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I am new here, though I have been studying Hydrogen/Oxygen electrolysis for 24 months from many sources.  I was one of the first purchasers of the magdrive unit way back when. While it is simple in its production, the vast amounts of hho are not present in its use.  I have watched every video on the net and downloaded and read everything I can get my hands on. 

I have as many questions as I do answers, however, like many of you, I feel close to doing something wonderful in the lab, soon.

I have three diesel engines that I am about to do a diesel/hho mixture.  One Ford 6.0 v-8, one Volvo 36,000 GVW straight truck in-line 6, and a Kenworth T2000 semi with an electronic OHV Caterpillar straight 6 475 HP engine.  I own these three trucks at no small expense to me, so the thought of racking up a twenty five thousand dollar repair bill because I took out the Kenworth's engine is not something I want to take a chance with.

With recent problems in the Nation and the World, 100 dollar a barrel crude oil is on the way.  That will make for over 4 dollar a gallon at the pumps.  As the world gets weird, I would suggest we all give up our evenings out on the town and get a 100% hho vehicle invented soon. Real soon.   You can hoard three years of soup and beans hidden in the basement.  But can you store that much energy the way things are now?  NO.

Everyone, get involved and share what you know.  I promise to do the same.

Here is what I think.  Pulse systems are disinformation.  We can get what we need with business card size plates driven with straight DC current done in an immersed electrolyte of lye in distilled water. Adjust the lye to get the desired production at the desired vacuum and temperature.  Series plates with one cell per 2 volts with power leads only at the opposing ends.  The plate spacing at about .0062 the same thickness of the plates, so very little lye is needed.  316L stainless is better than 304.

Again, hello to everyone. 

Welcome to the forums lincolninked

Let me introduce myself .

This is my Youtube Page:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SGiHunter

These are my threads:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2057.850.html#new
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2058.new.html#new
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2616.new.html#new

As a senior member of this board, I acknowledge your welcome and bid you thanks for your warm and rather quick welcome.  The spirit of friendship is important.  However, I would also encourage you to tell me something like "business card shaped plates are not as efficient as square plates, or round plates, or whatever".

My wish here is to hit the ground running.  I want friends, yes.  But what I need is information.  To give it and to get it.   

This is what I think is the best most productive simple use of the available technology for hho generation at easy to use parameters available in cars/trucks.  He has two videos, one at 12 volts and one at 24 volts.

This is the 12 volt test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdyaNmRtUto&mode=user&search=

Thanks for the welcome. 

And I gave you that in a few seconds, in time we can get into some logistics  eh

Close and seal the series cell up from voltage leaks will yield higher  production .
A simple cell schematic. at the bottom of the page .This is just a test module  at many voltages and so forth for the forum.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2057.130.html

The running cell is here:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SGiHunter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2YM0qAb9_0

In the video I posted a link to, you see an almost reverse pyroclastic flow as the cell erupts the second time he connects the power.  The water is instantly saturated with from top to bottom with gases erupting from the electrolysis.  Quite impressive in my way of thinking.  Only thing I see close to this on a larger scale is this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N_5Li7DZpGc&mode=related&search=
and this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u03hPyGaMFU&mode=related&search=

I have built the first one mentioned in my earlier post.  These above are my next project., unless I do this:

CORRECTION< THIS IS WHAT I TRIED TO POST:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rgIgpSwlExA&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JrP8s6xB8Sg&mode=related&search=

You can see the same effect in my hot ratty open cell here.
This one is just a little bit bigger and alot more water. 
The Cell idea here is to have modules
that can be scaled to any size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svukDnceeRE

That last one you posted is impressive . any idea of the amp draw?
Also that last Cell sound like it is pulsed . The high surface tension gives
it a nice look on the output as well. You dont get that in a KOH cell ,
the bubbles burst  almost instantly.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vIOJlALu1pw

http://www.gethydropower.com/faq.html

This cell is one of the most "polished" units out there.  For their prices, it had better be "cute".  Beyond the cute and polished aspects, it is a serious producer. 

Watch the animated cell being built in my post above.   Then watch and listen to the men talking about the browns gas machine.  There is where the rubber meets the road!   I do not fully understand why they use one volt per cell, but it puts off enough gas to cut/weld steel which is much more than required to run an automobile. 

