When I started following SM forum about 3 or 4 months back I was ?happy as a puppy?. I thought this is it. This will change the world. And mostly I was happy because the majority of you, the inventors, had their head straight about tpu being an open source, public, unsuppressible. Thats the reason I thought this one will make it.
It makes me sad to see, that some of you have gone underground. I think this is a step in wrong direction. And I think if something is going to stop this technology from getting out there, then the decision to go underground has a good chance to be it.
That being said ? what puzzles me is that I KNOW you are not stupid and you probably know everything I said. So you must have some very good reasons for going underground. I cant imagine what these reasons might be, because the forum being overloaded with info is not a reason good enough to risk it.
Please someone tell me that its not because fo the trap of human ego. Because if it is, then I can just imagine big oil sitting back and laughing their asses off.
Whatever course you will follow I sincerely wish you all the best.
Toorik,
Perth, Australia
First of all TPU itself is not open sourced. No one knows how it works, or whether it works at all. The inventor has sealed his lips. What we have is a bunch of very smart hackers trying to find its secret by hit and trial. As far as I know, they are not underground, some of them have given up, some are still trying silently and some got so frustrated that they resorted to hoaxes and jokes (you know who ;))
Otto and Ronette have done a very good job and all their work is available here. Its not a complete success, but its open, nothing hidden. I can't say this about the gnosis forum, there are some hidden projects going on there, but I don't think they want to hide the results, its something else.
Quote from: toorik on August 15, 2007, 08:39:20 AM
When I started following SM forum about 3 or 4 months back I was ââ,¬Å"happy as a puppyââ,¬Â. I thought this is it. This will change the world. And mostly I was happy because the majority of you, the inventors, had their head straight about tpu being an open source, public, unsuppressible. Thats the reason I thought this one will make it.
It makes me sad to see, that some of you have gone underground. I think this is a step in wrong direction. And I think if something is going to stop this technology from getting out there, then the decision to go underground has a good chance to be it.
That being said ââ,¬â€œ what puzzles me is that I KNOW you are not stupid and you probably know everything I said. So you must have some very good reasons for going underground. I cant imagine what these reasons might be, because the forum being overloaded with info is not a reason good enough to risk it.
Please someone tell me that its not because fo the trap of human ego. Because if it is, then I can just imagine big oil sitting back and laughing their asses off.
Whatever course you will follow I sincerely wish you all the best.
Toorik,
Perth, Australia
Dont think of it as "Underground" Some have chosen different paths. The clutter in these forums have become un manageable and difficult to navigate. So teams of highly motovated guys have gathered in private to follow different roads togather. In this way they can move much faster. When a break through happens (And it will) many alredy have, as you can see going back a few months. This forum will come alive again with the post of their findings. Of this i'm sure The research hasnt stopped. it continues.
.M.
Quote from: toorik on August 15, 2007, 08:39:20 AM
When I started following SM forum about 3 or 4 months back I was ?happy as a puppy?. I thought this is it. This will change the world. And mostly I was happy because the majority of you, the inventors, had their head straight about tpu being an open source, public, unsuppressible. Thats the reason I thought this one will make it.
It makes me sad to see, that some of you have gone underground. I think this is a step in wrong direction. And I think if something is going to stop this technology from getting out there, then the decision to go underground has a good chance to be it.
That being said ? what puzzles me is that I KNOW you are not stupid and you probably know everything I said. So you must have some very good reasons for going underground. I cant imagine what these reasons might be, because the forum being overloaded with info is not a reason good enough to risk it.
Please someone tell me that its not because fo the trap of human ego. Because if it is, then I can just imagine big oil sitting back and laughing their asses off.
Whatever course you will follow I sincerely wish you all the best.
Toorik,
Perth, Australia
If you truly followed the TPU effort then you would know that some of the people that you think are "underground" - like GK, Eldarion, and Otto, post their work on the public forum for all to see. As usual, the "armchair researchers" want to half-read, and talk out the side of their asses - and this is why groups that want to get any damn work done have to remove themselves from the public soap opera.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 15, 2007, 10:29:46 AM
If you truly followed the TPU effort then you would know that some of the people that you think are "underground" - like GK, Eldarion, and Otto, post their work on the public forum for all to see. As usual, the "armchair researchers" want to half-read, and talk out the side of their asses - and this is why groups that want to get any damn work done have to remove themselves from the public soap opera.
maybe the forums are turned into soap opera because some people like to turn every thread into stupid arguing and insulting. Grumpy, what is your opinion about those people?
you all know somthing if you would have used tubes like steven said this would have been a verry easy game to play and finish he tells us all about it but no one does as he says un til people like me post lots of things then people start to think hummmm
so if i add to clutter too bad!!!!!
thease are my thoughts that i choose to share like i said this is not only the tpu here once understood many many diffrent devices can be made that do the same thing
@toorik
You started this rediculous thread with the misconception that people have gone "underground".
Hell, for all you know the TPU has been duplicated and there is some inherent "problem" with it, or those who know how it works don't want to share the knowledge because it is dangerous, or maybe they are irritated-half-to-damn-death by all the BS that people throw around on these forums.
It's (supposedly) summer!
Perhaps people are on vacation ;D
Edit: Atleast on the northern hemisphere.
Do you like mind games ?
Where lives the indian scientist Sen of the www.magneticpowerinc.com
ultra conductor technology ? Street name ?
Do you know panacea?s Hector Roto-/Transverter publications ?
How could be a compact roto-/transverter technology machine ?
Like this ?
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=DE2733719&F=0
Do you understand german,but not a need ,study at first the image !
S
dL
:o
have a look around im sure the real tpu is here ;)
of course it has been replecated but it is not to be in plain public view!!! so keep adding to the mess who knows what will come out of it
does a bomb rinng a bell to me it does ~~~ runaway~~~~ that is why it is not right there for all to see
Hello all,
I wanted to post this first on the German site but here Im.
@Stefan,
please, please, I dont want to be an elite because I dont deserve it!!!!
I also dont want to see the hidden site. I also dont want to post there because I think that all people are nice here and they all deserve to see what Im posting. I have my topic!!! Its a big mistake from you to built up such a hidden topic and to deside who is better then other people here.
The next time please, ask me first before you "hang" a lot of stars under my name.
