to remain autonomous! Lots of boogie men are after him and rather than putting 10,000 copies in the mail and send them to everyone its much safer to go over very traceble internet and spoon feed every one tid bit by tid bit. i am sure that is the first rule of being autonomous get lots of attention on an over unity site!! your logic is again flawed.
My efforts here are a call to caution nothing more. The ramifications are pretty obvious frankly.
Faking videos is so easy and cheap its almost funny.
Ok so you go right from hartiberlins patent post but why quibble over such trivials, lets just close our eyes and go back to sleep now and just wind more coils!
guys at least understand the circumstances in which this marks device is being presented and all the ways he can be faking it, in fact it has all the ear marks, (pun intended) of a fake.
Anyway here is the other patent, small over sight i am sure. but who's getting picky?
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 20, 2007, 01:05:14 PM
How do we know, that they even patented it ?
Is this for sure ?
Why not try to track down this UEC company and just plainly ask them ???
HAs anyone made the effort to track down this guy from UEC in the Philipines ?
we dont know and if that is the case then what marks said on tape is false. if that is false then the rest goes without saying. The point is marks said on that one tape that he filed for patents or let me put it this way something to that effect.
Next i would not start with possible accomplices i would start with that producer and arnold and people who this aussie claims kicked his butt out the door.
just my personal opinion
Good grief, does this really need to be said?
For starters, to be clear, Steven Mark does not have ANY obligation whatsoever to provide ANY information to ANYone regarding the function of this device. This forum was not started by Steven Mark, nor has he pursued or entreated anyone to prove his statements or recreate his work. He is not attempting to convince anyone of anything. He does not, to my knowledge, currently perpetuate any claims regarding the device. The videos, which were clearly never intended for public dissemination, may cause one to think differently, but these are in excess of ten years old. They were intended to document the process and foster private investor interest. They were never intended for the Internet. SM has nothing to gain through their dissemination which may or may not have happened with his consent or prior knowledge. He could certainly care less regarding whether any of us believe in him or the device. In providing no further information to the general public, this does make him a fraud. He has, in fact, already been gracious enough to provide more information than may have been prudent for him and others related to the work.
No one here is entitled to anything. Most of us already understand this. Neither you nor I are entitled to a single statement or show of proof from SM. While he may or may not have made embellished statements, meant to deter opportunists, in regards to the patent status of the device or methods of its function, this does not make him a fraud. Fraud would be if he were disingenuous regarding the function of the device. Remember that the first step in a "patent pending" process may often include a post-marked envelope to oneself containing the method or invention. In this manner one shows an intention to protect intellectual property and therein is without reproach in implying that patent protection is pending.
Everyone here is present of their own free volition for the purpose of discovering the details surrounding what most already know, either by intuition or scientific study, that the phenomenon observed and reported surrounding the the TPU is not only possible, but well established by inventors who have come before. This purpose here is to establish and place into public domain, the precise method by which this device (the Steven Mark TPU) operates. Steven Mark was not the inventor of free energy. He used creativity, research and intuition to follow in the footsteps of giants that went before him. The idea and concepts behind the TPU are not new. Any doubt in the device or Steven Mark has no bearing on these facts.
Finally, I love a good conspiracy theory now and then but to think this is all fabricated, including the defaming comments regarding Mark, or the independent reference letters by engineers, is ridiculous. Someone would have done a far better job scripting the show if the videos were just that. As for Deyo, I follow his work, have heard his interviews and own his books. I'm sure he doesn't truly believe what he may have once postulated without all the materials at his disposal. He certainly has knowledge of suppressed technology far more advanced than a TPU. Consider this, certainly if a patent existed to somehow trump all the work being done here, it would have to detail the work beforehand to support its claims, so what then would be the purpose if it was already patented? Ridiculous.
At the end of the day, a healthy-minded skeptic, with nothing to prove, should here forward elect to move on - or quietly chew the hay and spit out the sticks.
to be honest, i am a bit weary after reading thousands of post, i dont know about the other n00bs here. :( .. it is ridiculous. Documentation is paramount to science.
for about a month of so i have been researching the information i have thus far read in the posts (complied PDFs)...
1. UEC .. i have been trying to look through all possible meanings of those 3 letters .. in my opinion .. U can be for Universal or United or Unilateral .. E can be for Electric, Electrical, Electricity, Energy .. C can be for Company or Coalition. .. I have been trying to correlate this to all patents applied for from 1995-2000 under these combination of assignees.
2. I have also been trying to combine this with the inventor state being in CA, but this could be wrong considering UEC may have used some other name and state.
