make simple primar and secondary colector coil and push whit 250 khz and dont wory than make simple ac/ dc converter whit 20000uf capacitator whit spead diode whit small resist .than you get something very good ...
bealivet make that and youy whel see ............................................ input energy whil be small ,and out coil the energy can be 10 times beger than input energy
if you dont now how to make all you need is to send me you email than i whil ansver to you how to make 1 off this divices i m here to help to anderstend i to make this simple divices ho is very hard to anderstend you dont need money much to build this ,,make and than tell my what you are mean for this ...... AKO IMA NEKO KO RAZUME YU JEZIK NEKA KAZE ILI PITA U VEZI SA TIME TU SAM DA POMOGNEM DA RAZUMES ILI NAPRAVIS TAJ TPU
ZDRAVO .....''''''''''''''.......
make a video/graphical tutorial demonstration on how to build this thing already...then just post it here... thank you!
peace
We are happy to hear the report. Please help us with the TPU. We would love some more information and details.
(Is this the man referenced in SM's post today by Lindsay in his story? Macedonia is a small country indeed...Hmmm....)
Blessings,
Bruce
Quote from: MACEDONIA CD on June 02, 2007, 03:57:49 PM
make simple primar and secondary colector coil and push whit 250 khz and dont wory than make simple ac/ dc converter whit 20000uf capacitator whit spead diode whit small resist .than you get something very good ...
bealivet make that and youy whel see ............................................ input energy whil be small ,and out coil the energy can be 10 times beger than input energy
if you dont now how to make all you need is to send me you email than i whil ansver to you how to make 1 off this divices i m here to help to anderstend i to make this simple divices ho is very hard to anderstend you dont need money much to build this ,,make and than tell my what you are mean for this ...... AKO IMA NEKO KO RAZUME YU JEZIK NEKA KAZE ILI PITA U VEZI SA TIME TU SAM DA POMOGNEM DA RAZUMES ILI NAPRAVIS TAJ TPU
ZDRAVO .....''''''''''''''.......
DISAMBIGUATIONMake a simple primary and secondary collector coil, and drive it at 250Khz, and don't worry about anything else. Just make a simple AC/DC converter with a 20K uF capacitor, and a high speed diode with low resistance. Then you get some very nice results.
Believe me, Make that, and you will see! Input energy will be small, and output energy can be as much at 10 times the input. If you don't know how to make all of it, just send me an email, and I will answer you with instructions on how to make one of these devices. I'm here to help you guys understand. I want to make it simple to build this device, which until now has been very difficult to understand. You don't need much money to build this. Just build it and then tell me what your results were.
-- macedonia gibberish(to me anyway) --
Quote from: MACEDONIA CD on June 02, 2007, 03:57:49 PM
make simple primar and secondary colector coil and push whit 250 khz and dont wory than make simple ac/ dc converter whit 20000uf capacitator whit spead diode whit small resist .than you get something very good ...
bealivet make that and youy whel see ............................................ input energy whil be small ,and out coil the energy can be 10 times beger than input energy
if you dont now how to make all you need is to send me you email than i whil ansver to you how to make 1 off this divices i m here to help to anderstend i to make this simple divices ho is very hard to anderstend you dont need money much to build this ,,make and than tell my what you are mean for this ...... AKO IMA NEKO KO RAZUME YU JEZIK NEKA KAZE ILI PITA U VEZI SA TIME TU SAM DA POMOGNEM DA RAZUMES ILI NAPRAVIS TAJ TPU
ZDRAVO .....''''''''''''''.......
Great work. Thanks for sharing. Blagodaram.
This is interesting. Could you see if I understand what you are saying correctly. Thanks.
Macedonia, could you let me know which of the points below are right and which are wrong. Please advise any mistakes I am making in my understanding.
1. You make a coil with a primary and secondary.
2. The coil does not have a magnetic core, it is an air core.
3. You connect a 250khz ac sinewave? to the primary.
4. Connected across the secondary wires is a 20000 uF capacitor.
5. The speed diode is connected in series with the load such as a lamp or bulb.
6. The power, voltage and current, across the lamp or bulb is greater than the power going into the primary.
Some questions ?
