Hi All,
here is enclosed a video in Flash format
( you need to use www.videolan.org orMediaplayer classic to view it)
from user :
pcockriel.
He just disclosed, how it works:
He has a baker with water and an probably holow iron ball
swimming in it and underneath he has a permanent magnet.
Now he puts a copper plate half to the center underneath the baker
and the ironball begins to spin inside the water.
It seems to be a very simple permanent magnet motor, which is finally
working !
Please try it yourself !
Many thanks.
Here are his youtube videos with more explanations:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nv91OSQyB_I
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EeEhKH47Vdo
I was wondering if its a thin shelled iron sphere, or a conducting sphere, with a iron ball inside? In his explanations he shows a iron ball inside a plastic sphere which makes it roll. I think it should work, but you would need the perfect balance. The floatation of it has to pull its weight up perfectly and not too much. It also seems like theres a surface tension effect, as when the ball is rolling inside the beaker, it rubs against the botton and the backside of the glass, which seems to be critical for rotational movement.
One question, where do I get a iron sphere like that?
I also like the speaker idea, as it can produce frequency and a moving magnetic field pulse.
This is extremely interesting.
Paul, has what seems to be a hollow steel sphere afloat and spinning -- perpetually -- via a stationary permanent magnet, whose magnetic field interaction with the sphere is tuned via a one-time placement of a copper sheet over the magnet. He demonstrates the effect by utilizing a steel ball bearing in a plastic half-sphere. Which is a little confusing at first.
Where to get ones hands on a hollow steel sphere? Earth globes used to be made of hollow thin steel spheres, don't know about now.
I wonder if a floating, hollow steel tube with ends caped would allow for more surface area to react with an even larger magnet beneath, allowing for more power? In other words rather than a sphere spinning, you have a roller or barrel spinning. Would a tube allow for the same rolling effect or reaction with a magnet?
Very interesting. Sorry, already said that.
j
Quote from: JamesThomas on July 04, 2007, 09:11:17 PM
This is extremely interesting.
I wonder if a floating, hollow steel tube with ends caped would allow for more surface area to react with an even larger magnet beneath, allowing for more power? In other words rather than a sphere spinning, you have a roller or barrel spinning. Would a tube allow for the same rolling effect or reaction with a magnet?
Very interesting. Sorry, already said that.
j
I think this might have some relation to this device.
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/callomag.htm
Note :
"One could build a PPM and then copy it exactly, and it would not work. You MUST see the flux pattern.
I have specifically said you must view these patterns using a box with metal filings. If you build a PPM without doing this, you are very lucky. "John T" has said that he has built the PPM, and I hope that he has done so. He has also said that he has turned a 6 volt generator with it, and I hope that he has done so."
wow!
pcockriel's claim is that it works due to magnetic viscosity. The outer ball is plastic not iron. I don't think the ball will spin if the magnetic field is constant, but maybe the floating ball provides a destablizing force.
(attached is a diagram of my interpretation, plastic ball is hollow)
pcockriel,
You said you signed up here at overunity.com on the youtube page,
So, when you get the chance to answer this, please do....
How long have you let this 'motor' run for consecutively?
thanks...
bitRAKE:
QuoteThe outer ball is plastic not iron.
Your interpretation was what I walked away with at first too. However, the large spinning ball looks to be metal if you pause the frames of the video. Also the ball bearing in a plastic semi-sphere seemed to be for demonstration purposes only to show the tendency for the bearing to want to roll due to magnetic attraction directed towards its edge. If this is the case, wouldn't a large floating hollow sphere show the same tendency for rolling without the need of any internal ball bearing?
I'm asking because I changed my interpretation from yours to this one, without being completely certain as to which is correct. Paul is not real clear in the video and written instructions.
j
Quote from: JamesThomas on July 05, 2007, 01:14:27 AM
bitRAKE:
QuoteThe outer ball is plastic not iron.
Your interpretation was what I walked away with at first too. However, the large spinning ball looks to be metal if you pause the frames of the video. Also the ball bearing in a plastic semi-sphere seemed to be for demonstration purposes only to show the tendency for the bearing to want to roll due to magnetic attraction directed towards its edge. If this is the case, wouldn't a large floating hollow sphere show the same tendency for rolling without the need of any internal ball bearing?
I'm asking because I changed my interpretation from yours to this one, without being completely certain as to which is correct. Paul is not real clear in the video and written instructions.
j
I was wondering this too. Seems like a larger hollow metal ball would work better, giving more spin, and more boyancy due to more airspace inside.
It would defeat the purpose of his small demo in the video http://youtube.com/watch?v=EeEhKH47Vdo if the sphere was a metal that could be attracted to magnets.
The whole premise of this device is rather interesting:
-When the copper plate is placed under the sphere (half covering the magnet under it), the steel ball attempts to move toward the area not covered by the copper plate.
-This initial movement by the steel ball causes the sphere to rotate as the steel ball it self rotates to try to get to the area not covered by the copper plate.
-So, now, the steel ball does one of two things: It stays in a position just off center in the sphere and closest to the magnet's area and it continues to spin in place, thereby spinning the sphere, OR, the steel ball initially moves toward the area no covered by the copper plate, which causes the sphere to spin, then the steel ball rolls backwards toward the other side of the sphere DUE to gravity, sort of an oscillation setup between the magnet's attraction, the sphere/water's movement, and gravity.
