Will someone please explain to me what it is about the human race that is worth our efforts in trying to save it?
It is clear that the human race can do things that no other animal on this planet can do. It is like a gift, but it is our choice to use it or destroy it. Scientist say that the probability that a species such as ours coming into existance is extreme. Why not use our gifts to drive ourselves to become better through non physical evolution? When will we become one of the view species to ever colonize another planet? That fact that a human can question is what makes us so unique. :)
Quote from: xenobard on May 23, 2007, 07:27:40 PM
Will someone please explain to me what it is about the human race that is worth our efforts in trying to save it?
Who's trying to save the human race? It's quite obvious that there have been bad times in your life and from the state of the world today it seems that there is no hope for humanity (no pun intended hope for humanity). I'll tell you i've been trampled on by society had everything that meant anything to me taken. Many rights trampled on and my freedoms threatend for defending my ammendment rights.
I wake up every morning and ask myself this question, Is mankind worthy of what i have to offer? The answer is allways NO. But at some point during every day I see good in people, i see good deeds done. I see people helping eachother without monitary gain. Usually by the time i lay down to sleep i question my answer of NO.
There is good and bad in everyone! Choose what you want to dwell on.
Don't save the world - live as part of it. Which is ment in a similar vain as the saying of Mahatma Gandhi, "Be the change you wish to see."
When I was beat down by the world around me it became very easy to respond with hate and contempt. Just letting those emotions take over preserved ("saved") the environment which lead to those emotions. Talk about a perpetual motion machine! It is a struggle when the wounds are fresh or the scars a constant reminder.
If you want the human race to be other than you see it - be that change and the world will follow. Not to say the human race won't end, but to do nothing is to let others choose for you.
Yawn. Not convinced. Sorry. I've been abused by teachers, pinned down and strapped to a dentist's chair and had teeth pulled, beaten and permanently maimed by a bullies, beaten by parents, uprooted and moved to a different city 5 times, operated on, come to be addicted to drugs, and even had a gun held to my head by a gangster, all before I was 16.
Then, I escaped to college and university, got qualified to obtain work visas to teach English to stupid rich people in foreign countries so I could go and see what it was like other countries. I realized it was worse everywhere.
What irony! The world is so f****d up that it has ended up conspiring against the very creative geniuses that could in fact actually come up with the solutions that would actually save the world.
LOL
What irony indeed.
Does anyone else see the irony?
LOL
I'm having a great time laughing at this irony.
Of course, I have no desire whatsoever to lift any sort of proverbial finger to help humanity.
In fact, humanity should be glad that I am, in fact, such a nice person as to not seek revenge. Humanity should be happy with me for that.
I will be glad to sit back and watch humanity spiral down around the proverbial drain, unless someone comes up with a better argument than "there is a little bit of something worth saving in everybody".
@xenobard
Nothing in literature can get this point across to you. Nothing in our words or others. You can read all you want about making spaghetti, but nothing will replace tasting it live. You will know when it is time. When you meet the perfect smile. When you see your own come into this world and how they cling to you, you will know.
When you put all your anger into something positive as you have lived through more than most at your age, you will become your own example of why there is a worth.
The option is death. So try to lie down on your back. Close your eyes, close your mind and pretend that you are dead. No more movement, no more feeling, no more effort to survive. Just leave your mind and lie dead forever. Try it for just 15 minutes. Now how fun is that?
But if you ask me the answer is very simple. Don't ask yourself such crappy questions. One day when you will die, you will then be dead for eternity and you will have all the time in the world to ask yourself all sorts of questions. But now that you are here, it is your choice to be the best person you can, not to make the best world you would like. If you become the best you can, and if others do the same, then you will know that you cannot save humanity. You can only save yourself from yourself.
Last thing. Your mind and the way you tune it will attract the very conditions you convey. It goes above and beyond any other power. The power of the mind to create the reality that it is continuously thinking of. So, change your thoughts and YOUR WORLD will change for you. And that is all that really matters. Be aware that your mind is not your best friend. It will torment you, it will make you ask so many crazy questions and give you so many phobias, and for some, it will make you jump off a bridge. Now what kind of friend is that. So your own mind, this powerful magnifier needs to be controlled. When you learn to control it, you will know you are saved.
Xenobard, they is you. Learn to love yourself.
What you describe are effects, look for the ultimate cause.
You seem to be intelligent, follow your thoughts to their ultimate end, and beyond.
All your observations are true and correct, but that's not all there is.
Your original question is a trick question because it presents certain assumptions or opinions as fact and so limits answers to those that accept and are based on those 'facts'.
Your question is not very honest. When I have asked that same question, I myself was not being very honest. Or should I say clear?
Love is the answer to your original question. Love with a capital 'L'. This is hard to accept, I know, but it's true.
Thanks for sharing your ironic humour, yes it is funny.
Les.
Quote from: xenobard on May 24, 2007, 08:33:54 AM
Yawn. Not convinced. Sorry. I've been abused by teachers, pinned down and strapped to a dentist's chair and had teeth pulled, beaten and permanently maimed by a bullies, beaten by parents, uprooted and moved to a different city 5 times, operated on, come to be addicted to drugs, and even had a gun held to my head by a gangster, all before I was 16.