1. Is the coil solenoid or toroid or does it not matter.
2. How fast is the speed didoe. Is it less than 100ns ?
3. What diode are you using ?
4. What type of capacitor ? Eletrolytic, Mylar, Polyester, Ceramic etc.
5. Do you get a higher voltage than expected or a higher current than expected or higher voltage and current than expected.
@Macedonia posted the information below on another thread on May 27th and may provide more information. He seems to have changed the original 150khz to 250 khz.
I asked him on that thread if the speed diode shown below is OK but he never replied on that thread and opened this one.
https://secure4.vivid-design.com.au/jaycar2005/images_uploaded/BAW62_2.PDF
QUOTE
HI TO ALL IN THIS FORUM
3 MOUNTS I TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING ,NOW MAKE SOMETHING VERY GOOD ..ALL YOU NEED IS TO HAVE A 1 OSCILATOR WHIT ABOUT 150 Khz,and a secundary out coil whit SPEAD DIODE WHIT BIG CAPACITATOR ABOUT 20000 uF ..ITS WORKING LIKE THIS...
MAKE I 8" COLECTOR COIL HO IS ABOUT 40 TURNS , THEN AROUND THIS COIL MAKE ANOTHER PRIMAR COIL WHIT 20 TURNS THEN IN THIS PRIM COIL BRING THE OSCILATIONS WHIT 150Khz THEN IN THE OUT COLECTOR COIL IF YOU BRING A BULB 12 VOLTS YOU CAN SEE THAT NOTHING HAPEND ........ IF YOU WANT TOLIGHT THIS BULB ALL YOU NEED IS A SPEAD 4 DIODE WHIT 1 CAPACITATOR , ABOUT 20000uf ............................. T H E N YOU HAVE WAIT
JUST ABOUT 8 SECOND THEN THE CAPACITATOR WHIL CHARGE MORE POWER THEN INPUT THEN YOU CONECT THE BULB TO THE CAP THEN THE BULB WHIL START TO LIGHT VERY STRONG ABOUT 2 SECOND ,,,,, AND THEN ITS THE SAME PRINCIPE AGAIN .................................................................................
I T S VERY IMPORTANT THE SPEAD DIODE IF YOU NOT GET A SPEAD DIODE YOU GET NOTHING THIS DIODE IS A HAVE SMALL RESIST ABOUT 100 OHM , BUT IF YOU HAVE STANDAR DIODE THIS RESIST IS 500 OHMS ITS
V E R Y I M P O R T A N T IF YOU GET MORE SPEAD DIODE IN PARALEL CIRCUITS THEN YOU GET SMALL RESIST FOR THIS OUT COLECTOR 150Khz ...
AND ANTHER THING .. IF YOU BRING MORE DIODE IN PARALEL THEN THE CAPACITATOR WHIL CHARGE MORE FAST ,, VERY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU CHARGE THE CAP. THE BULB MOST NOT CONECT TO CAP ,, WHWN YOU CHARGE MAX. CAP THEN YOU CONECT THE BULB...
IN THIS DAYS I SEND PDF AND IF I CAN THE VIDEO FILE TO SEE
THANKS MACEDONIA CD
UNQUOTE
Well, this just sounds like an air core transformer with a high speed diode(or a couple) in series with a cap on the secondary?
diagram would be nice. Not sure if he's saying have a few series diodes on each leg of the secondary and then have the cap in parallel with both legs, and a bulb, or what.
I sent Macedonia a personal email for more info and also offering help in his english.
In his description, he does not refer to a secondary but to a collector. Like SM refers to his secondaries as collectors.
Sounds like the capacitor is being charged in pulses using the high speed diode to rectify the output of the secondary. It does sound very similar to a flash circuit for a camera.
Google blocking oscillator and you will see several variations being used to operate as a DC/DC converter, I have posted several links to these circuits in the other SM threads.
Think about using the control coils and feedback coil as the integral coils being used to generate the frequencies needed. In looking back at the clues SM provided this seems to fit nicely. Not sure if this will work but I am working on this idea and will test some of this out today (finally have some free time). I will post some results of this testing later in one of the other threads.