You would think that if the sphere "stays in a position just off center in the sphere and closest to the magnet's area and it continues to spin in place, thereby spinning the sphere" that it should perhaps slow down and this would become a sticky spot. Does the fact that the sphere and magnet are moving already, does this KEEP them both moving? Is it able to keep moving due to the practically no torque on the sphere from the water?
If it is the second option for the steel ball, where it kind of rolls backwards, and then back towards the magnet, and keeps oscillating, how does it keep oscillating? Is the fact that gravity, magnetism, and the sphere's relationship to the water make for a situations similar to Milkovic's two-stage oscillator? (It's a stretch I know)
Just attempting to find the exact 'mechanism for OU', which is what EVERYONE should do when encountering or inventing OU devices..........For, once this mechanism is isolated, it is ALWAYS possible to use this feature to make more powerful devices.
Quote from: Freezer on July 04, 2007, 10:15:34 PM
Quote from: JamesThomas on July 04, 2007, 09:11:17 PM
This is extremely interesting.
I wonder if a floating, hollow steel tube with ends caped would allow for more surface area to react with an even larger magnet beneath, allowing for more power? In other words rather than a sphere spinning, you have a roller or barrel spinning. Would a tube allow for the same rolling effect or reaction with a magnet?
Very interesting. Sorry, already said that.
j
I think this might have some relation to this device.
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/callomag.htm
I think you are dead on!
1. The copper is used as a shield.
2. The Ball magnet is diametric, as I recall all are. To use a rod type magnet in a tube I believe it also would need to be Diametric.
3. Some form of alignment and traction surface on the roller magnets would be helpful.
4. The sphere in flotation is a shock absorber, the same could be achieved with a shaft and a slotted mounting for the shaft with springs or magnetic bearings. (Note there could be a need for +/- from 90deg/verticle)
5. Pcockriel demonstrated the concept using a plastic cup, I doubt that the tube/sphere is limited to metals.
As always your mileage may vary.
Tinker
Great job! pcockriel
Note :
"One could build a PPM and then copy it exactly, and it would not work. You MUST see the flux pattern.
I have specifically said you must view these patterns using a box with metal filings. If you build a PPM without doing this, you are very lucky. "John T" has said that he has built the PPM, and I hope that he has done so. He has also said that he has turned a 6 volt generator with it, and I hope that he has done so."
guys just replicate this experiment and post results asap! this is really exiting! :o ;D :D :)
Harti,
attached is an AVI file.
Please look at: http://www.smallvideosoft.com/ (http://www.smallvideosoft.com/)
and download their freeware converter:
Freez Flv to AVI/MPEG/WMV Converter version v1.5
Enjoy, Earl
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 04, 2007, 07:17:52 PM
Hi All,
here is enclosed a video in Flash format
( you need to use www.videolan.org orMediaplayer classic to view it)
Ok the diagram you have here is very close, just loose the ball in the middle, and remember there is only
one ball, also the link to the guy who has the pipe that spins like a cage, that was one of my earlier ideas
but I failed at it, I hope he really did pull it off.
(The fields balanced out when I try it),
I never went to college or took any classes on this, The gangs were to bad as I grew up so I tought myself , well anyway I have gave away another Idea that may be easier for everyone, Its so simple a kid could build it, it has two floats in a tube with a weight in the middle,
the weight floats up the tube , the top becomes top heavy and flips over and it repeats forever!!!!!
This is no joke I posted a demo youtube.com/pcockriel also im working on the elemental rod right now
and I got the bulb to light up before the bulb blew out, I posted it as well,Its like I have a brain tumer
The Ideas Just keep coming lol.
Paul:
You're awesome! (awesomely simple!).
I'm going to build your floating/spinning ball.
Keep up the good work!
Regards
chricC
Quote from: pcockriel on July 05, 2007, 01:34:23 PM
Ok the diagram you have here is very close, just loose the ball in the middle, and remember there is only
one ball, also the link to the guy who has the pipe that spins like a cage, that was one of my earlier ideas
but I failed at it, I hope he really did pull it off.
Hey man, thanks for everything.
I was wondering, how long have you let this 'motor' run for?
Pcockriel:
QuoteOk the diagram you have here is very close, just loose the ball in the middle, and remember there is only
one ball,
OK then, it's a hollow metal ball, no inner secondary ball bearing needed. They sell, old metal world-globes on eBay. A small 4" or so would probably be a good place to start.
Thanks, Pcockreil, for the reply and clarification. I must say though that your way of expressing yourself seems a little cryptic....at least for me.
j
Any type of metal that is attracted to a magnet, Get That Ball ! it must be hollow. I have sent my motor out of the Usa but I will explain it. The wieght must be Just right. compared to how strong the magnet is.
you can measure the strength by a plastic scale, just place metal under the plastic scale, or just by trial and error. dont get a 1/4 magnet and expect to spin a 10 pound ball that wont float. if you watch videos on youtube on lens law you will find that a magnet travels slow down a hill on copper. this is the only material I can get to work, you may find others but I used copper. I tried lead and all sorts, then discovered lens law, so its worth looking at. the copper thickness plays a big part as well. its a perfect balance between the thickness of the copper and the wieght of the ball float and force of the magnetic
attraction. look I have posted more easier Ideas for the ones intrested. also I will post the type of magnet
the weight and thickness in the future. but I had to post it to let everyone see the path I took to get to this point, thats why I posted the magnet wood frame motor as well, so people could build it and get a better understanding of magnets wieght and thickness all my studys are not in school dorms,
I sit around and practice backyard science (every single day). so im just a person with a drive. I have helped major companys save millions of dollars and never got credit, the managers took the credit.I Had to get my but back to work, Hope this helps I will stop by again in a about a week. Im almost completed with the element rods seen on google, that guy drives me up a wall, but I think I got it I got a bulb to light up for about 20 sec and the bulb blew. well glad to see thier are others like me see ya.
cryptic is having something to hide or ambiguous meaning ( then why am I going Public)
Hmm I have to face critics as well...lol
Hollow metal spheres are more difficult to obtain. I wonder if there is an cheaper way to maybe coat the inside of a hollow ball with iron filings - like a pingpong ball. Definately worth a try.