Then, I escaped to college and university, got qualified to obtain work visas to teach English to stupid rich people in foreign countries so I could go and see what it was like other countries. I realized it was worse everywhere.
What irony! The world is so f****d up that it has ended up conspiring against the very creative geniuses that could in fact actually come up with the solutions that would actually save the world.
LOL
What irony indeed.
Does anyone else see the irony?
LOL
I'm having a great time laughing at this irony.
Of course, I have no desire whatsoever to lift any sort of proverbial finger to help humanity.
In fact, humanity should be glad that I am, in fact, such a nice person as to not seek revenge. Humanity should be happy with me for that.
I will be glad to sit back and watch humanity spiral down around the proverbial drain, unless someone comes up with a better argument than "there is a little bit of something worth saving in everybody".
BAH!
My mind is fine. I have no desire to die or jump of a bridge, even WITH a bungee cord, and imagining being dead doesn't sound like very much fun at all.
See, all I've learned in all of these troubles I've had is that I don't like humans. I just don't care about them. I don't want to have one for a girlfriend or even have any for children. I just want to be left alone to enjoy the fantastical journies I take in my mind. I'm perfectly happy to be left alone in my room.
That's normal and not unusual. There are millions of people doing the exact same thing, and millions of others who'd like to do that if they could, and still more who are doing it but not within the confines of their rooms.
The difficulty is, you are human too and also exhibit, in some form or another, all of the repulsive features you see in others. So, really, all your struggles are struggles with yourself. It's perfectly natural to want to run from that fact, but even if you do there is no escaping from it, not really, as running from it only perpetuates it.
The question I have in relation to your fantastical journeys is, what is a journey without a destination? It is pointless, meaningless, temporary wandering. At best, a scenic tour. So then, is that what you are, a tourist? If not, then you must have a direction or purpose, a destination beyond the scenic views. Go to that destination, via your train of thought, through the wonderful landscapes of your mind. That is where the answer to all your questions awaits.
I don't want to say much more than this because this isn't really the place for it. I've said what I said because in your words I see a kindred spirit, a fellow traveller. You've made me smile and I wish you all the best.
Les.
being happy in your head is a luxury given to you by us HUMANS you dispise, you are a joke buddy. Why rant about your hardships? we dont care, we are here to be friends, that sounds like a concept you are foreign to so leave us alone ok. Next time you need some teeth pulled tell the dentist just how much you hate him or the next time you get mugged make sure to tell the mugger you dispise his entire race. Make sense yet? we care to be cared about, whether its subconsiously or not. There is hope that we can live forever on this planet, science is proving that now. I certainly will not give up even after my parents were taken, and my brother shot in front of me. I am in the fight for life, on the good side!
Sincerely Sypherios
lol...
:D
@Sypherios
1. Good side / Bad side? WTH are you talking about?
2. Why are you flaming ME about luxury? Holy Crap. Do you need attention or something? I'm able to live this lifestyle because I am smart and frugal, smart enough not to be entrapped (too much) by materialism.
3. Why do you assume humanity has done ANYTHING for me? LOL. I got to where I am on my OWN. Solo. No company, no friends, nobody gave me anything, except my parents, of course. But as an adult, I got to where I am by letting stupid rich people think they were using me for a while when in fact I was using them.
@Les
"I've said what I said because in your words I see a kindred spirit, a fellow traveller."
Wherever you go there you are. I'm always at my destination, always self-actualized, always content.
Look. I'll destroy all your arguments for getting involved in saving humanity. Believe me, I have thought about it more deeply than any of you have. Believe me when I say that I have every good reason not to want to get involved. I despise the notion of joining humanity. I despise humanity.
And I have no self guilt at the notion that I am also human. I recognize the fact that I can not help but be despicably human-like to some extent as I am, unfortunately, still living in a human society. I am not yet an ascetic. I'm working on that, though. I suppose you could say my 'destination' is a place that is extricated from human society, a nowhereland, a cabin on a cliff above the sea from which the cougar does not flee and where there is no human reverie.
Ok than why are you posting here? You asked for an explaination several people responded with their views. I personally don't see where this thread has anything to do with research of unity, over-unity, free-energy or any kind of mechanism to produce such an effect. You say your content with bieng seporated from society but you come into this forum looking for interraction from society.
Why bother? you ask.. DOGMA!!!
@ring theory
"Ok than why are you posting here? You asked for an explaination several people responded with their views. I personally don't see where this thread has anything to do with research of unity, over-unity, free-energy or any kind of mechanism to produce such an effect. You say your content with bieng seporated from society but you come into this forum looking for interraction from society."
Interesting, isn't it? It seems to be a contradiction or a paradox, does it not - the fact that I obviously want to join humanity and interact and help further civilization, and yet, at the same time, despise civilization and wish to extricate myself from it.
Any psych majors around?
Quote from: xenobard on May 24, 2007, 06:54:14 PM
Any psych majors around?
http://www.jimblog.net/wp-content/uploads/sacredtexts/eso/som
It sounds like you don't want to actualy blame humanity, but instead just want to blame civilization. Civilization is a beast, and your only need is to survive in it, but no matter how much you hate it, you are the one who is serving it. Civilization is made of organized societies, each society can drive you mad, but in reality the entire Civilization is whats driving you mad because every human has a built in characteristic to hate organization itself. It is true that the majority of people are insane, and that no matter how hard we try to create a good government, it ends with people serving people. Civilization, in a true sense, is simply a spider web, and the spider being the mob. In reality, you yourself are an Anarchist. :(
@Hopeforhumanity
Wow. you sure have me pegged. How'd you do that so quick?