Correction, this is what I tried to post as an animation of a cell being built.

This is of a browns gas generator to cut steel:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rgIgpSwlExA&mode=related&search=

Machine is here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JrP8s6xB8Sg&mode=related&search=

Listen to the men tell how it works.

EDIT


"but it puts off enough gas to cut/weld steel which is much more than required to run an automobile."

This statement is not true . Sorry but that is the facts as far as power consumption goes on the BrownGas welder.

Ah yes I have seen this brown gas system. A series and paralleled big cell stack, and the other anima you posted a few back as well.

My series cell is similar but with no gasket, the  walls of the cell housing are slotted to seal the plates in.

I found that there is much more to volt tuning than the "2 volt no matter what" deal.
Plate spacing, surface area and over all design of the cell stack itself. Some Cells have their plates so close there are actuality arcs between plates you don't even see happen, Plate shorting .

I am not sure about the Gorilla just yet . I know some people that bought one and they say that it has an air pump . But I just don't know at this point I do not know the intentions of the user. He called them about the pump and they told him it was to make the gas safer  with mixing the air into the cell .

Anyway  what are you working on now ?
Can you show anything you have built so far or in the process of building?

I will be putting a two 7 plate design (business card size) in my 2005 Ford F-550 6.0 diesel this week, if time allows.  My ford is 12 volts x's two batteries. or 24 volts.

I will have one unit of seven cells at each battery. Final plate design comes back from the machine shop Monday.  I wanted to xnay all internal wiring. So the final design is 100% stainless plates in the explosion friendly chamber.  Plates electrical design similar to Hydrogen Tap later models but with smaller heaver more efficient plates. .0062 316L.  My plates sit in only 25% of the water in the chamber with 75% of the extra water over them. 

I am a little concerned the water layer of 3 to 4 inches above the plates will hinder the liberation of the hho.  I will monitor this and use something to break the surface tension as needed.  Possibly a small amount of acetone if the Lye is not enough to do the job.  I have discovered the gas produced is more usable the sooner it is made, so all lines will be kept to a bare bones minimum. I will be using a system of vacuum lines to give the cell a constant vacuum of 16 or better at all times.  The temperature of the unit will be maintained by the cool side of the radiator.

The system is self starting by a vacuum sensor that turns on the system.  No vacuum, no hho.  I will use several check valves as well as two bubblers (again, worried about the water stealing back my hho.)  With two complete separate systems, I am assured better overall performance by having two systems.

I do not do videos posted to the net very often, so do not look for pics real soon.

Quote from: IronHead on July 08, 2007, 01:59:34 AM
EDIT


"but it puts off enough gas to cut/weld steel which is much more than required to run an automobile."

This statement is not true . Sorry but that is the facts as far as power consumption goes on the BrownGas welder.



Reply from lincolninked:

I said the output is greater, I did not comment on the input.  I assume these larger browns gas generators use 220 VAC or 440 VAC for the larger ones.  Of course these power sources are not available to the vehicles of our roads. 

Howdy, lincolninked, and welcome to the forum!

I've got the "business card" plate arrangement ready to test soon.  3"x2" plates in a 20 plate stack, 1/4" spacing, and they can be set up series, parallel or a combination of both.  Also, the same size in a 19 plate negative center after IronHead's brute plan.

Questions abound as to whether the neutral plates have an advantage, so I am setting up a side by side challenge, amp for amp, gas capture to quantify.

"To pulse or not to pulse" will be addressed as well.   There's more to that than meets the eye.   RLC circuits ain't simple, especially with a moving target like water's dielectric constant.

I've got a Mercedes 240 D and a Mitsibishi 25 HP tractor for diesels to test the performance of HHO as an add-on.

A plethora of gas engines as well, including a 3 litre ford v-6.

Lots of plans, but, as anyone reading my posts will tell you, the Turtle has a big hat and no cattle.

It's coming together slowly, and I ain't about to kill myself making stupid hasty mistakes... been there before, and it ain't pretty.

Soon things will happen, and it takes time.  I'll share as I learn.  Ironhead has been down the road, and shares what we can handle.  He understands the dangers and don't want no one killed, either.