So, please,please, Im an oridinary man in this group.
A little man from a little country.
Otto
Yeah well, this all started when persons like Bruce and William walked in.
Too bad indeed.
turbo
do it, stop it, the confusion
post it be the man!!!!
why just go and get the $$$$$$
@grumpy lol!!!!
that was good i still beleave that is where it started and that is where it will end!!!
money does funny things to people dosent it ? but so do egos!!! i know personaly mine grew too big at 1 point on this project then i realized i was in the wrong and i apoligized greed ego money all flows hand in hand!!
Yeah, -[marco]-, just freakin' post it!
Edit:
@I_S
He's not that greedy, or is he?
isn't this where it started?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg18738.html#msg18738
-[marco]- is not greedy:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg19831.html#msg19831
Quote from: otto on August 15, 2007, 11:50:41 AM
I think that all people are nice here and they all deserve to see what Im posting. I have my topic!!! Its a big mistake from you to built up such a hidden topic and to deside who is better then other people here.
my hat is off for you, Otto, in respect.
thank you!
Quote from: Grumpy on August 15, 2007, 02:28:35 PM
Yeah, -[marco]-, just freakin' post it!
Edit:
@I_S
He's not that greedy, or is he?
isn't this where it started?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg18738.html#msg18738
-[marco]- is not greedy:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg19831.html#msg19831
Hi indeed i'm not greedy, i don't care about the money.
That post was to stimulate Bruce and his "crew".
all i do care about is that we stop the oil burning machiene.
recently my experiments pointed out this cannot be done by building one tpu for each house and car and so on....
so when i said it was building a second unit, i wasn't talking about a tpu.
But William here posts many and reads little makes his conclusions posts some crap untill he goes to bed and when he wakes up posts some more crap untill he can go to bed again.
i bet he is posting his dreams about buying tubes and doing lots of tests....
M.
edit:
btw turbo or joker wichever you perfer i have some gear yes and when i do finally put it all togather i think i will only have a few tests to do to make the ring work ;) ;D
un like you my lost little friend
;D ;D ;D
and turbo i wil post more just to confuse you!!!!!!!!!!!!
i said i dont get rude but now i do
so mr wise guy where is your working tpu you seam to think you are a verry smart guY but i c you have spent prObaly 10 X the time i have with this projeCT and you in my opinoin have had much less results
so wise guy who is the fool? YOU ARE MY FRIEND IS THIS A CHALLANGE FOR YOU IS IT SOME KIND OF RACE
TURBO MARCO WHO EVER THE HELL YOU WHO CARES NEWAY?
YOU ARE THE JOKE JUST BUILD THE DAMM THING QUIT COMPLAINING
MR JOKER
OR IS THAT MR FAKER ? seams to me that you are quite possibaly verry confused so confused that you must complain about what i write a JOKE
you know what i hope this thred grows so big that you never crack it turbo
you seam to think you are so good
but where is you free opensource work for this world b4 you call people dumb read what they have done
just incase you dont know joker this im more than the tpu here
you know what turbo i waste no time 4 u you are just not worth it
hey a side note why would you not design that generator i did for you it is soo simple is it not but maybe just too complex 4 u
btw where are your thoughts mr siecence ~~~~~OH BUT TURBO HERE THINKS THIS DEVICE WILL BUILD ITSELF :P
WHY MUST YOU BE A DICK? MAYBE IT IS JUST YOUR WAY EH TURBO
AND NOW BECAUSE OF YOU MORE CLUTTER WE ALL NEED RIGHT SO JUST STOP CUZ I WONT I DO NOT STOP IF YOU DONT KNOW
now i have done things i did not want to do but it is done now so be it we grow ;)
I HOPE WHAT I WROTE DISTURBS YOU SO YOU STOP WITH THE BS MR BOSS YOU DO NOT AND WILL NOT OWN THIS SITE SO I C YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE COMPLAINING AND TURBO I THINK YOU NEED TO READ IT SEAMS TO ME THAT YOU HAVE NOT EVEN FOUND THE GAME YET MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ THE LOTR THRED AND CATCH UP WITH EVERYONE ELSE FOOL!!!!!
TURBO DO YOU NEED YOUR OWN THRED FOR COMPLAINTS I THINK IT WOULD FIND MUCH USE FROM YOU
@Marco
If an "energy provider" was in every home and every vehicle (a device that provided enough power to operate these things) then we would indeed be able to reduce our dependency on oil.
I am pretty sure you are able to make power to some degree, probably get a lot of heat and/or a few other effects that are not desirable and need to be worked out. Consider working with someone else about it and maybe a new perspective on the issues will help you to create a better device.
WELL FOR ALL OF YOU THAT ARE LOST OUT THER LOOK AROUND
there many pictures on this site of working rings i really dont think the coil or the ring is the problem here ;)
marriy the right ring to the right osc and there you have it put in some small componts so it flows the right dirrection sounds like a tpu to me
i pesonaly think there is only a few things to do to achive a working ring that is collect the re how might that be done i beleave it must be converted to kenetic engery first b4 we can use it soo make the kicks power the control coils turn the kick into a magnetic shock wave collect it with copper thease are conversion devices as sm says soo
they convert electrical to kenetic back to electrical that in my opinion is the conversion of the tpu just like the pm i posted last night
good day all
is
Quote from: otto on August 15, 2007, 11:50:41 AM
Hello all,
I wanted to post this first on the German site but here Im.
@Stefan,
please, please, I dont want to be an elite because I dont deserve it!!!!
I also dont want to see the hidden site. I also dont want to post there because I think that all people are nice here and they all deserve to see what Im posting. I have my topic!!! Its a big mistake from you to built up such a hidden topic and to deside who is better then other people here.
The next time please, ask me first before you "hang" a lot of stars under my name.
So, please,please, Im an oridinary man in this group.
A little man from a little country.
Otto
It takes a big man of true humility to say words like that, Otto.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 16, 2007, 10:41:36 AM
@Marco
If an "energy provider" was in every home and every vehicle (a device that provided enough power to operate these things) then we would indeed be able to reduce our dependency on oil.
I am pretty sure you are able to make power to some degree, probably get a lot of heat and/or a few other effects that are not desirable and need to be worked out. Consider working with someone else about it and maybe a new perspective on the issues will help you to create a better device.