Bronze should work as well. I'm going to try mineral oil for the liquid.
Hello pcockriel,
Thanks for the infos on the spinning balls.
Will you give us an idea on how you elemental rods are working? OR what is in the rod?
Thanks Joe
Quote from: pcockriel on July 05, 2007, 02:15:14 PM
cryptic is having something to hide or ambiguous meaning ( then why am I going Public)
Hmm I have to face critics as well...lol
I did not mean you were hiding anything, Paul. My apologies. I simply meant it was a little puzzling for me, somewhat difficult to understand even though what you were attempting to share was simple. Probably my problem more than yours.
j
Quote from: bitRAKE on July 05, 2007, 02:28:15 PM
Hollow metal spheres are more difficult to obtain. I wonder if there is an cheaper way to maybe coat the inside of a hollow ball with iron filings - like a pingpong ball. Definately worth a try.
Bronze should work as well. I'm going to try mineral oil for the liquid.
You may be on to something here. Plastic can be electroplated with metals: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/eng99/eng99348.htm (http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/eng99/eng99348.htm)
j
Quote from: pcockriel on July 05, 2007, 01:34:23 PM
also im working on the elemental rod right now
and I got the bulb to light up before the bulb blew out, I posted it as well,Its like I have a brain tumer
The Ideas Just keep coming lol.
Wow, you mean that works!!!??? I've been interested in that video, but thought it was too good to be true. What I got from that video was two rods parallel to each other, 1cm in diameter, 10cm height. One rod being "Tantalum" (Ta)(73), and "Tungsten"(W)(74). I did a quick search and Tantalum is generally used for electrolytic capacitors. Tungsten being used for filaments. It seems like he just has the two rods connected to two leads, is this correct?
Edit: Noticed in the video he says it takes a third element to give one a different polarity or something like that. So we need the third undisclosed metal to make it work. Other than that it simply looks like a board, two rods, two connectors, and how ever the 3rd element is connected maybe to both or one of the other elements.
Videos he's refering too -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978&q=elemental+rods&total=50&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4298347669641896403
Quote from: pcockriel on July 05, 2007, 01:34:23 PM
I have gave away another Idea that may be easier for everyone, Its so simple a kid could build it, it has two floats in a tube with a weight in the middle,
the weight floats up the tube , the top becomes top heavy and flips over and it repeats forever!!!!!
This is no joke I posted a demo youtube.com/pcockriel
This little idea of yours, Pcockriel, may be worth it's own thread: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DJbgFDLj9Mk (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DJbgFDLj9Mk)
As far as the solar-powered Stirling-engine idea video you have posted on youtube, you may want to check this out: http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Stirling_Energy_Systems (http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Stirling_Energy_Systems)
I have great respect for backyard scientists like yourself, Paul.
j
why copper? if all we want is to make a magnetic field indifference between a magnet than why not use other materials?
also which is right?
a hollow sphere plastic ball floating in liquid with an iron ball inside.
or is the whole hollow sphere by itself floating in liquid?
why not use a cylinder type of float for this while you're at it? ;) ---update
:)
peace
Wow sad news guys the spinnig ball has balanced out and stopped we are running into a problem the iron has turned into a magnet and now repels and balanced out. sad sad news
Whoever posted the idea on plasic ball (great Job!!) We are looking into it now
Can I upload Video On overunity?
working on the elemntal rod.
I slowed down the volts to .002 with wire wraped around strong magnets and placed in a copper tube
the light stays on, and somehow the power in the battery is
not changing. I think he used a very small battery and slowed the voltage down and the light stays on with less volts ,watch his video again and if you look very very close you will see that the rods are copper,
and I can tell this because I do Plumbing and the cap matches a 1/2 inch copper cap thats not sold anymore with that little point on the cap the new caps are flat on top,also I have 16years background as a
plumber , anyway with a 14.5 volt dc battery the meter read 13.91 and after placed
in the tube dropped to .002 volts. I couldnt believe it. but I figured out what he done ( i think) and I have to set it up so there are no loose connections and see how long it will run, if it runs over two days I will post the results..
Can We Upload video on this site? I dont want to post it on youtube and explain it again
Quote from: pcockriel on July 06, 2007, 08:03:11 AM
Can I upload Video On overunity?
Hi,
Yes you can. By clicking on the REPLY button a POST REPLY window appears and under the main Text window you can see
Attach: in bold and by clicking on Brewsing in that same line before (more attachments), you will have access to your own hard drive folders/files. When selected and also finished the text, click on Post.
Gyula
Hi Paul,
here is how you upload a file.
You can always stretch a window by pulling on it with the mouse.
Pull somewhere on an edge or in the corner if you want the window bigger.
Regards, Earl
Hi Paul,
try to make the video as compact as possible. Don't waste time, show things quickly.
Music not so important as talking and explaining. Make as short as possible. Try to keep down to 5 or 10 MB, since I don't know if overunity.com would have a problem with a big 50 or 100 MB file.