I appreciate yer comment about making it happen, and now; but these things will happen in time.   As Bob Boyce sez, if any major changes in the nation's energy paradigm are gonna happen, they're gonna come outa the basement experimenter and backyard tinkerer.  Grass roots grow best in water...so do turtles.

@ IronHead; I might jes post a pic of all the stuff I've put together... gotta use wide angle, I reckon...<grin>

G' luk, folks!

Turtle

Hey Turtle!

If pulse is a viable option, it should be the cell that pulses, not the simple 12 volt incoming current.  In a stereo, the capacitor gives off current as it is needed, but the music never stops.  It will take a frying pan up beside my head to listen to the notion that the current must stop to produce more electrolysis.  That does not make sense to me. 

Now if it is possible to build a cell that mimics the workings of an electric capacitor, and that cell discharges somehow shaking off hydrogen at a greater rate, that would be something.

I think Meyer was sly like a fox.  He like our own Government knew the desired effects of hiding something in the open in a sea of disinformation.   I personally think the Meyer stories and treasure maps are a waste of time.  Prove me wrong and I will pay anyone good money for a working model. I on the other hand, will not chase that dream trying to reinvent something I believe to be disinformation leading away from the prize.

This board is dangerous as I am not getting any work done.

Vibrating is the idea of resonating water to a frequency that will shake the covalent bond
of the water molecule apart or close to . You can break glass with a hammer or you can break it with sound . How ever you deliver the vibration to the water . well there are many ways to do this . This small cell is going through a frequency sweep and there is a big effect as you can see.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IDJAcELsWs

Building a cell to  deliver a specific vibration to resonate  is not as easy as it my seem nor is build a guitar body and its strings to hit and carry a perfect note.

I di not study Meyer , I studied the guy he studied , Keely

Go build something
IronHead

That video was no frying pan.  Show me production levels at low current and or voltage.  Absent a measurable volume at lower power levels, the myth remains and the dream continues in a smoke and mirrors world.

If that clear plexi unit uses an air pump, I guess you could call that volume fraud. 

Thats fine . I see you are a top builder and pro that has proven this . My 10 years and 50+ cells mean nothing here . I will move on

Pro video watching is not going to get you any experience. When you get some hands on then you can talk some s%!t to me.

Thank you
Good to meet you.


I'm done with this guy , NEXT
IronHead

Wonderful, first day on the board and the person marked as a hero is throwing cuss words and stomping off into the woods.

Lets get one thing clear.  I am here to learn, and help others if I can.  I am not here to take abuse, nor give any.

I suggest you modify your post to keep your "hero" status.

Reread my post.  I said the information I posted might be a fraud, I did not say anything negative about you or your video.  I just said show me production levels.  You asked me about amps used in one of my videos, for which I answered you with a web page.  I did not get mad and stomp off.  What gives with the attitude?

I do not want an apology, I want your knowledge and a good give and take exchange of information.  If that is not possible, you can leave the table and someone will take your place.

This is very negative to "my video" post . you did not ask a question about the video  you bashed it , clearly!

"That video was no frying pan.  Show me production levels at low current and or voltage.  Absent a measurable volume at lower power levels, the myth remains and the dream continues in a smoke and mirrors world."


You refuse to learn , posting how my work is smoke and mirrors when I give clear video and pictures along with instructions to people that have had very good outcome of the Cell build.

My so called status will remain no matter what I post. It is earned not given .
You  are on a fast road to nowhere . You refuse to post any videos or pictures  of your work in progress . You come in here talking about how this cant work and that cant work with no builds behind you . Then you talk crap about my work . Man you have a lot to learn. All this is based on work you have not done but watched others do in assorted videos on YouTube


Your videos , you have clearly stated  you have no video, what are you saying?
"You asked me about amps used in one of my videos,"


I am done talking there are hundreds of pages in here with video/pics for you to go through . You don't need me telling you how to do things . You are a smart guy you will figure it out.

Good luck guy

IronHead

I have been here a total of two hours and 59 minutes and already some gentleman has taken the steps to flame me.   Brother.  I pushed the moderator button, and the board generated a message that no moderator is on this board.

So I leave it to everyone here to reread the above posts and tell us where we went wrong.  If I did or said anything to hurt anyone's feelings I am o so sorry. 

