Have a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91iCppzXuXw
Seems it does not stick at the beginning and at the end...
Looks good.
Yeah, good video.
I hope that he gets it finished soon as I really want to see it in full action.
It definitely seems to have bypassed the flux-gating effect. My guess is that with a full compliment of Neo's and a few more sets of stators in the right positions would beef up the torque output quite a bit.
yes it looks very good!. will see what happens.
peace
what i see here is a good sign... A big wheel which has none or very little flux gate and i think that if it had a little more momentum it could go all the way around.. We'll see what happens in the next video...
I wonder if he is not simply wasting the ceramic magnets by exposing them to the strong neos. You know that most ceramics will simply flip poles when exposed to a strong magnetizing force like the neos have.
Anyway, 1 month and no updates, my guess is that he has learnt what is a sticky spot by now.
any news?
anyone going to replicate this?
looks pretty simple.
peace
that looked like the same principal as the back brush video except in reverse. didn't show under the table.
I'm playing with the design used in the ducktape /screwdriver video. I found this website while looking for stuff about Hydrogen as fuel.
not everyone has the time and resourses to post a vid every other day. God forbid, maybe he died in a car accident two hours after he posted that on the web. I'm critical but, damn.
FreeEnergy
I'd love to try it. Same as with the backbrush motor video. It will be a month or so before I can get the cash extra. You know wife, kids, work, house, car, other projects in progress already. I'm not being cynical. It could be longer.
I believe in the validity of the video. Many similar set ups have been proven to work. Our engineers (Sun et al) have also shown two videos on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98u1FAx9JkM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLkMaS3Xj0I
The theory behind is the Lee-Tseung Lead-Out Patent. The best scenario is 'boat in calm water and good sunshine'. If a scientist does not know how to use solar energy, he may advocate using muscle energy - rowing. If he knows how to use solar energy, he may rest and let the solar energy do the work. The Law of Conservation of Energy is NOT violated.
We are immersed in gravitational energy. We have masses and attract each other. If you move, work will be done (Work = force x displacement). Or there is constant exchange of gravitational energy between any object and its surrounding (the entire universe). Such energy in infinite and free. If we know how to use it, we do not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
Much discussion is in http://www.steorn.com/forum under the ltseung888 posts. The best thread to follow is "using the OU devices to benefit the World.
This is my second post. The first one appears to be successful. I am using the attachment feature this time.
One of my Inventor friends in China, Mr. Wang Shum Ho, has become the vice president of a new RMB$13 billion Company focusing on Electricity Generation using Cosmic Energy Machines. Apparently, the Chinese Government has given its backing. The Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory has been accepted and funding on Over Unity Research is available. (1 USD = 7.7 RMB$)
See the attached file for details.
I edited the PowerPoint presentation to a word document. This should help in the detailed understanding of the Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory and the workings of the Wang Shum Ho Generator.
The Juicy story of Wang Shum Ho is included.
hey
guess what. I took some scrap copper in to sell and got extra cash for more magnets. tried the set up in this video. got some good results. used 30 disc neos on a heavy cardboard spinner. 15 outer, 15 inner. used a 24 degree separation on outer circumference. used even split (12 degree off outer) to start inner circumference. somewhat arbitrary spacing between two rings, about the diameter of one of the magnets. disc diameter 11 1/4" outer magnets touch edge. neos about 5/8" by 1/8". I used an old hard disc disc motor for the bearings, shaft and aluminium housing/disc holder for a center mount.
used 12, 3/8" x 1/8" neos for the stator. held by hand 2 stacks of six each, paralell to the disc/ spinner. I achieved spontaneous start several times. had several full rotations. the one other thing I did was I oriented the stator mags so they were opposing ( stacks were pushing apart) I held them horizontal to the spinner and over the space between the rings.
EXSTATIC
but noticed spinner was not truly flat. had some dips and high spots, not getting consistant fields/forces from either the spinner or the hand held stators. I've got some acrylic that I'll use for the spinner. oh, I held the stub of the bearing shaft with a pair of locking pliers. again by hand. I was so encouraged. let me beef it up and all get back to ya'll.
Great kidsicu2!
can you explain about the magnet pole/position for replicate this?
also do you have picture or video!?
Make sure you read and understand the theory. I have the draft press release updated (See attached).
Once you can explain the 'boat in calm water and good sunshine' scenario to the top academics, they will not block you with talks of violating the Law of Conservation of Energy.
I shall post videos of adding pulse mechanism to the Sun et al wheel shortly. Sun et al plan to produce toys to sell. Thus for those who do not want to buy bits and pieces to glue together, wait for the DIY toy.
