Hi All,
the newest Newman video showing his motor running on about 400 Volts of solar panels
with 0.27 Amps,so about 108 Watts input
and pumping water:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5684495902617203266
Public demo will be at the 5th of July 2007 in Phoenix , Arizona !
Regards, Stefan.
Forwarded from Evan Soul?:
It's Done!
And the results are phenomenal.
To view the latest energy machine video, visit:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5684495902617203266
The video shows something which has never been done before:
A 7,500-lb Newman energy machine with a 1,200-lb rotary and a 450-lb flywheel (spinning at hundreds of rpms) powering a 375-lb positive displacement pump with a 4-inch diameter intake/out-take & 10-foot head pumping 5,000 GALLONS PER DAY is running off only: 4 SOLAR PANELS that can produce a MAXIMUM OF JUST UNDER 120 WATTS (up to 400 volts x .287 amps)!!!
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Joseph Newman plans to demonstrate the above technology in Phoenix, Arizona
on Thursday, July 5, 2007.
Please contact Joseph Nolfe at (205) 835-9022
to obtain location/time details in Phoenix.
(As of this email, details are being arranged.)
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Note:
JOSEPH NEWMAN WILL AGAIN BE FEATURED ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL:
"BEYOND INVENTION --- New Energy"
Energy machine inventor Joseph Newman will be featured on THE SCIENCE CHANNEL
three (3) times Wednesday & Thursday, July 4th & 5th.
Please consult your local listings for details.
Also, here's the weblink address for the Science Channel broadcast times featuring Joseph Newman:
http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.13776.120356.11352.x
Please let others know about the upcoming broadcasts!
Best regards,
Evan Soule'
JNPCo./NECorp.
http://www.josephnewman.com
Additional important video seen at:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1610087835473512086&hl=en
For additional information, please contact:
Mr. Joseph Nolfe
President & CEO
Newman Energy Corporation
(205) 835-9022
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THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN
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Forwarded from Evan Soul?:
Stefan --
The energy machine is now running entirely from several solar panels --- nothing else.
The maximum external energy input that the solar panels can provide is 120 watts.
And yet those 120 watts are sufficient to:
1) Turn a 1,200-lb rotary!
2) Turn a 450-lb flywheel 500-600 rpms!
3) Power a 350-lb positive displacement pump, pumping water at the rate of 5,000 gallons per day!
Moreover, the fluke meter is showing back-spikes in excess of 1,000 volts!
The sparking that appears on the commutator is LESS than the single spark that might occur when your hand touches a door handle after crossing a carpet on a cold, dry day.
For anyone to claim that the 120 watts from the solar panels can perform the above would be ludicrous.
The energy to power the system is coming from the atomic domains of the copper conductor inside that 7,500-lb energy machine.
rgds,
Evan
Quote from: hartiberlin on June 29, 2007, 08:43:54 PM
Public demo will be at the 5th of July 2007 in Phoenix , Arizona !
WOOOOO HOOOOOO!!!
Consider me there! I'll post some videos of the demo if they'll let me.
WOW I was uber bummed out today, right up untill I just read that!
~Dingus Mungus
the only problem is the cost of a 7500lb motor is prob more then an house LOL
After further review I'm slightly concerned by the numbers now...
Basically its descibed load is 5000gallons in 10 hours. (appox 9gpm)
The described solar power source is capable of 120w max.
Go and crunch the numbers against pumps designed to do this.
http://www.plumbingsupply.com/performancepropumps.html
It says that pump will move 100% more water at the same wattage.
Anyone else slightly confused by this?
~Dingus Mungus
Hello Dingus:
The calculus I have seen and I have done say that the work done is around 20 to 30 watts, so I guess that what poor old Joseph has is a very unefficient and massive way to pump water wasting otherwise more useful solar power.
Hmm,
so let?s try to calculate,how much power it needs to move how much water
up 10 Foot ( 3 Meters) in one second ...