I am too busy to argue on the net.   If I can learn here or share here, I may stay.  If this is a board where people flame one another and toss cuss words, you guys can have this place.  I do not need it.  I am above that, and I want the people that I share information with to be above that. 

Is this board uplifting with real usable information, or just a place to hurl cuss words?

I hope your stay is a good one I will stay out of your way as we seem to clash .
Just dont flame my work here and I wont flashback . No matter if it right or wrong to you  just  dont flame my work is all I ask of you .


There are many good people here.

Keep redoing your post till it does not show you popped your cork over nothing.   The redo button is very handy for some people that type first and then get a cooler head later.

I did not say anything negative about your video.  I did not even know it was your video!

So in ten years and 50 cells later that is your "video".  Methodical is the word that comes to mind.  

That is a pulsed cell?  What are the current rates?  What is the gas volume?  I would not blame you if that is a closely guarded secret, one cannot be too careful.  

Frankly, after your exchange with me, a new guest at this door, I do not care if your cell is the next target on the Gov hit parade.  Does that make any sense to you?

How dare you get into my face and release vile words.  Over nothing.  You owe this board an apology for your words.  Not to me, to this board!

"Keep redoing your post till it does not show you popped your cork over nothing.   The redo button is very handy for some people that type first and then get a cooler head later."

I have removed nothing from my post.

no these videos are for teaching purposes


you did not read my last post I see . As I said I will stay out of you way this is my last post to you.


"I do not care if your cell is the next target on the Gov hit parade.  Does that make any sense to you?"

looking at you avatar  yes yes it does.


Enough of this

So you got hot headed because you thought I flamed your video?

I said to another person here that a frying pan would need to hit me up side the head to make me believe in pulse systems.  In other words, I am saying I am not a believer in that concept.  Are you telling me you have a pulse system that works as reported like the Meyer system?   I stepped on your toes because you have a low amp/volt pulse system?  That is why you are angry with me?

Fine, I apologize to you sir.  You and your ten years hands on expirence and fifty cells later has a working pulse cell system.   This is what you are saying, and that is why you are angry with me?

This is great news.  I would like to purchase such a system.  What is your price?  Would you like to sell the rights to manufacture, or will you be providing me with working units?   I have investment funds ready at your disposal.  You are about to be a wealthy man sir. 

...EDIT...
New information has come to light it is time for me to go.
I will be back on soon

I see you have a thread with 26 thousand views.  That is incredible.  Really. So for that, I give you respect.  For the way you treat new guests here, that respect drops back to less than zero.  What do I want from you?  The respect that any human being is entitled to.  I meant you zero harm.  You bounded way out of control, when no harm was intended or shown in any way.

I would not buy you out, I just want to purchase working units, or the rights to manufacture them.  You could be tomorrows newest millionaire.  You would make millions and so would I.  Capitalism is a wonderful thing. Four and five dollar a gallon gas will make some people in alternative energy very wealthy.

That offer is open to anyone with a working pulse wave system, if such a system exists. Personally, at the risk of setting you off again, I doubt any such system is available that is an improvement over straight voltage electrolysis.

Quote from: lincolninked on July 08, 2007, 05:26:16 AM
I see you have a thread with 26 thousand views.  That is incredible.  Really. So for that, I give you respect.  For the way you treat new guests here, that respect drops back to less than zero.  What do I want from you?  The respect that any human being is entitled to.  I meant you zero harm.  You bounded way out of control, when no harm was intended or shown in any way.

I would not buy you out, I just want to purchase working units, or the rights to manufacture them.  You could be tomorrows newest millionaire.  You would make millions and so would I.  Capitalism is a wonderful thing. Four and five dollar a gallon gas will make some people in alternative energy very wealthy.

That offer is open to anyone with a working pulse wave system, if such a system exists. Personally, at the risk of setting you off again, I doubt any such system is available that is an improvement over straight voltage electrolysis.

Welcome to the fourm!!

Ok, HV Vrs Brute force amprage. High voltage works best every time IF you do it right.  Like Keely discovered and Meyers prooved ''Let voltage do the work" .02 

Next, The forum here is opensource. youll find folks around here are fed up with suppression. Open source means you are free to build and change what ever you want, Make it better and call it your own. for that you wont get flamed. So you have the rights alredy to manufacture what ever ya want. But dont count on getting rich off of it. more .02

@ Ironhead
You would have been better off on SM last evening Bro.
                                                                                ;)  Moab 

Just read the whole thing again. I see there was a misunderstanding. Ironhead read it again, I dont think the man was dissing your vid. IMHO.

