Watched Mehmet's video (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOP2LD-IpI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOP2LD-IpI)) and read his website data... got me to thinking.
Could this be how the TPU works?
See diagram attached.
The diagrams says nothing really.
Can you explain in words?
Quote from: Omega_0 on August 19, 2007, 07:09:28 PM
The diagrams says nothing really.
Can you explain in words?
This drawing is in response to what he says in the video.
My question is does a TPU use "Back EMF" similar to what he discusses in this video from it's coils and then 'spread it out' over time...
In other words... delay each coil kick a few milliseconds and the combined 'kicks' from those coils then produce current.
FB
well it sure does fit with the cannon theory sm posted if the controls were each a cannon
IS
I have been reading that the TPU can get its power from either back emf or scalar wave interaction. Which one is it? To build a better TPU it depends on if we use coils that favor back emf or scalar waves. We are going to have to figure what the TPU uses.
When SM was talking about a cannon and saying how multiple shots of the cannon on the ball increases its speed. Well after reading about some research posted http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3068.0.html about a hungarian scientist who found out that when electromagnet waves combine (scalar wave included; assumed) they would square there power (quadrupled and not double).
I you look http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/index.htm that scalar have an intial peek (kick) followed by soliton (seeds). Relying on the scientific paper about wave combination when a kick hits a soliton seed its power is quadrupled. Since scalar waves were obscure and still are to a degree SM might of been thinking that the side effects of scalar waves like electrons acting like a gas moving at a super conductive speed. Tesla also had the type of electron gas on his Tesla coils (*burn*). Wow I just made that Tesla connection when I was writing this post another one for SCALAR WAVES being the source of power. The other phenomonoms like a the shaking of the toriod might just be scalar wave interacting with you hands. I have felt a viberating sensation when I hooked up my tesla coil primary to a bifilar type coil that produces scalar waves.
I will be righting new thread talking about how this TPU is a scalar technology
Stallman
ps. Try to prove me wrong. I want to see the flaws in my theory so I can resolve them or discard it if it doesn't even come close to working. I think I am right though.
Wow I just came up with a lot of connections
Would you be so kind as to explain what a 'scaler wave' is?
I know about 'kicks' and I know about coils and I know what waves are...
What kind of attributes make a wave 'scaler' or not.
Tkx
FB
YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT SCALAR WAVES ARE?
No problem. They are hard to research because Tesla was the man who discovered them and scientist didn't like him then or now. It took me a while to learn what they are. I am still discovering what they are. I have a good knowledge of them built up though. Look at my post near the bottom of this thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3068.0.html it will give you extra info. Another thing you should do is download the Peter Lindemann Movies use uttorent or you can buy him from his website.
Scalar waves are like sound waves of electron that travel faster than light. Tesla spark gap that drove his Tesla coils would spit out electrons that would sting Tesla face even through insulator shields. All metal objects in his lab would spark as if the were being electrified. Scalar wave are wave that are changed through frequency and power. I am not doing the best job explaining what they are but they are the key to the EV Gray circuit, Tesla Magnifying transmitter, Morays Radio active/ Radiant power generator, and many more.
I really think that the power is created by scalar waves merging and growing exponential.
Look at my previous post and do some research on scalar wave. I am horrible at explaining them and many websites especially the movie by Peter Lindemann gives you tons of basic info.
Stallman
Ps PM if you have any idea or post.
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Quote from: Nostradamus2 on August 20, 2007, 02:53:42 AM
Scalar waves :D It's a pseudoscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field_theory_(pseudoscience) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field_theory_(pseudoscience)).
There is not such thing. And TPU didn't use this in any way.
Since you are so sure it didn't use it, would you kindly explain what it DID use?
Tkx.
FB
@Nostradamus2
Wikipedia isn't really relable for science that most people don't know or get or like. Tesla work was almost 100 percent based on scalar waves. Scalar waves as he described many time acted like an incompressible gas that traveled faster than light. They are real. How do you think Tesla coils work. Do more research about them. Go to look at Tesla work. For someone intrested in OU devices your pretty closed minded for theories that apply to them.
Check out EV GRAY, and the Whimsurt machine. They all used scalar waves.
Stallman
Yeah Scalar is real, it can change things in "the matrix", whoever thought that an
aluminum bar, at room temp, can be made to quiver like jello
http://www.hutchisoneffectonline.com/
Be wary of these fields, you can alter the virtual particle flux in ways deemed
undesireable (VPF is a Tom Beardon term defining this REAL matrix we exist in)
This site contains a few points which should be noted http://bob-dratch.org/#Part1
Thats pretty scary stuff. Isn't the TPU supposed to use soliton waves too?