Be efficient when filming.
Have fun with your experiments.
Regards, Earl
Quote from: pcockriel on July 06, 2007, 05:24:05 AM
Wow sad news guys the spinning ball has balanced out and stopped we are running into a problem the iron has turned into a magnet and now repels and balances out. sad sad news
Dang, I was just thinking about it doing that yesterday.
But how long did it spin before becoming magnetised?
I think you can use a dc electromagnet to demagnetise the ball.
Maybe need a ferrite hollow ball?
pcokriel, please let us know how long the ball spun before it stopped ? This question's been asked at least 3 times now! :)
A few points to maybe note :
a) The sphere does not have to be magnetic material. Think about a plastic ball with blades sticking out of it that can be attracted by the half-hidden magnet underneath.
b) To avoid the situation of the ball (or as noted above: blades) becoming magnetized, we maybe need to use a material that is paramagnetic (ie: weakly attracted toward a magnet and which does not become magnetized)
oops sorry guys, It spun for 2 days 7 hours 2 min to be exact
and the plasic ball Idea Was a great Idea but Will Have the same effect
demaget is another great Idea
Re: Magnet motor by pcockriel
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pcokriel, please let us know how long the ball spun before it stopped ? This question's been asked at least 3 times now!
A few points to maybe note :
a) The sphere does not have to be magnetic material. Think about a plastic ball with blades sticking out of it t
WOW I Almost Fell Over GREAT IDEA!
Man I Really Wanted the elemetal rods to work, but my attempt failed, Im giving up on the idea, whoever wants to try it your welcome to but my attempt im calling a failer
Quote from: pcockriel on July 06, 2007, 09:20:35 PM
oops sorry guys, It spun for 2 days 7 hours 2 min to be exact
Incredible!Input = You sliding a copper sheet under a cup.
Output = A ball moves for 2 days, 7 hours, and 2 mins AGAINST the friction of the water and other small loses.
Hrmm, I'd say that definitely seems like COP > 1...Did you take another one of those steel balls and start up your 'motor' again?
It should start fine again right?, Since you replaced the 'now magnetized' steel ball that caused your 'motor' to stop?
PCOCKRIEL,
please try to hit your iron sphere a few times with a hammer,
not so hard, that you would make bumps into the surface,
but maybe this hard, that it looses its magnetic property again...
Then it shouldwork again.
Also you could look for a better soft iron material, that
will not get a remanenz magnetism after a while...
Looking forward for a few replications.
Many thanks.
P.S:I think this is a much better magnet motor than the
lame Minato-style Steorn ORBO device
(which is so unstable that light-heat can "destroy" ???? the bearings...????....)
Regards, Stefan.
I uploaded my attempts at the elemental rods
youtube.com/pcockriel
I heard steorn was suspended forever is this true?
Im not working on the magnet motor its out of town but emails I recieved Im Just sending back and forth
because of work and other things I dont have as much time, but it is being worked on!
money slows us down a bit, so replace the ball is not an option for us, but we will keep an update posted
Good news as well new videos will be coming on the magnet motor with the stand replaced by a magnet
and on an open garage floor as to see nothing else in the video
Quote from: pcockriel on July 07, 2007, 12:09:22 AM
Good news as well new videos will be coming on the magnet motor with the stand replaced by a magnet
and on an open garage floor as to see nothing else in the video
Sounds good man...
Hi PCOCKRIEL,
good work !
By the way,
what are you exactly doing here ?
I looked at it now 3 times but I don?t understand,
what you stick into the copper tube ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd4BtqeEEww
Please advice.
Many thanks.
well you better see this for yourself???
My Video has been pulled from youtube
youtube.com/pcockriel
now this has pi%$^ Me OFF , My video was pulled from youtube
oops sorry it was not pulled I had it on another page sorry about that
@pcockriel,
Wow...looks very interesting.
Do you agree that your setup is as follows:
Setup:
A stack of cylindrical neodymium magnets
A coil of copper wire wrap around this (15 turns).
The coil is in series with a bulb and battery.
The voltage drop across the bulb is about 13.7V at the start.
You then introduce a 22mm(3/4") copper tube over the coil and magnet stack and the voltage drop across the bulb falls to 0.002V
Unknown information:
coating on the inside of the copper tube.
Current flowing into the bulb.
Whether there is an AC component in the circuit.
The only way that I can see you could light the bulb with 0.002V is to apply an AC signal with the meter set on DC.
Can you put the meter onto AC so we can see the AC component.
You could argue that you have a push-pull circuit that is rectified at the start and then un-rectified (pure sine wave) after you introduce the tube.
Please take some picture to post here.
Will you let us replicate it (just need the composition of that coating) ?
Regards
Rob
Hmm,
strange, they really deleted his whole account !
No more videos to see there on youtube from:
http://www.youtube.com/user/pcockriel
What the heck is going on there ?
@mramos
Hmmm, you're right, I was looking at the set of videos just this morning (about 5 hours ago about 10:00 GMT+1 on 7th July 2007) and now it shows his account as closed.
http://youtube.com/pcockriel
Looks like he removed all the videos or its those pesky MIBs again.
If you search on youtube for "pcockriel" you can find the thumbnails for the videos, but they have been removed.
Maybe pcockriel can shine some light on this whole thing.
Regards
Rob
Yes, user pcockriel,
please come forward and let us know, if youtube put out some kind
of warning or something to you ?
Maybe you used a copyrighted song in your audio of the videos ?
Maybe youtube is now going versus copyright infringement,
if users are using popular songs in their background audio ?