3. one thing i am afraid of is that "SM" mentions the company being based out of USA (if i remember correctly) .. in that case, the patent would have been applied for outside the USA and thus wouldn't be in the USA data base unless it was filed as an international patent. do i remember correctly that the company is based in Australia???
we can spend another 5-15 years trying to reverse engineer from a few videos and some posts .. or a detective who has contacts can spend about 2 years on this and get to the bottom of who these people are. once that is made public, it can be publicized that a company in so and so country has a technology that can stop all energy crisis .. heheh .. someone who has the right contact and resources can get to the bottom of this thing.
for all we know, there may be a few UEC employees registered at overunity and gn0sis to keep tabs on what is being researched and talked about in regards to the TPU.
hey don't count me as paranoid .. it is just business .. for UEC to compartmentalize a technology over multiple patents, and maybe use different inventor names and different assignees speaks to the fact that these people are well versed in both the art of deception and in business.
I truly do believe this technology is real .. but the only thing is there can be only ONE Einstein who comes up with general relativity, etc .. if all his work was classified and made top secret .. do u think "rumors" would allow someone to reverse theorize what Einstien theorized??? i doubt it. I dont think, that even with all this hard work from some great guys here, that anyone will get this TPU to work how it is intended to work. heck, we still cant understand some works done by people who were way ahead of their time.
i feel the only way is to get to the knowledge that is already there.
the fact that the US military censors public domain knowledge of inventions and patents is a grave sin. It is one of the reasons why USA is no longer a beacon of freedom and democracy. For USA, democracy seems to be skin deep.
maybe hiring a psychic and remote viewers will help .. hehehe .. i am a beginner at remote viewing, so i cant really get any usable info yet.
devilzangel
..
1. UEC is an australian based company. Look in the Australian business directories. Or the ASIC web site, I found a few companies that could fit the bill.
http://www.search.asic.gov.au/gns001.html
I found several that seemed possible. I searched for "Universal Energy" One was founded in 1997 in NSW.
2. Brian Collins. SM spent several years in Australia, Brian is even in one of his videos. You can hear him begin to talk over steven on occasion. And you can see Steven get somewhat annoyed. Most of the men in this video speak with an australian accent. It's the video that seems to take place in an office conference room of some sort.
3. Steven's audio patent was filed in the US, but if the UEC owns the control circuit patents, they may not be US or international patents. Could just be australian patents.
Who knows....
Oh, and Koko, You've yet to present your argument. If you want to debate, present it, and quit placing the responsibility on others for your belief or disbelief. Again, I stated it plainly before, but I'll do it again. You say you want to believe with all your heart. Fine, believe. But, your eyes tell you a different story. Fine, don't. Either way your belief does not effect us. If you believed, and CONTRIBUTED, that might effect us. But disbelief only effects your disposition on the issue.
Oh, and if you think you can fake that video cheaply, please do. And don't forget to put a TV set in the room, and do some RF discharges without gloves on like that.
Otherwise just educate us all, as you no doubt feel you need to, or don't. We've all been through this several times, so feel free to change our minds. We're listening....
Rich
Quote from: gn0stik on May 21, 2007, 01:56:38 AM
1. UEC is an australian based company. Look in the Australian business directories. Or the ASIC web site, I found a few companies that could fit the bill.
http://www.search.asic.gov.au/gns001.html
I found several that seemed possible. I searched for "Universal Energy" One was founded in 1997 in NSW.
2. Brian Collins. SM spent several years in Australia, Brian is even in one of his videos. You can hear him begin to talk over steven on occasion. And you can see Steven get somewhat annoyed. Most of the men in this video speak with an australian accent. It's the video that seems to take place in an office conference room of some sort.
3. Steven's audio patent was filed in the US, but if the UEC owns the control circuit patents, they may not be US or international patents. Could just be australian patents.
Who knows....
thanks for the confirmation .. will start a search in AU for the "UEC" and patents as well (i dont know how far u have gone down this path, but i just feel like i should also)
again thanks,
devilzangel
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Quote from: devilzangel on May 21, 2007, 12:47:50 AM
maybe hiring a psychic and remote viewers will help .. hehehe .. i am a beginner at remote viewing, so i cant really get any usable info yet.
devilzangel
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not sure its worth the effort but here you go
http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/patents/search_index.shtml
its interesting that an aussie is the one who claims this guy is a fraud
Quote from: gn0stik on May 21, 2007, 01:56:38 AM
Oh, and Koko, You've yet to present your argument. If you want to debate, present it, and quit placing the responsibility on others for your belief or disbelief. Again, I stated it plainly before, but I'll do it again. You say you want to believe with all your heart. Fine, believe. But, your eyes tell you a different story. Fine, don't. Either way your belief does not effect us. If you believed, and CONTRIBUTED, that might effect us. But disbelief only effects your disposition on the issue.
Oh, and if you think you can fake that video cheaply, please do. And don't forget to put a TV set in the room, and do some RF discharges without gloves on like that.
Otherwise just educate us all, as you no doubt feel you need to, or don't. We've all been through this several times, so feel free to change our minds. We're listening....
Rich
i did present my argument you prefer to bypass it.
i am glad you feel you have adequate proof which imo is frankly laughable.