Hope someone else will come along for the ride.
A link for perusal
http://www.electronic-circuits-diagrams.com/psimages/6.gif
Here are a few circuits I am thinking of starting with, with a few minor alterations may be needed.
Gwala ,ja neznam....
ok HI this circuits is not a have make R E A D PLEASE I GET MORE >>>>>>>> POWER I MEAN WATT IN OUT COLEC. COIL ,A NOT BIGER VOLTAGE <<<<<<<<< I SAY A BROKE BULB 25 WATT 12 VOLTS ,,,,, WHIT 8WATT INPUT ENERGY ....... DO YOU ANDERSTEND A SAY POWER I MEAN WATT NO DUBLE VOLTAGE
....................
Thank you Macedonia,
Please draw a simple circuit including the pieces you are using and post it here. It will make it easier to understand. If you need help with this, please let us know and one of us will attempt to assist you in drawing it.
Thank you,
Bruce
Quote from: btentzer on June 06, 2007, 03:29:19 PM
Thank you Macedonia,
Please draw a simple circuit including the pieces you are using and post it here. It will make it easier to understand. If you need help with this, please let us know and one of us will attempt to assist you in drawing it.
Thank you,
Bruce
i already said that, but i don't think it's going to happen.
so far all i see is empty claims.
Received this message from Macedonia today.
I had asked him about his speed diode.
I think we will have a communication problem. I sent him an email but I think he cannot understand or it is neither here nor there. But there is a problem in communication so if there is anyone that speaks Macedonian, we need your help.
QUOTE
HI this is macedonia cd ... sory wor my reply but i whant to say to you ,,, this diode its like the figure like ordonery BUZ11 tranzistor ,,,
in this object is a 2 diode i have make 4 duble diode as 1 and i have a ac/dc convertor but
this diode you made find in the power suply in the PC comuters in this box power suply is 2 diode ho is have small resistance
BY THANKS
UNQUOTE
@ everyone
I recieved further instructions as well from our Macedonian friend. Perhaps some one can understand this and try a replication:
Cheers,
Bruce
Message:
HI IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS
YOU GET SOME SPEAD DIODE YOU CAN FIND IN THE POWER SUPLY IN THE PC COMPUTER IN THIS BOX YOU CAN FIND 2 DIODE WHIT A CASE LIKE ,,, BUZ 11A,,, OK THEN YOU GET A 20000yf 63v capacitator .....
then you make simple ac/dc convertor ..
then you make simple tpu whit primar and secondar colector ho is conected to a ac/dc converter then you bring a 250Khz impluse ho is not a sinusoide votage ,, in the primari coil
you make 6 inces colector coil then around this coil make about 20 turns coil
BUZ11A is a transistor - could use two legs as a diode
Then he talks about making a simple ac to dc converter, wrapping 20 turns around a 6" loop, then pulsing the 20 turns with 250khz "pulse" - not sine wave.
Either this (first image):
or this (second image):
(I would guess he means the first image - as it produces sharp pulses - would need to low capacitance by a large amount to get small RC time constant for sharp pulse.)
This sounds like SM original test where he used a coil wrapped around a lamp wire, pulsed the coil and got kicks in the lamp wire...
[quote
Message:
HI IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS
YOU GET SOME SPEAD DIODE YOU CAN FIND IN THE POWER SUPLY IN THE PC COMPUTER IN THIS BOX YOU CAN FIND 2 DIODE WHIT A CASE LIKE ,,, BUZ 11A,,, OK THEN YOU GET A 20000yf 63v capacitator .....
[/quote]
Hello All,
My understanding on the above text is this:
"If you want to build this [circuit], use high speed diodes like the ones in a PC power supply. There are double diodes in one case like a BUZ11A [MOSFET] case [like TO-220]. "
So he refers to the case similarities of a double diode and a BUZ11A power MOSFET (both are in TO-220 case).
Such diodes are of Schottky types (hence are fast switching) like MBR2060 or MBR20100 from Onsemi or 48CTQ060 from Fairchild, lots of other types exist.