Grumpy, what if these devices recieve energy which is being transmitted bu mankind elswhere?
then it would not stop the oil burning machine would it?
it would not be free energy, just like Steven mentiones it isn't.
Marco.
Quote from: otto on August 15, 2007, 11:50:41 AM
I also dont want to see the hidden site. I also dont want to post there because I think that all people are nice here and they all deserve to see what Im posting. I have my topic!!! Its a big mistake from you to built up such a hidden topic and to deside who is better then other people here.
So it would appear that some have indeed gone "underground". So much for the open forum concept. If this technology is sooo dangerous that it cannot be revealed here then how the hell will it ever be used? I guess only governments and power companys will be able to use this technology since it must remain TOP SECRET! The guys that have gone underground with this (I am sure they have good intentions) are acting exactly like the government when they take someones invention and suppress the technology in the name of freakin national security.
@Marco
It is a little-known fact that many common devices produce torsion waves (also termed tempic, spin, scalar, longitudinal, dominant, primal, potential, etc.). There also very strong fields associated with the earth, and other large masses in the universe.
So, if you are saying that the "source" is other devices then this may be the case, depending on how the reciever is arranged. It could also be that the some other source is in the universe and that the closer manmade sources effect device.
Consider if these sources were powered by these devices, then you are not using oil for any of them. Like powering a magnifying transmitter with a reciever.
Also, there are coil arrangements that do not generate external fields (measurable one that is) and are not effected by external fields unless these external fields are of a certain order. So, all of this ambiant electrical pollution does not effect them.
Even the "potentials" have rules they must follow. If not, then all of existence would collapse.
this site is not under ground is it? all of you must realize all is here all is in 1 thred to reproduce sm units to a tee
is see the game has not been played by most here what can i say dont think for 1 second that there are not sucuessful graduates amoung us of tpu school if you think there are not peple that have finished you are wrong
also at marco you are so wrong about me buddy marcos pm that was sent to me a few mins ago
come on over boy
youre a looser ,
i bet you do not have money, nor a wife, nor friends, nor a job, nor
you have nothing.
youre a looser.
ive said it from the beginning and i was right.
go away you don't belong here
i think the 1 that does not be long is you you rude coments imply that you need a break from this work
i have 2 kids a wife a house 2 companys and a big mony investor im my work but i will not take the easy way i will do it for my self i will not use some one else to better my life i will do by myself and in time i will have sucuess
sorry to blow your thinking out of the water mr brain but once agin you are wrong about me
so i still think im right about you i have seen your kind b4 and avoid them
as some wize peple say keep it cool and avoid the noise
if you dont like my thoughts by all means DONOT READ THEM i put my thoughts here for people other than just you
turbo
isteam!!
Yes i did call you a looser, but that was after you PM'd me this:
Quote from: innovation_station on August 16, 2007, 10:38:08 AM
:P :P :P
I HOPE YOU EAD WHAT I WROTE MAYBE READ IT AGIN FOOL CUZ I CHANGED IT
SMARTEN UP YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO IS WATCHING OUR EVERY MOVE BE POLITE NO NEED FOR YOUR RUDE WORDS DONT STOP AND I WONT I WILL RIP YOU APART ON THIS FOURM YOU WILL FEEL LIKE A PISS ANT WHEN IM DONE WITH YOU
SOOOOO WISE UP I HAVE NO HARD FELLINGS TO YOU BUT JUST STOP IT!!!!!!!
WILLIAM FILSINGER AND DAMM PROUD OF IT
now, i never used rude words nor have i been un-polite.
i just told the truth but i guess you can't handle the truth that's why you are so upset.
you do not want to hear it....
so i have nothing to add here exept dream on William ;)
M.
;D
you know what turbo with out dreamers like me you would not have what you do we are made to dream for reasons do you not think??
you speek as tho your ring works lol
is
you speak as if you are going to buy the needed equipment to take an important part in this research yet you buy shit.
the only thing you do is hit the reply button to post more crap.
Pherhaps because it's free!!
They should charge you a dollar each post and then this problem would be over ;)
M.
yes turbo you are right yet agin
lol
i bught the right tube as you did not and i would have bought more but they are just too hard to find at a close distance to me
so maybe you should go buy the right tube then run your mouth about the stuff i buy is wrong cuz how do you know what is right or wrong i have seen you not light a bulb yet other than the fake you tryed to pull off an att. grab eh turbo
if in deed you have finished than im sorry for what i have said untill you finish you have no right to cut other people here down you put your pants on the same way as everyone else does so why must you think you are a god?
you are no better then anyone else here stop acting like you are!!
edit :
turbo lol a funny guy you and i mean it im done with you be a kid it seams to be how you act at best!!!!!
btw iam a kid still im only 30 years old but my mind surly does not act as a kids would!!!
Here's to you Buddy
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
Quote from: innovation_station on August 16, 2007, 02:30:33 PM
you speek as tho your ring works lol
It did work. Don't believe that "MT powered it" stuff.
If the MT powered it, why did it get so hot and why would it need a battery for an oscillator?
Why is Marco still working with over-wraps that run the entire circumference rather than bunched segments?
Why is all that still on the forum and not deleted?
Hmm. Now where did he post the sequencer circuit?
Have your drinks too much PCB intus ?
Now,after SCRAPIE/BSE(mad-cow-syndrome) mental-toroids-researcher-disease ?
Do you all need more vacation or a time out ?
Or shall this be a new thread: There can only exist one WAR-LORD of the TPU ?
Are you selling author right for this soap ?It is really "kindisch" !
S
dL
;D
yes grumpy it is the right ring why do you think my focous was so strong with it some time ago
it is the ring
it has been confirmed
altho turbo did not build it correctly in his first atempt but tell him cuz he does not know it!!!!!
the biggest key to this hole project is ottos test you can build any way you want or shape it will act the same
look at the poast i put in magas if you think those wards are mine you are wrong the pm i posted tells much moe than you all thinkl!!!!
it tells it is a reactor why? beacuse the ring is the mag amp!!! the satureatable reactor the byproduct is an unexaustable fuel source plus electricty
herd of bomb gas? hummm powerful stuff eh turbo but i can tell you that there is only a hand ful of people that know it is a fuel cell as well
until yesterday when posted it humm pvc casing from the wires and all the other shit in the tpu breaking down make a useable fuel i will use to power my turbine and yes it will for sure be the fastest spinning thing on earth!!! i beleave right now it already is the fastest on earth
so you all see my foucous here it is much more than the tpu it is the fuel cell aswell
think as you all want but i will continue my quest for the simplest form of tpu
turbo throw the transmitter and reciever in the same unit!! perhaps you will get some where
isteam!!
