Have a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TinQ3iV403s
They also have interesting woodgas gasification videos on youtube.
Look here:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=knowpub
Here you can download the old book as a PDF file:
http://www.archive.org/download/chemistrymanufac00teedrich/chemistrymanufac00teedrich.pdf
Thank you hartiberlin
HOLLY CRAP :o...thanks...
Hmm,
what could the chemicals be there ?
Any magnesium metal with NaCL and water ?
Or some silicates ?
I can not find it inside the PDF file ...but it is also
hard to find there something...
Also I am tired. maybe someone else will find the chemicals inside the PDF file?
Many thanks.
If I was to guess I would say coal and Calcium chloride. Calcium chloride is made from salt and It is highly soluble in water. This creates an exothermic reaction.
Just guessing. Could be all wrong. ???
In the video he made mention of "something used in the mfg. of glass" and something we are "walking on". I agree with Stefan, a type of silicate perhaps.
Very cool perhaps great potential.
Bruce
and correction
Ferrosilicon and Sodium hydroxide
Hmm, I got an email stating this:
STOP STOP STOP... Thank you to all of you!! Everyone keeps on writing to me because someone LEAKED a copy of our video. We sent it to a few people for feedback and before it was finished it was going around the net. All of you who we sent it to ( you know who you are) You'll NEVER get a preview sample from us again..ever.. Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TinQ3iV403s
We finished it real quick and then added some more stuff and put it up on YouTube for you to watch. HUGE Hydrogen Flames... The chemicals are easy, cheap and you're walking on them. They are made from Salt, Sand and Water. That's it. We're working real hard to get the 9 new books and the new Roy McAlister DVD up on the site so you can get this good information. Keep an eye out for an HTML email from us with plenty of pretty photos and it will have the links in it on how you can get the book, The Chemistry and Manufacture of Hydrogen and the Chemistry and Manufacture of Hydrogen DVD that Steven Harris and Roy McAlister did last month.... We only have 3200 of the DVDs and it'll be 4 weeks before the 2nd batch arrives... I have to get back to writing the email and the ad so keep an eye out for it and get the DVD if you like, as soon as you can because I think we'll run out in a day or so based on past sales. Don't worry... we'll get plenty more for you. Thank youSteven HarrisCEO, Ad writer, bottle washer, KnowledgePublications.comKnowledgePublications.com 8243 DartmouthWarren, MI48093US
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Hmm, what kind of sand coud it be ?
How much is the book and the DVD ?
Hmmm...Look what I found... ;)
Silicon
There is a fair amount of disagreement in the books and on the web about what silicon does with water or steam. The truth seems to depend on the precise form of silicon you are using.
The common shiny grey lumps of silicon with a rather metal-like appearance are fairly unreactive. Most sources suggest that this form of silicon will react with steam at red heat to produce silicon dioxide and hydrogen.
But it is also possible to make much more reactive forms of silicon which will react with cold water to give the same products.
Note: These more reactive forms are produced as powders. Cotton and Wilkinson's Advanced Inorganic Chemistry (third edition - page 316) suggests that the reactivity of one of these could be due to a very high surface area, or perhaps because the silicon exists in a graphite-like structure.
A correspondent from the silicon industry tells me that when silicon is cut into slices, the silicon dust formed reacts with water at room temperature - producing hydrogen and getting very hot. He says
"The silicon is cut in a glycol slurry [. . .] The powdered Si is protected somewhat from moisture in the glycol slurry, but when we clean the slurry in aqueous solutions the reaction with water takes off."
This is probably the effect of the high surface area of the dust produced, combined with the fact that you are exposing uncontaminated silicon to the water. One source suggests that the lack of reactivity of silicon is due to a layer of silicon dioxide on its surface. If you expose a new surface by cutting the silicon, that layer won't, of course, exist.
AND
Reactions with water
Sodium
Sodium has a very exothermic reaction with cold water producing hydrogen and a colourless solution of sodium hydroxide.
http://www.chemguide.co.uk/inorganic/period3/elementsreact.html
Thank your for your time, (A "mini" break from TPU land!)
Bruce
Well he said on youtube, that they don?t use any precious and expensive metals.
Here is the link to the DVD order page:
http://www.knowledgepublications.com/announce/06012007.htm
Regards, Stefan.
Is it just me or did it seem as if Steven Harris was angry at us...
I would think he would be happy about all the promotion and attention.
Interesting cell... Reminds me of an experiment I did while working on
the Griffon HoD reactor. I allowed copper and zinc to oxidize in a jar
of 20% conc aquaous NaOH solution for a week untill the liquid turned
blue. Then I submerged a ultra high surface area piece of rolled aluminum
foil in the solution resulting in a similar but much more violent reaction.
(self igniting also)
I hope the guys at knowpub don't throw a fit when we start replicating all
their research. I understand the need to sell books and dvd's, but this site
is like a free encyclopedia of free energy concepts and devices. We just
can't ignore or not share something like this...
Besisdes if someone didn't "leak" it, we still would have found it eventually
and would still try to distribute the technology to our members and guests.