Like i said if all this energy was put into the moray device that was reviewed in a public forum, patented in a public forum i am sure that we wold have a nice working model by now, but you want to perpetuate chasing myths and chasing a mystery more power to you.
It seems you all have made a religion out of this and well what can i say ya can never change a persons religion can ya!
i will stop back every few 100 pages of posts just to say hi :)
Oh and dont forget to keep those harmonics lined up, i am sure you will all get your kicks in the end!! :)
Quote from: kokomoj0 on May 21, 2007, 08:55:34 AM
its interesting that an aussie (Raymond Dale) is the one who claims this guy is a fraud
Raymond Dale
is an disinformation agent and probably addicted to drugs.
And I wonder if it is him ?
Read this:
Drug Hunt Lab Break-In
THREE men wanted to steal drugs when they broke into the government forensic laboratories and attempted to burn it down, a court was told yesterday. Scott Raymond Dale entered the witness stand to deny he and two others went to the laboratories to destroy evidence on behalf of another man. Under cross-examination by prosecutor Linda Mason, Mr Dale said he was not "going down" for a bomb. "You think someone who uses amphetamines would go and blow it up?" he said. "Blow it up my arm, that's the only place I'm going to blow it." Mr Dale, Trevor Stuart Fox and Bernard Graham Hall have all pleaded not guilty to being involved in an attempt to blow up the forensic laboratories at New Town in March 2000. Mr Dale, 25, of Illawarra Rd, Glenorchy, said that in 2000 he had been addicted to amphetamines and that Mr Fox had been his supplier. He said Mr Fox had told him, Wayne Howlett and Joseph Tonner that he knew where seized drugs were kept and that if they stole them, they would be shared 50-50. The court heard Mr Dale, Mr Howlett and Mr Tonner went to the laboratories with a torch and two cans of petrol. Mr Dale said the petrol was to be used to burn the building down to cover any fingerprints they might leave. He denied knowing a bomb was inside the torch. (continued)
Source: The Advertiser/Gavin Lower/7 December 2004/ http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,11612818%255E421,00.html
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 21, 2007, 10:54:27 AM
Quote from: kokomoj0 on May 21, 2007, 08:55:34 AM
its interesting that an aussie (Raymond Dale) is the one who claims this guy is a fraud
then again maybe its this guy?
Raymond Dale
Langford, Western Australia, Australia
Email: rdale@iprimus.com.au
Home page: http://home.iprimus.com.au/rdale/
Interests: Literature, physics, astronomy, quotations, bible study.
Published writer: No
Freelance: Yes
Published works:
Nonfiction
# Wisdom for Life
http://home.iprimus.com.au/rdale/fec.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1747392/posts
How about this guy?
Re: Steven Marks TPU (toroidal power unit) Update
Jerry W. Decker ( (no email) )
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Hi Folks!
Received this interesting reply that must remain anonymous but is
intended to be shared;
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Jerry, I checked out this Mark unit several years ago. I was in LA and
met people who had worked with him in the past. I friend of mine was
also involved on the periphery. Walt Rosenthal and some of the people
funding the Sabori effort to replicate the Papp engine met with the
lawyer that represents Mark. The lawyer lives in the Phillipines and is
barred from law practice in the USA. (get the picture?)
The unit you descibe in your email is one of the best examples of fraud
I have ever seen. To the trained technical eye what is going on is
obvious.
When you interview the people who have worked on this project it
confirms what the video shows, total fraud. I thought this one had been
put to bed several years ago but it keeps rising from the ashes.
------------
My comments;
Thanks, and very good to hear from you!!! I am told privately that
Marks was once living in California in a very grand lifestyle, spending
thousands per month on this big house with parties all the time at the
expense of a millionaire investor.
The article indicates when these two guys got together, they figured out
something new and novel..a new scam perhaps?
You know, I want to believe as much as the next person but am highly
skeptical...what puzzles me is why no one has at the least duplicated it
if there is a known fraud technique...
I say this because Keely made a lot of claims and did a lot of demos at
the time (1872-1898) that were written up in magazines and newspapers,
then slammed as fraud (mostly by Scientific American) by many, yet NO
ONE could duplicate even his simplest demonstration....
In my view of logic, that bothers me.
When I was going to tech school, our teacher was on sabbatical from
Texas Instruments....he gave us a problem that involved a transformer
with a turns ratio of 1:10. He said if you put in 10VAC, what would you
have to do to the transformer to get an output of 1000VAC?
We could see no way to do it and everyone declared it impossible. The
teacher smiled and said that's what he had actually seen one time, this
bizarre transformer, nothing else attached, just two coils, one primary
and one secondary that took 10VAC on the input and put out 1000VAC on
the output.
He said they put their best engineers on it and found the cause, a
partial breakdown in the windings that caused a very rapid discharge of
the input sinewave so that the energy was compressed on the output to
give high voltage but no real power.