Marco's sequencer using 3x 555's:
(was something like this, have not found his post yet)
http://www.play-hookey.com/digital/timer_555_sequencer.html
;)
ok you all if you want answers do this read gk's work read moab's work if you want more there many more just read
1 more think who is missing why have they not written any more why are they not still questioning why bcause
think about it
lol
ist
Quote from: Grumpy on August 16, 2007, 04:20:40 PM
Marco's sequencer using 3x 555's:
(was something like this, have not found his post yet)
http://www.play-hookey.com/digital/timer_555_sequencer.html
Hi Grumpy,
That sequencer was no good, it did not allow the second and third coil to fire harmonically related....it is usable with an add on...IE one at a time where it should be one-one two-two^5 times three-three^7 times etc..
NO...NO...USE TUBES!!
i also reply'd to your post about reducing our dependency on oil.
It got lost in the struggle, i guess.
Marco.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 16, 2007, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: innovation_station on August 16, 2007, 02:30:33 PM
you speek as tho your ring works lol
It did work. Don't believe that "MT powered it" stuff.
If the MT powered it, why did it get so hot and why would it need a battery for an oscillator?
Why is Marco still working with over-wraps that run the entire circumference rather than bunched segments?
Why is all that still on the forum and not deleted?
Hmm. Now where did he post the sequencer circuit?
What?
Could you please elaborate on the above questions?
Marco,
do you mean 1 pulse to the first coil, then 5 pulses to the second coil, then 7 pulses to the third coil?
or
base freq to first coil, 5th harmonic to second coil, and 7th harmonic to third coil?
or
something else entirely?
EDIT (for ZPE):
Turbo's ring did not use power from a magnifying transmitter. Somehow everyone thinks it did.
Well,
Marco has made dozen's of coils. If you are referring to the one that he demonstrated as "turbo", then I believe Marco should clear the air on this, although I thought he had done so already...and that was that it was powered via a MT type setup. It was the work of someone else doing similar work to Tesla.
If it was powered from the MT:
Why was it so hot?
Why the need for a battery (he stated it was for the oscillator) since the MT transfers power?
Why the need for an oscillator, when an MT reciever is a tuned circuit that will oscillate with the MT?
I could go on an on, but the point is that Marco had usable power coming out of that ring.
Now everyone can chase the proverbial golden goose or they can do something...
yea marco clear it up
you talk of my confusion well how about yours and all the time spent on your work and zero insight from you if it was a fake say so for real if it worked why did you not help the rest of us out here
i think right from the start it shows just how much of a man you are not!! your actions in the begining reflect our opininos of you at the end
so clear it up now so it can be figured out or put aside to make room for other thoughts and future progress
is
The work Marco replicated was that of Prof Meyl. Specifically, it was documentation from the "Experimenter kit for the transmission of electrical scalar waves".
I have no specific answers to your questions but I will say that IF Marco had something that exhibited overunity, why do you think he would still be doing TPU research?
The wireless transmission of power from A to B is not the same as achieving overunity. His power out was likely the same or less than his power in.
And why can't he have heat developing in either A or B?
yes but i beleave it was not a closed loop
so how could it ever be overunity
close the loop use the kickback to fire coils there you will have overunity!!!!!!
"overunity" is a metter of perspective and Marco never claimed that it was.
Marco lit a 100w bulb (220v ?) with a 9v battery. He said that the 9v battery was necessary for the oscillator and that the ring got very hot. You do not need the circuitry that he showed to recieve from a MT.
I recall at the time that it was initially posted that 10,000 Maniacs attacked "Turbo" claiming he faked it and a bunch a crap slinging ensued, then Harti identified Turbo as Marco, Marco got pissed, then their was the MT thing, more crap slinging, then the Sherlock Holmes story, yada yada.
Bottom line, Marco doesn't owe anyone $#!+
I think he has been working out several issues with this, such as the heat, interaction with other devices, and stuff like that. Some people want to understand things more fully before they share what they have found and this is quite normal. You seek to verify your assumptions and theories so that you are certain of your claims.
For those interested, there was a lot of initial detective work to attempt to determine the circuit used. This is all still posted on the Turbo thread. It was determined that the core was wound bifilar - as in folded over in the middle. Clockwise as I recall, but this may be wrong - see the thread. Might work better CCW.
Bifilar folded, CW direction: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg19041.html#msg19041
You can surmise that the circuit fires the windings sequentially. I suggest anyone replicating start with this and a re-read of the Turbo thread.
EDIT:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.0.html
I would guess it oscillates in the Khz range judging by the size of the caps. He could be switch the 9vdc across the mosfets as I do not see much that would increase the voltage, but don't think it would hurt to do so.
EDIT-2:
more disection and speculation - probably not correct circuit (as far as I know, Marco has never discussed the circuit)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg19343.html#msg19343
thank you grumpy
i made improvements to his coil it is the 1 i just reacently posted in the lotr thred i put 2 coils of steel wire on the pancake top and bottom b4 i wound over it with 2 copper wires and 1 steel wire this has been posted a wile ago aswell
now gk said those are the remifactions that top this entire project
it is the collector for out put in the tpu
i have said this a long time ago
this has been confirmed
i have a pm that states this
i have asked the writer of the pm if i could post it he has not replied but i said in the pm i sent that i will post regardless of his reply but i will not tell who it was that sent this msg
is
"What is overunity ?"
A good question,
cause overlooking the Tewari-machines I/II,
he ,Mr. Tewari,includes the heat to the total output for his claim of
"overunity " !
Physically right,but probably the electricity output not enough for a closed loop !
S
dL
Underground?
Not me. I needed to do something to pay the Oil Monarchy. I'm living out of a suitcase these past two weeks. Two days for rest and off across the pond to the UK then Belgium, France and after that maybe I'll lookup BrnBrade ;D
Stefan, I should be in Berlin by the end of the year - know any good topless bars? I hear the ones I knew went away when the curtain came down.
