I hope I am wrong about this and that everything I say below is untrue :
It seems that Steorn are in a lot of trouble right now. Reports say the device they made for the museum demo was working fine for days and as soon as they put it in the perspex demo cabinet it inexplicably stopped and they still cannot figure out why after 2 days of head scratching.
Putting on my tin foil hat I will say the reason for this is obvious. Various entities are directing some sort of energetic beam weapon to disrupt the workings of their device.
Steorn, if they really were legit, were a bunch of naive fools if they thought they could do a public free energy demo and have the energy/oil industrial complex take it lying down.
Even if the device they have is legit from here on their entire reputation will be destroyed and they will never be able to bring their technology to market.
This is a lesson for all those who have a working free energy device, you are deluding yourself if you think you can go after funding and still have the technology released into the market. The ONLY way that free energy technology will become widespread is for someone to build simple step by step plans that are easily replicable and seed them onto the internet.
Any other way is doomed to failure.
Having said all that I really do hope that when I wake up tomorrow the Orbo demo is full steam ahead and the idea of real free energy is spreading across the world media.
It seems obvious they would have had the device running for some time beforehand - several even. Mysterious that problems coincide with public display and not corporate display.
I've worked on projects (designed to) consistently malfunction due to non-stop changes, but it's difficult for me to apply those experiences to Orbo - which should not need changes based on Steorn's claims. Maybe, Steorn doesn't know how it works when it does work!? That is an engineering nightmare when your creating variations on a design.
<copper foil hat>
I've often thought this type of technology has been well known by a small group of reptiles.
Maybe, HAARP is focused on them.
</copper foil hat>
you are probably right about some kind of sabotage but why they want the plexiglass device, they should have other working device, but if an entity try to sabotage, they prob have some truck outside for this purpose or they do it from a local nearby, so maybe they need to find the MIB and call the police or something
"Ditto"
seed the internet - it's the only way to beat a trillion $ energy industry. i hope i do get to see this working but as you say they won't take this lying down. neo magnets will suddenly be scarcer than hens teeth or the materials to manf them etc etc. hydogen explosions everywhere - bans on experimentation - life imprisonment - can see it coming before we set ourselves free. oh yeah the day is coming !!!
Well there you have it. The Orbo demo has been cancelled until further notice.
I feel that this backs up my theory of external interference. Think about it, if there really was a problem with lights, heat or bearings they would have come up with a solution or replacement by now. The loss of 1 or 2 days would be okay as long as they could run for the rest of the 10 day period.
The fact they have packed up and gone home indicates they have no confidance in getting the device to work at all. Does anybody here really believe that some heat from the lights caused the device to fail? In the years they have been developing the Orbo you can be sure they tested under hot/cold/humidity environmental conditions.
The 'hot light' explanation is just a cover story so they do not look like even bigger muppets than they already are. Yoy can be sure Sean is not going to say "We just don't know why it will not work"
Why not disclose the full workings of the device the so the backyard building community can get involved? The Orbo has already been patented so they will not lose out in a commercial sense.
Maxmelli posted my thread on the Steorn forum and says that a directed beam/energy weapon of some sort would require collaboration from ARPA and the US military.
Realise that the Military and other black op technical programs are controlled by the very same industrial complex that would never like to see a free energy device gain traction.
The Steorn boys need to come up with some adequate countermeasures.
I wonder why camera 3 is set up so bad?
We cannot really see the whole device from other
perspective, so the possibility of replicating this setup is 0.
Anyone have pictures from the museum anywhere online?
I see people around it now. Maybe taking photos is forbiden?
s.
Well, if we take our analysis to deeper (possibly absurd levels) we might suggest Steorn did this as a rouse to find security leaks, and melee replicators of their device.
Hi all,
THis is getting very agravating. I am soo pissed that ORBO is not out yet. What about the scientists? did they complete thier evaluation? I just wish we could all mass together and STORM that steorn lab. take all their drawings and materials!!! Those dickheads do not deserve this blessing ??? >:(
Sincerely Sypherios
No need for a expensive energy weapon, all you need is one good military remote viewing team. ;)
The guy also said some bearings broke.. How does a bearing break? Doesn't seem like some people would go this far with a hoax. Seems more likely someone doesn't like steorn.
According to Sean, they brought 3 orbo devices with them. The two bearings on the display device broke (despite running for several hours before being placed in the display cabinet)
They then changed the two bearings with the two in the 2nd device. These both broke as well. They then changed the bearings with the two in the 3rd device, but another bearing broke. 5 out of 6.