Okay, Newman says in the video he is moving up 9 gallons of water (about 34 Liters)
in a minute 10 foot up.
So now to move 1 Kg = 1 Liter of water up 3 Meters ( 10 foot ) you need a work energy W
of:
W= mass x earth gravitational acceleration x height.
So W= 1 Liter x 9.81 x 3 Meters= 29.43 Wattseconds ( Joule)
So if you want to bring up every second 1 Liter = 1 Kg of water 3 Meters up you need
a Wattage of 29.43 Wattseconds / 1 Second= 29.43 Watts.
Now Joe is pumping 9 gallons per minute, that is 34 Liters per minute and divided
by 60 to get a value per second :
34 Liters/minute / 60 = 0.5666 Liters/second.
So Joe is pumping just 0.5666 Liters/second 3 Meters up.
So as it is less than 1 Liters per minute we must multiply the
29.43 Watts x 0.5666 and thus get 16.68 Watts.
So we only need 16.68 Watts contant power input to pump up
the same volume of water Joe is pumping up, if we would have
a 100 % efficient electrical to mechanical conversion pumping system.
Now Joe needs about 120 Watts of power for this.
So it seems his system is pretty inefficient to do this job.
But you never know, how much losses his system has
internally, e.g. how much energy goes into heating
his coil, how much enery is lost in turning the gears,
how much energy is lost inside his pump as friction...
Hmm... So as I said before, the mechanical output of
the Newman motors is less than the inputed electrical energy.
I don?t understand, why Joe Newman does not see this ???
He should better try to enhance his machine in putting out more RF
power and light bulbs with it as he has done with his earlier machines...
The real strength in his machine is the RF power output via the sparks
and the DC component energy spike with the bigger coil machines.
But mechanically they are only around 60 to 70 % efficient I guess.
Regards, Stefan.
The more RF per rotation the more chance that extra power by transmutation.
I've been reviewing Newman's old right-up he put a short out segment on the commutator to reduce "wasteful sparking" ??? But he has many different commutator
setups. One fired 28Xper rotation. I'm building one out of tungsten firing 22X per rotation.
I think he found out later what was happening. I'll read some more.
I'm having problems downloading anything off Newman's site, problems staying logged on and posting here as well ???
So then the question remains:
Why would Joeseph Newman make this a demo???
I'm sure he realizes that the pump is not efficient, but what about the device is going to provide this excess energy. I would assume he has something up his sleeve, but I can't imagine what... Unless maybe the pump is also a heater that brings the output temp up high enough to signify a Cop>1. Who knows though... I'll go to the demo if it still happens and see what I can find out.
~Dingus Mungus
Quote from: Dingus Mungus on July 01, 2007, 12:11:54 AM
So then the question remains:
Why would Joeseph Newman make this a demo???
I'm sure he realizes that the pump is not efficient, but what about the device is going to provide this excess energy. I would assume he has something up his sleeve, but I can't imagine what... Unless maybe the pump is also a heater that brings the output temp up high enough to signify a Cop>1. Who knows though... I'll go to the demo if it still happens and see what I can find out.
~Dingus Mungus
Yes,please go to the demo and ask Joe,
why his pump should be better than one of these compact desgin pumps:
http://www.plumbingsupply.com/performancepropumps.html
which pump more water the same height high at the same power input.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I spoke with Joe Nolfe and discovered that the Arizona demo was unfortunately cancelled due to venue problems, but the demo will be happening this Thursday in Alabama. If we can get one of our south eastern American members to attend, I still believe it to be benificial to have a trusted member on site to assist in measuring any anomolous output. I told Mr Nolfe about our efficiency estimates on the water pump, and while he was skeptical about my assertions of low efficiency we discussed it to the extent that the phone call would allow for. He said he would visit this site tonight to see our work on the newman concept motors, and hopefully ask Mr Newman or a technical representive from ASU to come and answer some questions for us. As I understand it himself and Mr Newman were unaware of our efforts here, but fully support the our goals of open source free energy systems.