FAR OUT MAN I LOVE THIS THREAD
VERY COOL!!!!!!!!!!
Very sexy, but technically if you can get 90deg covered with neo's you should be able to use 8 stators... 2 at every 90deg and maintain the rotation i'd really love to see more shots and videos of one of these in action.
Hello Tseung,
Thank you for sharing Wang's story. It really is amazing. I hope that his health has improved.
It is wonderful to see "Lead Out" thinking concerning OU. I am excited to see a video as well. Thank you for the detail. It would be exciting to see this replicated here on this forum, with your help, if you and Wang thought it okay to give that amount of help and detailed information.
Warm regards,
Bruce :)
Hi ltseung888,
Thanks a lot for your valuable informations.
I did apreciate "The Juicy story of Wang Shum Ho" :)).
In your Magnetic_Motor1.doc you are talking about pendulum.
This let me think about the Veljko Milkovic device.
Is he not using ?the pendulum with a pulse force at resonance??
If your are not aware of this machine you can find more about it, on:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1763.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1763.0.html)
I have also downloaded and put some videos on:
http://freenrg.info/Milkovic/ (http://freenrg.info/Milkovic/)
Best
Quote from: NerzhDishual on June 30, 2007, 05:50:42 PM
In your Magnetic_Motor1.doc you are talking about pendulum.
This let me think about the Veljko Milkovic device.
Is he not using ?the pendulum with a pulse force at resonance??
I have read the Milkovic information. He is in fact using "the pendulum with a pulse force at resonance". So far he is applying the Pulse Force externally. He can demonstrate that it is easier to swing the pendulum than pushing a pump etc. He can demonstrate that a small pulse force through a hand held light could light up eight lights.
However, he might not have digested the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory thoroughly yet. If he fully understood the theory, he could have a feedback mechanism so that he could keep Leading Out gravitational energy without the external Pulse Force.
His device is excellent in demonstrating the Lee-Tseung Theory. We hope to work with him to perfect the feedback mechanism.
The feedback mechanism for pure mechanical systems is best achieved via coupling of two or more techniques. Wang Device is an example. Steorn Toy is another example.
Hi ltseung888,
Thanks for the particulars.
I whish I also had fully assimilated/grasped the 'Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory' so I would be able to build my own Bessler-like machine! Would I not be?
Best
Try to read the over 500 posts in the Steorn.com/forum under the thread - Using the OU devices to benefit the World.
I know that it is impossible for the average person to understand or appreciate the Lee-Tseung theory after reading an article once or twice. Take your time to study it.
The exception is the Group at Tsing Hua University in China. They had the advantage of working on an Electricity Energy Magnifier that could magnifier input power 30 times. They worked on it for 11 years without knowing why before our visit.
(The recent Chas Campbell youtube video from Australia uses wheels instead of cylinders and claims to have a magnification factor of 10.)
I Have Built A Lot of running motors and posted them on youtube.com/pcockriel
someone from overunity emailed me
so here is my responce
I did not know there was a community of free energy people out there.
LISTEN CLOSE im not going to post it again /only on my site
everyone is looking for overunity
its so simple I have shut down my videos because of the overload of emails but i want to explain in detail how it works and if you want to see it work then check throughout the week at youtube.com/pcockriel im really just tired, I have explained this thing untill im blue.
ok a sphere is in a glass or whatever you want to put it in you can use springs whatever but to make it simple i have a ball with small iron core i fill the glass with water to cover a little more than the ball so the ball will float about 1/2 inch and
a magnet goes under the glass, what happens at this point almost nothing, but when a plate of metal is slid under the glass a little more than half way the ball will not stop untill the plate under is moved or pulled out ( you say it cant be that simple) if this is one of you that say it cant be this simple either watch the video or i dont care about you anyway, so that said im sorry you all had to search and search and search but i had never heard of overunity untill today, if you think its all crap i dont care becuse i dont sell anything i dont sell the motors i was wanting to help but this is my last transmission, i will post the video before this month is up for those of you intrested
with all the answers you will need , remember dont go to my site now as i have shut it down for a while thanks paul610232@yahoo.com
oops you might need the date its July 2007
Quote from: pcockriel on July 02, 2007, 03:34:29 AM
I Have Built A Lot of running motors and posted them on youtube.com/pcockriel
someone from overunity emailed me
so here is my responce
I did not know there was a community of free energy people out there.