Regarding the rest of the text from our Macedonian friend, I can agree with Grumpy suggestions in the previous mail.
Of course the best would be if our Macedonian friend WOULD BE WILLING TO DRAW A SIMPLE SCHEMATICS EVEN IN THE WINDOWS built-in PAINT program by HIS HAND SO THAT WE COULD SEE EXACTLY HOW HE THINKS THE CIRCUIT.
regards
Gyula
Reading back over his former posts, it sounds like he is talking about making an induction coil and driving it with 250 khz. Which will light a light bulb if you use enough current. This came up yesterday in Otto's thread.
He also inidicated originally to use an 8" coil, now he says 6".
He also said 40 turns for the collector and onto this you wrap 20 turns as primary.
It also seems he is using a transistor (as Grumpy said) using the two legs of the diode side, but he is coupling two together in parrellel and using four pairs of these to make a bridge rectifier.
This is still another guessing game. No data on wire gauge for collector or primary, coil core material, first time I've read about the cap being 63 volts, AC or DC? etc., etc.
There has to be a way for people to understand the minimum communication required to put this type of information out properly. Geez. When it's not SM's stereo parables or Erfinders mystisism, now we have Macedonian tid-bits.
Who's next?
HI OK I DONT TAPE ENGLIS BUT I TAPE MACEDONIAN LANGUEGE IF YOU HAVE PROBLEM WHIT MY ENGLIS THEN I WHIL TAPE MACEDONIAN .
PA SE SEGA VAKA MNOGO E EDNOSTAVNO ............. JAS SAKAM DA KAZAM DEKA DIODITE LICAT NA OVOJ TRANZISTOR BUZ 11 A ...... TOA E PRVO VTORO AKO IMAS IDNA ZICA BAKARNA I AKO E DOLGA 1 METAR I AKO DVIZIS MAL MAGNET DO NEA TI KE DOBIES NA KRAEVITE NA TAA ZICA NEKOJSI NAPON NO TOJ NAPON KE BIDE MAL ,,,,, NO AKO NAMOTAS 1000 METRI ZICA BAKORNA I SO ISTIOT MAGNET I SO ISTA BRZINA GO PRIDVIZIS OKLU TAA ZICA TOGAS KE DOBIES POGOLEM NAPON ???????? NO TI NEMA DA DOBIES AMPERI KADE I STO KE NAPRAVIS ZA DA DO BIES AMPERI ,,,, TI KE ZEMES 1000 PARCINJA SO DOLZINA OD 1 METAR I VRZIS ????????,,,,,< TOA VI OSTAVAM NA VAS DA SE POTRUDITE DA OTKRIET >>>>>> JAS OVOJ PROBLEM GO IMAM RESENO VAS VI OSTAVAM DA GO PRONAJDETE TOGAS KE GI PRONAJDETE A M P E R I T E TOGAS SAMO KE VI TREBA BRZO MAGNETNO POLE NO NE MNOGU JAKO KOE KE PREKINUVA I KE VLEGUVA VO << COLECTOR COIL .. TOGAS KE DOBIETE TOA TPU NO IMA USTE EDEN PROBLEM ??? KOGA KE GO RAZBERETE TOA TOGAS KE SE DOBIE USTE EDEN MAL PROBLEM TOA VI GO OSTAVAM NA VAS I ZA NA KRAJ OD OVA OBJASNUVANJE IMAM DA V KAZAM NESTO ZA DA NE GUBITE VERBA U UVA OVA JAS GO IMAM NAPRAVENO SO OVIE KAPRAKTERISTIKI <<<<<<< 8WATT IN ABOUT 50WATT OUT ELECTR ENERGY >>>>... SE OVA STO GO KAZAV E TRUE ILI VISTI
VERUVAJTE KOGA KE VIDAM VIDEO CLIP ILI SLIKA DEKA NEKOJ OD VAS NESTO NAPRAVIL SO OVA MOE OBJASNUVANJE I KAKO DOJDE DO NEKOJ PROBLEM JAS KE MU POMOGNAM SAMO AKO VIDAM DEKA NEKOJ VISTINSKI POKUSAVA DA NAPRAVI TOGAS KE POMOGNAM FALA ZA VASETO VREME THANKS TO ALL IN THIS FORUM
Thank you : please post in the best english you can, we will try hard to figure out what your saying . Ignor the pesters. you mean well and keep working . Mike
Actually, if we can find an Online macedonian translator, that might just help. Has anyone tried to translate the above message online? ???