Sorry. I am not an 'anarchist' nor a 'republican' nor am I a 'democrat' nor an antichrist nor any other label people give themselves.
I apologize. Really, I am trying to make a concerted effort to get along with people. I really do want to be friendly. I just can't help expressing my emotions.
How DARE you label me like that?
If you are a psych major and are really just trying to help, can you please just diagnose my bifurcated identity: one part wanting to join humanity and save it, and the other part wishing to extricate itself from humanity and happily sit back and watch it destroy itself. This is my problem. This is what I need to figure out. This is VERY important to me.
Quote from: xenobard on May 24, 2007, 06:54:14 PM
@ring theory
"Ok than why are you posting here? You asked for an explaination several people responded with their views. I personally don't see where this thread has anything to do with research of unity, over-unity, free-energy or any kind of mechanism to produce such an effect. You say your content with bieng seporated from society but you come into this forum looking for interraction from society."
Interesting, isn't it? It seems to be a contradiction or a paradox, does it not - the fact that I obviously want to join humanity and interact and help further civilization, and yet, at the same time, despise civilization and wish to extricate myself from it.
Any psych majors around?
I don't find it the least bit interesting. It's actually pretty boring like a rerun of a tv sitcom. Yet another person on the face of this planet reaches the point when they question weither they want to seporate themselfs from society and become a recluse. or contribute to society by attempting to improve it in even the smallest way. Good luck with that! Let me know how it turns out! You don't seek psycological help you might fool some of these other yahoo's but I know you only seek acceptance and peers. Again good luck with that! Again let me know how it turns out.
OK I'm going to ramble a bit, but here goes:
What most of us if fail to realise our mortality, by that I mean we are programmed not to understand that life is short. Sure we KNOW life is short but we don't really UNDERSTAND that life is short. This is a self protection the human body has inbuilt.
Now considering this, we are in a rare moment in time, that is our existence right now is both UNIQUE and RARE and SHORT. We have one moment that is ours.
When we lose PERSPECTIVE we don't realise that things can also be admired and enjoyed, not just seen as dull or obstacles.
We forget that even a simple leaf which we swipe past should be admired as it is extremely complex and wonderful. That the world was immensely different even 200 years ago and we are living in a crazy but lucky time (less disease, longer life etc). That a sky full of stars is EXTRAORDINARY: billions of immense galaxies.
So PERSPECTIVE means we see things from a certain point of view. Eg the galaxies are seen from a certain point of view (many light years in the past). They can be seen as simply specks of light in the sky or can be seen as massive amazing wonders.
On earth we are persuaded into a certain PERSPECTIVE. We see things a certain way and are influenced by our surroundings. What is exciting is that as humans we can change our perspective, look at things a different way. We can see other humans as annoying, destructive, cruel, or we can see humans as flexible beings that can change their perspective or point of view and hence how they act and who they are. It is thus clear that humans that can be good OR bad depending on their circumstances and upbringing.
If you can change YOUR perspective and see things in a different light, then you will find that the world will change around you. The world will look different, and also you will influence that world. To what extent is up to you.
My aim is to change the world by developing free energy machines, and to me that will send a wave of joy throughout the world which will make life even more enjoyable for all of us, and hopefully preserve the planet to some extent. We need to see that creating joy in both ouselves and others is a worthwhile goal. If we can't be excited and happy then what is the point! We need to perpetuate change.
It's up to you.
I would like everyone to know that Anarchist's arn't bad people, they just prefer less civilization. And that no matter what we say or think, people have true sides they cant get rid of. At interest, I am a Libertarian, but in reality, I am an Anarchist my self. Probably around 95% of people on this planet are Anarchist in reality. You may deny it, but by action, we all hate organization. Most people however, never catch themselves in the act of supporting Anarchism. And because people are programmed to have a generaly negative outlook on Anarchism, they deny it. Don't hate yourself for Anarchist actions, without them we wouldn't be human. And don't forget that most fights for freedom were fueled by Anarchism itself.
Hopeforhumanity
I am not insulted that you called me an anarchist as opposed to a libertarian. I am insulted that you called me anything at all; insulted that you labeled me and thus diminished me. Why do you diminish yourself by calling yourself a libertarian or an anarchist?
I realize it is a choice: join humanity and further it; or extricate oneself from humanity watch it rise or watch it fall, whichever may be the case.
I can't seem to choose...
There is much I could 'accomplish', whatever it is that 'accomplish' might mean in this blink of a moment we call human civilization. I could help in great ways. But I would not do so for money, nor fame, nor out of any sense of duty or anything like that. Nor would I do it simply because I can. I suppose I will accomplish things to amaze people. I seem to enjoy amazing people. It makes me laugh.
Anyway. Can I have the last word in my own thread and can we let this dead horse lie quietly finally?
OK! ;)
Quote from: xenobard on May 24, 2007, 09:22:27 PMIf you are a psych major and are really just trying to help, can you please just diagnose my bifurcated identity: one part wanting to join humanity and save it, and the other part wishing to extricate itself from humanity and happily sit back and watch it destroy itself. This is my problem. This is what I need to figure out. This is VERY important to me.