Has somebody stored his video about the copper tube with the
wires around magnets ? and can post it here ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 07, 2007, 09:15:24 AM
Hmm,
strange, they really deleted his whole account !
No more videos to see there on youtube from:
http://www.youtube.com/user/pcockriel
What the heck is going on there ?
Hi Stefan,
If you make a Search for " pcockriel " inside youtube, you can get the following results:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pcockriel&search=Search
So all his video uploads are listed but clicking on any video the new window appears with This video has been removed by the user.
So it must have been Mr pcockriel who removed all his videos.
Gyula
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 07, 2007, 09:31:05 AM
Yes, user pcockriel,
please come forward and let us know, if youtube put out some kind
of warning or something to you ?
Maybe you used a copyrighted song in your audio of the videos ?
Maybe youtube is now going versus copyright infringement,
if users are using popular songs in their background audio ?
Has somebody stored his video about the copper tube with the
wires around magnets ? and can post it here ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
There's millions of videos with copyrighted songs, so they will have to delete half their data base :D I always thought they can't sue if you're not making money off it.
Kinda of weird that this guy suddenly up and vanishes..
Quote from: Freezer on July 05, 2007, 01:42:38 AMI was wondering this too. Seems like a larger hollow metal ball would work better, giving more spin, and more boyancy due to more airspace inside.
Thinking of this again: might be the magnetic field spread over the larger space that is needed for operation. Field effect on a spinning bouncing hollow metal sphere is difficult to imagine! (still looking for parts in the heap - only a handball and broken ferromagnetic material)
I hope all is well with pcockriel.
just a question, wouldn't after time the magnet induce eddie currents into the ball causing it to stop movement? I am impressed with the video and the simple concept to make it work. I am looking for a metal ball to try this, just haven't had success yet.
wow im having trouble even staying on line as well, I cant get into my acount I thought i had a virus but as I read you all are having same problem ( Hmm They shut me down on youtube? no warning nothing
Test this is a test as i cant post or try to post a ccomment
ok well all my work uploading is gone, and as i read you already know I got booted without explanation from youtube, I need another name emailed to me so incase this site kicks me off to, this morning . ok im really tired now ill be back , try to fix my acount with youtube
Quote from: pcockriel on July 07, 2007, 02:49:10 PM
ok well all my work uploading is gone, and as i read you already know I got booted without explanation from youtube, I need another name emailed to me so incase this site kicks me off to, this morning . ok im really tired now ill be back , try to fix my acount with youtube
what you can do is register to www.revver.com, make sure your video dont have music, and you will make money with your video instead of using youtube!
they are more professional but they check all video that mean you cannot use music or copyrighted stuffs
Hi Paul,
What about posting here at overunity.com? It seems you can post and also you surely can figure out how to upload video files here. Stefan surely helps you too.
You could read some instructions on file upload in the previous page of this thread.
Regards
Gyula
aw man.. whats up with youtube? I didnt even get to see the rod attempt one. pcrockriel.. Can you not upload them to this site? attach them when u reply? *I beleive overunity.com will not be deleting you. lol
You can also just zip up the clips, and upload them to like rapidshare or megaupload,or any other free file hosting sites.
In regards the ball which spun for 55 hours and then became too magnetic. This may seem an insurmountable problem on a toy scale, but on a large scale enough energy may be produced to allow for some type of demagnetising circuitry which operates at short intervals. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the water just yet. And too there may be other ways around this as has been briefly mentioned. I enjoy the simplicity behind this design, and may gather the needed experimental supplies myself after watching this thread a little longer to see what ideas come of it.
Pcockriel, once you get your video problems worked out, how about starting a thread in the "gravity wheel" section of this forum, and sharing with us more construction details of your tiny glass tube motor. I, for one would appreciate that.
j
Sorry, that would be the "Gravity powered devises" section; there is no "gravity Wheel" section. There is no "Beer powered" section either, as there should be.
Should probably get Stefan working on that.
j
Hi,
Paul's device is not a gravity powered device. If anything it is a magnetically shielded device.
In fact, it looks simple, but its action may be more complicated with eddy currents being induced both in the steel and in the copper. A turning ball or cylinder would have eddy currents induced in it due to relative motion to the magnet. These moving eddy currents can cause induction in the stationary copper because there is relative motion between the sphere/cylinder and the copper. Between the magnet and copper there is no induction.
In a way this is like a ping-pong machiine. The turning-iron/magnet is the ping and the turning-iron/copper is the pong.
It is probably a lot more complicated to get running than it appears.
It sure is cool though.
Maybe YouTube has been forced from music industry pressure to remove all videos with music in them?
Regards, Earl
Quote from: JamesThomas on July 07, 2007, 04:11:06 PM
Sorry, that would be the "Gravity powered devises" section; there is no "gravity Wheel" section.
Earl,
The last paragraph of mine was in reference to another device that Paul had a video of, other than the floating ball. He mentions it on page 2 of this thread when he says:
QuoteI have gave away another Idea that may be easier for everyone, Its so simple a kid could build it, it has two floats in a tube with a weight in the middle,
the weight floats up the tube , the top becomes top heavy and flips over and it repeats forever!!!!!
This is a gravity devise. Sorry, I should have been more clear as to what I was referring to.
j
Hi Paul,
Another site you can use is Photobucket for your images and videos.
Videos are converted to FLV during the upload process.
They sometimes run slow and stop but never had anything deleted.