Cheers,
Bruce
My translator doesn't recognize it.
hmm,
would be nice if someone could translate his words.
8 Watts Input and 50 Watts output sound great !
How did you measure it exactly ?
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: wattsup on June 07, 2007, 02:18:40 PM
Geez. When it's not SM's stereo parables or Erfinders mystisism, now we have Macedonian tid-bits.
Who's next?
I like this. This is funny, genuinely funny :). Made me laugh first time i read it and I am still laughing when I read it again :).
Ok, I'll try to help. I am Macedonian so the translation is not a problem, here it goes:
Start of translation
Hi, Ok I don?t type English but I type Macedonian Language. If you have problem with my English then I will type Macedonian.
So, like this, it?s very simple ............. I want to say that diodes are alike this transistor BUZ11A...... that?s first. Second, if you have one copper wire and if it?s long 1 meter and if you move small magnet close to it you will acquire on the ends of that wire some voltage but that voltage will be small,,,,, but if you wind 1000 meters of copper wire and if you move the same magnet with same velocity around that wire, than you will acquire higher voltage ??? ????? But you will not obtain Amperes, so what you have to do to obtain Amperes ,,,,, you will take 1000 pieces with length of 1 meter and connect ??? ?????,,,,,< I live that to you to put some effort to figure it out >>>>>> I have solved this problem, I leave it up to you to figure it out. Than you will find Amperes. Than you will need fast magnetic field but not very strong which will interrupt and enter in << collector coil..
Then you will have the TPU but still there is one more problem ??? .When you will understand that then one other minor problem will emerge. I live that to you. And for the end of this explanation I have to tell you something in order not to lose faith in this. I did this with following characteristics <<<<<<< 8Watt in about 50Watt out electrical energy >>>>? All this what I have said is true
Believe me, when I see video clip or picture that some of you did something with this explanation and if he experiences some problem I will help him. Only if I see that someone really is trying to make it than I will help. Thank you for your time. Thanks to all in this forum.
End of translation
@Bruce
I like the energy that you brought to this forum. I personally think you are right on the money, just have to iron the details along the way.
Godspeed
Macedonian
@ Digilab
Thank you very much, both for your kind words and translation. Perhap you would be kind enough to PM our other Macedonian friend, and see if he could give us a few more clues. Is he speaking in reference to Otto and Roberto's setup? Or something different. What ever you can get from him would be useful. :)
@ Macedonian friend
Thank you
@ everyone else
I wonder if I am the only one who thinks that what the macedonian tells us is eerily familiar to what SM said.
SM's words:
"If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you
would always have limited potential because the length of wire
was so short.
OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles
in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the
wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power
available.
If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to
understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve
inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one
millivolt per inch.
If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get
12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire.
Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can
understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12
millivolts moving a magnet across it."
Either this Macedonian is a SM clone, or has read a translated .pdf of SM's posts,
or he may be onto something. GK, Jason, Otto or Roberto might understand or figure it out after reading the translation. Perhaps there is more RE coming off of Otto and Roberto's set up then they realize and it is not being picked up??? Unsure. :-\
Cheers,
Bruce
@DigiLab
Thanks for liking the joke.
Thanks even more for the translation. Please , please, stick around here for a while so we can speak with @Macedonia CD. We are only glad to learn more, but in one way or another, he has to realize that there are still many ways to interpret his total information to start building something.
You know, when I go fishing, I usually like to choose the lake. But right now with the limited information it would be like having to catch a trout in the Atlantic. No fun at all.
Things we need to know;
1) Coil diameter 6" but what is the height?