I'm suppost to give him a call back in a few days, and I'll update this or another appropriate thread with any new information I obtain.
Anyone in the Alabama who would be willing to visit the demo this thursday please get in contact with Mr Nolfe ASAP to reserve a spot in advance.
Thanks to all,
~Dingus Mungus
Forwarded from Evan Soul?:
JOSEPH NEWMAN'S CHALLENGE TO THE WORLD:
Joseph Newman has issued a $10,000 challenge for ANYONE to provide a conventional motor that can be hooked up to those same solar panels in the video demonstration and then produce sufficient mechanical energy to power the 7,500-lb Newman energy machine (meaning: spin the energy machine's 1,200 rotary and 450-lb flywheel at 100's of rpms) PLUS power the 350-lb Positive Displacement Pump (meaning: spin its shaft at 100+ rpms) PLUS pump 5,000 gal/day of water against a 10 foot head.
Can anyone provide such a conventional motor (that is not using Joseph Newman's technology)?
-- Evan Soule'
The question really is, how much friction this huge Newman motor and the pump will have at the used RPM ?
Only the frictional losses at these RPM will count and the heat losses inside the Newman machine
from the input current.
It would be good, if this could be measured and then compared to the input power.
Then we can see, if there is enough power left to pump the water this high.
Regards, Stefan.
From www.plumbingsupply.com/performancepropumps.html ,
their "Artesian LOW 1725 RPM":
1/8HP motor,but max.152 W
head up to 14? Newman :10?
Pump-Volume: up to 1500gph !!! " " " : up to 5000gpd !!!
hour day
S
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p.s.: I would provide the Artesian pump a "power saver"(soft driver) !!!
1/8 HP= 94,125 W
JNPCo. schrieb:
>> Okay, thanks,
>> it is now posted here:>>
>> http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2622.msg38417.html#msg38417
>>
>> The question really is,how much friction this huge Newman motor and the pump will have at the used RPM ?
>>
>> Only the frictional losses at these RPM will count and the heat losses inside the Newman machine
>> >from the input current.
>
>
> In the solar panel demonstration Joseph Newman has constructed such a large demonstration (using a very large, 7,500-lb prototype) precisely because he gotten the pseudo arguments >from so-called engineers over the years that "...well, there MUST be something wrong with the ampmeters, voltmeters, or oscilloscopes!" Why? Because they cannot believe their own eyes.
>
> So, for the moment -- dispense with the meters/oscilloscopes. Go with your intuitive observations.
>
> You mention "frictional losses" above. Let's talk about "friction".
>
> Let's take the rotary of Joe's 7,500-lb machine. That weighs in at 1,200 pounds. I've tried to turn that shaft with my bare hands. I would suspect that you, like me, would be able to BARELY turn it about a 1/3 of a revolution. Simply put: there is a lot of FRICTION. And I've felt the weight of that 450-lb flywheel. I'd hate to have to lift it! Joe tells me that two grown men grabbing the rotary of the 350-pound positive displacement pump --- with all their applied strength --- can barely turn that rotary even one full revolution! And it takes them 2 minutes to do so! I'd say that's a bit of "friction".
>
> Thus, if ANYONE tells me that 120 watts external input ---- ALONE ---- from several solar panels is capable of ALONE producing the input energy that results in the external output energy of: 1) rotating a 1200-lb rotary 500+ rpms , 2) rotating a 450-lb flywheel 500+ rpms, 3) rotating the rotary of a 350-lb positive displacement pump over 100 rpms, AND 4) pumping water against a 10-foot head at 5,000 gal/day ....... if ANYONE said that such externally outputted mechanical energy was accomplished by ONLY by 120 watts external input, I'd have to say they are a candidate for a first class lobotomy!
>
> So, excepting those individuals who are lobotomy candidates, my question would be:
> If the solar panels only provide a 120-watt input, then WHERE ----- WHERE ----- W H E R E ???????????????? ----- is the additional energy coming from to accomplish all of the above mechanical actions????????