This is something that others have found in erroneous O/U circuits where
the voltage out is greater than the voltage in and calculations indicate
more power out than in. Even the voltmeter shows more power out than in
because it stretches the high voltage spikes to average them out, giving
a false reading. It is done by wave shaping that causes a very tight
and sudden collapse from the maximum to the reference.
Of course, none of these can drive an appreciable load and sustantially
much less than the input power despite giving the appearance of more
power.
With the Marks device, if he indeed does have a battery, AND if the load
does indeed get hot after a short period, it would seem he is extracting
most of the juice out of this hidden battery.
Do you know how to duplicate this Marks device and could you describe
it? Thanks!
-- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187
Might be this guy that gn0 corrects spelling on.
About Steve Mark
Resides in California.
2004 statement: "Has a police record for lewd behavior (documents on file). Is a near impossible inventor to work with."
Challenge: If documents are on file, where are they? Doing a title search via the State of California's records show several results for home/property owners with the name Steven Mark. He could be any one of them. Which one was arrested for lewd behavior? There are also several different people with the name Steven Marks (which is not his name), chances are this is the name that was used for the search, since this is name is commonly mistaken for his real name, which is Steven Mark, no "s" at the end. -- User:Gn0stik
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator
It seems the other patent would contest this. definitely looks like a MarkS to me.
Could this be him? StevenS?
Return to the INE Main Page
THE STEVENS DEVICE: ENERGY FROM COILS OF WIRE AND A MAGNET
Here is what we know so far.
Below is:
1. Our email to request more information from our contacts;
2. An edited email response from one investigator; and
3. A telephone response from another investigator.
INE email sent: 5:27 PM, 12/30/96:
To: Energy_Sent_List
From: ine@padrak.com (Patrick Bailey)
Subject: Wanted: Info on the New Earth Resonance Device
Cc:
Bcc: Energy_Send_List
X-Attachments:
I want to find out who the primary contact is on this new "over-unity" device:
I recently saw a video about it.
The device is composed of circular coils of wire, on one planar frame, with
one coil inside the other, like two concentric rings, and with the addition a
one or more permanent magnets that are inserted into the center (or so?) of
the inner coil ring.
The device has no internal power source (like batteries, etc.).
It is supposedly tuned to the 7.23 Hz Earth's EM field.
It is shown in 3 sizes: about 10 inches in diameter, larger, and the largest
one was about 18-24 inches in diameter.
They are placed flat (parallel to the ground) in the air (on a glass table).
When the permanent magnet(s) is/are inserted, the secondary coil registers an
output of about 80-100 Volts, on a regular VTVM as seen on the tape.
The tape calls this Voltage DC, and also says that it is around 5,000 Hz,
which of course does not make sense.
The interesting thing is that when the output is connected to a regular lamp
light bulb, it lights up just fine - so the promoters say see! It lights a
100 Watt bulb, so the Amperage must be 1 Amp...--> wrong...
Anyway, keeping in mind the come-ons...
On the tape:
The smaller unit lights up one 100 Watt light bulb,
and the largest unit lights up ten 100 Watt light bulbs connected in series.
And - when the device is operating, they say it has a resistance to any
lateral or rotational motion, like a gyroscope has that same resistance to a
rotational (only) motion -
so - dum de dum dum - there are forces akin to UFO researcher's dreams
evidently at work...
Also, when the magnet(s) is/are removed, the device does not function as well,
and also, when the magnets are in and the device is turned up-side-down, it
also does not function as well.
Obviously, this device has attracted a lot of attention, and it's applications
are far-reaching and numerous, battery-powered cars and lap-tops to name just
a few...
I have also heard that the inventor has an established lawyer, that they are
very stand-off-ish, and that they want A LOT of money up-front (like a
ridiculous amount) for this device.
So: Two Questions:
1. Who is the primary contact for this device?
and
2. Who do we know that can also obtain this same knowledge from
other persons, channeled information, or Divine Sources?
Please let me know if you have any solid information on this device or its
operational physics.
All I have is two phone numbers that lead to a dead end.
No questions. This is all I know for now.
Thanks!
Email received later
and arrangements have just been made to share it:
Patrick,
[snip] He wanted US$25 million up front for the secret.
We are aware of the concept and have been designing our own
version [snip]. He is VERY paranoid about publicity; [snip].
The outer toroidal coil overheats and has no magic factors inside it other
than a length of the coil which is cut until resonance is established. In
the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument package. A magnet
is used and a resonance is established using the mechanical (Lorentz) forces
developed in the coil. The system pulses with a DC component.
Tuning is a function of the coil mass and cross-sectional aspect ratio. It
appears an elliptical cross-section is required in the coil. The converter
package in the center of the toridal coil appears to be a circuit to
convert the pulsed DC component to AC.