An OU device? Nope! A wave propagation problem. School book physics screwed something up that has been working for years - now I have to fix it. I'll get back to my toys when things calm down.
I imagine others are just plain tired. Hopefully some have something worth fine tuning!
Who cares if people want to be private about their work? It's their loss. They can take all the problems on themeselves then. I'm not looking to rely on anybody else, and neither should any of you. Understand the device by experimenting yourself, instead of following others. Then you will have an understanding that is ten times that than if you just blindly copy. Sorry that I got off track a little.
Hi
Washing the dirty plates... hmmm 8)
Quote from: Grumpy on August 16, 2007, 07:21:46 PM
"overunity" is a metter of perspective and Marco never claimed that it was.
I don't see how that statement can be true.
Either a system is overunity or it isn't. I think Marco knows the difference.
@Marco, would you mind chiming in here and clearing the air?
Albeit a bad decision, both on his and Dave's part to do these faked demonstrations, the intention was to foster inspiration in the group.
Don't waste your time with this unless you want to explore wireless power transmission. If Marco had something overunity, he probably would have said so by now.
Marco, where are you my friend? ::)
Hi Darren,
sorry but i keep running out of free electrons.
you see my laptop runs on free energy, but i cannot produce it in the amount i need to keep the system going 24/7, i am trying to fix this before winter comes otherwise i will be very cold.
it needs time to recharge.
Yes, i faked the demonstration.
it was a fake bulb, a fake current ,fake battery's, fake wires, fake circuit, all fake but most of all ,it was a fake Telsa Maginfying Transmitter!!!
So now you all know what i already said, but i need to keep repeating it.
Marco alias "The Faker"
Marco,
Play that card, if you must...
Marco,
I think you know I did not mean to offend.
If you had ou with your Meyl MT experiment, then great. I was just hoping you might clear the air once again for the benefit of everyone here....including myself if perhaps all along I have been under the wrong assumption about what you had there.
Cheers,
Darren
@BEP,
Nice to see you are still here. Your inputs are appreciated.
Regards,
Darren
Darren no offence,
The experiments i did in the o'l days were far from overunity..
in fact it did consume alot of power to make it to what it was.
Good luck on the tube experiment ,i hope you will see the kicks.
i had switched in a couple of 100k pots and some 30k solid resistors.
Marco.
8)
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 17, 2007, 01:05:42 PM
Darren no offence,
The experiments i did in the o'l days were far from overunity..
in fact it did consume alot of power to make it to what it was.
Good luck on the tube experiment ,i hope you will see the kicks.
i had switched in a couple of 100k pots and some 30k solid resistors.
Marco.
Thanks Marco.
I was sure you mentioned that you "smoothed out" the output, so I assumed you used a capacitor. Also, your output did not look rectified, so again I assumed there was some filtering being applied.
Please clarify so I can try to duplicate the kicks you had there. I want to be as accurate as possible to your setup.
Regards,
Darren
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 17, 2007, 01:05:42 PM
The experiments i did in the o'l days were far from overunity..
in fact it did consume alot of power to make it to what it was.
Marco.
@Grumpy
This settles it for me.
marco accept my apoligies
im sorry for being the way i was but we must all stay in our places for accomplishments to manifest
many have finished long time ago
i tryed your ring many ways and i got what i put into it back out of it a dubbel the voltage same amparage !!!!
the picture is in lotr you remember the ring im sure do it increaced in voltage from 12 to 24 volts so what happins when put 3 the same in a stack it would total 9 collector coils and and 9 control coils if 3 were pancakes and 6 were hemholts coils to set up the magnetic feilds i still think your ring is verry important here
agin marco you have no idea how bad i feel for saying all those words toward you
im trying my best here im sure some of my info is crap but far from all ;)
is
Quote from: z_p_e on August 17, 2007, 06:55:13 PM
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 17, 2007, 01:05:42 PM
Darren no offence,
The experiments i did in the o'l days were far from overunity..
in fact it did consume alot of power to make it to what it was.
Good luck on the tube experiment ,i hope you will see the kicks.
i had switched in a couple of 100k pots and some 30k solid resistors.
Marco.
Thanks Marco.
I was sure you mentioned that you "smoothed out" the output, so I assumed you used a capacitor. Also, your output did not look rectified, so again I assumed there was some filtering being applied.
Please clarify so I can try to duplicate the kicks you had there. I want to be as accurate as possible to your setup.
Regards,
Darren
Hi Darren,
This is simply explained,
The high voltage from the plate transformer is connected to the heater transformer.
but it is only connected to one end of the winding,therefore it is not a closed circuit.
That was a bit confusing to me and as i remember correctly i took a 100kpot in series with a 30k resistor in series between the high voltage output of the tube and the scope.
i was hoping to scale the voltage down and as you know at that point i was not familiar with the shunt circuit you pointed out to me.
Anyway ,the signal was too large to fit the screen of the scope so i decided to disconnect the ground wire.
Beautiful Kicks appeard and i remember thinking this was a bit of a new area to me because i am used to work with the ancient "closed loop"
Then i thought of Steven mentioning "what changes at what speed/frequency" and something told me this had to do with high voltage charging up only one terminal like in a car ignition coil.
So based on that i am currently replicating the high frequency flame discharge in a way described in an 1916 old book and that is always intresting and fun to play with.
such a discharge can as described only be produced by a quenched spark gap meaning many capacitor discharges per second compared to the normal type spark gap.
This lead me to a wire wrapped around another wire acting like it was a quenched spark gap itself, and it did produce a spark i have never seen before, like the spark of a low fequency high power transformer.
Marco.
Quote from: innovation_station on August 18, 2007, 02:24:52 PM
marco accept my apoligies
IS no need to appoligize , Sometimes it just get's me too.
I only want to see positive results ,but offcource that is impossible.
Let us continue working towards our goals and stay focussed on what is important.