i will post the video before this month is up for those of you intrested
with all the answers you will need , remember dont go to my site now as i have shut it down for a while thanks paul610232@yahoo.com
No skepticism here. I will will definately try this out, as it sounds simple enough. Can you explain the iron ball a little more? Is it a iron core and a different metal on the outside, or just a solid iron sphere? In what orientation is the magnet beneath the glass? And also the metal type and shape. Sounds like a compass.
pcockriel
Post your video here, please
Hi itseung888 have you seen the Milkovic-Berrett Secondary Oscillator Generator on peswiki? it outputs 3.5 watts with 2.4 watts of energy, which is pretty close to what you said it would. 2 units of energy leads out one extra unit of gravitationational energy
Quote from: bigface on July 02, 2007, 02:03:36 PM
Hi itseung888 have you seen the Milkovic-Berrett Secondary Oscillator Generator on peswiki? it outputs 3.5 watts with 2.4 watts of energy, which is pretty close to what you said it would. 2 units of energy leads out one extra unit of gravitationational energy
I got to the following site:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Milkovic-Berrett_Secondary_Oscillator_Generator (http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Milkovic-Berrett_Secondary_Oscillator_Generator)
It appears that Berrett is still at an early stage - 15 second stable operation. I shall email him with our information. Thank you.
Mail to Mr. Berrett
Dear Mr. Berrett,
I read your information related to the Milkovic-Berrett Secondary Oscillator Generator with interest. We have a patented Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory that can explain the source of energy of the above machine. We would like to share that with you.
The information is in:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2482.msg37246.html#msg37246
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2482.msg37417.html#msg37417
You are welcome to join the forum.
Regards,
Lawrence Tseung
ltseung888:
Do you have a granted patent (patent #) or do you have a patent application?
Please provide details of the patent/s. Thanks
chrisC
To TheOne
Reply
I haven't made a video yet. The cardboard spinner was inadequate. Once I make a better spinner and it works better I'll make a video. I might need some advice on how to go about putting it on a website. I'll post to you when I have it ready. Went on a family vacatoin over the weekend. Didn't work on anything yet.
If some one would describe how to correcty identify how to determine pole orientation I could tell you which way I have the arraingment positioned. I have alot of mechanical experience but, llittle electronic working knowledge. Got a good multimeter but, no other testing equip..
I did position all the spinner magnets with the same pole up or down which ever way you want to look at it. I forgot to tell you that I held the stack magnets about an inch apart when it worked the best, maybe a little less. Also held the stacks about an inch to 1 1/2" above the spinner.
regards
QuoteI forgot to tell you that I held the stack magnets about an inch apart when it worked the best, maybe a little less. Also held the stacks about an inch to 1 1/2" above the spinner.
Did I understand you correctly? You are holding by hand a stack of magnets while the spinner turns and if you suspend the stack of magnets in the same position above the spinner withou touching it by hands it stops spinning, corret?
Omnibus
No read back to the 28th. Used two stacks of 6 smaller neos to simulate what I saw in the video that started this. He used 2 bar magnets as the stator. I used 2 stacks of neos and opposed each stacks poles so they oppossed fields when held parallel to the rotor/ spinner. I held them close enough that they strongly opposed each other and varied that distance till I got results. i also played with the height that way as well. I did it by hand to hasten the process of testing and got results. Now to build something to do further testing.
This should be easy to duplicate. My son held the spinner while manipulated the stator?
Dear chrisC,
Please check http://www.wipo.int/pctdb
PCT/IB2005/000138 titled Extract Energy from Gravity.
@kidsicu2,
This will only be of interest if the rotor turns without you or anybody holds the stator in hand. Numerous spinners with handheld stators have been proposed none of which is of any interest.
omnibust
I really dont care if you dont think that its of any intrest to you or not. I f you dont understand the concept of experimentation thats not my problem. Hand held was the fastest way to test what the spinner mtoor concept I saw in the video. I plan to build something rigid for show! However I got results that made me want to invest more time and effort with how I approached the testing. Go build your own boat. I'm sure I could criticize it as well.
Don't presume to speak for all the people that are looking at this. They may well be interested. I posted what I did and saw. All the info is available on this thread tfor whomever may want to try of what I have done.
Talk about raining on a parade.
Thanks!
Quote from: chrisC on July 02, 2007, 04:20:39 PM
ltseung888:
Do you have a granted patent (patent #) or do you have a patent application?
Please provide details of the patent/s. Thanks
chrisC
Please go to the website http://www.steorn.com/forum. Open the thread "Using the OU devices to benefit the world" and search on patents. You will see dozens of posts related to the discussion.
We have turned over our patent to the Chinese Government and people. Thus Lee and Tseung have no financial interests any more. There is much debate on the International level on how to deal with this technology.