This whole device is a low-voltage, low frequency, high-current form of the
high-voltage, high frequency, low current Moray device. Each system has its
good and bad points....
We are working very hard to develop a working model ASAP. We have enough
funding and adequate lab facilities [snip]. When and if we have a
good working prototype and adequate stocks for immediate market penetration
we will let you know. We have a plan which is diametrically opposed to what
might be expected [snip]
Be patient and use the clues we have shared with you....
Your friends ...[snip]
Telephone Call details received sometime this year:
From memory:
For lack of any name, it is being called the "Stevens" device.
The name has no connection with anyone or anything, and is just a label.
The videotape (described above) has been around for about 1 & 1/2 to 2 years, not the 1 & 1/2 months that the INE was led to believe.
The device is being promoted by a group who wants a LOT of money for it, and wishes to maintain unknown for obvious reasons.
The device works, and no trickery has been found thus far.
Bailing wire was used in the smaller device.
The placement of the magnets are important and strategic.
The effect seen on the video is powerful; however, lighting a 100 Watt light bulb does not necessarily mean that the device is generating 100 Watts of electrical power.
The device overheats with time. This is an engineering problem that should be easy to solve by a good engineer with assistance from the inventor.
Arrangements are being made to test and develop better prototypes.
The INE will be contacted when new and better videos are available.
That's all we have for you for now.
Return to the INE Main Page
www.padrak.com/ine/STEVENS.html
Jan. 12, 1997.
http://www.padrak.com/ine/STEVENS.html
Maybe its this guy that made the sunday times?
To all, here is a story which was in the sunday times in Perth,
Western Austrailia last sunday - it relates to the Stevens device
I would like to either duplicate the effect seen on the video or
find out what this thing is .....someone told me 22 turns of 22/0076
twinflex lamp wire ...any ..more info out there?
The following has nothing to do with whether this device works but
everything to do with greed amd big business....to me this is
fascinating even if this is a scam from the ground up...
Quote:
ANGRY investors are demanding thousands of dollars from Perth inventor
Brian Collins, claiming he has failed to deliver on promises of a
revolutionary power generator.
The Sunday Times understands 35 mainly WA investors, including leading
businessmen, have handed Mr Collins about $1 million for a share in the
project in the past six years.
Another '150 to 200' people had supported earlier development
of the device, on which he first started work in the early 1970s.
The money was to further develop a secret generator that allegedly
converted natural magnetic fields into electricity, seemingly doing
the impossible by breaking a fundamental law of physics.
Mr Collins won world praise for the Collins Motor, a revolutionary
engine design which received international interest during the 1980s
and 90s.
The engine won the top award in the 1979 International Innovation and
Invention Exposition in Geneva.
Mr Collins claims the power generator will overshadow that success.
But after a string of broken promises, some investors are demanding
their money back and want answers to conflicting claims over who has
rights to the technology.
Mr Collins, who is still in WA, maintains all investors will be repaid
once a $6.9 million deal with a US company is signed on August 2.
But two angry investors have picketed Mr Collins' Victoria Park apartment
demanding to know where their money has gone.
A syndicate headed by Perth beekeeper Garth Harvey handed over $80,000
and investor Rob Blakeley contributed $17,000.
Mr Blakeley said $2000 was from the trust accounts of his two sons.
The 'short-term' loan was done on the promise of getting the
money back, plus 10 per cent and an equal value of shares in technology,
he said.
After several years, no money has been repaid to the men despite Mr
Collins' repeated promises that they would be reimbursed.
'The money was always coming tomorrow, next week or next month,' said Mr.
Blakeley, who has been waiting years for his money.
'There was always a deal being done. He had a legitimate reputation as
an inventor and we trusted him.'
The two investors said they were led to believe Mr Collins was the sole
inventor but later discovered he was working with a US associate named
Stephen Mark.
Mr Collins has told the men he and Mr Mark had been working independently
on developing similar technology and made a breakthrough when they got
together.
He has signed authority from Mr Mark to raise money for the generator,
despite claims by Philippines-based lawyer Paul Stemm, who says he has
the rights to raising money to develop the invention.
'Since January 1995 I have had the authority to promote the TPU (toroidal
power unit),' he said.
'To say that I have no involvement with Stephen's work on the development
shows total naivety.'
Mr. Collins has continued to seek investment through his many WA
supporters.
Documents show a London finance broker worked for more than a year with
the head of a leading finance bank to secure investors.
Although he refused to comment on the record to The Sunday Times, the
documents show the London link claimed to be involved in talks with
telecommunications giant Nokia and even an English lord.
The broker said the high-flyers of London's business centre were willing
to put whatever money was necessary in the machine, provided they were
satisfied it could do what was claimed.
Negotiations broke down after the head of the bank began demanding
scientific tests.
Mr. Collins denied the UK deal was ever officially supported by the bank.
