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Is that your idea howit might work or did you actually see the ORBO ?
Do you think they have magnets all over there ?
There was seen in one picture by Sean holding the
ORBO in his hands only 2 small rods inside the stator, no magnets to see there.
ALso the rotor had only 4 small magnets in it, when it was laying in the
setup room on the table.
But your idea is an interesting idea.
Please try it.
Regards, Stefan.
HI DEE DEE
Thanx alot It looks so simple We will soon do a Test.
helmut
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Sean can show a completed device without having to show the exact setup of the magnets. Cut two sheets of paper in a circle, cut out the parts you want to show and stick them on both sides of the unit.
If a demo would reveal secrets that should not be revealed, a demo should not have been announced.
Any other excuses why the demo was cancelled?
QuoteSean is not stupid to show a full(completed) device. It could be too easily replicated.That's actually why the demo was canceled.
the magnet orientation on the drawing is a little confusing, you use the N pole on each side of the magnet, is all the magnet on the rotor are facing in the same direction?
also is the rotor speed in this configuration is fast?
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usually a magnet have 2 poles N and S not 4 :)
So where are the N and S because I see 2 on each magneT! :)
Circular Halbach arrays can also be used in the construction of
highly efficient wind turbines.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/07/china_unveils_w.php
i have some magnet its something i would like to try
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ok maybe you don't understand what i am saying, from the image bellow which configuration is used A or B ?
I suppose its A
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This image might help.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg504.imageshack.us%2Fimg504%2F5702%2Frotrfu2.jpg&hash=7bb5f789c2bffdcb0603099063266d94da3f37ba)
Is it confirmed that this device uses only magnets, or perhaps could it be using other metals? It appears like there is some type of disc in the center, along with the metal axis. I guess that could be some round metal coated magnet in the center, or just metal. Could also be diametrically magnetized rod magnets for the two stators. Notice that they use very thin magnets on the rotating part. I think this would lessen the gate effect, and using small radius diametrically magnetized stator cylinder magnets would also help. Just a guess though.
the problem is we don't know if the stator use some kind of shielding or its just magnet
also I am sure they are 2 angles on the magnet not only the one we saw from the pic, but each stator magnet have an angle (a little inclined on the other side)
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did you see the device for real? how do you know it's only magnet without shielding?
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My question is if someone can clarify how magnetic lag/viscosity plays its role as Steorn has hinted that it plays a big role, "small" (weak/dirty) magnets being affected by larger/stronger magnets (I assume by special timing and the flipping of poles/domains by the stronger magnets on the weak/dirty rotor magnets).
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I think this is correct? I was messing around in visimag and got this which ended up very similar to what you describe.
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so the magnet on the stator are not one magnet but 3 per "slot" that look like a one magnet?
hum i dont have any small magnet for replicate this!
Or they fillup all the stator with magnet on the other direction to make the hallbach array? My concern is the magnet to fillup also, if you look on the ORBO device they have nothing between the slot
and all my magnet are cylinder type not cube so i suppose i cannot do any hallback array with it
OK,
More Q's.
Pls confirm: Going clockwise around the rotor, the magnets are SN SN SN etc (N leads 1st) about the circumference of the rotor, i.e. N POINTS clockwise around the edge
..NOT radial edge-to-centre: i.e. not edge sees N, centre sees S
The numbers of magnets. Seems to me that the stator needs an odd number and the rotor - some other higher number, most like even.
EG 5 Halbach groups about the outside on stator, 4 rotor plan magnets (N out?)
Yes / No ?
The angles:
rotor magnets square on, stator Halbachs say 20 deg slant?
How does the angle affect all this?
Steve
Hey all:
Just a bit of observation here. I look at the picture of the steorn person holding the proto running and then at the display case and I see a real problem. In the proto, its running wide open to the air. Not a big deal on that respect. Now take a good close look at the display case. I would think it has the sides way too close to the spinning rotor. Can you say wind currents. Lots of drag. That would soon make the plastic get just a bit on the warm side. Maybe even hot. Hot plastic likes to warp. Warp the very thing that is holding the bearings and presto, worn out bearings.
Just a bit of thought on my part. But I would bet that thoes bearings were not movable and therefore had a side loading problem causing a lot of wear.
sugra
Quote from: steve_whiss on July 10, 2007, 10:01:38 AMrotor magnets square on, stator Halbachs say 20 deg slant?
For the stator angles, its 30 degree but its a complete mistary about the magnets all around it, its like he will need to make a much better plan because right now we just dont have enough infos, he know how to do it but not us...
just take you time and explain better, dont assume we know the motor, no one know, also all the problem is related to the halback array, you show images that just not fit all together
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are the magnet in the stator are little square magnet like this http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=B333 ?