Marco.
marco i so do agree
we are all brothers at benches here
i did find the magnet flame discharge osc im playing with verry intresting my flames are of good size with this and so are the kicks
tesla states the effect is much enhanced with magnets in his pattend for the quenched magnetic spark gap discharge thingie
i have tryed so many times to get my video uploaded but cannot
@stephen can you some how raise the up load limit to 5 or 10 megs?
it would be of great help if you could this should be seen bye all intrested it might be close to the simplest form of disruptive discharge controler for kicks
is
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 18, 2007, 02:57:18 PM
Hi Darren,
This is simply explained,
The high voltage from the plate transformer is connected to the heater transformer.
but it is only connected to one end of the winding,therefore it is not a closed circuit.
That was a bit confusing to me and as i remember correctly i took a 100kpot in series with a 30k resistor in series between the high voltage output of the tube and the scope.
i was hoping to scale the voltage down and as you know at that point i was not familiar with the shunt circuit you pointed out to me.
Anyway ,the signal was too large to fit the screen of the scope so i decided to disconnect the ground wire.
Beautiful Kicks appeard and i remember thinking this was a bit of a new area to me because i am used to work with the ancient "closed loop"
Marco.
Wow, Marco. Now I'm slightly confused. I think these were some details that may have been worth mentioning a lot earlier :D ???
The high voltage from the plate transformer is connected to the heater transformer.
Yes it is, through the tube rectifier, not directly.
but it is only connected to one end of the winding,therefore it is not a closed circuit.
The tube heater filament, which is also the cathode, is connected to both ends of the filament transformer secondary, so I do not see how this is true.
Anyway ,the signal was too large to fit the screen of the scope so i decided to disconnect the ground wire.
The fact that the signal was still too large makes perfect sense. Which ground wire did you disconnect...the scope ground lead?
If you were then measuring the output with an ungrounded scope, then what was the scope using as a reference? Is your scope battery operated or plugged into the grid?
Even if your scope was powered off the grid, you still would have no reference to your circuit because it is all isolated by the transformers. ?
Help me out please....I don't want to be confused about what you are doing.
Darren
Darren,
The circuit was fed by a truck battery.
The Scope was fed by a seperate car battery.
No Grid connection invloved.
Because i could not see the waveform on the scope, i disconnected the ground wire which normally was on the zero voltage line of the plate transformer.
The tube heater filament, which is also the cathode, is connected to both ends of the filament transformer secondary, so I do not see how this is true.
are you saying the 500VDC is coupled to the heater transformer?
I ask because i still do not completly understand how we can couple 500VDC on top of the 5VAC.
as i look at the drawing it seems as if the high voltage which is also the output, is connected to one end of the filament only.
Marco.
Marco,
I'm responding back in the tubes thread where this belongs ;)
Darren
ok all a page or so back i said i had a pm
and oh yes i do but here is the responce i got from the writer
"Which Pm? Some of the Pms ive sent had to do with a spific builder. And was only intended for the person i sent it to. Personally i wish people would stop messing with the ring. Its far more than people realise. "
and im now second thinkng of posting this pm for saftey reasons!!!! as that is the reason it is just not right there for all to see
turbos ring with my mods to it was used as the collector now it was used with steel and aluminum or other dissimilar metals to achive output
really i guess the writer of the pm has left it up to me if i want to post it or not and right now i think i will leave it for a bit we just are not ready for it yet ;) ;)
altho it does work
ist
"Stop messing with the ring"
Been hearing that since FreedomFuel was around - he mentioned a couple of deaths related to ring research - this was a year or more ago.
I agree that PM's are private.
Tesla showed that RE could be utilized, created, or merely collected from the environment. I recon it is just a matter of increasing our understanding of the world we live in.
If you are having "accidents" then "leaving it alone" is a damn good idea.
my friend i am sorry to post your words agin but i will leave it with your thoughts as they have really made me think i think it will help othes to do the same
Do as you wish. it appears as though i havnt a choice. But please do remove any reference to me. It is post like this that cause a blocking of information. Do you not realise that some are going into this with limited understanding. Knowledge is power William. power can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. Not all see things through the eyes the creator has given you. Please exersize the utmost of common sense when dealing with the open transfer of knowledge. And do try to understand they as in the PC heros as otto calls them are just not ready.
thank you for your words you know who you are
they have made me think
is
Those who are intent on using the TPU power for destructive purposes already have the knowledge. One day, on this and other forums all the pieces of the jigsaw will be in place and anyone will be able to build one for what ever purpose. I think it all started with a lump of rock. One could use it for cracking nuts and another for ....
Sometimes I wonder how far has humanity grown since that time.
AM
Quote from: AhuraMazda on August 19, 2007, 05:47:02 PM
Sometimes I wonder how far has humanity grown since that time.
Not very far at all...
;)
ok all when i recieved this pm it was around the time i was working on figuring out the tuning forks i spend a lot of time looking at the forks first of all if you are not formiliar of the forks you must start there im talking of the forks sauron posted in his avitar so long ago it seams now it is one of the least understud clues as i know it the hyroglyphics the forks dirrectly relate to the tpu and how overunity is achived
now the way i understood it back then was pluse 2 rings and make the center ringggggg the center ring is the turbo ring with aluminum wire or steel also the heatsinks are aluminum for the fets inside the ring is alumnimum the MAGNETIC SHADOW CASTING MATERIAL that steven speaks of?
going by last time and i dont know even why i would have any diffrent there is only 2 freqs and the 3rd is made on its own so to make the thierd on its own what must we do ? well i think we have to use a freq in the top that is half the freq required to make it ringgg and in the bottom the same but there should be a freq gap of 7 hz between the 2 freqs but after that i got lost because i did not have the tools now i have the tools and im still lost
is
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i will go fetch you the page i spoke of earlyer
i posted a blowen up of the forks on that page or the nex 1 i cant find my post now i must have deleted it
here is the link for gk's picture of the forks it took me a long time to figure out what the forks mean
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.960.html
is
Quote from: acerzw on August 20, 2007, 03:07:56 PM
@innovation
Hi,
I have looked for the forks in the avatar as mentioned and have been unable to find the post. Do you have a copy you can post or a link?
@the underground crews
If you guys are silent working and staying out of the forum because of the distraction and are going to post the details when you have done your thing then please let us all know, otherwise:
As an aside to all I am no good at electronics, I am prepared and eager to learn, however it would be nice to have a reliable diagram to work with and to be informed of the dangers that it has been implied you are protecting us from, or would it be better for some newbie like myself to inadvertently discover them by getting killed as some say has already happened to others.