Maybe start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation_%28psychology%29
Or maybe, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-traumatic_stress_disorder
Besides living out of a car at a rest stop in Florida, I was kidnapped and beat by an angry mob (two events). Of course, these things are not isolated or unique - many experience much worse (orphan children in russia).
My thinking is that you should only engage society in ways you find comfortable and time will heal the past (slowly). To force yourself might bring out the negative persona that seeks equalization through retribution. In this regard you appear to be doing well.
Please, don't forget this is the human condition, but it seems people start at different places in the same maze and no one ever makes it out alive.
"And how am I to face the odds, of man's bedevilment and God's, I a stranger and afraid in a world I never made?" ? A.E. Housman (1859-1936)
"The punishment for the wise man who refuses to get involved in politics is to be ruled by lesser men." ? Plato
There are signs of the struggle everywhere.
Xeno, yes the masses who are asses unfortunately make up 85% of this world, they run around with the blinders on and then join the popular movement of the week, glommer-oners I believe I've heard them called... more like "lemmings" in lots of ways.
This board is merely a bunch of people that for the most part, are looking for alternative, suppressed & hindered devices and machines to live more autonomously and not rely on anyone else to provide for them, which at the same time gaff them mercilously for $$
The other thing I suggest is a good indica or sativa strain son, might lighten your mood up and make you see where some of us are coming from.
-rapttor
see you swimming down in arizona bay....
@xenobard
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :'(
Boo hoo! The world is unfair!
I had a rough life, and many of friends have had rougher lives. A shit load worse than the things you discribed earlier in the thread. The point is to do it for yourself or don't bother doing it at all. If you're having trouble deciding on weather or not to research alternative energies because "people suck", your contribution would probably be marginal at best. Only those who have a genuine interest and absolute dedication, contribute anything of use. So here is your answer in a series of questions...
Do you genuinely care about research and discovery?
Do you really care about finding a better way to do things?
Would you be more inclided to spend your extra money on research rather than having fun?
Would you spend years discovering something new as opposed to just having something that works?
Would you skip lunch for a week to be able to afford research materials?
You should have realized by now which side of the fence you're on. But to make it short and sweet... If you answered "no" to any of those questions than you should just give up now.
Just my 2 cents,
~Dingus
P.S. We're not saving hamanity here, we're researching. Get over yourselves! >:(
@Dingus Mungus
Hmm. Guess I won't be having the last word for a while.
"re: P.S. We're not saving hamanity here, we're researching. Get over yourselves!"
You're not trying to save the world? Why the h$$l not? Why would I want to devote my potential to anything other than saving the world? H$$l, if you guys aren't in the business of saving the world I want nothing to do with you all.
You say, 'Get over yourselves'. I say get your heads out of your arses and realise the world is going to hell in a hand-basket BECAUSE people like you aren't in the business of saving the world.
I mean holy crap! Has it not occurred to you that it is people like YOU who are destroying the world BY researching merely for the sake of researching.
You know, not so long ago whoever it was decided it might be fun to research splitting the atom. How utterly stupid! It is the stupidity of people like those who researched splitting the atom that I DESPISE most.
You are forgeting the other useful things we have learned from splitting the atom, and it's the peoples actions negatively using the research which makes itself destructive. I went through the same stage as you did; you'll get over it.....
The research gives us an interest, a goal, a motivation.
The research itself is one element that makes life worthwhile, with an outcome that will be fantastic! Yippee, you have an interest, a hobby!
It is a release for all our pent-up frustrations!
Quote from: xenobard on May 23, 2007, 07:27:40 PM
Will someone please explain to me what it is about the human race that is worth our efforts in trying to save it?
Well, all humans are a part of the global animal life. We have the power to make and do things no other animals can do.
We humans are also animals which have a need to defend our conviction, defend our territory etc. - this is basic instincts.
We are ran by these instincts in a greater extent than we like to believe or think - "we are after all supreme civilized beings on this planet". The result is wars, hunger, terrorism, envy - we all want to have it our way, which of course doesn't fit everybody. So most of us are forced to subservience, because there are individuals among us which have greater influence on people than you and me - these men and women are bosses, presidents, prime ministers, kings and queens. Then there will always be rebels far down on the social ladder which always will try to move upwards using stupid and primitive means as throwing stones, swearing, shooting, fighting etc.
We are after all quite primitive beings. Not so strange there is wars, hunger, terrorism, envy on this planet after all?
We will at the end survive as the strongest ones - in one or another way. Probably not a fair game!
Br.
Vidar
@ low-q / vidar
Nice post. Thanks. Unfortunately, I agree with pretty much everything you said, and, therefore, I am left with the same problem as before. Humans are the most despicable of animals, and, therefore, have the least right of all animals to survive. Yet, on the other hand, there would be no better objective towards which to devote my potential other than ensuring humanity's survival as a righteous and virtuous member of the society of life on this planet. Therefore, for me to begin using my potential, I must discover some glimmer of hope in humanity being capable of transcending its despicable, primitive nature, and, therefore, witness it being capable of somehow existing in harmony and balance with the universe. Otherwise, I feel any use of my potential in contributing to human civilization in its current course would be unethical.