Fryingpan huh. Hmm ( Now where did i put that pan ) 8)

Now i'm going to go build somthing. The ever building Moab.

@ lincolninked:  Welcome & thanks for your comments on my build. Listen, there's 7000+ members in here, and everyone is taking this work (together as a community) very seriously. No games, just the pursuit of free-energy. Ease-up a bit, until everyone gets to know you better. I'm sure you have a lot of solid information to share with the group, if you choose. And it would be nice to have another committed mind on-board.

Keep in mind that we just met you today. Everyone in this forum knows and respects IronHead's work. Everyone! (I'm new too, and still treading carefully with all the humility of a mouse to an elephant.)

Good luck with your work, it'll be good to share information as we trudge through the trenches toward self-discovery.

Regards,  Mark.

 I am not sure what I said was way out of control.
I was more stating facts from information  given.
I read back and see nothing slandering that is not
truth taken from the words in this thread without
assumption.

I found  that I was defending myself from  sly and
demeaning remarks throughout this thread. This
includes many assumptions and telling me what
I can and can not say ,or do here. I will not have
that from any member of this board regardless of
time here and or position in this forum.

I have posted several times trying to end this conversation  and again was met with well arranged words of slander of how bad a person I am. and assumption of my stature.

"You could be tomorrows newest millionaire"
You assume I am not already. This technology is open scource !
And it will stay that way from my point of view and design.


I have work to do , Good day

@lincolninked;

Well, I see there is a bit of the "establishment  thinking" in your approach to this, ya know, 2nd law and such.   Not to disk you, but that ain't where we're going in this whole concept of producing HHO  potential in excess of applied power.

It flies in the face of conventional science, so in y'all's estimation it might as well be a waste of time.

So be it.  It's my time and I'll spend it as I choose.   "If it gets me nowhere, I'll go there proud..." (thanks, Jim C)   If and when I come up with something worthwhile, or even something with inestimable commercial value, then I'll post it right here.

That way, you and everyone else with yer connections can latch onto it and make all the money ya want- I don't care much about money.

I wanna put an end to the indentured servitude (slavery) the energy barons have bound this nation's populace to.   If you wanna be a part of that, come on.  If you jes wanna make yerself rich, keep in mind the technology is going out to everyone.  There ain't no exclusives here, so ya might had oughta catch the early train.   Make it happen as soon as possible.

I mean no malice or bitterness in anything I said, however it may have been interpreted.  I've been misunderstood and maligned all my life- guess that's what drives me to a place like this.  I feel I've found a haven amongst these here good folk.

Please, lincolninked, we're all here to learn.  If what you see clashes with yer paradigm, sit on it and keep on trying to understand "from whence we cometh".

If ya ain't willing to do that, then, well, "Good day, sir".

Drop by occasionally and get a good laugh at what we're trying to do.

Regards,

Turtle

@ Turtle: I'm swimming with you, buddy. :-)

@ Lincolninked:  If you've got some extra currency to shed, Stefan (hartiberlin), our trusty moderator is cooking up a nice little pot for the first one to develop (opensource) overunity in this forum. Send a chunk his way to go into the kitty and I'm sure everyone (even Ironhead) would be most amiably impressed.

Deposit here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2157.0.html

Cheers,  Mark. 

I don't know why keithturtle but when I read you I hear it in my head as a sort of Captain Barbosa's voice from the movie Pirates of the Caribbean . I really enjoy reading your posts .
I hope that did not come out wrong :)


As far as the vote goes on the pole , "Who wants to know" is  my choice.
For what I think are obvious resigns .

IronHead

Well, Ironhead, coming from you, I only understand that as a compliment... "Ayre, matey...!"

Ya see, for my book I'm determining which dialect will be the most effective in communicating the subject material... Appalachian (down home hillbilly, lotsa influence there), southern Texan drawl, (not much experience there) middle Elisabethan english (whithersoever the govorener listeth- James 3:4) - I doubt anyone would read much of that- or contemporary braindead punk... "like wow, man..."