No one is going into this totally blind, I and others expect there to be danger. One way or another this device will be replicated fully and the details made public, as this forum and SM have provided enough information to many people to assure this is so. Better that guys with knowledge of the danger post the information with appropriate warnings, than someone with knowledge of the dangers misuses it and claims ignorance. Once the dangers are posted any misuser cannot claim they did not know and could be rightly held accountable.
I thought this forum was about making the device available to everyone, so why is it necessary for you to force everyone else to re-invent the wheel, thats exactly what SM did when he sold out. Have you guys sold out also? Prove my faith in you is justified by cutting the protection BS and making the details available.
Or will the disillusionment continue on your whim?
<<< Sometimes the most telling noise is a deafening silence >>>
No one is "underground". We all got together over several cases of beer and decide to stop mucking up this forum with BS chatter so we could get some damn work done.
Make the details available? What details are those? We have no devices that produce "overunity". We make a little hydrogen, warm cups of coffee, light up the outhouse, stuff like that - but nothing like what you are talking about.
Dangers? Everything has dangers. Hell, lightning can strike your ass anytime it pleases. Taking a breath of air is dangerous in some cities. Damage, deaths, and such related to any work dicussed on this forum is all rumors and hear-say.
We're just a bunch of guys getting together at the bench to part a keg and light a smoke, so stop harassing us.
@ grumpy you just said it " lghting could strike your ass..... "
now just think about for a life time
what are the exact freqs of conversion hummmmmmm........
wanna a zap? i dont eather and the newbbies im sure do not it like you said only takes 1 time
we are dealing with lighting here touch it or even being close to it im sure is a bad thing so why make it right there is has been right there all along just have a look and it sounds like i found it but im still going over traveled ground serching but i know it is there
is
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Quote from: innovation_station on August 20, 2007, 06:20:19 PM
@ grumpy you just said it " lghting could strike your ass..... "
now just think about for a life time
what are the exact freqs of conversion hummmmmmm........
wanna a zap? i dont eather and the newbbies im sure do not it like you said only takes 1 time
we are dealing with lighting here touch it or even being close to it im sure is a bad thing so why make it right there is has been right there all along just have a look and it sounds like i found it but im still going over traveled ground serching but i know it is there
is
I_S, you sound as though you have ridden the lightning. No pun intended.
Anyway, Tesla apparently solved these problems. Perhaps we can too. I feel we must and this will not come to pass by keeping everything to ourselves, but who can we confide in? Who's got your back when the shite goes down?
It is intuitive that if similar designs produce the same anomoly, then perhaps it is these designs that are at fault. Kick back with a six pack and ask yourself "what the hell is going on?".
Quote from: acerzw on August 20, 2007, 06:38:29 PM
I guess we all want to feel more involved. Sad maybe, but very human.
Then get involved. Buy a scope. Spend night and weekends learning how to use it. Save that money you spend on lunch to buy wire or components. Eat fishheads and rice so you can buy that bitchin' signal generator. Spend your lunches at work searching for info online instead of hanging with friends (so you can use that fast internet connection), then take it home and study it after your family goes to bed. Get up at 2am so you can snipe that Ebay bid on probes and cables. Most of all, when you get an idea, try it out or at least as close to it as you can. See effects first hand and seek to understand what you see. It's a long road. I have just start to crawl along the path like lowly worm, inch by freakin' inch. I recall that SM said it took about 10 years. Many have been at it for longer than that. You start meeting people and you help each other out. The only way out of the Matrix is by building a way out.
gone
;)
Bad Karma to repeat things spoken (or written) in confidence.
@grumpy
I do not live in the 'Matrix', though I am no Neo, I am however concerned for those that do :)
Oh and yes I will buy a scope etc. and I do the rest, fish heads included. The 'Matrix' is a state of mind, read the PEAR website or the Kybalion then perhaps you can master the 'Matrix', its a whole other journey my friend!
@innovation
Thanks for the fork thing, most illuminating indeed.
and now for something completely different but not entirely unrelated...
Gracias.
We're just a bunch of guys getting together at the bench to part a keg and light a smoke, so stop harassing us.
@grumpy
Hey, cut and paste a neat trick, a tad on the repetitive side methinks
We're just a bunch of guys getting together at the bench to part a keg and light a smoke, so stop harassing us.
thank you
ist
We're just a bunch of guys getting together at the bench to part a keg and light a smoke, so stop harassing us.
That is the funny thing about it all...
@grumpy
Whatever dude
@grumpy
I see originality died a death.
As old Bruce would say 'Cat gotcha tongue'. Anyway's nice doing business with you Grumpy, hope that attitude upgrade firmware arrives soon. Keep dodging those bullets ;)
I am "Grumpy". That is what I do.
Nope. Nothing to hide. I just delight in allowing people's imaginations to run away.
We're just a bunch of guys getting together at the bench to part a keg and light a smoke, so stop harassing us.
Guess you guys are all talk and no action after all, see you Frodo ;)
Quote from: Grumpy on August 20, 2007, 06:42:59 PM
Anyway, Tesla apparently solved these problems.
No, Tesla did not solve this, in fact it destroyed his lab many times..
Then he decided to study it and study the factors that made it happen.
He generated Ball lightning which floated around for several seconds destroying anything which came on it's path.
The ball would just vanish taking down everything which was close to it.
He studied what maked it happen so he could take it in to account in his following experiments, if that is what you mean by he solved it.
But he never completly solved it because it many times destroyed his equipment and there are a few eye witness reports on this still available.
M.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 20, 2007, 07:00:27 PM
Quote from: acerzw on August 20, 2007, 06:38:29 PM
I guess we all want to feel more involved. Sad maybe, but very human.
Then get involved. Buy a scope. Spend night and weekends learning how to use it. Save that money you spend on lunch to buy wire or components. Eat fishheads and rice so you can buy that bitchin' signal generator. Spend your lunches at work searching for info online instead of hanging with friends (so you can use that fast internet connection), then take it home and study it after your family goes to bed. Get up at 2am so you can snipe that Ebay bid on probes and cables. Most of all, when you get an idea, try it out or at least as close to it as you can. See effects first hand and seek to understand what you see. It's a long road. I have just start to crawl along the path like lowly worm, inch by freakin' inch. I recall that SM said it took about 10 years. Many have been at it for longer than that. You start meeting people and you help each other out. The only way out of the Matrix is by building a way out.