> A sincere, intellectually-honest, and open-minded individual would ask such a question. And those who do will be the pioneers in applying this technology to the future.
>
Dear Evan,
as I don?t know, if the 7500 pound motor has any iron inside the stator
and the magnets inside the rotor will cogg to this iron,
it could be really hard to turn the rotor if there is no voltage applied
due to this cogging effect ..
Otherwise, if the voltage from the solar panels are applied, I could imagine,
when Newman uses good bearings, that after the powering up phase, when the motor
spins at its idle RPM this 7500 pounds Newman motor only needs about 10 to 20 Watts to overcome
the friction inside the bearing, as there is only mainly the bearing friction to overcome.
As the flywheel is not a fan, this will not drag much down the motor via airfriction.
so airfriction is probably pretty minimal , probably below 10 Watts.
Now let?s say from the 120 Watts of input remains about 100 Watts at the Newman machine output shaft,so
as there is also a gear which amplifies the torque via lower RPM conversion, you have left this 100 Wattsto pump the water 10 foot high.
As we already calculated, it only needs about 17 Watts constantly to do so to pump 0.56 Liters/sec or 5000 gallons
of water per day 10 foot up.
So all in all this pump could waste about 100 Watts - 17 Watts = 83 Watts of power in friction to do the pumping...
As long as we don?t have the exact measurements of friction versus RPM of these devices, it is all
speculation how efficient this Newman motor is.
At least there are smaller pumps that can pump the water much higher at lower input Wattage,
so this was not such a good demo.
Regards, Stefan.
Forwarded from Evan Soul?:
Joseph Newman now reports that his solar panel demo runs IN THE RAIN!
Also, while the system operates, the ampmeter continuously runs NEGATIVE.
It runs from zero to negative-zero to negative-zero to negative ..... constantly.
Also, the capacitor shows a charge of well over 300 volts while the system is running.
From Evan Soul?:
Stefan,
One could discuss the parameters of the energy machine until the cows come home to roost (to mix metaphors).
But Joseph Newman has issued a worldwide challenge:
Prove him wrong and walk away with $10,000.
He has stated that there is NO conventional motor than can do what his does.
So, simply, if someone has a conventional motor that CAN do what his does --- prove him wrong, win the challenge, and walk away with $10,000.
At this point in his life, he is not going to endlessly debate such things as "whether the friction (or lack of it) is or is not a factor." He's beyond debate. At this point, he provided a challenge. He "puts his money where his mouth is."
Anyone who is convinced that his demonstration is wrong (for whatever reason) has an opportunity to put up or shut up.
And if the past is any indication -- no one will rise to the challenge.
Evan
The only problem with "the challange" is it has to be equally as inefficient as his device meaning that it must spin all these thousand pound components and not just pump water. That is a challange I'll admit, but its a useless device to duplicate since the machine is so inefficient. Now some people are confusing losses with work. There is a difference, unless the loss is influencing the enviornment, its just a way too big fly wheel.
I have a pump right now that'll pump more water when using the same input source, but that doesn't qualify. No half a ton of spinning steel to show off... I guess thats important for a water pump to have.
I think someone is either influencing Joe to stand behind this badly planned demo, or he's losing it.
~Dingus Mungus
A good demo would have been running the former used
alternator-generator with the 7500 pound Newman
motor and powering a 5 x 100 Watts incandescent bulbs load from it
from the 120 Watts of solar input power.
Then everybody could immediately see, that the Newman motor would put out more power
than the solar panels could deliver.
Why is Joe Newman not doing this ?
That I can't say...
I assume it is possible with some of his larger engines. The best example was the truck that drove arround for 30 minutes in a golf cart battery set. That motor coupled to the solar array would have made much more sence as it had to produce lots of wattage to get over the rolling resistance of the truck.
Like I said before though, either someone is tricking/confusing him or he his losing his mind with old age.