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kjmagnetics.com%2Fprodimages%2FB333L.jpg&hash=82a5043a171aeb3ed4a61209adb8632ea2d508b5)
Hi everybody,
@TheOne
I was also thinking at this kind of little square magnets (5 m/m) but I don't know if they are OK.
BTW: The European persons can find a lot of different magnets at: http://www.supermagnete.de/ (http://www.supermagnete.de/)
Very serious compagny, IMO. (free publicity :))
Best
they seem like they would be perfect for the shape of the halbach array being used in the orbo.
and if they don't work your only out a few bucks.
think i will order some.
what type of magnets do you need for the rotor?
wonder if you could use the same type.
this one are the cheapest
http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/detail.aspx?ID=118
100 for 8.99
but its N40 instead of N42, that should not change that much for this kind of motor anyway, hum also they are smaller! :)
not sure if they are good for that
Could Steorn be trying to hide the actual configuration of the magnets in the stator by making them all look the same while they are really different pole configuarations and strengths to make a tilted, round, Halback array? Hopefully a Vizimag example is attached...
M.
Replicate the demo unit? It didn't work.
Quote from: deedee on July 10, 2007, 11:16:35 AM
You have all the toys you need to replicate this thing.
if i understand correctly, the motor have 16 slots, on each of this slots you need 3 cube magnets to create a little halback at 30 degree angle approx, so you need this kind of magnet
this one is 1/4" instead of 1/8" or 3/16"
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=B444
then you reverse the halback on each slot, and thats it?
Looks like they released the design diagram. I think we still need to know specific sizes and spacing though. So is someone gonna try it out?
They even mention overunity.com.
http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2007/07/first_glimpse_of_an_orbo.html
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdispatchesfromthefuture.com%2Fimages%2Forbo_diagram1.jpg&hash=921c100e946d0e5e1578d55daa658110b8c3bfda)
i think this drawing was made to disinform, first orbo have 16 slots not 8 slots, also the magnet inside the stator are not described
Here is another source for magnets:
http://cgi.ebay.com/100-x-Cube-Neodymium-Rare-Earth-Magnets-3mmx3mmx3mm_W0QQitemZ290128251453QQihZ019QQcategoryZ105829QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
(no connection to seller)
The device might need to be spun up to speed (complex start/stop stated by Sean).
So what's up? What do you talented builders think of dee dee's diagrams?
Anyone planning to build something based on his design? It looks pretty specific and also looks like what Steorn has.
Worth trying to duplicate?
not me for now, i don't have to replicate it, and still i dont beleive to much this guys since its appear from nowhere, its maybe just his own idea of how the orbo work, he did not show any device also... maybe in few months
I'm replicating another motor, soon with a new thread about it
deedee "...actually only 50% truth...."
- Seems you're right. I like the idea, so tried to replicate.
Inside the box (stator) are 3 neodium magnets arranged in Halbach array and 4 weak magnets on rotor.
Tried different angles and distances.
Nothing; it's hard to fool fields; something else missing...
Light,
One difference between your setup and Dee Dee's posts is that he\she is describing a continuous array all around the stator but you have only a single grouping. You could be hitting unwanted edge effects. Try setting up 3 or 4 halbach sequences (180deg) and then see if you can reproduce the Steorn behaviour across a range of sequences in the middle (45 deg - 135 deg).
Thank you, Onevoice , you probably right, I've just used what I have. Gonna try 3 arrays, but to me it does not matter how many amplifiers applied (in fact this array acts like one), even one to one should show the "flow". I believe needa 4 magnets in array to make "flow" more stronger, and rotor's magnet better take a longer, with more expressed ends of poles; in this case pole should get 'immersed" in the array's "flow"...I guess...
People it's not the time to start replicating, I think we should do some numerical experiments. All this may be a fake. I've created a simple FEMM model with Halbach array and wrote a LUA script to automate the modelling process. If you decide to use the script, you should change file names that script uses (E:/test.fem, E:/temp.fem, E:/test.csv - look inside test.lua) to whatever you want. This script outputs results (torque of rotor magnet relative to (0,0) - center of rotor) to LUA console, and to test.csv file, which can be used to analyze data in Excel, also script computes total torque applied to rotor after one turn (360 degree). I used 5 degree step to reproduce the rotation.
I've attcahed an example of csv file that i've generated using test.lua, as you can see the result torque almost equals zero, and also you can see the graph of torrque.
Fell free to modify the model, i think we can play around with rotor and stator magnets relative angles.
Is this video the answer to the magnetic shielding?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME6dnwtbBE4&mode=related&search=
Seems like this could block the opposing force going in, and stop the attacting force pulling back in a circular setup.