He later explained he was not happy with the arrangement, which he said
did not provide adequate finance and would have seen him become a minority
partner.
'They wanted control,' he said. 'I did that with the Collins engine and
they stabbed me in the back.'
A group known as the Holy Club was also allegedly prepared to raise $50
million and in September last year Mr Collins talked with a major WA
mining company about a possible $20 million share in the technology.
None of the big deals has been signed but Mr. Collins continues to
reassure investors that an agreement is imminent which will allow him
to repay all the money he owes.
He raised much of his money to develop his engine from friends who
trusted him and had done the same to secure finance for the generator.
'I know in my heart I am doing God's work but I would be the first to
admit that I am only human and I made mistakes," he said in a letter
to an investor.
'But God knows my heart and I'm only too willing to swear on the Bible
that I will repay in full any outstanding debt that I have incurred, not
only in full but with a generous bonus.
'My commitment to God when he saved my life and showed me the vision of
a new way of generating electricity was real and I have endeavoured to
bring it to fruition from that day.
'I have never wavered from the mission I was given.'
But the plea is starting to wear thin, even by some who support him.
As one investor wrote: 'Brian, I kick myself for being so stupid and
greedy when I handed over my money.'
http://keelynet.com/interact/archive/00000563.htm
Theres a ho lotta steven going round!
Toroidal F/E device?
Jerry W. Decker ( (no email) )
Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:22:20 -0500
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Hi Folks!
Received the following email claiming a successful f/e device using
toroids;
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You wrote;
> I would like to inform you that we have a working device that was
> developed by Omnidyne Inc. The device is very simple in concept and
> does not violate any laws of electrodynamics. The device is an
> electrical generator that uses a toroidal coil as the stator section.
>
> As you know toroidal coils trap 99% of the associated magnetic flux
> thus Lenz's law does not apply to this type of coil there is no flux
> around the conductor the external field does not exist it is all
> within the core of the toroidal. As you know all that is required to
> generate or induce a voltage is to have a relative motion between a
> conductor and a magnetic field.
>
> If there is a completed circuit then current will flow generating
> a magnetic field which in the case of the toroidal is trapped and in
> the case of other coils is external to the coil and in opposition to
> the flux field that induced the flow i.e. Lenz's law.
>
> The fact that the toroidal traps 99% of the associated flux is the
> same if you apply or induce a voltage. The torque of any electrical
> generator is due to the flux field interactions of Lenz's law.
>
> The magnetic force that the rotor encounters must be overcome by the
> application of an input torque but with our design we are able to
> trap this flux so that there is no external flux field to interact
> with that of the rotor thus we have eliminated about 90% of the input
> torque required to produce electrical power output.
>
> In the many models that we have produced we have learned many things.
> The most important is that the flux field interactions that exist in
> current generators also greatly reduces the amount of inductive
> reactance so by eliminating this flux field interaction we have a
> very large value of inductive reactance which drops the terminal
> voltage when current flows IxZ=voltage drop thus we have been working
> on this design issue and have developed several solutions.
>
> This is not a thermal dynamic system thus it does not violate any
> laws of thermodynamics.
I remember reading something about Omnidyne once before but as I recall
when I checked out the the website URK it had no information, just an
announcement that the information would be posted in future.
I did a search and could find no omnidyne webpage nor any reference in
the search engines for additional information.
Anti-Lenz tapping has been claimed in several mechanical free energy
devices though to my knowledge none are commercially available as having
been proven as overunity.
You gave no information as to power input vs power output which I find
puzzling. The closest thing I know about use of toroids is a version of
Sweets vta that used a bifilar type toroid and the mysterious Mark
Stevens or Steven Marks (though I understand the name isn't valid either
way) device which uses some kind of excited coil to produce energy from
the earths ambient magnetic field.
The video shows it on a glass table with no outside wires to any remote
power source, yet running several light bulbs. One guy walked across
the room with the thing in his hands and about every 3 feet or so, the
device would push up against his hands as if intercepting a magnetic
flux line.
The video has a lot of people interested and one of my contacts says a
multimillionaire funded the inventor which is how the video was
produced. The story was the inventor was blowing this investors money
bigtime on a fancy house and a very out there lifestyle.<g>...now that's
the story I was told, I don't know and I don't care about that...my
interest was in the machine and how it works, can it be reproduced and
produce useful power, whether mechanical, magnetic or electrical.
Here is what I found on the Stevens toroidal coils;
http://www.padrak.com/ine/STEVENS.html
The device is composed of circular coils of wire, on one planar frame,
with one coil inside the other, like two concentric rings, and with the
addition one or more permanent magnets that are inserted into the center
(or so?) of the inner coil ring.
It is supposedly tuned to the 7.23 Hz Earth's EM field.
It is shown in 3 sizes: about 10 inches in diameter, larger, and the
largest one was about 18-24 inches in diameter. They are placed flat
(parallel to the ground) in the air (on a glass table).