>>I simply could not live with myself if I allowed anyone to use me in order to further an agenda of domination and exploitation over others.<<
Without proof of humanity being capable to transcend its tenancy towards spiritual self-sabotage, I'll be quite content to live a simple, quiet life of no particular importance or influence.
Now, as I see it, I have two choices:
1. I can simply abstain from facilitating the agendas of the current spiritually abased socio-political / economic leaders of human society, and live a life of quiet protest and watch the world fall apart around them. This scenario ends with me having a great laugh at their expense.
2. I could start using my potential in holding the new socio-economic / political global ruling class accountable to humanity and the future of life on planet Earth.
Which should I choose? Which would you choose?
Ah, silly humans. Kicks are for twids.
--giantkiller. Hence the name.
Convince me thine quest is noble and I will serve thee! :P
Quote from: xenobard on May 25, 2007, 10:55:29 PM
@Dingus Mungus
You're not trying to save the world? Why the h$$l not? Why would I want to devote my potential to anything other than saving the world? H$$l, if you guys aren't in the business of saving the world I want nothing to do with you all.
You say, 'Get over yourselves'. I say get your heads out of your arses and realise the world is going to hell in a hand-basket BECAUSE people like you aren't in the business of saving the world.
I mean holy crap! Has it not occurred to you that it is people like YOU who are destroying the world BY researching merely for the sake of researching.
You know, not so long ago whoever it was decided it might be fun to research splitting the atom. How utterly stupid! It is the stupidity of people like those who researched splitting the atom that I DESPISE most.
You missed my points entirely...
and then assumed the rest...
We're all hobbiests and researchers. No one in these forums has changed the world on a mass scale yet. At least to my knowledge that is. So rather than giving up your HOBBY because "people suck and are not worth saving", just do some USEFUL research and treat it like what it is: a hobby. Then the philosophical mish mash you keep spouting loses its power over your free will. And for the record... Maybe a handful of people will actually solve the problems we face, so don't assume your time means a guaranteed solution of some sort. Just be a realist. So lets all just take our selves a little less seriously... Its just your time, brain power and what ever you can afford in materials thats all. Normal "sucky" people spend those same prerequisites on far less important endeavours like drinking. So suck it up and just know time spent researching things that might help mankind, may be the most benifical thing that would make you a better person than the rest of todays gene pool.
I don't disagree with you, but your logic is still a cop-out...
@Dingus Mungus
I didn't miss your point. It seems you missed your own:
"So lets all just take our selves a little less seriously... "
That sounds a lot like, 'can't we all just get along?'. Talk about a 'cop' out.
Seriously, why sell yourself short like that. Why don't you dare to think you CAN change the world?
Prepare youselves for xenobards half-baked idea coming soon in a thread near this one...
@xenobard's Half Baked Ideas
Yeh, I could see it now. An anti-xenophobia cloaking device that renders the user invisible when leaving the santuary of their home. Enjoy the outdoors without the hassle of speaking to humans. I'm sure you'll have a good following. lol
@xenobard
I got a couple questions for ya myself.
Was you discharged. or escape from the looney bin?? ???
If neither of the above. I suggest you check yourself in. You're in dire need of mental health. Besides. you might even get a padded cell where ya can be all alone. ;)
I'm prayin for ya right now, that ya won't start another f***ed up thread like this one.
Oh. By the way. I'm not too fond of the people in this world either. Greed Bro Greed!!!
I'm inspired by people every day - even the ones I don't agree with. People that put every effort forth and open themselves up to the ridicule of others. Nothing can be built without making mistakes and taking losses - the billions that were here before us. I know of no other way to honor them.
@idnick
Ahh. The loony bin. Good times.
/me enjoys a few fond reminiscences for a while, feels a flashback coming on.
/me snaps out of it.
What were we talking about? Ahh. Right. The loony bin.
/me enjoys a few reminiscences for...
:P
Seriously, though, what does it matter whether or not I'm insane as long as my ideas save the world?
@wattsup
My first half-baked idea was the super-neo-techno-wigwams. Didn't you notice the thread on it?
Super-neo-techno-wigwams seem a lot more practical than invisibility suits.
/me gives wattsup a confused look
Quote from: xenobard on May 27, 2007, 07:57:23 AM
@Dingus Mungus
I didn't miss your point. It seems you missed your own:
"So lets all just take our selves a little less seriously... "
That sounds a lot like, 'can't we all just get along?'. Talk about a 'cop' out.
Seriously, why sell yourself short like that. Why don't you dare to think you CAN change the world?
Prepare youselves for xenobards half-baked idea coming soon in a thread near this one...
This'll be my last post in this thread...
I feel a flame war brewing here.
Exactly how can you confuse "taking yourself less seriously" with "can't we all just get along"?
Seriously??? Considering I was saying "you're not shit" in so many words.
I was trying to explain a simple fact of life. You specificly probably won't "save mankind"... Get used to the idea.
Ideals are important, but reaserch and confirmed results are much more important here. While anyone of us might change the world for good, its pointless to discuss untill you have some sort of notable progress in your research. I'm not writing anyone off yet, but the only thing that carries merrit with me is useful research. So far, all you have done since joining is blow your own horn with discriptions of your intent. Nothing worthwhile, just useless idealogy and conjecture. Now go accomplish something with your research, then come back here to brag about yourself. Grandstanding in a thread without posting any research makes you seem like a pompus ass.