I have been steering people into to thinking that the TPU uses scalar waves. I think they do but I would feel better if BOB BOYCE would give some of his input. I have just read "All about phase" thread and read at what bob boyce was doing. He was talking about hitting pulses in phase. After reading the Hungarians scientist report about combining microwaves in perfect phase and getting OU. I believe that the TPU has a scalar component.
1. Fast rise times and fall times.
2. Scalar Waves (kicks) followed solitons (seeds).
3. What feels like vibration at 7.xx hz (scalar waves make your hands tingle)
The problem is that I haven't been able to test my thoughts. I will get access to a lab in a month or so. I will hopefully contribute a lot of test results to this group.
Hopefully this will help , if not confuse some moreÃ, :)
A distortion in the fabric of space, aether, or whatever we want to call empty space,Ã, is called a field.Ã, Ã,Â
Early on in the discovery of electrostatic/magnetic attractions, it was apparent that two objects exerted forces on each other AT A DISTANCE.
Well, they didn't like this concept of ACTION AT A DISTANCE, and this distortion, or field concept was proposed as more intuitive.
Now,Ã, There are two categories of fields.
1)Ã, VECTOR FIELDSÃ, Ã, Ã, (e.g.Ã, electric, magnetic, gavitic, flow, strain, stress,etc.)
2)Ã, SCALAR FIELDSÃ, Ã, (e.g. temperature)
What is the difference?
With vector fields, at any point in space we can assign a 1) VALUE or MAGNITUDE, and 2) a DIRECTION.
Scalar fields only have the first part, A VALUE.Ã, Ã, For example, Temperature in a room has only a value at a particular point, we can't say it has any direction,Ã, however, heat FLOW, is a VECTOR field, and at a particular point in the room heat flows in a particular DIRECTION.
Now, with pretty much any scalar field there can be associated a VECTOR field.Ã, Ã, Pressure distribution in a 3D space is a SCALR field, but variations of pressure can be expressed as the GRADIENT of that SCALAR field, and it's now becomes a VECTOR field, since, once again, a DIRECTION is now associated with it (this is called taking the GRADIENT of the scalar field).
Anyway,Ã, That's what the scientific comunity understands by scalar fields, it's not something bogus.
So, can there be scalar fields in electromagnetic theory?
Well, charge density is a scalar field,Ã, does charge (an electron) have a direction?Ã, No, so a charge distribution in a wire in space (charged air) is a scalar field.
Now, if there are fields, there must be waves.Ã, Ã, So can there be waves supported by VECTOR fields, yesÃ, EM waves,Ã,Â
Can there be SCALAR waves?Ã, well, yes and no, you need a SCALAR field alongside a VECTOR field.Ã, Ã,Â
For example: AUDIO waves are due to SCALAR pressure field distributions, and the VECTOR field of air flow due to that SCALAR field.Ã, They go hand in hand.Ã, So in a sense you do have a SCALAR wave that has moved, but we need to understand what's involved.
EM
I understand what you are saying (I think). It all depends on the perspective and what you are measuring.
The problem with scalar technology is that it is hard to find info on it. In a month I will be getting access to a lab where I will conduct many scalar and TPU tests. I will of course post the results.
Stallman
There are also scalar and vector potentials, which create the scalar and vector fields.
Might take a look at Mark's "spinor" waves thread.
spinor, axion, tempic, torsion, etc.
I have been looking at his thread for a while. I'm only 17 so I haven't had the chance yet to learn that type of mathematics. I will once I get into college. It is hard to find out about scalar technology because nobody really knows about it. Most of the people that do are in this forum. I have been starting to talk to Bob Boyce. He really seem to know what he is talking about. I hope I can get a communication going with him. Again I will state in a month I will get access to a lab so I can test scalar waves.
http://montalk.net/notes/potential-fields-primer
a good starter
good point Grumpy, I forgot to mention the POTENTIALs :)
Voltage potential is a SCALAR field, Magnetic potential a VECTOR field, and the field by my house just a field :)
EM
Quote from: Nostradamus2 on August 20, 2007, 02:53:42 AM
Scalar waves :D It's a pseudoscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field_theory_(pseudoscience) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field_theory_(pseudoscience)).
There is not such thing. And TPU didn't use this in any way.
Tesla called them dartlets. Try driving a TPU like the SM4 or SM6 or gk4 with a stun gun.
I have done it and seen it. Only the big ones hurt and the little ones don't photograph.
LOTR 1:1,2. Beyond the realm of what has been taught.
--giantkiller. Be careful whether testing or questioning.