At this point the Steorn engineers could not figure out what happened so they cancelled the demo. If they are smart enough the will stop focusing on the bearings and start focusing on countermeasures to tackle this deliberate external interference.
Or better yet stop wasting all their time and release the details on the internet.
Hi guys,
Quote from: archon79 on July 08, 2007, 01:32:39 PM
Or better yet stop wasting all their time and release the details on the internet.
Sure! But they already spent a lot of money... That is the trap.
Anyway, it is the best way...
Just one example: the Paul Pantone GEET.
In 2000, Pantone gave 'enougt details' on the internet.
After more than 6 years this Pantone's process has been tested and *improved* (G System) in France and is now used on cars, boats, tractors (and even an helicopter!), etc...Some farmers get more than 50% fuel saving. (record = comsomption divided by 4 (20 liters/hours versus 5 liters). The fishermen are more discreet...
The pollution is near zero..
Paul pantone himself thought that the 'G System' was impossible!
Some young students are experimenting this Pantone or modified Pantone process in technical schools.
http://quanthomme.free.fr (http://quanthomme.free.fr) (in French, sorry).
'They' are even talking (positively) about this Pantone 'reactor' on the mainstream media! Of course this is still 'confidential' (and - you bet it-is - agains the law!) but it is more and more famous and a seed is going to spout....
Best.
If the Steorn device need special bearings to work I believe the machine is crap.
In earlier statements from Streon they told us they had 250-400% efficiency.
If they had this kind of efficiency from the machine the bearings should not matter.
There should be plenty of excess energy.
After hearing all the evidence we have so far on what happened, I now inclined to agree that "someone" made an offer Steorn couldn't refuse! You can use your imagination as to what that "offer" was, but I tend to think that it must have been real. Their mistake was to publicize the demo BEFORE they had the demo running. Gave someone just enough time to act.
Those pesky little grey saucer dudes must have rigged the demo. Orbo was mentioned on the Zeta Talk website recently, where it was emphasized that the alien space critters won't let Earthlings have free energy devices.
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta384.htm
(scroll to the bottom of the page, then one or two screens up.)
The traditional rural-American response would be to get a bunch of unwashed, drunken, inbred Earthlings to trash the nearest Zeta Reticulan base. ;)
I am really surprised at how many people are agreeing with the original poster. Really, you guys need extra heavy duty tinfoil, because the regular stuff is clearly not working.
Think about what you are saying. If it was true, and if I was Steorn, and my demo was sabotaged, the first thing I would do is go back home and film a working device in my own lab and show that on the Internet. This is the best form of damage control and would go a long way to save face and restore the public and investors' faith in my project. Do you think this is going to happen anytime soon? Don't hold your breath.
I can think of a much more likely reason for the demo fiasco - Steorn simply does not have a working prototype, and a mechanical failure is a much better cover story than the truth.
Does anyboy here know if Steorn really invited a group of scientists to examine their machine?
Is there a public list of the people that was selected by Steorn?
Pehaps the invitation was a fraud as well just to make the apperance of a working machine very likely?
Tell me what you know or think about this!!!!!!!
Quote from: shruggedatlas on July 10, 2007, 06:16:30 PM
Think about what you are saying. If it was true, and if I was Steorn, and my demo was sabotaged, the first thing I would do is go back home and film a working device in my own lab and show that on the Internet. This is the best form of damage control and would go a long way to save face and restore the public and investors' faith in my project. Do you think this is going to happen anytime soon? Don't hold your breath.
Do you honestly think that having a failed public demo and then recording a private one for release is going to win back their reputation? The only thing that will save them now is having units for sale or easily replication by the hobbyists.
I don't need a bunch of scientists to approve of the technology or someone to accept the validty of whatever claim. I'm willing to pay for a license under the condition that it works, that is: produces free energy. How's that?
If Sean is convinced that it works, why isn't he selling licenses and designs?
If I were a shareholder that would be the first question on the next shareholder meeting: "Yo Sean, companies out there want to pay cash for our Orbo technology - provided that it works. Why are we wasting our time and money with scientists? Why aren't we selling? Sean?"
Quote from: archon79 on July 11, 2007, 07:13:42 AM
Quote from: shruggedatlas on July 10, 2007, 06:16:30 PM
Think about what you are saying. If it was true, and if I was Steorn, and my demo was sabotaged, the first thing I would do is go back home and film a working device in my own lab and show that on the Internet. This is the best form of damage control and would go a long way to save face and restore the public and investors' faith in my project. Do you think this is going to happen anytime soon? Don't hold your breath.