~Dingus Mungus
P.S. Your rant on how idiots discovered how to split the atom and how it is a bad thing... Priceless! I can only hope the your future posts are as factual and well informed.
P.S.S. Cyber techno wigwam??? WTF? Are you really here to waste our time? I live in Arizona there are still wigwams here in Scottsdale. It's a mud and straw hut... Get real...
Quote from: Dingus Mungus on May 29, 2007, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: xenobard on May 27, 2007, 07:57:23 AM
@Dingus Mungus
I didn't miss your point. It seems you missed your own:
"So lets all just take our selves a little less seriously... "
That sounds a lot like, 'can't we all just get along?'. Talk about a 'cop' out.
Seriously, why sell yourself short like that. Why don't you dare to think you CAN change the world?
Prepare youselves for xenobards half-baked idea coming soon in a thread near this one...
This'll be my last post in this thread...
I feel a flame war brewing here.
Exactly how can you confuse "taking yourself less seriously" with "can't we all just get along"?
Seriously??? Considering I was saying "you're not shit" in so many words.
I was trying to explain a simple fact of life. You specificly probably won't "save mankind"... Get used to the idea. Ideals are important, but reaserch and confirmed results are much more important here. While anyone of us might change the world for good, its pointless to discuss untill you have some sort of notable progress in your research. I'm not writing anyone off yet, but the only thing that carries merrit with me is useful research. So far, all you have done since joining is blow your own horn with discriptions of your intent. Nothing worthwhile, just useless idealogy and conjecture. Now go accomplish something with your research, then come back here to brag about yourself. Grandstanding in a thread without posting any research makes you seem like a pompus ass.
~Dingus Mungus
P.S. Your rant on how idiots discovered how to split the atom and how it is a bad thing... Priceless! I can only hope the your future posts are as factual and well informed.
P.S.S. Cyber techno wigwam??? WTF? Are you really here to waste our time? I live in Arizona there are still wigwams here in Scottsdale. It's a mud and straw hut... Get real...
Well put Dingus Mungus. If he's got a point about the wigwam thing he needs to make it. but i still don't see how either of his threads have anything to do with overunity or free energy or the research of such.
Quote from: xenobard on May 23, 2007, 07:27:40 PM
Will someone please explain to me what it is about the human race that is worth our efforts in trying to save it?
Personally I think its too late, or pretty much getting there. Question doesn't really make sense in the fact that if we don't do something we die..Its just plain old survival. We've come a pretty good distance in time, yet probably very low compared to the trillions of years past in the universe. Its about evolving and reaching higher levels in consciousness, understanding, etc. Why bother? We then would have to start all over :/ Back to caves, loin clothes, and sticks :(
Quote from: xenobard on May 23, 2007, 07:27:40 PM
Will someone please explain to me what it is about the human race that is worth our efforts in trying to save it?
Perhaps you should ask yourself another question: What it is all about me(you) that is often trying to do the impossible? Do you really believe you could save the human race? Do you really believe you could even save yourself? Try to bootstrap yourself from the deep mud! How could you save something bigger than you? Do you think you are God? Why do you even think human race needs saving afterall? Don't you think human race is saved already? I do! Thanks our Lord!
God bless!
s.
"Why do you even think human race needs saving afterall? Don't you think human race is saved already? I do! Thanks our Lord!"
Here we go. Now all the religios nuts will come out of the woodwork and tell us that everything is ok and that history is going along all as planned according to God's will.
Seriously, Silvije, are you on crack? 10 million + people dying every year from aids is all according to God's will, is it? Rampant deaths due to cancer due to chemical pollutants in our food supply is God's doing, is it?
How DARE you say that God likes what we are doing. How DARE you suggest that we don't need to save the world.
New flash for all you, stupid, rich, religious people living in your ivory towers. God likes us smart, unselfish POOR athiests better than you stupid, greedy, RICH religious people, especially those of you who could help save the world and yet don't.
Let us be clear at the ways in which the world needs saving:
1. aids
2. cancer
3. hunger
4. war (because of oil)
5. (You do some of the thinking for a change, will you?)
Now, for all of you who think that this thread and the super-neo-techno-wigwam thread and saving the world in general have nothing to do free energy.
Are you on crack too?
What the heck do you think free energy is all about? Developing free energy is ONE of the way in which we are saving the world.
Get it yet?
I thought you guys were supposed to be smart. This is why I came here.
Xenobard...
You're way off base here.
1) They're attacking you because you post is
asking if its worth it, and now you're attacking
them with reasons why it is imparitive. DUH!
2) THIS SITE IS ONLY ABOUT ENERGY!
End of story... If its not free energy we don't care.
3) Once again ideals and goals are a good thing,
but unless you're backing it with research on
improving efficency or providing wattage, then
you are wasting our time.
4) Most of us are chemists, engineers or physicists.
We want results not ideas, hopes, or asperations.
So to put it kindly; unless you are focused on the
same, this will slow our efforts to "save mankind".
SO DROP IT ALREADY!
~Dingus Mungus
Hmm. Well. I am thinking that I'd like to make a prototype community powered solely by free energy, and I would like to get this project going soon. In fact, I will be applying for leasing the site this week. It's a remote forested plot of land in the pacific northwest - nothing particular about it other than the fact that it is remote. I want to get this project going.
