I have just listened to a radio interview with Stan Deyo, during the course of
this program he related details of how he came to the conclusions of what is
called T.O.E., or the "theory of everything".
It is fascinating, to say the least. He has setup on his site a few "pictographs"
to convey the concepts of the theory. here is the link:
http://standeyo.com/070711.Steve_Q-Files/HOT.html
The "hardcore math" has been written up and submitted for peer review at the
IEEE organization, and should be ready for release in about 10 days...
http://www.ieee.org/portal/site
If someone who is a member of the ieee, please watch for this release, it should
be interesting...
The Universe is a Symphony of Symmetry...
Dirt
Here is part one of the interview:
http://stevequayle.com/qf_july_11_2007.mp3
Dirt
Here is part two of the interview:
http://stevequayle.com/qf_july_12_2007.mp3
Dirt
Interesting; however I couldn't make it through the first interview as they kept attributing their definable and nameable little deity for the wonder of an INFINITE universe. It's difficult to take seriously people who accredit something so big, to something so very small. It's an archaic and superstitious desert-tribes mentality that by now, 2007, should be seen for its extreme foolishness.
j
Listening to part 2.
Some of these ideas do resonate, yet these people are "Believers" (and you get to hear the B) so assume science is anti-Christianity (!!!! - not here it isn't).
I've got to go into this whole religious aspect. It does not dominate the conversation or presentation - just the thinking.
I'm not saying "it's wrong" - just... as a European age 50+ years I have never met such people - widespread, consensual religious meme-fixation is rare here. It is just so not normal, thus is shocking!
Hm. European religion is pretty soft trying to make up for the bad times (the last big influx in my region were Hugenos, fleeing the flames, so we know their story. In their homeland they were being burnt alive by God fearing Christians; people who knew the Word, thus what was Right and Wrong - and keen to burn because it was Right (..God said so). But that was hundreds of years ago now. Yet... not isolated; easily hundreds of thousands died - likely into low 1,000,000s if the real crusades included).
To my ears people coming on with the Lord convey: " I am mad, want to spread my madness, and one day my kind will want to Crusade against whosoever we label 'non-Believers'." Likely chanting things no-one else has ever heard of and filled with Duty and Pride as they Smite - all because they are taught to believe a construct which robotically controls them.
// this is European experience, where olden day religion was measured in piles of corpses //
* Do not get me wrong * - the broadcast is by kind, considerate people but astonishing to my ears - it seems they have tuned-out the Enlightenment. Did it ever happen? Perhaps - not.
OK, the physics - mostly in part 2.
Some good ideas! The gravity idea sort of works, the magnetism one too (though I have seen more advanced presentations of such concepts). The whole thing is based on flows of aether and how these behave.
Don't think I buy all the gravity thing though - this says orbitals are of fixed distance from the body being orbited - no, satellites can go into any orbit - they are not forced into levels.
BUT Stan (the guy speaking) admits to being PART OF anti-grav black projects in the 1970's (something often cropping up elsewhere) - and he is describing things he suggests are operational (=UFOs). Then we get into charge-dissipation techniques (as used long ago by inter-dimensional travellers on the Tower of Babel) and did you ever notice how sparks were described shooting from Jesus's feet as he ascended?
It's worth a listen just to pick up on might-be ideas.
Your mileage may vary.
Steve
Well, to each his own, I,m just waiting to see what the peer review papers
has to say...
personally I don,t believe "Our ancestors" was a pool of protien soup struck by
lightning ???
IMHO
Dirt
Hmmm...
I can agree with some of the concepts but it brings to mind something my father kept telling me...
"There is a reason for everything
Everything has a reason
And when you don't understand - Whatever it is - is even more important.
Don't go inventing reasons. People get killed when that happens."
He was only talking about parts of a car. He was a simple blacksmith.
>>Edit
When I think about it - Faith is a really good thing. The source of your faith is something you must determine.
Faith may indeed be a choice given to us. After all, if I didn't have it statements or questions like the following would be a problem:
You have heard the sound of two hands clapping. What is the sound of one clapping?
-or-
Everything I say is a lie.
If our operating systems were WindBlows based we would require a reboot to keep moving.
I have faith that we weren't derived from a pool of slime. Hopefully it was something more spectacular.
It is my faith that keeps me from going insane when things happen that I don't understand.
I also have faith that I have the given ability to understand some of these things with effort.
I also understand that with any idea, belief or story, there is a basis of fact somewhere and sometimes hidden.
Hmm....
One can look at an old American Indian arrow head, in ones hand. You can see that it was made by intelligence and design, and had function and purpose. Simply a carved piece of flint.
But the same individual can look at the intricasies of Creation, with all of it's parts, from the universe and steller bodies, to the moon and Earth we reside upon. To every small microscopic part on the cellular level of we human beings (and all of creation, for that matter). And yet some see no design and no purpose. It is truly astounding, when the creatures sight is so fixated upon reflections of itself that it has lost sight of the Creator.
He is the author of life. He is light and is timeless. By Him all things consist and are held together. He is peace. If you doubt it...ask Him to reveal His truth to you. You may be surprised by the answer! ;)
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: btentzer on July 13, 2007, 09:31:02 PM
Hmm....