2) Coil structure material on which wire is wound?
3) Are both coils (secondary 40 turns, primary 20 turns) wound in the same direction and/or is one horizontal and the other vertical?
4) Can he give us the wire sizes.
5) Is he using only two terminals (2 and 3) of the BUZZ11A transistor, and is he using four of these transistors to make a bridge rectifier AC/DC converter?
6) The 250khz, is this a pulse on/off or a frequency?
7) 8 watts input, is this the total watts consumed by the pulser and the primary coil together? If yes, what is the input voltage to the primary?
When a replication is in order, it has to be based on common information so others can confirm the same device, otherwise we will have 20 different systems with some maybe working and others not. This will only create more confusion. The better the infromation to start, the less we will hound @Macedonia CD afterwards.
Thanks again for your kind assistance.
Macidonia CD is this the wire your speaking about ? and coil?
Hmm...just doing some thinking tonight.
I have wound Otto's collectors and bought all the control wire I need. Will finish this tomorrow and post pics on Otto's thread.
Let me tell you what I have been thinking about. Let us assume for a moment that SM's TPU's collectors were indeed one turn each. This leaves a huge gap in weight vs. actual wire, as I demonstrated on my thread, doing the reverse engineering based on the weight given of SM's TPU in the engineer's report.
So, what if What both SM and our Macedonian friend are trying to show us, that we need more wire. But this wire would have been wrapped in the same direction as the collectors, under or over them. And then perhaps through induction, more amperage is then created.
We know from Otto, that our TPU has a rotating magnetic field. This is the "weak" magnetic field referred by SM and the Macedonian. The Macedonian suggests in his PM to me to wrap 20 turns over the collector. As Grumpy said, this would indeed suggest induction, but again.....THINK NEW TECH... Perhaps the induction could be a result of the high frequencies.
You see, some time ago on my thread I mentioned that High frequencies can go right through solid objects. I do not think anyone has picked up on that. Perhaps there is much more energy being produced currently in Otto's and Roberto's setup then anyone realizes.
Like I said....Just thinking aloud.. ;)
Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Our Macedonian friend suggests using speed diodes in his setup and that it is his key to success. Not being an electronics guy, I wanted to know what that was exactly. It is both facinating and fits in with some things that has been discussed for months, as you will see in very real ways.
Definition: (I exerted this pertinent part.)
It is often said that the Schottky diode is a "majority carrier" semiconductor device. This means that if the semiconductor body is doped N-type, only the N-type carriers (mobile electrons) play a significant role in normal operation of the device. The majority carriers are quickly injected into the conduction band of the metal contact on the other side of the diode to become free moving electrons. Therefore no slow, random recombination of N- and P- type carriers is involved, so that this diode can cease conduction faster than an ordinary PN rectifier diode. This property in turn allows a smaller device area, which also makes for a faster transition. This is another reason why Schottky diodes are useful in switch-mode power converters; the high speed of the diode means that the circuit can operate at frequencies in the range 200 kHz to 2 MHz, allowing the use of small inductors and capacitors with greater efficiency (*Our Macedonian friend is using 250 KHz frequency) than would be possible with other diode types. Small-area Schottky diodes are the heart of RF detectors and mixers, which often operate up to 5 GHz.
Now, what can we do with this information...
Cheers,
Bruce
And in the day of SM these DIODES (notice I did not say rectifier) were incapsulated in the Top-Hat case as in the item Marco circled on the pic and asked what it would be.
Diodes can be used to pass energy from a tuned tank into what would be called an 'infinity inductance' for storage of energy. Since the infinite inductance has no limit on the energy stored it always appears to the tire pump as having a lower pressure than the pump so air always flows.
This would be a great thing to connect between two bifilar conductors of the same coil. Maybe a good source for RE :D
AM the only in the world that has a 144 in by 84 in X 20 glass plate capacitor ? new wire frams wil come no arm chrar stuff , you will getbresulats LMD
I didn't see anyone answer the question earlier concerning increasing the amperage, I assume because it's pretty obvious but just incase this has passed some people by:
If you want increased amps you need to put the individual wires in parallel.