Well said grumpy! thats how to do it! well exept for the fishheads and rice. I dont like rice. :-)
hello all may i sdjust a little test
this test is to find a way to collect the rf flame or the the re that is released to a spark gap at the right angle how can one collect it
i can produce rf or re easly but how may i collect it ?
a diode? a cap what this is the test im doing to day looking for a way to collect the re or rf also looking for a way to see if in fact the rf or re has any power to it or if it is just pretty colours
i will post a simple picture of a coil producing rf and re and maybe with some luck today i will find a way to collect it ;)
is
marco
tell me you were lucky enough to see the words i posted earlyer here if not pm me i will assemble a coppy for you
you my friend were involved in those words
is
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 21, 2007, 02:20:23 AM
Quote from: Grumpy on August 20, 2007, 06:42:59 PM
Anyway, Tesla apparently solved these problems.
No, Tesla did not solve this, in fact it destroyed his lab many times..
Then he decided to study it and study the factors that made it happen.
He generated Ball lightning which floated around for several seconds destroying anything which came on it's path.
The ball would just vanish taking down everything which was close to it.
He studied what maked it happen so he could take it in to account in his following experiments, if that is what you mean by he solved it.
But he never completly solved it because it many times destroyed his equipment and there are a few eye witness reports on this still available.
M.
Ever think that you might have missed something, or misinterpreted it?
ok all i have put to gather a simple coil for this test it is 300 turns 6 " of 22 ga then it is 600 turns over the ring of 22ga as well that is all in this coil then i add 12 v dc from mains to a magnet and i have a large rf flame and re zap the spark or burst of rf and re is about 3/8 " long and makes a verry lould noise i can feel the zaping when i hold the discharge wire in my hand
so now im producing radient engery it is now time to play and see if i can collect some of it i would post a pic but my cam is not here i will get it later on today then i will take a picture of it first i will try a diode from my magnet to my meter and see if it registors
is
Quote from: Moab on August 21, 2007, 07:11:18 AM
Quote from: Grumpy on August 20, 2007, 07:00:27 PM
Quote from: acerzw on August 20, 2007, 06:38:29 PM
I guess we all want to feel more involved. Sad maybe, but very human.
Then get involved. Buy a scope. Spend night and weekends learning how to use it. Save that money you spend on lunch to buy wire or components. Eat fishheads and rice so you can buy that bitchin' signal generator. Spend your lunches at work searching for info online instead of hanging with friends (so you can use that fast internet connection), then take it home and study it after your family goes to bed. Get up at 2am so you can snipe that Ebay bid on probes and cables. Most of all, when you get an idea, try it out or at least as close to it as you can. See effects first hand and seek to understand what you see. It's a long road. I have just start to crawl along the path like lowly worm, inch by freakin' inch. I recall that SM said it took about 10 years. Many have been at it for longer than that. You start meeting people and you help each other out. The only way out of the Matrix is by building a way out.
Well said grumpy! thats how to do it! well exept for the fishheads and rice. I dont like rice. :-)
How about sharing a nice bowl of grits with me then. Good for the soul and sticks to your ribs too. Top that with a nice cup of coffee, your set.
thaelin
Redeye gravy or sawmill?
Got some sage honey (the real stuff from a freiend of a friend that tends hives) tastes like Sorghum - great on biscuits.
well to make re is easy but to collect and use is tough i have had no luck so far with this alto i put a peice of alumnimum wire around the ring an when i put power to the alum wire it makes some kind of electro static cuppling to the ring i powered 1 wire to ring and 1 wire to alum wire weird
is
any ideas how to collect the re?
set a cup of gasoline next to it an see if it sets it off...
ROFLMAO....TIMFE's....
Sorry man, couldn't resist...
must be slow in the underground these days...
:P
the thread is now offically hyjacked. Looks like we can go anywhare from here. Gasoline,, heh, Dont that just burn yer a$$.
well i got my ring mag thing to run real well it will now run for minunits without stoping producing huge kicks the entire time but still no way to collect it the way im looking at this is that if i can produce i must be able to collect no matter the scale my scope is at its lowest my spikes are way off the scope and only positive spikes it is a noisie little thing and does not seam to get hot at all the magnet or the coil it has been running for 4 min stright and no heat but still all the kicks
is
gone to get my camra also i im live on msn if any one wants to see it msn is innovation.station@hotmail.com
Ok ok ok
Get some fireflies. Place in jar. RE will recharge the biochemical batteries in their asses.
so grumpy what might i do with this zapping mess i have here if not find a way to collect the zaps then what?
is
Quote from: Grumpy on August 21, 2007, 08:28:40 PM
Ok ok ok
Get some fireflies. Place in jar. RE will recharge the biochemical batteries in their asses.
@ Grump
maybe i will leave this mess alone and get back to the tubes but with out the right coil what good is the tube?
is
Quote from: Grumpy on August 21, 2007, 11:17:37 AM
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 21, 2007, 02:20:23 AM
Quote from: Grumpy on August 20, 2007, 06:42:59 PM
Anyway, Tesla apparently solved these problems.
No, Tesla did not solve this, in fact it destroyed his lab many times..
Then he decided to study it and study the factors that made it happen.
He generated Ball lightning which floated around for several seconds destroying anything which came on it's path.
The ball would just vanish taking down everything which was close to it.
He studied what maked it happen so he could take it in to account in his following experiments, if that is what you mean by he solved it.
But he never completly solved it because it many times destroyed his equipment and there are a few eye witness reports on this still available.
M.
Ever think that you might have missed something, or misinterpreted it?
Possably,
it is a bit "messy" latly ;D
But i can assure you these documents are good reads.
Marco
How about this: What is radiant energy? Not "how is it produced", but "what is it"?
is radient engery not our kickback when we turn off the source?
Quote from: Grumpy on August 22, 2007, 10:16:35 AM
How about this: What is radiant energy? Not "how is it produced", but "what is it"?
@ grumpy perhaps you can answer that? cuz i do not know and im finding myself being more and more lost in this quest for answers
agin it seams the more i read the less i know!!
That's not a hard question for me to awnser Grumpy..
It is an unidirectional negative energy flow which is a component of what we know today as electricity.
Marco.