Do you honestly think that having a failed public demo and then recording a private one for release is going to win back their reputation? The only thing that will save them now is having units for sale or easily replication by the hobbyists.
Quote from: dimitri on July 11, 2007, 07:35:35 AM
I don't need a bunch of scientists to approve of the technology or someone to accept the validty of whatever claim. I'm willing to pay for a license under the condition that it works, that is: produces free energy. How's that?
If Sean is convinced that it works, why isn't he selling licenses and designs?
If I were a shareholder that would be the first question on the next shareholder meeting: "Yo Sean, companies out there want to pay cash for our Orbo technology - provided that it works. Why are we wasting our time and money with scientists? Why aren't we selling? Sean?"
Excellent point, Dimitri. I suppose the only argument for a demo and validation is that it will spike demand for the technology, but let's be realistic. If this is the holy grail - free energy - you do not have to be a marketing genius to sell it. It will sell itself if you simply price it below current rates for energy.
This whole thing smells rotten. It takes the jury months to figure out what is going on? I know if I was on the jury and had access to the device, it would not take me more than a day or two to confirm whether the thing is over unity. It is not like they are claiming it is 101% efficient. They make claims in the 200 to 300% range. And now the Orbo cannot move a small plastic disc on bearings? A stray sneeze from a few feet away can probably move that thing.
I think there is no jury, and the demo "mechanical failure" was pre-planned to stall for more time. Investors were probably getting antsy with no demonstrable progress in years. This reminds me of the Carl Tilley perpetual motion scam. Tilley outfitted a race car with his perpetual motion engine to demonstrate its power. As luck would have it, the car ran into "mechanical problems" after just a few laps.
Quote... A stray sneeze from a few feet away can probably move that thing.
haha. Now that is funny... and yet, so true! lol.
I have a question: steorn was talking about an effect using gravity or something like that, now the ORBO seam not related to that at all, steorn have multiple project using different method?
ORBO is 100% magnetic, the other video on youtube show mechanical effect not related to magnet at all
There is an inherent problem with selling information - spread rate is exponential even in a constrained environment. Modern society has developed a number of techniques to control information - the spreading really cannot be controlled, but the language of communication can be controlled.
Steorn wants to sell information - they do not want to create a product. Sean has said all along that their goals is to prove the value of the information they want to sell. Furthermore, Steorn only wants to sell final plans for devices with certain properties - they don't know the source of the properties and don't claim to be selling that information.
Does anyone else see the fatal flaw here? Steorn couldn't produce a device with the properties they claim to be selling plans for. Maybe they have some devices that produce strange properties, but they cannot sell plans for them because they cannot reproduce the effects. It is important to study the devices that they do have in order to understand the source of the properties, but they have an awful strange way of going about that.
Quote from: bitRAKE on July 11, 2007, 02:04:29 PM
There is an inherent problem with selling information - spread rate is exponential even in a constrained environment. Modern society has developed a number of techniques to control information - the spreading really cannot be controlled, but the language of communication can be controlled.
I disagree: I've made a reasonably good living off selling information. Mostly recycled public domain information at that. But I'm just a prop in the theater of intellectual property retail. Imagine if you could protect your information and retain sole rights to distribute it. The quintessential example might be Microsoft, who really has no product, per se. They pedal information to which they own exclusive reproduction and distribution rights. Indeed, the "Dot Com" revolution has brought us smack into the middle of this, the era of intellectual property protection rights. So as with Linux, you and I, our opensource mentality, and what we do with it will likely play a very important role on the modern stage, but history tells us we will probably remain at the fringe.
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Steorn wants to sell information - they do not want to create a product. Sean has said all along that their goals is to prove the value of the information they want to sell. Furthermore, Steorn only wants to sell final plans for devices with certain properties - they don't know the source of the properties and don't claim to be selling that information.
Does anyone else see the fatal flaw here? Steorn couldn't produce a device with the properties they claim to be selling plans for. Maybe they have some devices that produce strange properties, but they cannot sell plans for them because they cannot reproduce the effects. It is important to study the devices that they do have in order to understand the source of the properties, but they have an awful strange way of going about that.
I agree. But I also suspect there's more at play here than we know.
--Mark.
When I first read about this idea of beamed sabotage, I laughed. However, now that I think about it, I remember that last Wednesday I saw some workers operating a crane (or was it a cherry picker?) towards the floor above the demonstration area. Could they have been retrieving some heavy equipment from this upper floor? Maybe I should have stuck around and had a good look!
Regards
Joseph