Most wouldn't know a scalar wave if it bit them in the arse...
this link may explain in someway the TPU:
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32390/113/
So they are in the path of Tesla...
http://www.eetimes.eu/design/199903240
Here comes the answer demonstrated by MIT or the "STANDARD SCIENCE" to validate this technology therefore is no longer a pseudoscience or bad science to question about it. It is good to know how is done so far.
The other part that we are in search for is replace the emitter by all the "free" frequencies around us.
There's a way to tune the receiver or "to magnetically coupled resonance" to tap in multiple frequencies range that amplify the power at output.
@superwave
This is just conventional science playing catchup with Tesla's Ideas, they have been ignoring and suppressing it for so long, since it has been publicly demonstrated so much now they have to admit it exists and finally 'legitimise' it otherwise they will lose even more public creditability than they already have.
The same will have to happen eventually with water powered engines and all the other OU devices that exist. The public has an appetite for these things and is beginning to understand that conventional science is blinkered, it is losing credibility. A few sheep out there will believe it is new and MIT are very clever and that the public money that was spent on 'Discovering' it was well spent. But many will know it is a complete sham and they will lose even more credibility. Conventional science has lost its right to rule the roost. The internet gave science back to the people, true science will now forever be conducted by the people, and because of the internet and real time results posting it can no longer be suppressed efficiently.
We are now in the era of public 'guerrilla' science.
The conventional scientists will now mostly be playing catchup and a large part of their role will be verification after-the-fact of effects discovered by individuals and groups. The main projects left to conventional science will be the really big projects that are impractical without a government grant and too costly for an individual or organized group. However it is likely that many of these projects will be duplicated and surpassed by individuals in a simpler and more impressive way because they are not blinkered by a conventional scientific education.
Quod et domstrandum... and has been by MIT.
How about this...
Powering up your coil produces a current flowing in one direction. Powering down your coil produces a current flow in the opposite direction.
If the ring is tunned right you could save all your positive going kicks in one wave front and all your negative going kicks in another wave. Both currents flowing in the same conductor in opposite directions.
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;D
now how about that sure makes sence to me
is
sure proves why the phase invertor is required eh!! flip it and send it back through the same wire
One of the theories that I've been thinking about after watching the Mehmet's video (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOP2LD-IpI) is that 'kicks' may be coming from bouncing the magnetic wave energy of the coil off of the Earth's magnetic field.
Sort of like 'pushing' your finger into a bowl of water and after you pull your finger out the water snaps back up towards your finger and creates waves.
I don't know how one would prove or disprove this except to take the experiment into outer space but it is something that I've been thinking about lately.
The other thing that I've been thinking about is that when two wires are wrapped around a core and both ends are left free (not connected), the voltage at the resonant frequency of the wire pair increases dramatically (as is shown in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpEYlmsMmyw )
What if a circuit was built using a phase locked loop device that 'looks' at the resonant frequency of the wire pair and locks to whatever that frequency happens to be and keeps it at that frequency. That way it could 'track' whatever that frequency was and keep it optimum.
And what if those sum and difference frequencies of the multiple coils (similar to what is shown in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPwQ6AzBSko ) were sent to some diodes that siphoned off the 'kicks' to the output to produce usable power.
I'm wondering if resonance is really the key here. Both the resonance of the coil and wire combination and the resonance of the Earth's magnetic field.
Food for thought.
FB
@ForeverBliss
I think resonance is the key here all of the parts of the device need to be in resonance, its a bit like impedance matching, very important.
Acerzw
If a coil can have a capacitance between the turns them selfs then how do you figure the dimensions of the coil and know it's resonant frequency?
I would also think that it would be easier to start with a larger coil so it would be easier to reach the resonant frequency.
EMdevices,
a very nice and yet well-simplified overview of scalar and vector fields
thanks
Welcome to all the new guys!!
Please forgive some of our bikering, some of us have been on this for too long and built up some frustrations, you'll see :)
It would be nice to know fully how the TPU works, but it seems that even the inventor does not fully understand where the energy comes from, but he certainly has a ball park idea of what makes it tick, after all he designed it.
We have:
1) The videos (can see them at google, youtube, etc..)
2) Some correspondence from the inventor through Mannix, but be aware he does not disclose how it works, he can't, he tells us.
3) Our brains :)
EM
Quote from: Nostradamus2 on August 20, 2007, 02:53:42 AM
Scalar waves :D It's a pseudoscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field_theory_(pseudoscience) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field_theory_(pseudoscience)).
There is not such thing. And TPU didn't use this in any way.
Excuse me?
Scalar field is actually series of merging soliton waves, whilst in this state, they are what classical phsyics refers to as qunatum wave packets. As you may or may not know, this is one of the states of electormagnitic energy that classical phsyics allows to propgate by non subluminal means (FTL).