Shut up, turtle...

Thanks fer the compliment.   If nothing else, I hope to entertain in a good clean spirit of grace (yes, I am a preacher of the Christian gospel, and I feel God is leading me into this for great things.  That's my way of saying that God in heaven, maker of heaven and earth, frequencies, and all the stuff of creation- that very God is blessing our efforts)...

And now you know from whence I cometh.   (I'll have to listen to a video clip of that movie to get the inflection right) <big grin>

Turtle

Oh I am sure it is just me that hears it as I have let all three of those movies run to day on one of the monitors.  lol  You had to be in my head to hear it ,it was rather enjoyable .

Thank you keithturtle
God bless ya brother and good luck in all your endeavors
IronHead

Well, IronHead, I'll have to admit that being inside your head has been a remarkable experience so far.   Thank you for being accessible.   Keep up the good work, and this thing is gonna happen.

BTW, I like robb077's idea of adding HHO to the plasma burn- more at that thread later...

Turtle

One fine day in "The OU forum" the master told a story, Someone lights a world, He sent him back to glory.

There are whispers between the screams, That this deed can be done, Even sinners must dream and can you be the one? to make the devil cry.

A bit off topic. But do you see what i was trying to tell you Mr. Ironhead?

Turth is here and opensource at last. Be patient.

Turtle. That post did rock bro. Thanks!      .M.

Oh yes, I have  listened to the song many times today .
It is almost as if it was written  by someone looking in on my little world.
And was a perfect follow up to the song I have in the lite worlds I not so
long ago created , you know the ones. A simple reflection in art of my reality

Oh and please vote on lincolninked's poll being taken .
Does Pulse Wave Electrolisis Exist

Thank you

oops wrong button

who wants to know.

Indeed, brothers...rock on!

Turtle

Well my second day on the board.  I do hope it goes better than yesterday.  lol

Can't even find the frying pan, must have a coil sitting in it somewhere.  lol

Thanks for several of you saying hello.  Looking over several other threads, I see IH has gotten his feathers lit up over other issues and other people before, so I will not take it personal.  I guess we just all say to him "good job, IH, no one could do it better."

As for me, I like to learn, so when I say something that could be said better, of if I build and show something that could be built better, I want to hear how to do better.  I am on the hunt for wisdom from all sources.  I am not afraid of criticism and brain sessions with others.   I want positive interaction with people that can help me think..

Hydrogen taps very first video ( 1 2 & 3 )was my lesson today.  One might assume as one does more and more, things get better and better.  Watch his first video and you will see a rather nice display of bubbles at 1.5 amps.  Impressive.  Put ten of these in a system and you have 15 amps!  I rather feel the display of bubbles I saw in this video times 10 would be enough to make some serious hydrogen/oxygen.  If his water was 160 degrees rather than cold, and if his water was precharged rather than dead, I bet you could run 30 of these cells in one battery and not go over 18 amps.    Just for fun, that is my shop project for the week.  Video to follow.

How do you turn off the annoying sounds on this board?

"I guess we just all say to him "good job, IH, no one could do it better."

Again more sarcasm . Nice one!

Not sarcastic, I have been informed to never tell you anything negative about your stuff.  It is your rules.

I on the other hand am here to participate in a group discussion where ever it leads, cuss words and expletives deleted s removed, of course.

Oh no, not again...

Turtle

Tonight, my distraction from the task at hand was lots of pretty girls in short mini-skirts down at the university watering hole. Lucky me! lol.

Welcome to the forums! ;D
About the IH/debate thing: Don't worry when tension rises around here. It has a habbit of doing that when progress is/isn't being made. We all quickly agree to disagree and its all put behind us. So always make sure to contirbute knowledge even if it does go against the grain and will most likey end up in a debate. After all, if any one of us had all the answers we wouldn't need a forum, now would we? Glad to have ya!

~Dingus Mungus

Hey Dingus.

Yesterday about 2am I decided to go with series cells rather than direct current to every cell.  Then today in the light of day, I am still not sure.  The load of lye required to do series is much greater.  My head is swimming with all the possibilities.  What to do, what to do???????

Tomorrow I am slowing down the prototype install to again re-examine the direct current plates before I install anything on the F-550.   I think the reduced lye is a good thing.   