............... This thread should simply be deleted.................
I think this thread is a huge waste of time.
We can only save the human race if people try. Let people try, if the human race wishes. Most important, don't waste time.....
I am not wasting time. I am actually doing it. Are you? Are you doing more than just thinking and making plans? I am actually acquiring the site to construct a practical prototype for how free-energy could work in PRACTICE. What is it that you all are doing exactly? And I am asking people here to help! Will you help? Will you bother?
Quote from: xenobard on June 04, 2007, 06:48:30 AM
"Why do you even think human race needs saving afterall? Don't you think human race is saved already? I do! Thanks our Lord!"
Here we go. Now all the religios nuts will come out of the woodwork and tell us that everything is ok and that history is going along all as planned according to God's will.
Seriously, Silvije, are you on crack? 10 million + people dying every year from aids is all according to God's will, is it? Rampant deaths due to cancer due to chemical pollutants in our food supply is God's doing, is it?
How DARE you say that God likes what we are doing. How DARE you suggest that we don't need to save the world.
New flash for all you, stupid, rich, religious people living in your ivory towers. God likes us smart, unselfish POOR athiests better than you stupid, greedy, RICH religious people, especially those of you who could help save the world and yet don't.
Let us be clear at the ways in which the world needs saving:
1. aids
2. cancer
3. hunger
4. war (because of oil)
5. (You do some of the thinking for a change, will you?)
Now, for all of you who think that this thread and the super-neo-techno-wigwam thread and saving the world in general have nothing to do free energy.
Are you on crack too?
What the heck do you think free energy is all about? Developing free energy is ONE of the way in which we are saving the world.
Get it yet?
I thought you guys were supposed to be smart. This is why I came here.
There is no need for insults. But you did that. Called me religious nut so I have to answer you.
I apologize to the rest.
First what you did wrong is you twisted my words. I dont know what is God's plan. So how can you tell that I am saying what it is.
Second I am not on crack. I know that people are dying all the time and I also know that death is just one experience in ethernal life. You have right not to believe it but read my words again. I was not trying to force my belief on you, just suggested to revise your own questions.
Third, chemical and other pollution is not God's doing. It's human doing. So what confuses you?
Lot of people are doing the same pollution under the mask of saving people, saving third world and so on.. You would like to join them? In your glorious efforts?
4. I did not say that God likes what we are doing as you accused me for. Are you small child with problems with reading or other perception? How could I know what is even your plan?
5. I did not DARE to suggest that we should not save the world, I suggested that we cannot do it even if we wanted or because it is not needed (and I have right to my opinion which I am not forcing on you and I am not twisting your words or accusing of anything... just suggesting to think)
6. I dont like your insults to myself and other religious people. Why are you calling us stupid and greedy? And btw I am not rich.
7. Your 5 saving points is kids thinking. Now I wonder are you really a kid or have some kind of utopistic ideas left in your mind from the your teen ages.
8. As you are not producing any free energy therefore you are not saving anyone. So dream on...
What you can do is for instance switch to solar and wind energy rather than be angry why your dreams are not dreaming itself the way you want them to...
That is what are we doing here... we are trying not to polute and use renewable power...
yes we are thinking and making plans too...
I forgive you.
s.
Well, I certainly don't forgive you and the religious nuts who have gone out under the banner of religion and ruined our world.
"I suggested that we cannot do it..."
Of course you would suggest something like that because you are a pessimist at heart - you lack faith in humanity being able to transcend their dark evil nature and start living correctly. You see this as impossible, and, therefore, you don't even bother trying. Why bother when Armagedon is inevitable anyway? Eat and drink as much as you can now for tommorow we die. Typical euro-centric judeo-christian mindest - USELESS.
"6. I dont like your insults to myself and other religious people. Why are you calling us stupid and greedy? And btw I am not rich."
Tough. Get used to it. Your religious wars and closemindedness, errant views of nature and the universe, are the cause of much of the problems we are facing as a species. Get used to it buddy, because it is only going to get worse. That is until YOU stupid, rich, religious nuts change your ways. And, yes, actually you ARE rich, buddy. Richer than 95% of the population of humans on this planet - think about it.)
I'm not going to bother with replying anymore to you. Just know that you religious nuts will NOT be forgiven for THOUSANDS of years because of the crimes against humanity you are commiting in these past generations. You were supposed to be good stewarts of this planet. So far, all you have done is raped it.
SHAME
why bother...
if you look close you will see that it is subject to the thread you selected...
so who is pesimist now?
you are very sad man all together with your not resonable accusations...
s.
::)
Please All calm down.
It does not make sense to waste so much time
and anger about "offtopic" postings..
otherwise I will just delete this thread.
Many thanks for understanding.
Regards, Stefan. (admin)
delete away
wait
LAST WORD
Ok now delete it.
Wait. Maybe not quite yet.
My point in starting this thread was multi-layered.
1. I am honestly struggling with the notion of whether or not to utilize my potential in the project I spoke of earlier. Will developing a 'free-energy' prototype community be worthwhile when humanity seems hell-bent on destroying itself.