When the permanent magnet(s) is/are inserted, the secondary coil
registers an output of about 80-100 Volts, on a regular VTVM as seen on
the tape. The tape calls this Voltage DC, and also says that it is
around 5,000 Hz, which of course does not make sense.
The interesting thing is that when the output is connected to a regular
lamp light bulb, it lights up just fine - so the promoters say see! It
lights a 100 Watt bulb, so the Amperage must be 1 Amp...--> wrong...
And - when the device is operating, they say it has a resistance to any
lateral or rotational motion, like a gyroscope has that same resistance
to a rotational (only) motion
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Is this the Omnidyne group in the next email to INE?
He wanted US$25 million up front for the secret. We are aware of the
concept and have been designing our own version [snip]. He is VERY
paranoid about publicity; [snip].
The outer toroidal coil overheats and has no magic factors inside it
other than a length of the coil which is cut until resonance is
established. In the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument
package. A magnet is used and a resonance is established using the
mechanical (Lorentz) forces developed in the coil. The system pulses
with a DC component.
Tuning is a function of the coil mass and cross-sectional aspect ratio.
It appears an elliptical cross-section is required in the coil. The
converter package in the center of the toridal coil appears to be a
circuit to convert the pulsed DC component to AC.
This whole device is a low-voltage, low frequency, high-current form of
the high-voltage, high frequency, low current Moray device. Each system
has its good and bad points....
----------------
INVENTION:
Over Unity, solid state electrical output for lighting, no apparent
input, appears toroidal in geometry or similar to a Hendershot
Generator, will not demonstrate device running motors. Video tape shows
three devices of different sizes.
here is a rather negative report on this Steven Mark guy;
http://www.padrak.com/ine/SMARK.html
------------------
So, could you provide additional information about the input vs output,
the experiment protocols and maybe a rough layout?
Are you planning to sell it, or the plans or a working device?
What would you like me or others to do to assist?
Many would be interested for certain...thanks for any additional
information you can provide...
-- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187
Then again who knows maybe this is him?
Seems marks has all kinds of names and gets around a lot.
so this guy is asking 25 million for a coil of wire and out of the generosity and good altruistic nature of his ever lovin heart he is going to come here to OU and just give it away as a gift to humanity!????
i can just see him laughing, waiting for one of you to come up with a better mouse trap for him.
Like i said no papers filed = no tpu. i really do not know how anyone could buy into this reading the above past few posts considering that there is so much controversey over it without at a minimum looking into it to verify if he is in fact real.
Under the circumstances HE needs to prove HE is real not the other way around and until HE is proven real i feel it is a waste of everyones time. hey you guys do what you will but frankly imo you may all want to do a rethink.
kokomoj0 :
Please go get a life!
Regards
Chris
Quote from: chrisC on May 21, 2007, 07:03:49 PM
kokomoj0 :
Please go get a life!
Regards
Chris
Thanks chris but i do not have "stars" in my eyes blinding me like some do and i absolutely mean that respectfully because everyone here means well.
Look at this "He wanted US$25 million up front for the secret."
reading it agine it looks like his latest gig was for 50 million.
He is not selling a device he is selling a secret!
There is a huge difference!!!
Think about if the device is for sale why is he being so kind to GIVE it to you? So you too can sell the secret for 25 million?
i wont go into all the details of how easy it is to fake a device like this and how he did it, i will leave that for those who prefer learn through hands on.
Anyway i think i made my point or at least should have by now.
Quote from: kokomoj0 on May 21, 2007, 06:56:44 PM
so this guy is asking 25 million for a coil of wire and out of the generosity and good altruistic nature of his ever lovin heart he is going to come here to OU and just give it away as a gift to humanity!????
i can just see him laughing, waiting for one of you to come up with a better mouse trap for him.
Like i said no papers filed = no tpu. i really do not know how anyone could buy into this reading the above past few posts considering that there is so much controversey over it without at a minimum looking into it to verify if he is in fact real.
Under the circumstances HE needs to prove HE is real not the other way around and until HE is proven real i feel it is a waste of everyones time. hey you guys do what you will but frankly imo you may all want to do a rethink.
now thats what i call disinformation .. good work .. lmfao
enough subtlety .. seriously, do u work for UEC?
devilzangel
..
Quote from: devilzangel on May 21, 2007, 08:13:24 PM
now thats what i call disinformation .. good work .. lmfao
enough subtlety .. seriously, do u work for UEC?
devilzangel
..
ok i have said to much already, you know my life may be threatened and i cant reveal any more than that, you will have to talk with my attorney if you want any more information.
just keep winding!
@kokomoj0
Go AWAY! (for the last time)
Quote from: Dansway on May 21, 2007, 08:46:14 PM
@kokomoj0
Go AWAY! (for the last time)
hey i just thought you would be interested in knowing he actually made the newspaper... sheesh
kokomoj0:
I think most people are are trying to tell you (in the most polite way) that they understand and still want to pursue the TPU technology SM showed. Now, who owned the technology is not what we are interested. Got it?