I have used them for over a year now:
Video example:
http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/?action=view¤t=pulse_test_1.flv (http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/?action=view¤t=pulse_test_1.flv)
My whole album of overunity related stuff/research:
http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs (http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs)
Try a few different places.
Can you post a few pictures too as I am keen to see more about this coil/magnet stack and copper tube.
Regards
Rob
Here are still a few older video of pcockriel:
http://z8d.no-ip.info/pcockriel/
Unfortunately not the one with the wire around magnets
and sticking it into the copper tube.
If somebody has stored this, please upload it again over here...
Too bad youtube.com has deleted his account...
So always download videos to your harddrive
e.g.with:
http://videodownloader.net/
Regards, Stefan.
wow I have a lot of questions to answer.
well The spinning ball as most have posted the eddy currents cause it to fail,
so if only a ball was cheap enough.
They stopped my videos only after I posted a video on how to tap the earths energy
hope this dont get deleted..lol
but I was watching a science video on the world famous lemon (get 1 volt from a lemon)
and for a while now I have been wanting to try this Idea of testing outside materials
for energy, anyway while watching the lemon video I was thinking what if I can tap one volt from a tree root and jump them in a series untill I could get up 12 volts
and with this power then spin my other magnet motor and when I tested the tree
It worked!! I got almost one volt from the root so I moved to another root
and to my amazement it up the voltage, there are a lot of ways to get more amps
so now we will build it and post the results, so far I have tested the roots this morning and this is a power God supplys we cant run out not even at night!
the goal is to run a 12 volt motor to spin a small bicycle generator I prefer the dyno hub hard to find but works very well it will generate both directions
Interesting idea about using live tree roots as a powersource. Seems like that could work, and trees are all around us. I wonder if that could have a effect on the tree. Im gonna test some plants and other living shrubs as well.
I tested the tree idea and got about 1.55 volts from about 4 pieces of copper and 4 nails. I ran out of copper so I have to get some more and will try and get 12 volts or something useful. I just stuck the copper into the side of the trunk of the tree. I also tried copper pennies but the voltage was way lower.
It is really easing to download all videos with Firefox.
Just go to:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006
and add this extension into firefox.
Then you can download all videos that you see and they will be on your hard disk in FLV format.
Once on your hard disk you can convert to other formats. Go to:
http://www.smallvideosoft.com/
and download it:
http://www.smallvideosoft.com/download.php
more info:
http://www.smallvideosoft.com/flv-to-avi
P.S. the Google videos are better quality than Youtube.
Enjoy!
Regards, Earl
Magnets + Coil + Copper Tube ??
Hi Paul,
can you tell me more about this experiment ?
Regards, Earl
Guys, with the nails in the trees you will kill the trees. You get voltage, but no current. There are the saltwater batteries even better. Let us just concentrate on Pcockriel?s magnet motor and his new experiment with the wire around magnet sticked into a copper pipe.
Thanks.
@Pcockriel,
Stefan is right, forget knocking nails in trees, you need to focus on your magnet stack idea and copper pipe and the ball in a cup.
Tell us more about these two set-ups.
Regards
Rob
Furthermore, copper nails in trees will definitely kill them. When you want to get rid of a tree stump, you drill holes in the stump and then pour copper sulfate in the holes. It will rot the stump.
Tim
Don't worry I gave up on that as it probably does have adverse effects. I also tried a fruit and got a volt. I then used only water and got similar results. I then used those plastic containers used to store small items like fishing lures and put in series and parallel the same setup. I got about 3 volts. Still not enough amps but it does barely light a led. Just a fun project. Don't worry, no other living plants were hurt in the experiment :D I adore nature too.
i was wondering if I will get a lot of volt if put nail on my rats ? :)
Quote from: TheOne on July 09, 2007, 02:08:55 PM
i was wondering if I will get a lot of volt if put nail on my rats ? :)
You mean the animal kind of "rat" ? Actually I'm sure that would work. I got copper and a nail, and put my fingers between it and it gave off 1/2 a volt :P I think any bio type material will work.
Hi Pcockriel,
I'm just wondering where you got that metal ball from that you used in your experiments? I remember seeing one like it somewhere before but I'm not sure. The best thing I can think of are the old floaty balls used in old toilets.
God Bless,
Jason O
I wonder if it's possible to get a patent by running a computer off of rats.
"What kinda hardware you got in that computer?" :-\
"Oh, just rats." :D
"WHAT?" :o ???
Why stop there ?
In The Matrix human bodies are used as batteries, so let's have convicts do battery-duty once a week, or depending on their crime. ;D
Okay, back on topic now...
sorry
Hmmm.....interesting idea about the usage of animals for batteries but if it kills the trees/plants, well i don't think it would be much different-you might have a good battery for a little while but i think you could get just as much if you stuck that rat in a wheel.
aparodox
There are alot of stray animals that die needlessly though, maby you could use it as a new way of execution, instead of the needle the'll get the anode ::)
I wonder how painful it would be ???
Would you like to take the animals place and try it for all of us?
sugra
Lets forget about the animal stuff and get back to pcockriels experiments. Peace! ;)
;D
I skipped some of this so if this has already been talked about , sorry
But the last I read about the metal ball ran for 2 days then it magnetized
and lost its ability to continue to run.
So how about mixing up some Epoxy resin and FE304 Magnetite then coating or dip a plastic ball fully coving the ball with the mixture . It could solve some of this problem.
Just a thought.
IronHead
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 07, 2007, 07:28:55 PM
Here are still a few older video of pcockriel:
http://z8d.no-ip.info/pcockriel/
Unfortunately not the one with the wire around magnets
and sticking it into the copper tube.