Next thing you will be calling Quantum Electron Tunnelling Psuedo Science just because you found some incorrect Wiki page that says so.
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Soliton on the Scott Russell Aqueduct on the Union Canal near Heriot-Watt University, 12 July 1995.
In that they where recreating the observations form the 19th Century .
Another type of everyday Solitons are also known as tsunami.
btw just for the record, there is no such thing as pseudo science, it's nothing more than corporate marketing spiel, There are however Probable and improbable theories/Conjecture.
Some of the explanations of Scalar wave are pretty obscure, however there is no avoiding one specific thing that has been verified over and over now in 100's of 1000's of successful experimen.
Scalar waves are capable of tunnelling through so called radio shielding and or Faraday cages.
A simple Caduceus/Scalar wave experiment.
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/
One which has been replicated in many formats over the years.
The is one thing that of the posters assuming this is back EMF. Although such action can create spikes.
Where is the missing mass?
Do the math, it does not add up.
Although the back EMF is important, the so called Scaler (Quantum Tunnelling) properties of the soliton waves are and excellent candidate for the main missing part.
If posters stick to Saying Solitons waves and QT. Then we wont have half wits associating what we are saying with the obscure writings of some of the more fringe elements of science who tend to lean to the less probable definition of things.
I really do hate the term pseudo science, as it is a sign of ignorance of the principles of scientific study to even use that term. Believe me I have run into it very often when TDM is concerned. Uninformed people reel it out when they finally realise they can't disprove it with classical physics, as you would have to re-write the laws to do so. Even then since a single TDM state is the sum of those laws, it instantly adapts to the new definition.
Anyway getting back on topic, why do so few people realise the back EMF is a soliton?
Fast moving Soliton
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Slow Moving Soliton
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Collision of Slow and Fast Solitons. In this instance, For the duration of the merge, the two solitons become quantum wave packets (The particles/waves that classical physics allows to propagate at faster than light velocities between a point A to point B, normally referred to as Quantum Tunnelling)
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What we are trying to isolate in the TPU's is the maximum uniform Structure for the propagation of the Solitions. If the coils are incorrectly located, wrong windings or even wrong frequency, This uniform structure will be lost and the Solitons will dissipate.
With the correct carrier frequency to contain the Solitons, they can be sustained in even the most irregular structure.
For those of you that ask why 3 or more coils/frequency inputs this may explain this for you.
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In this one, the sum of the waves creates a short duration, spiked soliton.
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See what happens to larger stationary one in the latter?
Two guassian waves travelling in opposite directions animation at the top the page on this URL is the same as opposite soliton collision.
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/superposition/superposition.html
When they waves merge they are subject to becoming a quantum wave packet, they then separate with the same energy as they entered with. If they merge at a velocity or with a force that exceeds the saturation point the energy in the subsequent seperated solitons will be greater than the input.
This is where we start to get into ultra high energy physics, in which currently the only usable explanation is TDM, as classical physics on it's own can only guess.
13thHourR,
I appreciate you bringing this "soliton" stuff up, but try not to over do it.Ã, We went over this before and people posted articles/pdfs etc..
They are pulses that occur on nonlinear transmission lines, and it's a fine balance between non-linearity and dispersion (different propagation speeds for different frequencies).
Now a sharp pulse will spread out and not retain it's sharpness while it travels in a dispersion media, why?Ã, Because a sharp pulse actualy contains a lot of frequencies (fourier series etc..)Ã, so if different frequencies start to lag behind the others (or the phase changes)Ã, the pulse looses its shape.Ã, But these soliton pulses don't so they are curious and studied, but note they do lose their energy and height, just not their shape, on a lossy line.
Anyway,Ã, this is all in signal space.Ã, In reality, signals propagate by a certain mechanism/physical field,etc..
EM fields propagate by tranverse EM waves in almost all cases, but can have a vector component logitudinaly (in direction of travel) in for example waveguides.Ã, Anyway, these are VECTOR fiels and not SCALAR fields, which can't propagate per say (I hope you've seen my other post somethwere in these threads)Ã,Â
Some say that if you apply a battery to a wire ( or a voltage) and remove it, the voltage will travel down the wire.Ã, That's absolutelyÃ, TRUE.Ã,Â
Now, Voltage is a scalar field, so we have a scalar wave, right?
Wrong,Ã, the waves are transverse vector waves (TEM on a two wire transmission line)
So, in the end, you do get a scalar field variation at the other end, but the mechanism that transmits the message in electromagnetics is a transverse vector wave phenomena.
But don't take my word for it, what does a EE know anyway?Ã, He's been brain washed !!Ã, Ha HaÃ, :D
EM