Hi all!
This is my idea after analizing few gravity wheels...
Please comment...
Anyone willing to make it?
Greetingz,
Silvije
SMOT is described here http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/smotidx.htm
Each of 8 compartments of the wheel have one of this.
Magnets pulls the iron or steel ball to the wheel rim, so the center of mass
of the wheel is contantly to the right side of the wheel, so wheel
is constantly unbalanced. This should be enough for self rotation I believe.
This attached image shows my first step in explaining gravity wheels to myself :)
I am pretty certain that the essence of a SMOT ramp is a
magnetic strip on BOTH sides of the path of the ball bearing.
Supposing the ball bearing were to be replaced with a long
thin cylindrical magnet?
Paul.
Quote from: Silvije on May 26, 2007, 07:14:18 AM
Hi all!
This is my idea after analizing few gravity wheels...
Please comment...
Anyone willing to make it?
Greetingz,
Silvije
I assume it is steel balls. They will get stuck in the middle, where the magnetic fiels is strongest, regardless of what position the wheel is in.
Br.
Vidar
Quote from: Silvije on May 26, 2007, 09:48:50 AM
SMOT is described here http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/smotidx.htm
Each of 8 compartments of the wheel have one of this.
Magnets pulls the iron or steel ball to the wheel rim, so the center of mass
of the wheel is contantly to the right side of the wheel, so wheel
is constantly unbalanced. This should be enough for self rotation I believe.
If the end of this tube was 31mm above floor level, the smot hadn't worked.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjnaudin.free.fr%2Fimages%2Fsmtstdia.gif&hash=568ef3a07a83ba9015830526d39b853b5f2a4ac6)
Br.
Vidar
to Paul-R:
Well it seems my first drawing is not clear enough.
Of course there is magnetic strip on both sides of the
path of the ball bearing. This is just view from the side
and I could not do much better with a paintbrush program.
There is why I have explained that you have a whole SMOT setup
in each compartment.
Maybe I misunderstand what you want to say, than sorry.
s.
Also in the whole wheel I need the smot to work only in one compartment at the time,
it is compartment in drawing with an arrow.
Quote from: Low-Q on May 26, 2007, 10:20:19 AM
I assume it is steel balls. They will get stuck in the middle, where the magnetic fiels is strongest, regardless of what position the wheel is in.
Br.
Vidar
Stuck in the middle of what? Explain what you think and why.
hmmm i don't know if this will work. how are the balls escaping the sticky spot from the smot.
which sticky spot? see this video http://jlnlabs.imars.com/atelab/videos/smot01.rm
s.
ok i tried to draw it in perspective, I hope you could visualize it.
I admit that is a problem from my first drawing.
s.
Hello Silvije and all,
I think your idea would deserve a practical experiment so I can only encourage you to test it if you can.
What Vidar mentioned in his Reply #4 in previous page is true but could be remedied by making the central section around the shaft (i.e at the beginning of each compartment) to be of higher diameter so that each ball and hence each magnet bar can start further outside radially and will not be so close to each other any more in the center. This way the magnet trap in the center is avoided.
I cannot see any other sticky spot now, this is why I think this setup is worth experimenting. Of course the mass/weight of the ball should be chosen correctly so that the balls would be able to disconnect from the smot due to gravity when needed.
Regards
Gyula
Thank you for your reply!
I am not able to do the experiment yet, I first need to
get proper magnet bars.
Vidar's remark about sticky spot in the center is now more clear to me,
but I had in mind some version of the SMOT in which magnet bars are not parallel.
So I could not understand what he means.
My biggest problem for now is to make understandable drawings :)
s.
Hi all!
This idea was before I had any chance to play with SMOT,
now I see it's quite useless...
Forget averything.
s.
I think your idea it is prty good, maybe if you put the smot magnets away from the center, the ball wont stick in the middle but still will have a pull from smot.
just maybe.
jj
Quote from: Silvije on May 29, 2007, 07:06:23 AM
Hi all!
This idea was before I had any chance to play with SMOT,
now I see it's quite useless...
Forget averything.
s.
Hi Silvije,
I would be curious to know why you concluded from your (possible) play the SMOT is useless?
It surely has two sticky spots, one in front of its entrance and one is at its end but BOTH seems to be possible to overcome by your setup with gravity, is it not?
Gyula
Quote from: Silvije on May 29, 2007, 07:06:23 AM
Hi all!
This idea was before I had any chance to play with SMOT,
now I see it's quite useless...
Forget averything.
s.
The basic SMOT ramp certainly works. Getting it into a wheel
is difficult. It is one of the "Holy Grails" of the energy business
simply because the ramp does work.
We should all persevere.
Paul.
My play with SMOT was not serious really. Because I dont have apropriate magnets.
I have 50 neodimium round magnets, d=10mm and they are 2,5mm thick. So I tried
to put them in line on various metal plates, to get more uniform field but i dont have real iron. Just some aluminum, tin and steel with shitty magnetical properties. Then I also tried to line them on plastik thing but field from round magnets is funny... so I could not get proper magnetic field I guess.
Sorry I lack words, my english technical vocabulary is also shitty :) I hope you dig what I'm saying.
That is why I could not get much results and because I was frustrated that day I have concluded that basic smot ramp cannot work. At least my setup did not. Iron ball just refused to go the way I wanted :) Also that strong sticky spot at the and of the ramp.. I used heavier ball but that one refused to go up the ramp :)
So if this was so difficult to make basic smot, it seemed imposible to use it inside wheel. Then I gave it up. We just may say that I am poor experimenter :) So please if we have some smot gurus here, with proper magnets... would they give it a try? I even sent a mail to JLN himself but got no reply unlike before.
Wheel still looks to me like it might work :) But it still needs work. Work of someone who has SMOT in a little finger. That is not me.
s.
here is a slight suggestion. The french video avoids the sticky by changing position (the best way to block a punch is not to be where the punch is). Take a look and see what you think. I believe there might be something to this concept though.