Either way it makes me worry for him,
~Dingus Mungus
Maybe someone is influncing him. In a bad way. :(
THE MEN IN BLACK sometimes would stop by my scientist friend house and ask him for hes help on a project. He was just getting better after a bout with pancreatitis. Luckily he had a doctor's note. LOL
Just in:
Updated video from JoeNewman:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-648523340419613894
Thanks for the link Stefan.
Hmm..
God should tell Joseph Newman to connect an electric generator instead of a water pump to his machine.
If the voltage isn't high enough to drive the machine, it must simply be a question to use a step-up transformer to provide enough voltage.
Remember his device doesn't run on current, but on voltage - as he states quite a few times in his videos - but then why does he have all of his solar panels i parallel, and not in series which produces a much higher voltage?
Oh, one of the people helping him said he couldn't turn the rotor, but Newman turns it quite easily in the video. (But then again, the windings weren't shorted when he turned it ;D)
A selfrunner would be convincing - pumping water isn't.
I fully agree...
A 10kilo alternator should be no problem for it if its running a 150 kilo water pump. If he could show us a more power coming out than going in it would be one thing, but the demo is still really inefficient. I'm looking at solar panels right now and it'll cost me at least 500$ to get something capable of producing the wattage needed. I believe in his motors and work with no doubt, but the math is simply not in his favor.
Also his explanation about pulling amerage dropping the voltage is true, but if you step down the the voltage, then the current steps up... I want to try and get some panels together to test if it is possible with a standard high efficiency electric pump.
~Dingus Mungus
P.S. Does anyone here already have some 50-100w panels to test this?
Quote from: Thedane on July 06, 2007, 10:08:43 AM
Oh, one of the people helping him said he couldn't turn the rotor, but Newman turns it quite easily in the video. (But then again, the windings weren't shorted when he turned it ;D)
Exactly,
that was, what I was wondering too.
So it seems he has no iron in the stators,
when he has the rotor full of permanent magnets.
So it is sure, there is no cogging and he can
turn the motor very easily by hand, he just only
have to overcome the inertia of the flywheel.
So from this short sequence, where he turns the rotor via
the flywheel with his hands, one can guess, that the friction
force is not very high.
Quote
A selfrunner would be convincing - pumping water isn't.
You are right, if at least the water would be going like crazy,
but this low volume is a bit a pitty...
So not a very convincing demo.
He really should have optimized the motor for the electrical
output via RF power and light up several incandescent light bulbs
in series with the motor coil.
That is in my view the only opportunity of such a big motor.
The mechanical output is not so strong,
otherwise he would put a generator to it and run it selflooped.
I agree these motors are not made for intense mechanical power unless you are using a low ohm coil and a much higher amperage, but think of it this way: If the pump can sustain the back pressure of a 5" in diam by 10 foot hose filled with water(15kilosBP), then it should be able to turn a 100w alternator. Unless of course the vacuum of the water coming down the tube creates a syphoning effect and removes some of the load from the pump. I can't really tell in the video, but it appears that the exit volume is not sufficient to create a vacuum on its way down.
~Dingus Mungus
Sounds to me like Joe here seems to have forgotten something called inertia. Sure even a small 20-30 watt motor can spin a 7500 lb flywheel (given the right friction), but it will take a hell of a lot of time to get it up to speed. Once the flywheel is up to speed, it will continue to spin at this speed for a LONG time on a small load, even when the power to the motor is switched off.
I don't think Joe realizes that all he has created is a HUGE mechanical "capacitor" which slowly builds up energy trickled from solar panels. Its not magic, its not a mystery, its just a misunderstanding.
His challenge is pointless. Spinning a flywheel proves nothing with regards to efficiency as it poses no permanent load. Once the flywheel is spinning up to speed, it continues to do so and it takes little energy to keep it there (all one needs to do is supply enough energy to overcome heat loss to friction and pumping 10-30 watts worth of water). Hell, I'll go over there and use my own two hands to spin that flywheel myself and keep it going all day easily. Does my body count as a motor?