Now, if you would pardon us, we don't need a pest of a 'reporter' in this forum. This is not the National Enquirer! Maybe you need a life as a reporter elsewhere.
Now, for the last time, please GET LOST!
You're getting on my nerves,
Chris
What ever happened to torturing us only every 100 posts or so?
It seems perhaps that was a disengenuous statement.
Would that make you a fraud?
Pretty soon you might be asking us to give you $25M to go away.
hey when its all said and done i really dont care you know?
i did the research on him becuase i felt that it ws faked and from what found it seems it is faked. Its not like i didnt give you guys a chance to come up with patents pending or whatever. no need to get angry with me for your own shortcomings. It really does not matter to me if you wind s omany coils you create a copper shortage frankly.
i thought i was doing you guys a favor but it seems blind faith has more veracity than hard research.
Hello all,
@Kokomoj0
Until this year ends you will build your own TPU and be one of the greatest believer in this technology.
Otto
Quote from: kokomoj0 on May 22, 2007, 01:06:29 AM
hey when its all said and done i really dont care you know?
i did the research on him becuase i felt that it ws faked and from what found it seems it is faked. Its not like i didnt give you guys a chance to come up with patents pending or whatever. no need to get angry with me for your own shortcomings. It really does not matter to me if you wind s omany coils you create a copper shortage frankly.
i thought i was doing you guys a favor but it seems blind faith has more veracity than hard research.
Hello kokomoj0,
We are not slamming you for doing some legitimate research to find about more information about Mr. Mark. It is just that most of us have been working on this project for over a year now (and we are making great headway). Most of the information you are posting has already been addressed in the first 50 pages of the "Master of Magnets" thread. Our intention is not to bite you head off. But if you actually go through and read some of the posts by Lindsay Mannix concerning some of the above information you posted, there is actually a LOT more going on here than what it appears at first glance.
As others here have suggested, regardless of what the article says, if you look through the pages and pages of research that we have done on this device, we have found that it is legitimate based on what we know and have experimented with. Otherwise this section of the forum would have died months ago. As you can also tell, we have a very LOW tolerance for nay-sayers; Again, simply because we had to deal with so many of them back at the beginning before things quieted down and we could get to the business of experimenting.
Again, thank you for your interest in the subject but please at least search through all of the old postings to make sure that any information you find hasn't already been discussed. That detracts from the progress of the project (and gets on people's nerves as you can clearly see).
God Bless,
Jason O
@Kokomoj0
Please slow down and just read.
We just want to research here the TPU uninterrupted.
Otherwise I have to set you into read only mode.
You have brought your point across, that you don?t believe into
the TPU. Okay, now we just don?t agree. So let us just see, with what we will
come up.
Thanks for understanding.
Regards, Stefan. (admin)
otto: you are correct i did take it as a slam and i bid you the best of luck in meeting your goals and if you are correct you all will get a formal apololgy from me.
Stephan: For now we will agree to disagree and i will drop it as i certainly do not wish to disrupt the forum. Also i have been having difficulty finding really good information on morays generator, do you have or know of any good resources that i can reference?
respectfully,
kokomojo
HAHAHAHAHAH " AS THE TPU TURNS " and the saga continues. this is great reading what a story. I don't care if it works or not I'm have ing fun. Leave my Legos alone ....get your own box
I have to ask if anyone here has come to the conclusion that "Steven Mark" is not even his real name. In some of the first posts, (the ones that were deleted) it gave hint that it was a user name. Heck, my name could be Dain Brainsworth.
Too many coils to quit now tho.
sugra
Wow, I never thought I would see so many get so twisted about interesting points brought up, and a person asking, pleading to be proven wrong. Shrug I guess paradigms exist everywhere, the only thing different is what they are. Personally I have no data either way, works or not, for those who do believe it works, could it possibly be a good idea to formulate postulates of its operation, with some data to reinforce the concepts? For example, one possible power source for the TPU is the earths own magnetic resonance. If the earths magnetic field fluxuates then it could produce some usable power. If the changes are periodic then possibly a reverse tesla coil concept could provide the answer. a harmonic resonant induction coil that captures a small amount of energy each period then stores it for a split second and releases it in conjunction with the next flux, (a cap could hold the charge, or maybe an induction coil to slow the charge down to be in time with the next pulse). Run enough of these pulses together and maybe getting the pulse voltage (#of coils) in tune, and maybe you can get a useable amount of power from a secondary coil. And who knows you might have to collect two pusles rotating in opposite directions and combining them after they have built up enough momentum. And if the earths magnetic pulse moves from the ground at perpendicular direction, then I would suppose the coils would have to be wound to take that into consideration, and turning it upside down would probably have an effect on the arrangement.
Just a thought.