Note that the over unity technology is closely linked with the Flying Saucer technology. The Flying Saucer Technology will wipe out the most advanced planes, missiles, space ships of today.
We do not want a single nation to dominate this technology and give suffering to others as in the "Guns against arrows" periods.
Omnibust
I decided That I really need to correct your earlier post. I said that I had several spontaneous starts not stops. Yes starts, not stops. I understand your opposition to hand held. It is not consistantly reproducible. Is variable. Subject to manipulation. My son thought it was valid.
I wouldn't have made a post about this if I didn't think it was worthwhile to report. It is prelimenary. I thought some folks would be interested and apparently several are. Try it yourself, lets hear from you. I have given the exact perameters that I used. I wouldn't try a cardboard rotor however, didn't work well enough. I did hold the stator and reported that and why. Video is next. OK. Whether it works or not.
Quote from: kidsicu2 on July 03, 2007, 01:36:17 AM
I wouldn't have made a post about this if I didn't think it was worthwhile to report. It is prelimenary.
I back you up 100%. In my earlier post, our engineers (Sun et al) have also shown two videos on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98u1FAx9JkM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLkMaS3Xj0I
The horizontal rotational wheel was also hand held. The purpose was to test whether suitably positioned permanent magnets could interact to provide rotation. Once this is confirmed, the next step is to find the best positioning (and then shielding).
This is a baby step but also an essential one before achieving continuous rotation.
@ltseung888,
Until you achieve full turns without holding the stator by hand this is of no interest whatsoever, not even a baby step. There are numerous such achievements but no one, it seems, has yet crossed the Rubicon.
I think when the arc of magnets is continued, the field will cancel itself out and stop producing a rotational force. I don't want to think negatively, but I think there is a sticky spot in the beginning, when he goes over the first magnet, then its pulled by the second. What I think happens is that the arc of magnets are acting like one, so the more you increase the length, the bigger void of force u have in the middle section. I could be totally wrong, and would love to see a full or atleast half circle of magnets.
itseung888
thanks
as far as I can tell the wheel turn a more then 360 you know?
nice video itseung888 !
Can you explain how the magnet are oriented and where the shielding is needed?
thank you
Now we have the first set of three videos to support our Lead Out theory and explain the observed effects. They are on youtube:
1. Simulating the Minato wheel horizontal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLkMaS3Xj0I
2. Simulating the Minato wheel vertical
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98u1FAx9JkM
3. Magnet positioning of the Minato wheel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvlDEqf2pCc
In 1, Sun et al wanted to demonstrate that using permanent magnets alone, they could get the wheel rotating. The demonstration used positioning and orientation of permanent magnets only. No magnetic shielding material was used. There was slight hand movement to jerk the wheel to start. The jerking force was small as seen on the video. However, there were objections that it was the jerking movement of the hand that provided the necessary energy.
In 2, Sun et al placed the wheel in the vertical position. No hand movement was used. The wheel could rotate for about 17 minutes before stopping. (Free spinning by strong pull could get the wheel spinning for about 10 minutes only.)
In 3, Sun et al placed the wheel in the horizontal position again. However, they used more magnets. Each of the outer ring magnets were wrapped onto a water bottle. This allowed easy change of number of magnets, position of magnets, orientation of magnets, different type of magnets, etc. The wheel could rotate for about 30 minutes before stopping.
Conclusing: Positioning and orientation of permanent magnets could provide the force and energy to rotate the wheel many revolutions.
Let us explain the three videos from the point of view of the Lee-Tseung lead Out theory.
(1) The outer magnets did not form a symmetric closed loop. THis allowed net clockwise force via repulsion.
(2) This is the unbalanced wheel rotation as explained in the Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory. Pulsing was provided by the acceleration and deceleration of the wheel as the rotational speed was not uniform. Electron Motion Energy was Lead Out. Thus there were no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.
(3) The feedback system was not perfect. The system tried to find its own resonance frequency. The rotation provided changing magnetic fields to continue and to overcome friction and air resistance. Once settled into resonance, the system should theoretically continue forever.
(4) However, external factors such opening a door, ground vibrations from passing cars etc. tipped the balance slightly. Less energy was sent via the feedback mechanism. This caused the eventual stoppage.
(5) Loosely coupled 2 system devices such as the Wang, the Milkovic two stage pendulum or the Steorn toy would be better. If these two system were complementing each other, perpetual motion with some energy left to do useful work could result.