If somebody has stored this, please upload it again over here...
Too bad youtube.com has deleted his account...
So always download videos to your harddrive
e.g.with:
http://videodownloader.net/
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan
Seems this fellow has vanished and really to bad. But anyhow if anyone saw this could they draw a simple pic of what they saw. This weekend will try to find a steel ball and try the first test.
Wayne
The following input may be useful to pcockriel and all who want to repeat and improve his experiments.
Refer to the following:
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/Wang3a.files/frame.htm
The Wang Shum Ho 5 KW Electricity Generator uses two rotating systems to achieve Over Unity energy. His device does not use any power input, thus the COP is effectively infinite.
I want to focus on the ferro-liquid rotational system. Wang used a mixture of metallic powders in the liquid. One purpose is prevent the powders forming a lump. Another purpose is for the ferro-liquid to remix on spinning.
Wang is now Vice President of a RMB13 billion Company. It would be unfair to disclose the "intellectual property" of this Company.
However, the theory behind the ferro-liquid cannot be patented and should benefit all OU developers and the Whole World. Ferro-Liquid in the sphere might be used to replace the iron ball.
Lawrence Tseung
Theory of the Ferro-liquid Leads Out solution for pcockriel et al
Quote from: magpower on July 13, 2007, 04:00:48 PM
Seems this fellow has vanished and really to bad. But anyhow if anyone saw this could they draw a simple pic of what they saw. This weekend will try to find a steel ball and try the first test.
Wayne
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg243.imageshack.us%2Fimg243%2F4557%2Fballis5.jpg&hash=06382cdbf26c198a5e1a0f50b6c668bb264d9447)
Ferro Fluid , oh I have to try that with a clear ball .
IH... that should be pretty wild. I saw the video you posted I think it was from a couple of MIT guys playing with some. That's pretty freaky stuff! Either that or I had a flashback from a previous Rorschach test...
Dan
Regarding the Video Youtube buried. Make a torrent file and store it on the server, Original poster will need to keep it active for 4 weeks or so..Members will need to keep a version of Bit torrent loaded to seed, that should save Overunity the bandwidth problems of high quality video....Frankly Unless you play games online Bit torrent does not use much overhead and uploads are free... Try to be a little bit like a community. Pirate bay has some good clips on Torrent and I have some coming albeit slowly, (no seeders). If anyone wants high quality this is the way to go....It also allows members to stuff youtubes police in their boot lockers since everyone can re-load the server.....
This server is not set up to accept "torrent" files so unzip and there will be a torrent///Just an experiment.
Going to try a Styrofoam ball layered in 100 mesh Magnetite and epoxy .
Ferrofuild is on order .Just messing with this till I get it.
Update: I got a metal tea ball from the loonie store and plugged all the holes. One note is was not a perfect circle but a cheap test. Using .025 thick by 4" by 10" copper plate and using neos at varying sizes I tried the test. Seemed the steel tea ball just got attracted to steel and showed no signs to rotate. This was floating in water the tea ball. Will try more and weaker magnets, thicker copper etc, no luck.
Did anyone see his last video with wire, copper, tube ? what did it look like!
:'(
wayne
To me it looks like a copper ball in the video, like this one.
the sphere need to be a non magnetic material such as plastic in my opinion
Tried that using a ping pong ball with steel bearing inside, I think we will never know and there is more to the picture!
Hey Guys,
Here is a big hint. I think what pcockriel made is essentually a permanent magnet form of a shaded pole motor like this:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mpoweruk.com%2Fimages%2Fshaded.gif&hash=d226643567c4643784c3e9910255550cfb6e1988)
http://www.mpoweruk.com/motorsac.htm
notice that the core is magnetized to one polarity and there is a
copper ring attached on one side. When the AC current changes the polarity of the core piece, the copper ring has eddy currents induced in it which oppose the magnetization in the core. So in effect one side is stronger than the other. This difference causes the rotor (which is usually a solid piece of metal) to rotate.
The only way I could see this working in a permanent magneti sense is if you use the right kind of metal for the rotor. When the rotor "ball" enters the magnetic field, it becomes magnetized the same direction as the magnet's field (if it's ferromagnetic). If you suddendly rotate the ball through the magnetic field, it takes a certain amount of time for the domains in the metal to realign themselves to the field. So for an instant in time, the ball wants to 'rotate' to realign itself with the field when you spin it. So.... If the metal ball retains it's magnetization for an instant, then it is possible that you could induce a current in the copper plate sitting on the magnet when the ball rotates. But in order for this to work right, the magnetic field from the ball would have to be changing (as viewed from the copper plate) in oder for the copper plate to produce an eddy current that could oppose it. If this happened, then you it may be possible to create a rotation like the shaded pole motor.
Just my 0.02 :)
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: TheOne on July 17, 2007, 02:07:41 PM
the sphere need to be a non magnetic material such as plastic in my opinion
Quote from: magpower on July 17, 2007, 05:34:25 PM
Tried that using a ping pong ball with steel bearing inside, I think we will never know and there is more to the picture!
In the first few pages of this thread, Paul made it pretty clear that it is a hollow metal ball that he used, no bearing inside. The steal bearing in a plastic cup which was in the video, was only for demonstration purposes. Freezer's graphic on the previous page depicts the actual mechanism well.