So theres no need to be angry or "never share a video again",
~Dingus Mungus
1
2, 3...what are we fightin' for... ???
Hey, anyone able to convert that video into another format. I cannot get youtube in my country as it is blocked by the local gov't at present.
Thanks In Advance
@pg46
in which country is youtube blocked ?
Can?t you access it via a proxy server ?
Should work.
Just put in Firefox or IE a proxy server that is fast and is
not in your country. Then you will get it via this server..
Quote from: Dingus Mungus on June 01, 2007, 09:03:07 PM
Is it just me or did it seem as if Steven Harris was angry at us...
I would think he would be happy about all the promotion and attention.
No,it was related to the Youtube video.
It seems he was forced to upload the youtube video faster, than
he had his new order page uploaded...
Anyway,did somebody have a closer look into the PDF file link I posted ?
My foxit PDF reader is so slow with this PDF book and one can also
not search for words in it.. Also I don?t have much time to scan this through now.
So what chemical reaction is this ?
The problem is, they state on the orderpage, that this reaction will
be only on the next coming DVD but not on the current one..
Yes, good idea to use a proxy server. I tried that a few weeks back and again today but no luck. I get to youtube site using a proxy but then it always says I have disabled my java script or don't have it, neither of which is true. Don't know what is all up with that.
I couldn't download that file you posted neither. Still I got their website and will try to follow up on information over there.
I am greatly interested in the use of wood gas technology as I have a large source of biofuel ready to be put to some good use.
thanks for all the info
pg46 you could use
keepvid.com
vixy.net
These sites will download the .flv format for you and provide you with which format you want to download it in (essentially a proxy).
I recommend vixy.net for youtbue and keepvid as a secondary if vixy isn't cooperating.
Has anyone bought the dvd or figured out what chemicals other than salt they are using?
Quote from: MarkEngr on June 08, 2007, 02:29:25 PM
Has anyone bought the dvd or figured out what chemicals other than salt they are using?
Firstly it's "a salt", but not "table salt"...
I believe its a mix of Sodium Hydroxide (NaOH) and either aluminum or sillicon pellets.
No Dingus,
he states on the youtube discussion page, that it is plain table salt NaCL and a mineral you could dig up in your garden..
Also no precious metals like Aluminium.
Maybe he is using carbon or graphite within it and a special SiO2 or other Silicon chemical with it...
Graphite or carbon can even etch holes into stainless steel together with water... Did you know that ? My ss sink has holes in it due to letting wet graphite lay there for one day !
Table salt you say.... :-\
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Does the salt only act as a catalyst or is the cloride released?
What mixes with table salt and water to release the cloride?
I'm going to do some more research on cloride liberation...
On the other hand though... Maybe it is a oxygen hungry metalic
compound, that the salt catalyzes in to breaking down the water.
Either way, we really need to know what the black power is.
~Dingus Mungus
Steve Harris states, that only water steam and Hydrogen are released.
I guess there might be charcoal and NaCl and some Siliziumoxid component and the charcoal rips the oxygen from water, the chlor ions go to SiCl and the Hydrogen exits the batch..maybe something like this ?
Quote from: hartiberlin on May 31, 2007, 08:48:50 PM
Hmm,
what could the chemicals be there ?
Any magnesium metal with NaCL and water ?
Or some silicates ?
I can not find it inside the PDF file ...but it is also
hard to find there something...
Also I am tired. maybe someone else will find the chemicals inside the PDF file?
Many thanks.
Do you remember those old miner lights with the reflectors that they wore on their heads? They would spit in the can put the cover on it and then light the flame. Not sure about exactly what it was i think it was called calcium carbide or something along those lines. Not sure he is producing hydrogen tho.
I did the charcoal & NaCL the other night, if you hit the recipe just right I bet it sure would do exactly what we saw in the video, Soon as the water hit it whoa! but I only had a small area of the right mix that went up. I think the other mistake was I used activated carbon from my fish tank filter supplies..
I'll give her another shot when I get a minute...
-rapttor
Hi Raptor,
sounds great!
So you can confirm that indeed the charcoal + NaCl and sand ( SiO2)
had given a reaction with water ?
What kind of sand did you use ?
How was about the mixing parts weights ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Stephan:
I just couldn't let this go!
You have one of your advertisers (Electricity Texas) with their banner saying...
"Tired of paying high electricity bills? You could WIN FREE ELECTRICITY FOR LIFE!"
Here we are, trying to create a free running TPU to free ourselves from these utility
companies!
Aren't you ashame of accepting their advertising dollars! (just joking)...
LOL!
chrisC
Sorry Chris,
I have no influence onto the banners displayed by Google Adsense...
They are just displayed by the Google script and they just trigger onto the keywords
in the page contens...
Regards, Stefan.
Great Job rapttor :)
I also remember them stating from the video that you could recycle the waste product and use it all over again. Got any chemists on here that can right up an equation that shows the hydrogen given off and the byproduct. In the video it looked like a liquidy goop. Guess you can extract the carbon some how.
I don't know what the by product would turn out to be... but, the only thing that prevents me from following this route more indepth is that, you set it up, say in a metal container, out through a bubbler... and then to ... what a Pump of some sorts to be able to compress it away for later use? No thanks....