Most OU inventions using ONE single system oscillation, vibration or rotation failed due to the above. Hope this is now clear to all OU inventors and physicists.
i am not phisicists, i just want to replicate it and i need simple answer like what are the orientation of the stator magnet and what are the orientation of the rotor magnet?
The next experimental steps from Sun et al:
Sun et al are now working on the Pulsing Mechanism using electrical means. See the two videos on youtube:
pulse Motor vertical http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0hoiVnrxA
pulse motor horizontal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT9EPYHDjDg
With electrical input energy, both wheels will rotate forever or until the parts fall apart. The following are suggested:
(1) Determine the minimum input energy to rotate the wheels.
(2) Determine the effect of multiple input coils; the pulsing strength and the Pulsing rate.
(3) Experiment with a separate electricity pickup coil (This works in the reverse principle of the pulsing coil.)
(4) Experiment with the Pulsing Coil acting also as the pickup coil. (Similar to the Bedini or Joseph Newman machines.)
(5) Experiment with using the axle as the power source. (Similar to the 225 HP Pulse motor.)
Sun et al are planning to sell 'platform' toys for the experimental developers and budding scientists. You can look forward to having perpetual motion DIY toys that do not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy on your desk in the near futue. You will have fun playing with them.
Quote from: TheOne on July 03, 2007, 07:00:43 PM
i am not phisicists, i just want to replicate it and i need simple answer like what are the orientation of the stator magnet and what are the orientation of the rotor magnet?
Sun et al are still experimenting with different magnets, different orientations, different angles etc. That is the reason for the magnets wrapped on water bottles. The answer is far from simple.
If you are impatient and want to experiment now, look at the video carefully. Do something similar. Dozens of people have successfully achieved the same result. Note that Sun et al
did not achieve perpetual motion with this setup. It rotated for 30 minutes only.
If you do not mind waiting, you can purchase a DIY platform toy from Sun et al when it is ready. I cannot give you a firm date now. Keep reading information from this forum from time to time.
That will depend how they cost :)
I say that because I have like 100 neo magnet (smaller then the one you are using)
but i have it but don't know what to do with it lol
I dont really need to know exactly all the setup but what i would like to know is more are the rotor magnet are facing all in the same direction and same for the stator
Quote from: TheOne on July 03, 2007, 05:21:32 PM
as far as I can tell the wheel turn a more then 360 you know?
I was talking about the op's video.
I'm sure that wheel ltseung888 posted should work. I dont think its good enough for a generator, but good enough to turn itself for a while. Perhaps they should try using that new coil design with no back emf to build up a charge.
Quote from: ltseung888 on July 03, 2007, 09:16:35 PM
Quote from: TheOne on July 03, 2007, 07:00:43 PM
i am not phisicists, i just want to replicate it and i need simple answer like what are the orientation of the stator magnet and what are the orientation of the rotor magnet?
Sun et al are still experimenting with different magnets, different orientations, different angles etc. That is the reason for the magnets wrapped on water bottles. The answer is far from simple.
If you are impatient and want to experiment now, look at the video carefully. Do something similar. Dozens of people have successfully achieved the same result. Note that Sun et al did not achieve perpetual motion with this setup. It rotated for 30 minutes only.
If you do not mind waiting, you can purchase a DIY platform toy from Sun et al when it is ready. I cannot give you a firm date now. Keep reading information from this forum from time to time.
I have another question, the wheel need a lot of magnet for the stator to make it turn? you cannot do it only with one magnet as stator and the rest in the rotor?
he got a new version up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOxC-DL6HEQ
Thank you for the link, TheOne.
Notice the comments directed to MYLOW, by debunkified. I agree with his skepticism here. If this configuration is working without gate stick, then MYLOW could have easily placed a couple more stator magnets around the outside and we'd have a continuous running motor. Or am I missing something?
j
Here we go again. Video removed by user. Or is the link incorrect.
sugra
Quote from: sugra on July 09, 2007, 06:20:18 AM
Here we go again. Video removed by user. Or is the link incorrect.
sugra
Its appears that he deleted it, cause the rest of his videos are still there, less the two spinner videos. He probably added the rest of the magnets and found out it doesn't work.
Oh well. Its known that you complete the loop and it all goes away. Multi platters with the mags spaced to overcome the spot on the others is the only way I can see it to happen. Prendiv(sp) had three rotors and the mags were also canted. He has been bitten by the bug so I know he will still be at it.
sugra
weird i dont understand what append !
what happened here? video got deleted. anyone saved a copy? any news on this? anyone?
Im coming back to youtube in the future and im coming back with a bang
I have a book Im wrighting on free energy exposed
and will post great ideas !!