Any thoughts on this gang?

I just added too much electrolyte today by accident... blew my primary fuse and burned out my coil (which I knew better than to use anyway). I have some hostilities toward electroyte today. So I'll tell you what I think tomorrow. lol.

But then, I'm still pretty green just yet. And to be honest, was kinda wondering that myself. First, I think on mine, I'm going to try adding the accrylic casement as IH suggested, and then reconfigure as needed from there.

I think my series cell looks like it should be making enough to fuel your cat. But when I measure my output, it all adds up to a mouse's burp.

@Dingus: I just noticed it was you who suggested (in the saltwater thread) to turn the cell upside down to find leaks. Your idea worked great. Thank you!

--M.

Yo, Mark:

If y'all will figure yer electrolyte concentrations in normality, it's a heck of a lot easier to keep track of it.   NxV=nxv is the formula to use.  A one-molar solution of KOH is about 56.1 grams of KOH (100%pure) dissolved in one litre of deionised water (or distilled if they lock you outa the lab, like they sometimes do to me <snicker>).

I use between  0.1 and 0.5 normal solution to get good plate action without drawing too much power, and this is for initial baseline testing.   After ya add circulation and cooling y'all can crank up the molarity without getting too hot.

Back to the heatlamp,

Turtle

Off topic:

Has anyone ever heard of anyone running the exhaust of a gas/diesel engine into the intake to re-burn all or part of the exhaust gases? 

Just thinking out loud.

Spray say 1/10th of your normal amount of gas into a mixing chamber of the exhaust gases and air and then feed this mixture in the cylinders. 

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Quote from: keithturtle on July 13, 2007, 02:45:42 AM
Yo, Mark:
A one-molar solution of KOH is about 56.1 grams of KOH.

"About," Eh! You science guys. hehe. Thanks, Turtle!

@lincolninked;
That's how you regulate the flammability of the hho- the more non-combustible (already burnt) gas you add, the slower the HHO burns.

Don't know any exact ratio; might had oughta add a fine-thread metering valve at the mixing point.  Also, chek out "Archie Blue Gas", cuz he used exhaust gas to shake the HHO offa the plates and stir up the juice in the cell.

@aphasiac;
I used to yell at the crew when we built homes "Ya gotta nail it somewhere- nail it straight, plumb and dumb!"  If yer gonna take the time to do it, might as well keep track as best as possible.

Turtle

Quote from: lincolninked on July 13, 2007, 04:19:25 AM
Off topic:

Has anyone ever heard of anyone running the exhaust of a gas/diesel engine into the intake to re-burn all or part of the exhaust gases? 

Just thinking out loud.

Spray say 1/10th of your normal amount of gas into a mixing chamber of the exhaust gases and air and then feed this mixture in the cylinders. 

Also OT:
No but in a similar energy transfer we used the exhaust line to heat
our greasel fuel to allow for acceleration in cold climate conditions.
I used to have a 1979 GMC bluebird that ran on Americas fat ass...

~Dingus Mungus

EDIT: You may want to look in to the work of Harold Marfleet...

Quote from: lincolninked on July 12, 2007, 10:34:16 PM
Hey Dingus.

Yesterday about 2am I decided to go with series cells rather than direct current to every cell.  Then today in the light of day, I am still not sure.  The load of lye required to do series is much greater.  My head is swimming with all the possibilities.  What to do, what to do???????

Tomorrow I am slowing down the prototype install to again re-examine the direct current plates before I install anything on the F-550. I think the reduced lye is a good thing.   

Any thoughts on this gang?

You plan to run a Ford F550 on pure HHO? Thats a hell of an ambitious prototype don't you think? Maybe start on a 2 cylinder motor... Just my 2 cents. Also you may want to add a aluminum shaving filter on the input line as conc lye solution in electrolysis heats up rather quickly and the NaOH tends to precipitate. You don't want that stuff reaching any of your gaskets or Al components. Also... Have you taken your timing in to consideration? While I still haven't ran a 4 stroke on HHO, it is known to have mostly implosive not explosive properties making it inefficient with standard engine timing.