You get almost equal the reaction if you mix a tablespoon of NaCL in a quart of water, then drop in some aluminum foil, or it my case I just grab a handful of AL shavings behind the lathe... drop them in and go.
This produces, and will keep producing if you keep supplying it with AL & top off the water here and there, but I'm not 100 % if the reaction is all HHO, I believe there's some other gases in there as well, or from what my nose tells me.
I will say this, test it out side... I did a little glass cup in my shop... and fumigated myself to start opening windows.... :P
-rapttor
Rapptor,
what exactly did you mix together ?
If it smells stitchy then you released probably also Chlorine gas
from the NaCl.
Stephan, about a quart of water with a tablespoon of lye, then I added just some aluminum shavings (from lathe work) in to the solution, you get an extothermic reaction, which most of the gas is hydrogen, but there is something else there, I don't think it's chlorine gas... but could be, I'm not getting close enough, or taking a deep enough breath of it to find out! ;D
does that help sir?
-rapttor
Quote from: hartiberlin on June 13, 2007, 10:53:24 AM
Rapptor,
what exactly did you mix together ?
If it smells stitchy then you released probably also Chlorine gas
from the NaCl.
Hi Raptor,
Lye( NaOH) is a no go.
You just converting thus Aluminium to Hydrogen in this alkaline solution.
I said, just mix sand ( SIO2 components) with Charcoal and Table Salt ( NaCL)
and then add water.
Does this get any reaction ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
NaOH... yes, duh.. sorry I'm doing too many things at once. Well I'll give her a try when I get a minute & let you know what happens.
-thanks
-rptr
I watched the video again and they said that there were two substances in the cup. A black one and salt. The salt is the round objects and the black powder is the other one which were are walking on and can be mined. The amount of hydrogen produced is related to the amount of surface area provided by the two substances. You can regulate the hydrogen and temperature "since we clearly saw steam" by controlling the amount of water in touch with the substances.
The byproduct is a substance that is in demand in the glass industry. I found a recipe for 2000lbs of amber colored glass.
Sand 1,000 (pounds)
Cullet 500
Ash 390
Lime, burnt 100
Borax 3
Sulphur 2
Carbon 1
Do you think that one of these could be the byproduct?
I'm not a chemist, just someone who just likes to play with things like this when the kids aren't around.
It's the original version of todays disposable thermal body wraps (without the hydrogen gas inhibitors added).
Salt (NaCl) actually about any metal salt would work
Carbon (Activated best but others will work) Holds water better
Sand ( Provides additional water holding material)
and if you really want to see that baby go...
add the magical ingredient, ta-da...
Iron Powder
add water and watch the exothermic reaction begin....
See the attached patent on a somewhat updated version of the process starting at 7 and
reading all of 8. They do mention the addition of the hydrogen gas inhibitors... darn it..
I wanted to strap an oversize thermal wrap around my Chevy and hit the road...
Dan
I think (90% sure) it is Boron (B)
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hydrogen_from_Water_using_Boron
Looks the same. (look at pic in peswiki)
I looked it up in "The "Universal One" and Berrlyium should have the best reaction with water, but it has a rock hard oxide. the next best was Boron, (and lithium should also react).
But there is a catch, Boron is to expensive, when it reacts it oxidizes, this can be recycled with i think electrolisys.
and the Naoh is probably used to get the water at a temp so it wil react with the boron.
hahaha, in the vid the cup is already dissolving before it gets burned!
Someone on Youtube comments exposed it and Steve Harris told more.
Yes, it is the Ferrosilicon process.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrosilicon
Quote:
Ferrosilicon is used by the military to quickly produce hydrogen for balloons by the ferrosilicon method. The chemical reaction uses sodium hydroxide, ferrosilicon, and water. The generator is small enough to fit a truck and requires only a small amount of electric power, the materials are stable and not combustible, and they do not generate hydrogen until mixed.
So FeSi powder is mixed with NaOH and then water is added.
Steam and H2 is coming out.
But as user dlwammo
posted:
Salt (NaCl) actually about any metal salt would work
Carbon (Activated best but others will work) Holds water better
Sand ( Provides additional water holding material)
and if you really want to see that baby go...
add the magical ingredient, ta-da...
Iron Powder
add water and watch the exothermic reaction begin....
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This would even be a cheaper way to produce hydrogen,
as you could get all the ingredients readily available from the
supermarket and fish supply store ( Activated carbon)
Has anyone other than user dlwammo
tried this reaction and can post a youtube video of it ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item21 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item21)
this link is to the yourtube vid i ripped for a backup very highly compressed though and for those where youtube banned. Its in the repo section. I think if i made it any smaller i could have posted it here:)
Would be interesting to see how much hydrogen one could
produce with just Tablesalt ( NaCL)
graphite from heated coal brickets
and sand ( SiO2) and water.
If this produces enough hydrogen one could probably
also use this to produce hydrogen on demand for a car
or just use the pressure with it to fill hydrogen bottles
or use it to power a hydrogen fuel cell and generate electricity
from it.
Regards, Stefan.