Did anyone else see the other video Paul Cockreil had on youtube of the small glass gravity engine filled with liquid which he describes on page 2 of this thread as:
"I have gave away another Idea that may be easier for everyone, Its so simple a kid could build it, it has two floats in a tube with a weight in the middle,
the weight floats up the tube , the top becomes top heavy and flips over and it repeats forever!!!!!
This is no joke I posted a demo youtube.com/pcockriel..."The video didn't show the tube spinning long enough to tell if it was continuous as he said it was. I was hoping he would reveal a bit more about it, but he didn't. Mysterious fellow, that one.
j
Quote from: magpower on July 17, 2007, 05:34:25 PM
Tried that using a ping pong ball with steel bearing inside, I think we will never know and there is more to the picture!
I tried that too. Different ping-pong ball sizes and steel ball bearing and different cup sizes & material. B. But no cigar! Not even close.
cheers
chrisC
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 07, 2007, 02:37:00 AM
Hi PCOCKRIEL,
good work !
By the way,
what are you exactly doing here ?
I looked at it now 3 times but I don?t understand,
what you stick into the copper tube ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd4BtqeEEww
Please advice.
Many thanks.
Question: was this a battery driven device and can please describe what you saw. I never saw this video and I think you were the only one.
Thanks
wayne
Quote from: chrisC on July 17, 2007, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: magpower on July 17, 2007, 05:34:25 PM
Tried that using a ping pong ball with steel bearing inside, I think we will never know and there is more to the picture!
I tried that too. Different ping-pong ball sizes and steel ball bearing and different cup sizes & material. B. But no cigar! Not even close.
cheers
chrisC
After going over video many times with ball in water I really believe its not really true. If you hear the video in the background one can hear high voltage buzz and the stand with beaker looks odd, and high voltage post. Unless he explains it I don't agree with video
Regards
wayne
As usual it the same story over and over again from some guy here that reports OU and then there
is silence when we ask for technical details to replicate his findings. I'm so fed up with these f--king scam suckers.....
OU without any solid proof is just to good to be true, and so far OU has never been true when tested for real.
By the way, I heard the background sound as well. His device was clearly a fake setup.
Guys like pcockriel comes here periodically. I?m not new here but not too old also; in almost one year I?ve seen enough such cases; I?d be grateful if a senior member can comment on it. And I don?t know why this is happening. I?ve suspected for a short while that it is mainly done to keep the ?free energy? spirit alive but I was wrong ? sorry for my dirty thought. Anyway, Otto (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.810.html) said that there are three categories of ppl. Members that I have great respect for agreed with Otto. One category, besides the real builders (?workers?) and the ?theorists?, is that of ?PC heroes?, criticizing most of the time. Well, count me into the ?PC heroes? category if you like and nail me down, although I always stood up strictly based on my own experiments. However, my point here is that there are some other categories of members as well. Namely, those ?flamers? who come and go. They are the real danger to common sense and good will ppl and, imho, they have to be identified and kicked out asap. Pcockriel is a good example. His motor (ball) starts to accelerate in a clearly faked manner; the sound in the background is similar to that of a mechanically-switching device or to that of a driven but loose coil; the ball stops also very quickly once the hidden motor mechanism is shut-off and the list may go on and on. When such a flamer hits, sooner or later a relatively new member, (like me a while ago or, more recently, like Ergo, for instance, in TPU thread ? no offense Ergo, it is just an example chosen because I?ve seen that your post in that thread really bothered several members. On that post I agree with the old members; on the above post I agree with you), comes and express his doubts. Most will hate the criticizing / the skeptic / one but is it really and entirely fair? Is it really beneficial to us, to the community? I don?t think so.
A little bit more on the above: there are ?intelligent flamers? and ?na?ve ones?. The na?ves I?ve seen among those re-discovering the wheel and they just need to be helped. (I was also over-excited on to several experiments and only checking everything again and again was sparing me of becoming a na?ve flamer.) They are excusable.
But the ?intelligent flamers? are a completely different story. I really do not have enough time and information to say what?s behind them. Maybe they just want to see their names on tops of something or maybe to help selling some magnets, videos or whatever they have to sell. Some may just have fun of us; sadly, they succeed for a while? More sadly, the true and real f.e. path the rest of us are searching becomes shadowed by ordinary lies and by failed experiments. It?s interesting that such flamers keep appearing periodically. Is it a pure coincidence that once one is exposed another one will soon take its place? Let?s count how many such flamers are still active right now and how much time will pass to the next pcockriel?
Enough I said. Time to shoot me now. Before doing it, I just hope that we, as a group, are smart enough to avoid being manipulated. I really think that the winning idea is already here and that the ?flamers? are just trying to keep us distracted from it.
Have a nice day everyone,
Tinu
Well spoken.
I do agree and I will continue to flame those who present inferior material and doubtful test results.
If I knew how to get OU I would present it in detail right now.
The world deserves to be saved from oil dependence and personal profit shouldn't matter.
For now I'll be sticking with the "The Drinking Bird", at least I know it works.
Just have to scale it up and do some improvements to it :)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2421.0.html
@IronHead,
How are your balls?
j
My da-gone balls aint worken !
A sad sad thing. There is just no excitement for my balls today or back then.
IronBalls I mean Head umm hmm you know what I meant.
WHAT HAPPENED TO PCOCKRIEL POSTS???? VIDEOS????
THANKS
If I am right about this PCockriel uses a thin iron sphere?
In that case using a tin can could do the job as well (tinned iron, not aluminum)
Otherwise, in case of plastic, a plastic bottle will do the job as well.
Plastic bottles with rims in the middle will even guide the steel ball.