2. I have a bone to pick with you scientist / physicist / engineer types. Historically, you have been RECKLESS in developing technology: the nuclear bomb, chemical products, drugs, fossil fuel burning engines, etc. You have gone forth in developing such things without adequately considering the sociological and environmental effects of these technologies. Religion is far from blameless in this either. It has been religious, white Europeans / Americans with political power that have used you scientist / physicist / engineer types' recklessness to wreak havoc on our world and on our peoples. In this, you scientist / physicist / engineer types are culpable for many, many evils, for which it will take many, many generations to forgive and forget.
3. I am always searching for people who want to think carefully and long-term about sociological effects that would result in developing any new technology. The effects must be considered very deeply before development is undergone. I simply enjoy such discussions.
4. I am always searching for people who want to develop solutions to problems caused by you scientist / physicist / engineer types who failed to consider such long-term sociological impacts of your technologies. These solutions can NOT be bandaid-solutions or techno-fixes. These have to be real and permanent solutions: developing technologies that will actually change the way we live for the betterment of humanity rather than merely staving-off or quickening its inevitable demise.
5. You do some thinking for a change. Why else did I start this thread?
Quote from: xenobard on June 06, 2007, 02:30:15 AM
Wait. Maybe not quite yet.
...
5. You do some thinking for a change. Why else did I start this thread?
I know :) This one is a no brainer. Just from examining the title of your thread one could conclude
that you have started it because you dont want to bother with all this! Seriously.
Also i have a question about your plan in making I guess ateist, blaming all other, prototype training camp. Do you have some free energy terorism in mind? I would sugguest for the best the next time you approach computer to take a trip sitter with you ::)
Cheers!
s.
ps. just to add a note that I am restarting my magnet-gravity SMOT wheel attempt, note is just for keeping this thread ON free-energy topic 8)
just delete this thread! ;)
OR lets just all get along ok?...hehehe
peace
Stefan,
I wouldn't delete this thread. I actually think it is excellent
Some people will go overboard with personal insults on any threads. It takes maturity and restraint not to get personal on a thread, and to see that every opinion has some merit no matter how small.
We do need to look at the long term implications of overunity/free energy. Some comments above are correct. Scientists need to look at the long term implications of their discoveries. The reality is that if one scientist didn't discover how to make eg the atomic bomb, eventually someone else would have. We cannot control technological discoveries. If not Tesla or Einstein, then eventually someone else...
Two scenarios (and there are many others):
Scenario one: Free energy discovered, less pollution, poor countries have access to free power, water pumps, electricity, etc, a beautiful clean world.
Scenario two: Free energy discovered. Oil producing nations feel their livelihood is threatened. They demand continued oil reliance. World focuses on free energy device/s. Destabilisation occurs in middle east. Terrorism and wars perpetuate across the world.
OK a bit pessimistic scenario 2. I think the demand for oil will still be high since so many products (apart from fuel) are made from oil. But just an example of what we need to consider.
Can we predict what will happen? Maybe we will be "disposed of" to suppress our inventions before they become public. Who knows.
So this post is quite important.
It is very easy to blame scientists, but think about it.
Scientists discovered fision, politicians threw the bomb.
Knife is for cutting bread or killing someone (hopefully not)
so who is to blame? The supposed killer or the man who made the knife?
Is knife good or bad thing? Now replace knife with a term "free energy device". will it bring peace or war?
Xenobard persist that scientists are to be blamed. I don't agree.
Polution and AIDS and so on is not God's plan. It's absence of God in doings of bad people. Not all scientists are bad just as not all politicians.... he should open his eyes...
s.
Hello everyone, (sorry to make this my first post)...
Anyways, wow...
Ok, my father molested me when I was younger, I never knew my mom, and had to move 4 times. I've never been beat-up, but I had to had two teeth taken without anesthesia, due to the fact that I've always been afraid of being molested, no bid deal (well, actually it was :) ). Eventually, I joined the National Guard, and am putting myself through school now for physics in UMass Boston.
I'm not saying I've had it harder, but I know for a fact your life is better than some. You come here, ask for a question you know you won't get a straight answer to, turn everyone away (well most), and wine about other people being rich...when, as you have so beautifully put it
Quote"[You're r]icher than 95% of the population of humans on this planet - think about it.)"
Seriously, you post a question like this in the Half Baked Ideas section, I think your Half Baked. Why didn't you go to a philosophy forum, or any other forum (let me guess, actually I'll let you answer that, or not). Seriously, take your idea/prototype, design/build it and live on, or don't. And yes, you are wasting time (as everyone else here and myself), but then that really isn't a big deal (I'm sure 50-80% of your 24 hour day is wasted, depending on your consideration of the term).
If labeled you (Heaven forbid I do that, seeing as you obviously care what other people say about you) or upset you, tough luck...you'll get over it...unless you plan on being upset for the rest of your life over someone you probably will never meet.
I know you'll probably retort, or not, but I could seriously care less. As should everyone else here. You're just some faceless winy "rich" guy (actually, I'll label you as "lebaL"), who complains about everything but does nothing about it.
Ok, let's say that by some miracle I somehow develop some sort of pathological empathy for a humanity that doesn't give a shit about me, what is it that I am supposed to do?
Little miss ivy league over here suggests I do something about it. But what is it that anyone should do? We can't even decide if this 'free-energy' thing will actually be a good thing.
Yes we can! If you use it (free energy thing) for good than it will be good. Same as with knife.
s.