I think Sean was correct in advising people not to bother with the low energy actuator patent. It may have been a stepping stone in their research, but I doubt it is a part of their orbo design. I am impressed with the flux pattern presented by Dee Dee though. I've been trying myself with a modified spiral motor design with & without shielding to produce an acceleration curve with a sufficient shear at the end to allow the rotor to get pulled off of the sticky point. Part of my design uses an unbalanced number of rotor magnets and stator arrays with neo rotor magnets. It sounds like they're using lag and weaker rotor magnets instead.
ps- I haven't gotten OU yet either...
I just viewed the vid pointed out by freezer (thanks for the link) and it opens up a whole new avenue. I have been using aluminum in sheilding experiments. As the magnet passes it stirs up eddy currents and will make him angry....oh sorry just goofing. Does make currents that make a magnetic field that should block out some of the field of the magnet behind it. Well, dont work so good.
Now, with what I just saw, using SS that "does" have some magnetic property may well help get it past the point to be repelled by the second magnet pointing away from it.
rough asci layout below.
XXX XXX
XXX XXX
XXX XXX
SSSSSSSSSSSSSS
RRRRRRRRRR
Hate how that looks but its all I have at the time. X is magnets S is the sheild and R is rotor
That is what I will be setting up this after noon when I get back from the mag shop again. Just there and now more of them to get.
thaelin
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There is no telling if any simulator program will be accurate in
representing the true effects. Especially if its a very strange
phenomena.
Quote from: zero on August 30, 2007, 02:49:51 PM
There is no telling if any simulator program will be accurate in
representing the true effects. Especially if its a very strange
phenomena.
You are right, no any widely known simulation software can show anomalous change in KE . Wizimag, Femm, and even Flux3D don't simulate magnetic viscosity - the lag effect, the heart of Steorn effect. RTFM ;D
I have this info in my memory: The stator has uneven number of magnets, 13 . The rotor would have 4 magnets? Does anyone else have these numbers?
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Hi, I built this. This magnet setup does not work. Today in the evening I will show you photos of my replica. Sorry for my english. Bye.
Hi, this is my attempt at orbo. Unfortunately functionless.
Quote from: tbest on September 07, 2007, 05:17:01 PM
Hi, this is my attempt at orbo. Unfortunately functionless.
It's functionless because you don't know the principle, what you can expect from magnets, magnetic viscosity etc. I can give you a hint - there can be energy anomalies observed at certain RPMs. So it never could start to spin by itself from rest state. And the effect can be so small that even Steorn failed his demo, hence you must have sensitive enough instruments to detect these anomalies.
Hi Tbest
Welcome to the club.
Infortunately? Fonctionless? And then?
You take your time to build things and to share.
Thanks.
You are not of this kind of all these armchair-do-nothing-naysayers-skeptic-trolls who are polluting this very forum.
Best
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steorn_Free_Energy#K-Toy_Video
Proof of work and proof of concept a released work...
Now replicate it.
Thanks to good old VLAD for the link over at www.zpenergy.com ...
Take Care and have a good one.
-infringer-
directed to the guy that replicated the steorn model
I am building the same one and noticed that your inner magnets are are not facing directly out, it wouldnt work facing the outer magnets directly... anyway i am trying a shield on the entry side of the magnet...
Why is deedee's post on: July 09, 2007, 08:21:36 PM edited to a "dot" on
Last Edit: September 07, 2007, 08:53:23 PM by deedee
What's up with that? Can you edit posts on this forum over that period of time (2 months) ?
Quote from: deedee on July 09, 2007, 04:21:36 PM
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If you are the author of the message, then you can edit the message any time. Just go back to your first post and view and you will see in the right hand side of the message the "modify" tab. Seems Deedee chose to delete the post info.
thaelin
I did a bit of research and found Orbo is a done deal
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5Q_ESdiF2wM&feature=related
Hello thaelin,
It's kind of cheesy to start a thread and let it go for 5 pages then delete anything you mentioned in the thread. It makes all the responses to the posts look like they were talking to themselves. :) too funny.
Quote from: Thaelin on January 12, 2008, 09:10:33 AM
If you are the author of the message, then you can edit the message any time. Just go back to your first post and view and you will see in the right hand side of the message the "modify" tab. Seems Deedee chose to delete the post info.
thaelin
Quote from: tbest on September 07, 2007, 05:17:01 PM
Hi, this is my attempt at orbo. Unfortunately functionless.
As much as I remember the rotor magnets should be much much smaller.And also the orientation might be the wrong one. Deedee's pictures showed something different.I'll try to find and post them.
Btw nice work anyway ;) :)
If you watch the steorn video closely, you can see the test setup. It actually resembles a principal I have been testing with some strange results.
It seems in the short time it takes for a rapidly moving magnet to change the polarity in a coil with an iron core a strange effect happens.
If the coil is put under load at the right time, it can resist the core changing polarity and cause no additional load to be placed on the generator.