~Dingus Mungus

BTW if you're some guy why is your avitar a pick of a girl?
Isn't that a little confusing? (confusing = totally wierd)

The pic is Claudia Schrieffer.  Need I say more!  I had my picture there till I obtained a stalker here.  I needed that like a hole in the head, so I backed off and removed my photograph.  The net is such a weird place, don't you think?

The F-550 is not going 100% hho.  Do you think I am crazy?

Reasons to keep diesel and or gasoline fuel close by are:

1: Illegal to operate on public roads without publicly taxed fuels on-board as your primary fuel source.  Jail has never seen me and hope to keep it that way.
2: Men in black tend to show up where there is something very interesting going on.  Running an automobile on 100% water is very interesting.  As men in black scare the he*^ out of me, I am not going there.
3:  100% hho is hard on normal engines.  You can go 80/20 or 70/30 or 60/40 (taxed fuels/hho) and see no long term damages to a normal engine. Going beyond that will create problems with parts deterioration beyond what could be expected with typical road fuels.
4:  People die or turn up missing that create 100% water based fuels or 200 mpg carbs.  I have no wish to turn room temperature anytime soon. Do they die as a result of the people mentioned in rule number one or rule number two, I do not care. 

It appears if all you invent is a water device to extend the fill-up rate you get from one service station to another, no red flags go up and everyone leaves you alone.

I like being left alone.   

Paying taxes directly might be an answer, according to my contact in the trucking industry.   Apparently, he said y'all can cipher up the miles driven, figger how much fuel ya woulda used and jes pay the tax without buying the diesel (and paying the oil cartel).   Something about bulk diesel kept at the terminal.

Oregon had a house bill that would equip hi-mileage cars (Prius, etc) with a GPS tracker that would rat out the miles driven once a month.  If yer fuel bill wasn't high enough, they'd send a bill fer what they thought y'all oughta pay to drive on their dang "publically financed" highways.   I dunno if it passed or not.

Jes run it and keep track of the fuel you didn't buy; that way y'all can tag a dollar amount and pay the money-grubbing tax-grabber.   But anyhow, the roads need supported one way or t'other.

Guess y'all know how I feel about taxes, now.

BTW, that paints a picture of the magnanimous social upheaval this technology could precipitate, once it becomes viable and widespread... jes a thought.

Turtle

@Turtle: I think you're on the money there. Whether the idea of paying taxes excites you or not, its gotta be done. One of your founding fathers once said, "In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes."  Fast forward 250 years and... surprise, surprise!

Transportation officials are known to be pretty good at generating numbers for the guys who accidentally burn colored diesel, at least in my region. I'm hearing of cases popping-up before a judge now, in recent months.  If you're smart, you'll be ready and waiting with some defendable mileage numbers; 'cause if you don't, they'll be ready and waiting with some of their own.

This 'lil problem isn't going away. Mark my words...

--Mark. 

Roads will only need upkeep untill we FINALLY get our flying cars.
LOL! I predicted we would have them by 2010 as a child. (nope)
I've never even considered the tax angle of this technology.
Damn... Looks like one more way for them to shut us down when
we finally find the answer we all seek. Sounds like a good time to
reaffirm the constitutions indirrect proportional tax system.

Way better than fuel tax that way! Also I get skrewed on fuel
daily. I live in 100 degree plus Arizona. A gallon of gas here
weighs less than a gallon of gas nearly anywhere else.

::shakes fist::
Damn you thermal expansion!

~Dingus Mungus

Easy now, Dingus, relief is on the way.

The new transportaion bill addresses "hot fuel"... and codifies "68'F" as standard delivery temperature.  Pumps need to be equipped with sensors and temperature compensation metering.  The technology's there already, jes needs installed and activated (=$!$).

Soon y'all will indeed be getting what y'all pay fer...

Back to the tax issue, it ain't a matter of shutting us down.   This time we got Kyoto and all the greenie tree huggers on our side.   Schools teach Gaiya [sp?] (mother earth) worship as a primary  curriculum, so a generation of tree-huggin' teens are out there as well.   I'm in the environmental business (water treatment) so that puts me on the front line also.   Society will find a way to adapt.  It always does.  We might not like it, but it'll happen.

When new technology proves itself, the dinosaurs will have to move over.   Just remember that we owe the oil companies a huge debt... without their recent price antics, many of us might not even be on this board trying to solve the problem.

Turtle