One can look at an old American Indian arrow head, in ones hand. You can see that it was made by intelligence and design, and had function and purpose. Simply a carved piece of flint.
But the same individual can look at the intricasies of Creation, with all of it's parts, from the universe and steller bodies, to the moon and Earth we reside upon. To every small microscopic part on the cellular level of we human beings (and all of creation, for that matter). And yet some see no design and no purpose. It is truly astounding, when the creatures sight is so fixated upon reflections of itself that it has lost sight of the Creator.
He is the author of life. He is light and is timeless. By Him all things consist and are held together. He is peace. If you doubt it...ask Him to reveal His truth to you. You may be surprised by the answer! ;)
Cheers,
Bruce
Dear Bruce,
I truly respect the heartfelt desire one may feel to give homage to a
Source greater than ourselves. What I question is the "wisdom" to so easily accept a thing, a deity, an entity, a mere circumscribable, definable and nameable fragment of the universe as that
Source. Just because our forefathers reduced the Divine down to an anthropomorphic deity, does not mean we have to.
Yes,
take a good long look at the intricacies of existence and see that the expression of life and universe is INFINITE; certainly its glorious Source must be
GREATER still, and not far less as -- for example -- the man-god found within the pages of the Bible is. What gullible fools are we to shrink the divine to such miserly thing?
I'm an atheist because I stopped belittling the Divine. I don't know what God is, but I know what it's not; and so I have no use for patriarchal tribal trinkets.
j
Quote from: JamesThomas on July 13, 2007, 10:54:32 PM
Dear Bruce,
I truly respect the heartfelt desire one may feel to give homage to a Source greater than ourselves. What I question is the "wisdom" to so easily accept a thing, a deity, an entity, a mere circumscribable, definable and nameable fragment of the universe as that Source. Just because our forefathers reduced the Divine down to an anthropomorphic deity, does not mean we have to.
Yes, take a good long look at the intricacies of existence and see that the expression of life and universe is INFINITE; certainly its glorious Source must be GREATER still, and not far less as -- for example -- the man-god found within the pages of the Bible is. What gullible fools are we to shrink the divine to such miserly thing?
I'm an atheist because I stopped belittling the Divine. I don't know what God is, but I know what it's not; and so I have no use for patriarchal tribal trinkets.
j
Hello James,
You speak of HIM as you would a power supply. "A source." Hmmm.... I think I would change the "a source" to "The SOURCE" and we will be hitting closer to home.
And the "Son of Man", "Son of God" is a far closer desciptor than "man-god". Okay, now that I can live with the terminology... Now let me expound on another simplistic fact. "Religion" of our "ancestors" is not what I point too. Mankind for thousands of years has attempted every means of "religion" in an attempt to build a bridge to God. Every attempt has and will fail. It is doomed to failure. From the moment Cain attempted to offer up a strange sacrifice, because of the pride in his heart, to the fanatacism we see today running rampant across the world today.
No, what I point towards is not the religions of men, but rather a relationship with the Creator of the Universe. And towards the bridge that he constructed of HIS own love and sacrifice. This was the main reason that the Son of God came to this Earth, but also to show the "reflection" of the character and nature of the Heavenly Father. God desired to show what a "personal" level he cared about, not just humanity, but the individual. You. Now, if the creation chooses to deny the Creator, he is not affected at all. For he changes not. But when we, through faith, acknowledge him, as supreme in our lives, "Over Unity" happens, and we receive more life than is "possible". Defining life, as peace, love, and joy. All of which is not "circumstance" based, but rather relationship based, thus it can never be lost. And freely it was gained.
Life and universe is "infinite" to our finite minds. I would advance the argument that you are thinking three dimensionally. When in fact, there is a FOURTH dimension, where time and space are quite different then what we conceptualize. This is why HE knows all things, even before they happen. He is timeless. His existance is seen everywhere, and yet, the greatest miracle I know is me. For once, I was you. And with out having met HIM, I still would be. I now have a living hope that stretches beyond imagination, and shudder at the remembrance of life without that hope.
Warm regards,
Bruce
Dear Bruce,
I'm not speaking about a "HIM" at all.
With all due respect, your continual referencing to the stories and terminology within the Bible, I have no use for; as significance and reality is not gleamed from a story book, but rather from the present moment of genuine existence.
It is on this basis that I no longer have a need to place the Divine into some definable little Biblical character that is somehow so small, limited and distant as to not be the foundational Reality of all life and existence here and now.
You're free to shrink our ultimate significance down to an entity that is only a fragment somewhere within the universe; whose sphere is so small that you can somehow join his special little club, as others remain outside. However, what I am referring to is what all phenomena exists within. That which unites everyone and everything, no matter what stupid and foolish beliefs we have or don't have about it.
This means I don't have a little "HIM" to keep me warm at night. It also means I don't need one. So please don't try and sell me yours (like the two guys within the original link for this thread tried to.)
Respectfully,
j
Quote from: JamesThomas on July 17, 2007, 03:52:09 PM
However, what I am referring to is what all phenomena exists within. That which unites everyone and everything,
May "The Force" be with you.
;)
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